*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[Tim]

I need two cymbols:
( I play in a Thrash Metal / Metal, band. )

Sabian Hi-Hats 14" and Great for Metal.
(I have no price range)

And also...

Sabian China 17" or 18" And it also should be a great Metal cymbol.
(I have no price range)


Thanks to who ever can help me out.

try some sabian AA rock hats. as for chinas go for an AA china, those are great.

[AmericanIdiot72]

How ya doin?

Im looking for a Zildjian Crash Cymbal that is loud, cuts through, and can take a beating....if you havent guest yet i play Punk Rock. A cymbal good enough to be used as a beatkeeper (but not craSHING A RIDE).

[Tim]

How ya doin?

Im looking for a Zildjian Crash Cymbal that is loud, cuts through, and can take a beating....if you havent guest yet i play Punk Rock. A cymbal good enough to be used as a beatkeeper (but not craSHING A RIDE).

most cymbals can take a "beating" as long as you arent wailing on it like you want to kill it in a stupid manner. Id say a good crash would be an A custom medium crash. or an A series rock crash.

[Aaron]

20" A Custom Medium or an A Crash-Ride

[bobby__johnny]

I need two cymbols:
( I play in a Thrash Metal / Metal, band. )

Sabian Hi-Hats 14" and Great for Metal.
(I have no price range)

And also...

Sabian China 17" or 18" And it also should be a great Metal cymbol.
(I have no price range)


Thanks to who ever can help me out.

14" AA Medium Hats

18" B8 Pro Chinese

[Epiphender]

How's the 16" K Custom Special Dry Crash work out as a main crash? All I've got for crashes right now is a 14" AAX Studio.

Help please?

[bobby__johnny]

should be fine for a low colume crash. i wouldnt imagine it would be the most versatile thing though

[Epiphender]

Well...right now I'm using a 14" AAX Studio for my main crash. It's...all I have. :(

[Plan B.]

Jesus, go bigger!

[Epiphender]

I can't afford to!!

I do crash my ride quite frequently though. :)

[Murd_666]

I need two cymbols:
( I play in a Thrash Metal / Metal, band. )

Sabian Hi-Hats 14" and Great for Metal.
(I have no price range)

And also...

Sabian China 17" or 18" And it also should be a great Metal cymbol.
(I have no price range)


Thanks to who ever can help me out.
14" AAX Stage HAts
18"AAX Chinese

[Plan B.]

I can't afford to!!

I do crash my ride quite frequently though. :)

Well done.

A fundamental for a good player.

[Maggot Dream]

OK, I'm looking for a ride cymbal. I play classic/prog rock and jazz. I like a ride with a clean, crisp sound, with a clear bell. Preferably not too heavy. So far, I've looked at the Zildjian A Custom Ping Ride 20" and the Sabian Vault Artisan Medium Ride. I'm leaning towards the Sabian right now, but I'm still looking. Any ideas?

[Seafroggys]

i would go for Zildjian As and Sabian AAs, rather than A Custom and Vaults. As and AAs have better rides IMO.

I Like the genres you play. Jazz, classic, and prog rock are my favorite genres! :thumb:

[bobby__johnny]

take a look at the 22" A and AA Medium Rides. :thumb:

[punkrockspectacle]

Im lookin to get new hats for my kit. i've found two really good deals, around the same price. 14" AA Metal X vs. 14" AA Regular hats. both gently used. I play mostly metal/punk, but also rock and some hip-hop and jazz as well. which set do you guys think would be best for this scenario?

[an_original_name]

i'd go for the AA regular hats. if your playing a wide range of music they will work much better than the metal-x hats.

[Maggot Dream]

i would go for Zildjian As and Sabian AAs, rather than A Custom and Vaults. As and AAs have better rides IMO.

I Like the genres you play. Jazz, classic, and prog rock are my favorite genres! :thumb:
Are the AA's as high quality as the Vaults? I've only played on an AA ride, and I liked it, but I've heard good things about the Vaults too.

[bobby__johnny]

vault, AA,AAX,HHX, and Hand Hammered are all top quality, and equal in such ways. some are more expensive based on manufature methods. all are awesome.

[Plan B.]

Top qual my brothers!

:p

(My informative post for the month.)

[Massik Kretal]

Hihats. I want warm, articulate hats, that can cut well when fully closed.

[Tim]

Hihats. I want warm, articulate hats, that can cut well when fully closed.

sabian HH reg hats

[Seafroggys]

Hihats. I want warm, articulate hats, that can cut well when fully closed.

New Beats!

Hahaha, no I'm actually serious too. I find mine to be pretty low, warm, and damn articulate and loud.

[Double Bass Jim]

14" K regular hats, perfect for anything. Middle line on tone not to dark.

14 HH regular hats would be good too.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

K hats are a good sugestion. Maybe look at K mastersounds as well.

[bobby__johnny]

i'm with the K mastersounds....doesnt get much more articulate than those...

[hundurinn]

Not a option to go and try them out. 500km to the next store and they got crap.

I play mostly rock/metal.
I'm looking for a crash to add to my Paiste 2002 16" Classic Crash. I'm looking for something fairly or medium bright, shattering and powerful. I'm thinking to get either the 2002 18" Full crash, Power or Rock crash. Good option? What would you recommend. What would it compare to Zildjian or Sabian?

Also getting a new ride. 20"-24", something pingy, medium to long sustain, bright and a good bell. I like the 24" 2002 Original Ride, 22" Rock Bell Ride or 20" Rock Ride.

Open for all suggestions.

Should I look into another brands? Or does the Paiste outsound them all? :D

[Iskandar]

It all comes down to this, folks:

16" A Medium Crash, or 16" A Medium Thin?

[Murd_666]

^hmm I'd say Medium or w/e ever you think sounds the best^

I want cymbals(and a job, but thats not important) I was looking at:

Hi-Hat- Zildjian 13" A New Beats
Crashes- Zildjian 16" A Fast Crash
Zildjian 18" A Fast Crash
Ride- Zildjian 21" Sweet Ride
Splash- 10" A

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

^^^ thats a pretty good selection. Dunno baout the 18: fast crash though, never relaly liked fast crashes though.

to the dropper, I'd say go a medium thin.

[The Chemist]

i'm looking for a very dry, loud crash that has a short sustain
pitch: low-ish
size: 16-18''
make: sabian or zildjian

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Dry and loud together is something of a hard find, most dry crashes dont exactly have much body.

I could reccoment K Custom Dry and Special Dry crashes but I dont think that they'd have the body you'd be after.

[punkrockspectacle]

Any of you guys have experience with the Paiste 2002 hi-hats? how versatile are they? I play a pretty wide range of music, and I am trying to find something that can accomidate the styles I play. Metal, Punk, Hip Hop, Jazz, etc.

[metallas]

Guys suggest please a china that sounds like s&m.The original one used (oriental china trash 18") is garbage stuff.My friend has it and I know.I want a china that sounds like ste sound in the cd.

[bobby__johnny]

Z Custom?

[poppinfresh]

i'm with the K mastersounds....doesnt get much more articulate than those...
yes, i have 14 in med innovations bottom hat with a 14 in k custom fast crash on top, its ****in crazuy.

