*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[sublimeisnice]

Hey Im thinking about changing my cymbal line up a tad. I'd prefer just to expand, and I have the money too, but i cant really justify it. So I'm thinking about selling/trading my 18" AAX dark crash. Anyone interested? I'm looking for either cash, or bright crashes to match my A custom 19", preferably more A customs. I might do the same to my 16" k custom dark crash and splash...i like the contrast between my dark ride and hats to bright crashes.

[Dave*Grohl]

Nice washy crash but not too washy, and not zildjian sweet ride? thanks!

[hundurinn]

I just began drumming 5 days ago but only got the standard cymbals with my new set.

I'm planning to buy new cymbals this summer and i'm not sure what I should go for. I can't buy it from local stores, way to expencive, so i have to order them from US or with in EU that's why i can't test them my self.

I'll be playing rock like Smashing Pumpkins, Tool, A Perfect Circle, Mars Volta. What should i go for? :confused:

[boss]

i currently have a 14" AAX studio crash, 16" XS20 rock crash and an 18" AAX stage crash. Now i'm looking for a new ride that would sound well with these with a washy sound to them. Right now i'm in the middle of looking at either a 20" HHX stage ride or a 21" HH Raw-Bell Dry ride. Any suggestions?

[susto_001]

i currently have a 14" AAX studio crash, 16" XS20 rock crash and an 18" AAX stage crash. Now i'm looking for a new ride that would sound well with these with a washy sound to them. Right now i'm in the middle of looking at either a 20" HHX stage ride or a 21" HH Raw-Bell Dry ride. Any suggestions?

I can't speak for the HHX stage ride, but I can tell you that I have the 21" HH Raw-bell dry ride and it is freakin' sweet. It's really versitle. The only problem I have with that ride is it's kinda quiet, and had a little more wash than I was hoping for - but the wash is kind of a welcome sound now. It gives my set a little more something.

Anyway, I like the 21" HH Raw-Bell Dry ride. It's what the name implies - Dry. It's not TOO washy, but then again, any cymbal is going to give wash.

Sorry about this lengthy post, but in any case, I would choose the Dry ride. I think it sounds great - just try them both in a store some time.

[groomits]

Hey Im thinking about changing my cymbal line up a tad. I'd prefer just to expand, and I have the money too, but i cant really justify it. So I'm thinking about selling/trading my 18" AAX dark crash. Anyone interested? I'm looking for either cash, or bright crashes to match my A custom 19", preferably more A customs. I might do the same to my 16" k custom dark crash and splash...i like the contrast between my dark ride and hats to bright crashes.

how much you would sell your aax dark, and is the cymbal in good shape?

[sublimeisnice]

The cymbal is in great shape, its got a few stick marks, a few fingerprints...it sells new for 169 so im really just taking offers on it...i was hoping to trade it straight up for a 17" a custom that someone else had used but in fine condition, because they have the same new sale price...but i ll take offers on it. I'll post a good picture of it soon.

[meizmatt]

I just began drumming 5 days ago but only got the standard cymbals with my new set.

I'm planning to buy new cymbals this summer and i'm not sure what I should go for. I can't buy it from local stores, way to expencive, so i have to order them from US or with in EU that's why i can't test them my self.

I'll be playing rock like Smashing Pumpkins, Tool, A Perfect Circle, Mars Volta. What should i go for? :confused:

i would go for a starter pack, IMO your two best bets are:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=perc/s=cymbals/search/detail/base_pid/446468/?c_tid=topseller
and
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=perc/s=cymbals/search/detail/base_pid/444594/?c_tid=topseller

[nzrocker]

Anyone got the K/Z 14' hi-hats? I want something dark, and the wash shouldn't be too tonal or musical if you know what I mean, I hated the 13' A New Beats, the wash was too tonal and ringy. But I want something with a really nice thick, low chick sound. Should fit with pop/rock, classic rock/alternative, and the 'chick' should be funky.

[no1bettr]

Ok, my teacher has a Paiste 505 20" ride. It sounds fantastic but i cant find one like it anywhere. Did they stop making them? And if you have played one, what are your opinions of it?

[Seafroggys]

Anyone got the K/Z 14' hi-hats? I want something dark, and the wash shouldn't be too tonal or musical if you know what I mean, I hated the 13' A New Beats, the wash was too tonal and ringy. But I want something with a really nice thick, low chick sound. Should fit with pop/rock, classic rock/alternative, and the 'chick' should be funky.

I would think New Beats would work. I love the 14" New Beats, might want to try a larger hi-hat. Also look at Mastersounds.

[groomits]

what is the thicker between the rock weight and the med-heavy weight?

[bobby__johnny]

A rock Weight is a Medium-Heavy in a Crash.

a rock weight ride would be a Heavy.

(This goes for sabian anyway)

[Der Meister]

I'm torn between the 16" Sabian HH duo crash and the HHX stage Crash to compliment my 17" Kcustom dark. I haven't heard them with my K custom so I'm not sure of the voulmes. Are they rougly the same? Also Which to you reckon would blend with the K custom better?

anybody?

[sleepless]

Alright johnny...I need your expertise once again.

I recently went and store tested some cymbals...some Paistes, Zils, and Sabians. The one I had anticipated testing the most was the HH Raw Bell Dry Ride. I love the bow sound and the bell sound...but I don't think it has enough volume. Also the wash was very...unmusical? I'm just not so sure that it would fit in well with my HHX Hats and Vault Crash. Any suggestions?

[groomits]

A rock Weight is a Medium-Heavy in a Crash.

a rock weight ride would be a Heavy.

(This goes for sabian anyway)

thanks bobby :D

[bobby__johnny]

I recently went and store tested some cymbals...some Paistes, Zils, and Sabians. The one I had anticipated testing the most was the HH Raw Bell Dry Ride. I love the bow sound and the bell sound...but I don't think it has enough volume. Also the wash was very...unmusical? I'm just not so sure that it would fit in well with my HHX Hats and Vault Crash. Any suggestions?

well, it is a dry ride, and thus, the wash and volume will be diminished. if you are looking for more volume, in a similar sound, try and find a Hand Hammered Heavy ride. (or K. Zildjian Heavy Ride). it should be fairly low pitched, but the weight will be a bit heavier, and the bell a bit bigger. (more volume, a bit more wash). technically, stick definiton should be increased too, because its going to be heavier....hope that helps.

I'm torn between the 16" Sabian HH duo crash and the HHX stage Crash to compliment my 17" Kcustom dark. I haven't heard them with my K custom so I'm not sure of the voulmes. Are they rougly the same? Also Which to you reckon would blend with the K custom better?

anybody?

of those two, the Duo crash will be the dryer and should be the darker sounding. myself, i'd take the HHX Stage though. it will be a bit more dominant sounding than the K Custom however...so maybe also look into the Hand Hammered Medium-Thin crashes.

[drummer172]

I think they are incredable... I have the 13'' dark crisp sig hats and next week I am getting the 14'' sound edge sig hats. :naughty:
Hey man I was actually deciding between dark crisps and sound edges. Which do you like better

[Dude123]

looking for a second crash and new hats. I play mostly rock and metal music, so I would prefer to avoid thin cymbals..Current cymbal setup is : Sabian 17" AA medium crash, 11" max splash, 20" AA rock ride. For the hats, im looking for a good all around pairing, was thinking about 14" AAx studios or 14" A New beats. Crash, something to compliment my current setup, looking for suggestions on both bright and dark crashes. And a trashy china around the 18-20 size, as I've got a 12" wuhan. Thanks

[Matter]

Hey man I was actually deciding between dark crisps and sound edges. Which do you like better

Well i'm in love with my new 14'' sig sound edge hats...suprisingly the 14'' sig sound edges are higher pitched than the 13'' sig dark crisp hats. The sound edges' are cleaner sounding with a smoother wash and tight as hell "chick" while the dark crisp has more of a crispy wash and chick as the name applies.
I'm deciding which hats I want as the main and which one is going on the cable hat...but they both sound Delicious!!! you can't make a wrong choice between these two high-hats!!! :thumb:

[Murd_666]

looking for a second crash and new hats. I play mostly rock and metal music, so I would prefer to avoid thin cymbals..Current cymbal setup is : Sabian 17" AA medium crash, 11" max splash, 20" AA rock ride. For the hats, im looking for a good all around pairing, was thinking about 14" AAx studios or 14" A New beats. Crash, something to compliment my current setup, looking for suggestions on both bright and dark crashes. And a trashy china around the 18-20 size, as I've got a 12" wuhan. Thanks
Hats AA 14" Regulars
Crash 18" AAX Satge Crash or 18" HHX Studio
Chinese 20" HHX Chinese

[Sponer]

Well, here's my first post... :)
I currently have all B8's besides my AA China and AA splash, and although I'm probably going to be buying a rack next, I like the idea to this thread and think I'll see what others reccomend for me.

