Nine Inch Nails

[Mabelobe]

ruiner solo is great

Indeed....but its a bit crazy playing it forwards....

[Orp's Capsule]

what you mean by forwards?

[Mabelobe]

Because trent has some crazy backwards masking on that solo, i dont know if it was recorded backwards and then played in reverse (making it forwards, but with very strange reverse picking sounds on each notes)...

If you listen for it you can hear it....

But it also sounds like he might have then gone back and layered it with the solo done normally forwards to add depth.....because it doesnt sound completely reversed all the time, nor does it sound completely forward.....crazy stuff....

[The_Shredder]

Awesome new information about With Teeth (including the album cover)

http://www.nin.com/access/index.html

http://www.nin.com/current/index.html

Looks as though another NIN album is on deck.

:eek: :chug:

[MxShredder]

Just to bring up the live shows again, I'm going to the Toronto show on monday may 9th, the one that sold out in 8 minutes or so :P. I haven't seen NIN before even though im a fan, what songs do you think will get played? Aside from the obvious such as hurt, eraser, closer, head like a hole, etc

[Txus]

I am looking forward to this album.

[misunderstood]

Just to bring up the live shows again, I'm going to the Toronto show on monday may 9th, the one that sold out in 8 minutes or so :P. I haven't seen NIN before even though im a fan, what songs do you think will get played? Aside from the obvious such as hurt, eraser, closer, head like a hole, etc


http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/viewtopic.php?p=294297#294297

Check out that site...they've posted reviews of the first date of the tour which was yesterday..and a setlist...looking good

[vashts80]

Holy ****. "With Teeth" sounds kinda like a mix of Hurt/Wish/The Fragile/SICNH IMO (from their first show on this tour)

THTF Live > THTF Studio

[magicaltrollII]

You went to a concert?
If so, how were the new songs? I'm not getting anything really from the NIN forums :( they just put how the show was.
And I'm really eager to know if this album is good or... yeah.

[vashts80]

Nah, I got a boot of it...haven't really listened to much of it though.

[magicaltrollII]

Nah, I got a boot of it...haven't really listened to much of it though.
/Whoah, how did you get it?
Not that I want it.
< < >>

^horrible shifty eyes.
But yeah, from what you've heard, is it good?

[vashts80]

I think he sounds better than ever. I like THTF and the self-titled track

[magicaltrollII]

Thats good to hear.
Anyone have ideas on the packaging for With Teeth? He said he was going to do something, good, but very different.
I have no clue...

[magicaltrollII]

So Kage, you were going to the record release whatever thing right? The one in Houston?

(disguised bump)

[Kage]

Just got back from the Houston CD release party... All I can say is....wow, just wow. With Teeth kicks so much ***, you guys have no idea.

Many many more details tommorow; right now it's 2:00 AM and I'm tired as hell.

[BlindWriting]

Dude, I'm literally squirming.

[Kage]

Just make sure I tell you about it tomorow. I won't go into it now...but this stuff is going to blow you away, like it did me.

All you skeptics that didn't like THTF, be prepared to be turned completely upside-down.

[nrvn55]

does it cost any money to get into?

[misunderstood]

^^^To get into what? The NIN listening parties? Well, they're all pretty much clubs so I guess it would be the regular venue price. Maybe some have that no cover charge before (whatever time). The one here in Austin is only charging $1 but if you want to pick up the cd that night it's $15.

[Kage]

^^^To get into what? The NIN listening parties? Well, they're all pretty much clubs so I guess it would be the regular venue price. Maybe some have that no cover charge before (whatever time). The one here in Austin is only charging $1 but if you want to pick up the cd that night it's $15.

You can't pick up the CD, you can only pre-order it.

And my show was completely free.

[misunderstood]

Actually, since the party thing is going to be held on May 2nd, just a day before the actual release, we'll be able to pick it up that night there so i had to pay $15 for it (got my ticket online already) plus, we're gonna see some other NIN rare stuff that night.
Anyway, Kage, how was the listening party in Houston?

[Kage]

Actually, since the party thing is going to be held on May 2nd, just a day before the actual release, we'll be able to pick it up that night there so i had to pay $15 for it (got my ticket online already) plus, we're gonna see some other NIN rare stuff that night.
Anyway, Kage, how was the listening party in Houston?

Ah, I see. At mine they had pre-orders, and you could get a free 7" Vinyl single if you pre-ordered it there.

I'm going to be honest...it was ****ing awesome. I'm working on a full review of it, so I can give some details, like I think Magicaltroll and Madey want.

[Mabelobe]

Hurry up with the review already....take forever with the order....

[dirtbox101]

i heard he went poppy with it, dissapointing since he ripped on marylan manson for doing that and trying to be like trent.

[Kage]

I stumbled across something that might interst you NIN fans.

I was pleasantly surprised to come across a few paintings that have obviously inspired a great deal of NIN aspects.

An American artist named Clyfford Still, who was a leading visionary in the art form of "Color fields." In other words, he would create vague landscapes using different colors and shades to form contrasts:

"His paintings are non-figurative, and largely concerned with juxtaposing different colours in a variety of formations. Still's arrangements are irregular. His jagged flashes of colour give the impression that one layer of colour has been "torn" off the painting, revealing the colors underneath. Another point of departure, Still uses a thick impasto [paints], causing subtle variety in shade across the painting."

When you visit the link below, you'll see exactly what the above paragraph is talking about. And you'll also see a great likeness to a lot of the artwork on The Downward Spiral, an absolutely awesome connection, seeing as how the above paragraph explains almost exactly what Reznor does so well, except instead of painting he does it with sounds to create soundscapes, which also have a visual aura about them. It highlights Reznor's beautiful juxtoposition of visual and audio mediums to gain the desired effect. The Still-inspired artwork of The Downward Spiral is a great visual representation of what Reznor's music accomplishes.

For a look at some of his greatest pieces:

http://www.clyffordstill.net/art/art.html

[Mabelobe]

And now the With Teeth review right?....................RIGHT?!?!

[BlindWriting]

For those who don't read the NIN Q&A's on the official website, here are some wise words from Trent Reznor, on the video for THTF:

"The video for 'The Hand That Feeds' is avaiable online. It was directed by Rob Sheridan and I think it kicks ***. I see a lot of you couldn't figure out if it was rehersal footage or a video or what. Mission accomplished. Who says what a 'music video' has to be? To me, the SAFEST thing I could do is follow in the footsteps of my peers and hire one of a handful of 'cool' directors who would want to come up with a 'clever' concept. I could pretty much guarantee a place on MTV and the director has another demo on his reel on his way to becoming a big, famous MOVIE director. Oh yeah, and I could pay a LOT for it, too. All of that seems dated and stupid to me. 'The Hand That Feeds' is a straight-ahead song that I felt didn't need a big bloated production to support it."
3/22/05.

Overall, I like what he had to say, and I'm glad he commented on the surge of music video directors taking on big, Hollywood blockbusters.

[magicaltrollII]

Ah, I see. At mine they had pre-orders, and you could get a free 7" Vinyl single if you pre-ordered it there.

I'm going to be honest...it was ****ing awesome. I'm working on a full review of it, so I can give some details, like I think Magicaltroll and Madey want.
Of course :D :D :D
...Come on man! haha, everyone in here is bugging you about posting the review, so I'm trying not to bug you TOO much about it... but enough to make you post it faster :lol:

[magicaltrollII]

And that art is pretty cool... I lvoe art like that, where it doesn't really have anything in it, just random shapes sorta.

[Magicaltroll]

I remember seeing another artist do that kind of stuff before, but it was a looong time ago... But I remember thinking it was awesome.

[jeffro]

Heres the video if you want it. Im still waiting for it to download, I havnt heard the new song yet.

http://lfd.streamos.com/interscope/nin/with_teeth/video/nin_the_hand_that_feeds_hi.mov

[Magicaltroll]

Thanks, but most of us in here have seen it :D

[Kage]

I'm REALLY sorry I haven't posted much on the release party. Do you guys mind some detailed information? I've been putting off writing it because I'm lazy and want to be able to describe it right, without spoilers (unless you don't mind a few minor spoilers)

[Kage]

Don't worry, it's hard to remember enough to include spoilers anyway. But I might mention moods of the songs, maybe? (Ie... this song is upbeat, downbeat, similar to (insert previous NIN song here).) If that's too far, then fine, I wont' go into much detail.

