"Screamo"

[XemoXmoshXpitX]

Okay, I understand many bands with the same type of music and vocals as Circle Takes the Square and Pg. 99 are labeled screamo. They are fairly chaotic with angry-sounding screaming vocals and thrash-around type music that occasionally has a weird touch to it throughout the songs.

But I have come across something....

Bands such as Emery and a few others have been labeled on Windows Media Guide as post-hardcore as well as "screamo." The Windows Media Guide says Emery has "emotional and melodic sensitivity contrasting with the screaming vocals one associates with hardcore and metalcore." If this is true, could we also label bands such as Thursday, Senses Fail, and Matchbook Romance under the screamo category, due to their occasional back-up vocal screaming? Or are they just referring to lead vocals here?

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

could we also label bands such as Thursday, Senses Fail, and Matchbook Romance under the screamo category, due to their occasional back-up vocal screaming?
No.

I can't answer anything else because I have no idea what Emery sound like.

[BridgeToSolace]

You can't trust most media to give you accurate descriptions of bands. Especially Windows.

The "screamo" label is commonly misinterpreted and miss-used. When someone was calling Circle Takes The Square and Pg. 99 screamo, it's because they know what they are talking about.

When someone calls Emery, Thursday, Senses Fail, and (especially) Matchbook Romance screamo, it's a sign of ignorance and not knowing what the hell you're talking about.

It's an understandable mistake. Screamo is a fairly unknown genre, and since everyone starting calling every pop-punk band that screamed a screamo band, the confusion has only increased.

Screamo is screaming. All of it. Punctuated by maybe the occasional sung, yelled, or spoken vocals.

[DFelon204409]

*tags in*

emomoshpits with all them x's. It's not just the screaming that makes an emo/screamo band. Emo/screamo bands have distinctive sounds. On some songs, Daryl Palumbo of Glassjaw, employs screamo vocal tendencies like at the crescendo of "Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Silence" but their songs are fairly clearly not screamo. Bands like Thursday, Senses Fail, and whatever poopy bands you want to throw at me are not going to be screamo because even if their vocals were balls out screaming the whole time (which is necessary for screamo), their songs would not feature grind-like chaos with some clean tone guitar and crazy song structure.

[DeathHawk]

I consider screamo to be emo mixed with grind type song structure.

Neil Perry!

[DFelon204409]

I consider screamo to be emo mixed with grind type song structure.

Neil Perry!

Then explain Circle Takes the Square. THey have more epic and grandiose song structure than most straight emo bands.

[DeathHawk]

Ha, torn actually goes around saying CTTS isn't traditional screamo and they should be looked at from a different view.

[DeathHawk]

And I agree with him.

[to_hell_we_ride]

If this is true, could we also label bands such as Thursday, Senses Fail, and Matchbook Romance under the screamo category, due to their occasional back-up vocal screaming? Or are they just referring to lead vocals here?

If we did that, then bands like Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance would be screamo...and they're not..at all. Lead vocals would be the focus because there's a bunch of bands in almost every genre that screams in the background, and they obviously don't apply to "screamo" at all.

[tornpictures]

Then explain Circle Takes the Square. THey have more epic and grandiose song structure than most straight emo bands.

Uhh, no.
That's not true.

[young, loud and andrew]

Fall Out Boy

FOB is one of my favorite bands EVER.

[DFelon204409]

Uhh, no.
That's not true.

Umm, yes. "A Crater to Cough In" is huger than any other emo song I can think of.

[tornpictures]

Have you heard September?

Guess not.

[Rockafella]

My friend says Dillinger Escape Plan is a screamo band but I think it's a grind-core band.
Could you help me clear this up? :confused:

[DFelon204409]

Have you heard September?

Guess not.

How about we alleviate that. When I'm back from lunch I'll IM you.

[k1ckthecat]

FOB is one of my favorite bands EVER.

post whore, that has nothing to do with the thread

[tornpictures]

Anyway, Circle Takes The Square have way more influences than just 'emo' or whatever.

Orchid, Neil Perry, Usurp Synapse, Jerome's Dream, those are all the real screamo bands to me.
It feels like that period is sort of over.

[DFelon204409]

Anyway, Circle Takes The Square have way more influences than just 'emo' or whatever.

Orchid, Neil Perry, Usurp Synapse, Jerome's Dream, those are all the real screamo bands to me.
It feels like that period is sort of over.

Blah, everybody knows that. Circle Takes the Square is just the best screamo band. Most bands that are the best transcend genres and categorizable sound. Oh ya, by great I don't mean to suggest that you are forced to conform to like them but I'm saying that they're hugely important. As the Roots Undo achieves so much for screamo because its experimentation with progressive rock and ambient melodic sections is what helps it be more accessible to random people. They're one of the few bands who uses accessibility to their own help and not hindrance. They now have tons of fans and well....don't suck.

[tornpictures]

They're known to be pretty anti-social at shows.

[DFelon204409]

They're known to be pretty anti-social at shows.

Weird. I'd attribute that to awkward modesty. I left a comment on their myspace wall and the bassist Kathy responded with a lengthy message about how they really appreciated my comment and all this stuff about possible tours and that they didn't know quite what they were doing. She was really open and kind so they're probably just people who only know how to have friends over the internet. What losers. I'm not like that at all...

:upset:

[Mr. Ron]

My friend says Dillinger Escape Plan is a screamo band but I think it's a grind-core band.
Could you help me clear this up? :confused:
:lol:

DEP is definetly not a emo band.

