*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[pdpdrummer88]

Does anyone here have a 16 or 18" Paiste New Signature 'Dark Energy' Crash? Im looking to buy one and I'd like any input on them.

Thanks

[bobby__johnny]

yes.

www.massmusic.net

[slash_bmxer09]

Im looking for a Ride. I play mostly hard rock, some metal. Rarely soft things, but sometimes. Anyone have a suggestion for me? Any brand.

[Sponer]

^ Probably a Sabian AA medium ride? Meh, I don't know though. Don't take cymbal advice from me. :)


Anyways, how are Sabian AAX-Xcelerator hi-hats? I've never played them yet, but I hear they're good.
I currently have B8s which I need to upgrade. I play with a metal band, but I don't want cymbals that will ONLY be good for metal because when at home I play alot of styles and I want something versatile.

And whatever get, I think I've already decided the size: 13".

[bobby__johnny]

go with the AAX Stages for versatility then....the X-cellerators are pretty much like Mastersounds....that, and i think they only come in 14" right now...

[Hammerheart]

Im looking for a Ride. I play mostly hard rock, some metal. Rarely soft things, but sometimes. Anyone have a suggestion for me? Any brand.

Sabian Hand Hammered Raw Bell Dry Ride.

[Byron]

I'm looking for a ride that is really bright (high pitched?) and doesn't ring for a long time any brand

[bobby__johnny]

Sabian PRO dry Ride.

[Iskandar]

Does that even exist?

The regular PRO ride (20") would work very well for that situation. It's probably the best intermediate-level ride I've ever played.

[Seafroggys]

Would an A Earth Ride work as well?

[Iskandar]

Yes, definitely; but it's VERY heavy.

[Byron]

I would want a ride that really builds up too much sound if that is what you mean by heavy

[bobby__johnny]

Does that even exist?

The regular PRO ride (20") would work very well for that situation. It's probably the best intermediate-level ride I've ever played.

your questioning my Sabian knowledge?.....:confused:

but yes....it exists

Would an A Earth Ride work as well?

it would, but the Earth ride is somewhat dark i hear...the PRO ride is so bright it will make ears bleed.

[Iskandar]

your questioning my Sabian knowledge?.....:confused:

but yes....it exists



it would, but the Earth ride is somewhat dark i hear...the PRO ride is so bright it will make ears bleed.

I've never heard of a PRO Dry ride; but then, I haven't checked in a while. Is it a fairly new model?

[Seafroggys]

it would, but the Earth ride is somewhat dark i hear...the PRO ride is so bright it will make ears bleed.

Wouldn't a ZXT Ti do the same thing? :lol:

[Senseless Apprentice]

I'm looking for a ride that is really bright (high pitched?) and doesn't ring for a long time any brand


Take a look at Zildjian A Custom Ping rides. And if you want even less wash, you will find more ping in Zildjian Z Customs, or Sabian AA Metal-X.

[gimp fest]

would a 16" A medium thin crash, partly used for £50 be a good deal?

[bobby__johnny]

Wouldn't a ZXT Ti do the same thing? :lol:

sure...but the Pro Is cheaper, and sounds better

[elbassio]

Theres a chance to snap up a zildjian planet z crash for about 30 quid. Is it worth taking or not?

[dedard9fx]

I don't know if you're looking to something that is very loud. If yes, you're like me. My favorite cymbals are the Z series from Zildjian. From the little splash, crashes, chinas, up to rides, they're very loud and have a really good sound live! I recommand you to try them and let me know if liked them! :thumb:

[Iskandar]

The Z series is out of production. It has been for years.

And if you mean Z Customs, that's just wrong, wrong wrong.

[bobby__johnny]

I don't know if you're looking to something that is very loud. If yes, you're like me. My favorite cymbals are the Z series from Zildjian. From the little splash, crashes, chinas, up to rides, they're very loud and have a really good sound live! I recommand you to try them and let me know if liked them! :thumb:

he said planet Z....which is bareassed low end cymbal

the answer is no. dont waste your money

[elbassio]

he said planet Z....which is bareassed low end cymbal

the answer is no. dont waste your money

Well ****, I've just gone and got it. It was on ebay, and I thought "hey cheap crash!"

I should have known better. Thanks.

[Sinai Beach]

woo hoo just scored a sabian metal x 20" ride with hardshell case for $80 :)

[gimp fest]

i just missed a 20" AA rock ride for £50=$100 :(

[groomits]

I'm looking for a new crash. Now I have 14'' AA rock hats, 20'' aa rock ride, 15 AAX dark crash and a wuhan 12'' china. So I want something that will fit these cymbals. I play all styles but I'm more into rock, funk and more pop rock things (like the police).

I want 17-18'' crash, and I like darker cymbals.

[Seafroggys]

Hmmm, its not exactly a dark crash, but an AA 18" Medium Crash (yes I love that cymbal!) had a really nice, full sound, suitable to all styles of music. It would work well with what you have.

[Tim]

18 or 17inch AAX stage Crash or liek froggy boy up there said 18inch AA medium. im gonna get me a 17 AA medium after i get my hats.

[barttange]

Sabian AA Raw Ride 20"
Sabian AAX Stage Ride 20"
Sabian HHX Manhattan Jazz Ride 20"
Sabian SIGNATURE J. MAYER FIERCE RIDE 21"
Zildjian A Rock Ride 20"

What of these is the best cymbal for me?(I can get these cheap, all have about the same price), I want a non-gongy, dry sound and I actually like the Manhatten quite a bit, but is suitable for me since I play metal/rock.

[bobby__johnny]

18 or 17inch AAX stage Crash or liek froggy boy up there said 18inch AA medium. im gonna get me a 17 AA medium after i get my hats.


heh heh....i'm waiting for mine to come in :cool:


Sabian AA Raw Ride 20"
Sabian AAX Stage Ride 20"
Sabian HHX Manhattan Jazz Ride 20"
Sabian SIGNATURE J. MAYER FIERCE RIDE 21"
Zildjian A Rock Ride 20"

What of these is the best cymbal for me?(I can get these cheap, all have about the same price), I want a non-gongy, dry sound and I actually like the Manhatten quite a bit, but is suitable for me since I play metal/rock.

try the AA Heavy Ride....perhaps where you like the Manhattan, a K or Hand Hammered Heavy ride too.

but of those rides, the AAX Stage Ride would be the most versatile, and the A Rock Ride is what your describing

[barttange]

So you recommend the a rock ride?, it's pretty dry right?

[bobby__johnny]

its not so much thats its dry, but when you play with other musicians, you'll notice the tonal spread will be cut down substansially

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

^^^ Bobby is right, I notice with my ping ride that the overtones disapper when I'm playing with a band as apposed to just playing by myself.

I'd go with the Avedis rock ride, maybe try an AA Rock Ride as well

[bobby__johnny]

i have an AAX Dry ride, and there are stll overtones....its impossible to avoid. a cymbal that big, is just going to ring. its physics

however for me to hear the tones over a guitar, i REALLY have to be playing the edge.

[sleepless]

Some crashes bobby.

I want something dark and blending, yet explosive with a relatively quick decay.

And another, controllable with a good response also dark and maybe a bit trashy.

Keep durability in mind too. ;)

[dedard9fx]

he said planet Z....which is bareassed low end cymbal

the answer is no. dont waste your money

No no I mean Z Customs

[Joseph_Yamaha_SCA]

**** this, i found some wuhan chinas that i wanted, so i went to check my paypal account and some a55hole used the buy it now feature and beat me to it.. **** this. What a way to start a monday.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7349919495&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

[Nightmar3]

hey what do you guys think of the 7/9/11 sabian signature max splash?

[bobby__johnny]

Some crashes bobby.

I want something dark and blending, yet explosive with a relatively quick decay.

And another, controllable with a good response also dark and maybe a bit trashy.

Keep durability in mind too. ;)


1.) HHX Stage Crash

2.) Hand Hammered Fierce Crash

hey what do you guys think of the 7/9/11 sabian signature max splash?

the 7" isnt my thing....the 9 and 11 are nice, but you can get equally nice cymbals for cheaper (AAX,AA Splashes)

also, it sucks that they come in brilliant only

[sleepless]

HH Fierce Crash...is that fairly new? Because I can't find that anywhere.