But I promise I'll do it tomorow, as for right now I have to get up early tommorow and I'm already staying up too late.

[Magicaltroll]

Hmm... I'm not sure how you could really post spoilers unless you described the song in full detail and everything, just give us a little taste of what each song is like :D

[Kage]

Let's just say, in my opinion, this album contains the best fast-paced song and the best slow-paced song NIN ever made. There are some competions for slow-paced (Hurt, Something I Can Never Have, And All That Could Have Been). But this was so different.

As for the fast-paced song (and I mean fast-paced, it was mindblowingly good and the best fast-paced NIN song ever, I think.

And my favorite song from the album is probably the one from which the teaser clip came from. That song was amazingly good...the teaser portrays somehwat the mood, but does the song nothing close to justice.

[Kage]

But if I get into this, I'll end up staying up all night :)

Which normally I wouldn't mind but I really do have to get up early tommorow morning.

'night everyone.

[misunderstood]

Hmm, they should make this the official NIN thread...what does it take to make a thread official?

[Magicaltroll]

Yes... That got rid of all my doubts for this album :D
Man, I really can't wait. But I don't think a mod will do it because I think I recall a few people wanting to make some thread into an official thread, but they said it was fine the way it was or something.

I might try to talk to Bartender about it, he's the only mod that I've ever really "talked" to on here.

[Six Foot Revolver]

It would be pretty cool but I don't think they will

[Kage]

I think they might have stopped creating new official threads. If we keep it going, though, it will be just as good.

[Six Foot Revolver]

There was a pretty big rage against the machine thread a bit back and they said no to turning that into an official. IMO they should turn the Judas Priest and Beatles threads into officials too.

[Kage]

I must express some distress I've experienced with Trent in the past weeks. His explanation for playing small venues on the tour (the first time out in years) is that they didn't know how big the demand was for NIN tickets.

Well, I call bullshit. They and everyone else knew damned well that NIN still has a massive fanbase. That is absolutely one of the most pretentious things I've ever heard.

[Magicaltroll]

Yeah, if they would of played the Thomas and Mack (I'm not sure why I put the name... :D) around my city then I would of definitely got tickets.
But since the venue was REALLY small, I didn't have a chance... They're playing at a bigger place, but tickets are 80$ and I think they're sold out anyway.

I was a day off :(

[Kage]

Let me start off by saying that my memory is pretty hazy of the album. I stupidly didn’t bring with me a track-list or anything to make mental notes about each song, and I was able to keep track for the first 5 or 6 songs, but after that I got distracted. I remember some specifics, but if I’m wrong about something, then it’s simply because I forgot. As a whole, the album was very cohesive, and had a great variety of songs. I’ll go over the highlights of the album, as I cannot remember every song anyway.

I got to Numbers (the club) around 8:00 and there was a fairly good-sized line. They said the doors would be opening at 9:00, but they actually started letting people in slowly at around 8:30 and I think I got in about 8:45. We perused around for about 15 minutes and found a really good seat (not an actual seat...it was just a place on the stage where bands normally play that was elevated and against the wall) (although the seat was good, the sound wasn’t great…way too much bass, but still good). And no alcohol for me, I’m underage, and I turned down all offers from drunk chicks. ;)

At around 9:00 they started playing NIN videos in order of release: Head Like A Hole, Down In It, Happiness In Slavery (which I was surprised about), Pinion, Wish, March Of The Pigs, Closer, Into The Void, and Star****ers Inc.

Then they did an NIN “history” which was basically clips from every music video (including Sin, Hurt, and We’re In This Together Now) and some live footage. Finally, at 10:00, the real event began.

The piano-tinged and odd All The Love In The World opened the album. That song was great and really got the mood for the album started. It was a weird song for NIN, but this album is really different than anything else he’s done. That was a great song.

People were starting to dance and get crazy on the floor. I stayed out of that scene for the most part, I was there to listen to the music and that’s it. Some assholes decided they would start up a mosh pit at a club, so at that point I just sat on the sidelines and enjoyed.

You Know What You Are was absolutely incredible. It’s a song with a very fast-paced tempo and cool drumbeat, and it was my favorite fast/heavy NIN song ever made. It was perfection, an adrenaline rush from beginning to end with awesome vocals.

The Collector, I don’t remember much about, but what I do remember is that it was a good song, but probably the weakest song on the album. I remember it didn’t have anything in particular that caught me ear and didn’t flow that well (which is a good thing, because every other song had something like that).

Next was The Hand That Feeds, which was AWESOME when it was played really loud like that. That song really got my adrenaline pumping It REALLY fit in well with the album. And if you’re afraid that the song is indicative of the album, it’s not. It’s the most straight-forward song on the CD, and most of the other songs keep that classic NIN style, but all of them are really original.

Love Is Not Enough was great. I can’t remember what it sounded like :upset:, except for the main line “Love is not enough,” with plenty of synth and guitar in the background. And the end breakdown was really cool synth work.

Everyday Is Exactly The Same had a big drum-sound and was a great song.

After that it sort of blended together. It flowed very nicely, and EVERY song had something great about it. It sounded different from any other NIN material yet, I assure you of that, and in a good way. It mixed very well together dark overtones and mellowness with a heavy edge.

And the biggest highlight of the album for me, It was either Beside You In Time or The Line Begins To Blur that the teaser trailer was taken from. It was nothing like the trailer. It was a huge buildup song that started with a sparse drumbeat and some quiet keys/guitars with some nice soft singing from Trent. It was dark song, that kept building up until the huge chord progression. LOVED that song.

Right Where It Belongs was a great closer, the softest song on the album and also one of the greatest.

Sunspots was a cool loud/soft song with piano and some great guitar work, another favorite. Some idiots were trying to mosh during it, but it didn’t exactly work out. There were some very mosh-able songs on the album, though.

At the end, there were huge applause. I loved it. I cannot wait until May 3rd.
Sorry about the lack of detail, I'm really stretching my memory here, and a lot of parts I was overtaken by the bass, but it's a good thing, as there will be more surprises when you hear the album. Don't download the bootlegs that have been surfacing, wait for the real thing. This album is amazing.

EDIT: Here are some pictures of the actual party. I'm in a few of them(# 33, I'm the one standing in the very background, and #13 I'm there sitting next to the red light), but in the background so you won't really be able to see me unless you're really looking hard.

http://www.bradgroux.com/photos/03.30.05/

[Magicaltroll]

YES!!! I LOVE YOU KAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*reads it*

[BlindWriting]

I seriously cannot wait for With Teeth now.

[Magicaltroll]

Neither can I...
I'm glad you posted that though Kage, because I was really nervous whether or not it would live up to the older stuff, but now I'm pretty sure it will :thumb:

[clearvision]

I just got the fragile, I went for the left side first...Wow this owns TDS, do you agree? I haven't got on to the second disk, but I'm impressed, less of the irritating noise in TDS more melodies and generally better music...

[Kage]

I just got the fragile, I went for the left side first...Wow this owns TDS, do you agree? I haven't got on to the second disk, but I'm impressed, less of the irritating noise in TDS more melodies and generally better music...

I love both, probably the Fragile slightly more, but I like each for different reasons. I'm glad you like The Fragile, though, I had a feeling that you would. You'll probably like Left better than Right, but Right is still amazing, just takes longer to get into.

[clearvision]

:lol: i was just about to comment on how the left owns the right, i think the right is more like TDS and that's why im a little off with it...If with teeth turns out like the left side of this beast i will be happy. Cheers for the reccomendation :thumb:

[Kage]

No worries, I think Right will come around for you. At first, I agreed that Left blew Right side out of the water, and I think that it is still the superior side and probably the single best disc NIN have ever released (with great competition, of course, not only from TDS but from Still (which I think would be to your liking)). But I think Left is the only disc that ever really hit me right off like that for NIN...the rest of the stuff had to grow on me, but once it did, it really did.

There's a lot of replay value, with so much going on in each song that you can always discover something new, which gives the material a good longevity. I still reccommend you give the other discs more of a chance to consume you. :thumb:

[deejuks2]

is the song "with teeth" a cover of the melvins' song of the same name? did they name an album after a cover song?