I'd like to upgrade my B8 crashes first though. I'm having trouble explaining what I want though. My band mates want something loud, and I'd agree on that for gigs. But when at home practicing, I like to play different styles (I play metal with my band) and I'd like my crashed to be warm sounding and kind of mix well with my drums, especially the bass drum. I read an article of Modern Drummer on the new Sabian Vault line, and they sounding good (though I've never played one) but I'm not sure.

So any suggestions? I'd prefer Sabian cymbals, but I'll listen to other suggestions too.
Thanks! :)

[bobby__johnny]

for metal, i'd advise AGAINST the Vault series.

your best bets would be AA Medium Crashes (17" +) - they will cut through your metal, but wont sound bad or obtrusive when struck lightly.

they are a fairly bright sounding cymbal, but compared to your B8's, they will sound warmer.

gennerally, for metal, Bright sound are the choice, but you can look into the HHX stage Crashes or Hand Hammered Medium Crashes for darker tones. they will be a bit more expensive, but will be equally as thick, and loud as the AA's.

[Meeko]

I'm in the market for two new cymbals. A ride and a [/b]china[/b].

Right now, I'm currently hitting an Zildjian A 20" Ping Ride. I really don't like the stick definition on it, it just starts to all wash out and blend into one sound. I'm looking for one with a nice sound (duh) and good stick definition. I'm thinking a K Custom, but I'd just like to see what ya'll think before I go to Sam Ash and check them out.

I've never had a China before, and I don't really wanna spend too much money on one (they arn't supposed to have the greatest sound, no?). I really have no idea what to look for in a China. I don't really want a WuHan, I've heard those break real easy, and I'm a fairly hard hitter.

Thanks.

[bobby__johnny]

if you want more definiton than a Ping Ride, then K Custom is NOT what you want.

the only thing i can think of that has more sticking than any other ride on the face of this planet, is the A Zildjian Earth Ride. its a beast, and should be rather dry.

B8 Pro for the china. a bit more that that of a Wuhan, but less trash, more tone, and your normal 1 year warranty and brand name relaiability.

[Dude123]

ooking for a second crash and new hats. I play mostly rock and metal music, so I would prefer to avoid thin cymbals..Current cymbal setup is : Sabian 17" AA medium crash, 11" max splash, 20" AA rock ride. For the hats, im looking for a good all around pairing, was thinking about 14" AAx studios or 14" A New beats. Crash, something to compliment my current setup, looking for suggestions on both bright and dark crashes. And a trashy china around the 18-20 size, as I've got a 12" wuhan. Thanks

Bobby, any ideas for a complementing bright sounding crash?

[drummer172]

A customs should do the job. For bright I would go with the standard A custom crash. Or if your looking for quick decay go with the fast crash.

[spiritII]

B8 Pro for the china. a bit more that that of a Wuhan, but less trash, more tone, and your normal 1 year warranty and brand name relaiability.

You really like that B8 Pro china, don't you?

[Flyin' Brian]

^^ For good reason. It is teh win!

[bobby__johnny]

You really like that B8 Pro china, don't you?

yes....yes i do. that would be why i reccomend it.

Bobby, any ideas for a complementing bright sounding crash?

maybe a 17" AA Rock Crash....and the hats - 14" AAX Stage Hats.

[Brendan]

i dont feel like lurking this whole thread so im just gona post my question, sorry if its already been addressed


im considering going with a 21' sweet ride, but it comes in brilliant and trad. finishes. is there any diffrence between the 2 cymbals besides physical appearance?

[Murd_666]

no i tried both types, the brilliant one is polished at high speed so it is very slightly thinner but the sound difference is unnoticeable....

[bobby__johnny]

well, the 2 you will try will sound quite different, as hey are different cymbals

but assuming you tried a cymbal in traditional, and then added the brilliant afterwards, it should sound a bit smoother and glassier (only i tiny bit mind you) and the actual pitch would drop a bit....not to any audible difference mind you.

so basically, to the human ear, they should sound the same. to an oscilliscope, you would be seeing a slight change.

my opinion, go Traditional when possible...its MUCH easier to keep clean.

[Murd_666]

^ I do agree, brilliant finishes pisses me off when you try and clean them^

[Der Meister]

traditional look better anyway :p

[Brendan]

alright guys thanks for the help. personally, im a brilliant finish kinda person but keeping them clean really is a bitch. i think you have to special order brilliant ones from musicians friend but guitar center has them stocked so when ive got the money it will be alot quicker and easier.

[bobby__johnny]

good man. in person. :thumb:

massmusic does Brilliant on request....they order the cymbal after you order anyway i think

[Brendan]

then thats definately not for me, waiting for stuff in the mail kills me. i start getting real impulsive and check the tracking alot...

[bobby__johnny]

2 weeks for my cymbal to come in. not that bad really, considering it went from Sabian (4 or so hour drive from my house), through customs, down to Arizona, back into customs, and then onto my house.

[osiecki]

im not quite sure how to describe the sound that i want, but i want metal cymbals. (preferably sabian)

crash, ride, hats, splash

[bobby__johnny]

i'm guessing bright and cutting?

AA Rock and AAX Metal models would suit you the best.

[osiecki]

awesome, thanks

[The Haunt Of]

Hey, I'm in need of a new crash cymbal, and I don't know what to get. I know the best way is to go try them out at the store, but how about some advise?
I'm in a fairly hard rock band and I need a cymbal that can cut through the music. I have an A series 18'' that sort of booms behind the music, I need a cymbal to stick through the song. Obviously an A custom would be nice, I looked at an A custom Fast crash, but that decay is so quick, I need something to stick around longer..... A custom Projection?
My cymbals are K custom ride 20'', 18'' A crash and 14'' A New Beat hats. What cymbal with the above qualities would go well with these other cymbals. Im looking mainly at Zildjians, or Paistes under $200, any advice will help.
thanks

[Badkarma05]

I have a 17" A Custom Projection crash and love it, I play hard rock/metal/funk, its loud and powerful but very musical at the same time. I highly recommend one!

-BD

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

123

A custom projections are a great choice, if your store has them, check out 18" and 19" models as well as the 17", you might like abit more metal. I have the 18" and I love it, best thing I've ever bought.

[bobby__johnny]

i'd say a 16" or 17" A Rock Crash would cut perfectly.

[The Haunt Of]

thanks

[groomits]

anyone ever played/eared the vault artisan ride?? On the Sabian site they say it sounds really good but I'd like to ear others opinions...

[bobby__johnny]

by what they say on Sabian.com, my interpretation is that its their take on the K Constantinople ride that Zildjian makes.....take it from there i guess. i'll tell you when i try one for sure.

[groomits]

so it would be a kind of a jazz, soft music ride?

[bobby__johnny]

they make two weights. Medium and medium-thin (or thin?)

the medium would probably be suitable for most styles, but i think that they are oriented towards softer volumes.

[Murd_666]

I think it's thin and medium...

[meizmatt]

any one know any good rides that are versatile enough to go from metal to jazz and anything in between,
price is no issue
im not a brand whore so any suggestion is good

[Murd_666]

Try an AA medium/Medium-heavy Ride

[bobby__johnny]

any one know any good rides that are versatile enough to go from metal to jazz and anything in between,
price is no issue
im not a brand whore so any suggestion is good

i'd say an HHX Stage Ride....perhaps the Dry Ride would be a good choice too.

[groomits]

whats the main difference between the AA, AAX and HHX dry rides??

[Ethan.]

hey I am looking for a new cymbal pack $150 range. I have had cymbals that come with my kit for a year and I'm really sick of them. (I don't even have a ride cymbal.) I'm looking at the Meinl MCS pack. I don't have a job and I'm only 14, so money at my age is hard to come by. Does anybody have any Suggestions/Recomendations?

I played the set at my school for a little bit and got spoiled :) They have a paiste full crash, zildjian new beat hats, and sabian aa medium ride. I really don't like such a light ride though. That 17" paiste crash is sweet though (its also $200 ish at guitar center lol)

Any help would be deeply appreciated. thanks

[bobby__johnny]

whats the main difference between the AA, AAX and HHX dry rides??

the AA has a bigger bell than the AAX. i imagine it'd be a tad louder and brighter sounding too.

the AAX should have tighter definition though. i have one myself. a very shimmery tone to it when crashed that i dont particularly care for. but sticking sounds tight, bright and defined. the bell, though small, is bright and cutting.

the HHX should be similar in presence, but be darker sounding than both of the others.

[Stubbsy]

Bobby do u recomend,
Sabian 18.5” Signature Explosion Crash
Sabian 14” AAX X-Celerator Hi-Hats
Sabian 10” AAX Splash
Sabian 21” AA Rock Ride
Zildjian A 16” Medium Crash
Zildjian Oriental 16” China Trash
Zildjian A 8” Splash
for a good rock setup??