[bobby__johnny]

nope, its a reletively old cymbal.

its a trashy crash, similar to the HHXtreme crash. i know portnoy is using one in his Siamese setup.

you can also hunt out the Signature Jojo Mayer Fierce crash....pretty much the same thing, only made to Mr. Mayers specs - both are awesome

[MrMome]

i own a fierce crash. hard to find on the web and none of my local dealers kept it in stock. i had GC order it for me. its an excellent cymbal and fits the description of what youre looking for. however, it is very expensive. save your pennies.

[DaleCrover1]

Hey all, a few questions here.

I'm planning on making a VERY large cymbals purchase some time in the near future to upgrade from my current ZXT setup, and I wanna do this right. I have some ideas, but I thought I'd see what you all thought.

I play mostly rock/punk/metal music, my style could basically be wrapped up by saying "A less talented Dave Grohl with a double pedal."

I'm thinking of going with Zildjian A Hi-Hats, 2 or 3 K Custom Crashes, a Zildjian A Series Crash to use for chrash-riding, a Zildjian A series Ride (probably a sweet ride), a Z Custom China, and 2 or 3 either A or A custom splashes.

I've read in here that K rides are mostly for jazz, but I've seen K crashes used in quite a few rock scenarios lately, Dale Crover of The Melvins uses one, Lars Ulrich had 2 or 3 on his kit on the Some Kind of Monster movie, in addition to multiple other instances, and I have to say the sound impresses me. The only thing I'm really concerned about is if the volume can cut through loud rock/metal music. I'm also alittle concerned of the fact that I hit fairly hard, I wouldn't wanna spend all that money and end up cracking the **** out of 'em.

I've also read on here that Z Custom cymbals are very un-versatile, but the sound I'm looking for in a China is very specific. I really love the way Lars' china sounds on the Metallica recordings and live performances, and I'm rpetty sure he uses Z Custom.

I'm fairly confident in my other ideas, A's and A Customs are pretty versatile so they should be OK for the setup I want.

I'm also gonna take a trip to the closest Sam Ash soon and do some testing, but I wanna get some opinions from here too.

So, any opinions? Is my plan fairly sound?? Feedback is much appreciated.:)

[Tim]

well the k custom crashes probably wont project like you want them too. and seeing how youre a hard hitter it might not be a good idea to get thin crashes. unless you have really great technique. medium thin is good and medium would be great too.
for crashes i would recommend a medium thin dark crash probably in size 17. (jsut my opinion) then maybe an A medium crash in 18 and a medium thin in 16 or 17. as for a ride
i would recommend an A ping ride or an A rock ride instead of a sweet ride. they will project better unmiced in your metal settings. for hats id definataley go with A new beats or Quick Beats. really get out there and try somestuff out though. i was gonna list some options from sabian but seeing how everything you put was from zildjian i thought maybe you didnt like sabian. maybe ill post some sabian ideas soon.

[stop coming to my house]

if anyone could help me, that'd be great.

im looking for a new cymbal set-up. preferably all in the same brand, and if possible the same series, but this is not as important if im heavily limiting my sound. im looking for 3 crashes, and i thought something like 15", 16", 17" would be good. the 16 would be my main crash, and i would like it to sound quite high pitched and clean, with few overtones, but with a medium to short decay. i would like the same for the 15, but obviously at a higher pitch. i would ride on my 17, so i would like this to be very controllable, while keeping the bright sound that i have from my other crashes. i don't want this to be a huge sounding cymbal...i've found when riding on a large crash, it dominates the sound of the rest of the kit. so, controllable and light i suppose.

my ride i would like to be very heavy, with a very prominant ping and very little wash. my hats i would like to be no bigger than 13", and i would like these to be very light sounding, and very controlled when used open. again, i would like a very bright sound that cuts through, but i don't want the sound to dominate or get out of control even when hitting hard.

the sizes can change, you can give me any ranges or brands you like. i've looked at a lot of cymbals but i think i've been looking at the wrong models. im not a specific brand whore, i would just like my kit to look neat. money isn't really an issue.

thanks.

[bobby__johnny]

my ride i would like to be very heavy, with a very prominant ping and very little wash. my hats i would like to be no bigger than 13", and i would like these to be very light sounding, and very controlled when used open. again, i would like a very bright sound that cuts through, but i don't want the sound to dominate or get out of control even when hitting hard.

thats a 20" AA Rock Ride, and 13" AAX Studio Hats right there.

I've read in here that K rides are mostly for jazz, but I've seen K crashes used in quite a few rock scenarios lately, Dale Crover of The Melvins uses one, Lars Ulrich had 2 or 3 on his kit on the Some Kind of Monster movie, in addition to multiple other instances, and I have to say the sound impresses me. The only thing I'm really concerned about is if the volume can cut through loud rock/metal music. I'm also alittle concerned of the fact that I hit fairly hard, I wouldn't wanna spend all that money and end up cracking the **** out of 'em.

I've also read on here that Z Custom cymbals are very un-versatile, but the sound I'm looking for in a China is very specific. I really love the way Lars' china sounds on the Metallica recordings and live performances, and I'm rpetty sure he uses Z Custom.

your looking at K's, but its apparent that your into louder styles....K Custom crashes arent for you my friend.

HHX Stage and/or power crashes would be your best bet...dark, yet powerful

the K Heavy ride, will be perfect for what you are looking for.

as for the Z Custom china, well, its powerful, but i've found they arent all that trashy. maybe look into an AA china, or oriental China Trash

as for your A/Custom selections.....not bad choices

your crashes, are probably best bet to all be AA Medium-thin or AAX Stage Crashes...or a mix of both

[elbassio]

No no I mean Z Customs

Like was said, planet Z not Z customs. I wish I could have snapped one of them up for £30! That cymbal came yesterday, its an 18" crash/ride. Its quite bright, with very little sustain and pretty much what you'd expect for thirty quid. Not great, but not terrible. Dont buy one as a main cymbal, whatever you do. Adds a different sound to the Sabian HHX I have though, which isn't bad.

[elbassio]

Ive seen Wuhans mentioned before. They any good?

[Tim]

Ive seen Wuhans mentioned before. They any good?

yes

[DaleCrover1]

i was gonna list some options from sabian but seeing how everything you put was from zildjian i thought maybe you didnt like sabian. maybe ill post some sabian ideas soon.I don't have anything against Sabian, it's mainly just that I'm more familiar with Zildjian is why I listed all Zildjian. Thanks for your reply and bobby_johnny for yours too.

In a crash, I basically want something that projects well but that won't ring for ever and ever, I guess the word I'm looking for is a quick decay.. right?? I'm not realy savvy with all of the lingo. My current crashes are two ZXT-Rock cymbals and, well... i hate them, they ring forever and I have to really lay into them to get a decent sound.

I wanna have 3 crashes to use sporadically in the middle of grooves, and then the 4th I want to be the big boy that I can crash-ride on and use for entire sections of songs... For the large one, I'm thinking a 20" Rock Crash either A or AA?? As for the other 3, I'm pretty afraid of medium-thin. I mean I personally don't think I hit that hard, it just feels natural to me... but every other drummer who knows me all agree that I'm a hard hitter, so it must be true. And I have cracked a cymbal before, so as expensive as this is gonna be I want durability. But I also don't wanna have to kill the thing to get a good sound. Is medium durable enough to withstand my playing?? I guess I could use all rock crashes, but then that takes away the idea of having the seperate sound during different parts of grooves, which I really want.

About the Z Custom China, that's kinda what I'm going for. I don't want an extremely trashy sound, kinda like a slightly trashier crash, but I'll definitely be sure to test a whole bunch out and make sure it's the right choice. As much money as I'm gonna be sinking into this, I want everything to be just right.

I also really like the idea suggested of a K Heavy ride. I had originally thought the idea of a K ride was appealing but I read on here they were mostly for jazz. So a heavy ride would project enough for rock/punk,etc?? I won't be crashing on my ride much, if any... that's what I'm gonna use my 4th crash for. So basically out of a ride, I want a great ping sound that projects enough but isn't super bright; so as long is it's loud enough the K Heavy sounds right.

