*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[bobby__johnny]

Clean Thread.

Basically, you describe the sound your looking for, and the other members will try their best to find a cymbal to match.

example:

Q:I want a crash that will stand up to live, unmiced metal, but not sound dead or unmusical.

A:AAX Metal Crash

Jim, if you could sticky this, and close the old one please? :thumb:

[Massik Kretal]

what is the best crash i can get...a cheap one but....mid quality....a nice warm crash that blends?

EDIT- First post! :thumb:

[Plan B.]

Sweet!

Ah, new thread.

[bobby__johnny]

what is the best crash i can get...a cheap one but....mid quality....a nice warm crash that blends?

look into Paiste Innovations and Sabian XS20. unfortunatly, dark and affordable dont often mix. as the pitch goes down, the price usually goes up.

[bobby__johnny]

*Bump*

[playwithfire]

What's a more versatile, controllable ride, 21" A Rock, or 22" A Ping? It needs to be useful in a variety of settings, but be strong enough to be heard over 2 guitars and a bass in a live setting.

[Reaganista]

21" Rock is more versatile. Neither of those will have volume issues.

[bobby__johnny]

the Rock wont be all stick definition. you'll have a bit of audible wash.

[poppinfresh]

i need something bright and pingy with a nice sounding bell. Kind of between aa metal x and stagg myra. Not too washy. but versatile enough to be used in most styles.

[groomits]

^^ AAX dry ride?

and soon bobby will able to tell you how good it is :thumb:

[drummerdude9574]

im hearin about a 21" a Sweet ride? any good?

[playwithfire]

It doesn't live up to it's reputation, but it's a decent ride. It's crashable, washy, and has a nice bell.

[drummerdude9574]

i play mostly rock and medal, some jazz, think that would be a good ride for me?

[poppinfresh]

im hearin about a 21" a Sweet ride? any good?

I love the sound of the sweet ride but its just way too much wash for what i need to use it for.

[Massik Kretal]

what is the sabian equivelent of A's?

[poppinfresh]

aa metal x

[playwithfire]

i play mostly rock and medal, some jazz, think that would be a good ride for me?Not in metal. It would fit in Jazz though, and some Rock, doesn't have the same ping sound most rock drummers love though.

[Hyper Kid]

im hearin about a 21" a Sweet ride? any good?

It's one of the nicest ride i've ever heard in my life. It has a lot of "give" for a ride cymbal. Nice sounding crash. People said that the wash can overcome the ping sound, but that really depends on what stick you're using. I use Vinnie Colaiuta sticks and i can hear the ping nice and clear.

[Hyper Kid]

What's a more versatile, controllable ride, 21" A Rock, or 22" A Ping? It needs to be useful in a variety of settings, but be strong enough to be heard over 2 guitars and a bass in a live setting.

Hey there, I think 20" A Ping Ride would be more versatile than those 2 rides u mentioned above. Even though it's 20", it's till loud & can be heard in loud situations.

Also, just curious, r u mic'ing your kit live?

[groomits]

what is the sabian equivelent of A's?


AA/AAX

[bobby__johnny]

A.Zildjian - AA
A Custom - AAX
Z Custom - AA Metal-X
K. Zildjian/K Custom - HHX/Hand Hammered

[rishjo15]

What's the cheapest place to get a Sabian XS20 Rock Ride? Thanks

[drummerdude9574]

well i use pro mark 7A's. Ive tried this ride out like a bizillion times but im not sure if the wash would ruin the sound of the ping like on stage? Would the ping be able to be hurd as much as it should be?

[drummerdude9574]

that was the Zildjian 21" Sweet ride

[boss]

What's the cheapest place to get a Sabian XS20 Rock Ride? Thanks

look for one at your music store

[Massik Kretal]

Ok I got $150 from Christmas. I need a ride and or hi hats. I no I can only get one though. I am looking for good quality warm sounding hats. Somthing Bonham sounding. Or a nice ride that doesnt have to many overtones but just enough to crash on. Please help.

[hihatx]

you an get this awsome cleener that takes everything off and it doesnt reaLLY CHANGE THE SOUND MUCH OF CORSE CHANGING THE SOUND LITTLE BIT IS INEVIDALE

[Plan B.]

Check out some K model hats massik.

[rollhockey77]

Well for xmas I got a 16' A Custom Crash...regular.

I put it up and well, its to bright for my tastes. My other crash is a z custom medium. What do you guys recommend me to get instead of the 16' A custom? Preferably a zildjian in the a custom line...or something that is good for rock/punk music.

btw all my other cymbals are A Customs (a custom mastersound hats...a custom ping ride)

EDIT: I want a bright cymbal...but not tooo bright like that A Custom. Any K cymbals cuz those are SWEET :naughty:

[Janitor]

you an get this awsome cleener that takes everything off and it doesnt reaLLY CHANGE THE SOUND MUCH OF CORSE CHANGING THE SOUND LITTLE BIT IS INEVIDALE
What?

[davo_guitarman]

whats a nice cheap crash that has a nice punch to it and has a nice big crash at the same time??? and is good for live gigs

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Well for xmas I got a 16' A Custom Crash...regular.

I put it up and well, its to bright for my tastes. My other crash is a z custom medium. What do you guys recommend me to get instead of the 16' A custom? Preferably a zildjian in the a custom line...or something that is good for rock/punk music.

btw all my other cymbals are A Customs (a custom mastersound hats...a custom ping ride)

EDIT: I want a bright cymbal...but not tooo bright like that A Custom. Any K cymbals cuz those are SWEET :naughty:

You have Z Customs and your complaining about an A Custom 16" crash being too bright?

Look at some A's, maybe a medium thin or medium crash.

[bobby__johnny]

whats a nice cheap crash that has a nice punch to it and has a nice big crash at the same time??? and is good for live gigs

18" Sabian PRO Crash. (not the Sonix Model)

[rollhockey77]

You have Z Customs and your complaining about an A Custom 16" crash being too bright?

Look at some A's, maybe a medium thin or medium crash.

lol i know...but it just sounded wierd for some reason. even my mom was like ewww. didnt go at all with set. i'll look into the mediums. any more suggestions?

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Hmm I have the same cymbal and its great. K's are darker than A's or A Customs, but sitll have a look at perhaps the K Custom Fast crashes.

[bobby__johnny]

if he has Z's in his setup, my guess is that any form of Fast crash is too thin for his playing.

[LostInMusic464]

Lookin' for some good hats to play metal or rock with. Sabian is my brand of choice, but Paiste is good too. I will settle for Zildjian if I can't find anything from the last two companies.

[poppinfresh]

Ok I got $150 from Christmas. I need a ride and or hi hats. I no I can only get one though. I am looking for good quality warm sounding hats. Somthing Bonham sounding. Or a nice ride that doesnt have to many overtones but just enough to crash on. Please help.

If you want a ride with not too many overtones go for aa metal x but you might get sick of the sound after a while
for warm sounding hats paiste innovations

[Iskandar]

Lookin' for some good hats to play metal or rock with. Sabian is my brand of choice, but Paiste is good too. I will settle for Zildjian if I can't find anything from the last two companies.

Zildjian is just as good as Sabian or Paiste.

Good rock/metal hats:

Sabian AAX Metal-X Hats
Sabian AA Rock Hats
Zildjian A Rock Hats
Zildjian A Custom Projection Hats
Zildjian K/Z Dynobeats
Paiste Signature Sound-Edge Hihats

Most or all of these should be available in 13" or 14" sizes, even 15" if you're so inclined.