[EvIL_ToASTER_OVEN]

Weird. I'd attribute that to awkward modesty. I left a comment on their myspace wall and the bassist Kathy responded with a lengthy message about how they really appreciated my comment and all this stuff about possible tours and that they didn't know quite what they were doing. She was really open and kind so they're probably just people who only know how to have friends over the internet. What losers. I'm not like that at all...

:upset:
:lol:

[heaven sent dont u dare forget]

could underoath be considered screamo?

i dont really know what screamo really is and i prolly couldnt name any pure screamo bands. but one thing i kno for certian is matchbook romance is no where near screamo at all.

so anyone wanna gimme some good screamo bands.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

could underoath be considered screamo?

i dont really know what screamo really is and i prolly couldnt name any pure screamo bands. but one thing i kno for certian is matchbook romance is no where near screamo at all.

so anyone wanna gimme some good screamo bands.
No, Underoath aren't screamo.

I don't know many screamo bands, Orchid are a good one though.

[cbmartinez]

http://www.purevolume.com/textbooktraitors

There's a good screamo band.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

http://www.purevolume.com/textbooktraitors

There's a good screamo band.
I like this band too. Saetia aren't screamo are they?

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, they are considered screamo by most.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

My favorite screamo band would be The Assitant.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

'Loft Party' by Orchid is a really good song.

[cbmartinez]

All aforementioned bands kick.

[Teeth and Lungs]

ok first of all, i do agree that thursday, sense fail, etc are NOT screamo BUT...
thursday is an absolutely amazing band, they have some of the most amazing lyrics i have heard yet and the music is very melodic and intense, if u diss thursday then u have NO taste in music

second of all, screamo is in fact a characteristic that suits bands like From Autumn to Ashes, Underoath, Anah Aevia (more hardcore then screamo) etc.

if you enjoy bands like FATA and Underoath then you like screamo, and let me take this opportunity to state once and for all that bands like FATA and Underoath are not hardcore, and don't even come close.

[Nataroo]

ok first of all, i do agree that thursday, sense fail, etc are NOT screamo BUT...
thursday is an absolutely amazing band, they have some of the most amazing lyrics i have heard yet and the music is very melodic and intense, if u diss thursday then u have NO taste in music

second of all, screamo is in fact a characteristic that suits bands like From Autumn to Ashes, Underoath, Anah Aevia (more hardcore then screamo) etc.

if you enjoy bands like FATA and Underoath then you like screamo, and let me take this opportunity to state once and for all that bands like FATA and Underoath are not hardcore, and don't even come close.

youre so wacky.

p.s wrong x 50. 2nd post and youve already lost any respect i may at some point have had for you.

[DFelon204409]

youre so wacky.

p.s wrong x 50. 2nd post and youve already lost any respect i may at some point have had for you.

My problem was that the post had intense moments of great truths like about how cool Thursday is and about how FATA ain't hardcore. They weren't even articulated intelligently but nobody cares because it's true. Then the other 80% was the stupidest **** ever. Oh well.

[Nataroo]

Jet black new year=a choice slice of awesome.

[tornpictures]

ok first of all, i do agree that thursday, sense fail, etc are NOT screamo BUT...
thursday is an absolutely amazing band, they have some of the most amazing lyrics i have heard yet and the music is very melodic and intense, if u diss thursday then u have NO taste in music

second of all, screamo is in fact a characteristic that suits bands like From Autumn to Ashes, Underoath, Anah Aevia (more hardcore then screamo) etc.

if you enjoy bands like FATA and Underoath then you like screamo, and let me take this opportunity to state once and for all that bands like FATA and Underoath are not hardcore, and don't even come close.

Those bands are really skraemotional.

[Teeth and Lungs]

My problem was that the post had intense moments of great truths like about how cool Thursday is and about how FATA ain't hardcore. They weren't even articulated intelligently but nobody cares because it's true. Then the other 80% was the stupidest **** ever. Oh well.


wtf r u smoking
tell me what i said wrong

[DFelon204409]

wtf r u smoking
tell me what i said wrong

Nothing.

FATA and Underoath are not screamo, emo or anything resembling that.

[Teeth and Lungs]

Nothing.

FATA and Underoath are not screamo, emo or anything resembling that.


soooo what are fata and underoath if they aren't screamo,
and name a band this IS screamo

[DFelon204409]

soooo what are fata and underoath if they aren't screamo,
and name a band this IS screamo

They're popcore.

I've named tons of bands that are screamo. Why not check out my stickied thread titled *MUST READ*?

[Teeth and Lungs]

They're popcore.

I've named tons of bands that are screamo. Why not check out my stickied thread titled *MUST READ*?

wait a sec, ok glassjaw is ****in awesome, but they r so NOT screamo
they are way hardcore (my preferred type of music)
calling them screamo is like calling the bled screamo

[DFelon204409]

wait a sec, ok glassjaw is ****in awesome, but they r so NOT screamo
they are way hardcore (my preferred type of music)
calling them screamo is like calling the bled screamo

Glassjaw isn't hardcore. Did you even read that thread?

Do it. http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300648

[Times Ten]

Textbook Traitors are awesome... and everyone knows that Glassjaw isn't hardcore... even I know that...

[Teeth and Lungs]

Glassjaw isn't hardcore. Did you even read that thread?