[withering_rose]

ok, I'm looking for a dark sounding set up. I'm looking for new hats, a ride, and a crash. I want a sound similar to that of zildjian in the early 70s. I love the sound of my drum teachers cymbals, and all of them he bought in the 70s. thanks in advance guys

[poppinfresh]

oh what you want is the paiste giant beats, keith moon used them, ginger baker used them, and john bonham played for a year, they are big cymbals but have a warm sound, it is exactly what you want. The ride is incredible, you will fall in love with it, go try some out. They have just been reintroduced thouhg, they were replaced by the 2002 line way back when around the 70s/.

[withering_rose]

oh what you want is the paiste giant beats, keith moon used them, ginger baker used them, and john bonham played for a year, they are big cymbals but have a warm sound, it is exactly what you want. The ride is incredible, you will fall in love with it, go try some out. They have just been reintroduced thouhg, they were replaced by the 2002 line way back when around the 70s/.
rockin, I'm on the paiste site but I can't find any soundclips (I know soundclips are generally rubbish but I don't have the best access to a music store at the moment) does anyone know where I can find some clips?
EDIT: I'm also really diggin the finish to them, I'm not fond of "reflective" finishes. I like the more mellow finish
2ND EDIT: also, I'm assuming the multi-function would be the crash?
LAST EDIT(I swear): instead of the giant beats multi-function, would the paiste dark energy crash mark I work for what I want?

[bobby__johnny]

basically, multi function is a crash ride. a big crash that can be ridden.

if you want a muli purpose Dark energy, look for one in the neighbourhood of 18" +

[withering_rose]

basically, multi function is a crash ride. a big crash that can be ridden.

if you want a muli purpose Dark energy, look for one in the neighbourhood of 18" +
I'm not really looking for a multi purpouse. I'm not fond of crash/rides. I feel they usually don't have enough "attack" for my liking, so I was asking about the dark energy crash. also, about those sound clips...

[hundurinn]

rockin, I'm on the paiste site but I can't find any soundclips (I know soundclips are generally rubbish but I don't have the best access to a music store at the moment) does anyone know where I can find some clips?
EDIT: I'm also really diggin the finish to them, I'm not fond of "reflective" finishes. I like the more mellow finish
2ND EDIT: also, I'm assuming the multi-function would be the crash?
LAST EDIT(I swear): instead of the giant beats multi-function, would the paiste dark energy crash mark I work for what I want?


try the beta.paiste.com/products

[withering_rose]

try the beta.paiste.com/products
yeah, I just found that, for some reason I couldn't before, thanks :)

[Sponer]

Ok, question.

My band wants me to get some louder crash cymbals.
I currently use an 18" Sabian B8, so I need to upgrade anyways.

But I was thinking about getting HHX crashes. How do HHXs and B8s compare in volume? Cause I'm thinking they're not going to be loud like what they want.

Or do I just not play loud enough, cause I wouldn't really concider myself a hard hitter.

[an_original_name]

^^^ dont let them push you around. it makes much more sense for them to turn the volume on their anps and stuff down than for you to spend £400 on new cymbals that you might not have wanted in the first place.

[Sponer]

No, it's not that.
I know that I make the final choice in what I want.

I'm just trying to keep the band in mind as well.
I'm sure I'd be happy with anything better than B8s. :D


Cause if not HHXs, I think I'd get AAs because I like both.

[an_original_name]

^^^ in that case, go down to your local store, and hit every crash you can find, then pick your favourite.

[GooseFilms.net]

what do you guys think about a 17" AAX Stage Crash?

[aznriceball]

aaxplosions 17"-19" are pretty freakin loud

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

wow you get told to play louder?

I always get told to be quieter.

[bobby__johnny]

what do you guys think about a 17" AAX Stage Crash?


buy it. my 16" Rocks ***

[poppinfresh]

rockin, I'm on the paiste site but I can't find any soundclips (I know soundclips are generally rubbish but I don't have the best access to a music store at the moment) does anyone know where I can find some clips?
LAST EDIT(I swear): instead of the giant beats multi-function, would the paiste dark energy crash mark I work for what I want?
dont worry about the multi function, go try them out, all cymbals have different charactierstics.

To me the ride is a lot more than any sound clip can offer. They have an extremely complex sound. If i rememebr correctly, they have this warm huge sounding ping, and this beautiful wash underneath that just maxes out at a certain level. The ping is always heard, its pretty crazy, you never lose the ping. The hats are really nice and warm, i didnt hear too much of those but they had a nice warm swish and it was pretty articulate with a powerful tick. The crashes, i dont remember very well. It wil be worth the trip, these are pretty crazy cymbals.

[GooseFilms.net]

Well, I just bought a 17" AAX Stage Crash (which retails for $155) used for $60, and that's including shipping. That's like, 60% off. Call it a bitchin' deal, if you will.

[poppinfresh]

oh ****, thats a good price, where did you get it from?

[GooseFilms.net]

call it my secret online instrument ebay

[Seafroggys]

hahaha its page 69.....

god damn i feel like a high schooler when i say that...

man I can truly tell the difference between B8s and AAs. Huge difference in volume. B8s just disappear when I play with my metal band, but those AAs and the New Beats just kill.

[bobby__johnny]

doesnt take much to tell apart AA's from B8's ;)

[Seafroggys]

well yeah, but when i first rehersed on my band's set i thought the cymbals sounded alright, but as time has gone on I've noticed the difference far more, now I think B8s are terrible! I can't even imagine what ZBTs and stuff sound like!

[thenewguy515]

i need hats that sound good and splashy open and a ride that has a nice short ping...please don't say RUDE's they are way too expensive

[GooseFilms.net]

I can't even imagine what ZBTs and stuff sound like!
Worse than B8's. One day when i find a china that i really like, I'll finally ditch my last ZBT

[bobby__johnny]

i need hats that sound good and splashy open and a ride that has a nice short ping...please don't say RUDE's they are way too expensive

AAX Studio Hats, and a 20" AA Medium Ride

[Trev]

Right, I need a cymbal for Christmas, around £150 is probably the budget, but I could probably go over if it had that special something..

I play in a symphonic metal band, but I don't really want a cymbal thats limited to metal. I am not a brand whore, so all suggestions welcome. I was thinking maybe a Paiste Signature/Rude/2002 (All seem feasable options really), or an A custom. I don't know a lot about Sabian, but I hear Vaults are good.

[bobby__johnny]

HHX Stage Crash....by far

[3_times_round]

I would 100% recommened A Customs. Maybe around an 18" regular or 17" Medium. Would fit with metal, but also has great versatility.

[White]

My first crash on the new set- Im wondering what a good crash would be on my new set (when it gets here0 Im thinking vault crash or custom K Dark crash, somthing along that line, what would you recommend? thanks, Jeff

[bobby__johnny]

something along that line? the Vault is super bright, and the K Dark is...well....dark....so something in the middle?

AA Medium-Thin Crash

[3_times_round]

What style of music do you play/prefer? K Custom Dark's are great, but they can't reach a high volume. Vaults are heavy-ish cymbals and are great for most things really. I personally don't like them, and I personally would go for the KC Dark, but go in and listen yourself, see which one you prefer.
Also check out A Custom crashes, AAX Crashes (any) and Paiste Sigs.

