*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[Seafroggys]

Paiste 2002s :thumb:

If you can't afford those, Zildjian As and Sabian AAs are also your traditional rock crash.

But the 2002s is exactly what Bonham and Moon used.

[birdwood]

I need a crash, preferably Sabian which i can ride on for those heavier parts but isn't going to drown out the rest of the kit.

[Murd_666]

Well first off let me introduce myself. My name is Scott and I've been drumming for about 6 months on my pacific fs birch kit, which I love, and I've been visiting the forums for quite a while but just decided to register. Mainly because I need some help. I have a limited knowledge of cymbals, but am looking to replace my whole setup. Currently I have B8 hats, a avedis rock ride, and a AAX metal crash and I really don't like any of them. My buddy and I are slowly forming our band and I need something that will fit better. The crash is too loud, the hats are just low end, and the ride is way too washy for me. Were going to be playing stuff like Weezer and Say Anything. I don't like genres but pop rock I guess. Also some Dave Matthews stuff mainly because I love Beauford. Anyways I'm looking for 2 crashes, hats, ride and maybe a splash. Thanks a lot for your help.Well the crash is supposed to be loud, but anyways for crashes look into sabians AA/HH medium-thin/thin crashes or some of the K/K custom crashes from Zildjian. If the Hats are too low sounding look into A/K Dyno beats if you want something really bright and If thats to bright look into some sabain pro/pro sonix hats and the AA regulars or AAX Stage hats. For the ride look into the HH Rock ride or the AA medium Heavy ride both from sabian. for a splash deffinately go for an AA splash....

[GuerrillaTime]

i know very little about which hi hats are good or what kind of sounds they give off, but im debating between the zildjian mastersound and new beats.
Which one is the better buy? Is there any other hats i should look into?

I tried the 13" Mastersounds. HATE! Didn't like the lack of edge (swish) sound, and went with the New Beat 14" (love 'em). These are the basic, high quaility hi-hat that are very versatile.

[The Goth]

Im thinking of getting new cymbals for my kit. I want something heavy like cymbals they use in heavy metal tracks if you know what i mean

[Trev]

Whats your budget? Any brand loyalties?

[The Goth]

Not too expensive and i prefer sabian, paiste or zildjian but any other rccomendations will be took into consideration

[Trev]

Paiste - Rudes are the cymbals designed for the heaviest music, but theres a load in the Signature range that are suitable, but are pretty darn expensive, but sure as hell worth it.

Zildjian - The Z Custom range is the 'heavy metal' type range of Zildjian, but a lot of people on the forum say that they're just loud, and they sacrifise musicality. The Avedis series could be suitable for metal too, I know Lars Ulrich uses them.

Sabian - I think the AAX series is Sabian's series for rock/metal, but I can't really comment on these, I don't have much experience with Sabian.

I couldn't really say which the best bet out of the 'Big Three' would be, my opinion would be biased. Its best to try out cymbals and buy whichever you feel sounds the best, with a blindfold on, so the brand doesn't influence you.

[bobby__johnny]

Sabian - I think the AAX series is Sabian's series for rock/metal, but I can't really comment on these, I don't have much experience with Sabian.

ANY Sabian line will do. they all have a range of thin and heavy cymbals.

[chuckdrums]

i'm looking for a new crash. i like to play metal. it needs to be durable and i want to be able to ride on for some parts and i also want it to beable to crash to. i don't want it to have to much sustain. It also has to be cheap and affordable like in the $100 range.

[King]

how is the Wuhan 18" crash? i tested it a bit like a week ago, but i can't REALLY remember how it sounds... good for metal/rock? worth $130? thanks

well, i got the cymbal, despite any answers.... and it sounds really trashy and low to medium pitched, it's a great second cymbal, and to answer my own question, it's good for metal/rock, and worth $130.

[King]

i'm looking for a new crash. i like to play metal. it needs to be durable and i want to be able to ride on for some parts and i also want it to beable to crash to. i don't want it to have to much sustain. It also has to be cheap and affordable like in the $100 range.

good luck, buddy

[sublimeisnice]

I think my question got missed a while back so im going to repost it


I'm thinking of changing my cymbal set-up a bit. right now its


8"k custom splash
12" wuhan china(of course who doesnt have one)
13" paiste sig dark hats
16" k custom splash
18" aax dark crash
19" A custom crash
21" raw dry ride
22" aax metal ride

ok heres the deal. im very happy with my rides, they are so polar opposite and yet they dont clash so they are perfect. i love my hi hats and my china and my splash(though i d like to get more splashes, id like to have 3 ) the only thing i have a psuedo "problem" with are my crashes. I mean i love them all and they all sound great. BUT , the a custom doesnt sound great with the dry ride, and it doesnt sound great with the other crashes, and yet i still think i like that crash the most. SO in short, im thinking of changing my crash cymbal set up and i know that i should just goto the store and check em all out, but i wouldnt be able to do that for a while, and i wouldnt even buy anything for a while so im just looking for opinions and suggestions...what three crashes would you buy to match my other cymbals>?

[dragonninja]

Ahoy ahoy.

I'm after a china.

17 or 18 inches. Fairly dark, not too cutting, almost a "refined" sounding china if that makes sense. Probably a thinner cymbal I imagine.

Have been looking at K's, Dimensions thin, and AA's. I'm thinking AA is too bright for my wants.

Anyone know what some Istanbul china's are like?

[Murd_666]

you might want to look into the K custom dark china/ K china both come in 17" and 19" or sabians HHX China or HH THin China...

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Chekc out the K's and K Customs, great dark chinas.

[bobby__johnny]

Ahoy ahoy.

I'm after a china.

17 or 18 inches. Fairly dark, not too cutting, almost a "refined" sounding china if that makes sense. Probably a thinner cymbal I imagine.

Have been looking at K's, Dimensions thin, and AA's. I'm thinking AA is too bright for my wants.

Anyone know what some Istanbul china's are like?

i'd say Hand Hammered Dark Chinese....you'll probably have to request a custom order for an 18" though.

[Murd_666]

ooo forgot that one

[Plan B.]

Maybe the Carmine Appice devastation Chinese too.

[Tim]

okay. Im looking for new crashes,16 and an 18 inch. i am getting the 18 first though. here is what im looking for:
syle of music: Hard rock, rock, punk,i need something that is medium or medium heavy,something that cuts through the music,musical and not dull,
good response,not a lot of ringing out,something that doesnt get all distorted a lot. any suggestions?
my budget is about $160-$180 for the 18inch and about $140-$165 for the 16.
thanks for the help. and also it doesnt have to be a particular brand it jsut has to sound good, be durable, and be at a good price.Im goign on monday which is in about 3 or 4 days so any help will do. thanks :D

[bobby__johnny]

Maybe the Carmine Appice devastation Chinese too.

hells no! thats the direct opposite of what he's looking for.

mine is brash, VERY bright, and not too pleasent sounding (for a china)

[Plan B.]

:lol:

You're right, I played one the other day and it was very brash.

More like a John Blackwell Signature Chinese then.