Do it. http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300648

very impressive description, i guess it depends on where you live to describe music styles.
where im from, we classify all that bull**** Terror, Hatebreed, American Nightmare, etc as "redneck rock" cuz only dudes with long hair that swing their guitars really low and think that double base solos and very low pitched screaming is cool

in addition to that, we also consider hardcore a very diverse caste. After reading what u have written, our "hardcore" includes what you wrote about metalcore and grindcore

i do admit im only 16 and ive only been listening to "hardcore" since about 99 when the I was introduced to bands like the blood brothers.

i do admit your description is very precise, you must be really into the music and history, i respect that

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Wow.

Not to be an ***, but you know nothing.

[DFelon204409]

Wow.

Not to be an ***, but you know nothing.

To be an ***, he knows about as much as my wigger brother who listens to Coheed and Cambria and 50 Cent.

[chips88]

To be an ***, he knows about as much as my wigger brother who listens to Coheed and Cambria and 50 Cent.

Seriously :amaze:

[honkybrewster]

Page 99 are screamo? I thought they were just hardcore.

[XemoXmoshXpitX]

Nah. Screamo.

[honkybrewster]

Hmm. I suppose I've learned something new this day.

[cbmartinez]

Hold your horses, torn might come on and pull one of his "They are poppy hardcore band."

[tornpictures]

Page 99 are screamo? I thought they were just hardcore.

Oh, me too, but all the kids who are just getting into it are lumping them in the screamo category.

[hey, you're not cory!]

They're known to be pretty anti-social at shows.
i read a thing about them in Alternative Press and they interviewed the guitar player and he was a cunt.

[coheedncambria94]

first of all screamo is emo the way it used to be played. when every1 started calling all those pop-punk bands "emo" ppl started xalling the real emo music "screamo"
screamo bands don't all ways scream they can also sing.
Screamo bands: -Breakdance Vietnam
-Pg. 99
-ALEXISONFIRE
-Planes Mistaken For Stars (kinda, jus a lil')
-Senses Fail (yes, they hav sum screamo characteristics)
-Saosin
-These Arms Are Snakes
-Silverstein
-The Hope Conspiracy
-Jude The Obscure

Often mistaken as screamo: -Atreyu
-From Autumn To Ashes
-Coheed And Cambria
-Hopesfall
-Story of The Year
-My Chemical Romance
-Endicott
-Break The Silence
-Taking Back Sunday (you'll b surpirsed if u knew)
-You get the idea


Theres a Difference between Post-Hardcore, Emo, Screamo, and Hardcore

[Wow]

You fail. Give up.

[James Howlett]

Then name some good Screamo bands, cuz I'd like to know more than just STTS.

[shesimplywillnotdie.]

Screamo is basically emo with a scream here and there whats so hard to understand. Most people label Screamo bands under hardcore which is very wrong. Underoath is a good screamo band.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

first of all screamo is emo the way it used to be played. when every1 started calling all those pop-punk bands "emo" ppl started xalling the real emo music "screamo"
screamo bands don't all ways scream they can also sing.
Screamo bands: -Breakdance Vietnam
-Pg. 99
-ALEXISONFIRE
-Planes Mistaken For Stars (kinda, jus a lil')
-Senses Fail (yes, they hav sum screamo characteristics)
-Saosin
-These Arms Are Snakes
-Silverstein
-The Hope Conspiracy
-Jude The Obscure

Often classified as screamo: -Atreyu
-From Autumn To Ashes
-Coheed And Cambria
-Hopesfall
-Story of The Year
-My Chemical Romance
-Endicott
-Break The Silence
-Taking Back Sunday (you'll b surpirsed if u knew)
-You get the idea


Theres a Difference between Post-Hardcore, Emo, Screamo, and Hardcore

Screamo is basically emo with a scream here and there whats so hard to understand. Most people label Screamo bands under hardcore which is very wrong. Underoath is a good screamo band.

Are these joke accounts or what? If they aren't, at least that one guy likes the Hope Conspiracy.

[shesimplywillnotdie.]

Listen to the new underoath CD and tell that is not screamo.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

Listen to the new underoath CD and tell that is not screamo.
Listen to the new underoath CD and suck my balls.

[DFelon204409]

Listen to the new underoath CD and tell that is not screamo.

You simply won't die.

Look. Underoath is popcore. Plain and simple. Listen to pageninetynine or Kaospilot and recognize that that is screamo. Then listen to Underoath. Can you tell that they aren't screamo now?

[shesimplywillnotdie.]

I don't like Underoath. I'm just saying they are screamo. Gosh you guys get so defensive over nothing.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

I don't like Underoath. I'm just saying they are screamo. Gosh you guys get so defensive over nothing.
We don't give a **** if you like them or not, they aren't screamo.

[shesimplywillnotdie.]

Your hopeless, http://www.purevolume.com/underoath

If they aren't screamo then nothing is.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Well I guess nothing is then.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

Your hopeless, http://www.purevolume.com/underoath

If they aren't screamo then nothing is.
SUCK. MY. BALLS.

[tornpictures]

Listen to pageninetynine or Kaospilot and recognize that that is screamo.

pg. 99 aren't the best example. They changed styles quite often. They had this metallic thing going on on (was it) Doc7 or 8 (?).

Try Orchid or Jeromes Dream.