[bobby__johnny]

Sabian 18.5” Signature Explosion Crash
Sabian 14” AAX X-Celerator Hi-Hats
Sabian 10” AAX Splash
Sabian 21” AA Rock Ride

when did you become Chad Smith? do you honestly like these cymbals on YOUR OWN?

they actually all seem fine, but that Chad Smith Crash is a waste of time. your better off with an 18" AA Medium for sure.

Zildjian A 16” Medium Crash
Zildjian Oriental 16” China Trash
Zildjian A 8” Splash

excellent choices there though.

[Stubbsy]

hahah gee u no your cymbals...nah i like the ride and the hats...so the 18"AA medium sounds alot like the chad smith 1...i just love th sound he gets out of them..wat other cymbals from other brands sound like:
Sabian 14” AAX X-Celerator Hi-Hats
Sabian 21” AA Rock Ride
i dont care what brand, but the sabian ones do sound nice!!!

[drummer172]

AA=A zildjian
AAX=A custom zildjian

[Stubbsy]

ok cool thanks..!!

[BNew00YC]

i'm looking for something of a rock crash but i'm also trying to find one with a sizzle effect any have anything for me?

[King]

would you recommend an A Earth Ride for rock and metal playing? because i love the cymbal and am planning to buy it. if they still make them...

[JamesDrummer]

Hi Bobby and others, I don't know if this is the right place to ask but I have this Meinl splash and wanted to know what it was. I is 11" and has "PROFILE" written on the top . "PRO" is red and "FILE" is green. my dad bought it at a boot sale for $20 , thanks, James

[Ethan.]

could someone please answer my question? i really need some advice

[drummer172]

Maybe sabian b8's

[bobby__johnny]

hahah gee u no your cymbals...nah i like the ride and the hats...so the 18"AA medium sounds alot like the chad smith 1...i just love th sound he gets out of them..hahah gee u no your cymbals...nah i like the ride and the hats...so the 18"AA medium sounds alot like the chad smith 1...i just love th sound he gets out of them..[/quote]

you must realize that when they record, the sounds are being run though mics, EQ's and most likely a very talented sound guy. and also, all cymbals sound unique, so what may sound GREAT on a CD, could sound HORRIBLE in person. thats why i suggest the 18" AA Medium. its a fairly standard sounding cymbal. bright, powerful, but not obtrusive. cant go wrong with it in any setting really.

wat other cymbals from other brands sound like:
Sabian 14” AAX X-Celerator Hi-Hats
Sabian 21” AA Rock Ride
i dont care what brand, but the sabian ones do sound nice!!!

Hats - A Custom Mastersounds, 2002 Sound Edges, Signature Sound Edges
Ride - A. Zildjian Rock Ride, Signature Power Ride

i'm looking for something of a rock crash but i'm also trying to find one with a sizzle effect any have anything for me?

try ordering an AA Rock Crash with some Rivits. you will have to place a custom order at your shop most likely, but they shouldnt charge you extra for it.

could someone please answer my question? i really need some advice

please quote, or restate your question when asking that.

[Stubbsy]

nice thanks Bobby, ur a legend!:D:d

[Ethan.]

hey I am looking for a new cymbal pack $150 range. I have had cymbals that come with my kit for a year and I'm really sick of them. (I don't even have a ride cymbal.) I'm looking at the Meinl MCS pack. I don't have a job and I'm only 14, so money at my age is hard to come by. Does anybody have any Suggestions/Recomendations?

I played the set at my school for a little bit and got spoiled They have a paiste full crash, zildjian new beat hats, and sabian aa medium ride. I really don't like such a light ride though. That 17" paiste crash is sweet though (its also $200 ish at guitar center lol)

Any help would be deeply appreciated. thanks

[Murd_666]

hey I am looking for a new cymbal pack $150 range. I have had cymbals that come with my kit for a year and I'm really sick of them. (I don't even have a ride cymbal.) I'm looking at the Meinl MCS pack. I don't have a job and I'm only 14, so money at my age is hard to come by. Does anybody have any Suggestions/Recomendations?
Try and see if you can get some B8's or save up for B8 Pro/Pro Sonix Line....Also Look into some of the starter cymbals from paiste, I would recommend the 802 or 502 line but i think they discontinued them...also look into meinl....

Also I'm looking for a Ride that has a controllable overtones, something with a Bright cutting Bell, with a bow that is also crashable, but when crash it has more of a darker feel, I was thinking maybe an HHX Evolution but i wanted to get some input first. It doesn't really matter what the size/whieght is although i play mostly metal but i will almost any cymbal for anything and every thing....

[Retarded Chipple]

Hey, I play in punk/pop-punk band that at the moment plays small, quiet gigs of around 100-200 people. I need fairly cheap ride cymbal. I was looking at the Paiste Alpha power ride. Would this be ok? Any other suggestions, prefably Paiste but I will settle for any other make. I'll probably be buying from http://adcdrums.co.uk

[bobby__johnny]

Also I'm looking for a Ride that has a controllable overtones, something with a Bright cutting Bell, with a bow that is also crashable, but when crash it has more of a darker feel, I was thinking maybe an HHX Evolution but i wanted to get some input first. It doesn't really matter what the size/whieght is although i play mostly metal but i will almost any cymbal for anything and every thing....

i'd say the HHX Stage ride is the way to go...maybe a Hand Hammered Medium-Heavy Ride.

Hey, I play in punk/pop-punk band that at the moment plays small, quiet gigs of around 100-200 people. I need fairly cheap ride cymbal. I was looking at the Paiste Alpha power ride. Would this be ok? Any other suggestions, prefably Paiste but I will settle for any other make. I'll probably be buying from

sounds like a good choice to me.

[Retarded Chipple]

What do you guys think about:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10174&item=7317363670&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Paiste Power ride 2002. Is it worth it?

[Murd_666]

i'd say the HHX Stage ride is the way to go...maybe a Hand Hammered Medium-Heavy Ride.
I've actually tried the HHX stage ride and didn't like but i'm gonna trust ur say on the HH Medium-heavy, after all u were right on them AA splashes....

[bobby__johnny]

i'm always right ;)

What do you guys think about:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10174&item=7317363670&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Paiste Power ride 2002. Is it worth it?

looks ok to me. ask more for pictures though. underside, closeup on bell etc..

[zildjian1992]

I want a crash (prefferably Zildjian, that has great crash, isnt too loud, but not really quiet. :( :(

[Seafroggys]

I want a crash (prefferably Zildjian, that has great crash, isnt too loud, but not really quiet. :( :(

Avedis Medium-THin, something like 16-18"

[King]

would you recommend an A Earth Ride for rock and metal playing? because i love the cymbal and am planning to buy it. if they still make them...

hello?

[groomits]

the soundclips of the new artisan ride are now on www.sabian.com

I must say it sound pretty good, very quiet and jazzy. I like it. I don't remember on wich of the 4 cymbals, but on one, the bell sound really crappy.

[bobby__johnny]

would you recommend an A Earth Ride for rock and metal playing? because i love the cymbal and am planning to buy it. if they still make them...

yes, but i would suggest the A Rock Ride more. higher cut than the earth ride.

[Chippy569]

BOBBY. god ****. i'm KILLING to find the hi hat sound from this e-kit in this video:
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333950

i am NUTS over that open sound!

if you had to guess hats that were close, what would you say?

[King]

k thnx

[bobby__johnny]

if you had to guess hats that were close, what would you say?

hmm, well, its a Roland kit, and that would lead me to beleive that all sampled sounds are Sabian cymbals, and judging the tightness of that closed sound they arent your average pair. heres a few models that i can think of, and maybe try em yourself.

AA Fusion Hats, Flat Hats, Sizzle Hats
HHX Power Hats
AAX Fast hats, Fusion Hats
Hand Hammered Fusion Hats, EQ Hats

although, they are fairly bright sounding, so you can probably rule out the HHX and Hand Hammered Models.

[Chippy569]

fusion hats, i'll check those, thanks :D

[bobby__johnny]

really though, that could be ANY fast, tight sounding hat.

or it could have not been a direct sample, and a purely man made digi-sound.

basically, what i'm trying to say, is if you want to find a sound like it, try any and all small, vented or edged hi-hats.

[Plan B.]

Try some A Quick Beats too.

[Murd_666]

Does anyone know about the HH Feirce crashs, and are they ralated to the sig jojo mayer feirce crashes?

[Epiphender]

I like the Sabian Pro 20" ride a lot, but it sounds pretty quiet to me. Could someone suggest something that has a similar tone but can cut through? The Leopard ride sounds ideal on the website but I need something less expensive. It doesn't have to be Sabian.

[Ethan.]