[drumbum562]

Definetly, Zildjian A custom 16" crash, they sound great, and sound better as they get older.

[bobby__johnny]

Lookin' for some good hats to play metal or rock with. Sabian is my brand of choice, but Paiste is good too. I will settle for Zildjian if I can't find anything from the last two companies.

14" AAX Stage Hats. Best allaround pairing Ever

[rollhockey77]

any other suggestions?

[bobby__johnny]

14" AA Regular Hats. Maybe The Sizzles as well.

[slaytalica25]

how are the zildjian k/z dyno beat hats? i think justin foley from killswitch uses them and they sound pretty good.
p.s. thanks for the new thread.

[Iskandar]

14" AA Regular Hats. Maybe The Sizzles as well.

Those are just great all-around hats. But maybe you know some Sabian hats that are a little more "rock-ish"? I don't know their catalogue that well.

[LostInMusic464]

Just found a set of Paiste 2002 14" Heavy hats. I can't wait until I get em. Do you think they will be good for rock and metal?

[rishjo15]

I'm probably gonna order my Sabian XS20 rock ride from midwestpercussion.com. It looks like the only place that carries it under $100. What are the best online stores for cymbals and drum stuff?

[LostInMusic464]

You might wanna check www.massmusic.net or www.musiciansfriend.com.

[Iskandar]

Just found a set of Paiste 2002 14" Heavy hats. I can't wait until I get em. Do you think they will be good for rock and metal?

Yep, should be great for rock.

[ForiegnPenguin]

I was thinking of buying a Paiste 20 inch Rude Ride cymbal. Can someone describe what it sounds like, volume ect.......

[Fuzzy]

14" AAX Stage Hats. Best allaround pairing Ever
Hell yeah! Got some for Christmas, I can use them for anything. I love them so.

[boss]

are saluda splashes any good?

[blackmacabre]

k my crashes i plan to get real soon are 16 and 18 aax plosions and im wondering what would be a good ride size of 20 inches along the sabian line that would crash nice along with my 18 that has a nice bell and good enough ping thats versatile.

[bobby__johnny]

i certainly wouldnt advise buying those Xplosion crashes as your only 2 crashes. they arent really all that versatile.

as for a ride, AA medium Rides crash nicely.

[drumbum562]

I posted this as a new thread, but they want me to post it in here. So im lookin for splash cymbal, i guess something to go with my a customs.

[drummerdude9574]

yeah A customs are great! and no saluda splashes are terrible, i hate them

[Iskandar]

i certainly wouldnt advise buying those Xplosion crashes as your only 2 crashes. they arent really all that versatile.

as for a ride, AA medium Rides crash nicely.

Are you sure? They seem like versatile crashes to me. They're medium-thin, which is a good weight for crashes in my opinion.

[-TheGlassPrison-]

the AAX splash.. i dunno if thats the real name.. i think its 10"

[bobby__johnny]

Are you sure? They seem like versatile crashes to me. They're medium-thin, which is a good weight for crashes in my opinion.

oh yeah, the weight is perfect, but the sound is far too fast and punchy. suppose you wanted to have some continuous crashing in a groove.....they would not be very good at all.

look into a 16" AAX Stage Crash, and 18" AA Medium Crash.....that is most definatly the most versatile combo in my eyes.

[-TheGlassPrison-]

mmm... 16" AAX stage crash... beautiful cymbal... soon to have one of my own:)

[bobby__johnny]

i'll probably be looking at an 18" if i can find one :thumb:

[-TheGlassPrison-]

Theres one around here... but im not saying anything because it shall be mine:)
Suckerrrrrrr:p

[Iskandar]

oh yeah, the weight is perfect, but the sound is far too fast and punchy. suppose you wanted to have some continuous crashing in a groove.....they would not be very good at all.

look into a 16" AAX Stage Crash, and 18" AA Medium Crash.....that is most definatly the most versatile combo in my eyes.

I've used a 16" AAXplosion for that...it works. But yeah, the Stage Crash would be better. Both are excellent crashes.

[Hyper Kid]

I just bought 22" K Custom High Definition Ride. Man, it's like one of the most beautiful sounding ride i've ever heard in my life.

Sound Characteristics :-

-Very similar to Old K ride and K Constantinople rides but the overtone is more controlled. (I havent really played an vintage K ride, only read their sound characteristics from a magazine).

-Great stick articulation, it sounds like "tick" rather than "ping" , "tiss" or "ting". (this also depends on the stick and the condition of the tip of the stick).

-Not much overtone, so you still can hear the stick sound nice and clear, unlike K Custom Dry Light Ride, Dark Ride.

-very rapid decay.

Application :- Jazz/Bebop and other styles similar to those. The ride isnt very loud for its size, so it wouldnt be good in loud, unmic'ed live situations.
It is not a versatile ride, IMO it's only good for jazz.

I hope I make sense, and if anyone else owns K Custom High Definition Ride and would like to add anything.. please do so.

Cheerz,

Ivan

[WEBUILTTHISCITYONROCKANDROLL]

Hey, I need a second crash to go with my set. The crash I have right now is a Medium Sabian AA 16". I need a lighter/more high pitched sounding noise for rock, and was wondering what type of cymbals I should look into at the Music Store..

[Plan B.]

Sounds good Hyper Kid, I really wanna try one of those out.

[Smurf38]

What ride is used in Crazy In Love by Beyonce cause i love the sound.

[Hyper Kid]

What ride is used in Crazy In Love by Beyonce cause i love the sound.

most likely they're not using a drummer... just a synthesizer or drum machine or something.

[Der Meister]

Bibby, or others. I tried out the 16" AAXplosion crash (again) and the 18" AAX dark crash, i liked the difference in sounds, but i'm still stumped for a ride. I can't seem to find one i love yet. Quite bright. minimal wash, but some wash and nice and pingy.

[bobby__johnny]

AA Dry ride would be nice.

[drummer_aaron]

could anyone recomend a mini china for me, i am looking to purchase one just to add some variety to my splashs

one of my friends has a 12 inch aax mini china, and its sweeet, i even offered to sell my soul for it, but he wont haha

so any help woudl do on which are best sounding

[bobby__johnny]

many will tell your here that Wuhan is unrivaled. quite cheap too. however, if you want some tone too, you would probably end up looking at a bigger name brand of cymbals.

so, my suggestions:

the ever popular 14" wuhan

or my personal pick: the 14" HHX Evolution Mini-Chinese.

[groomits]

hey bobby can you tell me the difference between AA and AAX? I know you told it on the cymbals thread but I don't remember...

[bobby__johnny]

AA - small impact hammering. Wide open sound. Perfect for live gigs.

AAX - wide Impact hammering. Incereased control, but sound is a bit more focused and tight. response at all dynamics is much better (i.e - an AAX Metal Cras can still sound fairly good at low volumes). excellent in the studio

[groomits]

thank you, but what do you mean by small and wide impact hammering?

[bobby__johnny]

if you look at the hammer marks, you will see that AA's have small hammer marks, and the AAX's have larger Hammer Marks.

[Kaptor306]

im in search of a new crash from any brand. I would like it to be from 17-19" and have it sound musical, but yet be able to cut through a heavy metal band without ringing for 10 seconds. Thanks in advance

[Plan B.]

