*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[bobby__johnny]

try some K Mastersounds maybe...

[Meeko]

you need versatility
versatility = AAX stage hats
versatility = New Beats
Quick Beats as well. Them are nice. :naughty:

[red n black]

Buy the K/Z.

But buy a K bottom too. that way:

Hardcore: K/Z
Jazz: K/K

:thumb:

[aywkubt_tod]

Buy the K/Z.

But buy a K bottom too. that way:

Hardcore: K/Z
Jazz: K/K

:thumb:


oooh i like the sound of that! cheers mate!!

[PuppyGooGoo]

Anyone have any experience with the the 12" zildjian a custom special recording hats? I found them for $100 and I'm interested.

[bobby__johnny]

unless your buying them as auxilliary hats, dont bother....12" is too small for a decent main hat.

[Deranged_Drummer15]

I play music similar to Thrice, would 14" Sabian AAX Stage Hats work for that type of music? Those are the hats I'm looking at...any help is greatly appreciated.

[Chester]

its not always about the bands u play music of, its what u like, u can use whatever, but those hats are excelent and i recomend them to any buyer, theyr one of sabians most versatile hi-hats

[Deranged_Drummer15]

Ok, because I think those are what I'm going to get....I hope not a bad choice. Any crashes to go with that? I'm looking for something with a shorter sustain that's brighter and then another crash with a medium sustain and a little less bright. Thanks for the help

[Tim]

I play music similar to Thrice, would 14" Sabian AAX Stage Hats work for that type of music? Those are the hats I'm looking at...any help is greatly appreciated.

stage hats are so versatile theyd work in jsut about any kind of music.

[Tim]

Ok, because I think those are what I'm going to get....I hope not a bad choice. Any crashes to go with that? I'm looking for something with a shorter sustain that's brighter and then another crash with a medium sustain and a little less bright. Thanks for the help

try the stage crashes.

[Iskandar]

stage hats are so versatile theyd work in jsut about any kind of music.

I disagree. They're rather bright and work best in rock situations, I find - which, of course, makes them great for what the guy wants out of them.

[ZOFO77]

Hey Drum Peepz..............question advice wanted....

Have Ludwigs 5 pc w/ 13" New Beats, 18" A Custom Crash, 17" A Custom Projection Crash. However I have the worlds worse ride still left over from my beginner kit....ZBT RIDE. I have to move on...and catch up....I really want a great ride. I like my other cymbals that I have upgraded. However I do not like so much the A Custom rides I have heard. What would be the best addition.......

I love the K sound and almost got K hats..... I like rock as well as jazz but I would rather keep my kit more on the rock side for now....I have heard many a peepz suggest K Rides non the less..... YOUR SUGGESTIONS and HELP will be APPRECIATED.....!

[aywkubt_tod]

i'd go Zildjian 21" Avendis Sweet Ride

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Look at A Medium and Ping rides, the K ride, K heavy ride and the K Custom ride.

[slickrick1688]

try the k ride. I too play rock and it works great

[bobby__johnny]

i'd go Zildjian 21" Avendis Sweet Ride

AVEDIS

go with the 22" A. Zildjian Medium Ride :thumb:

[PremierManiac]

I'm looking for a crash with a very warm sound that isn't too sharp on impact.

[GooseFilms.net]

zofo, look into k custom rides

[aywkubt_tod]

I'm looking for a crash with a very warm sound that isn't too sharp on impact.

A Custom 17" Medium

[an_original_name]

I'm looking for a crash with a very warm sound that isn't too sharp on impact

try an 18" medium thin HH

[ZOFO77]

zofo, look into k custom rides

The K's are very pretty........ :p I really struggled between the Avedis New Beat and K hats..........went New Beats. So do u think A Hats, A Custom Crashes and K Ride all mesh well.........?

Is the K Heavy the most rock like....?

[ZOFO77]

The K's are very pretty........ :p I really struggled between the Avedis New Beat and K hats..........went New Beats. So do u think A Hats, A Custom Crashes and K Ride all mesh well.........?

Is the K Heavy the most rock like....?



OOOOPS, just noticed u said K CUSTOMS not K's...are not the customs more jazzy in nature?

[LostInMusic464]

Would you guys suggest an 18" AAX Dark Crash for a Crash to ride with? I'm looking to replace my Z Custom 18" Projection which I sometimes ride on.

[Tim]

i dont know much about splash cymbals so whats a good versatile splash?

[Iskandar]

i dont know much about splash cymbals so whats a good versatile splash?

Selecting a splash shouldn't be too difficult: there aren't that many to choose from. I say go 10": AA or Avedis will work fine.

[Tim]

yea thats what i was thinking the avedis 10inch. i had also thought aax too but im not sure.

[LostInMusic464]

Check out Wuhan splashes also, you'll save quite a bit of money.

[CombatWombat3]

^^^they're REALLY not for everyone though, and not esecially versatile.

[LostInMusic464]

^^^they're REALLY not for everyone though, and not esecially versatile.
You're more than right.

[hundurinn]

I'm planning on buying a Paiste 2002 16" Crash. What is your opinion on the 2002 crashes?

[bobby__johnny]

a very versatile crash....along the line of an A or AA Medium Crash

[full collapse]

I need a very versatile ride. Any brand. Needs to be able to project loud when needed. Crashable. Needs to be able to suit jazz, rock, and metal. I know there isn't any ride really like this but, any ideas would be great.

[bobby__johnny]

there sure is: 21" AA Medium Ride

[full collapse]

I will look into that. I was considering a 21" A Custom Medium Ride or Projection Ride, also. Thoughts?

Just because I kind of lean towards Zildjians other cymbals... crashes, hats, ect. because, I guess I just haven't really found any Sabian hi-hats or crashes I really enjoy and Paiste is just too expensive and it's always nicer to find everything you want under the same brand, ha. But, it isn't a must.

Also, it really doesn't have to suit jazz all that much. I just like playing jazz on my own time. But, i'm more intrested in a ride that can play from pop-rock to metal because, those are the kind of bands I play in. ANYWAYSSSS! BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. Insight is appreciated.

[Matter]

I'm planning on buying a Paiste 2002 16" Crash. What is your opinion on the 2002 crashes?


I own the 2002 18'' crash and the 2002 18'' power crash...the only cymbals I've heard that have made me switch out my Paiste Signaturre crashes for those...and thats saying alot...buy it...now!

[Chester]

I need a very versatile ride. Any brand. Needs to be able to project loud when needed. Crashable. Needs to be able to suit jazz, rock, and metal. I know there isn't any ride really like this but, any ideas would be great.
i noticed you said crashable, the AAX stage rides have a good crash sound for a ride, theyr pretty good, the only setback is that they have a smaller bell, so if u use ur bell on the ride a lot, you might want to stay away from this one, thers prolly betr options out ther but i just know about this one cuz i got a stage ride

[Tim]

i noticed you said crashable, the AAX stage rides have a good crash sound for a ride, theyr pretty good, the only setback is that they have a smaller bell, so if u use ur bell on the ride a lot, you might want to stay away from this one, thers prolly betr options out ther but i just know about this one cuz i got a stage ride

yea curse the freakin small bell :( . its a great ride though.