[bobby__johnny]

i wanna try one of those. should be really dirty sounding, and dry....given the absence of a bell and its unlahtedness.

[Plan B.]

Yeah, it's gnarly as hell. I almost bought one.

Dry, nice and dark, but smooth too.

[Ethan.]

Clean Thread.

DO NOT post anything about cymbals in this thread.

Please people read the initial post and stay on subject. You are not supposed to talk about cymbals in this thread. I know, it says ***The Cymbal Finder***, but bobby__johnny even requested not to post about cymbals. Don't ask me, ask him. I'm just trying to keep the boards and threads on subject. :lol:

Thanks for your time! :lol: :lol:

:thumb:

[bobby__johnny]

i fail to see the humor in that....seeing as the original post said nothing of the sort.

[spiritII]

i fail to see the humor in that....seeing as the original post said nothing of the sort.

Like the man said. And I know funny, I just saw Pulp Fiction again.

[Ethan.]

Well, too bad you didn't get anything funny out of it. I just realized that I could change the text in the quote and tried it to see if it worked.

[Der Meister]

I make **** jokes

wow, works for me too :rolleyes:

[spiritII]

I'm gay.

Well, now it's funny! :lol:

Ah'm just messin' wit ya.

[bobby__johnny]

i eat monkey poop twice daily

woo! i can do it too! :rolleyes:..

**** off pal. your not funny at all.

[Maxwell_MetalDrummer]

I am currently looking a splash like a 8 or 10 inch and use sabians any suggestions?

[bobby__johnny]

have a price range and pitch preferance?

[PAF]

Looking for versatile, dark cymbals. Working to save up money for the right cymbals. I have only been playing for one year though. Mostly rock and jazz music.
Just a few questions. Do thick cymbals last longer than thin? I mean, are they less susceptible to cracking, or is there no difference?

I've been looking around a few shops and prices are absurd in the UK compared to in the US. So I've had a look at online places and ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10174&item=7324823598&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10174&item=7325989903&tc=photo
the K constantinope for £249

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10174&item=7325295751&tc=photo
20" K custom session ride for £175

What do you think of these prices for the cymbals? I'm in no rush to buy and will save up. Thanks

[bobby__johnny]

cracking should not be of concern as long as you play smartly.

having said that, be smart in your decisions. dont buy thin *** cymbals for metal.

for your rock/jazz playing, look for a medium weight cymbal.....perhaps an HHX Groove ride?

[Maxwell_MetalDrummer]

I dont have a much a price range nothin to expencive though

[Erotomania]

I am Looking for a ride that has alot!! of ping and maybe a little resonance.. the brands i am looking between is sabian and zildjian.. thx guys.

EDIT: And has a nice crisp loud shiny sounding bell.

[Harrow]

well I honestly don't have much experience with zildjian or sabian, but I own a meinl mb20 heavy bell ride, and the bell is loud as hell, I love it. So if you aren't married to those two brands check it out, its rather expensive though, I got mine for around $300

[the secret robot]

Ok...there's not a music store anywhere around here, so I'm making the big trip up to Atlanta later to go to guitar center to buy a ride. I've been pretty much set on a Paiste 2002...can't search the topic so yeah. I mostly play for myself, it could get used in some jazz band performance possibly. My other cymbals are all mismatched, the ones I'm using right now are from the 70s that I got out of the bandroom, assorted Paiste and Zildjians. But there's no ride in there so I'm buying one. So tell me what you think, anyone.

[Dave*Grohl]

Ok...there's not a music store anywhere around here, so I'm making the big trip up to Atlanta later to go to guitar center to buy a ride. I've been pretty much set on a Paiste 2002...can't search the topic so yeah. I mostly play for myself, it could get used in some jazz band performance possibly. My other cymbals are all mismatched, the ones I'm using right now are from the 70s that I got out of the bandroom, assorted Paiste and Zildjians. But there's no ride in there so I'm buying one. So tell me what you think, anyone.

2002 Very nice and verstatile ride

[Ethan.]

What would be the best ride for under $150? I don't want anything that sounds like the Sabian AA Medium ride (I don't know how to describe the sounds very well.) I like the HHX rides... but they cost a lot. Any cheaper alternatives?

[Der Meister]

Just a few questions. Do thick cymbals last longer than thin? I mean, are they less susceptible to cracking, or is there no difference?


In a way yes, in a way no.

Yes: they're thicker so it would be harder to crack it from normal playing

No: with it being a thicker cymbal you have to hit it harder to get a more musical sound out it (generally crashes) so more chance of cracking

[Drazinus]

Ok, I'm looking for a crash, a ride, or a crash/ride, that has really good stick definition when you ride on it, and really nice punch and moderate amount of decat when crashed. Preferably from the Big Three, as they are easiest to get around here.

Thanks,

[-Draz-]

[bobby__johnny]

Crash - AA Medium Crash...in the nrighbourhood of 17"

ride - AA Rock Ride.

[the secret robot]

Thanks, GC is holding one for me, 22" for $160

[Fabrizzio]

Im looking for some new hats and im thinking either Sabian or Meinl. Particularly the Meinl Amun Hats has anyone tried these?

[NCDrummer]

I want 16' Crash and a 20' Ride that has a dark sound but loud....so it's good for playing rock or punk...something very versital...and the Crash dis-a-pate quickly

[NCDrummer]

P.S.

That isn't too expensive...i'm on a tight buget :rolleyes:

[Dave*Grohl]

P.S.

That isn't too expensive...i'm on a tight buget :rolleyes:

Sorry man.

[NCDrummer]

nothing? thanks though.....hey! wait a minute! your not Dave Grohl! unless you changed your name so it'd be "Dave Grohl".......but alas! the world may never no....

[Seafroggys]

^^^I honestly don't know what to make out of that....I don't know what sort of emoticon I should put either....the laughing one, the rolling eyes, the shocked, the confused....oy vei.

[bobby__johnny]

:rolleyes: suits it fine.

[drummerdude9574]

a ride thats not really loud has extreamely great stick defination like the K heavy ride but doesnt have that long ringing afterwords anyone know of one?

[Iskandar]

AAX Dry Ride.

[Jezen]

a ride thats not really loud has extreamely great stick defination like the K heavy ride but doesnt have that long ringing afterwords anyone know of one?

Istanbul Agop Custom Dry Ride.

[boss]

a medium sized crash that doesnt have a long sustain and would sound the best after both a tom roll and with playing your hats open
preferably 17/18"

[bobby__johnny]

i'll tell ya right now, if your looking for not a lot of sustain, a smaller cymbal is the way to go.

16" AA Medium-thin or Medium Crash is the way to go.

[Murd_666]

Try a 16" A custom/K custom fast crash or a 16/17" Meinl Raker Lightning crash

[rockindrummer]

Ok so here's the deal I'm buying a new ride in a week or two and I need some advice. I have looked in to the Paiste Sig Dry and Paiste Sig full rides both in 20". Now they both sound amazing but which one do you think will be better for rock and alternative music but still have the capabilities of playing other styles of music. Thanks for any of the advice in advance.