Try an 18" A Custom Projection crash. It's thicker than the regular A Custom crash, will have more sustain but still has musical qualities to it.

[bobby__johnny]

maybe an AA Medium crash?

[InCasinoOut]

I'm looking for a versatile 20 inch ride, preferably around the A Zildjian price range, and not too bright. I hear the ping rides are nice, what do you guys think?

[bobby__johnny]

AAX Stage Ride.

[Seafroggys]

Double post, sorry. These forums bomb a lot.

[Seafroggys]

maybe an AA Medium crash?

Yay! I just picked up an 18" one, I'm so happy. It rings and decays like hell, but I'll know I'll get used to it (a bit different from all the thin dark crashes I've played on the last couple of years).

[bobby__johnny]

i got a 16" on Wednesday :thumb:

[Iskandar]

I'm looking for a versatile 20 inch ride, preferably around the A Zildjian price range, and not too bright. I hear the ping rides are nice, what do you guys think?

I have a 20" A Ping. Yes, it's very versatile. A nice solid 'ting', clear definition with enough low overtones to blend in and balance the bright attack. Go for it for sure. :) :thumb:

[chaos_through_order_13]

i'm looking for a bright crash without too much sustain, preferably within the 150-200 dollar price range. i was looking at a 17" A Custom Crash on the internet, and it sounded great, but i know internet recordings can sound different from when they're played live, so i was hoping somebody could tell me about how it sounds live, or give me some more suggestions for crashes :thumb: thanks

[Seafroggys]

i'm looking for a bright crash without too much sustain, preferably within the 150-200 dollar price range. i was looking at a 17" A Custom Crash on the internet, and it sounded great, but i know internet recordings can sound different from when they're played live, so i was hoping somebody could tell me about how it sounds live, or give me some more suggestions for crashes :thumb: thanks

Sabian AA 18" Medium Crash.

[Hyper Kid]

i'm looking for a bright crash without too much sustain, preferably within the 150-200 dollar price range. i was looking at a 17" A Custom Crash on the internet, and it sounded great, but i know internet recordings can sound different from when they're played live, so i was hoping somebody could tell me about how it sounds live, or give me some more suggestions for crashes :thumb: thanks

I have a 17" A Custom Crash. It's a versatile crash.. opens up beautifully, you dont have to smash it to get a good sound out of it. I prefer playing A Custom crash than A Custom Projection or Fast Crash.

Nice tone, nice shimmer, just the right amount of decay, doesnt drown out the sound of the drums.... it's simply one of the best crashes in the market. And sometimes here in Australia A Custom crashes are sold at about 40% off.. so that's a good thing coz i got all my A Custom crashes at that price.

[Massik Kretal]

I have a few questions:

1. What is better Paragon or AA Metal X Splash? (I play rock and metal type music, also classic rock)

2. Is AA Metal X like Z Customs? Or AAX Metal cymbals? And which ever one it is...is it bad and non-versitile like Z Customs?

3. What should I get if I sell my Z Customs for 230 (or around there)? I want knew crashes. A's or Customs or AA Dark Crash...or anything else you recommend.

[playwithfire]

1. I prefer Paragons, they aren't as heavy, and have a more musical sound to them imo.

2. AA Metal X and AAX Metal would be...the exact same thing. AA Metal X is like the AAX version of AA Metal, and the difference between AAX and AA has been mentioned by Bobby already. They are less versatile than pretty much any other Sabian cymbal, but they are still more versatile than Z Customs imo. They *are* the Sabian versions of Z Customs however.

3. If you're used to smashing on Z Customs watch out if you switch to A Customs. The difference in thickness is pretty big. Only get rid of your Z Customs if you want to, replace them if you find cymbals you like better. Otherwise, no use replacing cymbals just because people on an internet message board think you should.

[Massik Kretal]

I no...I want to get rid of them becuase they are garbage. I got them becuase I was dumb before. I used to like the sound but not anymore. Im more into classic al rock sounds.

[Seafroggys]

I no...I want to get rid of them becuase they are garbage. I got them becuase I was dumb before. I used to like the sound but not anymore. Im more into classic al rock sounds.

Ah, a good classic rock sound?

A Zildjians, AA Sabians, and Paiste 2002s are great cymbals for that music. 2002s were specifically designed for classic rock, and were made famous by John Bonham, but are pretty **** expensive.

[Massik Kretal]

AA Dark Crash is that good? Like a nice soft crash but I also want a normal one. Stage crash what would this sound like?

[ilikenoise]

I have a 17" A Custom Crash. It's a versatile crash.. opens up beautifully, you dont have to smash it to get a good sound out of it. I prefer playing A Custom crash than A Custom Projection or Fast Crash.

Nice tone, nice shimmer, just the right amount of decay, doesnt drown out the sound of the drums.... it's simply one of the best crashes in the market. And sometimes here in Australia A Custom crashes are sold at about 40% off.. so that's a good thing coz i got all my A Custom crashes at that price.

Knows the score

The 17" A Custom is most versatile and still amazing crash out there.

[bobby__johnny]

2002s were specifically designed for classic rock, and were made famous by John Bonham, but are pretty **** expensive.

actually, they were designed for the time. because at the time, that variation of Rock wasnt "classic" Rock....it was Modern Rock.

[SkaRabbit]

looking for a crash. like someone earlier sed will cut through music and not rin on for ages afterwards.
£70 all i can afford though

[Seafroggys]

actually, they were designed for the time. because at the time, that variation of Rock wasnt "classic" Rock....it was Modern Rock.

Well yeah, that's what I meant. I put it into perspective.

[bobby__johnny]

2. AA Metal X and AAX Metal would be...the exact same thing. AA Metal X is like the AAX version of AA Metal, and the difference between AAX and AA has been mentioned by Bobby already. They are less versatile than pretty much any other Sabian cymbal, but they are still more versatile than Z Customs imo. They *are* the Sabian versions of Z Customs however.


that seems just a little confusing to me...so if your looking at loud *** Sabian Cymbals that are compareable to Z Customs, this is how i'd put it.

AAX Metal > AA Rock > AA Metal-X

then you can get into darker heavy cymbals such as Hand Hammered Rock, and HHX Power models.

[boss]

whats a good loud crash to end off a tom roll with, preferably the AAX line
i have about 170 CDN to spend

[bobby__johnny]

if your REALLY want an AAX, go with a 18" Stage Crash i'd say.

but look into the HHX....they would do the trick better i would think.

[I'd Hit it]

*Raises hand* My turn ^_^

I've got more or less 200$(Canadian) to spend on a new ride to replace my ZBT Plus. The ones I will be sure to try out are A ping ride, HH raw bell dry ride,maybe some HHX and even K/K custom. My only concern is will I have enuff $$ for a good ride with 200?

[socialanxiety]

Yeah, $200 is enough for a good ride, I'd go for the A ping personally, but what you should do is go to the shop, try out every ride for $200 and less, and buy the one that you think sounds the best. Make sure not to just tap the rides with a stick, but ask to have it put on a kit so you can check out how it sounds in context with the music.

[I'd Hit it]

yeah I know I'll be standing in their cymbal room for a good half hour before I choose anything. Going from one ride to another tapping only the bell usually gets a certain ride to catch my ear quickly.

[Der Meister]

don't go to the shop with a limit on your spending, if the one you want is out of your price range save up.

[hyperdrummer]

im lookin for new hi hats, ride, and a crash, maybe a splash and i need help on what i should get. I'm on a 500$ budget and i was lookin at the zildjian a series, but i dont think thats in my price range. I'm also lookin for cymbal stands for them, if u can help me with that.