[bobby__johnny]

actually, if you want to crash, a bigger bell is the way to go.

[Queen Anne's Revenge]

I'm looking for 2 chinas, one 14 and one 18 both quick and fairly trashy. Sabian preferred.

[LostInMusic464]

Would you guys suggest an 18" AAX Dark Crash for a Crash to ride with? I'm looking to replace my Z Custom 18" Projection which I sometimes ride on.
...

[full collapse]

I'm looking for 2 chinas, one 14 and one 18 both quick and fairly trashy. Sabian preferred.

Sabian AAX

[Tim]

I'm looking for 2 chinas, one 14 and one 18 both quick and fairly trashy. Sabian preferred.

18inch AA chinese. its great.

[shadow_stalker]

Sorry if this is the wrong place but since this is a cymbal thread so i guess this could be a good place to put it, rather than buying proper cymbal polish would it work just aswell if i just used mr muscle or something along those lines?

Also paiste cymbal cleaner would work just aswell on things like sabian and zildjian wouldnt it?

[LostInMusic464]

Also paiste cymbal cleaner would work just aswell on things like sabian and zildjian wouldnt it?
Yes. I think Ken does that.

[Murd_666]

Queen anne's revenge- 14"- look in to the HHX Evolution Mini or the AAX Mini
18"- AA China, AA Metal-X, AAX China, are good ones if you want one really trashy look in to the wuhan series and the AAXTreme chinas.

[Killroy]

Sup guys, i am looking into getting atleast one more crash, a china and another ride

anyways, my next crash is going to be a Sabian (probably an AAX?), i like Sabian crashes.
however im not such a big fan of their Rides, so this is where the great MX community comes into play. i'm looking for a Ride that doesnt have a long long ring like my Sabian B8 ride does...im looking for a trashy, metal kind of sound, im not really a big brand name whore, so feel free to throw out any companies names.

and as for the China, well i am totally lost on china's, im simply looking for a metal sounding china, any recomendations?

[bobby__johnny]

a trashy ride? wont find one that suits metal needs man.

20" AA Rock ride would be my suggestion

as for the china, sounds like you want a 20" Wuhan

[Killroy]

well how bout this, is there any Ride's that anyone knows of that has nice projection, but not a long ringing sound?...its just the ringing annoys the hell outta me...

[bobby__johnny]

well, given the fact that your looking for a large cymbal, it WILL ring.

the best you can do is pick out a heavy, small bell ride

my AAX Dry ride is heavy, and small belled.

[poppinfresh]

well how bout this, is there any Ride's that anyone knows of that has nice projection, but not a long ringing sound?...its just the ringing annoys the hell outta me...

hh raw bell ride

[Anarchy&Peace]

I'm heading up to Guitar Center tommorow to get either some A customs or K's i still havent decided but has anyone ever talked GC into throwing in a stand for free?

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

I haven't heard of many places throwing in free stands, and if they are free, they are usally low quality crap stands.

[gimp fest]

hi, i'm new to these parts and fairly new to drumming in general, but i would like to purchase some cymbals as i i have been given a new kit and my old cymbals are v. poor quality. i am looking for, perhaps a cymbal set for under £100 i think it's probably out of pearl,solar,paiste 101 and stagg but some guidence would be muchly appreciated

[Tim]

hi, i'm new to these parts and fairly new to drumming in general, but i would like to purchase some cymbals as i i have been given a new kit and my old cymbals are v. poor quality. i am looking for, perhaps a cymbal set for under £100 i think it's probably out of pearl,solar,paiste 101 and stagg but some guidence would be muchly appreciated


youre gonna have to extend the budget if you want at least an ok quality. pearl cymbals=crap. solar=crap. 101=crap. all the ones you listed aevery poor quality.

[gimp fest]

youre gonna have to extend the budget if you want at least an ok quality. pearl cymbals=crap. solar=crap. 101=crap. all the ones you listed aevery poor quality.

:upset:

but as i said i am only really starting out and i am v.poor and young:(

[bobby__johnny]

at least, B8's.

they are a decent, quality low budget cymbal.

[TerranCmdr]

Yeah b8s are actually not too bad

[Tim]

:upset:

but as i said i am only really starting out and i am v.poor and young:(

yea but even then....its best to get somewhat ok-good cymbals first.

^^ i agree with sabian b8's good quality budget cymbals.

[ZaknafeinLudwig]

Hey Im thinkin about getting a Zildjian Z Custom Mega Bell Ride . what do you guys think? Or what about this? http://cgi.ebay.com/20-Zildjian-HEAVY-Ride-Cymbal-Absolutely-Beautiful-NR_W0QQitemZ7342973669QQcategoryZ41446QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem

[Iskandar]

That depends. What kind of music are you going to be playing with that thing?

[ZaknafeinLudwig]

metal a little jazz cuz i like jazz but mostly rock metal

[stevoibanez]

The mega bell ride is LOUD as hell. Also very little wash. Good for metal, but not for jazz. I would recommend the HH RBDR. Very versatile, but still enough power for harder styles

[ZaknafeinLudwig]

whats do you mean very little wash and who makes The cymbal u recomended?

[Aaron]

Howdy! I'm buying a pair of 14" K/Z Dyno Beats, and want to buy a bottom hat so that i can still play my jazz with more wash. And i was thinking, for extra wash, could i get something like a 14" K Dark crash instead of a bottom hat or would it play oddly? I like a bit of trashiness, but not too much, would that work?

[Queen Anne's Revenge]

whats do you mean very little wash and who makes The cymbal u recomended?


I believe he is referring to the Sabian Hand Hammered Raw Bell Dry Ride

[ZOFO77]

zofo, look into k custom rides


OK...played around on K Customs and took home the "DARK" ride........sounds great but is a little washy...... I also tried the Paragon and it was great.....more stick def, cutting and ping. Man am I confused......not sure the Dark Ride fits in my setup..... :confused:

[bobby__johnny]

Howdy! I'm buying a pair of 14" K/Z Dyno Beats, and want to buy a bottom hat so that i can still play my jazz with more wash. And i was thinking, for extra wash, could i get something like a 14" K Dark crash instead of a bottom hat or would it play oddly? I like a bit of trashiness, but not too much, would that work?

i think you would actually have better results in using a plain pairing of K Regular Hats.

[ZaknafeinLudwig]

Hi I am looking for 4 new crashes could guys recomend me any. Perferably from Sabian and Zildjian. I was thinkin some A custom crashes but i have no idea the differences with the sizes of them if you could recomend some that would be great. And i am trying to stay away from thin crashes. I would like a nice loud crash but that is not all I want. I play metal , rock, and alternative stuff. So thanks.

[papercut_heart]

Hey all. Right now I have 2 rides, one is a 20" K Custom Dark Ride, and its great for lower pitched riding with lots of overtones, and an occasional trashy crash, but the bell doesn't cut it at all. The other ride I have is a ZBT 20" Ride, my first ride, very cheap, and I only like it for the bell, but even then I'm not satisfied, there are way too many overtones and the bell is almost painful when hit loudly with the side of the stick as I like to do.