[Harrow]

Hey I just checked out wuhan chinas on musiciansfriend.com, and they only sell up to the 22" model, I know I saw someone post before that they make up to 26" chinas, so where can I order those? :O

[Shu]

mmmk.. here we go

ive chosen some HHX 13" Groove Hats

I want a ride, reallly pingy but abit of overtones an its loud enough to cut. I was lookin at the HH Raw Bell dry ride an the also the Paragon ride. An the K Custom dry ride, but i got no idea soo yeah..

Also some crashes, something like the k cus fast crashes or something, crashes with short sustain with abit of punch not tooo bright, preferably larger sizes aswell.

[Murd_666]

shu-Try The AAX dry ride or an AAX metal ride. I'd thing a K fast crash would be the way to go but if you want something really punchy look into the AAXplosion crash.

[Futuro]

Ok so here's the deal I'm buying a new ride in a week or two and I need some advice. I have looked in to the Paiste Sig Dry and Paiste Sig full rides both in 20". Now they both sound amazing but which one do you think will be better for rock and alternative music but still have the capabilities of playing other styles of music. Thanks for any of the advice in advance.

i own the paiste signature dry cymbal, its pretty versitile but the full ride cuts more so you should probably go with that

[Seafroggys]

How would the 2002 crash mix with Istanbuls, Zildjians, and Sabians? I know Paiste's style is different, but I really want the 2002 but I don't want it to clash with everything else I have.

[Jezen]

I wouldn't do it. Even if I wasn't a major brand whore, I wouldn't do it just because the sound palettes are completely different.

[MetalDrummer777]

I want a 18" or 17" symbol thats reasonably priced, and its a great metal symbol, and has a great sound to it.

P.S. I already have an Sabian AA Metal-X 17" Crash, which i like, but im looking for another of any type from any company, which is basicly a metal or hard rock symbol.

Thanks

[bobby__johnny]

well, cant go wrong with the AA Medium Crash....its a very good all around CYMBAL

probably in the neighbourhood of 18".

[rockindrummer]

i own the paiste signature dry cymbal, its pretty versitile but the full ride cuts more so you should probably go with that

Thanks it sounded the dry ride had more stick definition and that it was louder but I could easly be wrong. Thanks for the help faith, I just which i could try both of them out with my band and then tell for sure which one is better.

[Seafroggys]

I wouldn't do it. Even if I wasn't a major brand whore, I wouldn't do it just because the sound palettes are completely different.

Would it be good just for the contrast though? Has anyone else tried to mix Paiste with other brands, if more specifically the 2002, with, say, a Sabian AA Crash and Zildjian A New Beat hats?

[Futuro]

Thanks it sounded the dry ride had more stick definition and that it was louder but I could easly be wrong. Thanks for the help faith, I just which i could try both of them out with my band and then tell for sure which one is better.

well i wasnt actually only talking volume but the bell and the cymbal itself is higher pitched and natrualy the higher the pitch(to a point) the more it will cut. either cymbal is really good, so no matter which one you choose you will be in good hands.(paiste IMO has the best customer service of any cymbal company, and are the most consistent)

[Der Meister]

Would it be good just for the contrast though? Has anyone else tried to mix Paiste with other brands, if more specifically the 2002, with, say, a Sabian AA Crash and Zildjian A New Beat hats?

I use a paiste sig with my K customs and soon with my HHXs :)

I would think the 2002 would go well with the AA

[Jezen]

Indeed it would, but not say, 2002 with K or HHX.

[why_so_green_and_lonely?]

Hey, is £ 100 a good deal for a 18" Sabian HHX evolution crash. I think it might be a bit more than that but its below 200 anyway

[chuckdrums]

i'm looking for a new crash. i like to play metal. i want to be able ride it for a while but also beable to crash for a single note. it has to be durable and last long

[bobby__johnny]

18" Medium Weight Crsh of some type

[chuckdrums]

thnx

[Quagmire 222]

For my birthday I'm getting a 14" Sabian AAX Studio Crash cymbal. I am going to use it as my secondary crash cymbal.

Anyone reccomend against using such a small size?

[boss]

a bigger size would be more suitable for a secondary crash
i have that cymbal and its pretty bright and punchy
there's nothing wrong with small crashes

[an_original_name]

Quagmire 222, what sort of stuff are you going to be playing with it? i would recomend a larger sized crash too, probably 18".

[Plan B.]

Untill you get two larger sized crashes, I would probably say get at least a 16", it's just more versitile.

[Plan B.]

Which to me is still pretty small, I prefer the 18"er's, haha.

[Rockafella]

I am looking for a solid crash cymbal for beginners that will last me a long time and is not that expensive.

[meizmatt]

im lookin for a fast, large, deep, china for my kit.
and i waas wonderin if you guys could give me like 3 suggestions on what would fit the bill
PRICE DOES NOT MATTER

[meizmatt]

im lookin for a fast, large, deep, china for my kit.
and i was wonderin if you guys could give me like 3 suggestions on what would fit the bill
PRICE DOES NOT MATTER

Edit: sorry for double post, comp froze

[rockindrummer]

well i wasnt actually only talking volume but the bell and the cymbal itself is higher pitched and natrualy the higher the pitch(to a point) the more it will cut. either cymbal is really good, so no matter which one you choose you will be in good hands.(paiste IMO has the best customer service of any cymbal company, and are the most consistent)

Sorry for the miss understanding, thanks for clearing it up.

[PFJ]

I am looking for a solid crash cymbal for beginners that will last me a long time and is not that expensive.

Its not really for beginners, but its priced like a beginner cymbal. Saluda Mist 16 medium crash.

[Murd_666]

meizmatt try the HH dark chinese 18 or 20"
K/Kustom Chinese 17"
and also the paiste traditional medium light chna 18"
also what kind of music are u playing? and there may be some I missed from sabians signature line cause I haven't heard alot from that series I think maybe the jia china might work....

[meizmatt]

also what kind of music are u playing?
i need it to be versatile...in pother word i play many genres

[Murd_666]

Versitlile china's
AAX Chinese 18"
B8 Pro Chinese 18"
XS20 Chinese 18"
you might think there to bright but try them at out to see if you like these

[Jezen]

im lookin for a fast, large, deep, china for my kit.
and i waas wonderin if you guys could give me like 3 suggestions on what would fit the bill
PRICE DOES NOT MATTER

Istanbul Agop Traditional China
Istanbul Agop Turk China
Istanbul Agop Sultan China

[bobby__johnny]

27" Wuhan China....but, you want fast, AND big? good luck.

[chuckdrums]

i can't diside between the sabian aax stage crash or the studio crash or just save up and get a paiste rude. which should i go for?

[Murd_666]

^wat genera r u playing?wat kind sound r u looking for?^

[Jezen]

i can't diside between the sabian aax stage crash or the studio crash or just save up and get a paiste rude. which should i go for?

Studio crash for sure.

[chuckdrums]

i play metal mostly

[bobby__johnny]

get the Stage at least. the Studio wont hold up.


i'd still be weary of the Stage Crash though...its only a Medium-thin.

[Jezen]

Medium-Thins are more explosive. I use em, and they are puurrrffect.