[White]

What style of music do you play/prefer? K Custom Dark's are great, but they can't reach a high volume. Vaults are heavy-ish cymbals and are great for most things really. I personally don't like them, and I personally would go for the KC Dark, but go in and listen yourself, see which one you prefer.
Also check out A Custom crashes, AAX Crashes (any) and Paiste Sigs.

Ya Ive been doing some reasearch on the A customs and the K customs, the vault I mgiht buy, but I doubt I will, but ya, im going in town on saturday to check some out, what do you think I should look for in the Hi-Hat Section????
Thanks, Jeff

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Well if you want something dark, K hats. K Mastersounds have more articulation. A New beats are good hats for all round purposes, get them in trad not brilliant though. A Quickbeats are heavier than newbeats, and therefore have a bigger sound and a tighter "chick" sound when closed.

You try some A customs if you are looking for a bright tone, I quite like them, almost bought a pair. A custom mastersounds are bright and articulate, probably not what your looking for. You coudl try the Avedis version of them, never tried some in person, but I'm guessing they woul dhave a more natural tone than the A customs.

[dedworx]

hi, trying to find two new crashes probably from sabian or zildjian as they're easiest to get around my area. i play in a rock band that plays groovier stuff too and playing for other people of non rock type stuff the bigger too loud cymbals wouldnt work. versatility is what i'm after really,and not too overbearing but strong enough. i was thinking along the lines of AAX studio crashes 17' and 18' loud but not too much? or maybe A customs ,or HHX studio/stage? i can't really decide so any suggestions on what might work or opinions on what i've suggested would be much appreciated.

cheers
matt

[Murd_666]

16" or 17" AA Medium Crash
16" or 17" AA Medium Thin Crash
16" or 17" AAX Stage Crash
16" or 17" A Medium Crash
You can go bigger if you wish

[aznriceball]

here are my recommendations for your situation. get some more opinions before u leave

small crashes:

a custom fast crash- 14", 16" or 17", super bright and less overtones and more attack, groovy
aax stage crash: 16", 17" or 18" bright, good volume


main crashes:
avedis medium thin - 16" or 18" - versatile
aax dark crash: 18" or 19" can be funky and and volumous

big crashes:
a custom crash 18" or 20" versatile and bright/funkilicious
hhxplosion 19" or 20" groove right into the song but be heard
aaxplosion 17", 18" or 19" loud, but not obnoxious like z customs.

[aznriceball]

and i wasnt sure if u wanted 1/2/3 crashes and a small/medium, medium/big, big/small etc

[Trev]

Thanks for the suggestions bobby__johnny and 3_times_round. I tried out both the HHX Stage Crash and the A customs, but I ended up buying a bargain one month old 18" Vault Crash, just sounded beautiful.

[3_times_round]

Nice one! How much did you get if for?

Right, which two would you prefer-

17" A Custom Medium Crash and 20" A Custom Ping Ride
or
17" K Custom Fast Crash and 20" K Custom Session Ride

[Trev]

£90. Seemed underpriced to be honest. They also had the 19" for £110, which I really wanted too, but I couldn't afford them both, and I think 18" is a more sensible option for a primary crash.

Both were returned after a death metal drummer decided they didn't fit in with his other cymbals. His loss. My gain. Awesome condition too.

And my personal choice would be the A customs, but thats probably just me personally, I think the A custom ping ride is an excellent ride.

[gimp fest]

£90. Seemed underpriced to be honest. They also had the 19" for £110, which I really wanted too, but I couldn't afford them both, and I think 18" is a more sensible option for a primary crash.

Both were returned after a death metal drummer decided they didn't fit in with his other cymbals. His loss. My gain. Awesome condition too.

And my personal choice would be the A customs, but thats probably just me personally, I think the A custom ping ride is an excellent ride.

which music shop do you use fellow lincsian?

[Trev]

:D Electromusic, in Doncaster, its the closest to me, about 45 minutes in the car. The customer service there is absolutely incredible, they know what they're talking about, and very honest.

Theres also Rock Factory in Castleford I've been to a couple of times, but the staff are very unhelpful, and you can only have a quiet tap on the cymbals on their display stand, as opposed to Electromusic sitting me down at a kit and bringing me a selection of cymbals they thought were suitable for the music I played.

I live in Scunthorpe, in North Lincolnshire, which is 38 miles from Louth, where you live.

[gimp fest]

agh! you know where i live! oh , quite a way then, i choose to visit music makers in lincoln, which is a good shop but overpriced.

[Trev]

Bloody swear filter. Scunthorpe is my town name :p

[gimp fest]

ha! i was wondering about that, yeups i'm definatly familiar with scunny :)

[White]

Well if you want something dark, K hats. K Mastersounds have more articulation. A New beats are good hats for all round purposes, get them in trad not brilliant though. A Quickbeats are heavier than newbeats, and therefore have a bigger sound and a tighter "chick" sound when closed.

You try some A customs if you are looking for a bright tone, I quite like them, almost bought a pair. A custom mastersounds are bright and articulate, probably not what your looking for. You coudl try the Avedis version of them, never tried some in person, but I'm guessing they woul dhave a more natural tone than the A customs.

Ya, I was looking into New Beat hats, and ill check out the some Avedis Customs tommorrow, if at all possible, and ill try the K custom Dark Crashes to, thanks for your help guys, really aprecieate it, Jeff

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

No prob, have the new beats myself and I quite like them. My only complaint with mine are that they are brilliant, it just makes them too bright for what I want out of a pair of hats.

Owell, once I save up enough money I wanna deck out my set with Paistes. So glad they finally got sound clips up, I've been dying to hear what they sound like. Paiste are as rare as hen's teeth around here.

[White]

No prob, have the new beats myself and I quite like them. My only complaint with mine are that they are brilliant, it just makes them too bright for what I want out of a pair of hats.

Owell, once I save up enough money I wanna deck out my set with Paistes. So glad they finally got sound clips up, I've been dying to hear what they sound like. Paiste are as rare as hen's teeth around here.

haha, good luck with that lol, ya, tommorrow im going to the stores to tst some stuff out, im definatly looking at the new beats Avedis, and Ks so thanks again

[Undisco Kidd]

I'm looking for a nice, jazzy ride (22 inch, preferably) and a quick 14 inch crash.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

22 k ride is a good one

14" A fast Crash.

[Sabian4015]

Alright, I've got sabian xs20 16" crash , 20" ride, then 14" hats, then AA 18" crash and hhx 14" crash. So whats next( thats a ride, splash, or crash ) im thinkin about a 8" splash. But im not too sure. And I don't need a china, so thats not what im looking for.

[poppinfresh]

i would have gotten a bigger hhx. But replace the hats then the ride.

Xss already sound good so you have a pretty good set already.

First get all the basics at top of the line then start getting splashes and those kinds of things.

[poppinfresh]

I'm looking for a nice, jazzy ride (22 inch, preferably) and a quick 14 inch crash.
get the sabian artisan ride, those things are beautiful but they are hand made so you should try them out before you buy them.

A really nice 14 in crash is the k custom fast crash. It is the most perfect crash sound.