[Kage]

Short answer: No.

[misunderstood]

Has anyone heard "Home"? I was on some other board earlier and about two people said they'd found the song and that it was a pretty good one too. Anyway, i just finished watching the "And All That Could Have Been" dvd and dam n, i can't wait to see them in May.

[Magicaltroll]

No, I've only heard of "Home" recently...
Is it new or older and jsut never released or what?

[misunderstood]

It's a new song. It's going to be released only in Japan I think and will be included in the limited Hand That Feeds vinyl.

[Mabelobe]

Thanks for the CD review Kage...we are actually playing a show the day before the release on the 2nd, so we will be picking it up the next day hopefully...

[Werny]

Ruiner is my favourite NIN song.

I've been really getting into them tonight, he's definitely growing on me. Looking forward to With Teeth!

[Carn]

Nice album (p)review! I only have some bootleg recordings of a few songs and they are the more "rock" orientated onces, Im very happy to hear that the album is pretty dynamic overall

[misunderstood]

a while ago i was listening to Reznor host some UK radio show online and he was answering some interesting questions. When asked which one of his works he was most unsatisfied with he said "The Perfect Drug". Honestly, i guess i can say that is also one of my least favorite songs. Anyway, he played his favorite bands and that one song that is going to be on the "With Teeth" import, "Home". He also answered some stuff about his worse on-stage injuries, being banned from Nashville, and some other stuff. Here's the link if anyone is interested:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/rockshow/index.shtml

It was quite interesting to hear what Reznor likes. Just thought i'd put up a post about this.

[Magicaltroll]

Thanks :thumb:

[Kage]

There have been some leaks and some bootlegs made from live shows already. Go figure.

@misunderstood--Thanks for the link. As for Perfect Drug, I think that's a really cool song but I find it obvious that the usual time and meticulous dedication that Reznor normally puts into his songs is somehwhat lacking. The video for that is my favorite NIN video, though.

Carn, dynamics is the key word with this. You won't be dissapointed.

Less than a month for With Teeth

/pumps fist in air.

[misunderstood]

The only other song i've heard off of "With Teeth" besides "The Hand That Feeds" is "The Line Begins To Blur" (or is it "With Teeth"?)...not too sure. Anyway, they have it at this site: http://www.clickmusic.co.uk/Clickmusic_Web_Guide/Bands_and_Artists/N/Nine_Inch_Nails/

It's the only audio they have on there. I really didn't want to listen to it 'cause I want to be blown away at the listening party but I just couldn't help it. :upset:

Oh, and i agree with "The Perfect Drug" being a cool video...i actually like the video and the song...but just not one of my personal faves.

[Kage]

I've already been blown away at the listening party, and blown away I was. Trust me. But I'm still not downloading that song, so I can be blown away again on May 3rd. :)

Perfect Drug is good, but more of an experimental outlet I guess before The Fragile came out. Not an amazing song, but cool anyway.

[Carn]

@Madeyadams: I was referring to a concert bootleg, I have downloaded one and a few new songs were played ( With Teeth, the hand that feeds, love is not enough, you know what you are, home, the line begins to blur)

@Kage: Awesome..because I loved The Fragile because of the dynamics and layering

[Magicaltroll]

I downloaded a bootleg too :(
Actually my friend had it and told me, and I couldn't resist... But its great, it was the song With Teeth. It was great.

[Kage]

Late, but great album preview. :) Personally this is one of the album releases I'm most looking forward to this year, as I absolutely love The Downward Spiral and The Fragile, so if this combines their fast paced songs, with their slower, more relaxed ones better than they have done before, I really can't wait for it. Personally I think the first half ofThe Downward Spiral is my favourite collection of songs they've done so far, as the second half is a bit weaker, but that changes all the time.

Med, I didn't know you were an NIN fan. That's awesome. I think you'll really like this album, as a lot of it does somewhat reflect the first half of The Downward Spiral. Good things are in store.

[Magicaltroll]

Did anyone here go to a concert recently... or ever?
If recently, are the Dresden Dolls any good? If a long time ago, how awesome was it?

[Kage]

Dresden Dolls are really really weird, I've listened to their CD. One song will be dark, moody, the next will be upbeat and catchy. Overall, they're a pretty cool Alternative rock band.

[Carn]

I love them, I do have to say they are more suited for small club perfomances..excellent musicians tho, like already said, one of the more original things out there at this moment

[Magicaltroll]

Cool, I might check them out now. I've heard a few people that really don't like them so yeah, I wasn't sure whether or not to check them out.

[Kage]

It'd be worth it to check them out at least, they're pretty original.

[misunderstood]

I've got a couple of their songs and well, what can I say...they're quite different. I was listening to this song called "Coin Oriented Boy" (I think) and I was getting some weird looks from my roommate. Heh.

[Kage]

Heh...that's one of their wierdest songs. Isn't it Coin Operated Boy? Either way, it's a weird song.

[misunderstood]

Yeah, there we go..Operated...sorry about that. It is a rather strange song.

[corporalclegg]

Yeah, the Dresdon Dolls were kind of a wild card opener; I think they will set an odd mood for Nine Inch Nails.

[misunderstood]

missing pages?...i dont think so

[Six Foot Revolver]

Um... is this thread missing a few pages.. ?
What gave you this idea?

[evilmenhavenosongs]

Trent Reznor was in Kerrang the other week so I bought it and I'm really really really really really looking forward to this album. Really really. I would kill to see them live as well but they never come to Newcastle... :upset:

[Yppolitia]

I heard The Hand That Feeds and I thought it was amazing, I never heard much of thier stuff before.

[Six Foot Revolver]

I haven't heard The Hand That Feeds :upset:

[misunderstood]

Anyways.. I was looking on the NIN performance page today, and I noticed some dates have Saul Williams next to them. Anyone heard of this guy?

I've never heard of him or any of his stuff but I believe the ninhotline said he was some kinda of hip-hop poet or something...not sure. He's suppose to be a pretty good rapper..who knows. :confused:

I heard The Hand That Feeds and I thought it was amazing, I never heard much of thier stuff before.

Oh man, you have to get your hands on some more NIN stuff....I'd recommend picking up "The Downward Spiral", my personal favorite..but which ever one you decide to with first, will be just as good anyway.

I haven't heard The Hand That Feeds

You should head on over to www.nin.com ....you can listen to the song and watch the video on there so long as you have quicktime. I personally think the video is pretty good...I like videos where the band pretty much just jams out.. :thumb:

[12Rounds]

Leaked.

[Kage]

Leaked.

?
/////////////////////

Exciting news in the NIN camp:

"My plan right now is that I'm actively writing again and I would hope that by the end of this tour, in a year's time, there's another record ready to go. It feels that good to me. So, we'll see what happens."

That means we might be able to expect an album in less than 10 years. :naughty:. In all seriousness, it would be amazing if there was another album released in a year. Maybe he realizes that he'd better buckle down before age really catches up with him.

From what I've gathered, though, the next album will be centered on more mellow songs. That would definately be cool.

[clearvision]

Exciting news in the Nin camp - i have with teeth :)

[12Rounds]

As do I.

PM me for link if you want it.

[clearvision]

It's on torrentspy http://torrentspy.com

PM's don't work. I have had a listen, it is very good. More like TF(left) than TDS which is what i wanted :) .

[RNR]

I thought that The Hand that Feeds was boring and overall pretty average. Not their best work or even close to it.

[KrashTest]

Sexual leak!

[Magicaltroll]

Man... you shouldn't of told me about the leak!

Must... Resist...

But that new album news is VERY good to hear.

[TrainTakeMeHome]

Just downloaded the leak and started listening to it. Let's hope Trent won't let me down.

[Magicaltroll]

Is it good...?

[TrainTakeMeHome]

Wait wait.. ANOTHER song leaked?
The whole album leaked buddy.

www.TorrentSpy.com for those who use BitTorrent.

[Kage]

Man, **** leaks. Don't ruin it like that.

I'll be the first one at Best Buy on May 3rd.

