I prefer the slide tecnnique

[breakster]

lately there has been alot of hype bout the "heel-toe" technique but after learning to play both i prefer the slide technique and can still get fast triplets effortlessly. Any one else use the slide technique predominately? And does anyone want instructions on it since there is more than enough on heel-toe? thanks

[ilikenoise]

I find slideing easier to do, especially because I've got quite big feet. You can get the doubles and triplets all even aswell I find, or If you want accents, it's easier to do aswell. With hell toe I think you just get the two sounds: loud or quiet.

[breakster]

I agree, my feet are only between a 8 and 9 but i still have trouble with my iron cobra. heel-toe doesnt impress me much...

[Det_Nosnip]

Oh, I dunno....Porcaro? :p He had a nasty slide technique, very fast and clean doubles.

[Josiah]

Yea.. very true!

If you can do it.. do it.

[breakster]

too true. but hav any of u guys tried bouncing the foot a bit instead of a complete slide. it helps on grippy pedals like the eliminator.

[dank drummer]

im up to trying this technique, anyone have a explanation?

[poppinfresh]

I think mylious johnson called this a "modified moeler thecnique" i do this also its much easier to figure out.

[breakster]

ok well. lets say you wanna play a double on ur bass in 16th notes:
For the first stroke, your foot needs to be quite far down the pedal (i do this heel up).
use your toes and push down but as soon as u hit, u slide your foot up to the top of the pedal and hit again.
May sound useless, but the pedal is slanted upwards right? So if you slide your foot almost forward the second stroke will happen with out you doing much because you are still pushing the pedal down.
This technique may be harder to visualise than "heel-toe" but it is actually so much easier and smoother.

Don't know if thats a good explanation, but if u cant understand, il draw a picture or try do a little movie clip for you.

[MartinGoff]

I use the slide technique, now I have been shown how to do it properly by my instructor. Takes a bit of getting used to, but IMHO much more versatile than heel/toe in the long run.

[breakster]

its also great for accenting certain bass notes because u have more control then with HT

[Jezen]

Its pretty good, but it doesn't help when you want to go to triplets or further. :lol:

[breakster]

i dont know, i can go pretty fast. eg triplets and further.

[playwithfire]

I've never noticed any more hype about the heel-toe technique than I have about the slide technique. Slide technique is more versatile, but is harder to learn. Either is good to know.

[breakster]

well put

[MartinGoff]

Its pretty good, but it doesn't help when you want to go to triplets or further. :lol:

Having seen Andy Edwards play bloody fast triplets using the slide technique with ONE FOOT, I can quite confidently state that you are most incorrect sir!

[musicpfdg]

what is slide technique ?
i know foot,toe and heel-toe technique
what is the 4th?

[breakster]

what is slide technique ?
i know foot,toe and heel-toe technique
what is the 4th?
um the slide technique is the 4th. its kind of like a toe toe tecnique, i explain in in one of the above posts.

[musicpfdg]

could you please guide me a clip ? or a picture ? anything ? a url ?

[breakster]

ok, i just need to get hold of a camera, check back in a couple days and il either have my own clip or an url for you.

[StormX]

could you please guide me a clip ? or a picture ? anything ? a url ?

he already said it

ok well. lets say you wanna play a double on ur bass in 16th notes:
For the first stroke, your foot needs to be quite far down the pedal (i do this heel up).
use your toes and push down but as soon as u hit, u slide your foot up to the top of the pedal and hit again.
May sound useless, but the pedal is slanted upwards right? So if you slide your foot almost forward the second stroke will happen with out you doing much because you are still pushing the pedal down.
This technique may be harder to visualise than "heel-toe" but it is actually so much easier and smoother.

[PowerStamp]

I agree, my feet are only between a 8 and 9 but i still have trouble with my iron cobra. heel-toe doesnt impress me much...
yea same here...I mean big feet. My shoes are 11 right now (though I'm very short), but my last shoes were 9 and I can wear 10 too, it all depends on the brand.

But I find slide a LOT easier, i can't even DO heel-toe on my pedal, my heel with heel-down rests at the bottom (non-moving) part of the pedal

[breakster]

what pedal do u have?

[ToMsK]

is the slide technique simialr to what Chad Smith uses? i saw a video of him a while back and from what you describe it sounds to me like he does that. or is it me not understanding?

[Tyrnox]

Actually, I too use the slide technique, and have always used it. I just never really had the Heel-toe down right with my Iron Cobra's, and never really bothered to sit down and get Heel-Toe working since Slide works great for me.