[Plan B.]

I figure I got my ride cymbal for a decent price - around $250 CDN. It's a 22" model in the K Custom line, so if you're into those types of rides I would suggest saving a up a little more than $200. A 20" A Custom Ping goes for around $210 here I believe.

[sammysticks]

hi guys i am looking for a top of the range hi-hat, i have £250 and am willing to spend all of it. i play mainly rock and like bright sounding hi-hats. any help is much appreciated.

thanks :thumb:

[PowerStamp]

I just bought an 18" PARAGON and a 17" AAXPlosion, and while both are great, they sound beautiful, I'm looking for what will be my 3rd crash, probably from the HH/HHX line...

I want something that's dark with not a lot of overtones, fairly quick decay.

[llama123]

^ 17" HHXplosion, or maybe an HHX Evolution 18" ^

[Vespa]

K dark crash- 17"

[bobby__johnny]

I want something that's dark with not a lot of overtones, fairly quick decay.

HHX Studio Crash

[rollhockey77]

I'm looking for something new (crash)

What are your guys opinion on say a 17' A Custom Projection Crash?
I like bright cymbals (like the z custom medium crash is awesome IMO).

any suggestions?

[bobby__johnny]

if you thnk the Z's sound awesome, than that A Custom Projection will melt your ears in tone.

[rollhockey77]

Aight thanks man. I'm gonna head out to guitar center and check em out.

Cant wait to spend xmas money on cymbal lol

and sammysticks: Check out the A Custom Mastersound hats. They are the most beautiful things i've heard

[rollhockey77]

srry double post

[Massik Kretal]

AA Dark Crash is that good? Like a nice soft crash but I also want a normal one. Stage crash what would this sound like?

Can I please get an answer.

[Plan B.]

hi guys i am looking for a top of the range hi-hat, i have £250 and am willing to spend all of it. i play mainly rock and like bright sounding hi-hats. any help is much appreciated.

thanks :thumb:

Some models to check out (very general :p):

AAX Fusion's
AAX Stage's
AAX Xcelorater's

AA Rock's
AA Fusion's
AA Reg's

A Custom Projectoin/Mastersound's

A Mastersounds

[Plan B.]

Can I please get an answer.


Do you mean the AAX Dark crash?

There's one at my lessons, it's a very thin crash for sure - pretty broad dark shimmering sound. It's werid because it's in a brilliant finish, which I think would brighten it up, but it's really dark. Try it out for sure, you may or may not like it.

[bobby__johnny]

Brilliant Finishes Darken a bit actually.....but i would hold off and look at some HHX or Hand Hammered Models instead. this way you get your choice of weights....not just "thin"

[slickrick1688]

Im looking to make some sabian maxx stax our of some zildjian cymbals, what would i use if its possible to be made with zildjians?

[Massik Kretal]

Im looking to make some sabian maxx stax our of some zildjian cymbals, what would i use if its possible to be made with zildjians?

what is up with the staxx, on musicians friend theres no sizes its low mid high. wtf? :confused:

[slickrick1688]

what is up with the staxx, on musicians friend theres no sizes its low mid high. wtf? :confused:

it goes, 8 on 8, 10 on 10, and 12 on 14

[bobby__johnny]

well, if you can find a chinese cymbal in 8",10", or 12", then your in luck.

then stack it on top of a splash or crash, and your set.

[theawddone]

Debating over whether to replace my ZBT ride or hihats... for a ride I'm looking into something with a lot of stick definitionq, and I don't know what I want from my hihats, but something versatile (usable in death metal and classic rock). The only ride that really caught my ear at Sam Ash was a Zildjian Ping Ride, any other suggestions from other brands? Hi-Hat suggestions would be appreciated as well, thanks.

[bobby__johnny]

well, the Sabian AA Rock ride has always been a ride that perked my ear. as for hats, maybe some A. New Beats or AAX Stage Hats.

[Kosmos Tree]

Well, yesterday my China finally "died" so i need a new one.

Now i'm bit short on budget and i guess some advice would be good.
I want a trashy and explosive china in 16".

I was thinking about getting a Wuhan, but i'm unsure about their durability, and i don't want to buy a new one in 4 months.

Some others i had in mind:
Paiste 802/Alpha
Sabian ProSonix
Meinl Raker/Amun

I try to test as many cymbals as possible but i don't have a store here with a good selection, so any advice is appreciated :)

[bobby__johnny]

Amun is a very versatile line...probably along the same tones of AA i believe....the Pro Sonix isnt really that trashy, but the regular PRO model is a good allaround china...same goes with the B8 Pro model.

[LiquidTensionTheatre]

At the moment I have the Peavey Hi-hats that came with my kit, Peavey Ride and a Stagg 16" Crash, I have quite a bit of money saved up and was wondering:

a) whether to add to my cymbals eg. a splash, second crash, X-hat

b) Sell my cymbals and replace them for better ones.

I play a lot of progressive metal/rock, this can be difficult with just the one crash cymbal and no splash or anything. Also, which ARE better, sabian or zildjian? Any recommendations?

~Sam~

[Jezen]

Lookin for a non cymbal giant equivalent of a zil/ice bell. Any help?

[bobby__johnny]

LP Icebell.

b) Sell my cymbals and replace them for better one

that would be a better idea for your needs. and you dont need a ton of cymbals to play progressive rock. big kit syndrome occurs as a misconception of needing such sizes for metal and prog.

[LiquidTensionTheatre]

ok thanks, any ideas? I know the names of some different types of cymbals, but don't know how they relate to sounds etc... A friend said Zildjian ZXTs are a good choice, another said a Sabian AAX's... neither of them are reputably well-informed though...

~Sam~

[bobby__johnny]

well, ZXT arent very great. AAX's a a great line, but too focused in my opinion.

lines to look for.

Zildjian: A, A Custom
Sabian: AA, AAX
Paiste: Innovations, 2002

these are all fairly affordable cymbals of excellent quality. all are Professional models too.

[groomits]

Also, which ARE better, sabian or zildjian? Any recommendations?

There is no really better lines... Zildjian and Sabian are fairly the same quality. I think that Paiste signature is a little better, but I dont know much about paiste.

[bobby__johnny]

Sabian = Paiste = Zildjian.....doesnt matter what you buy from these brands when you go high quality...its all gonna be good.

Paiste has the advantage in low end cymbals though.

[bobby__johnny]

Jim...I think this needs another sticky :thumb:

Thanks

[SkaRabbit]

not a help thing but. in the uk. a online store www.drumshop.co.uk in special offers is selling sabian pro sonix performance set £155 but zbt performance set £168...lol

[SkaRabbit]

wow and sabian AAX cymbals for £220= 14" hi hats, 16" crash, 20" ride and a free cymbal case. as a set. now thats darn good

[Plan B.]

Sticky!

:cool:

[davo_guitarman]

Ok Everyone I Want A Good Pakage In Australian Dollars Of Cheap Cymbals That Are Sabians Or Paiste Cymbals , I Need A Set Of Hi Hats, Crash , And A Ride, I Play Rock I Have The Factory Cymbals And Theyre Absolute Crap Btw Sorry Bout The Caps Lock My Caps Key Is Screwed.....

[GooseFilms.net]

todays my bday, and i just got $100 from my parents. also im having a party saturday, which will probably bring in a minimum of $200, and that can mean only one thing: Time for a new ride cymbal.