[Magicaltroll]

Me too :D
I've just gotta resist for a little bit... until May 3rd :thumb:

[Kage]

It's not far off at all, and I have enough willpower to wait until then. I've heard it once, but the memory is vague enough that it will still be exciting when I buy it.

[TrainTakeMeHome]

Man, **** leaks. Don't ruin it like that.

I'll be the first one at Best Buy on May 3rd.
I'll be buying the album, but I want to listen to the music ASAP as long as the songs are all there, in order and completed. A little preview can be fun too. ;)

[Kage]

Yeah, but for me at least, there are few things that beat the excitment of going out and buying a release from one of your favorite artists, opening up the CD and having something fresh and surprising to listen to.

[Magicaltroll]

It's not far off at all, and I have enough willpower to wait until then. I've heard it once, but the memory is vague enough that it will still be exciting when I buy it.
Yeah, but its NIN man... haha
I can do it though.

[TrainTakeMeHome]

Well just to give you guys a heads up, even though the overwhelming opinion seems to be that the new CD sucks hard, I liked it quite a bit after my first listen.

[12Rounds]

I've waited 6 years. Its been long enough.

I already pre ordered THTF, WT, just bought TDS deluxe, and own all the halos so dont complain about not supporting him.


Its a spectacular cd, better than TDS in my opinion.

[Kage]

WHat are you on about? What overwhelming opinion? I've been the the CD release party and the album was amazing, in my opinion.

[12Rounds]

http://pirate.shu.edu/~fontanju/With_Teeth/

[Kage]

I've waited 6 years. Its been long enough.

I already pre ordered THTF, WT, just bought TDS deluxe, and own all the halos so dont complain about not supporting him.


Its a spectacular cd, better than TDS in my opinion.

When did I ever complain about people not supporting him? That doesn't really bother me, I was talking about the excitment of buying the CD on the first day it comes out and having something exciting and fresh to listen to. I guess some people just don't care about things like that. Sad, really.

[12Rounds]

I listened to it all at once, and found it very exciting.

[Kage]

Nevermind, you're just an idiot I guess.

[Magicaltroll]

Actual CD > Leaked mp3s
Yeah... I know I downloaded a leak of TLBTB, but I don't think I really wanna listen to the whole thing, it kinda kills the excitement knowing that I cheated :/

But if you guys wanna do it, go for it I guess. Just think about it a little bit before you do it...

[12Rounds]

When did I ever complain about people not supporting him?

You didn't. And i never directed that at you, dumbass.

[misunderstood]

Dam(n) those leaks. I'm just gonna wait because like Kage said I want something fresh and exciting to look forward to or listen to. I know if I listen to it now there won't be much excitment on May 3rd. Leaks just fu(kin' kill the excitement of the actual release.

[ToRidTheDisease]

Awesome, i'm downloading the album now.

[Kage]

Dam(n) those leaks. I'm just gonna wait because like Kage said I want something fresh and exciting to look forward to or listen to. I know if I listen to it now there won't be much excitment on May 3rd. Leaks just fu(kin' kill the excitement of the actual release.

123.

May third will be a great day for me.

[Magicaltroll]

May 3rd needs to get here sooner... Seriously.
But I'm glad everyone is saying its really good, because now I KNOW its good. Because with one person, you're not relaly sure if you'll like it, because everyone has different tastes...

[misunderstood]

May third will be a great day for me.

Yeah, it sure will ...Well, actually May 2nd just because I'll be picking it up the night before.. :naughty:

[TrainTakeMeHome]

WHat are you on about? What overwhelming opinion? I've been the the CD release party and the album was amazing, in my opinion.
So far every person I've spoken to abouy the leak and from what I've seen on forums, people keep bagging on the record, holding to be repetitive and lyrically inferior to Trent's other work.

[Kaden]

Is anyone gonna pre-order it from the website? I probably am. You preorder it and get the cd and a shirt.

Right now I'm leaving this thread because the longer I stay here, the less I'll be able to resist the urge to listen to the leak.

[ToRidTheDisease]

The leak is great, i'm putting it on my iPod as we speak.

[Magicaltroll]

The leak is great, i'm putting it on my iPod as we speak.
*covers ear.... eyes*
You're not helping man...
But its really that good? How do you think it stands to his other work?

[Kage]

Eh, the temptation to download the leak isn't too strong for me. It was at one point, but with the album release being so close, I know I can wait. That, and the fact that I've heard it once before.

[Magicaltroll]

I know... but its right there, and I know all I have to do is click it, and I can hear it...
I'll deal though.

[misunderstood]

So have you guys seen the NIN performance on some tv show called CD:UK? I know its only being broadcasted in the UK, obviously, but it's been around the net for a few days now. Anyway, I just saw it yesterday...not bad even though the crowd for some reason doesn't seem to be so excited about being there. Maybe it's just me. I don't know. They just seem rather calm.

[Prison Bound]

The full album was leaked as of today....

[Orp's Capsule]

nice, it leaked.
since im on 56k ill only download it if its in 128kbps format. its either that or im going to buy it - im prob going to buy it since it take a long time for someone to encode it to 128, if im lucky.

bring back 128

[Josh]

So have you guys seen the NIN performance on some tv show called CD:UK? I know its only being broadcasted in the UK, obviously, but it's been around the net for a few days now. Anyway, I just saw it yesterday...not bad even though the crowd for some reason doesn't seem to be so excited about being there. Maybe it's just me. I don't know. They just seem rather calm.
is it going to be on this weekend, or was it on last weekend?

[Kage]

The full album was leaked as of today....
Please, before you post at least read a few of the most recent pages. This isn't news at all.

I'm going to try and check out that video. Do they play any new songs?

[Magicaltroll]

Yeah, what songs do they play Misunderstood?

[misunderstood]

is it going to be on this weekend, or was it on last weekend?

I have no idea. I acutally don't live in the UK so I wouldn't know. They played the new single, The Hand That Feeds.

[Magicaltroll]

Oh, I thought you lived in the UK and thats how you knew about it.

[misunderstood]

Heh, no, I live in Texas. I found the video on some other board actually and i downloaded it.

[Nery_Loo]

well the son :wave: g "the hand that feeds" is pretty cool if its anything like the last albums it should be good,

[misunderstood]

http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2ICG87XF84DFD3VE7RTSGLT4EQ

Here's the video for you guys...I hope it works. If not, I'll try it again later 'cause right now I've got to get to class...

[Werny]

The video for The Hand That Feeds is on in a few minutes on TV in my fair country. I'm somewhat excited.

[LizardQueen85]

They are supposed to play the video on mtv2 but I have yet to see it on there.

[12Rounds]

They played THTF on cd uk. They werent really that spectacular, it was mixed terribly for NIN.

and lyrically inferior to Trent's other work.
Yeah cause reznor's lyrics are out of this world...

[Magicaltroll]

They played THTF on cd uk. They werent really that spectacular, it was mixed terribly for NIN.

Yeah cause reznor's lyrics are out of this world...
Was that sarcasm?

[Kaden]

Yeah cause reznor's lyrics are out of this world...
I like his lyrics quite a bit, sarcasmatron.

[Carn]

I couldnt resist downloading it; and I like it thusfar :)

[12Rounds]

Yes, it was sarcasm. He has some alright lyrics but for the most part, theyre not all that great. He's more respected for his music.

I am a big man
(yes I am)
and I have a big gun
got me a big old Dick and I
I like to have fun
held against your forehead
I'll make you suck it
maybe I'll put a hole in your head
you know, just for the **** of it
I can reduce you if I want
I can devour
I'm hard as ****ing steel, and I’ve got the power
I'm every inch a man, and I'll show you somehow
me and my ****ing gun
nothing can stop me now
shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot
I'm going to come all over you
me and my ****ing gun
me and my ****ing gun

Yeah those are stellar...

[misunderstood]

:rolleyes:


Do you even know what the hell he's talking about in this song...or what issue he may be addressing? I don't know but to me it seems like he was talking about the fact that some men feel "powerful" and/or gain self-confidence by letting everyone else know that they have a big "gun" or pen!s...it is an affirmation of their masculinity....and they do this because of the stereotypical idea that society has of men. It could be about his dear friend Tori Amos and the fact that she was unfortunately raped...He might be singing it from the rapists perspective... Or, as i've read before, he's simply making fun of gangster rapping and how alot of the time all they talk or rap about is their dicks and how easy it is to get women ....So, either way you look at it, those lyrics are just fine and well thought out...and were put into a certain "simple" way that obviously many people out there don't understand.