So, I'm looking for ride that is fairly high pitched, yet loud enough to hear through the rock. Most importantly, I want a ride with a nice high pitched, cutting bell, that sounds good and loud when hit with either the tip or the side of the stick. I was looking into a 22" Sabian AAX Metal Ride.

Any tips?

[Tim]

Hey all. Right now I have 2 rides, one is a 20" K Custom Dark Ride, and its great for lower pitched riding with lots of overtones, and an occasional trashy crash, but the bell doesn't cut it at all. The other ride I have is a ZBT 20" Ride, my first ride, very cheap, and I only like it for the bell, but even then I'm not satisfied, there are way too many overtones and the bell is almost painful when hit loudly with the side of the stick as I like to do.

So, I'm looking for ride that is fairly high pitched, yet loud enough to hear through the rock. Most importantly, I want a ride with a nice high pitched, cutting bell, that sounds good and loud when hit with either the tip or the side of the stick. I was looking into a 22" Sabian AAX Metal Ride.

Any tips?

21' sabian AA rock ride

[Jiggle_Billy345]

i need a cheap but well sounding 18"-21" ride

[Aaron]

i need a cheap but well sounding 18"-21" ride

20" Paiste Innovations Medium Ride, or if you cant go that high the same in Alpha series

[Jezen]

You serious? Innos aint cheap....

Istanbul Agop all the way.

[Aaron]

cheap in a long term investment sense IMO

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Hi I am looking for 4 new crashes could guys recomend me any. Perferably from Sabian and Zildjian. I was thinkin some A custom crashes but i have no idea the differences with the sizes of them if you could recomend some that would be great. And i am trying to stay away from thin crashes. I would like a nice loud crash but that is not all I want. I play metal , rock, and alternative stuff. So thanks.

If you were thinking about A Customs, go with either Medium or Projection, I'd say 18" for both main crashes, and for the other two either go bigger to a 20" or down to a 17" or 16". Maybe look at some K crashes for a smaller crash, a K dark crash medium thin or something.

Also chekc out some Avedis crashes, the medium thin, medium and rock crashes are all good. Stear clear of Z customs, just big pieces of metal that take a mountain to move and break anyway because of the force you need to play them with.

[Tim]

i need a cheap but well sounding 18"-21" ride

check out massmusic.net. you can get a AA rock ride for abut $160.

[Erotomania]

Are sabian aax stage hats good hats?

[Anarchy&Peace]

b8's>zxt's>zbt's right? well my friend sold me his old b8's for eighty bucks to go buy zxt's

anyways could someone define Decay, Wash, and any other cymbal terms regarding the sound i know there are more but i am forgetting them

[3_times_round]

Your friend has done a pointless switch. If you have Sheet cymbals, your next step up is to buy cast cymbals, not more or a different kind of sheet cymbals. (Please say they aren't ZXTi)

Ok, A custom 20" Ping Ride, or 20" K custom Session Ride?
I know these are TOTALLY different rides, but I can't decide which one for punkish music. I know the AC suits the music (sounds great on our recordings) but I love the K custom Session. Your opinions?

[Plan B.]

I'm afraid the K Custom Session wouldn't be as open for punk. Gadd's cymbals tend to be a little choked. That said I read the 20" is much more open than the original 18", so I would check it out anyway.

Hey what'a'ya know, my first recomendation in like 30 pages. I used to be the king of this ****.

:cool:

[3_times_round]

Yeah, I don't like the 18" as much. The 20" is the best cymbal I have ever heard, but it might not suit my style of music. I am looking for a versatile ride, and the KC is more versatile than the AC, but listening to recordings with the AC has made me re-consider which ride. I know mixing plays a huge part in the sounds on a recording, but the AC sounds fantastic.
My local drum shop is getting them both in soon, so I'm gonna spend a while looking at each aspect of each ride.

[Plan B.]

Great idea, I like where your head's at.

:cool:

[3_times_round]

Thank you. :)

[Tim]

Are sabian aax stage hats good hats?

yes

[Chester]

Are sabian aax stage hats good hats?
only one of the most versatile pair of hats... so i guess that makes them pretty good
haha AND i think portnoy uses them, and u look like a portnoy fan

[3_times_round]

Most versatile hats are 'A' New Beats I think. They are awesome for everything.

[Iskandar]

Your friend has done a pointless switch. If you have Sheet cymbals, your next step up is to buy cast cymbals, not more or a different kind of sheet cymbals. (Please say they aren't ZXTi)

Ok, A custom 20" Ping Ride, or 20" K custom Session Ride?
I know these are TOTALLY different rides, but I can't decide which one for punkish music. I know the AC suits the music (sounds great on our recordings) but I love the K custom Session. Your opinions?

Go for the A Custom.

[Erotomania]

only one of the most versatile pair of hats... so i guess that makes them pretty good
haha AND i think portnoy uses them, and u look like a portnoy fan


HAHA you figured it out... yes i only aked cause portnoy uses them... but im a sucker... i purchased these hats a couple days ago so they should be in tomorrow... and www.sabian.com is really reliable... i used the soundcheck on almost all the good cymbals they have on there... it really helped me out what i wanted without having to move.. soo yea... maybe some people should check that out http://www.sabian.com/english/webmayhem/soundcheck.cfm

[fullmetalhaallee]

i am looking for the ride the reverand from avenged sevenfold uses. if not that something similar.

[Aaron]

i am looking for the ride the reverand from avenged sevenfold uses. if not that something similar.

24" AAX Metal Ride

[Expresso]

Alrighty, i'm undertaking the daunting task of PICKING NEW HATS.

Something to go along with HHX evolution crashes, HH medium thin crashes. Brand doesn't matter.

as for specific sounds, i'd like a semi dark tone, average amount of wash but not trashy, and a defined stick hit closed.

I hope I've made sense, seeing as how I'm terrible at putting sound into words.

[The Fiction We Live]

OK guys, It's time for me to pick a new ride.

Sound:

Strong Stick Defenition without much wash. I would like it to have a strong bell sound as well. I'd also like it to be a semi-bright sound, but not to pingy.

Companies:

I'd perfer a Paiste ride but I am open to ALL suggestions as long as I can get it at Guitar Center ($250 store credit).

Considered Already:

20" Paiste Reflector Dry Ride
20" Paiste 2002 Ride
21" Sabian HHX Dry Ride

Thanks for any help!

[Seafroggys]

I won't be getting these for awhile, but its never too early to start looking.

I'm looking for a second crash cymbal. I have a Sabian AA 18" Medium Crash, and will soon have Zildjian New Beat hi-hats, so I was wondering what a good second crash would be. I don't necessarily want a 'secondary' crash, but another primary crash that would sound different from the Sabian but still compliment it nicely.

I was thinking about Paiste 2002s.....different, but similar.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

to Expresso: Look at A New Beats, getting some myself and played a pair today, best sounding hats I think I've ever heard. Clean, clear and defined chick sound and a nice open sound, not trashy. If the New Beats are too bright, look at K hats, I've played some in brilliant finish and man did they sound good, nice dark warm tone with a good chick sound and open wash.


*random info*
Played on an A Sweet Ride today wihtout knowing, the makrings were almost completely gone and man did it sound good. I know its been popularised by pop-punk durmmers but it has such a nice ride and bell that I was pretty astonished when i finally figured out what it was. Has a nice crash on the edge as well (as is rather well known).