I have been looking for a kit of cymbals; but I have decided to just buy them individually because I can get better quality like that. I know I want the Paiste Sound Edge Hats, But I'm not sure of what ride I want. I like the sound of the HHX Groove ride. Does anybody have any cymbals that sound like it? I am not very good at describing sounds of cymbals... but I think it sounds dry. kind of washy too. does anybody know of any others? I don't even know about a crash yet.

[Collis]

OK I have only been playing the drums for about 3 or 4 months now, and I am in desperate need of a ride. I have about £120 to spend, I don't really know the exact sound (As I'm a noob), but at the minute I am learning things from Led Zep through To Red Hot Chili Peppers and obviously I would like a ride to suite these styles.

Cheers.

[punkrocker2o1]

ok i ffound the cymbal dunno the sound
Avedis classic series 14" new beat hats 16" crash 20" ride 10"splash

[italic zero]

What would you recommend for a very fat, but still articulate, hi-hat for a wide variety of music?

[spiritII]

What would you recommend for a very fat, but still articulate, hi-hat for a wide variety of music?

To be honest, I wouldn't make any purchases by what I say, but I think that the 13" HHX Evolution hats may suit you. As ever, try before buy.

[redhotslipknot]

K/Z and A/Z hats any ideas what styles of music they would suit?

[redhotslipknot]

Oh and if anybodys played them how are they?

[rockindrummer]

Hey I'm looking into buying a new ride within a couple of weeks and I can't go into the store to check out rides because it's very far away. So I was wondering what you guys thought of the K custom ride and the A medium ride, and which one of the two would be better for rock/prog music but still have the ability (s.p.) for other types of music.

[chris66]

I bought a new 17" Vault crash a few weeks ago, and want to get another crash that would go along good with it. Right now my only other crash is a 16" XS20 Rock crash which i want to replace with a AA/AAX crash soon. What 16" crash from AA/AAX would sound good with the Vault. I play mostly Alternative Hard Rock stuff. I would prefer a crash with a higher pitch that cuts out pretty fast, but still be loud.

PS. I'm not a brand whore, Sabians are just cheaper here in Canada :thumb:

[bobby__johnny]

Does anyone know about the HH Feirce crashs, and are they ralated to the sig jojo mayer feirce crashes?

they sould have a similar tone. i'd say the Sig model would be a tad brighter, and the HH model would be a bit more complex sounding.

I like the Sabian Pro 20" ride a lot, but it sounds pretty quiet to me. If not, could someone suggest something that has a similar tone but can cut through? The Leopard ride sounds ideal on the website but I need something less expensive. It doesn't have to be Sabian.

you could try the PRO Rock Ride. it have more ping, but it would certainly be louder.

OK I have only been playing the drums for about 3 or 4 months now, and I am in desperate need of a ride. I have about £120 to spend, I don't really know the exact sound (As I'm a noob), but at the minute I am learning things from Led Zep through To Red Hot Chili Peppers and obviously I would like a ride to suite these styles.

ry the AA Rock ride, or Medium-heavy Ride

What would you recommend for a very fat, but still articulate, hi-hat for a wide variety of music?

HHX Groove hats

K/Z and A/Z hats any ideas what styles of music they would suit?

any style where you needed to Project the Hats more.

So I was wondering what you guys thought of the K custom ride and the A medium ride, and which one of the two would be better for rock/prog music but still have the ability (s.p.) for other types of music.

i say check out the A. Medium Ride. the bright tonality would be suitable for rock oriented music, but its versatile enough to be used in just about any style. basically, its gonna be the most versatile ride ever in my books.

Right now my only other crash is a 16" XS20 Rock crash which i want to replace with a AA/AAX crash soon. What 16" crash from AA/AAX would sound good with the Vault. I play mostly Alternative Hard Rock stuff. I would prefer a crash with a higher pitch that cuts out pretty fast, but still be loud.

AA Medium Crash.

wow....that was a long post.

[Drum Phil]

Right-o, Im after some new crashes, they have to be a 16" and a 19", dont ask why. I need them to be affordable (around the £100 each mark) and a nice "crashy" tone. Ive tried pearl and stagg ones before, the pearl were too dull and the stagg was too trashy, so something in between would be nice. I quite like the sound of Pro Sonix ones so something along those lines would be nice.

Im also looking for a 22" ride. Looking to spend around £200 on this. Needs to be pingy with very little over tone. These cymbals will be used in punk and possibly ska music.

kthxbye :thumb:

[Murd_666]

what kind of currancy. If it's canadian save up a bit more and get an AA 16" Medium/Rock crash, an 19" AA metal-x/AAX Metal Crash, for the 22" Ride look into an AA heavy ride or an AAX Metal Ride. I won't really matter if ther is to much ping cause the guitars would probbaly drown it out, or if you want some thing now the XS20 Rock crashes and Pro Rock crashes are pretty nice sounding. keep the ride though its only 10 dollars over...

[bobby__johnny]

umm...he gave currency. GBP

anyways, the Pro/Sonix Line is your best bet to be looking at

snag up some PRO Stage Crashes, and the PRO Ride and your laughing.

[legolandrum]

I need a good china cymboll that has a realy sharp ring...any ideas/suggestions?

[bobby__johnny]

check the B8 or ZXT lines. they're quite bright, and wont break the bank.

maybe a 14" or 16"

[Dave*Grohl]

What would be a good ride? A little bit of wash but still some ping! Sabian AA Rock ride, Sabian AA Med. Heavy Ride??

[Drum Phil]

I only need the 19" crash now, its got to compliment a 15" sonix crash though. Are Z custom Power rides any good?

[legolandrum]

What would be a good ride? A little bit of wash but still some ping! Sabian AA Rock ride, Sabian AA Med. Heavy Ride??


Go for the Paiste 502...awsome cymbol

[bobby__johnny]

^^^

eh? hes lookin at AA's, why would he want 502s?

get the Medium-Heavy or Heavy Ride.

[Epiphender]

Which of these 20" AAs is loudest, the medium ride, tight ride, or heavy ride?

[TTTSNB]

Which of these 20" AAs is loudest, the medium ride, tight ride, or heavy ride?
The heavy one. Heavier cymbals are generally louder.

[Seafroggys]

22" would be even louder.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

I only need the 19" crash now, its got to compliment a 15" sonix crash though. Are Z custom Power rides any good?

well, if you play in a hard rock/metal band and have to cut through walls of guitars and want a huge ride sound, then I'd say its for you. persoannly i'd say look at some alternatives like A rock rides and A custom projection rides

[Drum Phil]

I play in a punk band which uses a lot of effects on the guitars, so my ride never cuts through. On some live recordings my hats havent even come through! So yeah, im gonna go up to a drum centre and try some of the suggested rides.

Cheers

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

hmm, well if your in a punk rock band I'd take a look at the ping ride as well. I have a 20" and man the crash on that thing is ****in loud!

[Drum Phil]

Crash? I dont want much overtone.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

well then deffianly consider a rock model. I assumed you were looking for a crashable ride, nevermind.

[Dave*Grohl]

Would a Avedis 20" Regular Ping ride be good for playing punk and other loud music?? And i have new beats and was thinking of buying avedis 17 & 18 medium crashes, they any good?

[Dave*Grohl]

Will Paiste 2002 series fit for punk and will they mix with zildjian avedis new beat hihats??

[bobby__johnny]

they should. both are bright sounding.

[spiritII]

Will Paiste 2002 series fit for punk and will they mix with zildjian avedis new beat hihats??

Your namesake saw no problems with it when he was on tour with QOTSA, so I think it'll be fine.

[Epiphender]

22" would be even louder.

That costs more though. When you change ride sizes, is it mostly volume thats affected?

[bobby__johnny]

no way man. overall everything is changed. it would sound fuller, warmer, and pingier than its smaller sibiling.

[rockindrummer]

i say check out the A. Medium Ride. the bright tonality would be suitable for rock oriented music, but its versatile enough to be used in just about any style. basically, its gonna be the most versatile ride ever in my books.


Thanks man i'll be looking into it very soon. Well now i've found another the A custom ping ride.(Between the A medium ride and the A custom Ping ride) Which is again more versitile but still a great ride for rock music? Thanks for all the help you guys

P.S. Both cymbals are 20"

[GhostDrummer519]

I'm looking for a splash thats got a nice, mid piched sound... good quality, but affordable. Lookin' for one that would go good in a Alternative Rock Style(sound).

[Chippy569]

i thought 22" cymbals were washier, and 20" were pingier?

[Epiphender]

I thought heavier were pingier and smaller cymbals were faster. I guess rides aren't really fast though.

[BradDawg]

right now I have 14" AAXstage Hats, 22" Paragon Ride, 18" Vault Crash, and i am looking for another crash, what would would fit in with these
eventually i want 4 crashes so i was thinking the 17" and 19" models of the AAXplosion crash
any thoughts?
thanks brad

[bobby__johnny]

i thought 22" cymbals were washier, and 20" were pingier?

nope. more metal content = more defined.

right now I have 14" AAXstage Hats, 22" Paragon Ride, 18" Vault Crash, and i am looking for another crash, what would would fit in with these
eventually i want 4 crashes so i was thinking the 17" and 19" models of the AAXplosion crash
any thoughts?
thanks brad

i always advise against these Xplosion Crashes. look into the Stage Crashes first.