Thanks guys for your input, it's much appreciated. Any more suggestions/input is also very much appreciated... :)

[bobby__johnny]

well, if your a hard hitter, finding that fast punchy crash (and have it survive) is no easy task.

maybe your best bet would be an A Custom Projection Crash

the big rider? a 20" AA Medium crash is right up your alley....maybe even an AA Crash/ride. those things are FULL sounding

the main 2 though? how about 17" and 19" HHX Stage Crashes?

[Chris]

Im looking for a ride that will go well with 15'' New Beat hats.
I would like it to be quite pingy, little or no wash, and a nice bell. And bigger then 20'', so about 21'' or 22''.
Im thinking about either a 22'' A custom ping ride, or a 22'' A ping ride. Will either of these suit what im going for?

Also, im looking at the A custom crash's, but I have read (off musicans freind) that they are some what thin, and are prone to breaking. Is this true?(im not a big hitter at all).

[bobby__johnny]

if you arent a hard hitter, dont worry

as for the ride, 21" HH Raw-bell Dry Ride

[Chris]

if you arent a hard hitter, dont worry

as for the ride, 21" HH Raw-bell Dry Ride

The only place that is local to me that sells that ride is wembely, so it looks like im off to there. The sound clip's on the sabian site sounds really nice, im going to have a look into that then.

Do you think this set up will go?
15'' New Beat Hats,
21'' HH Raw-bell Dry Ride,
17'' A Custom Crash
18'' A Custom Crash
18'' UFIP Tigar China (I have fallen in love with this)

[an_original_name]

^^^ maybe change the 17" A custom to a 16". there wont be a huge difference in sound between the 17" and 18". either that or you could go for 17" and 19".

other than that it looks good.

[bobby__johnny]

i'm liking the idea of 17/19

sounds good to me

[DaleCrover1]

I like the idea of HHX Stage crashes. How thick are they? Medium??

I'd like to have all my cymbals from one brand if possible. It's not 100% necessary, but if I can do it that way for some reason I'd feel better. Dunno why, I'm just wierd like that.

I was scrolling thru the Sabian pages on Musicians Friend, found some stuff that looked good.

I was thinking, just as ideas:

AAX Stage hats, HHX Stage Crashes (as suggested), HHX power ride, either HHX or AA-Metal X china, and either AA or AAX splashes.

I looked thru some crash-rides for the big crash I wanna ride on alot. I couldn't find any AA Crash-Rides for some reason. However, I did find an HH-Series crash ride that looked good:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=perc/search/detail/base_pid/441330/

Would that project enough for loud music?? What kinda of sustain do crash-rides have?? I'd like the groove to be decipherable if I'm riding heavy on it. There's nothing I hate worse than riding on a crash and listening back and hearing nothing but a big clangy high-pitched roar.

I was also thinking of an AAX Stage crash (17") to compliment the two HHX crashes. They (HHX) come in sizes 16" and 18" (atleast on musicisnas friend they do.)

Am I on the right track??

Also, I know there's differences... but basically in terms of Zildjian and Sabian, does it go: A:AA; A-Custom:AAX; K:HH for the most part?? What would the Sabian equivalent to the Z series be??

Thanks for all the ideas guys. All your feedback and ideas are really helping me!!

[cliffbot II]

If your looking for some good prices use Thomann.de. They are the cheapest place to buy equiptment

[bobby__johnny]

I like the idea of HHX Stage crashes. How thick are they? Medium??

they are Mediums. great cymbals.

[skadrummer411]

Okay, i've been lookinf into istanbul cymbals lately and i've fallen in love with the sound of the signature crash. But the problem is i've only one site to buy it from and they don't have very good prices. So I was wondering what other crash might have the same sound, mainly the dark raw tone, but I don't really want it to be trashy. So I did find the onurhan crash that, by description, sounded like it would be similar. Any suggestions would be great, and they don't have to be istanbul's.

[drummer172]

Im looking for something good to go with at Paiste Signature Full Crash. Suggestions?

[Ethan.]

Full Crashes are great... You looking for a different crash? Let us know what sound you want. Paiste says all their cymbals are "sonically matched"; but Sabian has "sonically matched" groups.

[Zerosk8]

I am looking for a new or used, dark, heavy crash. I want it to sound like my old HHXtreme crash. Help please?

[bobby__johnny]

well, ideally if you want something to sound like your old HHXtreme crash, then i highly advise buying an HHXtreme crash

Im looking for something good to go with at Paiste Signature Full Crash. Suggestions?

either a 2002 Crash, or another Full Crash in a different size

[Tim]

What would the Sabian equivalent to the Z series be??


AAmetalX

[skadrummer411]

Okay, i've been lookinf into istanbul cymbals lately and i've fallen in love with the sound of the signature crash. But the problem is i've only one site to buy it from and they don't have very good prices. So I was wondering what other crash might have the same sound, mainly the dark raw tone, but I don't really want it to be trashy. So I did find the onurhan crash that, by description, sounded like it would be similar. Any suggestions would be great, and they don't have to be istanbul's.
I feel stupid qouting myself but I would really like some help.

[Murd_666]

Okay I'm looking into a nice versitile set up and I'm planning ahead so I'm wondering what would be some good cymbals.

Hihats- I want some that sound nice at low volmes and at very loud ones to, something that has a really nice open sound

Crashes- I want 4, two main and two other, for the main ones I would like one nice and bright for more metal and rock situations, but not really the kind that u have to wham on them to get them to sound right, something more touch sensitive, for the second one something darker , I thinking the HHXplosion cause u barely have to hit it to make a sound, for my other ones something with a faster decay for quick accents and stuff, one bright and one dark.

ride- I want two first one , I want it to be dark, even amount of ping and wash, i want the bell to have a really nice ping but something thats not overwhelming, the secong one I want one with more wash and a brighter bell

so any suggestions

[Tim]

for crashes you could try someting like AAXplosions.

[KWG]

Alrighty, i need a new ride.....im thinking a 22" paiste 2002 or if anyone who know what the doors used thx..im all over the classic rock so anything you could recomend would be great.

[metallica girl]

hi everybody

[bobby__johnny]

thanks for derailing my thread.


welcome to MX

[boss]

Style of music:
Classic Rock and 90s rock like Foo's, Peppers, Nirvana etc

Setup:
13" HHX Groove Hats
14" AAX Studio Crash
16" HHX Stage Crash
21" HH Raw-Bell Dry Ride
Wuhan Chinas

Looking for another/bigger crash to compliment and a splash
Thanks

[barttange]

Try an 18'' AAX Studio Crash

[bobby__johnny]

Style of music:
Classic Rock and 90s rock like Foo's, Peppers, Nirvana etc

Setup:
13" HHX Groove Hats
14" AAX Studio Crash
16" HHX Stage Crash
21" HH Raw-Bell Dry Ride
Wuhan Chinas

Looking for another/bigger crash to compliment and a splash
Thanks

18" Hand Hammered Medium-thin Crash, 10" HHX Splash

[Ethan.]

Alrighty, i need a new ride.....im thinking a 22" paiste 2002 or if anyone who know what the doors used thx..im all over the classic rock so anything you could recomend would be great.

2002 rides are great, especially the bigger ones; the bell is small on them and the bigger ones have a bigger bell. 2002 is the classic rock cymbal line. John Bonham used a 24" 2002 Ride. They were called Giant Beats then I think

[Iskandar]

Giant Beats were hihats, I believe.

Style of music:
Classic Rock and 90s rock like Foo's, Peppers, Nirvana etc

Setup:
13" HHX Groove Hats
14" AAX Studio Crash
16" HHX Stage Crash
21" HH Raw-Bell Dry Ride
Wuhan Chinas

Looking for another/bigger crash to compliment and a splash
Thanks

You probably won't want that Studio Crash. It's a bit small and thin.

[bobby__johnny]

not nessessairly....it could be used for any low volume playing

[Iskandar]

He plays rock, though. Not the heaviest of rock, but still: the Studio Crash is meant for low-volume recording, is it not?

[bobby__johnny]

when you see Studio on a Sabian cymbal, they refer to the weight. a Studio model is a Thin weight....

i beleive at one time, Cradle of Filths drummer was rocking a few AAX Dark Crashes....which are thin

its all in technique and use.

[DaleCrover1]

Would an HH Crash/Ride be strong and loud enough for rock music??

[Brokensticks]

Bobby i wana say congrats on such a popular / useful thread.