[Magicaltroll]

Man, how come everyone who trys to say NIN suck at lyrics, put THAT song up, I have never seen another song used as an example...
And that song plays a pretty big "role" in the whole album.

Read Kage's awesome review on The Downward Spiral, you'll get it :thumb:

[Gave_Up]

Aww man how can you say that song has bad lyrics, when I first got the Downward Spiral I didn't really like that song, but after a few more listens it's just like, woa cool song and comically good lyircs :thumb: Plus he written some amazin lyrics, something i can never have, so simple, yet so moving.

[ToRidTheDisease]

*covers ear.... eyes*
You're not helping man...
But its really that good? How do you think it stands to his other work?
It's great. It is not as good as some of his other work, but it's still excellent. The way the album flows together is perfect.

[Raider]

Nine Inch Nails - With Teeth

Okay...I've given it the old once through.

Do....
not....
like....
it.

Every song sounds exactly the same. Same tempos crawling in the 90's to 110's save for a couple tracks, same instrumentation, same treatments on all vocals and drum sounds, and worst of all in it's delivery...same pathetic stabs at doing hokey pop-enunciations on the vocals.

"WITH..AHHH-Teeth-AHHHH"

WTF?

The programming sounds really stripped down, and I know it was supposed to be like that, but in the finished product, it comes off sounding amateurish and rushed. Usually NIN albums present some new synth or weird distortion on the guitar that you've never heard before, usually they rewrite the manual for softsynths or hardware pieces, but here everything sounds like either a rehash of previous albums, or an unabashed ode to this crop of "retro" rock going around the last few years. I'm not sure if when Trent explained the simplified nature of this album that he was not really obfuscating the phrase "run out of ideas"

There were a couple of songs where I could almost envision some fat middle aged guy who hasn't gotten the point that he'll never be a rock star or that his lyrics are not deep clanging away on the karaoke mic.
Then there are others, of course led by the atrocious "The Hand That Feeds", where I almost wanted to synch up my hips in a giant swaying motion and chicken neck in a mockery of ****-rockist athemism at it's worst.

WILL YOU BITE? THE HAND? THAT FEEDS YOU?

seriously....it sounds like he's actually expecting you to answer the question.

Yeah Trent, my teeth are gnashing and my emo-cut locks are flailing in unison.
Feel that portamento preset!!!!
RAARRRGGH!!!
*slams mic down*

The only redeeming portion of this album IMO is the two song block of "The Line Begins to Blur" and "Beside You In Time" which sound like a much needed reach back to classic NIN song structure, and a strange departure into uber-compressed and laid back trance respectively...but all that is rendered moot when the closing track intrudes a few minutes later with it's mopey generalizations and gimicky crowd samples that seem plucked straight from the blueprints of a 1999 Hard House Anthem. If the writer of the ubiquitous, and ultimate song of self-pussification "Children", Robert Miles, got together for a leisurely evening of decor and gardening tips with Trent Reznor, this would be the result....and unfortunately.....must have been.

Sorry, but I'm not gonna cry just because you have a piano and some filtered vocals.

if I could give out lashings with a rattan cane to denote my displeasure with an album, you can bet Trent Reznors *** would hurt worse than a Singaporian vandal.

The final observation I gleaned from the 50 minutes I now believe I wasted listening to this "album" is this...

There is only one thing worse than someone who writes formulaic, overly accessible music...

someone who tries to and fails.

[Gave_Up]

woa thats quite some rant,i'm rather disturbed after reading that,yet you say you dont like the hand that feeds so **** knows what qaulity the rest of the songs are...and i doubt it can be that bad,its trent fukin reznor

[ToRidTheDisease]

Nine Inch Nails - With Teeth

Okay...I've given it the old once through.

Do....
not....
like....
it.

Every song sounds exactly the same. Same tempos crawling in the 90's to 110's save for a couple tracks, same instrumentation, same treatments on all vocals and drum sounds, and worst of all in it's delivery...same pathetic stabs at doing hokey pop-enunciations on the vocals.

"WITH..AHHH-Teeth-AHHHH"

WTF?

The programming sounds really stripped down, and I know it was supposed to be like that, but in the finished product, it comes off sounding amateurish and rushed. Usually NIN albums present some new synth or weird distortion on the guitar that you've never heard before, usually they rewrite the manual for softsynths or hardware pieces, but here everything sounds like either a rehash of previous albums, or an unabashed ode to this crop of "retro" rock going around the last few years. I'm not sure if when Trent explained the simplified nature of this album that he was not really obfuscating the phrase "run out of ideas"

There were a couple of songs where I could almost envision some fat middle aged guy who hasn't gotten the point that he'll never be a rock star or that his lyrics are not deep clanging away on the karaoke mic.
Then there are others, of course led by the atrocious "The Hand That Feeds", where I almost wanted to synch up my hips in a giant swaying motion and chicken neck in a mockery of ****-rockist athemism at it's worst.

WILL YOU BITE? THE HAND? THAT FEEDS YOU?

seriously....it sounds like he's actually expecting you to answer the question.

Yeah Trent, my teeth are gnashing and my emo-cut locks are flailing in unison.
Feel that portamento preset!!!!
RAARRRGGH!!!
*slams mic down*

The only redeeming portion of this album IMO is the two song block of "The Line Begins to Blur" and "Beside You In Time" which sound like a much needed reach back to classic NIN song structure, and a strange departure into uber-compressed and laid back trance respectively...but all that is rendered moot when the closing track intrudes a few minutes later with it's mopey generalizations and gimicky crowd samples that seem plucked straight from the blueprints of a 1999 Hard House Anthem. If the writer of the ubiquitous, and ultimate song of self-pussification "Children", Robert Miles, got together for a leisurely evening of decor and gardening tips with Trent Reznor, this would be the result....and unfortunately.....must have been.

Sorry, but I'm not gonna cry just because you have a piano and some filtered vocals.

if I could give out lashings with a rattan cane to denote my displeasure with an album, you can bet Trent Reznors *** would hurt worse than a Singaporian vandal.

The final observation I gleaned from the 50 minutes I now believe I wasted listening to this "album" is this...

There is only one thing worse than someone who writes formulaic, overly accessible music...

someone who tries to and fails.
Yeah, don't listen to this guys view on it.

[ToRidTheDisease]

Wasn't gonna.
Haha, banned.

[Gave_Up]

y banned :confused:

[Six Foot Revolver]

For making a thread about AH's horse **** wasn't it?

[ToRidTheDisease]

Hey shut up Josh. It was for a funny reason.
What reason?

[ToRidTheDisease]

Well, there's this joke in the community thread that the user AH has a horse c0ck. I made a thread in the Pit entitled, "ITT: We discuss AH's Horse C0ck." He reported me to the mods as a joke, and the mods took it seriously and I got a 2 week ban.
:lol: Nice. Anyway, on subject, do you have With Teeth?

[Six Foot Revolver]

I would definately rather wait than download it

[Raider]

Yeah, don't listen to this guys view on it.
Yeah, cause if my view doesn't coincide with yours, something's gotta be wrong here!

The album blows. Repetitive, completely uninspired, poorly mixed (by NIN standards), lyrically uncreative and completely cliché, it's the biggest musical dissapointment of the 2000's so far. Sure, it has a few catchy pop lines, but there is a serious lack of substance. Better luck next time Trent.

[ToRidTheDisease]

No. I want to restrain myself from downloading the leak.
It's so easy just to IM me and I could send it to you.

(evil, I know)

[ToRidTheDisease]

Yeah, cause if my view doesn't coincide with yours, something's gotta be wrong here!

The album blows. Repetitive, completely uninspired, poorly mixed (by NIN standards), lyrically uncreative and completely cliché, it's the biggest musical dissapointment of the 2000's so far. Sure, it has a few catchy pop lines, but there is a serious lack of substance. Better luck next time Trent.
You just don't get NIN I guess.