I love the zildjian k custom line, and currently im leaning towards the 20" K Custom Ride, but before i commit to anything, are there any more cymbals like this i might be interested in? Something fairly dark enough wash to give it a body but not so much that it destroys stick definition. preferably something that can cut through fairly loud music, but don't let that be the leading factor, it will probably just mean I'll take the smaller ride model over the larger. Any good sabian recommendations are also appreciated, dont bother with paiste though, theyre just too expensive

[Double Bass Jim]

Jim...I think this needs another sticky :thumb:

Thanks
Right on.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

mmmm K Customs rides sound great, a really warm dark sound with a bit of wash but still good stick definition, great bell. from Zildjian I'd look at the K and K heavy rides, from Sabian... maybe a hhx evolution ride, I'm sure bobby could give you some info on some Sabian rides to look into.

[llama123]

Umm one thing.
I take it by the 'HH' part of the HHX Sabian line that they are hand hammered.
Am i correct in thinking this?

Thanks,
Tom

[bobby__johnny]

yes. Hand Hammered and HHX are hammered by Hand, and hand only.

Ok Everyone I Want A Good Pakage In Australian Dollars Of Cheap Cymbals That Are Sabians Or Paiste Cymbals , I Need A Set Of Hi Hats, Crash , And A Ride, I Play Rock I Have The Factory Cymbals And Theyre Absolute Crap Btw Sorry Bout The Caps Lock My Caps Key Is Screwed.....

sabian Pro/Sonix or Xs20, and Paiste 802 or Alpha. medium priced, medium-high range cymbals.

[oVeRmYhEaD]

yes. Hand Hammered and HHX are hammered by Hand, and hand only.

Why is the Hand Hammered line the most expensive then? What qualities over HHX does it have?

[PowerStamp]

Just an update...
I am possibly very happy now! I just bid on some 13" Groove Hats, the exact model and size I was wanting, in "near-new" condition (still has barcode sticker, look totally new, slightly used), and hopefully I will win them.

[Kev]

I'm thinking of getting the Sabian Pro 14" Hi-Hats, AAX 16" Plosion crash, and an 18" crash. I can't decide what to get for the 18". I want it to be something that sounds similar to the 16" Plosion, but still noticably different if I hit the two. I want it to sound semi-heavy to heavy with a medium decay (i'm not sure if it's called decay, but I'm trying to say with not a long sustain but also not a short sustain?). I'm thinking of either the AA Medium or AA Medium Thin. What do you guys think? I also don't have a big budget.

Also, what do you guys think about the Pro Hats? Would I be fine with those or do I REALLY need to invest in a higher line?

[Money$hot]

Now that I've got a Rockstar custom Fusion kit, I wanna upgrade my cymbals too. My ZXT hats, ride and crash just don't sound like they really go with the kit, but my Avedis thin splash sounds really nice. I really want to stick with Zildjian though, and I'll probably start by upgrading the hats and ride first. I'm not too familiar with the different Zildjian ranges though as far as which ones work better for death metal over which ones I would want for my fusion kit. What would sound good for more laid-back alt-rock [in the quietest to loudest range of say, Pearl Jam]? Thanks

[bobby__johnny]

Why is the Hand Hammered line the most expensive then? What qualities over HHX does it have?

Hand Hammered And HHX are Equally priced....at least they should be anyway. if one is more expensive than the other at your store (Provided both are same size) then their doing something wrong. bring it to their attention.

as for HHX/HH differences....the HHX line is a tad brighter, and has enhanced projection. the HH line is your traditional dark sounds...on the lines of K's and such.

[-TheGlassPrison-]

Yeh, HHX are very dark.. They Are Country/Pop Cymbals IMO... altouhg there are 1 or 2 i like..
i just am not a fan of the extreamly long sound..

[bobby__johnny]

HHX's aremt nessessairly Long sounding.....perhaps you heard a big heavy crash?

[Gex]

My drum teacher had one of these a long time ago...

It's a cymbal, it had litle pins in holes so when you hit it it the pins would bounce up and down. I think he said it was a china swish or something...

[Plan B.]

Yeah, they're called rivets, they can put into any cymbal really. A think a Swish is a riveted China cymbal. They're used to make the cymbal sizzle and sustain longer.

[poppinfresh]

Lookin for a non cymbal giant equivalent of a zil/ice bell. Any help?

Camber. :wave:

[llama123]

Question: I believe zildjian hammer their cymbals by machines which randomly hammer the cymbal all over - does Sabian do this aswell? (bar Hand Hammered and HHX).

Also, what is the advantage of hand hammering cymbals?

I know it's been said before, although it really bothers me :( - I mean, what if the man/women who is hammering the cymbals is just in it for the money and couldn't care less about the production?!

:(

Tom

[bobby__johnny]

does Sabian do this aswell? (bar Hand Hammered and HHX).

no, their machine made models are made with precision machine shaping.

Also, what is the advantage of hand hammering cymbals?

to attain a more personal, traditional sound. the first cymbals were made by hand, so why shouldnt current ones?

I know it's been said before, although it really bothers me - I mean, what if the man/women who is hammering the cymbals is just in it for the money and couldn't care less about the production?!

if they keep producing inferior cymbals, their probably fired.

[llama123]

^ *huge sigh of reliefe* :)

[llama123]

^ *huge sigh of reliefe* :)

[Gex]

So, where could I get one. Or do I have to put the rivets on myself, is there a place online to order or something. I've nevers seen them in stores

[Plan B.]

I wouldn't suggest putting them in yourself unless you know what you're doing, because while drilling you could potentially F up your cymbal. Some cymbals come pre-riveted already from the manufacturer, but they are few and far between. Ask your local shop about doing rivets, they can point you in the right direction.

[Gex]

I wouldn't suggest putting them in yourself unless you know what you're doing, because while drilling you could potentially F up your cymbal. Some cymbals come pre-riveted already from the manufacturer, but they are few and far between. Ask your local shop about doing rivets, they can point you in the right direction.Ok, cool. They have such an awesome sound. I'm really working on getting cash to "up" my set!

[szenarox]

i play mostly loud stuff. i'm looking for a new ride at the moment. I want something dark and dry but loud as heck at the same time with a nice loud bell. I was thinking of getting the z custom mega bell ride, but it rings alot. i was also looking into a K heavy ride, an A series earth ride, or a z custom power ride, and sticking a zil bell on top for a bell. any suggestions? :confused:

[Plan B.]

Ok, cool. They have such an awesome sound. I'm really working on getting cash to "up" my set!


Yeah for sure, great sound.

Another idea would be to use a flat ride for a riveted cymbal, you'll get a really cool sound out of that, so look into them as well.

[bobby__johnny]

i play mostly loud stuff. i'm looking for a new ride at the moment. I want something dark and dry but loud as heck at the same time with a nice loud bell. I was thinking of getting the z custom mega bell ride, but it rings alot. i was also looking into a K heavy ride, an A series earth ride, or a z custom power ride, and sticking a zil bell on top for a bell. any suggestions? :confused:

The K. Heavy is the way to go :thumb:

[DaVe!!]

i have a 16" aaxplosion and i want a lager crash that will go with it. i am thinking of getting one of the next three:
18" aaxplosion crash
18" aa rock crash
18" sonix crash
what would you guys suggest?