[cbmartinez]

I don't see the big deal Jerome's Dream or Kaospilot. I downloaded some Kaospilot mp3s off their site (they're coming out with a new full length this year in addition to a split with Transistor, Transistor I believe). The recording was shoddy and the vocals were too quiet so I was generally not impressed. They need to get some better recording and then I will judge. As for Jerome's Dream, the guitarists are talented and theirs some emotion in there, but the vocalist seems like he's randomly shouting whenever he feels like it.

[tornpictures]

As for Jerome's Dream, the guitarists are talented and theirs some emotion in there, but the vocalist seems like he's randomly shouting whenever he feels like it.

There's emotion in every music, dude.

Maybe you just have to get into JD.. I know I hate 'Presents' because of the vocals. They're like that because the singer never used a mic and his voice got ****ed.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, but it seems like you say a lot of bands are not emo because they don't have that extreme amount of emo, when JD really don't seem to have that much.

[tornpictures]

Well then why do you call them a screamo band?

[tornpictures]

Yeah, but it seems like you say a lot of bands are not emo because they don't have that extreme amount of emo, when JD really don't seem to have that much.
See, what I meant to say was, why do you call them screamo if they're supposed to have that 'extreme amount of emo.'

Screamo bands don't have that 'extreme amount of emo,' (Orchid, Neil Perry) nor do regular hardcore bands (HOT CROSS).
That's why I don't call them emo.

[OI! to the World!]

Screamo hurts my ears.

[Wow]

Lightweight.

[cbmartinez]

See, what I meant to say was, why do you call them screamo if they're supposed to have that 'extreme amount of emo.'

Screamo bands don't have that 'extreme amount of emo,' (Orchid, Neil Perry) nor do regular hardcore bands (HOT CROSS).
That's why I don't call them emo.

So what's your definition of "screamo?"

[DFelon204409]

pg. 99 aren't the best example. They changed styles quite often. They had this metallic thing going on on (was it) Doc7 or 8 (?).

Try Orchid or Jeromes Dream.

The point was, I was giving that idiot the most extreme, brutal screamo possible, as to fully and thoroughly destroy his notion on Underoath being screamo.

[coheedncambria94]

try the assistant, thats screamo

[Times Ten]

Screamo- Circle Takes The Square, Combat Wounded Veteran, Hot Cross, Hugs, Kaospilot, Mass Movement of The Moths, Neil Perry, Takaru

Not Screamo- Alexisonfire, Atreyu, Thrice, Thursday, Refused, My Chemical Romance

and someone said Break The Silence... they aren't even close to anything emo.

[BridgeToSolace]

Hugs is cool.

[BuddyBigsby]

combatwoundedveteran are just grindy, spazzy stuff. not screamo.

[DFelon204409]

Mass Movements of the Moths is such a cool band name. Totally skr33m0!

[tornpictures]

Great band, too.

[Sever Child]

you guys forgot to mention textbook traitors

[nitzguy]

ok first of all, i do agree that thursday, sense fail, etc are NOT screamo BUT...
thursday is an absolutely amazing band, they have some of the most amazing lyrics i have heard yet and the music is very melodic and intense, if u diss thursday then u have NO taste in music

second of all, screamo is in fact a characteristic that suits bands like From Autumn to Ashes, Underoath, Anah Aevia (more hardcore then screamo) etc.

if you enjoy bands like FATA and Underoath then you like screamo, and let me take this opportunity to state once and for all that bands like FATA and Underoath are not hardcore, and don't even come close.

<--- has no taste in music

[screamo_queen87]

uh...why dont you all just stop argueing about which bands are screamo and which ones are hardcore....honestly... :rolleyes:

[DeathHawk]

uh...why dont you all just stop argueing about which bands are screamo and which ones are hardcore....honestly... :rolleyes:


Either its great irony, or you know what you are talking about.

I'm going with the first.

[Malice]

first of all screamo is emo the way it used to be played. when every1 started calling all those pop-punk bands "emo" ppl started xalling the real emo music "screamo"
screamo bands don't all ways scream they can also sing.
Screamo bands: -Breakdance Vietnam
-Pg. 99
-ALEXISONFIRE
-Planes Mistaken For Stars (kinda, jus a lil')
-Senses Fail (yes, they hav sum screamo characteristics)
-Saosin
-These Arms Are Snakes
-Silverstein
-The Hope Conspiracy
-Jude The Obscure

Often classified as screamo: -Atreyu
-From Autumn To Ashes
-Coheed And Cambria
-Hopesfall
-Story of The Year
-My Chemical Romance
-Endicott
-Break The Silence
-Taking Back Sunday (you'll b surpirsed if u knew)
-You get the idea


Theres a Difference between Post-Hardcore, Emo, Screamo, and Hardcore
You fayle BIG TIME

[fear_before]

Bands with high pitched, 'spazzy' screams i tend to class as screamo eg. CTTS, Orchid etc. Not to say all bands can be lumped into the genre just down to this characteristic however, as bands like the #12 looks like you and combat wounded veterean contain all the craziness and spazz elements similar to screamo bands but i would place them more in a grind/hXc direction.

[Lowend]

guess who doesn't care what the f*ck the music he likes is pidgeonholed as?


<---this guy :cool:

[BuddyBigsby]

Then you're posting in the wrong forum.

[Lowend]

ok.

[DeathHawk]

guess who doesn't care what the f*ck the music he likes is pidgeonholed as?


<---this guy :cool:

Wow, you're too cool for school chump

[Throw.This.Away]

What about Saetia?

[cbmartinez]

Yes.