I'd sugest it to anyone wanting a lighter ride, works great in a jazz setting (which what I was using it for today), and would also work great in a rock/punk situation. I woudlnt recomend it to anyone looking for a heavy and pingy ride, hwile it did have a good bell, it wouldjn't be heard through walls of guitars.

[Lord_Kyair]

i need a nice cheap ride and hihiat for hardrock/metal music,

[3_times_round]

Sabian AA I think. I don't know much about Sabain, but generally they are cheaper than Zildjian and Paiste (depending on where you are).

[MXboy]

Hmm so anyway i was thinking of getting a few more crashes to go along with my incoming catalina birch. im gonna play mainly mainstream rock, nothing too heavy, looking to play "clean songs". might veer off into some pop rock...maybe foo fighters.. oasis... greenday kinda things? yea i already have an xs20 set and i just want to get some extra crashes. I was looking to get an evolution 16" and an a custom 16" and an a custom 16" fast crash. opinions on this? whether its ok or there are better cymbals to suit my style of music. eg different model or size? im not gonna be able to try a lot of em out as my local music store doesnt stock many models and im gonna order online so thats why im asking for opinions on what has the sound im probably looking for. thanks.

[CombatWombat3]

Hey everyone,

I'm kinda picky when it comes to chinas. I'm looking for a china that isn really very harsh at all. Something that would blend really well, and even have crash-like qualitites.

Thanks!

[Iskandar]

You might be better off with a trashy sort of crash:

- HHX Ozone Crash
- Oriental Crash of Doom
- HHXtreme Crash

But if you don't like those (and the Ozone Crash is very good) then try a K Custom china.

[bobby__johnny]

Alrighty, i'm undertaking the daunting task of PICKING NEW HATS.

Something to go along with HHX evolution crashes, HH medium thin crashes. Brand doesn't matter.

as for specific sounds, i'd like a semi dark tone, average amount of wash but not trashy, and a defined stick hit closed.

I hope I've made sense, seeing as how I'm terrible at putting sound into words.

HHX Groove hats....the darker sibiling of the AAX Stage Hats....as versatile as it gets...now available in dark! :lol:

Hey everyone,

I'm kinda picky when it comes to chinas. I'm looking for a china that isn really very harsh at all. Something that would blend really well, and even have crash-like qualitites.

Thanks!

Jojo Mayer Fierce Crash

[The Fiction We Live]

OK guys, It's time for me to pick a new ride.

Sound:

Strong Stick Defenition without much wash. I would like it to have a strong bell sound as well. I'd also like it to be a semi-bright sound, but not to pingy.

Companies:

I'd perfer a Paiste ride but I am open to ALL suggestions as long as I can get it at Guitar Center ($250 store credit).

Considered Already:

20" Paiste Reflector Dry Ride
20" Paiste 2002 Ride
21" Sabian HHX Dry Ride

Thanks for any help!

bump, anyone? :upset:

[MrMome]

OK guys, It's time for me to pick a new ride.

Sound:

Strong Stick Defenition without much wash. I would like it to have a strong bell sound as well. I'd also like it to be a semi-bright sound, but not to pingy.

Companies:

I'd perfer a Paiste ride but I am open to ALL suggestions as long as I can get it at Guitar Center ($250 store credit).

Considered Already:

20" Paiste Reflector Dry Ride
20" Paiste 2002 Ride
21" Sabian HHX Dry Ride

Thanks for any help!

bump, anyone? :upset:

Sabian HH Leopard ride. Ive got a 22" and i love it. I bought mine used on ebay, so i dont know what they cost new, but definitely check them out.

[MrMome]

***Hey everyone,
I'm kinda picky when it comes to chinas. I'm looking for a china that isn really very harsh at all. Something that would blend really well, and even have crash-like qualitites.
Thanks!

***Jojo Mayer Fierce Crash

I own a JoJo Mayer Fierce Crash 18". Its got more crash than chinese qualities and blends really well with other dark cymbals (My leopard ride/HHX Studio Crash/... and even my AAX Fusion hats.) I had to special order mine from GC. I couldnt find it anywhere online. Give them a try.

Imagine a slightly trashy Zildjian 18" K Custom Medium crash. Its got a good amount of sustain also...

If the fierce crash isnt trashy enough, check out the o-zone crashes.

I never played a "Crash of Doom" (Zildjian) but i believe its supposed to be the same general concept - a trashy crash.

[MXboy]

Looking for new crashes. Not sure what i should buy.
Type of music : General Rock, nothing heavy, wanting to play "clean" songs
Already Considering : Sabian HHX Evolution 16", Sabian HHX Studio 16", Zildjian A Custom 16", Zildjian A custom Fast crash 16".
I could get all 4 but im not sure if i need all of them. just wanted an opinoin whether its too many or also if there are others i should consider. or sizes eg maybe 18". thanks

[Expresso]

HHX Groove hats....the darker sibiling of the AAX Stage Hats....as versatile as it gets...now available in dark! :lol:


Thanks man, much appreciated. It just so happens that my local music shop has a pair in stock (and they NEVER have anything in stock), i'll be trying them out.

[Cobalt]

My drums just came in today and i'm really excited! For my cymbal selection I was looking into a 20" AA medium-heavy ride. Would that fit in with a 17" AAXplosion crash and a pair of 14" AAX stage hats?

[Iskandar]

Yes it would, Kent.

[bobby__johnny]

yes it would

[Win A Rabbit]

i tried out some hhx groove hats a while ago, and really liked them, but had some doubts towards whether or not they would blend in with my 18" aaxplosion crash and my 17" metal-x crash, and my new 20" a medium ride. they sounded extremely opposite from each other, but i really liked it. would it be a good blend, or a bad blend.

i tried the aax hats and didn't really like the sound from them, i generally like darker hats. any recommendations?

[bobby__johnny]

if you like darker, get darker...but they probably would mesh too well with your exisiting setup

[Murd_666]

K zildjian/custom lines make some nice dark hats, also the HH Makes some of my fav hats, byzance ain't far behind

[ZaknafeinLudwig]

Hi i am looking to get a new ride. I want one wiht a huge bell. I was thinking about the Z mega bell, but everyone on the forms are bashing the Z line. So what are some good rides with big bells. thanks.

[stevo30]

The best in the Z custom line are the rides. I personally own the Mega bell ride, and love it to death. Loud, bright and pingy.

There is also the HH Power Bell ride. It is very powerful, but less "raw" than the Zildjian. More of a refined sound.

[Dave*Grohl]

Whats the difference between a Zil. A medium crash 20" and medium ride 20"? Just relabeled? And what is the Medium ride like? I was thinking of getting it cuz i want a ride that has some ping but also wash and a nice crash!

[gimp fest]

ritey,

i'm looking for a cymbal set to go on my new sonor 2005 kit as i don't want to put on some of my old brass cymbals.

i'm looking to pay not much more than £150-
£170

thanks in advance

[3_times_round]

Whats the difference between a Zil. A medium crash 20" and medium ride 20"? Just relabeled? And what is the Medium ride like? I was thinking of getting it cuz i want a ride that has some ping but also wash and a nice crash!