Notice the Onomateopiea. It's because Istanbul's can purr like cats or roar like lions when it comes to dynamics.

[Japan3gro]

My question is I like cymbals from all the brands but paiste sticks out more to me. Only downfall is the price which is the only reason I've been looking for other cymbals. Is it smarter to just go with zildjian/sabian or just save up for paiste?

[bobby__johnny]

save for what you want of course

but if you NEED good cymbals now, get the "more affordable" sabian and Zildjian cymbals.

[abandonthetruth]

I'm looking for Hats, preferably 14" that are washy and trashy when open, but when used with the foot are nice and crisp and have good stick definition. Any help would be appreciated.

[Tim]

i can't diside between the sabian aax stage crash or the studio crash or just save up and get a paiste rude. which should i go for?

get the stage crash. dont get a rude its a crsah ride. i have a stage crash in 16 inches. its great. medium thin is a good size for a crash.

[Rockafella]

Can anyone reccomend me a crash cymbal ideal for beginners, fairly obtainable, $50-$150, and plays and sounds great?

[Seafroggys]

^^^Good range there. I picked up my 18" AA Medium Crash for $137, but it was on sale.....I suppose you could get a 16" AA crash in that price range, that would suit very nicely. If not, try for some intermediate model in Sabian or Paiste's range.

[spirit]

Can anyone reccomend me a crash cymbal ideal for beginners, fairly obtainable, $50-$150, and plays and sounds great?

What kind of sound are you going for, what style(s) will you be playing with it?

[Quagmire 222]

Can anyone reccomend me a crash cymbal ideal for beginners, fairly obtainable, $50-$150, and plays and sounds great?

Sabian XS20 Medium-Thin Crash.

Or a Sabian AAX 16" Studio Crash goes for way below 150 at massmusic.net

[Trècool42]

Can anyone reccomend me a crash cymbal ideal for beginners, fairly obtainable, $50-$150, and plays and sounds great?

Sabian B8 and Zildjian ZXT/ZXT rock are the best beginner crashes for your price range..be sure not to mix up B8 and B8pro (B8 pro is actually worse sounding than B8) i wouldnt recommend them, but Zildjian ZBT crash cymbals are the bottom of the line cymbals if you want a big company name....but whatever you do...DO NOT buy pulse cymbals

[Trècool42]

im lookin for a fast, large, deep, china for my kit.
and i was wonderin if you guys could give me like 3 suggestions on what would fit the bill
PRICE DOES NOT MATTER

Edit: sorry for double post, comp froze

If there is no price restriction, id recommend (sp.?) a Zildjian A or K china in anywhere from 19-22" sizes. As for Sabian, an AAX or HHX chinese will do..also in anywhere from 19-22" and youre lucky...if price isnt a factor in your percussionly purchases..id have to mow 15 lawns to buy a new crash

[Jezen]

Tre I don't know why you are worried...I used to have to mow plenty of lawns, but never get any money.

[AmericanIdiot72]

Can someone recomend a big cymbal that will work well as a beat keeper

[Seafroggys]

^^^Wow, your username suits you.

Do you want a ride, or a crash you can ride on?

For a ride, anything works.

For a crash to ride on, something in the range of 18-20", prevarably medium or heavy. My 18" Sabian AA Medium Crash does a decent job for riding, though I rarely use it in that application.

[Tim]

i have an 18inch aaxplosion crash and it works as a great ride as well.

[Jezen]

Can someone recomend a big cymbal that will work well as a beat keeper

Hahahaha! :lol: funny!

[Murd_666]

Sabian B8 and Zildjian ZXT/ZXT rock are the best beginner crashes for your price range..be sure not to mix up B8 and B8pro (B8 pro is actually worse sounding than B8) i wouldnt recommend them, but Zildjian ZBT crash cymbals are the bottom of the line cymbals if you want a big company name....but whatever you do...DO NOT buy pulse cymbalsWTF!?! B8 are worse than B8 pro, well imo anyways.Can someone recomend a big cymbal that will work well as a beat keeperWats ur style of playing wat r u looking fpr in a cymbal? is it a ride, crash, a crash ride or even a china????

[Tim]

Sabian B8 and Zildjian ZXT/ZXT rock are the best beginner crashes for your price range..be sure not to mix up B8 and B8pro (B8 pro is actually worse sounding than B8) i wouldnt recommend them, but Zildjian ZBT crash cymbals are the bottom of the line cymbals if you want a big company name....but whatever you do...DO NOT buy pulse cymbals


WHAT!?!?!?!?!?! Dude the b8 pro chinas freakin own. i will soon own one becuase all ive done is play it and its freakin baaad.

[MXicanDrummer]

Quick, would you rather use Zildjian New Beats or Mastersounds?

My band plays alot of Green Day but we're writing our own stuff to. I've heard the new beats but never had a chance to try the mastersounds

[bobby__johnny]

new beats man...i havent met a person that hasnt at least complimented the new beats to some degree.

[MXicanDrummer]

sounds good, thanks man

[Trècool42]

imo and in my drummer friends' opinions, B8 pro sucks

[skadrummer411]

Ok, first of all does anyone know if paiste pst 5 hi-hats are any good for rock/punk/ska and if so what is the main difference between the 13" and 14" besides size? Second of all, I've been having trouble finding a ride that I really like, what would you suggest, and i'd like it to be under or around $150.

[Der Meister]

the 13" and 14" besides size?

13" will sound "tighter" with more stick definition and the 14" will sound more washy

[skadrummer411]

13" will sound "tighter" with more stick definition and the 14" will sound more washy

In that case I'll get the 13's, but that won't make them any less loud would it?

[Der Meister]

In that case I'll get the 13's, but that won't make them any less loud would it?

slightly

[spirit]

13" will sound "tighter" with more stick definition and the 14" will sound more washy

I'd also say that 14"'s are usually "chunkier" sounding, although that's not to say 13"'s can't be chunky, but that 14"'s are generally chunkier. 13"'s are also usually higher in pitch than 14"'s, but that will vary from series to series.

[bobby__johnny]

In that case I'll get the 13's, but that won't make them any less loud would it?

actually, the 13's should sound a bit louder.

[Jezen]

I think volume is more to do with the bell isn't it?

[Der Meister]

I always thought larger bell = louder. Or does the larger bell just raise the pitch?

[Jezen]

I think its the metal that changes the pitch, and maybe the thickness and density too.

[Shu]

the alloy from which it is made is obviously one of the main tonal changers, also the thickness would matter. but most of all the size would make a big difference in the pitch of the cymbal. also the lathing would make a diff.

[Jezen]

Yeah come to think of it, lathing and hammering makes a huge difference.

[spirit]

I always thought larger bell = louder. Or does the larger bell just raise the pitch?

Larger the bell, the greater the volume, all other things being equal. Or so I thought.

[spirit]

I thought I remembered reading about this on the Zildjian website.
Bell
All other factors being equal, the bell or cup size determines the amount of overtones or ring projected by a cymbal. A larger bell produces more overtones and a longer full-bodied sound. A smaller bell reduces ring and sustain and provides a more defined stick sound for riding.