[bobby__johnny]

Would an HH Crash/Ride be strong and loud enough for rock music??

certainly should. its all in the weight of the cymbal.

a thinner model wouldnt cut as much, but a heavier one would

if your miced, no worries on anything

Bobby i wana say congrats on such a popular / useful thread.

heh, thanks.

this is the 2nd or 3rd version of this thread too! :lol:

[Brokensticks]

Hey Np man your a great member of these forums

[gimp fest]

hi guys, could anyone give me a sabian version of the 20" a custom ping ride?

[Tim]

AA rock ride

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

I'd say thats more the sabian version of the A rock ride, though all 3 cymbals are pingy/have some washy undertones.

Not too familer with the sabian line, but I'd think that an AAX stage/studio ride would be a better fit.

[Brokensticks]

WHy does it have to be sabian?

[bobby__johnny]

who cares....its what he wants

AA tight ride....probably something similar

[gimp fest]

WHy does it have to be sabian?

because i would like a sabian set up? is that so wrong? :rolleyes:

who cares....its what he wants

AA tight ride....probably something similar

thanks man

[boss]

18" Hand Hammered Medium-thin Crash, 10" HHX Splash

would the above 18"AAX Studio work as well?

what about an 18" HHX Studio or a 20" AAX Stage?

[bobby__johnny]

sure it would work, but the Hand Hammered would blend better with your existing cymbals

[Nightmar3]

which is the best wuhan spalsh? (is s series the western thing?)

[an_original_name]

^^^ neither are better. they both have different sounds, you have to choose which you like more.

[Brokensticks]

logical harm i was joking Lol i am a brand whore too im sticking with Sabian aswell

[Seafroggys]

I'm not a brand whore. I own Sabian, Zildjian, Istanbul, and Wuhan, and except for the Wuhan, one of each :thumb: two wuhans here....

[Nightmar3]

^^^ neither are better. they both have different sounds, you have to choose which you like more.

yeah but I don' t know if I will be able to try them so I should need some advice!

[idspispopd]

What are your opinions on the A Zildjian Medium Thin Crash as opposed to the A Zildjian Medium Crash? I've heard some people say the A Zildjian Medium crash is a strict rock beast, which I don't think would be a wise choice for me. I play classic rock at home and in the high school jazz band.

P.S. Anyone ever break/ding an A Zildjian Medium Thin Crash? Thanks!!!

[FL3P]

I broke my first crash cymbal which was a Zildjian medium thin but that was a long time a go. If you want a multipurpose crash I would get a medium thin bur I dont think the mediums are just rock cymbals.

[Seafroggys]

I own a Sabian AA Medium crash, which is quite similar, if not almost exactly like, the Zildjian A. I love it, its very versatile.

You won't go wrong with either medium-thin or medium though. Whichever one you prefer.

[gimp fest]

logical harm i was joking Lol i am a brand whore too im sticking with Sabian aswell

faie enuf, i'm just looking to set up the basics for my pro cymbal selection and i will be purchasing a wuhan 12" and 18" china ;)

[pearlmark]

i was wondering are sabian xs cymbals gud...?

[bobby__johnny]

I own a Sabian AA Medium crash, which is quite similar, if not almost exactly like, the Zildjian A. I love it, its very versatile.

You won't go wrong with either medium-thin or medium though. Whichever one you prefer.

the medium will have a bit more attack and presence, but the medium-thin will be a bit more faster sounding.

[gimp fest]

has anyone tried the istanbul samatya series? in particular the 14" hats?

opinions?

[Seafroggys]

I've never heard of that series of Istanbul. Is it an Agop, Mehmet, or something completly different?

[Brokensticks]

Never heard of Istanbul :o

[gimp fest]

Never heard of Istanbul :o

then why post?

and seafroggys, they are from the mehmet factory

[Tim]

Never heard of Istanbul :o


slap!

:smash:
:upset:

[shadow_stalker]

Ok im thinking about getting a Wuhan china but dont know anything about them so could someone suggest a decent one?

[Ethan.]

They are super trashy. I have the 12" one and I don't even use it because it's too fast and sharp. Get a bigger one, maybe 16" or 18". I am getting a 16" next time.

[Hammerheart]

I'm looking for a china, I want it to be bright and fast.

[I'd Hit it]

^ AA Fast Chinese? I have the 16" AA chinese and it sure is bright.

[bobby__johnny]

i got a 16" on its way :thumb:

[Maynard4]

are there some cymbals that sound like paiste signatures but aren't so expensive?

[abandonthetruth]

^^ :lol: :lol:

[Iskandar]

I'm looking for a china, I want it to be bright and fast.

15" AAXplosion china, perhaps.

[GooseFilms.net]

Oh my god. Has anybody seen these? 19" Z Custom Thrash Ride

http://i18.ebayimg.com/02/i/04/b8/c5/1a_1_b.JPG

I thought it was a joke, until I found it on the Zildjian website.
Honestly... that hammering... that's just not logical.

[bobby__johnny]

looks like a Pro Sonix in the hammering

[Tim]

i imagine that thrash ride sounding liek complete sh!t. seriously. anyway they have been out for a few months now. i dont even want to try one.

[jaykemurd]

OK guys, I've got a fairly simple one. My A Med-Thin 16" Crash just ain't cutting it anymore. My 18" A Med-Thin is awesome, so I just want another 16 that will be loud, but very quick and bright and be comparable with an A or A Custom.

[MrMome]

OK guys, I've got a fairly simple one. My A Med-Thin 16" Crash just ain't cutting it anymore. My 18" A Med-Thin is awesome, so I just want another 16 that will be loud, but very quick and bright and be comparable with an A or A Custom.


^Projection Crash(?)

[Tim]

^Projection Crash(?)

that sounds like a good choice. i agree with the A custom projection.

[VTDS_xx]

I need a bright and cutting crash, for a reasonable price. Any ideas?
Also, I have a 18" Wuhan China and I'd like to find something for an also affordable price that is smaller and has a little different sound to it, being that the Wuhans are so trashy, I'd like one thats a little brighter and quick. Any suggestions? (Keep the low-ish budget in mind.)

[Iskandar]

Pro Sonix 16" crash.

[straycat101]

alright, im looking for a nice ride right now. i've been kinda turned onto the A Sweet Ride but i wanna know if there is anyhthing else out there. Right now im a Zildjian man but i wont mind going out of my box. also, i was thinking of buying a 14'' Wuhan China, but i wanna know if they are nice china's overall and if they are good for rideing

[Iskandar]

You'll probably want a bigger china for riding. 16" or 18" at least.

There are tons of great rides out there from all sorts of manufacturers. What kind of sound are you looking for?

[straycat101]

well, i mostly play rock, but i like my ride to have a more jazzy feel, maybe one to be crashed on a bit. i like the ride Dave Lombardo uses on his video on drummerworld.com

[straycat101]

Oh my god. Has anybody seen these? 19" Z Custom Thrash Ride

http://i18.ebayimg.com/02/i/04/b8/c5/1a_1_b.JPG



i bet thats the worst cymbal made by zildjian. they should be ashamed.

[Chippy569]

Bobby, i'm looking for a china. I need it to be VERY very dry, and short. I tried wuhan 12" and it was still too sustained for me. I dunno if what i'm truly looking for is a stacked china, but i'm pretty sure it's not. I plan to use it when i hit the snare at the same time, so it goes "CHh CHh CHh" and the hits are defined. Logically i'd be looking for something smaller, but i didn't find anything at Ellis (which had sabian china kangs, some stagg DH's, sabian china splash, wuhan 12 and 14" and a few other trinkets).
any ida?

[Murd_666]

i'm not bobby, but thy the aax china seams to work for me, or the metal x china, for something with quicker decay, aa fast china

[MrMome]

^ ^ ^ Yeah, try the Sabian AAX line - mini's and regulars. I think the Evolutions line has a mini china also. Zildjian orientals, imo, are fast too.

[Double Bass Jim]

i bet thats the worst cymbal made by zildjian. they should be ashamed.
Yea that looks BAD.

[Aaron]

hey, tommy lee uses it, it must be great.. hah.. i dont know what im looking at its that bad

[VTDS_xx]

How much does the 16" Pro Sonix cost? And do you guys think a 16" B8 Pro China would work? (I am a Sabian man)

[3_times_round]

i bet thats the worst cymbal made by zildjian. they should be ashamed.