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Look at the aaxpolsion or the aa rock, don't go down to sonix if you already have an aax

[llama123]

I don't have pictures yet so this doesn't deserve a thread (hense why I decided to tell everyone in here [sorry, i know this isn't the aim of this thread]) ... I got a Sabian 17" HHXtreme crash today :D. I tried every single crash the store had and this one just seemed to stand out to me. It's fast, reasonably dark and is raw and aggressive - just what I wanted for my kit :). I will be sure to get some pictures up as soon as i figure out how!

Thanks,
Tom

[bobby__johnny]

i have a 16" aaxplosion and i want a lager crash that will go with it. i am thinking of getting one of the next three:
18" aaxplosion crash
18" aa rock crash
18" sonix crash
what would you guys suggest?

18" AA Medium Crash :thumb:

I got a Sabian 17" HHXtreme crash today . I tried every single crash the store had and this one just seemed to stand out to me. It's fast, reasonably dark and is raw and aggressive

AWESOME cymbal.....congratulations, you are the 2nd recipient of the Bobby Johnny Seal.

http://www.bcjournal.net/users/Erich/avatars/Erich-1105580607.jpg

[llama123]

^ lol

woohoo! :wave:

[Plan B.]

Haha, nice!

[sublimeisnice]

ok the time has come for me to splurge again, i want two more crashes, to brighten up my set....

i can get a good deal if i get 17"aa medium crash and 19 " a custom
or if i get a 15" and 17" aa medium....

i already have a crashes that are 16 and 18, so what sizes do you guys think would be good, i bet the 19 a custom is amazingly strong and the 17 aa would blend really nice with every thing else i have....im not sure about gettina 15" cymbal, it would be good for small accents but i use my 16" k custom for that a lot...so id love you hear your opinions...price isnt an issue here , as for all of them id be getting really good deals.

edit: also whats anyones opinion on the a custom medium crashes....are the reg a customs that thin?

[bobby__johnny]

i've played a 19" A Custom once....Friggin bright...even for a 19"

the 17" Medium would be a good choice too. that will brighten up too....go for the Medium and A Custom combo. nice choices.

then its a new kit i suppose?....everything else on your kit kicks ***.

[Iskandar]

ok the time has come for me to splurge again, i want two more crashes, to brighten up my set....

i can get a good deal if i get 17"aa medium crash and 19 " a custom
or if i get a 15" and 17" aa medium....

i already have a crashes that are 16 and 18, so what sizes do you guys think would be good, i bet the 19 a custom is amazingly strong and the 17 aa would blend really nice with every thing else i have....im not sure about gettina 15" cymbal, it would be good for small accents but i use my 16" k custom for that a lot...so id love you hear your opinions...price isnt an issue here , as for all of them id be getting really good deals.

edit: also whats anyones opinion on the a custom medium crashes....are the reg a customs that thin?

There are no A Custom medium crashes, as far as I know. There's the A Custom Crash (thin), Projection Crash (medium-thin) and Fast Crash (thin).

[Gex]

Cool, I oughta make a checklist of what to get!

How would a china splash sound with rivets... is there such thing as a china splash...

Wow, I feel stupid

:wave:

[sublimeisnice]

OK, well i just bought the 19" a custom, i trust bobby j with this,... i think i ll pick up the aa medium next week....and then maybe a jam block....but yea then a new set, but thats a few years away. i dont think i need to upgrade my kit anytime soon, even though i play a crappy pulse...i only ever play in my basement with some friends.

[Chubbs724]

There are no A Custom medium crashes, as far as I know. There's the A Custom Crash (thin), Projection Crash (medium-thin) and Fast Crash (thin).

They just realeased them. I just read about them in the new MD.

[llama123]

Ok, I need a crash which will compliment my 17" HHXtreme. Preferably Sabian.

Thanks,
Tom

[bobby__johnny]

16" or 18" HHX Stage Crash.

[Plan B.]

They just realeased them. I just read about them in the new MD.


What issue?

[Chubbs724]

March

[Plan B.]

Oh, don't have that one yet. Looking forward to it.

[Murd_666]

sabian realeased a new cymbal series.. The Vault crashes

[Plan B.]

Yeah, kind of a weird name, but they look pretty nice.

[bobby__johnny]

doesnt look like your typical sabian Labeling either (Aside from HHX)

[Rt6Drummer]

i want the senses fail drummer's (Dan Trapp's) hi-hats, they sound mint, wat does he use, i look at some of the pics on the senses fail site, i saw 2 diff hi-hats A Customs and possibly new beats, but wat kind does he use?

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

I'm pretty sure he uses new beats on the new record. and +rep for liking a kick *** band :)

[lewisniven]

ok, help me here. I need 2 crash's, both to be quick a splashy, but with a good punch to them too (think danny carey, that kinda sound, not that kinda prce). i also need a ride thats loud and suitable for gigging (heavier music) but does not wash for long, more of a loud ping, any ideas?

[rockindrummer]

hey i was wondering what you guys thought of the K Custom 20" pre aged dry light ride?

[Plan B.]

I did not like that ride when I played it. I don't know why, but it seemed dull and blunt to me. Feel free to try it out for yourself though.

[rockindrummer]

alright thanks for the info, does anyone else have any other info about this ride for primarily (sp?) rock and jazzy grooves

[ckyinside]

I got these last year when I got my first new set. We were strapped for cash and we got a Ludwig Accent custom. Not my first choice but i really like the set. We were left with enough money for Sabian B8's. As I develop more as a drummer and discover the sound I like i find that the B8's don't do it anymore. I'm really into metal music but at the same time I am into blues music also. Any suggestions on where to go from here?

Also, this may sound like a stupid question, what reccomendation would you have on cymbals that sound the best but are cheapest?

[bobby__johnny]

i'd say Sabians Pro/Sonix and Paiste's Alpha lines for the budget work.

as for the metal/blues thing, go look for medium weight cymbals. they wont rip heads off with blues, but at the same time, they'll survive metal.

[an_original_name]

^^^ he would probably be fine with medium thin cymbals. i give my medium thin HH crash a good beating and it holds up fine. as long as you use good technique medium thin's should hold up fine.

[your-milkman]

my band just started playing jazzier tunes and my zildian A ping ride just doesnt sound good in the mix. I need a dry ride that has a nice sounding bell when ridden, and i like heavier rides (my current ping ride is 22" from the 80's VERY VERY heavy) i cant really afford a k custom or a k ride, is their any other cymbals at decent prices that can fufill my needs...thanks a bunch!!

[your-milkman]

ok, help me here. I need 2 crash's, both to be quick a splashy, but with a good punch to them too (think danny carey, that kinda sound, not that kinda prce). i also need a ride thats loud and suitable for gigging (heavier music) but does not wash for long, more of a loud ping, any ideas?

try out some paiste crashes, innovations for my preference, amazing sound when miked..and for ride, id say zildjian A or A Custom ping ride...i swear by them :):)

PS Those are cymbals Danny uses

[Dude123]

Looking to get a new main crash and a ride. I will mostly be playing metal, with some rock tossed in, and mabye the odd other style as well. I was thinking an AA Medium 18" crash, as it would be loud enough for metal, but should give me some versatility in usage, but other reccomendations are welcome. Im not too sure on the ride, something loud enough for metal, but versatile enough to be used in other situations.

Thanks

[Plan B.]

Try the AA Rock ride.

Good choice with the crash, should sound great.