This ride is very, very bright and washy. There wasn't much ping at all (on the one I played, they are all different). Never tried the 20" crash, so no comment.

And Logical_Harm

The first one I would recommend is Paiste PST-5. I'm not sure on price though. After that, Wuhan. I would stay away from beginner Zildjian and Sabian.
If you could save up maybe £60 more you might be able to buy an A Zildjian Pack, whihc is well worth it. The Hi-hats you get are stunning, and the ride is nice, but I didn't like it (see above description). Never tested an A crash for some reason.

[gimp fest]

This ride is very, very bright and washy. There wasn't much ping at all (on the one I played, they are all different). Never tried the 20" crash, so no comment.

And Logical_Harm

The first one I would recommend is Paiste PST-5. I'm not sure on price though. After that, Wuhan. I would stay away from beginner Zildjian and Sabian.
If you could save up maybe £60 more you might be able to buy an A Zildjian Pack, whihc is well worth it. The Hi-hats you get are stunning, and the ride is nice, but I didn't like it (see above description). Never tested an A crash for some reason.

firstly, thanks man,

well i saw the paiste pst-5 set for about £185,i think this might be a little extravagent for a fairly unacomplished drummer such as myself.

by the beginner sabian's do you mean the b8's?

i saw some zildjian zxt(i think) for about £160 on ebay, is that a steal?

thnaks again

[3_times_round]

Yeah, Sabian beginners = B8, B8 Pro, Pro Sonix.
I think there are normal ZXT packs for £160, ZXT Rock packs are around £190 and the titaniums (do not get them) are a complete rip-off at around £280.

I've heard PST-5 are the best beginner pack options (maybe go for some Wuhans if you can find any in Britain, I've never seen any in Scotland) so I would go for them.

[gimp fest]

well i've had a quick look and found this...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WUHAN-16-FAST-CRASH-CYMBAL-PRICE-SLASHED_W0QQitemZ7343908613QQcategoryZ10174QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

and this...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WUHAN-18-CRASH-CYMBAL-PRICE-SLASHED_W0QQitemZ7343492445QQcategoryZ10174QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

watcha think?

[3_times_round]

Yeah, I would go for them! Looks like a great deal. So you would still be looking for hats and a ride. I remembered about a minute ago that I'm selling my old hi-hats and ride. Zildjian 20" ZXT Rock Ride and 14" ZBT Hi-Hats. Interested? Around £80 for both?

Where about are you in the UK? P&P might cost a bit.

[gimp fest]

hmmm, i might have to think about this, are they good condish?cracks, key-holes etc?

i'm in louth, lincolnshire on the east coast about halfway down :P

[3_times_round]

East coast too! Except just opposite Dundee. (nearly halfway up Scotland)

Yeah they are good condish (ride has a tiny dent (dropped it on the bus :()) but makes no difference whatsoever, and would only get worse if you crashed that part of the ride repeatedly (which is pretty rare). No keyholes or cracks. They're a wee bit dirty, but I would cleand them first. There is a tiny bit of fading of the logos on the ride too.

[gimp fest]

tbo, i think i'm going to get some new cymbals for the new kit, i'll probably start by getting these (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WUHAN-S-SERIES-13-HI-HAT-CYMBALS-PRICE-CUT_W0QQitemZ7303382799QQcategoryZ10174QQtcZphotoQ QcmdZViewItem)

then maybe this (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WUHAN-S-SERIES-16-CRASH-CYMBAL-PRICE-CUT_W0QQitemZ7343674633QQcategoryZ10174QQtcZphotoQ QcmdZViewItem)

or this (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WUHAN-S-SERIES-16-FAST-CRASH-CYMBAL_W0QQitemZ7303384527QQcategoryZ10174QQtcZpho toQQcmdZViewItem)

then finally this (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WUHAN-20-MEDIUM-RIDE-CYMBAL-PRICE-SLASHED_W0QQitemZ7303388991QQcategoryZ10174QQtcZph otoQQcmdZViewItem)

thanks for telling me about wuhans, i had no idea they were this cheap,

btw, which would you say out of wuhan s series hats or zbt/zxt hats?

[3_times_round]

Wuhans are compared to Zildjian A's, which are amazing, and ZBT/ZXT are beginner. Get the Wuhans :)

[gimp fest]

cheers 3 times round, you don't need underscores btw :lol:

[3_times_round]

I registered my name as 3timesround, but some one had already taken that, so I just put underscroes in. :angry:

[gimp fest]

meh...make a new account, i'm sure you won't miss that one too much :)
i'm stuck between wuhan S series and Wuhan rock hats :(

help please

[3_times_round]

Nsh, I can't be bothered with the wait to start new threads (even though I haven't made any yet), and sorry, I've never actually heard a Wuhan. Everyone says they are great cymbals though.

[gimp fest]

no problem i think the s series look nicer so i think i'm gonna go for them

[Nightmar3]

hi everyone i'm new to drums and i come from italy.The cymbals I'm looking for should be rock/punk/metal (rhcp,systemofadown,greenday,somthing like that) Could someone help me?Thanks for reading and i'm sorry if my english isn' t good enough, I hope I made myself clear

[gimp fest]

how much have you got to spend?

[Nightmar3]

that doesn' t relly matter it was my borthday yesterday so i got some relatives to buy me this cymbal.I forgot mentioning i have a bosphone 16 crash nobody ever herd about bosphone but i think it has an exellent sound, and a crash/ride from perl... i know i should need a proper ride but i would prefer a crash suggest me both crash and ride if you know some good cylmbals

[gimp fest]

well search for the following on your ebay.........

sabian b8's
zildjian zbt or zxt
paiste pst 3 or pst 5
wuhan (any)

[Nightmar3]

well search for the following on your ebay.........

sabian b8's
zildjian zbt or zxt
paiste pst 3 or pst 5
wuhan (any)


what about dimensions im' not sure if getting 18 or 14 and still im not sure between crash and ride

EDIT:and by cheking the sabian site i had the impression that b8 and b8 pro are not very coniderd infact they aren't in any default kit sabian suggests...

[hundurinn]

What's everybody's view on Paiste cymbals? It seems like everybody are rushing to buy Sabian, Zildjian, Wuhan or Istanbul. :thumb:

[Tim]

What's everybody's view on Paiste cymbals? It seems like everybody are rushing to buy Sabian, Zildjian, Wuhan or Istanbul. :thumb:

paistes are awesome but they are more expensive than zildjian and sabian etc.

[3_times_round]

Depends where you are in the world, ie, they are less expensive in Switzerland (where they are made I think) They are more expensive overseas due to tariffs, taxes and what not.

[ZaknafeinLudwig]

Ok here is going to be my new set up. Two main18' A (med. or projections not sure on that ) crashes. Then Z custon mega bell ride. 20' A crash ( not sure what type need help on that med. regualr. or projection.) and a 16' A crash. so what do u think idk about hats yet not thinking that far ahead.

[bobby__johnny]

i say lose the Z Custom ride.