[Raider]

You just don't get NIN I guess.
Wrong. As someone who's been listening to NIN since Pretty Hate Machine, I've always had a lot of love for Nine Inch Nails. I own the 17 Halos and have always had a great amount of respect for Reznor. I'm not a fanboy though, there's nothing to "get" here, it's pure regurgitated, uninspired trash, save for a few fleeting moments.

[Raider]

Whatever you say, chief. I bet the album rules.Go ahead and blind yourself with forced optimism before you've even heard the music. If you convince yourself it's good, maybe you'll enjoy it regardless of the actual music, right?

[ToRidTheDisease]

Wrong. As someone who's been listening to NIN since Pretty Hate Machine, I've always had a lot of love for Nine Inch Nails. I own the 17 Halos and have always had a great amount of respect for Reznor. I'm not a fanboy though, there's nothing to "get" here, it's pure regurgitated, uninspired trash, save for a few fleeting moments.
Right..... The album is amazing though. Great lyrics, great music, it's just basically perfect.

[ToRidTheDisease]

Go ahead and blind yourself with forced optimism before you've even heard the music. If you convince yourself it's good, maybe you'll enjoy it regardless of the actual music, right?
Okay, seriously, shut up.

[ToRidTheDisease]

Whatever you say, chief. I bet the album rules.

Josh: No no.. Even though I download many albums.. I can't download this one. I would feel really bad.. because I've come this far without downloading it.. I must not. Do not tempt me, for I shall send my wrath of holy.. ..... um... NIN.... on.. you. ...
Alright, I won't tempt you anymore, but if for some reason you want to get it, just ask.

[Raider]

Well at least we know Trent isn't gonna be out in the cold this year, as long as there's still an army of fanboys running around to lean against.

[Elz`Guitar`]

I've got the album preordered and I've been listening to the leak for 2 days now. Not really sure what to make of it. I guess I was hoping for something fitting the calibur of TDS or The Fragile. There's some catchy lines in here and good moments, but that's not really what I listen to Nine Inch Nails for. There's about 3 songs that I enjoy, the rest seem a bit bland..

NIN is my second favorite band and I was really hoping that Trent would come through with another mind blowing offering of great music to listen to, love, analyze, and appreciate. The lyrics dont appeal to me as much as Trent's other offerings, and there's a lot of areas where the music is almost a chore to get through. I'm dissapointed but at least I'll get to see NIN live soon, and I'm pretty sure they're not losing any ground in that area.

[Gave_Up]

This bad press is scaring me,you guys are **** sukers for listenin to a leak and then getting people set for dissapointment before the albums out,fukers :upset:

[MxShredder]

May third will be a great day for me.

The new ryan adams cd comes out that day, and I'm also seeing ryan perform the same day, on top of the fact im getting the nin cd and i'll have something to look forward to when i see nin live the next week.

I win :)

[Magicaltroll]

Who's Ryan Adams?
And all this bad stuff about the CD... is... bad. Very very bad.

[MxShredder]

Who's Ryan Adams?
And all this bad stuff about the CD... is... bad. Very very bad.

seriously?

he's kind of an alt-country/rock/indie kind of guy, most of his stuff sounds 70s' ish. Not really anything to do with nin except his new cd comes out the same day and im seeing them both at the same place

[misunderstood]

I was just at the official NIN site and there's some file there for download (under the "current" section) that Trent thinks Mac users will find interesting....Wonder what it is...Anyone have a mac and willing to download?...Then of course, let us know what it is. :)

[TrainTakeMeHome]

Ok , I've been listening to the leak for a couple days as well now, and I've heard a lot of bad stuff abotu the record. I actually found it pretty **** good musically - (so far 5 songs that i really like, and the rest I'm sure will grow on me like every other NIN album). I also enjoy it when I'm stoned, which always is the real test of how good it is. ;)

[Kage]

Everyone who downloaded the leak can take their ****ing criticims out of this thread. I'm not interested in hearing this. When the album comes out, bash it all you want, but don't try to start ruining it for the rest of us.

There'll always be people that don't like it, of course, but we're not impressed by you people who are so ready to jump the gun and prepared to actually not like something from one of their "favorite" artists that they'll take the slightest weakness and blow it up.

Hint: Trent is NOT going to re-release TDS or TF, or Broken for that matter....get over it.

[12Rounds]

Haha I thought you meant rerelease the actual cds, and I was thinking WTF its already been released.

And if you want another TERRIBLE NIN song, deep.

The Mac file is THTF in Garageband so you can make your own remixes, theres already a few on ETS.

Do you even know what the hell he's talking about in this song...or what issue he may be addressing? I don't know but to me it seems like he was talking about the fact that some men feel "powerful" and/or gain self-confidence by letting everyone else know that they have a big "gun" or pen!s...it is an affirmation of their masculinity....and they do this because of the stereotypical idea that society has of men. It could be about his dear friend Tori Amos and the fact that she was unfortunately raped...He might be singing it from the rapists perspective... Or, as i've read before, he's simply making fun of gangster rapping and how alot of the time all they talk or rap about is their dicks and how easy it is to get women ....So, either way you look at it, those lyrics are just fine and well thought out...and were put into a certain "simple" way that obviously many people out there don't understand.

TDS was a ****ing concept album dumbass, get your facts straight.

[12Rounds]

Also, closer has bad lyrics.


I like the album, theres only two songs i really dont care for. Getting Smaller and Beside you in time.

[Magicaltroll]

Also, closer has bad lyrics.


I like the album, theres only two songs i really dont care for. Getting Smaller and Beside you in time.
Wow... I LOVE Closer's lyrics. They're one of my favorite on the album...




TDS was a ****ing concept album dumbass, get your facts straight.
I never thought of it as a concept album until I heard about it from Kage and some of the other people. Then everything made ALOT more sense.

[12Rounds]

Its hated by pretty well every serious NIN fan.

[Magicaltroll]

I'm actually pretty sure that a few people on here like Closer.

Why don't you like it?

[misunderstood]

TDS was a ****ing concept album dumbass, get your facts straight.

Fu(kin' relax, dude. I think everyone is entitled to interpret any d'amn song which ever way they want. Besides, part of that was taken from an interview:

".....The record was nearing completion. I had written those lyrics pretty quickly and I didn't know if I was going to use them or not. To me, Downward Spiral builds to a certain degree of madness, then it changes. That would be the last stage of delirium. So the original point of "Big Man With a Gun" was madness. But it was also making fun of the whole misogynistic, gangsta-rap bull****." --Trent R.

[Magicaltroll]

But it was also making fun of the whole misogynistic, gangsta-rap bull****." --Trent R.
OHHH BUUUURRRRNNN!!! OHHHHH AWW MAN!!! OMG!!!
jk, But yeah, I think anyone can interpret a song anyway they want to. A song can have more than one meaning.

[rising_power]

I got Pretty Hate Machine a while ago and think it's amazing. would anyone suggest what i should get next?

[12Rounds]

meh, we all know reznors a coke fiend, he was probably ripped out of his mind during that interview.

[12Rounds]

But it was also making fun of the whole misogynistic, gangsta-rap bull****."

And also I usually dont consider a song thats meant to mock people to be good lyrics.

[Magicaltroll]

Why don't you like Closer though?
(to 12 rounds or anyone that doesn't like that song)

[12Rounds]

Well I worded that bad, its not that I hate it, its that everybody likes it despite it being one of the lesser songs on the CD.

The only songs I probably truely hate are Star****ers Inc and Deep

[Magicaltroll]

Well I worded that bad, its not that I hate it, its that everybody likes it despite it being one of the lesser songs on the CD.

The only songs I probably truely hate are Star****ers Inc and Deep
I like Star****ers when its live on AATCHB, its pretty cool I think. But the CD version isn't that great to me.

[12Rounds]

It sohuldnt have been on TF imo, just didnt go with the CD, its good the first time, but after that I didnt care for it. The lyrics are predictable and it sounds like a manson song, maybe on purpose? who knows but reznor.

[12Rounds]

For closer id describe it as overplayed and overrated.

[Mabelobe]

For closer id describe it as overplayed and overrated.

You need to listen to ALL the layers of closer again..its hard to really get into it because it IS and has ALWAYS been overplayed...but if you take it for what it is and really listen to how many tracks are there and how everything works together it really is a masterpiece...