[dedworx]

hi
i'm looking to upgrade my two old crashes with some new ones and aiming for a set thats fairly versatile. i play in a rock band but we play groovier not as full on type stuff aswell. and also playing for other people who arent rock or overly loud i cant really have a heavy cymbal thats too overbearing.
i am thinking along the lines of zildjian a medium thins 17',18' or maybe k custom dark crashes or AAX/HHX medium thins or even thins,though thin crashes i'm not sure about durability. my technique is fine enough not to break them i think,but i dont want to be scared of laying into them.
any help is much appreciated.
cheers
matt

[Tim]

hi
i'm looking to upgrade my two old crashes with some new ones and aiming for a set thats fairly versatile. i play in a rock band but we play groovier not as full on type stuff aswell. and also playing for other people who arent rock or overly loud i cant really have a heavy cymbal thats too overbearing.
i am thinking along the lines of zildjian a medium thins 17',18' or maybe k custom dark crashes or AAX/HHX medium thins or even thins,though thin crashes i'm not sure about durability. my technique is fine enough not to break them i think,but i dont want to be scared of laying into them.
any help is much appreciated.
cheers
matt



id look into AAX stage crash and AAXplosion crashes. also, from AA check out the medium crash and medium thin crashes. maybe like a 17 AAX stage crash with an 18 medium crash would do good.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

K Customs are not versitile Cymbals, if you want a dark crash, keep out hte K dark crashes, or dark medium thins. Could also try some A crashes, perhaps the thins and medium thins.

[playwithfire]

I'm looking for a nice, jazzy ride (22 inch, preferably) and a quick 14 inch crash.I would look at various HHX, K, and K Custom rides. They all have rides with dark sounds, articulate ping, and warm undertones. Perfect for jazz imo.

get the sabian artisan ride, those things are beautiful but they are hand made so you should try them out before you buy them.Artisans are on par with Paiste Signature rides in price from what I've seen though, which is pricy!

hi
i'm looking to upgrade my two old crashes with some new ones and aiming for a set thats fairly versatile. i play in a rock band but we play groovier not as full on type stuff aswell. and also playing for other people who arent rock or overly loud i cant really have a heavy cymbal thats too overbearing.I would get an A Medium Thin crash and a K Dark Crash Medium Thin. They contrast each other well, they are a versatile weight, and give you two distinct tones, one bright, one dark.

No prob, have the new beats myself and I quite like them. My only complaint with mine are that they are brilliant, it just makes them too bright for what I want out of a pair of hats.Brilliant finishes make a cymbal sound darker, not brighter... not that the difference is even audible to the average person... New Beats are New Beats. If you find them too bright, it isn't because of a brilliant finish.

K Customs are not versitile Cymbals, if you want a dark crash, keep out hte K dark crashes, or dark medium thins. Could also try some A crashes, perhaps the thins and medium thins.A crashes are bright. My A Medium Thin crash is bright as eff, and even the Thin crash is quite a way from being a medium tone. If you wanted a more medium tone I would go with A Customs, probably something like the A Custom regular or Fast crash, as those are thinner. I played an A Custom Fast crash for 2 years before I sold it, and it was relatively neutral tone, not too bright, not too dark.

[straycat101]

alright, i wanna buy a couple things but these are the ones im still having issues with.
Zildjian A Series Sweet Ride or Sabian AA medium ride, i really like them both but havent pinpointed it yet..
with this next one it is more of a money issue... i was wondering how a Wuhan 18'' China compares to the Paiste 2002's and Sabian ProSonix in sound.
thanks for any help you can give.

[bobby__johnny]

the wuhans are gennerally darker. if you are on a budget, or like total trash, get the wuhans

as for the ride - that is the most discerning sound to anyone. both are quite versatile, with the AA Medium having a tad more definition. play both carefully, and see which you like more

myself, i'd take the Medium, as its a bit more balanced

[poppinfresh]

well their aare also only 6 artisan rides made a day. And they sound incredible, nothing compares, definetly worth it IMO.

[Nightmar3]

Hi I would like a second crash....
it has to be dark, 17"-19" and it should blend with my 16 bosphorus trad which I love... thx

[bobby__johnny]

19" HHX Studio Crash

[hundurinn]

Looking for a medium bright, aggeressive, shattering and powerful. I got two in mind. The Paiste 18" 2002 Power crash or 18" 2002 Rock crash. How does that sound and what would it compare to the other brands such as Sabian or Zildjian?

[3_times_round]

18" A Custom Medium. Is pretty much exactly what you're looking for.

[an_original_name]

^^^ yeah i seccond that. its a very nice crash

[playwithfire]

I was at Long & Mcquade today and I tried a 22" Z Custom Power ride. Worst ride sound I have EVER heard. I could play with 2000 watts of guitars and 4000 watts of bass and not need that ride to cut. It was pingy, but it really roared, like *really* roared. It had a massive buildup, the ping was still sharp, but the massive roar made me want to drop that 30 pound mofo. The bell sucked too, no projection like the bow had. Anyway, I was just surprised because I hear most people say on here "Z Customs suck aside from the rides", and up until now I had only had experience with the crashes. I also tried the 19" Thrash ride... reminded me why I love A's and K's. They don't sound like crap.

I also tried a large number of K crashes, and they really have some bite to them. I think I'll have to pick some up.

[FL3P]

The regular Z Custom ride isnt so bad but they heavier rides are all clang.

[FockerTheLopper]

I hate the whole Z custom line exept for the splashes. Hey I just realized that I'm pretty versatile with knowledge of cymbals I know alot about every brand(exept meinl)

[playwithfire]

On another note, I also tried Vault crashes and Artisan rides. I wasn't actually overly impressed with either. I don't overly like the Artisan ride's sound, but I guess I could try a few, I imagine there's quite a bit of difference model to model... and the Vault crashes are *way* too crisp for me. They have such a narrow range. Instead of the "PSSHHHH" I like in a crash, like an A Thin/Medium Thin or A Custom for instance, they sound a lot more like "TSSSS". I imagine they cut like a knife though. The K crashes I spent time playing today though... those were amazing. Such a dark, gritty cut. Reminds me of HHX but darker, and more bite, and I'm a huge HHX fan.

[Plan B.]

It's because the Vaults have silver in them.

[boss]

And HHX's look cool too

Speaking of which, how's the effects pack (10 splash and 18 china)?
Or am i wasting my time since all HHX's rule?

[playwithfire]

It's because the Vaults have silver in them.All pro Zildjian and Sabian cymbals have silver in them...B20 bronze is 80% copper, 20% tin, and traces of silver. Sabian just markets that you can "hear" the silver more in the Vault cymbals.

[Plan B.]

:lol:

[playwithfire]

^Agreed. I think it's a weird thing to market, but silvery is a cymbal term, and it does fit well with the Vaults description. Describing something as silvery and saying "You can hear the silver in it man!" sound completely different... one of which sounds retarded.

[Chris]

Rite, I need abit of advice.

In 3 weeks, i am going to Wembley Drum Center, and am plaing to getting these cymbals:
Zildjian
15'' New Beat Hats
18'' A Custom Crash
19'' A Custom Crash
Sabian
21'' HH Raw-bell Dry Ride
UFIP
18'' Tigar China*

Now, i need a second option on a ride, just incase Wembley dosn't have it. So are 22'' A Custom rides any good(Im playing a gig 2 days after i go, so i will need to come away with a ride)? If it helps im after a ride that has little or no wash, with a strong ping, and a nice bell.
*This is already on order, and will come in about 2/3 weeks

[Tim]

if they dont have the HHraw bell id say have them order it and if not get a A ping ride
or AA rock ride. just my opinion though. if they dont have it though id really see if they could order it.