[Nightmar3]

well search for the following on your ebay.........

sabian b8's
zildjian zbt or zxt
paiste pst 3 or pst 5
wuhan (any)

... well anyway ..... in going by it today and i think ill end up with a pst 5 well but it mostly depends on what they have in the shop..... thanks

[3_times_round]

Ok here is going to be my new set up. Two main18' A (med. or projections not sure on that ) crashes. Then Z custon mega bell ride. 20' A crash ( not sure what type need help on that med. regualr. or projection.) and a 16' A crash. so what do u think idk about hats yet not thinking that far ahead.

If it's rock music, or a variant of rock, they would suit you perfectly. Z custom rides are very good (maybe look into 19" Trash Ride) and would be very cutting above the 20" Crash. I think it will be up to you wheether to go for Projections or Mediums.

[Nightmar3]

.....I KNOW THIS WILL SEEM STUPID BUT ALL THE SHOPS WERE CLOSED SO I DIDN'T BUY IT YET......................... well this leaves more time for a choice, has anyone got more suggestions?(the pst 3 and 5 arn't professional are they?)

[bobby__johnny]

no they arent.

the PST5 replaces the old 502's

[Nightmar3]

PST5: For the manufacture of PST 5 cymbals we use the same high-grade bronze alloy as in our professional class, which became famous through our 2002 series. The combination of this sonorous bronze with the new production method provides drummers with new sound dimensions, and due to the rich program, with numerous possibilities to design an individual cymbal set.

I' ve interpreted as a "these aren' t pro cymbals but they are made of good material" lets say semi-pro

[bobby__johnny]

they arent semi-pro either

they are buget/beginner cymbals

[Nightmar3]

but i would prefer some pro cymbals, i was tented by zildjian k' s but I m not sure they are thick enough, by the way the most important question is ride or crash...... or maby a splash or china, whatever.I have a 16 crash and an 18 crash/ride cuold you tell me some dimensions too (thanks for all this help i know i sound annooying but this is the first cymbal i'm choosing and I want it perfect ;-) )

[Plan B.]

Best advice is to go out and try all the cymbals you can. I advise you to opt for a ride first because it is the most important cymbal.

[bobby__johnny]

and because if you dont get a ride first, Plan B. will snatch another one up :lol:

[Nightmar3]

:lol: yea I know but I have a crash/ride from pearl that can make the job and I prefer playing crashes rather than ride :upset: :upset: but........ I think I ll end up with a ride it is more important :( anyway, ive heard that the best rides are sabian...??? true?

[3_times_round]

I disagree saying a ride is the most important cymbal. I would have to say hi-hats.
Not true, it depends what you like.

[Nightmar3]

i' ment it is more important than another crash in my set

[Nightmar3]

I found this on the internet: zildjian zbt rock pack(16crash,20ride14hat) + (dunno how to say it in english, the things that hold cymbals (hardware?))well 2 of those for 274 euro that is more or less 410£ or 280$

[bobby__johnny]

I disagree saying a ride is the most important cymbal. I would have to say hi-hats.
Not true, it depends what you like.

i could live with Solar Hats, but i could certainly never ever live with a Solar ride

you can make cheap hats do, but a cheap ride always sounds cheap

[gimp fest]

I found this on the internet: zildjian zbt rock pack(16crash,20ride14hat) + (dunno how to say it in english, the things that hold cymbals (hardware?))well 2 of those for 274 euro that is more or less 410£ or 280$

do you mean stands to put the cymbals on?

and 274 euros = 186 pounds

thats is a fairly good deal with stands included go for it:thumb:

[gimp fest]

i could live with Solar Hats, but i could certainly never ever live with a Solar ride

you can make cheap hats do, but a cheap ride always sounds cheap

but i would want to buy decent hats so they last as they are (probably) the most used piece in your kit

[3_times_round]

I could not live without my AC Mastersounds now. I would hate to use crap hi-hats again. Solars just clunk, have no defined chick and almost no sizzle at all. Hi-hats can be used to keep time which is essential in the early days of drumming. It's your own opinion of course, I disagree with it though. :p

[Nightmar3]

do you mean stands to put the cymbals on?

and 274 euros = 186 pounds

thats is a fairly good deal with stands included go for it:thumb:

yea thats right 1£ is 1.5€ I did it the wrong way round,yeah stands, thats the name and how do you call the straight ones and how do you call the "flexible" ones (flexible isn' t the right word)

[bobby__johnny]

I could not live without my AC Mastersounds now. I would hate to use crap hi-hats again. Solars just clunk, have no defined chick and almost no sizzle at all. Hi-hats can be used to keep time which is essential in the early days of drumming. It's your own opinion of course, I disagree with it though. :p


and your ride cant keep time?

[gimp fest]

yea thats right 1£ is 1.5€ I did it the wrong way round,yeah stands, thats the name and how do you call the straight ones and how do you call the "flexible" ones (flexible isn' t the right word)

boom stand>?

[[Fonya]]

Im looking for a nice pingy ride with little-to medium wash in the aa or aax lines. Also a peart sounding ride in the aa or aax line. Thanks..

[Iskandar]

AAX Dry Ride.

[[Fonya]]

Are all rides of the same size in the aa and aax lines the same price?

[Iskandar]

Doubtful. The seller sets the prices.

[[Fonya]]

The dry ride is a bit to dry. Any other suggestions?

[bobby__johnny]

try they AA dry ride, the bell is a tid bit bigger, and wouldnt be as dry because of it.

failing that, try and hunt out an AA Tight ride

[stevoibanez]

Are all rides of the same size in the aa and aax lines the same price?
yes. they should be

[[Fonya]]

Im thinking about the AA Rock Ride, AA/X Dry Ride and maybe and aa medium heavy ride.

[3_times_round]

and your ride cant keep time?

I was meaning using your foot, and working with any other cymbal. Of course all cymbals can keep time.

[gimp fest]

right, i'm pretty set on getting wuhan hats and 16" crash, but should i get "s" series or "rock" to play a variety of indie to hardcore music, i know the "rock" name might give it away but i just wanted to get it right

thanks in advance

[bobby__johnny]

definatly the rock, Wuhans are a little thin in their weights, so given your genres, Rock is for you

[gimp fest]

thanks man, the rock crash is cheaper anyways :)

[Iskandar]

try they AA dry ride, the bell is a tid bit bigger, and wouldnt be as dry because of it.

failing that, try and hunt out an AA Tight ride

Man, that's a blast from the past. I didn't even know they made AA Tight rides anymore.

[FunkyPyro`]

i want a fairly heavy ride, that is very trashy, but with defined sticking, but with a continuous sound when played. but i dont want it to be overpowering. :) have fun

i was -thinking- custom K maybe? i dont really know lol

[Iskandar]

A "trashy" ride? That's a tall order. Try a K Custom 20" ride (the generic model of the series).

[3_times_round]

Is there such thing as a "trashy" ride? Maybe try small copper plates around the edges? You could always look for a Sabian O-Zone ride (if they exist).

[Epiphender]

Aren't all Wuhans a little "trashy" sounding?


I kind of want a china. Have any of you played the Sabian Signature devastation chinese?

[Iskandar]

Is there such thing as a "trashy" ride? Maybe try small copper plates around the edges? You could always look for a Sabian O-Zone ride (if they exist).

Nononononono. There is no "O-Zone ride" and "small copper plates around the edges" would be stupid.