[Egnar401]

has anyone played/heard about the sabian AAX stage series? massmusic.net offers the 14" hats, 16" crash, and 20" ride with an export ELX that i am looking at, should i consider the cymbals too?

[Murd_666]

Hell ya the aax stages are awsome

[Murd_666]

also as bobby said before 16" aax stage and a aa medium crash 18" arethe most versitile pair

[Egnar401]

sweet. thanks a ton.

[Plan B.]

The hi-hats are also a great versitile pair too.

[bobby__johnny]

also as bobby said before 16" aax stage and a aa medium crash 18" arethe most versitile pair

i wouldnt say THE most verdatile pair....but they certainly will sound good in just about everything.

[Plan B.]

I'm itching to try out those new Sabian models. That ride looks amazing, and a Vault crash could be a suitable replacement for my cracked crash right now.

[Dude123]

Looking to get a new main crash and a ride. I will mostly be playing metal, with some rock tossed in, and mabye the odd other style as well. I was thinking an AA Medium 18" crash, as it would be loud enough for metal, but should give me some versatility in usage, but other reccomendations are welcome. Im not too sure on the ride, something loud enough for metal, but versatile enough to be used in other situations.


Any more adivce on the crash or ride? Might be headin to the store tonight.

Thanks

EDIT: Went to the store tonight. Listend to some cymbals and ended up with an 17" medium crash, though i really liked the AXXplosion 17" as well. Also picked up the 20" AA rock ride, thank for the suggestion. They both sound awesome!

[Murd_666]

look into a 16" AAX Stage Crash, and 18" AA Medium Crash.....that is most definatly the most versatile combo in my eyes.^but u already did so ha^

[-TheGlassPrison-]

How Are The Paiste 18" Dry Dimensions Rides?
Could I Compare Them To The Sabian Hand Hammered Dry Ride?

[rhcpdude90]

21" Rock is more versatile. Neither of those will have volume issues.

the eagles suck, you're gay

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

wow your first post and your flaming someone, your gonna get on fine here....

I'm itching to try out those new Sabian models. That ride looks amazing, and a Vault crash could be a suitable replacement for my cracked crash right now. hah yeah I'm really looking forward to trying one out, the vault crashes sound like there gonna be hot

[Hyper Kid]

I've read descriptions & sound characteristics on Vintage K rides... I havent tried one myself.

Has anyone played any Old K ride before?
How does it sound like? How would YOU describe the sound?
how does it compare to today's K Constantinople rides (soundwise)?

[l3n]

Hi, could anyone suggest a good sabian/zildjian match to the Paiste Signature Full crashes?

[bobby__johnny]

i'd say AA and A Zildjian Medium Crashes.

[-TheGlassPrison-]

How Are The Paiste 18" Dry Dimensions Rides?
Could I Compare Them To The Sabian Hand Hammered Dry Ride?

Anyone?

[Plan B.]

Any more adivce on the crash or ride? Might be headin to the store tonight.

Thanks

EDIT: Went to the store tonight. Listend to some cymbals and ended up with an 17" medium crash, though i really liked the AXXplosion 17" as well. Also picked up the 20" AA rock ride, thank for the suggestion. They both sound awesome!

Nice choices man!

17" is like the greatest size for a crash.

[bobby__johnny]

and 19" ;)

[Plan B.]

Odd sizes are the way to go, take note people.

[Seafroggys]

I wanted to get a 17" medium AA, and it was listed at Musician's Friend, but not one store in my area had that in sizes, nor was any availble in back order.

[poppinfresh]

Has anyone used the paiste 18" power crash? How does it sound? How would it sound with a full crash of the same suze. Oh they are both signature.

[tigerstripes]

17" is like the greatest size for a crash.

my 17" a custom is my personal favorite of all time for now....I havent met a better for my playing yet.

[tigerstripes]

the eagles suck, you're gay

No they dont cause if they did they wont be where they are in the playoffs. stay on topic fool.

[llama123]

Should the little sticker on the underside the the bell on sabian cymbals be removed?
Or does it not really matter?
I ask as I was wondering if it would affect the natural vibrations of the cymbal at all.

[Plan B.]

I remove mine, I just hate them there. I don't think it would make a difference either way, but everything will effect the cymbal's vibrations.

If you are going to take them off and you get one of those that leaves it's annoying residue behind, just use a little rubbing alcohol with your finger and you can usually get it all off.

[Iskandar]

I've read descriptions & sound characteristics on Vintage K rides... I havent tried one myself.

Has anyone played any Old K ride before?
How does it sound like? How would YOU describe the sound?
how does it compare to today's K Constantinople rides (soundwise)?

Yes, I own one. It's very dark and warm. A bit of trash. A very full sound, not the greatest definition. The bell is clear and really opens up when you use the shaft of the stick.

I would say today's K Constantinoples are a lot drier. Vintage Ks have beautiful overtones, but you won't always get the sound you want. Mine is far too washy for anything loud.

[llama123]

I remove mine, I just hate them there. I don't think it would make a difference either way, but everything will effect the cymbal's vibrations.

If you are going to take them off and you one of those that leaves it's annoying residue behind, just use a little rubbing alcohol with your finger and you can usually get it all off.
Thanks for the help.
Umm this will most definitely sound stupid :(... although with the rubbing alcohol on it business do you mean like a drip of wine or something or pure ethanol?

Tom

[Fuzzy]

You buy it from a drug store, or friggin Wal-Mart. It says "Rubbing Alchohol"

[Plan B.]

Yeah, it's not the stuff that you drink, it's like a house-hold item.

[Hyper Kid]

Yes, I own one. It's very dark and warm. A bit of trash. A very full sound, not the greatest definition. The bell is clear and really opens up when you use the shaft of the stick.

I would say today's K Constantinoples are a lot drier. Vintage Ks have beautiful overtones, but you won't always get the sound you want. Mine is far too washy for anything loud.

wow. thanks for the reply..

if u can.... please take a few pics of it n post it here hehe.

[sublimeisnice]

hello again, i just got a really nice offer for 17" paiste full crash...i was planning on getting a 17" aa medium crash to match my 19 a custom....how would a 17" paiste full crash sound with it...ive heard it at the store and enjoyed it ....but didnt hear it with the 19 " a custom...would they blend?

[Hyper Kid]

hello again, i just got a really nice offer for 17" paiste full crash...i was planning on getting a 17" aa medium crash to match my 19 a custom....how would a 17" paiste full crash sound with it...ive heard it at the store and enjoyed it ....but didnt hear it with the 19 " a custom...would they blend?

Do you have to get the cymbal quick? coz you can always go back to the store with your 19" A Custom crash and try both crashes side by side.

Pesonally i dont like Paiste's sound characteristics, so I wouldnt get the Full crash. Besides here in sydney Zildjian cymbals are cheaper than paistes' .

It's better not to rush when you're getting a cymbal since a lot of money will be spent and it's too much hassle when you actually dont really like the cymbal that much (once you played it on gigs or your practice room at home).