[GhostDrummer519]

Lookin' for a Splash cymbol... Nothing perfect, just good sound. Medium piched

[Seafroggys]

Wuhan 12" Splash. Heh.

[Epiphender]

i always advise against these Xplosion Crashes.

Why?

[bobby__johnny]

the sound like a punch in the face...not very pleasent.

[rockindrummer]

Thanks man i'll be looking into it very soon. Well now i've found another the A custom ping ride.(Between the A medium ride and the A custom Ping ride) Which is again more versitile but still a great ride for rock music? Thanks for all the help you guys

P.S. Both cymbals are 20"


HELLO?

[bobby__johnny]

A. Medium. nothing will top the versatility of that ride.

[rockindrummer]

Sweet, thanks man i'll be sure to follow through with checking that ride out thoroughly.

[Japan3gro]

i play funk/metal looking for good cymbals in the line of paiste.

[bobby__johnny]

i'd say Sig Full Crashes, 2002 Sound Edges, and a Sig Full ride if you can afford it.

[BrekelmansInAbsentia]

I play hard, so i need thick cymbals. I want cymbals of all shapes and sizes. but for now im looking for a rock ride, two crashes, and maybe a china. i know sabian or paiste is the way to go, but any specific cymbals i should consider?

[brian996]

Hey
My b-day is coming up pretty soon here and I would like to upgrade my ride ( from a B8 Pro). My current cymbal line-up, minus the B8 Pro ride, is:
14" Sabian Paragon Hats
16" Sabian El Sabor Crash
12" Wuhan Splash
17" Sabian Vault Crash
and 12" Wuhan China

I play mainly classic rock but I would like a somewhat versatile cymbal. I also like loud, cutting bells. So, what is a good ride for me? Oh, no real price restrictions unless it is like a $400 K Constantinoble and I don't care what brand as long as it can be found at guitar center.

[bobby__johnny]

the K Heavy Ride is a good one to look into....or on the brighter end, maybe an AA Medium-heavy ride,

[brian996]

Will do. Thanks!

[Seafroggys]

Hey
My b-day is coming up pretty soon here and I would like to upgrade my ride ( from a B8 Pro). My current cymbal line-up, minus the B8 Pro ride, is:
14" Sabian Paragon Hats
16" Sabian El Sabor Crash
12" Wuhan Splash
17" Sabian Vault Crash
and 12" Wuhan China

I play mainly classic rock but I would like a somewhat versatile cymbal. I also like loud, cutting bells. So, what is a good ride for me? Oh, no real price restrictions unless it is like a $400 K Constantinoble and I don't care what brand as long as it can be found at guitar center.

Classic Rock? Heh, any Zildjian As, Sabian AAs, or Paiste 2002 rides should work.

[an_original_name]

I play hard, so i need thick cymbals. I want cymbals of all shapes and sizes. but for now im looking for a rock ride, two crashes, and maybe a china. i know sabian or paiste is the way to go, but any specific cymbals i should consider?

maybe check out some medium wieght or heavier sabian AA's or zildjian A's. they would work quite well.

[shadow_stalker]

Quick question on what cymbal you guys think would be a useful thing to get next.

I have...
16" crash (sabian pro)
18" crash (paiste 502)
20" ride (stagg)
10" splash (stagg)
16" china (zildjin zbt)
and 14" hats (sabian B8)

basically i was either thinking of a second pair of hats or maybe a 15" crash, Failing that i could upgrade my cymbals as some of them arent very good (china is ZBT, although that doesnt matter as i dont really use it as much as others), if i did upgrade i was thinking along the lines of sabian AA and AAX.

Or i could get a second floor tom (either 14 or 18")

[bobby__johnny]

new hats for sure.

[shadow_stalker]

Ok ill truse your judgement...

If i am going to get new hats i might aswell get them in a pack of 3 with a new crash and ride, kill 3 birds with one stone.

[bobby__johnny]

that would be a good idea, but your better off buying them seperate.

[poppinfresh]

i found a 18 in rude china for 80 dollars that i was thinking of going for, does anyone know how these sound?

[shadow_stalker]

that would be a good idea, but your better off buying them seperate.

why? i save money if i buy them all together

[Der Meister]

say you bought the stage pack. You get stage crash/hats/ride. You might not like the stage crash as much as the rock crash and then you'll be wanting to upgrade and costing yourself more money. Unless you like all 3 in the pack the best in which case gte it.

[Futuro]

as of now i own 1 crash its a 18 inch full crash, and the shops around me do not carry any cymbal bigger than that in size unless ordered. i would like to know if i should go with the 18 power crash or have them order the 19 inch full crash.

also what sound charecteristics differ from 19 full to 18 inch power?

thanks alot

[joemarsh]

as of now i own 1 crash its a 18 inch full crash, and the shops around me do not carry any cymbal bigger than that in size unless ordered. i would like to know if i should go with the 18 power crash or have them order the 19 inch full crash.

also what sound charecteristics differ from 19 full to 18 inch power?

thanks alot
ID GO WITH A WUHAN DOGGG!

[Futuro]

ID GO WITH A WUHAN DOGGG!


is this a joke cause i didnt laugh and whats wuhan have to do with crash cymbals

[boss]

wuhan has crash cymbals

[zildjian1992]

Could any one here describe the sound of an old Z light Power Ride? :p

[spiritII]

wuhan has crash cymbals

Ok, so he should have rephrased it. What does Wuhan have to do with Paiste cymbals? Answer: nothing.

[Murd_666]

They May not have anything to do with paiste but they still have the Wuhan Rock Crashes, It wouldn't blend well I think..., anyways I think the 19 or 20" Full/Power Crash should do it for ya....

[Futuro]

the only thing i like in the wuhan line are splashes and chinas. have you played the 19 inch full and 18 power murd?

[Murd_666]

ya but I like the 20" ones I'd go with a 20"... but try 18" power anyways it should work, actually It would work for u, but be pretty loud...

[GreenDay4Life]

Did anyone know you pronounce Paste, Past-ee.

[bobby__johnny]

why? i save money if i buy them all together

true, but your playing roulette with sound. better to be safe and get them seperate. your only saving about 10%

also what sound charecteristics differ from 19 full to 18 inch power?


he 19" Full would be generally lower pitched than the 18" Power...which would be brighter, sharper, and more cutting.

Did anyone know you pronounce Paste, Past-ee.

actually, its "pie-stee"

[Epiphender]

If I find a used Sabian AA raw ride for $130 Canadian, should I buy it? I've tried it out so I know I like the sound.

Can someone describe to me what to look for when checking it over? I've never seen cymbal cracks so I'm not sure if they're nearly invisible sometimes or what.

[sublimeisnice]

as of now i own 1 crash its a 18 inch full crash, and the shops around me do not carry any cymbal bigger than that in size unless ordered. i would like to know if i should go with the 18 power crash or have them order the 19 inch full crash.

also what sound charecteristics differ from 19 full to 18 inch power?

thanks alot


in this case id go with the 18" power...they will amtch up fine, i think having the same cymbal 1" is a little wasteful...however you could try to get your hands on a 16" full crash, i dont think they make 20's...or what i would do is sell the 18" on ebay, and goto the store and get the 17" and 19 " full crash. i really like odd sizes for some reason.

[Matter]

Sorry fellaz but again the Paiste Dimensions power crashes ownz the Paiste Signature power crashes. I had an 18'' Paiste full crash for awhile but it didn't cut through the music like I wanted and it was one of the only cymbals I've ever cracked.

[shadow_stalker]

say you bought the stage pack. You get stage crash/hats/ride. You might not like the stage crash as much as the rock crash and then you'll be wanting to upgrade and costing yourself more money. Unless you like all 3 in the pack the best in which case gte it.

hmm i'll try before i buy just to make sure.

[chuckdrums]

I'm looking for a new crash cymbal thats not to over powering, not alot of sestain, strong, and cheap.

[TTTSNB]

I'm looking for a new crash cymbal thats not to over powering, not alot of sestain, strong, and cheap.
hmm. 16" Pro Crash?

[LarsAgi007]

What's a more versatile, controllable ride, 21" A Rock, or 22" A Ping? It needs to be useful in a variety of settings, but be strong enough to be heard over 2 guitars and a bass in a live setting.