[Wow]

Some consider them emo, some screamo.

[cbmartinez]

If Potrait is considered screamo, Saetia is too.

[deadohiosky9]

I would def call Saetia screamo. I acn see why they would be emo, but they scream waaaay to much, so I call em Screamo.

[BuddyBigsby]

tell them your Saetia/Ebay story.

[Wow]

deadohiosky and his spending ridiculous amounts of money on Saetia items. Mansecks please.

[tornpictures]

I love rich kids bidding their way to a record collection.

[deadohiosky9]

hahahah. lolz. i have my parents credit card saved on paypal, so i now own every Saetia record. :naughty: Oh yeah, i also met Jamie on ebay.

[frmautumTOashes]

I think bands like Pg. 99 and CTTS, lean more towards hardcore and grindcore, than emo. If screamo is supposed to be all screaming, what sets it apart from hardcore. Now people are saying Saetia is screamo. I always considered them emo. All these bands that overlap in genres are starting to confuse me.

And about DFelon saying Underoath is popcore, there's no such thing. I think a better term would be melodic hardcore. The reason so many people say Underoath is screamo is because they went from being a metalcore band to a melodic hardcore band on their newer albums.

[kodan armada]

nah, i still say pg 99 and ctts are screamo

[feedyourhead]

it's disgusting how grindcore can be spoken about like its so close to being emo.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Underoath is not melodic hardcore. Melodic hardcore shouldn't even be a genre. Underoath is part of this whole new wave of bad bands that people think are hardcore, but aren't. Popcore sounds like a good name for it.

[Forest_Fire]

What would you consider Strike Anywhere and such bands?

[cbmartinez]

I don't hear any hardcore in Underoath's music. The thing that sets apart emo from hardcore is the introspective guitar breaks and sense of emotion. And the thing that sets screamo apart from "grindcore (The Locust, etc)" is the introspective guitar breaks and creation of a sense of emotion. See what I'm saying. Emo is an emotional form of hardcore and many people call screamo an emotional form of "grindcore."

[Let's Chop Cats!]

What would you consider Strike Anywhere and such bands?
Punk or Hardcore (take your pick) band that just doesn't follow a specific sound.

[BuddyBigsby]

I think bands like Pg. 99 and CTTS, lean more towards hardcore and grindcore, than emo. If screamo is supposed to be all screaming, what sets it apart from hardcore. Now people are saying Saetia is screamo. I always considered them emo. All these bands that overlap in genres are starting to confuse me.

And about DFelon saying Underoath is popcore, there's no such thing. I think a better term would be melodic hardcore. The reason so many people say Underoath is screamo is because they went from being a metalcore band to a melodic hardcore band on their newer albums.

Nah, listen to Napalm Death. Pg. 99 and CTTS definitely don't lean towards grindcore, but I will give you metal. Pg. 99 I would only even consider screamo on Document 8 and on a few other releases. Like Document 5 for example, to me, can't even be labeled. It doesn't have that emo/screamo sound, but it's not quite hardcore, and it's not quite metal. Same goes with the Majority Rule split, I don't know how to even start describing that one.

About the popcore thing, that's a term DFelon invented to refer to this wave of pseudo-screamo bands, so it's a term you'll hear around here frequently, but nowhere else.

[tornpictures]

Oh yeah, i also met Jamie on ebay.

Oh wow. I'm startstruck.

[axeslinga_32]

the only thing i see in common between grind and screamo are the blast beats, and bands like hot cross don't even use blast beats if memory serves correct? someone please educate me... and also, the locust, grindcore? they don't sound anything close to napalm death or carcass to me?

[cbmartinez]

That's why I used grindcore in quotes. We have yet to come up with a name for bands like The Locust, Holy Molar, Daughters and TTDTDE who obviously have that insane chaotic sound, but are not really true grind. I think I'm going to start calling them spazz bands.

[DFelon204409]

I think bands like Pg. 99 and CTTS, lean more towards hardcore and grindcore, than emo. If screamo is supposed to be all screaming, what sets it apart from hardcore. Now people are saying Saetia is screamo. I always considered them emo. All these bands that overlap in genres are starting to confuse me.

And about DFelon saying Underoath is popcore, there's no such thing. I think a better term would be melodic hardcore. The reason so many people say Underoath is screamo is because they went from being a metalcore band to a melodic hardcore band on their newer albums.

Screamo isn't defined as emo with screaming. It's emotional hardcore that does in fact lean towards chaos, or grind as you've labelled it. So ya, it is right to call them screamo.

Me saying popcore is correct. Popcore means bands that are pop punk but interject or even superimpose elements of hardcore (screaming, breakdowns) into their music. For example, Underoath scream and sometimes have breakdowns but are very much making pop punk music. Melodic hardcore more defines bands like Rise Against, or Thrice, or Strike Anywhere. They are hardcore bands that insert melodic stuff into their music. Get it?

[tornpictures]

They're a legendary band called Spazz.

[thisisromance]

i dont know if anyone has stated this yet, but i dont feel like looking through 5 pages to find out, so im just going to say it

screamo = pop punk w/ screaming

examples = senses fail, emery, matchbook romance, beautiful mistake, hawthorne heights, thursday, etc.

even though im saying this... i know that you cannot really put music into mutually agreed upon genres, because everyone's interpretation of music is different. this is just what i classify screamo as... and most of the people around my area (Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX) do the same.