Profile
Degree of curvature from the cup to the edge. The profile or "bow" of a cymbal affects its pitch and overtones. Higher profile cymbals will be higher in pitch and have fewer overtones. Flatter profile cymbals will be lower in pitch and have more overtones.

Taper
Degree to which the cymbal changes in thickness from cup to the edge. The design of the taper will contribute to the amount of Crash-like of Ride-like qualities in the cymbal.
Source:
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/zildjianu/101_cymbal.ad2

[MXicanDrummer]

This just in:
14" Zildjian New Beat hats kick major ***

That is all

[bobby__johnny]

I think volume is more to do with the bell isn't it?

partly. but where your talking hats, a 13" pairing of the same model would genneraly sound sharper and louder than the 14" Sibiling. weather or not becibel wise they are louder or not, who cares...they SEEM louder due to the higher pitch.

I always thought larger bell = louder. Or does the larger bell just raise the pitch?

bell size affects volume and overtones. a crash that is identical in all ways (save for the bell) should be louder if the bell was bigger, but tighter sounding if it was smaller.

I think its the metal that changes the pitch, and maybe the thickness and density too.

yep. your right. a thicker cymbal will be louder (and brighter) than an equal one that is thinner

also the lathing would make a diff.

probably not as much as you'd think....wider lathings would be a more wide open sound, tighter lathings would yeild a more focused sound...hence why the AAX's seem to respond better under lower volumes than say, a matching AA model.

[poppinfresh]

bell size also determines how cutting it is along with thickness. A cymbal with a bigger bell will be more agressive.

[mprules]

Q: i would like a ride cymbal, probably 20" but i am in New Zealand where cymbal prices are quite high, i would also like the ride to be reasonably priced, and quite versatile, i am not too fussed about brands, but sabian zildjian and paiste are definantly the easiest rides to get your hands on

[Hammerheart]

Q: i would like a ride cymbal, probably 20" but i am in New Zealand where cymbal prices are quite high, i would also like the ride to be reasonably priced, and quite versatile, i am not too fussed about brands, but sabian zildjian and paiste are definantly the easiest rides to get your hands on

Well, this one is pretty expensive, but I reccomend the Sabian HH Raw Bell dry ride. Amazing.

[an_original_name]

yeah a raw bell dry ride would work pretty well. either that or some kind of zildjian A series, they are always very versatile.

[spirit]

Well, this one is pretty expensive, but I reccomend the Sabian HH Raw Bell dry ride. Amazing.

/agrees

Partly 'cause I have it, but mostly 'cause it rocks. :p

[bobby__johnny]

i'd say if you can find an AA ride of some sort, you'll have a leg up on things. they should be priced in the middle somewhere.

[Flyin' Brian]

I'm currently playing 14" New Beats, 18" A Custom crash, and a 21" Sweet Ride.
I like the New Beats a lot, but I feel like they're too heavy and cumbersome sometimes. I'm looking for a pair of hats that are a little more responsive and articulate with a very smooth open sound and a solid chick. I'm not looking for a specific price range or brand, just curious if I can find all those qualities in a pair of hats. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

[bobby__johnny]

try some AA Regular hats maybe?

[Flyin' Brian]

I thought AA Regulars were basically Sabian's version of New Beats. Is this not the case?

[bobby__johnny]

i dont know,..i thought new beats were a fairly heavy pairing....the Regs are a Medium top/heavy bottom pairing....other than that, the lightest you'll find in sabians parings are AAX Studio Hats (Medium-thin/medium) or HHX Manhattan Jazz hats (same i think)

[Troy9915]

Ok, I need cymbals that are versatile so they can be played for rock/punk rock.

1) A ride cymbal that has VERY Clear stick definition with MINIMUM overtones.

2) 2 crash cymbals that have medium to long overtones, quick response or something like that. Possibly slightly dark sound, maybe not-so-bright sound, depending on what you can find. Please include sizes of the cymbals.

3) Quick response splash cymbal. I have a bright one right now and i would like to have a lower sound to counter it in a way, so a lower sounding splash would be nice.

4) A couple ideas for cool effect cymbals. I saw a post on an Ice Bell and thought that was cool. I also saw a stage bell. So if anyone could just give out a few ideas that would be cool.

If you could, please include prices and sizes so I could get a good idea for all these. Thank you for the time

[bobby__johnny]

1) A ride cymbal that has VERY Clear stick definition with MINIMUM overtones.

a 20" + cymbal is obviously going to have some overtones...it just is impossible to not have it...having said that, an A. Zildjian Earth Ride is as defined and dry as they come.

2) 2 crash cymbals that have medium to long overtones, quick response or something like that. Possibly slightly dark sound, maybe not-so-bright sound, depending on what you can find. Please include sizes of the cymbals.

sounds like 17" and 19" HHX Stage Crashes to me.

3) Quick response splash cymbal. I have a bright one right now and i would like to have a lower sound to counter it in a way, so a lower sounding splash would be nice.

try the same splash in a bigger size?

4) A couple ideas for cool effect cymbals. I saw a post on an Ice Bell and thought that was cool. I also saw a stage bell. So if anyone could just give out a few ideas that would be cool.

stage bell/icebell...same idea...perhaps a trash crash or china


If you could, please include prices and sizes so I could get a good idea for all these. Thank you for the time

get your *** to www.musiciansfriend.com and check the prices yourself.

[Flyin' Brian]

Thanks bobby johnny. I'll look into the AA Regular hats and see if they're the sound I'm hearing in my head. I don't want to lose the feel and versatility of New Beat style hats, I just want something a little more controllable.

[Murd_666]

Troy9915- 1 try the AAX Tight ride 20"
2 The HH Medium Crash and the K custom dark crash medium thin both 18"
3 The HH Splash 10" or the k custom 10" dark splash
4 Sabian- 6"/9"/12" Ice bells, 6"/7"/8" radia bell chimes,6"/8"/10" CD discs, thunder sheets
Zildjian- ZXT transformer, Earth plates high and low,9"/11" trash splash,18"/20" crash of doom, 16" A FX,18" A Breakbeat ride, 18" A swish, 22" A swish Knocker
Paiste-Mega cup chime 13", 12" flanger bell
Meinl-Gen X filter china 8"/10"/12"/14"/16",

[bobby__johnny]

^^^

good luck finding a spot for 1/2 of those cymbals in a punk tune.

[Murd_666]

ohhhh, I missed that they're for punk rock/rock, but meh he can find a way, just don't go buying them right away, before trying them....

[MXicanDrummer]

Would a Sabian AAX Studio Crash be a good compliment for an 18' Zildjian A Medium Crash?

[MWDrummer]

China Cymbal to complement:

14" A Custom Mastersound Hats
18" A Custom Fast Crash
16" A Custom Projection Crash
18" Zildjian A Medium Thin Crash
20" A Custom Ping Ride
10" A Custom Splash

I was thinking the 18" Oriental Trash China or the 18" A Custom China. Does anyone have any other ideas or are these good?

[Murd_666]

The AA China might do it for ya, but I think the China Trash should work also look into the B8 pro china and the Paiste 2002 chinas also.....