I bet it is a fantastic ride, and you simply are (most likely) too ignorant to realise plenty of Z customs sounds great.

And a lot of you seem to be being the assumption on it's looks? Never turn down a cymbals becasue it looks bad.

[jaykemurd]

alright, im looking for a nice ride right now. i've been kinda turned onto the A Sweet Ride but i wanna know if there is anyhthing else out there. Right now im a Zildjian man but i wont mind going out of my box. also, i was thinking of buying a 14'' Wuhan China, but i wanna know if they are nice china's overall and if they are good for rideing

I've got a 14" Wuhan...not the best for riding, 18" is probably the best bet for that. The 14" is awesome for quick little accents though!

[Tim]

How much does the 16" Pro Sonix cost? And do you guys think a 16" B8 Pro China would work? (I am a Sabian man)


B8 pro chinas are decent. i would rather get it in 18inch but if you prefer 16 then go ahead

[straycat101]

I bet it is a fantastic ride, and you simply are (most likely) too ignorant to realise plenty of Z customs sounds great.

And a lot of you seem to be being the assumption on it's looks? Never turn down a cymbals becasue it looks bad.

i have never played a Z Cutsom that sounds good and ive played about atleast 15 of them

[bobby__johnny]

Bobby, i'm looking for a china. I need it to be VERY very dry, and short. I tried wuhan 12" and it was still too sustained for me. I dunno if what i'm truly looking for is a stacked china, but i'm pretty sure it's not. I plan to use it when i hit the snare at the same time, so it goes "CHh CHh CHh" and the hits are defined. Logically i'd be looking for something smaller, but i didn't find anything at Ellis (which had sabian china kangs, some stagg DH's, sabian china splash, wuhan 12 and 14" and a few other trinkets).
any ida?

HHX Evo Mini China man....that thing is short, and punchy....might not be so much dry, but at 14", its not going to matter

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

I bet it is a fantastic ride, and you simply are (most likely) too ignorant to realise plenty of Z customs sounds great.

And a lot of you seem to be being the assumption on it's looks? Never turn down a cymbals becasue it looks bad.

define "sounds great"

Perhaps to soem people sewer lids sound great...

Z Customs are made too heavy and too bright for anything but live performance with a loud band. Why only live? because they produce absolutly no musical sound whatsoever and they would sound terrible recorded in a studio compared to an A/K. They are a cymbal focused on raw power.

Saying that I have played a pauir of 14" regular hats and I did like them. Every single other cymbal I've touched has sounded disgusting.

[Aaron]

I bet it is a fantastic ride, and you simply are (most likely) too ignorant to realise plenty of Z customs sounds great.

And a lot of you seem to be being the assumption on it's looks? Never turn down a cymbals becasue it looks bad.

its heaps ignorant to not like a cymbal i've played isn't it?

[Aaron]

well, i mostly play rock, but i like my ride to have a more jazzy feel, maybe one to be crashed on a bit. i like the ride Dave Lombardo uses on his video on drummerworld.com

i think a 21" Sweet Ride would suit you madam

[VTDS_xx]

Is an 18" Pre-Used (Still in fantastic condition) A Custom Crash for 99$ good?

[bobby__johnny]

sure. make sure theres no cracks or keyholing

[3_times_round]

its heaps ignorant to not like a cymbal i've played isn't it?

Fair enough if you have tested it and didn't like it, but people have just shunned it becasue it's a Z custom.

There is no definiton of sounding good. It's personal prefernece. I know people that love this ride.

Just to say, I prefer A/K's too.

[Junknut]

Looking for 2 new crashes, I like the sound of both the Medium A custom crashes and the AAX Stage crashes as seperate cymbals, just trying to get an idea for how well these 2
would go together in a 16-18" setup or 17"-19" also any other idea's of crashes im after something that will go well for Hard rock type music, Im also after a contrast in sounds but don't want them to clash with each other either.

[bobby__johnny]

well if those two are the ones your looking at, make the AAX the bigger of the 2.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

go for 17" and 19" sizes, I dont htink a crash like an A custom meidum would work well in a 16" or below size.

If your after some more suggestions try A custom crashes and projection crashes. Maybe some K crashes well. I'd recomend the K dark crash medium thin

[ilikenoise]

I want another ride for the left side of my kit i.e. for open handed patterns, the lighter side of my playing.

My main ride is a 21" K Heavy which is going to be the more cutting and powerful of the two.
I want a contrasting ride i.e.: light, washy. Preferably Zildjian as my local has the mostly Z's in stock.

I'll let you cymbalaholics opinionate what'd suit as I might've just missed it out.

Cheers geez.

[bobby__johnny]

a K Custom Light Ride would go nicely i think

[Plan B.]

Ooh, try the K Custom Dry Light, I'm using it as my main right now actually.

Or maybe one of those Session Gadd models.

[3_times_round]

go for 17" and 19" sizes, I dont htink a crash like an A custom meidum would work well in a 16" or below size.

If your after some more suggestions try A custom crashes and projection crashes. Maybe some K crashes well. I'd recomend the K dark crash medium thin

I wouldn't recommend Projection Crashes of any sort. Mediums are better.

[Tma20SC]

I am looking for a chinese cymbal with a very nasty, trashy sound. I would prefer around a 14". I'm looking for the sound that the drummer from Flaw has on that song Payback. Sabian only plz! thnx

[skadrummer411]

I am looking for a chinese cymbal with a very nasty, trashy sound. I would prefer around a 14". I'm looking for the sound that the drummer from Flaw has on that song Payback. Sabian only plz! thnx
Does it really need to be sabian? Because you can get a wuhan china on musicainsfriend.com for around $20 and they are the best trashy, nasty sound you can get for your money.

[Tim]

Does it really need to be sabian? Because you can get a wuhan china on musicainsfriend.com for around $20 and they are the best trashy, nasty sound you can get for your money.


i agree.....get a wuhan. get the 20 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Tma20SC]

Awsome! I'll give it a try :thumb:

[MXboy]

As long as you're living in the lower 48 states, you have a whole range of cymbals to choose from. If your local music shop is crap, then screw them and use internet sites like musiciansfriend and massmusic.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

I wouldn't recommend Projection Crashes of any sort. Mediums are better.

Not a fan of the projections?

[gimp fest]

right-o, i'm looking for a 20" ride that has a clear pronounced bell and is not washy,

i wash thinking:

a custom ping
k custom
aa rock

suggestions or opinions?

thanks

[Aaron]

a custom ping

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Go for the K, it is by far the best ride I have ever had the oppurtunity to play on. I tmay be too washy for what you want but still try it out, pure sex i say!

[bobby__johnny]

AA Rock. truth is, the K doesnt even fit in there.

[gimp fest]

cheers guys, i am going to be buying it from us ebay( i'm from the uk), so do you think i should still go to the nearest shop and try them?

[bobby__johnny]

at least. if you can get a general idea of what the cymbal sounds like, then yes. the one your ordering though will of course sound different

[gimp fest]

right thanks, would there be any other rides you could suggest i try?

[bobby__johnny]

any and all rides that perk your interest

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

AA Rock. truth is, the K doesnt even fit in there.

Yeah but its still my favourite ride :rolleyes:

[nzrocker]

Ok got a question, i'm looking for a china and a splash to go with my sweet ride, my 18" K crash ride and my 14" paiste 2002 medium hats. I'm not an effects kinda guy, i mean i'm sort of new to effects cymbals, so any suggestions? I play a lot of pop/rock and sort of emo, but I also play a ton of classic rock and a bit of alternative, so I guess i'd be looking for something pretty stock? I'd probably want a 10" splash, something able to compete with my other cymbals, and I liked the 8" paiste dimensions splash BUT theres no paiste dealer in New Zealand. I want a china that's not too obnoxious, and probably bigger than 16" but really not a lot of preference. I know I haven't been very specific but that's why i'm here, maybe you guys could help me out? thanks a lot.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

17" K/K Custom Dark China
10" A/K splash

[Chester]

maybe 10" A splash and 18" oriental china trash

[HeLLmO]

maybe and 18'' B8 pro china, it's cheap too, but i dig it

[SalientArbiter]

Not sure if I will go through with this or not, but right now I have a setup that is this http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/SalientArbiter/Drum%20set%20pics/P9230022.jpg

14" Zildjian K hats
16" A Custom Zildjian Crash
17" Thin Dark K Zildjian Crash
20" K Zildjian Ride

I play jazz and funk, but the next cymbal I'm looking for I want to be a bright sounding cymbal to punctuate phrases with. I'm not sure what to get, splash, china, another smaller or bigger crash. Any suggestions?