[Chris]

if they dont have the HHraw bell id say have them order it and if not get a A ping ride
or AA rock ride. just my opinion though. if they dont have it though id really see if they could order it.

Yer there is that, but they wont order it until after xmas though, and i need a ride for the gig (i can't play on my ZBT ride).

[playwithfire]

Personally I hate A Custom rides. The crashes and spashes are fantastic, the hats are good, the chinas are fine, but the rides... they just all suck imo. They are way too shimmery for my taste, have a good amount of buildup in most cases, and their ping is distinctly different from the ping of an A or K for instance... even the ping shimmers.

[Funky_Drummer]

Hello everyone. I'm new to the forums and I thought I'd make my first post here. Intil I can make a thread. I've been playing for about a year with pretty old cymbals. (Can't even read the brand, heh:lol: ) And been thinking of getting new cymbals, as soon as I save up. I don't know much 'bout cymbals so I need your help. I like playing mostly rock and punk music and a bit of metal. I'm looking for cymbals with Medium-fast decay and last pretty long. Um...and at a good price. Help, please!

[playwithfire]

All pro cymbals should last a long time, so that shouldn't be a factor. Personally, I would look into Medium Thin weight A Zildjians and Sabian AAs for crashes, same series for hihats and ride, but probably medium heavy or heavy for the ride, and medium over heavy for the hats.

A nice setup would be something like... 14" A New Beats/Mastersounds, 17" A Medium crash, 18" A Medium Thin crash, 21" A Rock ride.

[Funky_Drummer]

All pro cymbals should last a long time, so that shouldn't be a factor. Personally, I would look into Medium Thin weight A Zildjians and Sabian AAs for crashes, same series for hihats and ride, but probably medium heavy or heavy for the ride, and medium over heavy for the hats.

A nice setup would be something like... 14" A New Beats/Mastersounds, 17" A Medium crash, 18" A Medium Thin crash, 21" A Rock ride.Okay thanks. Um Advice on any good splash cymbals and china's? I plan on getting those in the near future.

[boss]

classic rock: 18" AAX Studio or HHX Studio?

already in my setup:
13" HHX grove hats
14" AAX Studio crash
16" HHX Stage crash
20" AAX Stage crash
21" HH raw bell dry ride
12" AAX Splash
12" 14" 16" 18" Wuhan china

I've already asked this before but now its narrowed down to these 2

[bobby__johnny]

HHX for sure you already have the big AAX Crash. HHX hands down

[FockerTheLopper]

Rite, I need abit of advice.

In 3 weeks, i am going to Wembley Drum Center, and am plaing to getting these cymbals:
Zildjian
15'' New Beat Hats
18'' A Custom Crash
19'' A Custom Crash
Sabian
21'' HH Raw-bell Dry Ride
UFIP
18'' Tigar China*

Now, i need a second option on a ride, just incase Wembley dosn't have it. So are 22'' A Custom rides any good(Im playing a gig 2 days after i go, so i will need to come away with a ride)? If it helps im after a ride that has little or no wash, with a strong ping, and a nice bell.
*This is already on order, and will come in about 2/3 weeks
I don't know how long you've been playing but a couple of weeks ago I was at the same stage but you need to realize that most of the cymbals beauty comes after the initial hit so overtones are extremely important. If you want a cymbal with lots of Ping and little overtones go with the Z customs. I'd get an A Ping Ride, I have it it has a good ping dry bell with great overtones

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

The A Ping has a great wash of overtones, I quite like them.

I played a gig last weekend and let the drummer in another band use my set. Hearing it from 10 metres away with guitars and bass as well, now thats a different story, almost all of the overtones were gone, only the stick definition could be heard.

If youa re concerend with what he crowd hears, its a good ride, if you are concerned with what your own ears are going ot be heraing, try perhaps an A rock ride or some form of Dry ride. Dunno about an Earth ride, I've heard that the overtones can be huge on them if you let them build up for long enough.

Z Customs, I'd reccomend against them unless youare 100% certain that its the sound you are after, or else you'll end up a ride only suited for one purpose, to be loud and heavy. So don't decide to start playing jazz after 2 weeks of getting one :)

[samsamthegiantman]

I just got a drum set, and apparently it didn't come with a Ride Cymbal.

What's a good Ride Cymbal for a beginner?
I like to play jazz, latin, and rock. So, I'd also like it to have a good bell.

I appreciate it.

[bobby__johnny]

hahaha....your describing The Ed Shauggnessy Universal Ride right there!

[samsamthegiantman]

hahaha....your describing The Ed Shauggnessy Universal Ride right there!
Thank you so much. I looked it up and it looks great. Please, have my babies. :naughty:

[Chris]

I don't know how long you've been playing but a couple of weeks ago I was at the same stage but you need to realize that most of the cymbals beauty comes after the initial hit so overtones are extremely important. If you want a cymbal with lots of Ping and little overtones go with the Z customs. I'd get an A Ping Ride, I have it it has a good ping dry bell with great overtones

I have been playing for 5 years :D And tend to know what sound i want.

And Z customs have simlairsound to UFIP Boinic's (i got reconmended them). But at the moment, i am 90% sure that if i can't get the 21'' HH Raw-bell Dry Ride, then im going to get 22'' A custom ride, and then just save again for the HH one.

[Chris]

Are 21'' A Rock Ride's any good?

I ask as i like the sound of the ride Kenny Aronoff used when he toured with the pumpkin's, and i think that is the ride he used.

[Murd_666]

Are 21'' A Rock Ride's any good?

I ask as i like the sound of the ride Kenny Aronoff used when he toured with the pumpkin's, and i think that is the ride he used.No offence but it pisses me off when they say I want the ride that that guy is playin, half the time they here it on a CD which uses effects to make the sounds better, well thats my opinon. Anyways to the cymbal choice, I dunno what Kenny Aronoff ride sounds like but the AA Rock ride is a decent ride, if you want plenty of ping with a cutting bright bell this is the ride for you, if you want to crash on it also look in to another ride.

[Chris]

No offence but it pisses me off when they say I want the ride that that guy is playin, half the time they here it on a CD which uses effects to make the sounds better, well thats my opinon. Anyways to the cymbal choice, I dunno what Kenny Aronoff ride sounds like but the AA Rock ride is a decent ride, if you want plenty of ping with a cutting bright bell this is the ride for you, if you want to crash on it also look in to another ride.

Ummm no. Did you read what i put? I said when he toured with the pumpkin's. He never recoreded with them, so the sound you got on the tour is 90% what the real cymbal will sound like.

[Murd_666]

^oh sorry bout that, I kind of skimmed through, still that ride is still pretty nice^
anyways here's something to ponder
AAX Stage Set
or
AA Medium Set

[VTDS_xx]

I'm making my list of cymbals to upgrade to, that should last me a good time after I get them. I play Rock/Prog and want to make sure these are good choices:

14" AAX Stage Hats
21" AAX Stage Ride or 21" AA Medium Heavy Ride (in Trad. Finish)
18" AAX Bright Crash
16" AA Medium Thin Crash

Chinas and Splashes will be added later, I've got an 18" Wuhan China and 10" Wuhan S Series Splash right now, and they sound great so I'll probably add a 12" S Series Splash and a 14-16" China later.