[Rilez]

I'm looking for Hi hats with a nice chick while closed and a nice sizzle while opened...a ride with good stick definition, not a total ping, with just a slight about of "washyness" (doesn't need to crash)...and finally a crash with a relatively short decay and darker sound. Thanks...

[Iskandar]

Not sure about the hats, but I can recommend an AA Medium Ride (20") and a K Custom Fast crash (14-18").

[Rilez]

Thanks for the help what size would you reccomend for the crash? I was thinking 16 inches...Also I hate to sound like a brand whore but is there anything like the K Custom Fast Crash in the Sabian line? Or vice versa with anything in the Zildjian line like the AA ride? Also I forgot to mention I play mostly Classic Rock/Punk rockish stuff with a little bit of jazz thrown in there. Do you think these cymbals will suit the genres I tend to play?

[bobby__johnny]

Is there such thing as a "trashy" ride? Maybe try small copper plates around the edges? You could always look for a Sabian O-Zone ride (if they exist).

if i hear correctly, the Hand Hammered Jazz Ride has a bit of trash to it....not much, but a tid bit

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Is there such thing as a "trashy" ride? Maybe try small copper plates around the edges? You could always look for a Sabian O-Zone ride (if they exist).

You could try the K Custom Dry Complex rides, they are supposed to be a bit trashy

[Plan B.]

Good call.

[Iskandar]

Thanks for the help what size would you reccomend for the crash? I was thinking 16 inches...Also I hate to sound like a brand whore but is there anything like the K Custom Fast Crash in the Sabian line? Or vice versa with anything in the Zildjian line like the AA ride? Also I forgot to mention I play mostly Classic Rock/Punk rockish stuff with a little bit of jazz thrown in there. Do you think these cymbals will suit the genres I tend to play?

20" A Medium Ride for Zildjian ... I'm not sure if there's a crash like that for Sabian. Does it really matter? A cymbal is a cymbal, and if it sounds good play it.

[bobby__johnny]

you could use a Hand Hammered Thin Crash

[MrMome]

JoJo Mayer has a sig. "Fierce Ride" thats supposed to be slightl trashy... like his sig. crashes.

[bobby__johnny]

yeah, forgot about that one...that thing roars.

[FunkyPyro`]

awesome thanks guys

[blabla]

What would you guys concider the strongest cymbals out there?

[bobby__johnny]

strongest as in?.....

[blabla]

durable, i'm a hard hitter :P

[bobby__johnny]

if your breaking anything over a medium weight, you should seek help from a teacher.

[blabla]

i am going to talk with my teacher bout this, however i still want to know :P

[bobby__johnny]

it really subjective

Paiste RUDE, Zildjia Z Custom, and AA Metal-X would be designed for the heavy hitters, but dont exactly sound pleasant for the ears

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Look for Rock weights, they are usally medium-heavy and still sound good, unlike Z Custom "manhole lids".

[Seafroggys]

I personally find Mediums plenty heavy, you don't need anything heavier.

[Tim]

I personally find Mediums plenty heavy, you don't need anything heavier.

sure dont.....leave the heavyness to the rides.

[Ethan.]

What would you guys concider the strongest cymbals out there?

Pretty much the heaviest ones will be the strongest, assuming they are made well.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

sure dont.....leave the heavyness to the rides.

unless you use rides as crashes...

[blabla]

i do crash on my ride sometimes but not really hard.
i'm gonna buy a new crash, an 18". Which one would you guys recommend (i'm a pop/rock/alt rock drummer and already have 16" paiste 802 crash and i am a hard-hitter): Zildjian K dark, Sabian AA or a Ufip Class Series.

[Ethan.]

Sabian AA Medium Crashes are really nice.

[bobby__johnny]

yeah man, i can vouch for those.

[Seafroggys]

And I can agree with them as well. 18" Medium all the way!

[bobby__johnny]

gonna get one of those too :lol:

a perfect match to my 16"

[blujelly]

a small splash smaller then 12" but not 12" and also made by zildjian z custom. the sound im looking for is sharp and snappy but im not quite shore what size

[Tim]

a small splash smaller then 12" but not 12" and also made by zildjian z custom. the sound im looking for is sharp and snappy but im not quite shore what size

ummmmm 10'

[Iskandar]

a small splash smaller then 12" but not 12" and also made by zildjian z custom. the sound im looking for is sharp and snappy but im not quite shore what size

There is only one Z Custom splash (12"), and it's awful.

[Tim]

i do crash on my ride sometimes but not really hard.
i'm gonna buy a new crash, an 18". Which one would you guys recommend (i'm a pop/rock/alt rock drummer and already have 16" paiste 802 crash and i am a hard-hitter): Zildjian K dark, Sabian AA or a Ufip Class Series.


get the aa

[[Fonya]]

Sabian equivelent to the Ping Ride?

[bobby__johnny]

AA Rock Ride

[kev191]

I dont have a set yet, but im looking at sonor 3005, and i need cymbals, i need good quality cymbals, that are between 200-300 dollars canadian. im looking for hi-hats, crash, ride, and a china

[skadrummer411]

Okay, I have a quick question about a cymbal and I didn't want to start a new thread so... I'm thinking about getting a paiste 2002(formely dimensions) cool ride. The only thing i'm worried about is it might not be loud or cutting enough, any help would be greatly appreciated.

[[Fonya]]

AA Rock Ride


Thought so, it looks like I found my ride. Thanks.

[Nightmar3]

hi guys!! I' m going buy a splash soon, i know I should try them all but I know nothing about them.......help appreciated :D

[Seafroggys]

With all of Paiste's cymbal restructuring, do they still offer the original 2002 cymbals? Are those the classic line or something?

[bobby__johnny]

yep, the original 2002's are the basic named ones

Crash, Power Crash, Hats, Sound Edge etc...

[3_times_round]

hi guys!! I' m going buy a splash soon, i know I should try them all but I know nothing about them.......help appreciated :D

Apparently the 10" AAX (stage?) splash is the best out there. Not sure on prices... Another really nice splash(/crash) is the 13" AAX Splash (can't remember full name)

A custom Splashes are also very nice and musical (8" and 10" being the best).

It all depends on what style of music you play really. I would, however, stay away from the 12" Z custom splash. Too gongy. Stay away from most Z customs actually.

[bobby__johnny]

cant go wrong with a good ol AA Splash really....

[Bernie812]

so im looking for another crash to add, i have 16"/18" zildjian avedis medium crashes, and a wuhan 10" splash with sbian aax 13" hats... im looking for another crash to add, something brighter than my avedis', but not so bright it sticks out like a sore thumb... any ideas? im not sure what size to go with, or brand...

[Aaron]

so im looking for another crash to add, i have 16"/18" zildjian avedis medium crashes, and a wuhan 10" splash with sbian aax 13" hats... im looking for another crash to add, something brighter than my avedis', but not so bright it sticks out like a sore thumb... any ideas? im not sure what size to go with, or brand...

what about a paiste dimensions raw medium crash, any size'd fit in well with your setup i think

[Nightmar3]

I play rock/progressive/punk and actually I never saw a splash in a tab..... but I want one anyway!What about stands, can you put a splash on a normal stand????