I have a Sabian AAA, Its a really controllable ride, Does a great job.. Not too expensive either :D

(Word of warning: Dont drop it, It really deafens you lol)

[Der Meister]

12-24-2004, 04:16 AM

I think he's decided since then

[Futuro]

Sorry fellaz but again the Paiste Dimensions power crashes ownz the Paiste Signature power crashes. I had an 18'' Paiste full crash for awhile but it didn't cut through the music like I wanted and it was one of the only cymbals I've ever cracked.

ive also noticed the 18 full doesnt cut like other cymbals do, but i love the sound and now im looking to buy one that will cut through.so would a dimensions power be a better match than the signature power?

and im not a real heavy hitter (i dont tap them either) but the only cymbal ive cracked in my four years (big woop) has been a zildjian A custom.

[Murd_666]

in this case id go with the 18" power...they will amtch up fine, i think having the same cymbal 1" is a little wasteful...however you could try to get your hands on a 16" full crash, i dont think they make 20's...or what i would do is sell the 18" on ebay, and goto the store and get the 17" and 19 " full crash. i really like odd sizes for some reason.I know for a fact u can get a 20" sig full crash

[bobby__johnny]

you can get any sized Full Crash you want....you'll pay your *** for it though.

[Futuro]

so what about the dimensions 18 inch power, and the 18 sig power?
im not gonna go with another cymbal in full line cause i want something to cut through 2 guitars a bass and singer. but also sound in compliance with the 18 full.

sorry you guys for how many posts i have in the last few days on here, but cymbals are big investments

[boss]

I have 14" XS20 rock hats and a 20" XS20 rock ride
I can update the hats to 14" AAX stage hats ($210 cdn) or to a 21" HH Raw bell dry ride ($255 cdn)

Which is the better buy/upgrade?

[Epiphender]

I have 14" XS20 rock hats and a 20" XS20 rock ride
I can update the hats to 14" AAX stage hats ($210 cdn) or to a 21" HH Raw bell dry ride ($255 cdn)

Which is the better buy/upgrade?

Unless the ride upgrade is quite a bit cheaper than the hat upgrade, I'd get the new hats first because I use them a lot more.

I play B8s except for my AAX crash. I would upgrade hats first, but I found a $130 used AA raw ride. Should I buy it?

[bobby__johnny]

I have 14" XS20 rock hats and a 20" XS20 rock ride
I can update the hats to 14" AAX stage hats ($210 cdn) or to a 21" HH Raw bell dry ride ($255 cdn)

Which is the better buy/upgrade?

i'd say go for the ride. i've played some XS20 hats that were more than good sounding. the rides arent too great, and the crashes are hit or miss....go with the ride first.

I play B8s except for my AAX crash. I would upgrade hats first, but I found a $130 used AA raw ride. Should I buy it?

if you like the sound, and its in good condition, then yes.

*** Post # 8,000 ***

[Futuro]

i went to a local shop yesterday to check out the dimension line when i was informed that it is no more, they replaced it with the big beat series. any other recommendations for a powerful crash that will blend well with 18 inch full .

it does not have to be a paiste any brand would be ok.

[Dave*Grohl]

i went to a local shop yesterday to check out the dimension line when i was informed that it is no more, they replaced it with the big beat series. any other recommendations for a powerful crash that will blend well with 18 inch full .

it does not have to be a paiste any brand would be ok.


Paiste 2002

[Futuro]

ya i checked one out yesterday and really liked it it was a 2002 18 inch power crash but i didnt have my crash im going to pair it with at the time, so ill have to check it out tonight

[bobby__johnny]

yeah, the 2002 power is a good one to look into....a sig power crash if you can afford it though.

[Futuro]

i got to play the 18 inch dimension power crash i wasnt a big fan of it and the signature 18 inch full went so well with 18 inch power signature that i had to get it.

i didnt get the one at the store though but most paistes are very consistent so i dont mind mail ordering it

[Dave*Grohl]

Help, Paiste 2002 17" Medium crash, Zildjian Avedis 17" medium crash or Sabian AA 17" medium crash?

[chuckdrums]

my crash just cracked so i need to get a new. i'm on a budget. i like to play metal. i like the paiste rude series but there out of my price range. plz help

[chuckdrums]

my crash just cracked so i need to get a new. i'm on a budget. i like to play metal. i like the paiste rude series but there out of my price range. plz help
o yea and i forgot to say it has to be durable

[bobby__johnny]

look into the Alpha Power Crash.

[Mr. Jiggy Fly]

Okay, I want an agressive metal (music)-type sound. Needs to cut through live. Also, I play pretty hard, so it needs to be strong. I was thinking Sabian AA Metal-X. Will these work for what I'm looking for?

[Futuro]

Help, Paiste 2002 17" Medium crash, Zildjian Avedis 17" medium crash or Sabian AA 17" medium crash?
i tried the 2002 recently and its a cool line of cymbals very "early rock" sounding.

but if i were you id go with the sabian or the paiste (i dont like the A ZILDJIAN line of cymbals)

[Dave*Grohl]

Okay, would you think that a Sabian AAX metal crash would fit punk music?

[Futuro]

i think so but im not a sabian guru so you should definetly check it out or wait for somebody more educated in the sabian line to help

[chuckdrums]

my crash just cracked so i need to get a new. i'm on a budget. i like to play metal. i like the paiste rude series but there out of my price range. plz help
cymbal needs to be durable and $100 or under

[Der Meister]

Okay, would you think that a Sabian AAX metal crash would fit punk music?

it would fit for punk, but it's not very versistile.

[westy_uk]

I WANT A SABIAN 18" CRASH, EITHER AA / AAX / HH / HHX BRILLIANT FINISH. Anyone got one for sale??????????????

Thanks

Nick

[Dave*Grohl]

If the AAX Metal crash will fint but wont be verstatile will the Stage Crash be better? Whats the weight? I would use it as my main crash and wouldnt really like it to crack! thanks for the help!

[bobby__johnny]

I WANT A SABIAN 18" CRASH, EITHER AA / AAX / HH / HHX BRILLIANT FINISH. Anyone got one for sale??????????????

Thanks

Nick

no ads in my thread :smash:

If the AAX Metal crash will fint but wont be verstatile will the Stage Crash be better? Whats the weight? I would use it as my main crash and wouldnt really like it to crack! thanks for the help!

the Stage is a Medium-thin, the Metal is a Medium-heavy

grab an AA Medium Crash and get the best of both worlds.

[Seafroggys]

AA Medium crashes are the sex. My 18" is perfect rock crash....its plenty heavy. I don't understand why people would want medium-heavies or rock weights.

[yourstruly]

I really want a second crash, and I was thinking a 19 inch sabian
aax explosion, I play like punkpop/rock/metal and stuff like that, I was
wondering if this is a good choice

[IrritantDrummer666]

Recently I have been looking onto adding a few cymbals to my drum set. Currently I have 8 Zildjian cymbals and 2 CB cymabls (The CBs came with my first set, I like them because they sound like small chinas) Anyways I have found a cymbal brand entitled Wuhan and I was interested in them. 2 crashs (16' and 18') and a china (18') for 99.00. I first thought they may sound like **** but after reading a few reviews I read that they are best for the metal/black metal scene which is perfect because I play that style of music. So anyways I was going to get the following:
CYMBAL PACK 1-99.99
-16' Crash
-18' Crash
-18' China

CYMBAL PACK 2-99.99
-17' Crash
-19' China
-20' China

CYMBAL PACK 3-64.99
-09' Splash
-12' Splash

So I will have a combination of Zildjian ZBT/ZXT and Wuhan, what do you think? I am only 14 and I can't really spend alot of money on Zildjian crash packs because like two crashs are what around 300.00, when I can get 8 cymbals for 276.00 with taX (Not counting the stands)

[Dave*Grohl]

Why would you need 3 Chinas?

[Murd_666]

I really want a second crash, and I was thinking a 19 inch sabian
aax explosion, I play like punkpop/rock/metal and stuff like that, I was
wondering if this is a good choiceIt's an okay carsh but wouldn't recommend it for a mian crash, more like an accent cymbal cause it is very punchy.Recently I have been looking onto adding a few cymbals to my drum set. Currently I have 8 Zildjian cymbals and 2 CB cymabls (The CBs came with my first set, I like them because they sound like small chinas) Anyways I have found a cymbal brand entitled Wuhan and I was interested in them. 2 crashs (16' and 18') and a china (18') for 99.00. I first thought they may sound like **** but after reading a few reviews I read that they are best for the metal/black metal scene which is perfect because I play that style of music. So anyways I was going to get the following:
CYMBAL PACK 1-99.99
-16' Crash
-18' Crash
-18' China

CYMBAL PACK 2-99.99
-17' Crash
-19' China
-20' China

CYMBAL PACK 3-64.99
-09' Splash
-12' Splash

So I will have a combination of Zildjian ZBT/ZXT and Wuhan, what do you think? I am only 14 and I can't really spend alot of money on Zildjian crash packs because like two crashs are what around 300.00, when I can get 8 cymbals for 276.00 with taX (Not counting the stands)The Wuhans would probably be out of place with the zxt's/zbt's cause wuhans are way better but defenitly go wit them....Why would you need 3 Chinas?so you have more than one sound other than just one....