[thisisromance]

Screamo isn't defined as emo with screaming. It's emotional hardcore that does in fact lean towards chaos, or grind as you've labelled it. So ya, it is right to call them screamo.

Me saying popcore is correct. Popcore means bands that are pop punk but interject or even superimpose elements of hardcore (screaming, breakdowns) into their music. For example, Underoath scream and sometimes have breakdowns but are very much making pop punk music. Melodic hardcore more defines bands like Rise Against, or Thrice, or Strike Anywhere. They are hardcore bands that insert melodic stuff into their music. Get it?

felon, in classifying bands, especially like underoath, you also have to look at the background of the band and how the "came to be". underoath used to be more of a death metal band, then hardcore, then they finally got into the popish stuff they do now largely due to their new singer. i suppose you could describe them as popcore, but if you have met the people, you would know that they are a lot more hardcore than rise against, thrice, or strike anywhere. im just saying that bands cannot be put into categories merely based on their music, but also on their performances and lifestyle.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

i dont know if anyone has stated this yet, but i dont feel like looking through 5 pages to find out, so im just going to say it

screamo = pop punk w/ screaming

examples = senses fail, emery, matchbook romance, beautiful mistake, hawthorne heights, thursday, etc.

even though im saying this... i know that you cannot really put music into mutually agreed upon genres, because everyone's interpretation of music is different. this is just what i classify screamo as... and most of the people around my area (Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX) do the same.
Your wrong.

[DFelon204409]

im just saying that bands cannot be put into categories merely based on their music, but also on their performances and lifestyle.

Bands can be put into categories merely based on their music. It's called genre.


felon, in classifying bands, especially like underoath, you also have to look at the background of the band and how the "came to be". underoath used to be more of a death metal band, then hardcore, then they finally got into the popish stuff they do now largely due to their new singer. i suppose you could describe them as popcore, but if you have met the people, you would know that they are a lot more hardcore than rise against, thrice, or strike anywhere.

Hardcore isn't really a quantifiable term so I don't know why you're using it as such. Also, in case you didn't know, "hardcore," as a genre is punk but more abrasive with shouting or screaming. I'd say that Strike Anywhere and Rise Against are definitely two bands that draw from punk and then add abrasiveness but with more melody than standard hardcore. When you have a band like Underoath who derives their sound from what you attribute to metal initially, but more recently pop punk, you get a totally new genre. It can't be hardcore since we're not talking about punk with abrasiveness but pop punk with abrasiveness in the form of screaming. So what's the end result? Popcore. Plain and simple. It may be a term I made up but it's perfect for it.

[thisisromance]

first off, i want to start by saying that it is rediculous to be arguing over what genre a band falls into, and yes i do realize the irony of me saying this seeing as how i am arguing over what genre a band falls into. i don't know how you mean to use the word quantifiable... but it doesn't make sense to me, perhaps you could explain (please do not take that as an insult, i assure you it is not intended to be one). finally, i want to make a point by asking you where you are from, like... what area or metroplex do you live in? i live in the DFW area as i clearly stated earlier. around my area most people (that i know at least) agree with my outlook on "screamo" and refer to "hardcore" as a pretty broad genre. think of it like this, in texas if you are at baseball game and someone is selling dr peppers, you will yell to them, "get me a coke over here." ... coke is a very general term in texas, it refers to practically all soft drinks. the word "hardcore" is the same way. it can refer to almost anything besides straight out pop, such as new found glory, etc. hardcore is also used to describe people... just as emo is used to describe "emo kids", hardcore is used to describe "hardcore kids." i dont know if you see what i am getting at, but i'm really not trying to be an *** and insult you or anything, im just trying to explain my perspective. that's what makes america (assuming you are from the united states) great after all right? the ability to express your opinion.

and i do think your "made up" genre "popcore" would describe underoath. but who says it has to be "made up", i mean i suppose all genres were called "made up" at one time. and i suppose all genres should still be called "made up" because they are really just ideas. but w/e. (God i hope that didn't just start another argument)

[DFelon204409]

first off, i want to start by saying that it is rediculous to be arguing over what genre a band falls into, and yes i do realize the irony of me saying this seeing as how i am arguing over what genre a band falls into. i don't know how you mean to use the word quantifiable... but it doesn't make sense to me, perhaps you could explain (please do not take that as an insult, i assure you it is not intended to be one). finally, i want to make a point by asking you where you are from, like... what area or metroplex do you live in? i live in the DFW area as i clearly stated earlier. around my area most people (that i know at least) agree with my outlook on "screamo" and refer to "hardcore" as a pretty broad genre. think of it like this, in texas if you are at baseball game and someone is selling dr peppers, you will yell to them, "get me a coke over here." ... coke is a very general term in texas, it refers to practically all soft drinks. the word "hardcore" is the same way. it can refer to almost anything besides straight out pop, such as new found glory, etc. hardcore is also used to describe people... just as emo is used to describe "emo kids", hardcore is used to describe "hardcore kids." i dont know if you see what i am getting at, but i'm really not trying to be an *** and insult you or anything, im just trying to explain my perspective. that's what makes america (assuming you are from the united states) great after all right? the ability to express your opinion.

and i do think your "made up" genre "popcore" would describe underoath. but who says it has to be "made up", i mean i suppose all genres were called "made up" at one time. and i suppose all genres should still be called "made up" because they are really just ideas. but w/e. (God i hope that didn't just start another argument)

What is the DFW area? Dumb ****ing Whitetrash? Where I come from we call Dr. Pepper soda because it isn't Coke nor is it a coke. Hardcore is not a broad term. It's finite. It's a genre. If it is going to be looked at as a lifestyle, that's a completely different matter. Also "hardcore kids" or "emo kids" are just people who are in a community of people who listen to like music. Often "hardcore kids" are straight edge and like to dance at shows. Emo kids often own way too much vinyl for their own good. That's about all you can say about them. The more important part is the music. In that regard, hardcore is tightly defined. Until you figure that out you're going to get hassled in this forum because you're surrounded by people who actually know what they're talking about.