[Pale-Folklore]

well, about closer, i think its a good song, but not quite as good as some of the other stuff on TDS.

[Magicaltroll]

Man, I just love the lyrics on Closer though (not for the same reason as all the other non NIN fans like it though..if yuo know what I mean)
And the song itself is jsut great, I can't really describe why I like it so much... But I don't think it is my favorite song on TDS, I'd give that one to I Do Not Want This.

[Mabelobe]

I can see that. But people here have heard it before it was on the radio, so they maybe don't see it like that. Sure, it gets radio play, but that doesn't mean it's crappy.

Indeed. And the lyrics are amazing on it as well....

I do not want this was probably my LEAST favorite on TDS but now it is really growing on me, (after 10 years heh) i love the verse piano riff.

Ruiner is by far my favorite tho....simply amazing...but then there is Eraser....ahhhh i cant decide....

[misunderstood]

It's rather hard to pick one particular song off of TDS. I think every song has been my favorite at one point or another. Right now I'd have to go with The Becoming..or Ruiner. Grr. No, I can't pick.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I've always enjoyed March of the Pigs, it's so strange and it's meaning is very interesting. I believe it's about the Manson's followers. (the pigs)

At first, I thought it was a reference to Animal Farm.

[misunderstood]

^^ Thats very interesting. I had also heard somewhere that the song did have something to do with that (Manson's followers). But I also read this a couple days ago:

interviewer: can you tell me who the pigs are?

trent reznor: uhh, it kind of depends which song you're talking about. but, it could be anywhere from...well, for example in march of the pigs... i'm referring mainly to..anywhere from the media to people who i thought were friends that are around me to the kind of.... the issue i think i was addressing was the feeling we got when in america when we attain a certain level of success and it surprises us to see all the legions of people around you who start ****ing with you and um can't wait to see you fail, waiting for you to **** up, ripping you off, trying to use you...the fact that american media in the underground world, you're their darlings, to oops we accidentally start selling some records, and "we have to turn our backs on you" because we're not cool anymore because people know about us now.

interviewer: right, is that "take the skin and peel it back/doesn't it make you feel better," is that what that line's about?

trent reznor: right.


Either way...I like that song alot too.

[Kage]

Ruiner is my all time favorite song from TDS. At first it was my least favorite, but it grew on me so much and now it's my favorite. I think I've talked about why quite extensively further back in this thread.

And March of the Pigs does indeed seem to have some kind of reference point dealing with Animal Farm. It definately uses some of the same imagery to deliver a similar message.

I'm a VERY serious NIN fan and I love Closer. I don't know where (not sure who said it) got the idea that most serious NIN fans hate that song. Sure, it's overplayed but the end build up is insanely good. It showcases some of the best electronic work from Reznor yet. There are so many different layers and elements that come together there. Same goes for most of NIN songs, though.

[Magicaltroll]

I like March Of The Pigs alot also.
But my favorite song off of TDS for a long time was The Becoming.

[Kage]

"Downward Spiral builds to a certain degree of madness and then changes"
[In reference to Big Man With a Gun]

That's an interesting quote, because I had never read it before, but it's exactly what I've always talked about in my view of the concept of the album. I think there are two major shifts in the album...one after Closer and one after Big Man With A Gun.

[Kaden]

I love Closer, and I also love the lyrics. At first it seems like a mindless lust song, but then I realized it's actually more like a cynical dark love song. I love it.

[misunderstood]

I like Closer as well. I always thought it was actually one of those fan favorites. It's one of those songs that get an extremely loud reaction every time it's played at a show.

[Elz`Guitar`]

An update on my feelings of the new NIN record. I'm coming around to really like it. It appeals to me quite a bit now. After a few sessions and a lot of pot smoke later, I find myself having listened to it all weekend and it sure as hell has grown on me. I like 6 of the songs quite a bit now, and the others are still growing on me. I'm coming around to see what Trent was trying to do here. Still not sure if he made it but it does look like he came close.

[Magicaltroll]

See? I knew I wasn't the only one that loved Closer :cool:

[The_Shredder]

Closer in 5.1 > God.

[Magicaltroll]

Closer in 5.1 > God.
:lol:
Man, I have to get the re-released version of that album. But I can hardly listen to anything with the surround sound :( Because its in the living room and my mom freaks out when I listen to music out there...

[12Rounds]

It's spectacular in 5.1, cant wair for more of them to come out.

So "Only" is gonna be the next single, thoughts? I think its a spectacular song, but I dunno, it seems an odd choice.

[Kage]

Closer in 5.1 > God.
123.



Man, I have to get the re-released version of that album. But I can hardly listen to anything with the surround sound Because its in the living room and my mom freaks out when I listen to music out there...

Yes, you have to get it. It is definately worth the money, whether you get the Doubledisc or the Dualdisc. It's the same situation for me with the surround sound, actually, but my parents are gone a lot so I use it frequently. In fact, it's about midnight here and I'm blasting music on the surround sound because my parents are gone for the night. :thumb:

[Moses]

Which album has March of the Pigs on it? I like NIN but I don't have any albums. :upset:

[Magicaltroll]

Yes, you have to get it. It is definately worth the money, whether you get the Doubledisc or the Dualdisc. It's the same situation for me with the surround sound, actually, but my parents are gone a lot so I use it frequently. In fact, it's about midnight here and I'm blasting music on the surround sound because my parents are gone for the night. :thumb:
Nice :thumb: And I will be getting it. Probably the Surround sound one though, because I heard from somewhere that the one with extra unreleased songs on it wasn't that great.

Which album has March of the Pigs on it? I like NIN but I don't have any albums. :upset:
The Downward Spiral, if you contact me on aim, I can give you an album.
(aim sn is in my public profile)

[AIC/EAZY-E]

The Downwards Spiral.
If my parents were out for the night I'd be partyin on down..not on the computer. probably still be listening to NIN though.

[Kage]

Nah, man, I keep it clean. Besides, I'm only on the computer every once in awhile, doing other things in between.

[Magicaltroll]

The Downwards Spiral.
If my parents were out for the night I'd be partyin on down..not on the computer. probably still be listening to NIN though.
Man, I'm always on the comp pretty much. Because thats where all my music is :p And the fact that I don't really have a life because all my friends are into sports and stuff, so they're always out.

But if I'm not on the comp, then I'm reading or walking to places.

[AIC/EAZY-E]

True.I can't wait for With Teeth to come out in New Zealand.Should come out about a week after everywhere else...so I'm not looking in this thread for a week from May 5.I saw ...And All That Could've Been in a record store the other day for $44 bucks NZ should I have bought it?Does it come with Still aswell?Or is it only the DVD?

[BlindWriting]

But my favorite song off of TDS for a long time was The Becoming.
Same. Excellent song.
I believe I saw a Still-esque live studio version of it on an NIN site at one, and it was awesome.

[Magicaltroll]

True.I can't wait for With Teeth to come out in New Zealand.Should come out about a week after everywhere else...so I'm not looking in this thread for a week from May 5.I saw ...And All That Could've Been in a record store the other day for $44 bucks NZ should I have bought it?Does it come with Still aswell?Or is it only the DVD?
44$?!?!
Mine was only about 25 bucks (the DVD).

Same. Excellent song.
I believe I saw a Still-esque live studio version of it on an NIN site at one, and it was awesome.
Yeah, I love those performances on nin.com, especially Something I Can Never Have.

[Kage]

THe DVD doesn't come with Still. Still is no longer in print, you have to get it off Ebay, although Trent says he'd like to get it back in production.

[AIC/EAZY-E]

haha I'm not really into my sports either.I play rugby occasionally but besides that it's all about the music.As long as you keep working out and all that you don't really need to play sport seriously.My friends have come to respect me for my guitar playing mostly.And my pimpage.

[BlindWriting]

True.I can't wait for With Teeth to come out in New Zealand.Should come out about a week after everywhere else...so I'm not looking in this thread for a week from May 5.I saw ...And All That Could've Been in a record store the other day for $44 bucks NZ should I have bought it?Does it come with Still aswell?Or is it only the DVD?
I believe that AATCHB came out in three versions. The live DVD, the live CD, and the limited edition, now out of print live CD which included Still as a bonus disc.