These cymbals will compiment the 7 Piece Mapex M Kit I'll be getting at Christmas :D

[playwithfire]

The 18" AAX Bright crash is the worst crash I've ever played... oh man, I don't like it at all. It's just not one of the better AAX crashes. I say you're better off with an 18" AAX Stage, AA Medium Thin, or AA Medium.

[Drum Phil]

I like the stages and explosions in the AAX range as well as the bigger metal crashes

[-TheGlassPrison-]

Looking for something to compliment by 18" Vault.

[bobby__johnny]

18" AAX Stage

[-TheGlassPrison-]

Im not fond of AAX's.

[bobby__johnny]

18" HHX Stage :lol:

[-TheGlassPrison-]

YEEESSS!!!!

ding ding ding

[bobby__johnny]

bright. and then semi-dark

[mysticalyeti]

18" Sig full >_>

I just won a 20" Sig thin china for 94 bucks on ebay ;o

[bobby__johnny]

thats awesome man!

[Plan B.]

Score!

[mysticalyeti]

I've been bidding/forgetting to bid on them for quite a while now... kicks *** to finally get one for such a good price.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

20" sigs chinas rock, perfect sound I'm after in a china. too bad they are **** expensive in Aus :(

[VTDS_xx]

Changed a few things. I've changed my Ride to a 21" Sweet Ride in Brilliant Finish and added a 16" Oriental China Trash to the list. It's now this:

14" AAX Stage Hats
16" AA Medium Thin Crash
18" AAX Stage/plosion Crash/Vault :)
21" A Sweet Ride
16" Oriental China Trash

[straycat101]

how is the AAX Studio 16'' Crash? i like the sound of it but only heard the clips. also, does 'studio' mean it is just good for the studio, or that it isnt very loud ? anyways i think it will mix well with my 17'' A Custom Fast crash.

[Tim]

how is the AAX Studio 16'' Crash? i like the sound of it but only heard the clips. also, does 'studio' mean it is just good for the studio, or that it isnt very loud ? anyways i think it will mix well with my 17'' A Custom Fast crash.

studio just means the term that sabian uses for size. like studio, stage, medium, rock. so the AAX studio crashes are thin.

[Tesrson16]

Is the paiste 2002 22" ride very versatile?

[3_times_round]

22" suggests not, but liten to some one wth more knowledge.

[Murd_666]

Anyone, AAX Stage or AA Mediums Pre Pack

[Bowler]

What do ya think of sonor cymbals over all. They're going for nothing on e-bay!

[playwithfire]

That means they are probably trash.

[punk_drummer101]

hi well i play mainly rock and i am getting a new mapex m birch and i have quite a low budget for cymbals, can any one help me out i don't wanna spend more than $300

[an_original_name]

on that budget the only cymbals your going to find will be lower end ones. i'd suggest checking out some wuhan Sseries cymbals. higher quality at a low price.

[straycat101]

what cymbal does Slim Jim Phantom (Stray Cats) use as a ride? i know its a Zildjian, i think some sort of A or A Custom.

[playwithfire]

Why don't you check the Zildjian website, if he's an endorsed artist, it will say on there.

[bobby__johnny]

Anyone, AAX Stage or AA Mediums Pre Pack

AA medium pack for sure

[chewaz]

how about:
AAX-xcelarator hi hats 14"
HH ROck ride 22"
HH rock crash 16"
AA Chinese 20"
AA splash 10" and 8"
HHX Chinese 20"

O.O

[little_drummer_boy1]

i know that sabian and zildjian have similar cymbals (such as sabian's raw bell dry ride and zildjian's k custom ride) but i was wondering what, if any, was zildjian's version of the sabian b8 pro china

[FL3P]

I guess that would be the ZXT total china

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Sabian and Zildjian don't have totally the same cymbals. Like AAX's are sort of like A Customs but not relaly. Vaults are more A Custom like, besides the artisian rides, which look like pure sex.

Back when Zildjian had the ZBT plus line the china outta that line would be technically Zildjian's version. ZXT is the same as Xs, apart from well basicly everything about the two lines.

[Tim]

I guess that would be the ZXT total china

no way. that total china doesnt come anywhere near the b8pro china.

[FL3P]

That was just a guess based on series, I dont know what other comparison there would be.

[punk_drummer101]

meinl headliners are these any good?

[poppinfresh]

im pretty sure that they are bottom of the line

theygo for like a 100 for a set

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Headliners suck ***.

[punk_drummer101]

how about pearl wild 500?

[spirit]

how about pearl wild 500?

Pearl make cymbals about as well as Microsoft would make a spanner.

In otherwords, hell no.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

I'm guessing your looking for a starter set, go with some Sabian B8's or Paiste PST3's, depending on where you live the Paistes might be more expensive.

[Murd_666]

Pearl make cymbals about as well as Microsoft would make a spanner.
Whats a spanner.go with some Sabian B8's or Paiste PST3'sPST5's are betterm, but I do not know how much more they are, hmmm.

[spirit]

Whats a spanner.

I presume you meant "What's a spanner?"

/grammar nazi

Anyway, I believe you yanks (I assume you're American), call it a "wrench".

[Murd_666]

^ If saying that to me, No I am not american, I am canadian, LONG LIVE CANADA!

[spirit]

^ If saying that to me, No I am not american, I am canadian, LONG LIVE CANADA!

Darnit, I should have looked at the "Location" thing. They're new to me. Sorry for the mistake. But you know what I'm on about now, yes?

[bobby__johnny]

it now allows us to think before we make asses of ourselves ;)

[Murd_666]

Does it, it hasn't helped me a lot:D

[blacksorrows]

im after a large, dark sounding crash, that's about 20" and a pair of hi-hats that are quite Barker-esque

[Murd_666]

Hats: A mastersounds, also look into A New Beats and Paragons, don't limit your self to what barkers stuff sounds like.
Crash: HHX Stage Crashes are Nice, HHX PLosion there just lovely, AAX Dark I don't remeber what the larger models are like but some of the smaller ones are great, look in to the K and K customs lines from Zildjian too.

[moonshYne]

Ride: Medium/short wash, not overly bright and maybe a bit of sizzle (if such things exist in a ride), but with a strong, bright bell. A few recomendations would be best, and cost isn't really an issue.

[playwithfire]

im after a large, dark sounding crash, that's about 20" and a pair of hi-hats that are quite Barker-esqueHe uses 14" A Mastersounds I think. Same hats I use, they are fantastic. If you want a 20" crash I would recommend an A Thin or Medium Thin. The diameter on them and weight means they won't be too bright, but will be bright enough. You won't find a K or K Custom that's 20" in the crash department, and personally, I don't see why you would ever want a 20" K Custom crash. Ks on the other hand... those are amazing.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Hats: A mastersounds, also look into A New Beats and Paragons, don't limit your self to what barkers stuff sounds like.
Crash: HHX Stage Crashes are Nice, HHX PLosion there just lovely, AAX Dark I don't remeber what the larger models are like but some of the smaller ones are great, look in to the K and K customs lines from Zildjian too.