[thisisromance]

thank you for understanding what i was trying to say.

[deadohiosky9]

i dont know if anyone has stated this yet, but i dont feel like looking through 5 pages to find out, so im just going to say it

screamo = pop punk w/ screaming

examples = senses fail, emery, matchbook romance, beautiful mistake, hawthorne heights, thursday, etc.

even though im saying this... i know that you cannot really put music into mutually agreed upon genres, because everyone's interpretation of music is different. this is just what i classify screamo as... and most of the people around my area (Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX) do the same.

HAHAHAHAHA.

Ok, that was funny. Dude, screamo is not pop punk with screaming. You should check the *Must Read* thread, and also check out Fourfa (http://www.fourfa.com )

[MissingTheShore]

i once had a kid tell me yellowcard was screamo becuase they screamed in one song.

this is a similliar experience.

[conniption]

The Blood Brothers are considered screamo, right?
I've considered them too be after reading a bunch of posts.
Anyways, they're a great band.

[PlasticGangster]

i've been listening to a lot of Kite Flying Society, Saetia, Portrait, Anomie, Reversal Of Man, and Heroin lately.
Can anybody give me more bands?

[BuddyBigsby]

but if you have met the people, you would know that they are a lot more hardcore than rise against, thrice, or strike

hahahahahaha, you're an idiot.

Being 'hardcore' people =/= being a hardcore band.

[Wow]

i've been listening to a lot of Kite Flying Society, Saetia, Portrait, Anomie, Reversal Of Man, and Heroin lately.
Can anybody give me more bands?


A Day In Black And White, Bright Calm Blue, Circle Takes The Square, Frail, Hot Cross, Indian Summer, Joshua Fit For Battle, Julia, Love Like... Electrocution, Lost Lost But Not Forgotten, The Khayembii Communique.


:thumb:

[PlasticGangster]

heard all but Julia and Frail. Thanks.
anymore suggestions?

[Sep]

City Of Caterpillar
Pg. 99
Orchid
Neil Perry

[Sep]

Kaospilot, The Kodan Armada

[tornpictures]

i've been listening to a lot of Kite Flying Society, Saetia, Portrait, Anomie, Reversal Of Man, and Heroin lately.
Can anybody give me more bands?

Anomie! I love them.

If you like Anomie, check out Peu-etre, Alcatraz, Ivich, Jasemine, Fingerprint, Undone. All French bands.

Reversal of Man -> Jeromes Dream, Orchid, Combatwoundedveteran, any spazzy 'screamo' band.

Heroin -> Antioch Arrow, Frail, Honeywell, Guyver-one, Constatine Sankathi, bla bla bla.

[DFelon204409]

Isn't it Peut-etre, unless it's wordplay. "Peut-etre" is the expression in French for "could be" ir "can be." To say "peu-etre" is like saying "bit-be" or "little be" or maybe "little being." I guess their band name is sort of like Puny Human then.

Also, Alcatraz is funny because if you spelled it "Alcatrazz" you'd have Yngwie Malmsteen's band's name.

[tornpictures]

It's Peu-etre.

Peut-etre means maybe.

[DFelon204409]

Oh ya. I haven't taken French in a while. But ya, clever wordplay.

[cbmartinez]

Dfelon and your stupid French. You got all on that Saetia track's *** because it wasn't proper French.

[deadohiosky9]

Dfelon are your stupid French. You got all on that Saetia track's *** because it wasn't proper French.

hahaha.

[PlasticGangster]

isn't Billy Werner from France?

[k1ckthecat]

back to screamo....

My 2 cents:
Fear Before the March of Flames & Textbook Traitors are the best screamo bands ever.

[kodan armada]

some girls totally owns them

[BuddyBigsby]

I like some girls but they're so overrated.

[tornpictures]

isn't Billy Werner from France?

No.

Has anyone here heard the new ADIBAW stuff?

It sucks.
Seriously, way too poppy and ****. The old stuff was awesome, but I heard there wasn't much left after Pete left the band.
He wrote most of the older stuff.

[Sep]

Did you get that ADIBAW/??? split then, Torn?
What instrument did Pete play?

[tornpictures]

Split 10" with (I belive) Navies.
I have the mp3's somewhere, samples on the website.

I think he played guitar, I'm not sure, though.

[Sep]

They only have one guitarist, and I'm pretty sure he's the singer as well so that would suck if they lost him.

[tornpictures]

"In the bad news dept. Steve has decided to return to school in Seattle. We wish him the best and thank him for the good times. Luckily for us Mike from Navies will be playing bass for us on both the US and European Tours."

Okay, his name's Steve and he played bass.

[Sep]

You have a link to any of the new songs?

[BuddyBigsby]

No.

Has anyone here heard the new ADIBAW stuff?