[breakster]

is the slide technique simialr to what Chad Smith uses? i saw a video of him a while back and from what you describe it sounds to me like he does that. or is it me not understanding?
I havnt seen the vid, but he probably does use the slide technique im talking about.

[musicpfdg]

with slide technique we can play triplets? or 2 notes? or both ?
actually i havn't try it yet , i play out side of the home and it is too cold here !
anyway any clip ? pic ?

[breakster]

*bump*
im just making it easier for the guy who was interested in slide to find this thread.
sorry

[TDrummer219]

sweet, I could never even atempt HT because i wear size 11 shoes. I'm excited gonna go try now.

[trysthedrummer]

Thanks for bumping this thread. Cheers. :)

[breakster]

sweet, I could never even atempt HT because i wear size 11 shoes. I'm excited gonna go try now.
good luck, let me know if you need clarification on anything.

[zxt titanium freak]

Its pretty good, but it doesn't help when you want to go to triplets or further. :lol:

If your going beyond triplets, its a good idea to use a double pedal.

[Caoimhine]

lately there has been alot of hype bout the "heel-toe" technique but after learning to play both i prefer the slide technique and can still get fast triplets effortlessly. Any one else use the slide technique predominately? And does anyone want instructions on it since there is more than enough on heel-toe? thanks

Hey it would be cool if u could give me instructons on it!!. thanks

[BartatuaIam]

It never ceases to astound me that people think you can't do heel toe with big feet. I wear size 13-14 shoes and I use it perfectly comfortably. Get informed before giivng up on something like that, a technique would not become that popular if Pygmies were the only people that could use it.

[Senseless Apprentice]

For all those with big feet....

Heel toe is entirely possible. The technique itself does not actually depend on the heal of your foot stepping on the pedal. It is actually about the center of your foot (just before your toes) which does the first step, folowed up by the toe hit. It only looks like the heel is hitting it, but it is actually not. And thusly...Heel-toe should be managable for just about everyone. Though perhaps it would be harder to learn for people with big feet. But yeah. I had to say that.

BTW, I got this information from an instructional video. I am surprised that more people haven't brought it up, or been informed.

[l3n]

You don't have to have the entire foot on the pedal in order to perform heel toe. Anyone who says their feet is too big to do heel-toe is seriously misinformed.

[ftuft]

Ok, so Slide you slide your foot from bottom too top 2 do 2 fast consecutive 8th/16th bass hits (or even triplets) and... ok I gonna stop - does anyone know of a really good explanation of this (slide) and Heal-toe, I got a double kick and can get the 16th's going pretty good - still need practice but you know, and wanna figure out this 32nds (how it works - practice slowly) are ther are any vids around etc? also - I was always taught to use ball of the foot etc and have for the 7 yrs I been pllaying but now I perfected that do you think those types of "rules" don't apply because we should come up witht our own comfortability etc? thanks for this guys!

[Senseless Apprentice]

Yes, I would also like to request a video...if there have been any made, or if anyone wants to make one. That would be wonderful!

[breakster]

il try get hold of a camera

[ND4SPD]

I have a friend that can do it and he can keep it going somehow. It sounds like he is playind db because he can keep it constant. He makes it look so effortless is not even funny. I've tried to get it right for months, and still haven't. I can play heel down and kick really fast and do doubles at will, but usually only if it is followed up by a snare hit.

[SalientArbiter]

I don't use ht or slide, simply because I've never tried it. I think I get the idea, but if the slide technique is how the far above explanation is, how do you keep it fast past 2 32s? I just see that it's meant for 2 fast hits.

and can someone explain heel-toe?

*and also, directed towards ND4SPD, are you george puica? if not, what does ur username mean? because i have a friend that has the aim sn NDN4SPDr (or something like that, some slight variation from urs) and that's a weird coincedence. I thought it was just gibberish. If you are george, this is jason

[breakster]

^^^ um thats where you invest in a bouble pedal. The slide technique is concentrated on two strokes but with practice you can repeat them to get an strokes.
Not quite 32nds though

[stop coming to my house]

hmm...

i've always known about techniques such as the heel-toe and so on, but ive never really used them. i started experimenting recently and i just dont think i benifit alot from it. i can play just as fast normally and do fast powerful doubles using a pretty standard techique, and i have alot more control of what i do. i dont know, i just see this kind of thing as cheating almost. hmm...im tired.

[Blizzy_206]

I also can do some fast powerful doubles just with standard technique, but i might try HT, or getting to do the slide technique consistantly, it'd be cool to do I think.