You wont find a 20" K crash. If you want to go K I'd sugest either a K Crash/ride, or some form of ride. K dark Rides have a pretty sweet crash to them, they are only thin I think.


edit: should of read playwithfire's post...

[Murd_666]

^umm, I didn't say anything about 20" I just impled the larger models^

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Yeah but he asked for a 20" model, I just kind of assumed lol.

[Collis]

Quick question here, I am not looking for a cymbal just advice on one (Didnt really wanna start a new thread). In my local shop they're selling a 20" K Custom Dry Ride for £225 ... is that a reasonable price? Or could I get it a lot cheaper? ...

Cheers

[Locke]

Looking for advice on next cymbal purchase.

Currently have 14" K/Z Special Dynamo Beat Hi Hats.
18" A Medium Thin.
16" K somthing (brought it 2nd hand so i don't quite know what it is)
21" A Sweet Ride.

I play mainly rock stuff like Foo Fighters, Velvet Revolver, Feeder.

I'm looking to get 2 new cymbals and get rid of my K as i don't like the dark sounding cymbals. I want to add i love my A Medium thin.

Was woundering if anyone had any suggestions, Was thinking of maybe a 17" A Custom Projection and a 16" A Custom Fast Crash, was also considering a, A Paper thin of some sort. Price isn't an issue.

Cheers for the help.

[amham]

meinl headliners are these any good?

NO!!!! Headliner cymbals are just crappy!!! i have a crash and a hi-hat and they sound like a catfight.

[amham]

is there anyone that know if Sabian Paragorns are any good?

[3_times_round]

Quick question here, I am not looking for a cymbal just advice on one (Didnt really wanna start a new thread). In my local shop they're selling a 20" K Custom Dry Ride for £225 ... is that a reasonable price? Or could I get it a lot cheaper? ...

Cheers

You could find cheaper. Try ebay.

Looking for advice on next cymbal purchase.

Currently have 14" K/Z Special Dynamo Beat Hi Hats.
18" A Medium Thin.
16" K somthing (brought it 2nd hand so i don't quite know what it is)
21" A Sweet Ride.

I play mainly rock stuff like Foo Fighters, Velvet Revolver, Feeder.

I'm looking to get 2 new cymbals and get rid of my K as i don't like the dark sounding cymbals. I want to add i love my A Medium thin.

Was woundering if anyone had any suggestions, Was thinking of maybe a 17" A Custom Projection and a 16" A Custom Fast Crash, was also considering a, A Paper thin of some sort. Price isn't an issue.

Cheers for the help.

The two you mentioned would be fine, but if you play rock music I would lean away from a Fast Crash as they are for a quick accent. Up to you, that's jut my opinion. Maybe try a 19" A custom?
Great choices :)

is there anyone that know if Sabian Paragorns are any good?

Yes. They are.

[playwithfire]

Quick question here, I am not looking for a cymbal just advice on one (Didnt really wanna start a new thread). In my local shop they're selling a 20" K Custom Dry Ride for £225 ... is that a reasonable price? Or could I get it a lot cheaper? ...

CheersI can get that same price in CND... so to have that price in pounds... that's ridiculously expensive.

[3_times_round]

UK is way more expensive. But still, it's too much.

[Iskandar]

I presume you meant "What's a spanner?"

/grammar nazi

Anyway, I believe you yanks (I assume you're American), call it a "wrench".
Actually, that would be /punctuation nazi.

/correction nazi

[eisle89]

I've been at it for about 9 months now and want upgrade my ride from B8 Pro's. I like playing rock and metal but I won't be going pro or anything. I listened to the 20" A Zildjian Earth ride on the Zildjian site and it sounded pretty good. Does anyone here recommend this ?? I'm looking for very quick decay and solid bell.

[playwithfire]

It doesn't have that quick of a decay. If you want a quick decay you'll want a lighter weight ride usually. Earth rides are extra heavy. Personally I'm not a fan of Earth rides at all.

[moogoogaipan]

What do you guys think of K custom. I did a search and nothing came up.

[playwithfire]

What K Custom? The line in general? I think they are good, but not for me at all. Very dry and jazzy.

[moogoogaipan]

yeah, just the line in general. I hear that they are great, but expensive. I'm going to get some this christmas, but I always like opinions from people who've used them.

[playwithfire]

They are really dark and dry generally, but sound complex. I don't really like them all that much. They are no more expensive than regular Ks, but regular Ks sound way better imo. Just a matter of musical tastes really.

[rborghino]

which cymbals are better for metal music (sound, durability) Sabian AAX or Paiste RUDEs?

[rborghino]

i also need a ride cymbal that has a loud, focused and pingy sound, but without losing some of the trashy buildups. And that is not outrageously expensive.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

which cymbals are better for metal music (sound, durability) Sabian AAX or Paiste RUDEs?

Rudes are great cymbals as are AAX's i would advise a good mix of both

[playwithfire]

I don't like Rudes. I find that not only are they not that versatile, they also look horrendous. Of course they are a step up from Z Customs, AAX Metal and AA Metal X though. I would still just recommend heavier weight A's, AA's, and AAX.

[Tim]

AA medium crashes, AAX stage hats, AA rock ride or heavy ride and thats a good setup. just a suggestion.

[boss]

need a small crash for latin music 13-15"
as well a splash for the same genre

[playwithfire]

I would say a 16" AA El Sabor thin crash is the definitive crash for what you're looking for. 13" El Sabor Salsa splash, same deal.

[3_times_round]

What would you chose out of 20" K Custom Session Ride, 21" A Ping ride, 21" A Sweet Ride (brilliant finish), 20" HHX Evolution Ride or 20" AAX stage Ride?

[playwithfire]

They haven't made 21" Pings?... but I'd go with a 22" Ping.

[poppinfresh]

need a small crash for latin music 13-15"
as well a splash for the same genre
14 in k custom fast crash?? try that one.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

What would you chose out of 20" K Custom Session Ride, 21" A Ping ride, 21" A Sweet Ride (brilliant finish), 20" HHX Evolution Ride or 20" AAX stage Ride?

22" a Ping or the stage. The evo ride would be worth looking at as well, I've heard some good stuff about it.

sweet rides in brilliant are disgusting, the trads look so much better.

[3_times_round]

22" a Ping or the stage. The evo ride would be worth looking at as well, I've heard some good stuff about it.

sweet rides in brilliant are disgusting, the trads look so much better.

I was surprised at 21" A Ping aswell. I'm so sure they don't make them that size aswell but that's what I was told it was... find out on Monday.

I really like the Sweet Ride in Brilliant, and don't like the Evo much. I think I'm gonna rule that out myself.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

barker fanboy. :p

[3_times_round]

:evil:

My first choice at the moment is the 20" K custom Session. Suck on my Steve Gadd-ness. :thumb:

[chewaz]

wich should i pick AA rock ride 22" or HH rock ride 22"? and how about a 24"? O.O

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

I would say go with the HH, i love the whole series

and if you mean the 24" AA rock ride its a good ride i was considering it myself

[straycat101]

can anyone give me oppinions on the 20'' AA Medium Ride? i relaly lik the sound of this. but what would be the Zildjian/Paiste eqivilent?