If I were you I would check out :-
17" A Custom Crash
18" A Custom Crash
17" A Custom Projection Crash
18" A Custom Projection Crash
17" K Dark Crash Thin (Brilliant)

[Murd_666]

Pesonally i dont like Paiste's sound characteristics, so I wouldnt get the Full crash. Besides here in sydney Zildjian cymbals are cheaper than paistes' .
I agree with u on that one...I mean the 20" full crash sounds okay i guess but the paiste rude series are the ones i appreciate most out of all the paiste modles. and paistes are pretty ****ing expensive cause one of those full crashes sell for almost $400!! might as well get two 18"a custom medium crashes(new models!!!love there sound)

[bobby__johnny]

I wanted to get a 17" medium AA, and it was listed at Musician's Friend, but not one store in my area had that in sizes, nor was any availble in back order.

ok, heres how i see it. if you have to order it in from the shop in the first place, you might as well get it from the internet and save some money.

i know the cymbal testing sound clips arent accurate completely, but they do give a general feel for the overall character of the cymbal (attack, sustain, wash, chick etc..) but the pitch will be somewhat of a surprise.

[Murd_666]

ok, heres how i see it. if you have to order it in from the shop in the first place, you might as well get it from the internet and save some money.
what do ya mean save money theres shipping and handling but I don't noe about the store ur getting it from but the store where the drum stuff i want doesn't charge ppl for special ordering stuff...

[groomits]

I'm looking to buy a china and a splash. I want to play with something different on my kit.

So, I want a splash wich got a fast decay and not too bright. And a china that is not too loud and produce a great washy sound. and I want that two cymbals to cut trough the music. if that's possible...

any suggestion?

edit : and I got a buget around 130-150$ CND for each cymbal. Seeying that a good splash is like 100$ it gives me more money for a china.

[sublimeisnice]

as far as splashes go , could could try an 8 or 10 " k custom...i have the 8 and it sounds just like that, fast decay and not really bright ...but i doubt think the term cutting describes it...so maybe the 10 would be better....as far as a china, id say go wuhan, 12" its def not too loud but cuts through just fine.

[Osiris X]

Ive got some Paiste 802 14" Hats for sale if anybody is interested.+

[rimshot]

I have mostly z customs with a k splash what would be some hi hats that would compliment these also maybe a ride to replace my z custom power ride.

[sublimeisnice]

It depends what your looking for in sound...for a ride if you want a nice loud ping with little wash and a really loud bell try the aax metal ride, if instead you want a lot of wash and a really nice more blended bell sound try HH raw bell dry ride. instead of telling us what your replacing, tell us the sound you want for your new cymbal.

[rimshot]

Ok I still want a ride with a loud bell but with less wash. And for hi hats i want them to have a warm sound with a bright chick that will cutt through.

[3rdplanet]

I'm looking for a Splash cymbal, but I'm not sure how to describe the sound I'm looking for.

I don't want a really overbearing sound from the cymbal, just a little punctuation for a few places. Something relatively washy for a Splash I guess.

Sorry really can't describe sound well.

[Plan B.]

Splashes are so hard to describe, 'cause they're so similar in sounds to me. I don't even have one so I can't really recomend one to try out.

[bobby__johnny]

what do ya mean save money theres shipping and handling but I don't noe about the store ur getting it from but the store where the drum stuff i want doesn't charge ppl for special ordering stuff...

but your still going to have to put money down on it. everything is cheaper over the internet.

i can almost gaurentee that your shop would be able to match prices like those found on musiciansfriend or massmusic (unless is a huge chain)

as for paying shipping on the net, you'll have to pay taxes at the store. take your pick.

[zfmt]

i need a good splash cymbal to compliment my china i want it to sound realy washy, and i also would like if it were easy to hit because some of my other cymbals are like rocks. what type of splash should i look for?

[ben_staples]

Just seen a good deal (50% off) on some Zildjian ZXT 14 inch Solid Hi Hats.
Would this be worth the upgrade from my cheap and nasty CB hats made from bean tins?

[bobby__johnny]

i need a good splash cymbal to compliment my china i want it to sound realy washy, and i also would like if it were easy to hit because some of my other cymbals are like rocks. what type of splash should i look for?

try a 12" AA Splash. or for a darker sounding alternative, a 12" Hand Hammered splash.

Just seen a good deal (50% off) on some Zildjian ZXT 14 inch Solid Hi Hats.
Would this be worth the upgrade from my cheap and nasty CB hats made from bean tins?

though they are better than those Cb hats, you should hold off, because in the long run, you'll want to upgrade those....save yourself money and time, just get good hats later.

[ben_staples]

though they are better than those Cb hats, you should hold off, because in the long run, you'll want to upgrade those....save yourself money and time, just get good hats later.

Suppose I can wait few months and get the Zildjian A Custom 15 inch Mastersound hi hats I was creaming over in the shop :)
Then I'll need a new stand, and some cymbals, and some more stands, and a base pedal...

goes on and on :-/

[groomits]

as far as splashes go , could could try an 8 or 10 " k custom...i have the 8 and it sounds just like that, fast decay and not really bright ...but i doubt think the term cutting describes it...so maybe the 10 would be better....as far as a china, id say go wuhan, 12" its def not too loud but cuts through just fine.

I did what you said and I bought a 12'' wuhan china. New for 10$ on ebay, I coudn't do nothing :rolleyes:

and for the splash, I'll go try some next week

[bobby__johnny]

Suppose I can wait few months and get the Zildjian A Custom 15 inch Mastersound hi hats I was creaming over in the shop
Then I'll need a new stand, and some cymbals, and some more stands, and a base pedal...


if you were creaming in the shop, your be raping them when your home. trust me, the wait is more than worth it.

[ScMc]

Bobby: Unfortunately im selling my 14" groove hats that you liked so much... Also going on ebay is my 16 inch stage crash. Both sound great but are just not my style unfortunately. As my drumming skills have progressed, my ability to know what a good cymbal sounds like has also progressed. Fortunately, I will be sticking with the 18" HHXtreme crash I purchased last year. The HHXtreme sounds killer and I wont need a china cuz it's really trashy!


FIRST AND FOREMOST:My favorite kinds of music are metal and rock and I really like to groove and play funky technical beats on the hi-hat and ride. I really like the way Danny Carey/Mike Portnoys set ups sound, and I want to be able to be as technical with my hats as David Garibaldi can be on his. I just need cymbals that sound good and that if a crowd of random people heard them, they would think they sound great as well.

I am not totally set on the hi hats and crash I am about to list so If you think they sound bad or a different crash/hi-hat pair would sound better for my playing style, just let me know. Cliff Notes: Tell me if these cymbals actually sound good or if it's just me :lol:

The hi-hats I really like are Zildjian K 13" Mastersounds. I have only heard them on Ziljians website but they sound great. Any comments on these would be helpful.

The crash I Really like is the Zildjian K 16" Thin Dark Crash (Brilliant).

Any comments on those cymbals would be helpful.

What I need is a Ride, not dark or dry but again, something that is very versatile and that anyone can enjoy the sound of. Preferably something from Zildjian. Also, Help me find a couple more crashes and some Effects cymbals.

Thanks guys for ANY help! Cant wait to get my new cymbals.

[llama123]

^ The cymbals you mentioned above and very, very nice sounding plates. For rock and metal though, particularly the K Thin crash, I don't think they would hold up very well for your application. They cost a lot of money those things do so you wouldn't want to break them I am asure. If your technique is ok, you should be fine with medium thins (still amazing cymbals). Having that said, I think you would be safe with the Mastersounds (14" would be my preference though :)). The sound clips on Zildjian's website, besides not being accurate, severly let them down; whatever you do - try them out at your drum store first before purchasing anything!

Thanks,
Tom

[ScMc]

Yah I will definately try every pair of hi-hats that store has, haha, But I will check out the K's first. Thanks a lot. Any more comments would be appreciated.