[Kage]

Same. Excellent song.
I believe I saw a Still-esque live studio version of it on an NIN site at one, and it was awesome.

You did indeed, and that performance is ****ing amazing. After seeing that, my appreciation for the song grew so much. I love seeing it in its stripped down form.

[Magicaltroll]

haha I'm not really into my sports either.I play rugby occasionally but besides that it's all about the music.As long as you keep working out and all that you don't really need to play sport seriously.My friends have come to respect me for my guitar playing mostly.And my pimpage.
Me too :cool:
Haha, all I do all day is play my guitar, and listen to music.

[misunderstood]

I believe I saw a Still-esque live studio version of it on an NIN site at one, and it was awesome.

Yeah, I saw that too and it was awesome. I think they still have on yahoo.com under "videos"..They have quite a few videos. :thumb:

[12Rounds]

THe DVD doesn't come with Still. Still is no longer in print, you have to get it off Ebay, although Trent says he'd like to get it back in production.

Actually its still availiable. No pun inteneded.

[BlindWriting]

Actually its still availiable. No pun inteneded.
It's available on amazon.com as "used", meaning a few people put it up for sale before it "officially" went out of print. But I remember them being pretty expensive, and you could find cheaper on eBay.

[clearvision]

I have TDS, TF, Wt and Still... what next? Could you list which stuff i should get next...I don't know wether to get FDTS, Broken or PHM (i think thats all the albums/important releases trent has done)

[12Rounds]

http://www.objectmerch.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=144

Its availiable again.


I'd go with Broken, but it totally depends what youre into.

[Magicaltroll]

I have TDS, TF, Wt and Still... what next? Could you list which stuff i should get next...I don't know wether to get FDTS, Broken or PHM (i think thats all the albums/important releases trent has done)
I can send you all the NIN I have that you don't if you want, unless you like having CDs.
I like having CDs and everything, I'm just broke, so I can't get all the stuff I want.

[Kage]

I have TDS, TF, Wt and Still... what next? Could you list which stuff i should get next...I don't know wether to get FDTS, Broken or PHM (i think thats all the albums/important releases trent has done)

I think most NIN fans would say Broken next, but I definately like PHM over it by a mile. FDTS is worth checking out, although it's not exactly something a person who is not a heavy NIN fan should have, I don't think.

So basically my advice is to get PHM.

[12Rounds]

If you get broken get fixed to go with it, that ones ****ed, but its only like 8$.

[12Rounds]

PHM is an interesting CD, and its got some spectacular songs.

[iMatt]

Broken is more metal and guitars...very angry, very good EP

PHM is awesome, but maybe more 80's electronica than you're used to, still one of Trent's best though

Fixed is ****ed up, and only worth getting if you find it under $10. Trippy remixes of songs off Broken.

I agree with Kage on FDTS. It's one of the better remix halos, but not exactly aimed at the casual fan.

Final Thoughts: Get PHM...it has some of the best NIN songs on it. HLAH, Down in it, Sin, Terrible Lie, Kinda I Want To, etc.

[12Rounds]

Anyone pick up THTF today?

[clearvision]

I can send you all the NIN I have that you don't if you want, unless you like having CDs.
I like having CDs and everything, I'm just broke, so I can't get all the stuff I want.

yeah thanks again for still yesterday :) I downlaod most music, i only purcahse the CD if it's a classica and i want it in my collection (doesn't have a job) yeah I think i'll check out broken and PHM, I should be able to torrent them It was just that i could only find still as part of a halo 1-17 thing... and it was 1gb and i already have TF and TDS. Thanks guys :)

[vashts80]

I just got the leak of With Teeth about 2 hours ago. It ****ing owns. I will be buying this.

[Sun Ray™]

I had no idea that this thread existed

<3 NIN

[Magicaltroll]

<3 NIN
We feel the same way :)

Anyone know what that new file is on the nin website?
Says for macintosh users only...

[Magicaltroll]

Um I heard it was some recording of a garage band doing a cover of one of their songs. I really don't know how accurate that is, seeing as the person who told me doesn't have a mac. But it could be true.

P.S - I'm totally unbanned. ;)
Awesome :thumb:
Have you learned your lesson about posting threads about Antihereo's horse **** or whatever? :lol:

[Kage]

Actually, the Macintosh file is a version of The Hand That Feeds converted to Garageband format, which is a Mac program that allows multi-track instrumental and MIDI recording. Basically, it's a program to record music, and a pretty damed good one, considering the price/ease of use.

So basically, they allow you to mess around with the different tracks of that song and make your own remixes and even add your own parts.

[Magicaltroll]

Actually, the Macintosh file is a version of The Hand That Feeds converted to Garageband format, which is a Mac program that allows multi-track instrumental and MIDI recording. Basically, it's a program to record music, and a pretty damed good one, considering the price/ease of use.

So basically, they allow you to mess around with the different tracks of that song and make your own remixes and even add your own parts.
Man, that's pretty cool.

[Kage]

One week and six days until the release of With Teeth. I better start my pre-release binge of NIN material pretty soon.

Sucks, though, on the day the album is released I have a big test that will keep me on campus until 5 PM, and then at 6:30 I have to go to some stupid meeting. I'm either going to have skip school or just downright run to the store in between those two things.

[Magicaltroll]

One week and six days until the release of With Teeth. I better start my pre-release binge of NIN material pretty soon.

Sucks, though, on the day the album is released I have a big test that will keep me on campus until 5 PM, and then at 6:30 I have to go to some stupid meeting. I'm either going to have skip school or just downright run to the store in between those two things.
Man, that sucks. I'll probably just send my mom out with the money to buy it when I'm at school or something :p

[Magicaltroll]

Skip school. School is gh3y.

NIN = more important than school.
So true...

[misunderstood]

I also have a **** final exam on May 3rd which sucks because the night before instead of studying I'm going to be out at the "With Teeth release party". Kage, what school to you go to?

I know this has nothing to do with NIN but I'm just curious.

[jester589]

I cannot wait for this album!!! I've heard a lot of the leaks and they sound great. I really can't wait for Right Where it Belongs

[The_Shredder]

The reviews of this album have me really excited. Most describe it as an updated Pretty Hate Machine era NIN album.

I cannot wait for May 3rd. Especially because I get to see NIN the next day!

*high fives self*

[clearvision]

It is alot like PHM imo.

[vashts80]

I agree, it's more like PHM than TDS or TF.

[Six Foot Revolver]

May 3rd? It comes out on May 2nd in England :confused:. I thought it would be released in American first

[misunderstood]

Nah, we don't get releases until a day after the UK...Thats why Tuesdays are my favorite day of the week..heh.

[Kage]

It doesn't sound like PHM at all from when I heard it. Maybe I need to hear it a few more times, though.

@misunderstood I go to Clear Lake High School. It'll be a longshot that you've ever heard of it, though. :)

[clearvision]

Well it's easy on your ears. Lots of mellow-ish songs, not so much of your 'god is dead, no-one cares' type Nin... (now talks like he is well versed in Nin :cool: ) Thats why i think it can be compared to PHM, it's kind of pop-ish really, and PHM is considered pop-ish by many people.

[Gave_Up]

Yea the new album seems to have a really more pop directed influence, but hey, if he can make pop music good then fair ****s! And if anyone says, "The new albums **** cause its popular and mainstream" can they please kill themselves for my benefit? :D

[misunderstood]

@misunderstood I go to Clear Lake High School. It'll be a longshot that you've ever heard of it, though. :)


Heh, no haven't heard of it...For some reason I thought you were in college though.

[12Rounds]

None of you believed me when I said what the file was?

[Magicaltroll]

None of you believed me when I said what the file was?
I don't recall you saying what it was... sorry :D

[Kage]

Well it's easy on your ears. Lots of mellow-ish songs, not so much of your 'god is dead, no-one cares' type Nin... (now talks like he is well versed in Nin :cool: ) Thats why i think it can be compared to PHM, it's kind of pop-ish really, and PHM is considered pop-ish by many people.

Yeah, I can see that, but when I listened to it I didn't get a PHM vibe or feel or anything like that at all.

We shall see come May 3rd, though.

[heavy metal kid]

Did you know Reznor is putting the parts of the hand that feeds to the public so they can modify the song.