[flast]

i want something that has a light kindof fading away sound to hit so you can do rolls on it and it will sound good

John :smoke:

[bobby__johnny]

Why would you need 3 Chinas?

the question is why wouldnt he want 3 chinas?

i want something that has a light kindof fading away sound to hit so you can do rolls on it and it will sound good

ok....now...what Kind of cymbal?

[spiritII]

Alrighty, I've come to ask a question. Now, I realise that the decision is entirely mine, but I wouldn't mind a little guidance. I'm planning on getting a crash cymbal. My primary crash actually, as I don't have one yet. My current setup is 14" A Mastersound hats and 21" Raw Bell Dry Ride. I've narrowed it down to three crashes, having tried them out a bit in my local dum shop. They are:
Sabian 18" HHX Evolution Crash
Sabian 18" Vault Crash
Paiste 18" Signature Full Crash
I'm currently leaning towards the Sabians, particularly the HHX, because although I like the Paiste, they're more consistant than the Sabians, so even if by the time I have the cash it's gone, I can order one in, confident it'll sound almost identical. I'm leaning towards the HHX particularly because I like the lower pitch crash sound, as it'll speak quickly and then fade and blend into the music. However, I need to think about the band I'm playing in too. I play in essentially and indie band, influenced from all over, but particularly by new British indie (Bloc Party, The Rakes et al) and so I'm thinking the Vault may cut more in the band situation.

Now you've read my essay, what do you say? Which would you recommend?

[bobby__johnny]

none of the above. if you like the lower tones, and are playing (i'm assuming) some higher energy stuff, look into the 17" HHX Stage Crash. it will be warm, but should have some cut too.

[Strong Drummer]

Whats the best cymbal package (14" hats, crash, ride) I can get with a budget of around $300 or less.

Thx.

[spiritII]

none of the above. if you like the lower tones, and are playing (i'm assuming) some higher energy stuff, look into the 17" HHX Stage Crash. it will be warm, but should have some cut too.

Actually, there was an HHX Stage. I didn't like it much to be honest. But I'll be going back. I'll give it a bit more attention next time.

[bobby__johnny]

maybe just try a different one. the HH/HHX cymbals change can drastically from cymbal to cymbal

[sublimeisnice]

Whats the best cymbal package (14" hats, crash, ride) I can get with a budget of around $300 or less.

Thx.

If you already have a set of cymbals and are trying to replace bad ones i say take your 300 and buy an amazing pair of hi hats...if you ahve any money left over put that towards saving up for and amazing ride, and then crash.....however if your getting cymbals for the first time....i have no idea, i only ever had Pulse percussion, but maybe you could get paiste 802's for that much?

Actually, there was an HHX Stage. I didn't like it much to be honest. But I'll be going back. I'll give it a bit more attention next time.

have you tried out any 18"aax dark crashes...?



Also I have a question for myself.

I'm thinking of changing my cymbal set-up a bit. right now its


8"k custom splash
12" wuhan china(of course who doesnt have one)
13" paiste sig dark hats
16" k custom splash
18" aax dark crash
19" A custom crash
21" raw dry ride
22" aax metal ride

ok heres the deal. im very happy with my rides, they are so polar opposite and yet they dont clash so they are perfect. i love my hi hats and my china and my splash(though i d like to get more splashes, id like to have 3 ) the only thing i have a psuedo "problem" with are my crashes. I mean i love them all and they all sound great. BUT , the a custom doesnt sound great with the dry ride, and it doesnt sound great with the other crashes, and yet i still think i like that crash the most. SO in short, im thinking of changing my crash cymbal set up and i know that i should just goto the store and check em all out, but i wouldnt be able to do that for a while, and i wouldnt even buy anything for a while so im just looking for opinions and suggestions...what three crashes would you buy to match my other cymbals>?

[spiritII]

maybe just try a different one. the HH/HHX cymbals change can drastically from cymbal to cymbal

Try a different one? Are you under the impression that my local drum shop stocks more than one of the same size of cymbal? In fact, you'd be mistaken to think that it stocks more than one of any given kind of cymbal (by "kind", I mean, for example, AAX Dark Crash, A Medium etc.). The most of any one "kind" of cymbal I've seen is 3 Vault crashes, and that was about 2 weeks ago because they just came out. Two are now gone.

have you tried out any 18"aax dark crashes...?

Perhaps I didn't make it clear. I have tried every crash cymbal in my (one and only) local drum shop. The next nearest drum shop would involve going to Glasgow, and it's just a different branch of the same shop. The next nearest one is probably in Newcastle. Technically, I'd be going to a whole other country. I have essentially narrowed down to 2 crashes I like. I was asking for anyones opinion as to which may suit my chosen style of music better. If all anyone's going to do is suggest other symbals, I'll thank you for reading, and ask you to help someone else instead. I don't mean to sound like a jackass, but there's a reason I asked about those cymbals specifically.

[sublimeisnice]

You didnt make it clear, all you said was you narrowed it down to those three, you didnt say that you shop was terrible and there was no other, or that you were not open to anymore suggestions, usually people are open to more suggestions. But regardless of that, out of those three i have no real in depth expierence i only played them momentarily so I am of no use. Of what i do remember id personally pick the paiste full crash if you got the money for it and if not go for the vault.

[spiritII]

You didnt make it clear, all you said was you narrowed it down to those three, you didnt say that you shop was terrible and there was no other, or that you were not open to anymore suggestions, usually people are open to more suggestions. But regardless of that, out of those three i have no real in depth expierence i only played them momentarily so I am of no use. Of what i do remember id personally pick the paiste full crash if you got the money for it and if not go for the vault.

Aw man, I read it back, and I sound like an ***. And it's not that the shop's terrible, it's just that what's on display is what they have. They have about 20 Zildjians, 25 Sabians and a smattering of Paistes and Staggs, but that's it. They can order in, but as cymbals are fickle instruments, it may not sound like I want. So, I picked the ones I liked best, and am looking for a little guidance. If no one can really help, then that's allright, I just wondered if anyone could.

Also, it's not that I'm not open to suggestions, but anything you suggest will either:
a - not be there or
b - have already been rejected

I'll most likely play them all again, just to make sure, but it's mainly between those 2 Sabians. I've ruled out the Paiste for now because they are consistant, and I can get one of them in and be sure it'll sound good.

[Futuro]

this isnt a question, but i had a chance to meet a local drummer with a 602 super ride 20 inch, it was amazing!!!!! after the gig i had a chance to play a little thing on it. then easily offered two hundred dollars to him for the cymbal not nowing what it was worth. his reply make it 500 and we can have a deal :thumb:

he bought it from a studio pat methany used to record an album, and is the actual cymbal on the album.

now here comes the question, do you know where i can find one of these rides and how much it would cost if it was not used on an album?

[sleepless]

Johnny, I need your Cymbertise again.

Alright, I've nixed the idea of the Studio Crash as it would obviously be too thin for my playing. What can I do for an alternative? I need something dark mind you...

HHX
HH Heavy Ride

[bobby__johnny]

usually Stage and Medium weights are perfectly durable....maybe look into the Hand Hammered Medium Crash...17"+?

[MWDrummer]

Hey, I'm looking for a China Cymbal (Pref Zildjian)

I am looking at the A Custom 18" China or 18" Zildjian Oriental to go with:

20" A Custom Ping Ride
18" Z Custom Crash
16" A Custom Projection Crash
14" A Custom Mastersound Hats
10" A Custom Splash

If anyone has any other suggestions please let me know!

Thanks.

[athemeformurder]

im looking for new cymbals. i play mostly heavy metal and hardcore. i've already decided on buying paiste rude hi hats,but i need a good ride and crash. what cymbals would be good for this type of music?

[bobby__johnny]

Sig Power Crashes if yu can afford it.

[hundurinn]

I'm looking for a decent ride to buy.

I've narroved them down to:

Zildjian A Series Rock Ride
Paiste Alpha Power Ride Cymbal
Paiste PST 5 Rock Ride
Zildjian ZBT Ride

My music style is rock/hard rock.
I'd be glad if you could give me your opinion and maybe give me other suggestions. My price range is from <100-200$

[bobby__johnny]

get the A. Rock Ride....how you could consider the rest with that one there is beyond me though.

[hundurinn]

:D They were just in case I didn't get a job this summer. I just got an answer recently and I got the job so Zildjian A Series Rock Ride is MINE.

[Fabrizzio]

im looking to buy a crash with a nice kinda earthy sound, nothing to overpowering but with enough power to keep the strong effect that the crash cymbal is known for. Something at a mid price range would be good

[bobby__johnny]

hmm...Maybe look into getting a Byzance Crash in th Dark or Dry Finishes.

[Plan B.]