[bobby__johnny]

Would a Sabian AAX Studio Crash be a good compliment for an 18' Zildjian A Medium Crash?

sure would. try the stage crash too though.

China Cymbal to complement:

14" A Custom Mastersound Hats
18" A Custom Fast Crash
16" A Custom Projection Crash
18" Zildjian A Medium Thin Crash
20" A Custom Ping Ride
10" A Custom Splash

B8 Pro Chinese....i mean this in all seriousness....

[MXicanDrummer]

One more question, is there enough of a difference between a Sabian AAX studio crash and stage crash to want to buy one of each (instead of having two of the same. I want to have 3 crashes, 2 Sabian 16 inch AAX's and an 18' Zildjian A Medium Crash)

[bobby__johnny]

^^^

sure would be. the Stage is a medium-thin, and the studio is a thin....you could go for a 17" stage for a good blend.

16" thin
17" medium-thin
18" medium

...****...that sounds like a real nice mix there actually.

[MXicanDrummer]

god bless you bobbyjohnny

[Tim]

mmmmmmm AAX stage crash.

[MXicanDrummer]

Final question (for my cymbal dream set) what are your opinions on the zildjian Ping Ride and Sweet ride, and what other rides would go good with the crash assembly previously mentioned and a pair of New Beat Hihats

[Shu]

hey guys, just lookin for some opinions on sabian hhx evolution cymbals..
i really love the ride cos its light, pingy and its crashable..
i really like there crashs because they dont linger on for ever and they are nice and bright yet dark at the same time..
also i really liked zild session k customs 14" hats i think.. they sounded soo cool.. my dream hhx groove hats dont seem to compare :/

so what you guys think?
btw, i play like lightish rock, nothing heavy so i like to keep my cymbals thin to medium thin..

[Seafroggys]

Final question (for my cymbal dream set) what are your opinions on the zildjian Ping Ride and Sweet ride, and what other rides would go good with the crash assembly previously mentioned and a pair of New Beat Hihats

The ping rides are awesome. I plan to get an A 22" myself (don't bother with A Custom rides, I heard they weren't that great).

What would go well with that and New Beats? Probably an 18" Zildjian A Medium Crash, or if you want to save money get a Sabian 18" AA Medium crash, practically the same thing.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

i own a 20" A Ping, great ride and I would reccomend it. has good stick definition and osme wash, but playing with my band i can't hear it. tasty crash if you hit it on the edge as well

[drummer drew]

im lookin for a crash that isnt 2 expensive, sounds good, more in the punk/rock sounding kinda stuff. any suggestions??

[Murd_666]

MXican drummer GO WITH THE PING RIDE! I had a chance to try one out on friday when I played in a battle of the bands, I absolutly loved it well thats just in my opinion though....
Drummer Drew try the AA Rock crashes or If you can look for some of the old Z zildjian cymbals, cause they usually go for a good price

[Real live junkie]

hi
i'm looking for crash. is meinl a good brand. do all tha crashs on a drumset have to be of the same model. cheap and best plzz. plz include the prices.

[Shu]

meinl is an awesome brand in my opinion, but only there byancy series, i donno bout the rest.. no not all the crashs on a set have to be the same model, and its usually better to have lots of different cymbals.

[Tim]

hi
i'm looking for crash. is meinl a good brand. do all tha crashs on a drumset have to be of the same model. cheap and best plzz. plz include the prices.

no they dont have to be the same model. its better to mix them up. im not too familiar with the lines of meinl but i know they make some pretty good stuff. as far as cheap goes you shoudlnt buy one thats too cheap because then youll end up wanting to replace it soon. its best to fork out more money on a better cymbal so then you dont really need to. Well i dont know what size youre getting so ill jsut list a couple. Sabian AAX stage crash is a good 16inch crash. i use it and i find it to be really great. that will probably run you about $140. ALso Zildjian A custom medium is a good crash for both 16 and 18 inch but you usually dont want the same line of crash because they will sound really close to the same sound. the 16 would be about $160 and the 18 would be about $180 but prices vary depending on where you go. im just roughing the price. Sabian AAXplosion crashes are great but in the bigger sizes liek 17, 18, 19.. Also check out the sabian AA lines of crashes they also are great.

[Der Meister]

meinl is an awesome brand in my opinion, but only there byancy series, i donno bout the rest.. no not all the crashs on a set have to be the same model, and its usually better to have lots of different cymbals.

it's the byzance, byancy :lol: . I especially like the dry and dark finished crashes.

[Jezen]

Not just Byzance. Amuns are great too. Gen X's are abit too quick for me.

[bobby__johnny]

GenX is really for specialized uses....cant go wrong with an Amin, Byzance or Soundcaster though.

Amuns shouldnt run you too much. maybe a little less than an AA

[IHeartDisco]

Looking for a 16" Crash.
I am quite a heavy hitter so it has to be something durable.
I play mostly punk/rock and in a band with one guitar and one bass so I want it to be ehard over the top of that.

[skadrummer411]

Looking for a 16" Crash.
I am quite a heavy hitter so it has to be something durable.
I play mostly punk/rock and in a band with one guitar and one bass so I want it to be ehard over the top of that.

I'm not sure if you would like the trashy overtones, but wuhan crashes are supposed to be very punchy. And the s series have a nice finish on them so they wouldn't be as trashy as the trads.

[TheClash6412]

im looking for a bright splash, with not to fast of a decay, but also not too long

[-TheGlassPrison-]

Check out some HHX splashes.
The Evos rule.

[crolfe1]

Check out some HHX splashes.
The Evos rule.

Give the 8" or the 10" ( :thumb: ) A custom a listen. You might be very pleased!

[Strong Drummer]

whats the better buy? sabian paragon hi hats or new beat hi hats

[MXicanDrummer]

Never heard Paragon, but New Beats are the most versatile and they've been around for a long time.

[bobby__johnny]

whats the better buy? sabian paragon hi hats or new beat hi hats

the new beats. same general sound, MUCH less money.

[Tim]

the new beats. same general sound, MUCH less money.

new beat

[poppinfresh]

Never heard Paragon, but New Beats are the most versatile and they've been around for a long time.
doesnt mean they sounded exactly the same as now as they did before. Tghe new beats have gone through many changes.

[Epiphender]

I'm looking for some hi-hats. I really dig the sound of the ones in Who Are You? by The Who (CSI theme). I know it was edited and all that but that's the sort of sound I'm going for. If I try describing I guess I'd say they're really high and washy and fast, very very clean sounding. No overtones. Oh and a loud chick is good. Or an audible chick...I'm used to B8s, so probably anything will have a better one.

[Seafroggys]

^^^Ah yes, one of my favorite drum tracks. Keith Moon during that time period used Paiste 2002s, so I would suspect yuo should get 14" 2002 Sound Edge hats.

[Epiphender]

14 over 13" eh?

We've got a really small drum shop here, it's actually just part of an everything music shop, so chances are they won't have any around to try out.

And yeah I was thinking sound edge too, but why sound edge over the regular ones?