[bobby__johnny]

i'd say a large splash (12" or so) or a small crash (13",14")

actually. now thinking about it. try a 13" AA El Sabor Salsa Splash....an oversized splash/undersized crash

[drummingtilldawn]

I'm looking for a another crash to go along with my 16" Sabian B8pro Medium Crash, I don't know much about cymbals but I want it to be a different tone but not too different that it would sound out of place. mainly for rock but also versatile in other areas of music i.e. It won't sound mega bad with jazz but killer with rock etc.

[SalientArbiter]

I'm looking for a another crash to go along with my 16" Sabian B8pro Medium Crash, I don't know much about cymbals but I want it to be a different tone but not too different that it would sound out of place. mainly for rock but also versatile in other areas of music i.e. It won't sound mega bad with jazz but killer with rock etc.

Very expensive cymbal, but get the 18" Zildjian K Constantinople Crash. That's what I'll be getting soon (if I get the money) even after the suggestion I got above you. I was listening to samples online, and it sounds the best. Most versatile too, looks like you can ride it pretty well, and a nice bright crash.

[bobby__johnny]

HHX Stage Crash. pure awesomeness

[zhong]

i'm looking for a smaller crash, preferbly thin to compliment my setup

currently, i own:
16" Meinl Customshop Fusion Crash
16" HH Medium Thin Crash
10" HHX Splash
14" HH Medium Hats
20" HH Medium Ride

5 piece rockstar

as u can see, my cymbals are basically quite dark sounding
looking @ 14" cymbals, brighter sounding, good fast feel

my choices are:
14" AAX studio crash
14" A custom crash
14" A custom fast crash

anyone any opinions on which one would be better and versatile
i play mainly rock and gospel

any other recommendations are welcomed :)

[Tim]

out of those 3 choices they are all great. i would go with the A custom crash or the studio.

[bobby__johnny]

i'd go studio....although to perfectly complement, while still boasting brighter voice, try a 14" HHX Studio Crash

[playwithfire]

Well Eric I'm *finally* buying my new ride today, and I need some recommendations on rides to try out. Ones I have my eye on already to scope out are 22" A Ping ride, 22" K Heavy ride, 21" A Rock ride, and 21" Signature Dry Heavy ride. I'm looking for a ride that will really cut, and be very audible, even in loud music, not just form a base for other instruments. I'd prefer if it was bright, but we'll see how much I like that K...it needs to be relatively dry, I don't want that much wash, and not a ton of sustain once I've stopped playing it (though obviously a ride that's either medium heavy or heavy weight and 21 or 22 inches is going to have a decent amount of sustain for sure). Any recommendations?

[SalientArbiter]

Well Eric I'm *finally* buying my new ride today, and I need some recommendations on rides to try out. Ones I have my eye on already to scope out are 22" A Ping ride, 22" K Heavy ride, 21" A Rock ride, and 21" Signature Dry Heavy ride. I'm looking for a ride that will really cut, and be very audible, even in loud music, not just form a base for other instruments. I'd prefer if it was bright, but we'll see how much I like that K...it needs to be relatively dry, I don't want that much wash, and not a ton of sustain once I've stopped playing it (though obviously a ride that's either medium heavy or heavy weight and 21 or 22 inches is going to have a decent amount of sustain for sure). Any recommendations?

20" Zildjian K Ride. Aside from riding on the 18" Constantinople crash it'll be the best ride sound you'll get from any cymbal, nylon OR wood tips. I've got one, it's ma baby. (Still waiting for the money for that Constantinople crash though)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b126/SalientArbiter/Drum%20set%20pics/P9230027.jpg

[real_low_mind]

I don't have any cymbals yet, except Pacific DW stock hi hats & I need a ride cymbal.
I play mostly classic punk but I don't know what kind of sound I want. Just the most versatile/inexpensive thing I guess that's still decent.

[playwithfire]

20" Zildjian K Ride. Aside from riding on the 18" Constantinople crash it'll be the best ride sound you'll get from any cymbal, nylon OR wood tips. I've got one, it's ma baby. (Still waiting for the money for that Constantinople crash though)Something tells me that even if that's an articulate ride it's not going to have the cut to justify it's expensive price tag.

[SalientArbiter]

Something tells me that even if that's an articulate ride it's not going to have the cut to justify it's expensive price tag.

If you play with a nylon tip it cuts incredibly well, and even without if they're new sticks. It tends to make the tips of my sticks chip a bit though. Also just the sound I love, just the classic K sound.

[bobby__johnny]

Well Eric I'm *finally* buying my new ride today, and I need some recommendations on rides to try out. Ones I have my eye on already to scope out are 22" A Ping ride, 22" K Heavy ride, 21" A Rock ride, and 21" Signature Dry Heavy ride. I'm looking for a ride that will really cut, and be very audible, even in loud music, not just form a base for other instruments. I'd prefer if it was bright, but we'll see how much I like that K...it needs to be relatively dry, I don't want that much wash, and not a ton of sustain once I've stopped playing it (though obviously a ride that's either medium heavy or heavy weight and 21 or 22 inches is going to have a decent amount of sustain for sure). Any recommendations?

AA Tight ride, Heavy Ride, Dry Ride
....maybe the ever awesome Sig Dry Heavy or Dry Crisp

[playwithfire]

Yeah I'm really looking forward to trying the Signature Dry Heavy, 21". Should be fantastic...we'll see if it's good enough to justify the price tag.

[bobby__johnny]

what about the Sig Power ride? or a 2002 Heavy ride

[Iskandar]

I don't have any cymbals yet, except Pacific DW stock hi hats & I need a ride cymbal.
I play mostly classic punk but I don't know what kind of sound I want. Just the most versatile/inexpensive thing I guess that's still decent.

20" Sabian Pro ride.

[Murd_666]

I don't have any cymbals yet, except Pacific DW stock hi hats & I need a ride cymbal.
I play mostly classic punk but I don't know what kind of sound I want. Just the most versatile/inexpensive thing I guess that's still decent.
B8 pro medium ride

[playwithfire]

what about the Sig Power ride? or a 2002 Heavy rideNot sure, Sig Power ride might be a bit *too* much in the direction I'm looking in. I leave for the store in about an hour :thumb:.

[bobby__johnny]

let me know hoe it turns out....wont be on MSN though....at work

[playwithfire]

Well it's official. I've ordered 1400 dollars worth of cymbals, and have 500 dollars worth of cymbals on layaway. lmfao. I've decided Paiste Signatures are up my alley...I've ordered 4 rides to try, 2 Zildjians, 2 Paistes, and I have an 18" Signature Full crash and an 18" A Medium Thin crash on hold.

[Plan B.]

VERRRRY nice.

:cool:

[playwithfire]

Yep, I've decided against going with traditional finish as well, asince the Signatures are a nice briliant type finish, though they aren't Signature Reflectors, those are just crazy.

Layaway:
18" A Medium Thin brilliant (sounded better than the others. 2 brilliants and a trad, this one was best). 18" Signature Full crash.

Order:
21" Signature Dry Heavy ride, 22" Signature Dry ride, 22" K Heavy ride, 22" A Ping ride.

[withering_rose]

ok, I've had the same cymbals for several years now, I think its time to get some new ones. currently I have a Sabian B8 18" ride and Sabian B8 14" hi-hats. I'll be playing mostly rock/hard rock, punk, hardcore/emo, ska, and jazz. could people recomend some cymbals for me? I'm really only looking for new hats (if needed), a new ride (again, if needed), and a crash cymbal (which I dont' have). I'd like a darker sound, I'm not fond of very bright cymbals.also, I'll be playing with wood tips if that makes a difference.

EDIT: I've been listening to a fair amount of soundclips of cymbals and I've found I'm fonder [sp?] of the crash cymbals with more attack and definition. as for rides I'd like something thats on the washy side, but can still get moderate stick definition. as for hi-hats, I'd like something that has very clear stick definition but can also be washy aswell.