Haven't been here in a while, haha, good to see this mother of a thread is still kicking.

Good recomendations, big or strong dry crashes seem to be what you're looking for.

Possibly and 18" Speicial Dry crash Zildjian. That way you get that earthy sound, but being a larger model it won't be as fast of a crash.

[bobby__johnny]

but the dryness, and the thin model would certainly aid in that fact.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Well... I just released a small crack in my top hi hat, so yeah they are gonan be gone in like a month so I need some sugesstions for new hi hats.

I was looking at A Quick Beats a while ago, I love the crisp sound of them, but I also played on some K hats and absolutly loved them. I'm basicly looking for hats with good stick definition and a good wash sound, also need to cut. Any suggestions are appreciated, doesn't have to be Zildjian, but Paiste are hard to come by around here (have to grive bout an hour to get to a store with a good stock) and are also expensive, and I'll be paying for them myself.

[Fabrizzio]

Ok sounds good, wats the price tag?

[GuerrillaTime]

Well... I just released a small crack in my top hi hat, so yeah they are gonan be gone in like a month so I need some sugesstions for new hi hats.

I just got the Zil A New Beats (14"). They are a great high quality all around sound. So sweet :thumb: (considering they replaced zbt's).

[fullmetalhaallee]

does anyone that listens to the band underoath know what crash the drummer uses that sounds almost like breaking glass?

[Sponer]

A bit ago I asked what you guys recomended as crashes. I think I've decided that my main crashes are going to be Sabian AA's, 17" + 19".
However... I realized that I'd much rather upgrade my B8 ride before any other cymbals since it use my ride far more than I do any other cymbal. And last band practice, I was really hating the sound I was getting from it. Usually I'm fine with it, but for some reason I just hated it. Anyways...

Here's what I'm looknig for:

- loud and clear bell
- clean sound hitting the bow so paterns are easily heard (sorry if that's not the proper name... I mean the part around the bell :))
- can be crashed on and still make a nice sound

thanks!
Oh, and I'd prefer Sabian but I am open to other brands.

[bobby__johnny]

AA medium Ride. you'll get definition, and spread all in one.

[Stubbsy]

Bobby, i have decided what cymbals i am going to slowly add onto my kit.
Here goes,

Zildjian Oriental 16" China Trash
Zildjian 16" A Medium Crash.
Zildjian 21" A Rock or Ping ride.
Zildjian 8" A Splash.
Zildjian 13" or 14" A Mastersound Hi-hats (not sure what size sounds better).
Zildjian 18" A Medium Crash.

Keeping, 8" ZBT Splash (love the sound) and 20" Ride. Going to put a hammer to my ZBT crash, and also keep the hi-hats as second hats over near my floor tom.

What do you and any body else think? :thumb:

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

I just go the Zil A New Beats (14"). They are a great high quality all around sound. So sweet :thumb: (considering they replaced zbt's).

Thanks, I'll be sure to check em out.

[zhong]

sabian alternative for zildjian's 18" K crash/ride?
or any other rides that sounds similar and has a nice crashable wash?

[spiritII]

sabian alternative for zildjian's 18" K crash/ride?
or any other rides that sounds similar and has a nice crashable wash?

Any particular reason you want a Sabain alternative? Why not just get the K?

[Murd_666]

who knows, maybe it's easier to get sabian but the equivilent ok the K would be the HH Crash Ride

[stevoibanez]

I'm looking to replace my Solars. I play metal, rock, punk, emo, screamo, hard rock, etc. I pretty much decided what I want for hats and ride. I just need help for the crashes.
I was thinking : 16" Vault, 17" Vault, 18" Vault, 19" AAXplosion

What do you think of that combination, and would you suggest other cymbals (try to stick with Sabian)

[spiritII]

I'm looking to replace my Solars. I play metal, rock, punk, emo, screamo, hard rock, etc. I pretty much decided what I want for hats and ride. I just need help for the crashes.
I was thinking : 16" Vault, 17" Vault, 18" Vault, 19" AAXplosion

What do you think of that combination, and would you suggest other cymbals (try to stick with Sabian)

You may want to try 18" AA Medium Crash, and I'm pretty sure that Bobby Jonny will tell you to stay away from the Xplosion crash. You also may want to try out an 18" HH Medium Crash. Just a thought though. Absolutely nothing wrong with the Vault series, but just for some more variety.

As ever, always try out cymbals in person.

[stevoibanez]

Ok coll I'll look into those. But why do you say to stay away from the AAXplosion? I've played it during a show and it rox my sox.

[spiritII]

Ok coll I'll look into those. But why do you say to stay away from the AAXplosion? I've played it during a show and it rox my sox.

I said I'm pretty sure Bobby Jonny would say that. He's not a fan of the Xplosion crashes. But hey, if you like it, then by all means. It's ultimately your choice. If you like it, get it!

[bobby__johnny]

Bobby, i have decided what cymbals i am going to slowly add onto my kit.
Here goes,

Zildjian Oriental 16" China Trash
Zildjian 16" A Medium Crash.
Zildjian 21" A Rock or Ping ride.
Zildjian 8" A Splash.
Zildjian 13" or 14" A Mastersound Hi-hats (not sure what size sounds better).
Zildjian 18" A Medium Crash.

Keeping, 8" ZBT Splash (love the sound) and 20" Ride. Going to put a hammer to my ZBT crash, and also keep the hi-hats as second hats over near my floor tom.

What do you and any body else think?

good choices, though instead of taking a hammer to a perfectly fine cymbal, sell it for cash. or if you wanna feel eco-friendly, clean it up, and return it to Zildjian with a note saying to recycle it.

I said I'm pretty sure Bobby Jonny would say that. He's not a fan of the Xplosion crashes.

your **** right i'm not :)

But hey, if you like it, then by all means. It's ultimately your choice. If you like it, get it!

exactly. having said that, look into the AA medium crash ;)

[stevoibanez]

Bobby, may I ask why you're not a fan of the AAXplosions? Bad experience or you just don't like the sound?

[bobby__johnny]

i dont like it. its far too fast. like a punch in the face. not enough Body basically.

[nzrocker]

Hi all, there's a good chance i'll be getting a new crash on Sunday, but basically I don't really know what I want. I'm gonna go and try some out, but what do you think would go well with a 21" A sweet ride? I play a lot of pop/rock and also some classic rock, and i'm only using hi-hats, a ride and a crash so i'm gonna get an 18" or a 17" and i'm probably looking at the A or K range, A customs are a little too shiny and slick sounding for me, I like something with a bit of character and probably medium or thin, not too much high end. I was considering....

Avedis thin crash
Avedis medium thin crash
K dark crash thin
K dark crash medium thin

and maybe an Avedis medium crash but that's probably a little heavy. Suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys.

[Strong Drummer]

i know very little about which hi hats are good or what kind of sounds they give off, but im debating between the zildjian mastersound and new beats.
Which one is the better buy? Is there any other hats i should look into?

[spiritII]

i know very little about which hi hats are good or what kind of sounds they give off, but im debating between the zildjian mastersound and new beats.
Which one is the better buy? Is there any other hats i should look into?

Not many people on here like the Mastersounds, and so, out of those two, you'll get told the New Beats.

However, it may help is if you tell us what you are going to play, what your budget is, if you have any, and what brand loyalties, preferences you have (if any). Additionally, you may wish to describe the kind of sound you're after.

[Strong Drummer]

Im at around a 200 dollar budget and i play mostly rock, but would like to learn how to play other forms of music such as jazz or funk. Im looking for hats that make a solid "chick" sound, but i really have no clue what sounds distinguish what genre of music.

[bobby__johnny]

go with New Beats. they're rather versatile.

Avedis thin crash
Avedis medium thin crash
K dark crash thin
K dark crash medium thin

the A. Zildjian Medium-thin or Medium Crashes are your best bets.

[King]

how is the Wuhan 18" crash? i tested it a bit like a week ago, but i can't REALLY remember how it sounds... good for metal/rock? worth $130? thanks

[BrandLoyalty]

Well first off let me introduce myself. My name is Scott and I've been drumming for about 6 months on my pacific fs birch kit, which I love, and I've been visiting the forums for quite a while but just decided to register. Mainly because I need some help. I have a limited knowledge of cymbals, but am looking to replace my whole setup. Currently I have B8 hats, a avedis rock ride, and a AAX metal crash and I really don't like any of them. My buddy and I are slowly forming our band and I need something that will fit better. The crash is too loud, the hats are just low end, and the ride is way too washy for me. Were going to be playing stuff like Weezer and Say Anything. I don't like genres but pop rock I guess. Also some Dave Matthews stuff mainly because I love Beauford. Anyways I'm looking for 2 crashes, hats, ride and maybe a splash. Thanks a lot for your help.

[flamecue123]

i play classic rock (Led Zep,The Who,Rush) so what kind of cymbals would u guys recomend?