[daveplaysdrums]

Of course you can physically. It's probably not best to though, the cymbal's too small really, you'll just end up with a forest of cymbal stands. It'll be a lot easier and probably cheaper to get it its own cymbal attachment. Tama CA30E, Pearl CH70, Gibraltar SCGCA are three I can think of right now, among others. Personally I'd go with the Tama model, that's what I use.

[bobby__johnny]

myself, i'd reccomend a boom arm and grabber clamp....a little more flexible than those grabber arms

[Seafroggys]

progressive/punk

And this mixes how?

[Rilez]

I'd like some hats with a real nice "chick" while closed. Preferably in the Zildjian line...thanks!

[Seafroggys]

Why Zildjian? What if there was a Sabian or Istanbul cymbal that sounded more like what you're looking for than any Zildjian cymbal?

[Rilez]

Why Zildjian? What if there was a Sabian or Istanbul cymbal that sounded more like what you're looking for than any Zildjian cymbal? That would be fine with me...I just prefer zildjian but will be fine with buying a pair of Sabian, Paiste, Meinl, etc...hats....I said I would prefer it to be in the Zildjian line...not that it had to be.

[Seafroggys]

i don't know much about hats, but you might want to look at 13" models

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

and why not a Zildjian Cymbal? Maybe they are the cheapest/most available in his area? Or maybe he wants a Zildjian cymbal because he has a soft spot.

Nothing wrong with sugesting Zildjian alternatives but don't come in here and be a dick about it.

Onto cymbals: Check out A Mastersounds, A Quickbeats, A Newbeats, K Mastersound (for a darker sound), A Custom Mastersound.

Something should be what your looking for. Go into a store and try some out against eachother. If they don't have it instock, ask if they could order it for you.

[bobby__johnny]

I'd like some hats with a real nice "chick" while closed. Preferably in the Zildjian line...thanks!

Quick Beats

[Nightmar3]

And this mixes how?

Some progressive and some punk songs!!! :thumb:

[blujelly]

I'd like some hats with a real nice "chick" while closed. Preferably in the Zildjian line...thanks!

Zildjian 14" Z Custom Master Sound

[-TheGlassPrison-]

Zildjian 14" K Mastersounds...


EW Z CUSTOM MASTERSOUND?! YOU MAD?!

[WarHammer]

I have Z Custom Mastersounds, and they sound pretty good to me. Nice and bright. I don't see why people hate Z Customs so much.

[Seafroggys]

and why not a Zildjian Cymbal? Maybe they are the cheapest/most available in his area? Or maybe he wants a Zildjian cymbal because he has a soft spot.

Nothing wrong with sugesting Zildjian alternatives but don't come in here and be a dick about it.

I was hardly being a dick. Being a dick would be like "You suck *** for liking Zildjian, everyone else is much better." You need to understand that I've been here awhile, and I found the longer I'm in an online community, the more cynical I get, because I was assuming he was a brand whore which I'm tired of that mentality.

Onto cymbals: Check out A Mastersounds, A Quickbeats, A Newbeats, K Mastersound (for a darker sound), A Custom Mastersound.

Good job at listing the entire Zildjian hi-hat database :thumb:

[Tim]

Nothing wrong with sugesting Zildjian alternatives but don't come in here and be a dick about it.



he wasnt being a dick. he was just stating that WHAT IF there was another cymbal from a different company that he liked better. it was basically a "look at other brands and see if you like them" comment.

[3_times_round]

Ok, this could get confusing...

I'm looking for a trashy crash (china, yeah, but VERY specific). Zildjian Oriental is too trashy for me, so something less trashy. I'm looking into the A custom and K Custom Dark China lines. These more crashy than trashy?
Would a Crash of Doom be more suitable for what I want? I want the trashy sound of either a china or Crash of Doom, but a really trashy china doesn't appeal to me.

[skadrummer411]

Ok, this could get confusing...

I'm looking for a trashy crash (china, yeah, but VERY specific). Zildjian Oriental is too trashy for me, so something less trashy. I'm looking into the A custom and K Custom Dark China lines. These more crashy than trashy?
Would a Crash of Doom be more suitable for what I want? I want the trashy sound of either a china or Crash of Doom, but a really trashy china doesn't appeal to me.

I can't help you out too much but i'll try. You should look into some wuhan crashes because I believe they have some trash to them, the trads have more a bit more trashy than the s series. Other than that I would just try testing out cymbals at your local shop, especially because you're looking for a very specific sound.

[Fyl]

im looking for good priced and good cymbals for jazz

[bobby__johnny]

Ok, this could get confusing...

I'm looking for a trashy crash (china, yeah, but VERY specific). Zildjian Oriental is too trashy for me, so something less trashy. I'm looking into the A custom and K Custom Dark China lines. These more crashy than trashy?
Would a Crash of Doom be more suitable for what I want? I want the trashy sound of either a china or Crash of Doom, but a really trashy china doesn't appeal to me.

a trashy crash? Sabian HHXtreme crash

im looking for good priced and good cymbals for jazz

the thinner Paiste Innovations perhaps? and the AA Raw ride....very nice for a hot jazzy tone.

[-TheGlassPrison-]

Manhatten Jazz.. omg, wow.. amazing
Any K

I didnt see the price thing;)

[bobby__johnny]

yeah, the price on an HHX ride is a bit much.....the AA raw though...thats a sweet *** ride for jazz though...dry, but lively at the same time.

[Mike Goes Numb]

I didnt feel like cluttering up the with another thread. But I've always really liked the sound of Tucker Rule's hats from Thursday. I know he uses Sabian hats, not sure which though. I might be interested in getting a pair if I try them out.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

From the understanding in a car crash clip, they are AA, not sure which hat, i think they might be rock but not 100% sure.

There are pictures of him and he's using Zildjian A's, and those are about 2003-2004.

[Mike Goes Numb]

From the understanding in a car crash clip, they are AA, not sure which hat, i think they might be rock but not 100% sure.

There are pictures of him and he's using Zildjian A's, and those are about 2003-2004.

Alright, I was basically going out the sounds on Full Collapse. So I'll look into some Sabian AA hats. Or will there be other hats that will offer me a similar sound?

[Sinai Beach]

im looking for a heavy, full, semi bright crash that can handle my hard hitting. i play hardcore/ metal and everything else. my choices are the sabian 20" AA metal crash and the paiste rude 20" crash/ride. which one is better and do you you guys have any other suggestions?
thanks

[Tim]

im looking for a heavy, full, semi bright crash that can handle my hard hitting. i play hardcore/ metal and everything else. my choices are the sabian 20" AA metal crash and the paiste 20" crash/ride. which one is better and do you you guys have any other suggestions?
thanks


id go with an AA rock crash.

[Seafroggys]

Meh, I'd go with a Medium AA instead of the Rock. I find the medium plenty heavy, where if you ever grow out of....I mean go into other genres, you'll still have the versatility to play lightly and with dynamics.

[Tim]

Meh, I'd go with a Medium AA instead of the Rock. I find the medium plenty heavy, where if you ever grow out of....I mean go into other genres, you'll still have the versatility to play lightly and with dynamics.

true. i was gonna say medium but i didnt wanna go against his whole super heavy thing. the rock is medium heavy which is too heavy but tahst what he wanted.