[ckeaenaiyn]

i am planning on buying a set of zildjian z custom cymbals ( 14'' mastersound hats, 16'' rock crash, 10'' splash) and am undecided on a ride. i would prefer it were within the z family so it would blend better. i play mainly heavy metal stuff but sometimes lighter metal. i dont play jazz or pop or anything like that. i really want a ride that cuts through without a lot of wash and has a nice bell ( im a bell fanatic). some rides i love are the ones that strapping young lads drummer uses and the one arch enemy's drummer uses. any suggestions would be much appreciated.

[playwithfire]

Dude, do yourself a favor. Get 14" A Rock hats, a 21" A Rock ride, an 18" A Medium crash, and a 12" A splash...Z Customs sound like crapola and your A's will be usable in a ton of other scenarios.

[[UEAK]Clowd]

Bright, fast crash that will still project over the rest of the music.. Shimmery, bright, but something that will crash high and then die out fairly quickly.

I really like the A Custom Fast Crash, but, I'm not so sure it will be loud enough?

[playwithfire]

It's a great cymbal, believe me. Played a 17" for 2 years. Amazing crash cymbal.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Dude, do yourself a favor. Get 14" A Rock hats, a 21" A Rock ride, an 18" A Medium crash, and a 12" A splash...Z Customs sound like crapola and your A's will be usable in a ton of other scenarios.

Listen to the man!

[playwithfire]

If he wanted to be even more versatile, I would recommend New Beats...A Rock's are good, he said he plays basically strictly heavy metal, but still...New Beats are solid in any situation.

[withering_rose]

ok, I've had the same cymbals for several years now, I think its time to get some new ones. currently I have a Sabian B8 18" ride and Sabian B8 14" hi-hats. I'll be playing mostly rock/hard rock, punk, hardcore/emo, ska, and jazz. could people recomend some cymbals for me? I'm really only looking for new hats (if needed), a new ride (again, if needed), and a crash cymbal (which I dont' have). I'd like a darker sound, I'm not fond of very bright cymbals.also, I'll be playing with wood tips if that makes a difference.

EDIT: I've been listening to a fair amount of soundclips of cymbals and I've found I'm fonder [sp?] of the crash cymbals with more attack and definition. as for rides I'd like something thats on the washy side, but can still get moderate stick definition. as for hi-hats, I'd like something that has very clear stick definition but can also be washy aswell.
yeah, any help for me guys?

EDIT: sorry, the ride I have is actually a sabian B8 crash/ride. I hate the thing with a passion. my high hat is alright, but I'd like something better suited for my needs

[straycat101]

Clowd']Bright, fast crash that will still project over the rest of the music.. Shimmery, bright, but something that will crash high and then die out fairly quickly.

I really like the A Custom Fast Crash, but, I'm not so sure it will be loud enough?


i have a 17'' and it is amazing, it cuts like no other and decays fast, great for punk/metal/rock pretty much anything,

[straycat101]

also, im looking to buy a new ride right now and a china. i was looking at the Sabian AA Medium Ride, and the Sabian ProSonix 18'' chinesse. you guys have any recomendations or reviews on these cymbals? also, right now i have a kit that is part Zildjian, part Paiste and this would make it part Sabian, is there any drawbacks to mixing brands?

[xX_selkiesteo_Xx]

ive been looking for some new cymbals for a practice set... im not really looking for top quality... i want something from like 60-90 bucks for the crashes (preferably 16" and 18") and around 70 for a hi hat TOP... I've been looking at the

14" Zildjian ZXT rock hats
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/441177/
$64.99

18" Paiste PST 5 Rock Crash
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/447562/
$79.99

Wuhan Western Cast Crash Pack 16"
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/445867/
$69.99

I would like to know if these cymbals are worth buying...

If so, is there anywhere i can get them cheaper

If not could you help me find some better ones...

... and ive been wondering... are heavy crashes any good... i have only tried medium and medium- light

THANX

[Tim]

get the wuhans. zxt=teh gayzzors

[I'll Kill You With Sharp Stick]

are the WUHAN s series crashes and hi hats any good???

[Seafroggys]

also, im looking to buy a new ride right now and a china. i was looking at the Sabian AA Medium Ride, and the Sabian ProSonix 18'' chinesse. you guys have any recomendations or reviews on these cymbals? also, right now i have a kit that is part Zildjian, part Paiste and this would make it part Sabian, is there any drawbacks to mixing brands?

Nothing at all. Currently I have Zildjian, Sabian, Istanbul, and WUhan in my setup, and I love it. Of course my setup isn't finalized, I still need to replace a couple of cymbals and get new ones, but as long as my tastes don't change, i'll eventually have Zilj, Sab, Istanbul, Wuhan, and Paiste in my setup.

[Double Bass Jim]

are the WUHAN s series crashes and hi hats any good???
Great so are the "trad" series.

[FloridaSoul]

Questions about Z Custom Mastersound hats and A Custom Mastersound hats:

1. Which are more versatile?
2. Which would fit better with an A Custom Ride (20"), a Z Custom Rock Crash (16"), and a Z Custom Medium Crash (17")?

Right now I'm leaning towards the A's (maybe even New Beats, probably not though), but what's your opinion?

[Tim]

Questions about Z Custom Mastersound hats and A Custom Mastersound hats:

1. Which are more versatile?
2. Which would fit better with an A Custom Ride (20"), a Z Custom Rock Crash (16"), and a Z Custom Medium Crash (17")?

Right now I'm leaning towards the A's (maybe even New Beats, probably not though), but what's your opinion?


go with new beats. they are the most versatile but if not then get the A customs.

[3_times_round]

A customs are always more versatile. Z customs are designed for heavy playing.

For a crash I would say the 16" Rock crash. That 17" Medium will be VERY loud. Medium is the 2nd heaviest Z custom (I think).

Try some A Custom Mediums if you are looking for a hevay sound. I tried a 17" AC Medium today and it was fantastic. Warm and bright, but slightly darker than regualr AC's.

Maybe for hats try an A/Z combination? A Custom Top, Z custom mastersound bottom? Would be heavy and cutting, but failry versatile.

Edit: /\ New beats definetly are the most versatile.

[Seafroggys]

go with new beats

Anything else this man has said is pointless. go with his first sentance

[withering_rose]

I'm looking for a new ride, a crash cymbal, and possibly new hats. currently I only have sabian B8 14" hats, and a sabian B8 18" crash/ride cymbal (which I hate with a ****ing passion). I'll be playing rock/punk so for a crash I'm looking for something that can cut through but also decays pretty fast. for ride, I'm for the ride I want something that cuts through as well, but thats not deafening. also, I'd like the ride to be fairly washy. a lot of the stuff I listen to, it sounds like they're using a crash cymbal instead of a ride for the rhythm sections in the songs. as for hats, something thats darker, and decent stick definition.

[Tim]

I'm looking for a new ride, a crash cymbal, and possibly new hats. currently I only have sabian B8 14" hats, and a sabian B8 18" crash/ride cymbal (which I hate with a ****ing passion). I'll be playing rock/punk so for a crash I'm looking for something that can cut through but also decays pretty fast. for ride, I'm for the ride I want something that cuts through as well, but thats not deafening. also, I'd like the ride to be fairly washy. a lot of the stuff I listen to, it sounds like they're using a crash cymbal instead of a ride for the rhythm sections in the songs. as for hats, something thats darker, and decent stick definition.


AA medium crash or A custom medium crashes.

[withering_rose]

AA medium crash or A custom medium crashes.
thanks :thumb:

any ideas for the ride or hats?

EDIT: also, what size crash?

[Tim]

thanks :thumb:

any ideas for the ride or hats?

EDIT: also, what size crash?

well if youre just getting 1 crash then id suggest a 17.

[FloridaSoul]

A customs are always more versatile. Z customs are designed for heavy playing.

For a crash I would say the 16" Rock crash. That 17" Medium will be VERY loud. Medium is the 2nd heaviest Z custom (I think).

Try some A Custom Mediums if you are looking for a hevay sound. I tried a 17" AC Medium today and it was fantastic. Warm and bright, but slightly darker than regualr AC's.