[moogoogaipan]

I'm getting a 20" K custom session ride for christmas along with the K custom 12" session hi-hat... now suck on my Steve Gaddness

[Seafroggys]

can anyone give me oppinions on the 20'' AA Medium Ride? i relaly lik the sound of this. but what would be the Zildjian/Paiste eqivilent?

If you like it, then get it. Sabian should be cheaper than ZIlj and Paiste anyways.

As for the ZIldjian equivelent, it would be a 20" A Medium Ride. The closest thing Paiste would have would probably be a 20" 2002 ride I'd think.

[3_times_round]

I'm getting a 20" K custom session ride for christmas along with the K custom 12" session hi-hat... now suck on my Steve Gaddness

I'm getting it on Tuesday, I'll be more Steve Gadd than you for over a month :wave: (Unless I go for a Ping ride)

[moogoogaipan]

:cool: *sheds a tear*

You lucky bastard...i'll just have to overcompensate when they get here

[gimp fest]

I'm getting it on Tuesday, I'll be more Steve Gadd than you for over a month :wave: (Unless I go for a Ping ride)

definatly go for the k session ride, you will regret it later if you don't

[3_times_round]

Tomorrow :D 3 months in the waiting... Bye bye (eventually!) ZXT Rock Ride!

[playwithfire]

^Man those are craptastic... I had one of those for quite a while... terrible rides.

As to whoever asked what the equivalent in Zildjian is to the Sabian AA 20" Medium ride... I would say the A Zildjian 20" Medium ride... they are more or less identical.

[3_times_round]

^Man those are craptastic... I had one of those for quite a while... terrible rides.

As to whoever asked what the equivalent in Zildjian is to the Sabian AA 20" Medium ride... I would say the A Zildjian 20" Medium ride... they are more or less identical.

Yep, truely terrbiel. Thank feck it's going. Will finally have pro cymbal set-up!

12" A Custom Mastersounds
16" A custom Crash
17" K Custom Fast Crash
19" A Custom Crash
20" K Custom Session Ride

:D

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Man thats an awesome cymbal setup. All I need to do is get rid of my B8 china and I'm done (besides buying a K crash, a few more splashes, another 2 chinas and some Aux. hats). but atm i owe parents 500 bucks for double pedals, so I think I'll get that paid first.

[rborghino]

Dude, thats alot better than my setup:
B8 20" ride
B8 pro 18" china
AAX 14" studio crash
Paiste 2002 16" craah
I also have a 10" splash, 14" hats and 18" crash/ride by Meinl but i dont know the exact line (they sound like a mediun-quality line) but i got them reallt cheap like at 150 dollars in mexico

[rborghino]

i want to change my ride any suggestions..........?
Paiste or Sabian

[rborghino]

Also, just curious, why does nobody seem to lie paistes?

[playwithfire]

It's not that they aren't liked, it's that they are insanely expensive.

[Chester]

i love paistes i just am a cheap bastard

[thenewguy515]

pretty much what they said^^

i need a ride with a fast decay pingy sound. price about $200 or under.

[mysticalyeti]

I love Paiste cause I'm smart and get good deals on them! >_>

[ian1988]

Im looking at getting the same Ride sound that Morgan Rose from Sevendust gets. Its sounds almost like he is hitting a metal bar. It sounds very clean and still really distinctive. It says on the Website he uses a A-Ping Ride but i am unsure if he might have changed his ride as I tried out a Z Custom Power Ride and it sounded exactly the same and its profile said that it was a VERY Pingy ride.

Seeing I am a Paiste Fanboy, Would the Paiste Rude Power Rides be the exact comparison as it is said to be rather pingy aswell?

[playwithfire]

Then again, it sounds very pingy when he's playing with a band that covers up the overtones... so it probably is an A Custom, if I remember right he's an A Custom lackie.

I tried out a 22" Z Custom Power ride, worst piece of scrap metal I've ever played, I prefered a ZXT Rock ride to it... and it was so heavy to boot, just rang forever.

[GooseFilms.net]

China
18"+
Dark
Thin
Sound is best described as "Kahhh"
Short to medium decay

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

i want to change my ride any suggestions..........?
Paiste or Sabian

Well depends what soudn you want and how big your budget is. Paiste I'd suggest either a sig. or 2002 ride if your willing to fork out the cash.

Sabian you could try the AAX Stage ride, AA Rock ride, AA Medium. Its a bit hard when we dont have anything to go off, but you could look into those lines some more and see what you like.

Goosefilms - 19" K Dark China.

[Mike Goes Numb]

I'm liking the sound of the 21" HHX groove ride, but is it versatile enough for both most rock styles and funk/latin? Because I'm essentially looking for a ride with good tone, sustain, volume, medium pitch/brightish and definition. The groove ride seems to do well for all of those, I'd just like to get some opinions.

[GooseFilms.net]

Goosefilms - 19" K Dark China.
Do you mean 19" K China or 19" K Custom Dark China?

On the website, they all sound too dull and clangy, but i think they lightly tap it with the bead. I bet none of those china clips sound at all like they do in person. :angry:

[FL3P]

Chinas are hard to get a feel for in sound clips.

[Iskandar]

Chinas are hard to get a feel for in sound clips.
Make that "all cymbals." I don't trust sound clips myself. They're only useful for giving a general idea.

[FL3P]

I find that the clips on the Zildjian site are pretty helpful.

[samsamthegiantman]

I've been looking into some Ride Cymbals and I came to the Zildjian Custom Z cymbal.

Linky: http://www.zzounds.com/item--ZDJZC20R

If anyone could name the Pros and Cons of these cymbals that would be great.

Thanks

[FL3P]

I had one and liked it very much. It does have a nice ping and bell and I didnt find it to be overpowering.

[samsamthegiantman]

I had one and liked it very much. It does have a nice ping and bell and I didnt find it to be overpowering.
Are there any cons you would like to tell me, baby?:naughty:

[FL3P]

Well if you like to crash your ride then you dont want this one, otherwise if you want a nice heavy rock ride I would say give this a try.................and you relly threw me off with the "baby". :lol:

[samsamthegiantman]

Well if you like to crash your ride then you dont want this one, otherwise if you want a nice heavy rock ride I would say give this a try.................and you relly threw me off with the "baby". :lol:
Would this be a good ride cymbal for Jazz, though?

[FL3P]

I would say not, try some K's for jazz.

[samsamthegiantman]

I would say not, try some K's for jazz.
But, what's the difference? What's so good about the K series?

Sorry abvout bothering you.

[FL3P]

Have you never heard of Zildjian before? K's are darker and mellower and therefor better for lighter music.

[samsamthegiantman]

Have you never heard of Zildjian before? K's are darker and mellower and therefor better for lighter music.
I've heard of Zildjian before, but I just never understood the differences between one cymbal and another. Thanks oodles honey-bunch.

[Murd_666]

To goose films I recommend the HHX 18" Chinese.

[playwithfire]

Would this be a good ride cymbal for Jazz, though?I think a garbage can lid might be more suitable to jazz music than a Z Custom ride... Z Custom rides are the most one dimensional rides I've ever played. Z Custom rides are good if you are fighting to be heard amongst a HUGE amount of guitar amplification and refuse to mic your kit...

[FL3P]

Thanks for the add.

[playwithfire]

Anytime ;). Well seriously... if you're looking for anything jazzy, or anything even remotely versatile, you want to steer clear of Z Customs.