[rockindrummer]

Ya the 2002 soundedges are nice, but if Paiste is more expensive in your area, like mine, try looking into the A or A custom Mastersound Hi Hats. They should sound pretty much the same as the Soundedges.
I have the mastersound and will say they are pretty much what you are looking for. Also there is never a time when you shouldn't go try the Hats out for yourself and see which you like the best.

[Epiphender]

...unless of course it's impossible. But yeah, definitely if I get a chance to try more stuff I will!

[rockindrummer]

ya sorry I didn't read that part, my bad.



And yeah I was thinking sound edge too, but why sound edge over the regular ones?

As for why the sound edges over the regular ones is because the sound edges or mastersounds have a cringled (s.p?) bottom edge so they have a more articulate chick sound. Which you said you liked the sound of. There are also other reasons that I'm not totaly sure about, so I won't provide you with false information.

[bobby__johnny]

Ya the 2002 soundedges are nice, but if Paiste is more expensive in your area, like mine, try looking into the A or A custom Mastersound Hi Hats. They should sound pretty much the same as the Soundedges.
I have the mastersound and will say they are pretty much what you are looking for. Also there is never a time when you shouldn't go try the Hats out for yourself and see which you like the best.


geiven the fact they're 2002's, they wouldnt be overly expensive though.

[Epiphender]

How do the various Paiste lines rank for expensitivity?

[bobby__johnny]

PST3, PST5, PST8, Alpha, Innovations, 2002/Rude, Dimensions, Traditionals, Signatures

Exotics and noiseworks fall everywhere in between.

[Epiphender]

Anyone know where I can hear Paiste soundclips?

[poppinfresh]

www.indoorstorm.com

[spirit]

Anyone know where I can hear Paiste soundclips?

Cool thing is, Paiste are really consistant, so if you hear a sound you like, you should be able to order blind and like what you get. "Should" being the operative word.

[poppinfresh]

yea they're made out of huge sheets by machines so theres not much that could be different within the lines and if theyre the same size.

[Seafroggys]

And yeah I was thinking sound edge too, but why sound edge over the regular ones?

Moon used Sound Edge. I read what his setup was on a site once.

[bobby__johnny]

yea they're made out of huge sheets by machines so theres not much that could be different within the lines and if theyre the same size.

yeah, cause that hand hammer crap doesnt make any difference.

[NCDrummer]

ok! Can you find an ok cymbal package that'll be ok for a drummer who wants to get ride of his crappy cymbals that look like stamped out sheet metal painted bronze! .....so yeah! price range: 200 to 250!......i'm not looking for professional cymbals now.....cause i'm still learning and stuff......i just need something better then the ones i have now!......

and ACTION!

[skadrummer411]

ok! Can you find an ok cymbal package that'll be ok for a drummer who wants to get ride of his crappy cymbals that look like stamped out sheet metal painted bronze! .....so yeah! price range: 200 to 250!......i'm not looking for professional cymbals now.....cause i'm still learning and stuff......i just need something better then the ones i have now!......

and ACTION!

Wuhans. Any of their box or bag sets are less than $250 and they sre top notch cymbals. :D

[NCDrummer]

Wuhans, eh? I thought they were crap!?

[Ill Mitch]

Wuhans, eh? I thought they were crap!?

Not at all.

[nzrocker]

Hey all. Looking for hi-hats, probably 14", to get that classic 60's wash like ringo and charlie watts. To compliment a 21" A sweet ride and an 18" K crash/ride. open to any brand and (nearly) any price. Thanks heaps.

[bobby__johnny]

either the A. New Beats, or some 2002 Medium Hats.

[NCDrummer]

thoughts on ZXT rock set?...anyone?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/fg=121/g=perc/search/detail/base_pid/443914/

[Tim]

thoughts on ZXT rock set?...anyone?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/fg=121/g=perc/search/detail/base_pid/443914/

yea...dont get them

[NCDrummer]

why?

[Cal_on_drums]

I'm looking for a funky sounding crash and splash from the Istanbul series? Anyone got any advice?

[poppinfresh]

funky sounding isnt very descriptive.

[bobby__johnny]

why?

easily put, they suck.

[Tim]

easily put, they suck.

yea thers really no easy answer besides they suck and they are too much money for such poopish cymbals

[Epiphender]

Moon used Sound Edge. I read what his setup was on a site once.

Do you know what size his were?

How come people always say Paiste cymbals are really consistant? Aren't they all partly handmade?

[Drazinus]

Ok, I'm looking for a smallish cymbal, 14 or 15 inch, that's just...obnoxious, I guess is the word I'm looking for, loud, lots of overtones, long decay, it's to sort or crash ride on, like play 8th notes on, kinda thing, I guess...doesn't matter what brand or anything.

[-Draz-]

[skadrummer411]

Ok, I'm looking for a smallish cymbal, 14 or 15 inch, that's just...obnoxious, I guess is the word I'm looking for, loud, lots of overtones, long decay, it's to sort or crash ride on, like play 8th notes on, kinda thing, I guess...doesn't matter what brand or anything.

[-Draz-]

Any wuhan china. The bigger the more annoying and trashy.

[poppinfresh]

Do you know what size his were?

How come people always say Paiste cymbals are really consistant? Aren't they all partly handmade?
NOO. They are made out of huge sheets and they are cookie cuttered out. Im not sure if all of them are made like this but i know for a fact that sigs are made like this.

[AkeJay02]

*Bump*
?? :confused: ??

[Drazinus]

Any wuhan china. The bigger the more annoying and trashy.

Yeah, but to get something with longer decay I'd have to get like, a 22inch, and I want something reasonably small to boom in kinda above my ride, I tried out my 12 inch and 16 inch wuhans for this already and they were close, but not exactly what I'm looking for.

[-Draz-]

[bobby__johnny]

^^^

take a look as to what page that was on eh? that was before the sticky

[Epiphender]

I know I like to go back many pages until before something was stickied, and question people's bumps.

poppin - I just found this.

http://paiste.com/faqs/default.php?faqcategoryid=4&faqid=79#faq79

[Seafroggys]

Do you know what size his were?

How come people always say Paiste cymbals are really consistant? Aren't they all partly handmade?

I'm guessing 14", but maybe 15".....after all, it *was* Keith Moon.

[poppinfresh]

I know I like to go back many pages until before something was stickied, and question people's bumps.

poppin - I just found this.

http://paiste.com/faqs/default.php?faqcategoryid=4&faqid=79#faq79
thats what the guy in the store told me, but ill ask around at this http://www.sanjoseprodrum.com/paiste.htm . It still doent say which lines but that could be because i didn't read closely.

[Tim]

Whats a good china that would go well with my 18inch AA?

[llama123]

Do you know what size his were?

How come people always say Paiste cymbals are really consistant? Aren't they all partly handmade?
Paiste have a very strict quality control.

[bobby__johnny]

Whats a good china that would go well with my 18inch AA?

i assume you mean your 18" AA China right?

cant go wrong in adding a 14" or 16" china of some sort....

[Tim]

i assume you mean your 18" AA China right?

cant go wrong in adding a 14" or 16" china of some sort....

yea i meant 18inch AA china

[Ethan.]