Maybe for hats try an A/Z combination? A Custom Top, Z custom mastersound bottom? Would be heavy and cutting, but failry versatile.

Edit: /\ New beats definetly are the most versatile.
Thanks, I actually have both of those crashes, I was asking which hats would go well with them.

I tried them all out at the local music store, I think I'm going to go with the New Beats.

[withering_rose]

well if youre just getting 1 crash then id suggest a 17.
yeah, I can only afford one crash at the moment. would the 16 work? I've been listening to the sound clips on the site (I know they arn't great for what the cymbal actually sounds like but its all I've got for the moment) I'm likin the sound of the 16

/goes back listen to more clips

[withering_rose]

I'm liking the 17 a custom medium crash
still lookin for a ride and hats. for the ride I want something thats very crashable for rhythm and not to pingy. for hats, something that'll be good for rock/punk/hardcore and jazz

[Tim]

yeah, I can only afford one crash at the moment. would the 16 work? I've been listening to the sound clips on the site (I know they arn't great for what the cymbal actually sounds like but its all I've got for the moment) I'm likin the sound of the 16

/goes back listen to more clips

nothin wrong with a 16. i was just suggesting a 17. i have 18 and 16 crashes.

[withering_rose]

nothin wrong with a 16. i was just suggesting a 17. i have 18 and 16 crashes.
I like the zildjian 17 a custom medium crash, but I want something with a bit more bite, more attack. I also like the sabian 16 AA medium crash, but again, I want something with more bite to it.
still lookin for ride and hat suggestions

[Seafroggys]

hardcore and jazz

I think black and white is putting it mildly......

Anyway, on a more serious note, you want versatility in that case. And when you want versatility, there is one hat that is god among bronze: New Beats :thumb:

[Tim]

I think black and white is putting it mildly......

Anyway, on a more serious note, you want versatility in that case. And when you want versatility, there is one hat that is god among bronze: New Beats :thumb:

lol you and your new beats. youre right though.

[Motleyguy]

I'm looking for some light hats, with a nice sizzle, but strong enough to stand up to some hard playing and able to be heard over 2 guitars and a bass in a live unmiced setting.

Oh and preferably in a medium price range

[bobby__johnny]

AAX Stage Hats for a lighter, yet equally versatile pairing

[withering_rose]

I think black and white is putting it mildly......

Anyway, on a more serious note, you want versatility in that case. And when you want versatility, there is one hat that is god among bronze: New Beats :thumb:
I'm not going to be playing much jazz, it actually won't really have to sound good for jazz, the only time I'll be playing jazz is when my drum instructor gives a jazz peice for me to practice

[little_drummer_boy1]

when did zildjian stop making the z custom rock crashes that have star shaped punches rather than the round or circular ones they have today and had a large z printed on the opposite end of the cymbal insted of a small z next to the writing (z custom what ever) and where can i find the star shaped ones described above

[3_times_round]

E-bay. 1991 came to my head at first, but then was when they stopped making Z's and strated witn Z customs (I think.)

I'm pretty sure they still make ZC rock crashes, but the star hammering was stopped in 1991 (again, I'm not sure).

[little_drummer_boy1]

what would be the next best thing to the old z customs (i think they sound different but i may be wrong)

[3_times_round]

AA-Metal-X...??? Some one who knows more than me will give a better option.

In my opinion you should try out A customs. Much better cymbals.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

an A Custom Projection Crash is a good one to go for if you want somethign like a rock crash. Same volume and projection as a rock crash, but you dont have to beat the **** out of it to get any sort of decent sound. its a much more lively cymbal as well, I guess you could describe it as being more "musical" than the rock crash.

You could also check out an A Custom Medium crash, but I've never had the chance to test one out so I would have no idea how it sounds.

[3_times_round]

Mediums are better than projections. They are heavier, but are more musical. Projections have a bad reputation for being the worst of the A customs.

I tried a 17" Medium the other day and it was fabolous. I'm getting a 19" in the next few weeks (if in stock when I go to America).

[bobby__johnny]

AA Medium and Rock. best heavy and medium cymbals....period (for bright tones anyway)

[n!ch]

I'm Thinking of getting A custom Projection cymbals (20 ride, 18 crash, 18(non projection), and A custom 13 mastersound hats.
I currently have ZXT Titaniums... I know i know,.,,
But i play punk(blink) and i also have a grindcore band...
Any suggestions welcome.
What cymbals would you sugest that would be great for both styles?
thx,

:evil:

[skadrummer411]

Okay, I need suggestions on crashes. I've narrowed my searching down to a few things. I like thesabian aax dark crash and the aa medium thin. So any suggestions along those lines (something dark) would be great. And in the price range as well. Thanks.

[3_times_round]

What type of music do you play? I am gonna recommend K Custom Dark Crashes for a dark cymbal, hence the name, but their volume isn't great. Possible a large A Custom Medium or Projection crash? Maybe a Z Custom if you are looking for volume.
Look into Paiste Dimensions, AAX and AA, K custom Dark, A custom Medium/Projection, Z custom.

[Murd_666]

I'm Thinking of getting A custom Projection cymbals (20 ride, 18 crash, 18(non projection), and A custom 13 mastersound hats.
I currently have ZXT Titaniums... I know i know,.,,
But i play punk(blink) and i also have a grindcore band...
Any suggestions welcome.
What cymbals would you sugest that would be great for both styles?
thx,A Sweet Ride, A 17" AA Medium Crash, AAX 17" Stage Crash, AAX Stage Hats, I think that should work.

[3_times_round]

Ok, I'm hoping to buy a 19" A Custom Medium Crash when I go to America (tomorrow!), but in the sceanrio that it is not in stock (I have emailed the Guitar Centre nearest asking for it to be in stock, they haven't replied). So basically, looking for a cymbal that will be similar to the 19" ACM. I'm thinking along the lines of 19" or 20" A custom crashes.
Would an 18" K Custom Dark crash not have the same volume?
My budget will be about $230.

[maniac0796]

hi. Im looking for a ride that has a dry ping all over it. supposedly these are the most expensive, but i dont care, thats what losing my bank withdrawl card is for....? Any ideas to whcih cymbal?

[Bloodlust]

im looking for a new crash and hi-hats. I play pop-punk, punk and some hardcore. Some of my favorite bands are fall out boy, green day, senses fail, AFI, alkaline trio, rise against etc. I was looking at the zildjian A series, but i don't really know much about sabian cymbals. Any suggestions?

[bobby__johnny]

A. Zildjian or Sabian AA Medium Crash. nuff said

[Seafroggys]

im looking for new hi-hats. I was looking at the zildjian A series. Any suggestions?

New Beats!

[GooseFilms.net]

Quick story

Today at guitar center, I hit a ride without looking at what it was, and immediately thought "**** that thing sounds nice!" I look at it, and it is of course, my 20" K Custom Ride. God I love this thing.

[Brokensticks]

Quick story

Today at guitar center, I hit a ride without looking at what it was, and immediately thought "**** that thing sounds nice!" I look at it, and it is of course, my 20" K Custom Ride. God I love this thing.

Interesting story. Do you usually randomly hit cymbals at GC :p

[Tim]

Interesting story. Do you usually randomly hit cymbals at GC :p

thats the best way to do it. so then you arent lured by the look or brand of the cymbal.

[Brokensticks]

True, I thought of that afterwards.... Seriously.. Im not just saying it because you did.

[poppinfresh]

im looking for a new crash and hi-hats. I play pop-punk, punk and some hardcore. Some of my favorite bands are fall out boy, green day, senses fail, AFI, alkaline trio, rise against etc. I was looking at the zildjian A series, but i don't really know much about sabian cymbals. Any suggestions?
aax should be a good choice, they are cheaper also.

[Tim]

AAX stage hats. 14inch on massmusic for $190 after shipping^^ :D

[Epiphender]

How's the 16" K Custom Special Dry Crash work out as a main crash? All I've got for crashes right now is a 14" AAX Studio.

[CoolDude7767]

I need two cymbols:
( I play in a Thrash Metal / Metal, band. )

Sabian Hi-Hats 14" and Great for Metal.
(I have no price range)

And also...

Sabian China 17" or 18" And it also should be a great Metal cymbol.
(I have no price range)


Thanks to who ever can help me out.