[Japan3gro]

i see that ppl have trouble doing the heel toe with IC's as well as i did when i first played on them. i own the eliminators and i found it much easier. i'll have to try the slide though

[Cisdipus]

i find heel-toe very easy i can get doubles,triples with one foot effortless and most the time i can pull off the quad , but though never really went into slide with detail but ive already gotten down heel-toe i figure i should stick with it

[Stert]

i think people are too facinated with these get rich quick schemes. in my opinion these techniques are for experiences players who have worked on their technique for a very long time and can get more use out of these tricks.

there is SO much more a lot of people could be doing to make themselves better drummers.

you can also get your regular bass drum technique going very fast as it is.

BTW. isnt this a pretty old post? i dont think your suppose to bring them back up from the 3rd or 4th page. but while its here i might as well get my $00.02 in.

[robert-in-miss-jones]

Yes, I would also like to request a video...if there have been any made, or if anyone wants to make one. That would be wonderful!


Jeff Porcaro's DVD has a decent explanation of the slide technique. Thats how i learned it.

[TDrummer219]

stert its not really a trick, but i do agree ppl immediatley jump on these get great quick schemes. $00.02 in <--that was awesome

[billdrum]

i think people are too facinated with these get rich quick schemes. in my opinion these techniques are for experiences players who have worked on their technique for a very long time and can get more use out of these tricks.

there is SO much more a lot of people could be doing to make themselves better drummers.

you can also get your regular bass drum technique going very fast as it is.

BTW. isnt this a pretty old post? i dont think your suppose to bring them back up from the 3rd or 4th page. but while its here i might as well get my $00.02 in.

#1) I doubt anybody got rich by teaching or developing these techniques

#2) Try playing a fast samba groove for any length of time without using HT or slide (I use slide myself) and you'll see why its important to learn these techniques. Its all a part of getting better at drumming, so its not a waste of time.

[Stert]

#1) I doubt anybody got rich by teaching or developing these techniques

#2) Try playing a fast samba groove for any length of time without using HT or slide (I use slide myself) and you'll see why its important to learn these techniques. Its all a part of getting better at drumming, so its not a waste of time.

i know its not a waste of time. it just seems like a lot of new drummers want to learn it right away.

i dont think a lot of the people who are all hyped about heel toe or slide know what samba is.

im definitly not saying that anyone who uses these techniques or wants to learn doesnt know what they are doing behind a kit. i was more dericting my statement to the begginer crowd that wants to "play really fast on the bass drum to show my friends how good i am at drums already."

i have always used slide without knowing what it was. i found it was an actual technique with a name about 2 years ago and formally worked on it, knowing what i was doing.

i was just making a statement about the general feeling i get about this stuff.

i would also like to look into heel toe to see some posibilities for triple strokes on bass.

anyone do more than double strokes on bass using slide? or even heel-toe for that matter.

btw. hows the new kit working for you? do you hae new heads on it yet?

[breakster]

i havnt been online for a while, nice to see my thread has been bumped lol. i agree with stert, i posted this thread in the advanced section because there are alot of things that noobs should learn before they start considering fine tuning there technique. Alot of beginner drummers wanna get in there and play fast, when they should actually be learning concepts and rhythms that sound cool slow as well as fast because anything can sound good fast in my oppinion. Hmmm, i dunno where im going with this.... Yes the slide technique is very helpfull with latin beats :)

[Thomasnotlang]

I use a blend of John Blackwell and Jojo Mayer’s technique
That being said these two are complete opposites

John uses very high tension in his spring and iron cobras
I think that he has the best single pedal technique that I have ever seen

Jojo has very low spring tension and uses old Sonor phonics
In my opinion he has the closest second best technique in the history of close seconds

I think many people experience problems with ICs because they seem to have a heavier feel than other pedals but this can be overcome.
I would also note that I traded my IC powerglides for IC flexiglides

I will tell you that this might have been the smartest move I ever made.
The feel is absolutely perfect for intricate foot playing. I have achieved both of the best points of both techniques without adjusting my spring tension from my dead center position
I will never use a chain drive again

PS. on drummerworld. com there is a clip of Jojo playing a little tune on the bass drum. I practiced that song with my foot technique and now i can do freakin' anything with my right foot.

PPS. practice heel toe on Hi-Hats as well
Trust me

Later

[Sponer]

Anyone have any videos at all of this technique? I never really heard much about it, and I've always thought I had a kind of strange way to play fast doubles/triples with my right foot. I kind of tilt my foot sideways on the second stroke... I'd post a video but I have no camera.
I'm just curious if I have been doing this "slide" technique all along. I never tried any special techniques, that's just what came naturally to me.