What does the 21" AAX Stage Ride sound like? I found for real cheap and I am considering buying it.

[Ethan.]

Also what are some good questions to ask when buying a used cymbal?

[bobby__johnny]

dont ask questions...aside from "how old is it?"

just look for obvious damage (cracks, keyholes, dents etc..) Play it. if you dont like it, dont buy it.

[Epiphender]

Look for cracks and keyholing.

Oh are you buying online or something?

[hope lost]

Hi guys,

yeah i'm lookin to buy my first set of proffesional cymbals preferably Sabian or Zildjian. I've looked at Sabain AAX and Zildjian A-Customs but im open to any suggestions...

[Tim]

mmmmm sabian AAXstage crash. mmmmm. A custom crashes are good too.

[Ethan.]

Sabian HHX. Top notch Sabian cymbals that sound incredible. I love the rides and have heard good things about the Groove Hats.

[bobby__johnny]

mix and match what you like....you could end up with a total mix of something like AAX Stage Hats, A Zildjian Ping Ride, and A Custom Projection crash

[Daniel!]

I'm looking for a thin bright crash cymbal. Nothing paper thin though.

[Seafroggys]

^^^16" Thin Istanbul Agop Traditional......

Anyway, I did a review on a AA 18" Medium, here's the link.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359565

[Tim]

What iis a good pair of hats that also goes with a 18icnh aaxplosion and a 16inch aax stage crash? i was thinking 13inch aax stage hats or AA rock hi-hats.

[stevoibanez]

^^ AAX stage hats or AAXcelerators

[Tim]

i think i will go for the stage hats.

[Blackhorizons]

I'm looking into buying a china cymbal, I want a bright crisp sound that is very audible and pronounced, preferably paist but any suggestions?

[Flyin' Brian]

I'm back again in my quest for the perfect hats. First off, they have to sound hella smooth open, like my A Custom crashes, they have to be articulate and responsive, not slushy, and they have to have a tight foot chick.

Am I looking for lighter hats, like A Customs or AAX Studios, or smaller diameter (13" or smaller) standard hats like New Beats or AAX Stage, or heavier vented fusion hats?

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

I tried out heaps of hats when i picked out my 14" new beats. I'll run through soemt he ones I tried:

13" new beats
Awesome stick definition closed, but playign htem half cloased left a bit to be desired. They don't have enough metal for a nice sound, more of a harsher punch.

14" A Customs
Almost chose these, and a good pair of hats. Sweet closed sound and I quite enjoyed them half closed and open as well. I'd sugest starting here and see if you like them.

13" A Customs
Higher pitched than the 14" hats, didn't they them as much, but still offered a nice sound. Slushy when open so probably not what your lookign for.

14" HHX Groove Hats
I really did not like these hats, I thought I was going ot hear a nice crisp funky pair of hats when I tried them I ended up with a sharp high pitched chick.

14" Paiste Sound Formula Heavy Hats
I thought these hats were pretty alright, nice sticking and a pretty good wash sound when played open.

14" New Beats (brilliant)
They are great all round hats. Good stick definition and nice wash played open. A little brighter than the A Customs, check these out as well.


well theres a few I've tried out myself, I'm sure other people will offer more sugestions, just remmeber the most important thing is what YOU think about them, after all your the one whos goign to be playing them.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

I'm looking into buying a china cymbal, I want a bright crisp sound that is very audible and pronounced, preferably paist but any suggestions?

Try a 2002 china, either 18" or 20". Great cuttign chinas, the 20" will take your face off.

[4t4]

i wanna buy a cymbal set (high-hat, crash and ride) between 300 and 500 dollars i wanna play metal with it. thx

[bobby__johnny]

I'm back again in my quest for the perfect hats. First off, they have to sound hella smooth open, like my A Custom crashes, they have to be articulate and responsive, not slushy, and they have to have a tight foot chick.

Am I looking for lighter hats, like A Customs or AAX Studios, or smaller diameter (13" or smaller) standard hats like New Beats or AAX Stage, or heavier vented fusion hats?

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

those almost descirbe the AA sizzle hats. its a medium/heavy pairing, but the bottom is vented and has sizzles in it (obviously)

thus, the close sound is tight. foots should be sharp, and they give a great wash thanks to the sizzles.....all in all, best pairing of hats?

though, being AA, you have your choice of bright...or bright. heh....although, you could request a custom order from a local dealer in having the bottom cymbal riveted in the same fashion for a pair of Hand hammereds or HHX's if your after a darker sound.

[MXboy]

Sorry to bother. I was planning to get some new cymbals for my kit. I play mainly like Rock?...Rock-pop kinda music? Kinda mixed actually so i was looking for recommendations for crashes? Just planning to get maybe one or two or possibly even three more to add to my current kit? I currently have just an XS20 Medium-Thin Crash. Could you guys recommend me some other good ones? Umm....they have to be from Sabian cos the place i get them from only stocks Sabian. Thanks in advance. Btw...i'm not sure exactly what i need so yea....just recommendations? thanks. P.S. willing to get anything HHX and below. =) the rest are too pricey. haha thx.

[bobby__johnny]

go for medium/medium-thin weights for your styles

check out the Hand Hammered Medium and Medium Thin crashes, HHX Stage crashes, and posibly an AA or AAX crash (Stage/Medium-thin)

the HH and HHX lines should be identically priced, so if they arent, grease out the shop and show them in the sabian catalog that they are equally priced.

[MXboy]

have HH been phased out or something? cos i cant find them on the sabian website. Found AA but no HH. By the way, I dont think i will need a Stage Crash...those are for projection right? Maybe just one cos i dont think i will perform like on stage much. How bout studios crashes?

[bobby__johnny]

hells no...HH is known as Hand Hammered on the side...HH=Hand Hammered....thats their original thing too, you'll never see that leave.

and the stage/studio thing, that refers to the weight.

Stage = Medium-thin
Studio = Thin

for your given genres, the stages are best off for you.

[MXboy]

oic. so its different from like projection crashes? cool. lucky..but right now i using the XS20 Medium Thin Crash and i find it quite a bit too gongy and only sounds good if i hit it hard and still then its a but like....it sounds thinnishly narrow? and like kinda high pitched with like quite a bit of sustain? thats the best i can put it. Anything which isnt that gongy and is like a bit deeper in sound with faster decay? Haha i hope u know what im talking about.

[bobby__johnny]

well, the XS20 line has the gongy thing going on in all models, so the HHX Stage crash sounds like what your describing. Dark, cuts, and fairly fast.

[MXboy]

yay thats one down on my list. now for one more crash. =) what else would i need or is that all i should check out? Cos i dont want to buy something i wont use. By the way what kind of crash is that kind which is played over and over again like a hat in those like guitar heavy parts.

[bobby__johnny]

....umm...a big heavier crash?...try an 18" AA Medium crash i guess.

[MXboy]

are u sure...? i was expecting like something thin and light. weird.

[bobby__johnny]

if your hitting it repetedly, your gonna want some weight to it to handle the sticking.