It sucks.
Seriously, way too poppy and ****. The old stuff was awesome, but I heard there wasn't much left after Pete left the band.
He wrote most of the older stuff.

Is there any band you can compare the new sound to?

Sucks. I was going to pick it up at the show in Long Beach, which got moved to SAN DIEGO by the way. Eff that.

[Wow]

Now I'm debating on whether or not I should see them on the 23rd.

[cbmartinez]

I'd still definitely see them. They'll play old stuff and it probably isn't as bad as torn makes it out to be.

[DFelon204409]

Now I'm debating on whether or not I should see them on the 23rd.

Shut up and go. They'll play old songs. Also, torn is the biggest elitist here, maybe you'll like them.

[PlasticGangster]

a friend of mine just told me about The Sea.
so good, i can't stop listening.

[cbmartinez]

In/Humanity is incredible.

[Wow]

Shut up and go. They'll play old songs. Also, torn is the biggest elitist here, maybe you'll like them.


Yeah I'll go but I'll be pissed if they don't play The Gaze.

[cbmartinez]

They will.

[iEatHeartAttacks]

A screamo Band From Malaysia! For fans of Orchid and pg.99...ect

http://www.myspace.com/utarid

[Nataroo]

Ive got an interview with the uni billy werner went to. i feel hot and special.

[leeroy123]

Anyone know where i can get neil perry, orchid, pg 99 and others like that? I cant find any online :upset: Like maybe any links to some of them?

[BuddyBigsby]

You're not going to have much look on the internet.

You can download the wonderful, wonderful Soulseek which is a file-sharing program: www.slsknet.org

Or you can IM me at whothenow and I can send you a bunch over AIM.

[PlasticGangster]

i have lots of neil perry, orchid, and pg 99 on soulseek.
AAHHdinosaur is my name.

[tornpictures]

a friend of mine just told me about The Sea.
so good, i can't stop listening.

Do you mean The Sea, The Sea?
Because they're really, really, really good.
Ex-membeers of Bev Clone.

[leeroy123]

You're not going to have much look on the internet.

You can download the wonderful, wonderful Soulseek which is a file-sharing program: www.slsknet.org

Or you can IM me at whothenow and I can send you a bunch over AIM.
Yeah, ive already gone to soulseek but it effs up my computer whenever i download it so i cat do that.

[PlasticGangster]

Do you mean The Sea, The Sea?
Because they're really, really, really good.
Ex-membeers of Bev Clone.
er
yes, i meant the sea, the sea.

[BuddyBigsby]

Yeah, ive already gone to soulseek but it effs up my computer whenever i download it so i cat do that.

Then IM me.

[PlasticGangster]

tornpictures, do you have soulseek?

[tornpictures]

Yeah.

CutsLikeDrugs

[punskad16]

Wow, i just heard Circle Takes the Square's 'Crow Quill' and it was.... THE WORST ****ING THING I'VE EVER HEARD. Screaming is cool but not like every word you say, it just gets really stupid really quick

[ALLP YO]

Wow, i just heard Circle Takes the Square's 'Crow Quill' and it was.... THE WORST ****ING THING I'VE EVER HEARD. Screaming is cool but not like every word you say, it just gets really stupid really quick
That can't possibly be the worst thing you've ever heard. You might not like screaming, that doesn't mean it's stupid. Do you think melodic singing would go along with that sort of music?

[ALLP YO]

Haha, nevermind, I just realized you were the guy who started the Deftones thread.

[DFelon204409]

Wow, i just heard Circle Takes the Square's 'Crow Quill' and it was.... THE WORST ****ING THING I'VE EVER HEARD. Screaming is cool but not like every word you say, it just gets really stupid really quick

If you don't stop typing like a 12 year old in an AOL chat room you cruisin' for a bruisin'. No really. In this forum we use complex things called explanation to explain opinion instead of just shouting them out like an idiot. So seriously. You gon' get banned.

[BuddyBigsby]

He's an obvious gimmick.

GO GO GADGET BAN

[PenguinOfDoom]

Pg. 99.

I've said my peace, IMO one of the best bands in the genre.

[Wow]

Hey, lets give it up for the retard bumping 9 month old threads. Good job, buddy! :thumb:

[Mr. Ron]

Beecher?

[PenguinOfDoom]

Hey, lets give it up for the retard bumping 9 month old threads. Good job, buddy! :thumb:

Sorry, I didn't realise :( can we still be friends

[StandingStill]

Beecher?
What about them?

[Mr. Ron]

What about them?
Just wondering if anyone knows them.

[Malice]

The Great Redneck Hope?

http://www.myspace.com/thegreatredneckhope.

They also have a thingo on Purevolume.

[Malice]

Just wondering if anyone knows them.
KNOW THEM?

I ****ing LOVE them!

[whiteminority]

The Great Redneck Hope?

http://www.myspace.com/thegreatredneckhope.

They also have a thingo on Purevolume.
grind, not screamo.

[Wow]

grind, not screamo.


Told.

[whiteminority]

:chug:

[StandingStill]

Just wondering if anyone knows them.
Yeah, they are awesome. Not really a screamo band though.

[SGlove]

Where did this thread come from?
I kind of remember some of this.
Is that bad?

[Wow]

Where did this thread come from?
I kind of remember some of this.
Is that bad?


It came from 9 months ago.

[SGlove]

9 months ago?
Hot damn.
There was such an influx of newbs.
I miss them.

emomoshpit with all the x's.
LoL.