[Stert]

I use a blend of John Blackwell and Jojo Mayer’s technique
That being said these two are complete opposites

John uses very high tension in his spring and iron cobras
I think that he has the best single pedal technique that I have ever seen

Jojo has very low spring tension and uses old Sonor phonics
In my opinion he has the closest second best technique in the history of close seconds

I think many people experience problems with ICs because they seem to have a heavier feel than other pedals but this can be overcome.
I would also note that I traded my IC powerglides for IC flexiglides

I will tell you that this might have been the smartest move I ever made.
The feel is absolutely perfect for intricate foot playing. I have achieved both of the best points of both techniques without adjusting my spring tension from my dead center position
I will never use a chain drive again

PS. on drummerworld. com there is a clip of Jojo playing a little tune on the bass drum. I practiced that song with my foot technique and now i can do freakin' anything with my right foot.

PPS. practice heel toe on Hi-Hats as well
Trust me

Later

could you explain your technique?

what does john blackwell use?

and jojo mayer uses that rocking motion right? he doesnt actually hit the pedalboard with his heel does he?

[Thomasnotlang]

As far as I can tell John's technique revolves around the rocking motion without the ball your foot moving at all. So if his foot was glued by the ball to the center of the pedal he could still use the technique

So I named his technique the "Static Rocking motion"
A clip of what I believe to be the most commonly used form of heel toe Technique can be found on Evans.com The Frank belluci Heel toe lesson

Now I’m going to be honest. I could use JBs technique to play short burst patterns like five and six stroke rolls.


But I couldn't @#$#ing get it into a continuous roll

That’s where Jojo came in.
I've heard his brand of heel toe referred to as the Ballistic and Slide Technique, because there is obviously more moving then just his heel and toe.

With JB I learned by watching his dvd but with Jojo I got the whole secret which is
He generates the first downward stroke (heel up) and pulls up with his heel. The toes follow naturally

I showed a guy who works at Sam ash and he picked it up right away cementing my belief that it is the easiest of the three techniques to develop into a fast yet controlled roll.

So for short and very quick little burst rolls, I don’t slide my foot.
For long and slower (but by no means slow) rolls I do slide my foot.

The thing about these techniques is that words don’t do them justice. Study Jojo clip on drummerworld.com and buy John Blackwell’s DVD. Then work at them

Remember that the heel toe is just the Moller Technique for the bass drum, and as I use both Moller and heel toe and many variations of heel toe, let me be the first to tell you that it will feel different from conventional techniques. Just because it feels a little off doesn’t mean you are doing it wrong

Ok I think that is it

Later

[jerrif]

So if you slide your foot almost forward the second stroke will happen with out you doing much because you are still pushing the pedal down.

But wouldn't that make the second stroke quieter?

[Japan3gro]

i took out those rubber grips from my eliminator. i've been playing since christmas of 04 and i find this technique better than heel-toe. its all preference though.

[breakster]

it probably will, but that is just the basics of the technique. i still put in a but of downward force on the second stroke.

[breakster]

*huge bump for the benefit of someone who wanted to know about sliding

[breakster]

yup i posted a vid. im a cool guy. i know

http://media.putfile.com/bass-drum-slide-technique-

[drumnbass]

I can play using heel-toe quite easily, even though I wear size 12 shoes. R.E. slide technique, this may seem like a stupid question, but do any of you have any tips on minimising friction? I know my technique is fairly accurate, but I still find the frictional effects of slide tech. distracting. Could even be something as simple as what, if any, types of footwear make a difference, but any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers in advance

[breakster]

i put a little bounce into it, but i find it depends alot on the pedal. i cant do it on a standard eliminator that well for example.

[trysthedrummer]

I like to experiment with different techiniques to help me get better at everyone. Doing triplets with just one foot isn't than hard if you have worked your ankles up, with both feet, so then you can just tap it and follow through. You can, also try it with the slide technique but finish the double off with another hit to get your triplet.

It's a good idea to practice with both single and double pedals because, you get and entirely different sound. I mean, if you kick the bass 3 times, it sounds different from using the double pedal RLR. etc.

One of the hardest thing is to be able to do that technique on both feet well, like Lang. Amazing.

[The Fiction We Live]

I use the slide technique only because that is what I naturally started using. Before I even knew what the two techniques were I was using the slide technique. So in my opinion I would use whatever feels more comfortable.

[lasirk]

hmm, thanks for the vid, it seems like heeltoe backwards. maybe I do heel to wrong, cause I kind of slide my foot up to do doubles, if I slid back down, seems like I could go forever, that seems worth practicing, thanks :thumb: