*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[an_original_name]

^^^ the AAX series.

no1bettr, try some zildjian Avedis thin crashes or maybe A custom fast crashes.

[spike9908]

looking for new hats perferabily 14" and paiste

dark sound. compliment to 10" dimensions power splash. up to about $200-$250 USD.

I was thinking about dimensions Med. heavy crunch hats so any info on those would be great

[an_original_name]

spike, the medium heavy crunch hats are suposedly quite dark and rich with a very full sound. if thats what your looking for then go for it. you coul also try the dimentions light hihat. they are quite dark and warm too.

[bobby__johnny]

Im about to start playing with my church band. I need a crash that would sound nicely without hitting it hard. Somewhere along the "thin" lines.

AA and Hand Hammered Extra-Thin Crashes. Perfect for a church setting.

[sugarandstripes]

I'm looking for a crash to complement my Zildjian 18" A medium thin crash. Any suggestions?

[n0strax]

I'm looking to incorporate a china into my set, nothing pricy or fancy just something good to start on, heard a 14" wuhan is good all the way up to 18" zildjians

also maybe a cheap splash to put in just for some fun effects, what do you guys suggest

again nothing real pricy


(and yes, congrats to me... i learned how to use the cymbal finder :) )

[nzrocker]

hey nzrocker, how do you like that avedis zildjian sweet ride, i've been thinkin' of buying one?

I really really like it. I played it in a pop/rock band and it doesn't sound too out of place, but it REALLY shines when you're playing garage rocky stuff. I played it today with a band, think hives-ish music, and i barely needed a crash. Beautiful dark bell tone and a great crash sound for when you need it.

[the_Outnumbered]

do u guys know of any versatile hats for most types of music especially rock, pop, fusion, funk and would not sound out of place when playing jazz? preferably some nice crisps when playing funk and a fairly amount of sizzle when playing jazz.
thanks a lot!

[shadow_stalker]

I would suggest something like Sabian AA, they have a really nice sound.

But try out anykind of cymbal before you buy it incase it isn't the sound for you.


Sabian's site has a soundcheck for their cymbals, it's not brilliant but it gives you a decent idea of how the cymbals sound.

[groomits]

I'm looking to incorporate a china into my set, nothing pricy or fancy just something good to start on, heard a 14" wuhan is good all the way up to 18" zildjians

also maybe a cheap splash to put in just for some fun effects, what do you guys suggest

again nothing real pricy


(and yes, congrats to me... i learned how to use the cymbal finder :) )

buy a wuhan. they're cheap and they sound pretty good. I got 12'' and it sounds like some pro chinas. Its really funky.

And for the splash, you can also look into wuhan.

[bobby__johnny]

I'm looking for a crash to complement my Zildjian 18" A medium thin crash. Any suggestions?

looking at the same model in a 16" would be a good start.

I'm looking to incorporate a china into my set, nothing pricy or fancy just something good to start on, heard a 14" wuhan is good all the way up to 18" zildjians

also maybe a cheap splash to put in just for some fun effects, what do you guys suggest

again nothing real pricy

sabian B8pro Effect Pack. The 18" Chinese is great, and the 10" splash is decent. Failing that, cant go wrong with an 18" or 20" Wuhan, with a Sabian PRO Splash.

do u guys know of any versatile hats for most types of music especially rock, pop, fusion, funk and would not sound out of place when playing jazz? preferably some nice crisps when playing funk and a fairly amount of sizzle when playing jazz.
thanks a lot!

well, the HHX Groove hats seem to be at home in any situation, or on the brighter side, some AA Sizzle hats would be my choice weapon.

[sleepless]

Can I get an opinion on the pairing between some HHX Power Hats and a HH RBD Ride? I'm currently in the process of ordering the ride but I guess it's on back order from wherever and they offered me anything else from any line up to the value I paid and I was curious if anything would suit me better.

[llama123]

^ The two would go brilliantly together.

[bobby__johnny]

well, i think the Power hats are a little too heavy...for me anyway....think of them as dark AA Rock hats.

the Raw-bell dry ride, is actuly somewhat bright. the HH Rock ride would be a good alternative. a little more lively and agressive, due to the bigger bell and slightly heavier weight.

[sleepless]

Thanks. Although I'm kind of surprised you find them to be dark...my hats are very very bright and incredibly loud. Mainly I need something that CUTS and I've been told RBDs do that very well.

[bobby__johnny]

in my opinion, if your looking for a dry cutting ride, go with the AA, or AAX dry rides. the AA will have the bigger bell of the two.

[Queen Anne's Revenge]

^^^^ 21" AA is a great ride, I am lucky enough to own one myself.

[bobby__johnny]

i kinda wish i had gone with the AA Myself.....bigger bell. :thumb:

[Queen Anne's Revenge]

^^^^ Yeah, it has quite the cut to it.

[Hyper Kid]

do u guys know of any versatile hats for most types of music especially rock, pop, fusion, funk and would not sound out of place when playing jazz? preferably some nice crisps when playing funk and a fairly amount of sizzle when playing jazz.
thanks a lot!

A New Beat Hihats... nuff said.

[Parradiddle Pete]

Hi, i'm looking for a sabian crash not to expensive but good for crash riding, preferably 18' or that kind of size. my current cymbals are sabian b8 and pro sonix also a little zbt splash. Thanx :thumb:

[shadow_stalker]

Try a Sabian AA, i think that they have a really nice sound to them.

[Parradiddle Pete]

thanx i'll go an have a look. i've seen the vault crashes theyre nice anyone know th price tag on one of them?

[shadow_stalker]

What country do you live in?

[Parradiddle Pete]

I'm in england. also btw i'm looking at max stax...ne gd?

[bobby__johnny]

not worth it. you an make your own for about $10~$20 and they sound very similar.

[Music_is_life]

I'm looking for a 16" crash to compliment my AA medium ride. I'd like something in the AA or AAX lines. Nothing very thin or very heavy with medium to long decay and a bright sound. I really like the AAX Dark crash and plan on buying one maybe in a few months after my new kit so somthing that would also work well with this. If you could suggest maybe 3 or 4 cymbals that would be great, i will try them out when i goto the store next week. Also, I will be needing to upgrade my hats soon as well. Currently i have no crash and **** hats, do you think i should get a crash first or upgrade my hats first? I hate not having a crash and i do have hats so to me it would seem more logical to get a crash... Opinions? For the hats I would like soemthing again in AA or AAX lines that is very a crisp and clear with a great "washy" open sound. Sorry for the long post and thanks for the helphttp://www.musicianforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[llama123]

Quick question: are the Vault series prices the same as the AA and AAX lines or the HH and HHX's?

Also, are the Vaults machine or hand made? Or a mix of both?

Thanks

[Queen Anne's Revenge]

Looking for a companion(s) to my 16" AA Medium Crash. Preferably Sabian.

[bobby__johnny]

Quick question: are the Vault series prices the same as the AA and AAX lines or the HH and HHX's?

Also, are the Vaults machine or hand made? Or a mix of both?

Thanks

i beleive they are priced intbetween the AA and Hand Hammered Lines. and as for how their made, i think they're hand made if i recall correctly.

Looking for a companion(s) to my 16" AA Medium Crash. Preferably Sabian.

try the same in an 18"....great crash you have there :thumb:

[EBS77]

I'm looking for a crash to use with my 17" AA medium thin, any brand.

[bobby__johnny]

19" AAX Stage Crash.

[Music_is_life]

I hate to be a pain but did you guys miss my post about 6 up? I know its a long one but a response would really be appreciated! http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Plan B.]

For a crash, check out AAX Stage, AA Medium/Medium Thins.

Also check out the AAX Stage hats.

[Music_is_life]

thank you Plan B, i will check them out. :)

[Plan B.]

No problem man. Those are just some basic examples. Check out the new Vault crashes too if you can, they're great.

[Music_is_life]

I will but are they not more pricey than the AA/AAX lines? I don't wanna spend more than 180 CDN.

[Plan B.]

My 18" was $160 if I recall correctly, for sure not over $180.

[Music_is_life]

wow really? is that canadian? I was under the impression that they would go for around 180-200 CDN.

[Plan B.]

Yep, Canadian. They're a new line, but they're priced lower than HHX/HH and a little higher, if not the same as AAX/AA's.

:cool:

[groomits]

I could buy a used 14'' AA china for 80$ CND, is that a good deal? Cause I know someone who's selling it. The cymbals is really clean, there's just some finger marks. He didnt played it a lot cause he's more a guitarist.

[bobby__johnny]

i dont know...you could get a new one off of the internet for not much more....

[Seafroggys]

Get a 12" Wuhan China instead. Almost as big as a 14", and much much cheaper.

[bobby__johnny]

...or get a 14" wuhan....thats the same size. :lol:

[groomits]

^^ hahaha, I already have a 12'' wuhan, but sometimes I find it too small. I think I'll get a 16'' later.

[groomits]

finally I'll exchange my 14'' pro hats for the AA china plus 50$

[bobby__johnny]

i think you should step up to an 18" if you have a 12". 18" is probably more versatile than any other chinese size.

[groomits]

bah.. I wanted to sell my pro hats since a long time, and now I got another china and 50$.. I'm happy lol

[Seafroggys]

Well, 12" Wuhans are much more common and dirt cheap at GC (even though I absolutly hate that place).

[Hammerheart]

I want a ride that will give me a nice "ping sound" and doesn't ring forever, my ZXT right now doesn't give me a good sound, and rings forever, so yeah. Thanks.

[bobby__johnny]

A. Zildjian Ping Ride...21" if you can get one.....

any ring you will hear, will be drowned out by any accompianing guitars/basses.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

You can't get a 21" ping ride, only 20"and 22". I have a 20" and theres alto of overtones, but yes it will be killed by the guitars, it got a nice ping, and makes a fat crash as well.

[Seafroggys]

I'm pretty sure they make 21" A Pings, as I hear about them all the time. Then again, they offered 17" AA Medium Crashes on musicianfriends, and none of the stores in my area stocked or were able to stock them (meaning they don't really exist unless you custom order).

[bobby__johnny]

they offered 17" AA Medium Crashes on musicianfriends, and none of the stores in my area stocked or were able to stock them

if a store tells you they cant get a 17" AA Medium Crash, its either because of 1.) They do not carry ANY Sabian Product. or 2.) They Lied.

for just about any sabian crash, 17" is a more than available size.

[Tesrson16]

I am looking at a Zildjian A 19" Rock crash, I was wondering would this be a good main crash for rock and metal?

[Seafroggys]

To the above two posts....

I actually prefer medium weights over rock weights....their plenty heavy, plus being lighter then the rock weights will be more verstaile.

To BobbyJohnny.....

When I called to about six stores in my area, every single one (except one, which was all Zildjs) stocked or could stock 16" or 18" Medium AA crashes....I was in the market for a 17", but no one could have one. That's where I ended up with my 18", which I'm perfectly happy for :thumb:

[kendrummer86]

What are some good reliable Meinl brands, but nothing super expensive, I want a nice sound overall and everywhere I go they don't stock Meinl cymbals, only place i've seen them would be Musiciansfriend that has a good selection of them...

I realize it might be hard to tell me from the information given, just let me know what you need to know and I shall explain as best I can.

[IM A BEGINER SO DONT LAUGH]

im thinking of getting some zildjian zxt cymbals u no the silver titanium ones but i dont no if they sound any good cause i play punk/metal so i need some thing u can hear but with a clean smooth sound

[l3n]

What are some good reliable Meinl brands, but nothing super expensive, I want a nice sound overall and everywhere I go they don't stock Meinl cymbals, only place i've seen them would be Musiciansfriend that has a good selection of them...

I realize it might be hard to tell me from the information given, just let me know what you need to know and I shall explain as best I can.


You can look at the Amun, and maybe soundcaster, the Amuns are an affordable line, from what i've been looking at so far

[bobby__johnny]

To BobbyJohnny.....

When I called to about six stores in my area, every single one (except one, which was all Zildjs) stocked or could stock 16" or 18" Medium AA crashes....I was in the market for a 17", but no one could have one. That's where I ended up with my 18", which I'm perfectly happy for

well, as long as your happy right? but sabian DOES make 17" AA Meidums as a circulation size...its not a custom job or anything.

[Hyper Kid]

I ordered 20" K Pre-Aged Dry Light Ride...will be here in about 2 weeks.. yeehee.

So anyone played this piece of bronze before?

[Plan B.]

Have you played it?

[Daniel!]

I want a ride cymbal that will sound good with my XS20 crash. I want it to be kinda dark and washy, but if that sound only comes with money than I don't want it. The max I want to spend is $125, but anything cheaper is good. Thanks.

[bobby__johnny]

might want to look into the XS20 Medium Ride....or maybe A Paiste Innovations Ride of some sort...i hear they are a warm sounding line.

[groomits]

I was just wondering, like this, is there a ride that is dark but with not a lot of overtone?

[llama123]

^ A Dimensions Dry ride comes to mind.

[bobby__johnny]

the Hand Hammered Raw Dry Ride is quite dark and pronounced.

[Hyper Kid]

Have you played it?

Yes

[Plan B.]

I remember hearing it a long time ago, and I forget what I thought of it.

[Crump]

Hi, i was thinking of buying a paiste signature dry ride but unfortunately my local store doesnt sell paiste so I can't go and hear for myself. Ill have to buy it online. I think i can get a used one for a little more than an aax dry ride and I like the sound of those but I think I want to try a cymbal from a different company. So I was wondering how a paiste sig. dry ride compares to an aax dry ride. thanks

[Plan B.]

I think Mystical has one (sorry if I mixed your name up).

[Crump]

Also how versatile is it? I play all sorts of stuff. thanks

[playwithfire]

well, as long as your happy right? but sabian DOES make 17" AA Meidums as a circulation size...its not a custom job or anything.A lot of stores just seem to stock the same types of cymbals though. Whenever I go looking for new crashes, and the store doesn't have a huge selection of Zildjian, I'm guaranteed to find a 16" A Medium Thin crash and an 18" A Thin crash, both in traditional finish.

[l3n]

Well, that's probably the market for you then. They stock what's easy and fast to sell, not what you, a single drummer, wants. Happens to me too :upset:

[Dave*Grohl]

Wich are better Zildjian z medium crash or Avedis medium crash?

[bobby__johnny]

deifantly the A. Zildjian Medium. WAY more tone, and much more useful at lower volumes.

[no1bettr]

My mom told me that i can get a new ride for easter because of my good grades. Im really thinking about paragons. i just wanted to know if there are any other ones that i might be missibng out on. suggestions would be fantastic.

note* she said it cant be over 250 USD

[Plan B.]

The Paragon ride is a really specific ride. Very heavy and pingy.

If that's what you want, go for it. Other choices could be A Ping rides, Rock rides, stuff like that.

[bobby__johnny]

i would say look into the Heavier AA rides....while the paragon is a very nice ride i think, its a little over priced, because you could get an AAX Metal ride for less, and have the same sound characteristics.

[Epiphender]

I'm looking for a ride for around $150 US. What are my options? Darker is preferable but that tends to cost more.

[l3n]

I'm surfing around for a crash now, and I've gained interest in a 18" HHX Studio Crash. One thing though, is that they describe the cymbal as 'thin'. I'm a little worried although I do have some confidence in my technique, so would this work for say, hard rock, and yet lighter stuff, or studio work, pop and that kind of stuff? Will it break easy under any of those conditions mentioned?

[Diluted]

I just bought some 14" Zildjian A custom Mastersound hats and I love them. So, now I'm looking for 2 crashes, 16" and 18", preferably Zlidjian (just becuase i love a's and a customs). I play mostly classic rock, progressive rock, and metal. Any suggestions??

[Dave*Grohl]

How are Sabian AA's?

[Iskandar]

I just bought some 14" Zildjian A custom Mastersound hats and I love them. So, now I'm looking for 2 crashes, 16" and 18", preferably Zlidjian (just becuase i love a's and a customs). I play mostly classic rock, progressive rock, and metal. Any suggestions??

A Custom Projection Crashes.

[Iskandar]

I was just wondering, like this, is there a ride that is dark but with not a lot of overtone?

K Custom rides. You'll find plenty of rides like that if you look.

[bobby__johnny]

I'm surfing around for a crash now, and I've gained interest in a 18" HHX Studio Crash. One thing though, is that they describe the cymbal as 'thin'. I'm a little worried although I do have some confidence in my technique, so would this work for say, hard rock, and yet lighter stuff, or studio work, pop and that kind of stuff? Will it break easy under any of those conditions mentioned?

i would suggest HHX Stage Crash instead. it's a Medium-thin Weight, and should stand up to most situations if your technique is good.

the Studio, i would say is fine for just about anything, aside from the Hard rock/metal genres.

How are Sabian AA's?

Bright. Compareable to A. Zildjians and Paiste 2002's

I just bought some 14" Zildjian A custom Mastersound hats and I love them. So, now I'm looking for 2 crashes, 16" and 18", preferably Zlidjian (just becuase i love a's and a customs). I play mostly classic rock, progressive rock, and metal. Any suggestions??

i'd say a pair of A. Zildjian Medium Crashes would complement those hats perfectly.

[Diluted]

bobby_johnny

do you think a 16" A custom projection and a 18" A medium would work well together??

of course I will be trying these out before I buy anything...

[Plan B.]

Yes, they would. I think the A would be higher pitched though.

It would be a good transition.

[J0llyhunter]

a ride that's warm, little overtones, NOT cutting, little sustain, and medium buildup? kinda like the K constinople MT rides but LESS overtones

[l3n]

Tried looking at Alchemy yet?

[Iskandar]

Yes, they would. I think the A would be higher pitched though.

It would be a good transition.

The A Custom would have a higher pitch, I'm thinking. A Customs are designed to be fast and bright; plus it's a smaller size. They should work together very well.

[bobby__johnny]

a ride that's warm, little overtones, NOT cutting, little sustain, and medium buildup? kinda like the K constinople MT rides but LESS overtones

maybe try the K Heavy ride?

[punskad16]

whats this aax crap, get zildjians!

[szenarox]

i'm looking for a ride that's dark and loud. if there is such a thing. should a K Custom do the trick? i like the sound of the A rock ride and the pingyness of the z customs but z customs go "GLAAAAAANG" too much. yea...something dark, but loud. K heavy ride?

[Plan B.]

Try the K Custom Dry ride.

[Chiefgeezer]

Ok, heres the thing. I need some Cheap hi hats, talking starting range here, for about $90 tops cos my old ones just died on me and i need some temporary ones while i save money for some HHX stage hats. I would prefer Sabian as they're my first choice but i'm not particularly fussy. I just want the best sound for that price.

Thanks in advance everyone, have a good one.

[TTTSNB]

whats this aax crap, get zildjians!
Sabian owns Zildjian IMO. They are much more consistent, have a better selection, and often sound better.

[TTTSNB]

Ok, heres the thing. I need some Cheap hi hats, talking starting range here, for about $90 tops cos my old ones just died on me and i need some temporary ones while i save money for some HHX stage hats. I would prefer Sabian as they're my first choice but i'm not particularly fussy. I just want the best sound for that price.

Thanks in advance everyone, have a good one.
Look for some used ones, or try some 502s or b8 pros.

[TTTSNB]

I'm looking for a second ride to go along with my 21" AA Rock Ride. Any Suggestions?

[Seafroggys]

^^^20" Zildjian A Ping Ride?

[bobby__johnny]

nahh...that would be too similar....i say get one of the Vault Artisan rides when they come out :thumb:

[borge]

This might be a stupid question but, when a Cymbal means fast decay what does that mean?

[redhotslipknot]

Hats and ride. The only cymbal on my set im currently keepin is my A Custom Projection 18" crash (The rest are ZXT or ZBT). So obviously i wanna replace em i was wonderin wheter to start with hats or ride and wat to get. i don't mind mixing brands or anything like that and i play mostly metal and rock but i don't wanna limit myself to them to much.

[l3n]

This might be a stupid question but, when a Cymbal means fast decay what does that mean?


Decay is the amount of time it takes to fade off. Fast decay means that it fades very quickly, like a fast crash. Quick, bright, and the sound fades fast.

[l3n]

Hats and ride. The only cymbal on my set im currently keepin is my A Custom Projection 18" crash (The rest are ZXT or ZBT). So obviously i wanna replace em i was wonderin wheter to start with hats or ride and wat to get. i don't mind mixing brands or anything like that and i play mostly metal and rock but i don't wanna limit myself to them to much.


Look into some Paiste Sigs, you'll never go wrong :cool:

On a more economical note.. you can look at maybe A New Beat hats, maybe a Sabian HH Rock Ride.

[bobby__johnny]

more economical, yes.....really saving money - not really....they're still gonna run around $400 for the pair. if your willing to spend $400, you might as well save up and Get whatever you want.

This might be a stupid question but, when a Cymbal means fast decay what does that mean?

think Splash cymbals....doesnt get any faster for decay.

[redhotslipknot]

ok thanks for the advice.

[punskad16]

I'm learning jazz drums(of about 3.5 yrs now) and am thinking about new cymbals. Does any one have concent about these?

Zildjian
14" K HiHats
20" K Constantinople Light Ride
20" K Constantinople Medium Ride
20" K Ride(regular(e.g. not heavy))

[Seafroggys]

^^^Awesome line up.

No 17" dark crashes though? :( If you need any, I'll take them instead.

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[slickrick1688]

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[J0llyhunter]

I'm learning jazz drums(of about 3.5 yrs now) and am thinking about new cymbals. Does any one have concent about these?

Zildjian
14" K HiHats
20" K Constantinople Light Ride
20" K Constantinople Medium Ride
20" K Ride(regular(e.g. not heavy))


ooooh yes, the K constantinople rides are THE best! nice choice there! how about K dark crash thin? theyre pretty good as well!

[ilikenoise]

I'm learning jazz drums(of about 3.5 yrs now) and am thinking about new cymbals. Does any one have concent about these?

Zildjian
14" K HiHats
20" K Constantinople Light Ride
20" K Constantinople Medium Ride
20" K Ride(regular(e.g. not heavy))

Nice choice, but how bout a K 19" medium thin or a K 18" crash/ride? Might give you some more sounds. Or maybe different sized rides as apposed to 3 20"s?

[drummer172]

Im looking into buying a zildjian a custom ping ride cymbal. What did you guys think of it

[Egnar401]

i bought a sabian xs20 20" ride today, it's pretty nice. i saw the a custom, it sounded really good, and i was also looking at a hand-hammered 20" and a paragon 21" (all rides obviously). the xs20, IMO, was the best sounding for its price. i don't recall how much the a custom ping was, maybe 170 (trying to remember offhand), and i spent 110 on the xs20. now to upgrade the rest of my cymbals from b8's to whatever the f--k i want :)

[Badkarma05]

FNG here, I've been drumming for a little over a year now and am in the market for a 19" crash to ride on. I play alot of hardrock/metal but also some funk and jazzy type stuff on occasion. Anyways my current cymbal setup is a 20" A Ping Ride, 17" A Custom Projection Crash, and 14" A Mastersound hihats. I have been considering a 19" A Rock Crash because it's a little thicker and still has a nice musical sound too it. But at the same time I love the sound of my A Custom Pro. Crash when I need to ride it, and have been thinking about a 19" version of it. I'm just wondering if it's to thin to be constantly riding. Suggestions? Comments? Thanks guys!

-Ryan

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

19" A Custom would be a great addition to your set, I have an 18" model and its a great crash to ride on.

[bobby__johnny]

i would go with the A Rock. its extra weight will give is some more sustain to blend in well for the riding.

[static]

yeah i love sabian cymbals and i was wondering if a vault crash is worth it. right now i have b8 and b8 pros, so im upgradin

[AvantGarde58]

Can anyone recommend a ride cymbal that has dark overtones, good wash/sustain and "cuts through?" I do not really like cymbals, particularily the ride, to be too shimmering or pingy. Right now I have Zildjian K an 18" constantinople and 20" EAK with A mastersound hi hats. Please guide me with a ride cymbal that might complement this setup. I perfer Zildjian but other brands are welcome too. I've tried the A 21" Sweet Ride and A 20" Medium ride and really like their sound. Good choices?

[PrescribedNonsense]

Can anyone suggest a moderately cheap (but giggable) crash cymbal that makes a good crash sound, and stops. It doesn't keep resonating. I don't want to be able to hear it 20 seconds after I hit it.

I know some of you will flame me, but that's how I like my crash cymbals.

[Seafroggys]

^^^A Thin, maybe medium-thin crash should do the trick. Try going for Wuhans....I don't know what models mine were, but for the same price as B8Pros I got something quite intermediate sounding.

[bobby__johnny]

yeah i love sabian cymbals and i was wondering if a vault crash is worth it. right now i have b8 and b8 pros, so im upgradin

i say look into the AA/AAX lines first. more diversity, lower price tag.

Can anyone recommend a ride cymbal that has dark overtones, good wash/sustain and "cuts through?" I do not really like cymbals, particularily the ride, to be too shimmering or pingy. Right now I have Zildjian K an 18" constantinople and 20" EAK with A mastersound hi hats. Please guide me with a ride cymbal that might complement this setup. I perfer Zildjian but other brands are welcome too. I've tried the A 21" Sweet Ride and A 20" Medium ride and really like their sound. Good choices?

Hand Hammered Medium-heavy Ride.

Can anyone suggest a moderately cheap (but giggable) crash cymbal that makes a good crash sound, and stops. It doesn't keep resonating. I don't want to be able to hear it 20 seconds after I hit it.

I know some of you will flame me, but that's how I like my crash cymbals.

i agree with Seafroggys, an A or AA Medium Thin...but for gigging, i'd suggest the Medium. when you add other instruments (Especially amplfied ones) you will quickly notice a long sustaining cymbal be shortened.

[Der Meister]

how much would a few small dents around the outside of a 8" signature spalsh affect it's sound? I just got one for £25 on ebay. If it's anygood I'll sell my alpha.

[bobby__johnny]

well, for 25 pounds i'd say it was a good deal. kinda like playing roullette with sound....might turn out fine.

[yourstruly]

i'm really want a second crash, and I was wondering what a good one for play
rock/metal/punk rock etc.., prederably zildjian or sabian and in the 18 - 19" range.
I want to have 2 of the same kind eventually so what would be a good pair?

[Seafroggys]

^^^My 18" AA Medium Crash is wonderful.

If you're looking at a more modern sound, AAXs and A Customs might be your gig.

[TTTSNB]

I Just looked at and played the Sabian 21" HH Raw Bell Dry Ride. Sounded great. The only thing was... It was 280 BUCKS! Is that rediculous? My AA 21" Rock ride was around 170.

[Epiphender]

What ride did you get for 170?

[Seafroggys]

Any one size of cymbal within a specific line of Sabian will always cost the same. a 20" ride will cost the same as a 20" crash or 20" china, etc. I think for the HH, a $280 seems a bit much for an HH. HHs can't be that much more expensive then AAs, and I got my 18" AA for $137.

[bobby__johnny]

^^^

thats how it goes.

AA/AAX = 20" Ride = 20" Crash = 20" Chinese for price
HH/HHX = same idea

[Murd_666]

^I like the way that works, makes it easier to know the price of other cymbals if you know the price for the same size, and 14" hats will usually run about the same as a 22" cymbal.13" hats will usually run for about a 21" cymbal price, and as for 15" hats don't ask me how much....^

Anyways any thoughts about the crystal ride, I like it but for 225 for an 18" I was wondering would an 18" AA flat ride would sound simalar, and also what do people think of the new artistian rides....

[poppinfresh]

I need a ride to go with the rest of my cymbals. Right now i have paiste innovations highats, paiste 18 full and fast crashes, and a k custom 14 fast crash. My ride is an aa metal x, but it sounds so out of place. I was thinking of a paiste sig dry crisp ot a k or k custom. Which would fit better in there, and if you can recommend any other brands that would be nice to.

[Josepasillaswannabe]

Hey try paying £230 for a 21" HH ride, that's how much my Raw Bell Dry Ride cost, it just makes me look after it even better i suppose!!

[bobby__johnny]

Anyways any thoughts about the crystal ride, I like it but for 225 for an 18" I was wondering would an 18" AA flat ride would sound simalar, and also what do people think of the new artistian rides....

the thing about the signature line, is that they were designed specifically for the drummers who's names are on them. This could mean that the cymbal might work out for you, but most likely would not. Now, if your right into jazz, and want to have that very same sound, then maybe the Crystal ride is worth looking into. if you just want a jazzy ride, then i suggest the AA Flat ride first.

as for the Vault Artisan ride, i havent tried one, but from the way Sabian describes it, i'm guessing its their take on the Constantinople rides Zildjian makes.

[master_of_drumming]

Well, first hi@all, this forum looks really great, I hope that I can learn a bit from other drummers :thumb:

Now, my question:
I have had 13 years of professional drumming lessons and am searching for a metal-Band at the moment. The only problem (except finding a band near my home :rolleyes: ) is my drumset. Perhaps you know www.thomann.de, they sell Drumsets from "Millenium" with their own no-name-cymbals in their shop, I have such an Drumset at home :amaze: , and I started to upgrade my cymbal-set with an Paiste Dimensions 17" Medium heavy Crash, and it fits really great to the rest of my cymbals (14"-Medium-HiHat no-name (HLX is printed on them), 16" no-name (HLX too), 20"-Ride (HLX), 8" Meinl Headliner Splash, 10"-Meinl Headliner Splash (this one is in a very bad state, lots of loooong cracks, a big piece of it flew away already :naughty: , this "cymbal" is treatened as a mini-Chinese ^^).

I myself am a really great fan of Paiste, and I want to upgrade my drumset mostly with Paiste-cymbals. As I already mentioned I am a metal-drummer so I need cymbals that can stand my aggressive playing. I have already an eye on the Dimensions 18" Power Crash, but I want to buy either a new ride-cymbal (should sound pingy and loud, not too dark, my sticking should be heared over my double-bass-playing ;) ) or new HiHat-Cymbals (should sound crispy, but not too agressive, thought about the Dimensions Medium Crunch HiHats).

There I need your advice: I am a student at the moment, so I can't buy everything together, so what would you upgrade first: the HiHat or the Ride-cymbal? Can you recommend me perhaps a cymbal from another manufacturer (the Zildjian Z Custom 20"-Ride sounds great, too, but does it fit to the Paiste Dimensions?)?

Thank you very much!

(And sorry for spelling- or expression-mistakes, I am from Germany :p )

[bobby__johnny]

alwyas hats a ride first.

for the ride, i'd say an A. Zildjian Rock Ride would be a good choice, and as for the Dimensions, that could be a little too dark for what your looking for....maybe try the 2002 Power Crash.

Hats? maybe the 2002 Sound edge hats or Heavy Hats.

[yourstruly]

what do think of this cymbal steup?..

crashes - 18" and 19" AAX xplosions
ride - 20" HHX evolution
hats - AAX X-celerators

[London Prophet]

Having two identical type crashes with just an inch difference always seems a bad idea - too similar in sound.

A similar problem I'm having. Crash-wise, i just bought a Zildjian A Custom 17" Projection Crash to complement a 16" Dark K and an 18" Medium A. I'm finding the 17" and 18" very similar, although the 17" is very slightly lower (due to it being a projection crash). What would you do? I was thinking of trying to take back the 17" and changing it for an 18" version ... or perhaps changing to an A custom medium crash.

[bobby__johnny]

your 17" Projection is lower pitched than the 18" medium? thats very strange. everything about that cymbal says it should be higher pitched (Thicker, Smaller, A Customs are Brighter in general)

what do think of this cymbal steup?..

crashes - 18" and 19" AAX xplosions
ride - 20" HHX evolution
hats - AAX X-celerators

lose the crashes and try the AAX Stage Crashes in 16" and 18"...those Xplosion crashes are way too fast and punchy to be used as your only crashes.

[Murd_666]

^I agree^ Also try an 18" Medium crash and an 18" medium-Thin Crash/18"AAX Stage crash

[poppinfresh]

I need a ride to go with the rest of my cymbals. Right now i have paiste innovations highats, paiste 18 full and fast crashes, and a k custom 14 fast crash. My ride is an aa metal x, but it sounds so out of place. I was thinking of a paiste sig dry crisp ot a k or k custom. Which would fit better in there, and if you can recommend any other rides that would be nice to.

anyone???

[bobby__johnny]

i say try an HHX Stage Ride.

[London Prophet]

your 17" Projection is lower pitched than the 18" medium? thats very strange. everything about that cymbal says it should be higher pitched (Thicker, Smaller, A Customs are Brighter in general)

Projection crashes are medium thin, so they're thinner than the A Medium Crash. I tend to find the A's brighter than the A Customs. Nonetheless I'm thinking of exchanging the 17" A Custom - what would be the best bet.

[bobby__johnny]

ahhh...i was under the influence that Projections were like Rock weights.

[Hyper Kid]

Have yous heard about the K Custom Hybrid Ride?.... i wanna try it!... maybe it's gonna be out at the next NAMM.

[spiritII]

Have yous heard about the K Custom Hybrid Ride?.... i wanna try it!... maybe it's gonna be out at the next NAMM.

Link?

[Mr.Wiggles]

Hey, i need new cymbols. I play rock but not hard rock. I have about $110 to spend. If you have any suggestions, i would appreciate it.

[bobby__johnny]

Sabian Pro Performance Pack. Best package for the money.

[poppinfresh]

Have yous heard about the K Custom Hybrid Ride?.... i wanna try it!... maybe it's gonna be out at the next NAMM.
uh theres the hybrid ride. It was developed with akira jimbo. If you want to know anything else just ask. Its basically the k custom ride and the pre aged light ride put toghether.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/poppinfresh407/kcustomhybrid1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/poppinfresh407/kcustomhybrid2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/poppinfresh407/kcustomhybrid3.jpg

[Hyper Kid]

yeh there's some of the pics.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Dam that is one hot piece of metal.

[Plan B.]

Wow, that is hot.

[spiritII]

Wow! I couldn't find it on the Zildjian site.

[ZOFO77]

All this Crash and Ride jibber...I'M LOVIN IT! :thumb:

Anyway...I just advanced out of my ZBT's :evil: To some A CUSTOMS...I started witha 18" A CUSTOM crash...and I love it. Then I added a slightly different sound to it by getting the 17" PROJECTION A CUSTOM...

I liked it in the store and it had a different decay. But now I am wondering if I should move that Projection over and add one more cymbal such as another 18" A CUSTOM or maybe a 19".

What would be your take on keeping the two main crashes identical or adding that third crash resulting in three slightly different ones/sounds...?

THOUGHTS PLEASE!

I play on a 5 pieces LUDWIG CS CUSTOM BIRCH w/ a 22" Bass....

[Plan B.]

Personally, when your forking over your own cash for cymbals, I wouldn't want to get the same exact cymbal when you could get a different one, but that's just me. I'd say get the Projection crash first before you make up your mind, you may find that you have to many bright cymbals and want a dark one, or whatever. My tastes can change very drastically.

[ZOFO77]

Personally, when your forking over your own cash for cymbals, I wouldn't want to get the same exact cymbal when you could get a different one, but that's just me. I'd say get the Projection crash first before you make up your mind, you may find that you have to many bright cymbals and want a dark one, or whatever. My tastes can change very drastically.

I did get the Projection crash.....I am now considering adding one more....BUT WHAT?

[Parradiddle Pete]

Hi, I posted many many pages back about a Sabian crash that i could use against my b8 16" crash and a 16" pro sonix china. I'd like it to have an element of trashiness. i play rock and punk/funk. for any other info on my kit theres sum stuff about it in a post called 'MY KIT!?'. I've seen the chad smith signature that sounds amazing but i think it might cost a bomd...any body had any experience or know anything about prices? I'm in england btw

:wave: Thanks :wave:

[bobby__johnny]

well, your sonix china should give you some trash....it IS a china after all.....i say go for another crash. maybe an 18" AA Medium or Medium-thin?

[Plan B.]

I did get the Projection crash.....I am now considering adding one more....BUT WHAT?


Oh, you're right. Sorry I miss-read it.

I don't see why adding another big crash like a 19" A Custom would be bad.

[italic zero]

I want a 16" medium or medium thin, darkish crash for prog/modern rock like APC, Porcupine Tree, VAST. Any suggestions?

[DespisedIcon689]

Cymbals for metal music and Zildjian brand only.

[Seafroggys]

Why stick with Zildjian? What if the sound you are looking for is in a Sabian, Paiste, Ufip, Meinl, Wuhan, Istanbul Agop, Istanbul Mehment, Turkish, or Bosphorous line?

Seriously, you're being VERY narrowminded here.

Anyway, for metal, I would suggest A Medium to Rock Crashes, probably 17-20" in size. But if you want to get cheaper cymbals, I would go for the AA Medium to Rock crashes, 17-20", but since you seem to ONLY want Zildjian, go for it.

Or if you want really heavy, get some Paiste 2002 crashes. Oh wait, no, you don't want the best, you just want the name, never mind.

[bobby__johnny]

Cymbals for metal music and Zildjian brand only.

pitch preferance? Budget? particular models?

be specific dude. thats all i ask in this thread.

[DespisedIcon689]

Why stick with Zildjian? What if the sound you are looking for is in a Sabian, Paiste, Ufip, Meinl, Wuhan, Istanbul Agop, Istanbul Mehment, Turkish, or Bosphorous line?

Seriously, you're being VERY narrowminded here.

Anyway, for metal, I would suggest A Medium to Rock Crashes, probably 17-20" in size. But if you want to get cheaper cymbals, I would go for the AA Medium to Rock crashes, 17-20", but since you seem to ONLY want Zildjian, go for it.

Or if you want really heavy, get some Paiste 2002 crashes. Oh wait, no, you don't want the best, you just want the name, never mind.

Does it really matter what brand it is??? I trust Zildjian more than the other brands because Zildjian has been around longer than Sabian and since our school uses Zildjian I play them a lot and I really like the sounds of their cymbals. So why are u people getting all mad just because I like Zildjian? A lot of other people do on these forums...i just don't get why you get all mad? Even famous metal drummers use Zildjian such as Lars Ulrich. Also Steve Gadd the best drummer in 2003 uses Zildjian. I'll pick the cymbals that I like....also Zildjian is one of the best.



to bobby johnny
cymbals that have a loud and quick sound and with lots of durability for hitting hard.

[Murd_666]

I would recommend Sabian AAX Metal, AA Metal-x line for the you probably want but since i don't really knw to much bout zildjian I'd say Z cust. or also look into paiste rudes, AA Rock/ Medium, Meinl Amun mediums, Meinl Raker, Meinl Mb20, A Mediums and rocks....

[spiritII]

Does it really matter what brand it is??? I trust Zildjian more than the other brands because Zildjian has been around longer than Sabian and since our school uses Zildjian I play them a lot and I really like the sounds of their cymbals. So why are u people getting all mad just because I like Zildjian? A lot of other people do on these forums...i just don't get why you get all mad? Even famous metal drummers use Zildjian such as Lars Ulrich. Also Steve Gadd the best drummer in 2003 uses Zildjian. I'll pick the cymbals that I like....also Zildjian is one of the best.



to bobby johnny
cymbals that have a loud and quick sound and with lots of durability for hitting hard.

"Does it realy matter what brand it is?"
No. Which is why it shouldn't matter to you either. Self-pwn. :p
Oh, and since you're provoking argument, many of todays top manufacturers evolved from Zildjian, and since evolution is progress, in theory Sabian is better than Zildjian! How d'you like them apples?
(It's alright, I'm just messing :D)

Anyway, since you asked, I think you should just try out any and all Zildjians you can, but since you hit hard, A's and Z's would be your best bet, larger sizes, i.e. 16" minimum.

[Seafroggys]

I like Zildjians too. I never said anything was wrong with them. Thats all my school has, but....seriously, why stick to them. I saved probably $50 to get my Sabian AA rathern then buying a Zildjian Avedis crash, and they're virtually the same thing.

And I don't really care what famous drummer drums with Zildjian. My favorite drummer played Paiste....do you think I'm gonna get Paiste? Probably not, even though I've considered a 2002 crash.

[J0llyhunter]

yup, i really like paistes, but i wont spend 800 on a pair o' hats, i cant

[nzrocker]

Anyone have an opinion about the 14' K/Z special hats? I've been looking at them because I tried a pair of brilliant finish 13' new beats, which were too bright and trebly for me, they almost drown out my snare. The K/Z's seem to be a lot darker, i want something dark and with a wash that isn't too loud. I'm open to other brands as well.

Oh and i'll probably sound like a brand whore here, but opinions on getting a 17' K custom dark crash as the main and a 19' Avedish Thin crash? I like my cymbals big and pretty low pitched but not too loud, was thinking about the A custom projections but they sound like they'll be too loud.

P.s. the only reason I'm going for zildjians is because most music stores in my country stock mainly zildjians, and i can usually get a bit of a discount on them.

[borge]

i'm looking for a very flashy crash yet fast decay, but im on a budget $500. Any suggestions?

[White Riot!]

i'm looking for a very flashy crash yet fast decay, but im on a budget $500. Any suggestions?

THIN!

[poppinfresh]

16 in k custom fast crash

[MWDrummer]

Hey guys, could you suggest a China cymbal that will go well with my current cymbals? I really don't have a limit to my budget for this cymbal. Also, I perfer Zildjian cymbals but I'll try anything that you guys think will go well.

--Current Setup--
14" A Custom Mastersound Hats
16" A Custom Projection Crash
18" Z Custom Medium Crash
20" A Custom Ping Ride
12" A Custom Splash

Thanks

[TTTSNB]

Hey guys, could you suggest a China cymbal that will go well with my current cymbals? I really don't have a limit to my budget for this cymbal. Also, I perfer Zildjian cymbals but I'll try anything that you guys think will go well.

--Current Setup--
14" A Custom Mastersound Hats
16" A Custom Projection Crash
18" Z Custom Medium Crash
20" A Custom Ping Ride
12" A Custom Splash

Thanks
A Custom China 18", or an Oriental China trash of the same size. other sizes could work as well, but the 18" size is the most versatile.

[drummer172]

What do you like better A custom 13" mastersound hi hats. Or K custom 13" hi hats?

[Seafroggys]

Wuhan Chinas!

[Murd_666]

What do you like better A custom 13" mastersound hi hats. Or K custom 13" hi hats?The K customs, anyways can some one recommend a Hi-Hat that would be nice washy, with good stick definition but not to crisp such as HHX Hats. Sabian prefered but will try other brands also...

[LiQuId_FaRt]

Crash --> Somewhat like the K custom dark crash... a bit cheaper
Splash --> Definite and clear like the HHX evo... again, a bit cheaper

Thanks.

[bobby__johnny]

The K customs, anyways can some one recommend a Hi-Hat that would be nice washy, with good stick definition but not to crisp such as HHX Hats. Sabian prefered but will try other brands also...

14" AA Regular hats are a good choice for just about everything...a little darker, try the 14" HHX Groove hats. nice simmer....most likely the next addition to my kit is those hats.

Crash --> Somewhat like the K custom dark crash... a bit cheaper
Splash --> Definite and clear like the HHX evo... again, a bit cheaper

Crash - HHX Studio Crash
Splash - AA Splash

[groomits]

Not long ago I bought a 15 AAX dark crash and I love it. now I'm looking to change my 16'' AA rock cause I don't like it. What would fit really well with the dark crash. maybe the 17'' of the same model? I want something dark, explosive, that will sound more than the 15''.

[Erotomania]

dp ypu guys know if A custom zildjian crashes are a higher or... uh how can i put this... a higher end quality cymbal?

[Erotomania]

do you guys know if A custom zildjian crashes are a higher or... uh how can i put this... a higher end quality cymbal?

[Plan B.]

Yes, they are very high end, proffesional level cymbals.

[drummer172]

Not very high end. Very high end is paiste signatures. But yes they are high end zildjians.

[bobby__johnny]

What would fit really well with the dark crash. maybe the 17'' of the same model? I want something dark, explosive, that will sound more than the 15''.

17" or 18" HHX Stage Crash.

[spiritII]

Not very high end. Very high end is paiste signatures. But yes they are high end zildjians.

What are you talking about?

[meizmatt]

what would you guys suggest for a ride?

[spiritII]

what would you guys suggest for a ride?

Do you have a budget? What styles are you going to play with it? Are you a brand whore? Do you have other cymbals you'd like it to blend with? Anything else you think would help us to help?

[bobby__johnny]

what would you guys suggest for a ride?

sound? budget? brand?

[ToyDolls]

All right, this is a big job.

I want a sound of classic metal-kinda progish but I still want the cymbals to be applicable to other times of music. I don't care about a budget. The set up would be:

Hi-Hats

Ride

Crash 1

Crash 2

Crash 3

Effects 1

Effects 2

Effects 3

Effects Ride 4

I would like it one step up with only Zildjian and another with all Sabian. (So I can choose and pick from these companies. Don't give any Wuhan, paiste or any others; I just want a Zildjian setup or a Sabian.)

As in, here are the cymbals you'd want from Zildjian, and here is the kind you would like from Sabian.

[J0llyhunter]

Not long ago I bought a 15 AAX dark crash and I love it. now I'm looking to change my 16'' AA rock cause I don't like it. What would fit really well with the dark crash. maybe the 17'' of the same model? I want something dark, explosive, that will sound more than the 15''.

maybe 17 K dark crash thin

[Spacehog26]

All right, this is a big job.

I want a sound of classic metal-kinda progish but I still want the cymbals to be applicable to other times of music. I don't care about a budget. The set up would be:

Hi-Hats = 14" AAX Fusion Hats
Ride = 21" Signature Tri Top Ride
Crash 1 = 15" AAX Dark Crash
Crash 2 = 17" AAXplosion Crash
Crash 3 = 19" HHXtreme Crash
Effects 1 = 20" HH Dark Chinese
Effects 2 = 10" AA Splash
Effects 3 = 12" AAX Splash
Effects Ride 4 = 19" Signature V-FX Ride

(my take on the Sabian selection :))

Martin

[meizmatt]

Do you have a budget? What styles are you going to play with it? Are you a brand whore? Do you have other cymbals you'd like it to blend with? Anything else you think would help us to help?


i dont really have a budget since it will be in a few months and i will be working many more hrs in the summer. as for style i want something that is versatile enough to go from jazz to metal and any style in between. i couldnt give a **** if it was zildjian or sabian.

[Murd_666]

Sabian
HH 13" HHX Groove
R 21" AA Medium Heavy
C1 17" Vault Crash
C2 18" AA Medium Crash
C3 16" AAX Stage Crash
Efx1 10" HH Duo Splash
Efx2 12" Ice Bell
Efx3 18" HH Chinese
EfxR4 18" Signature Crystal Ride

[bobby__johnny]

Hi-Hats - 14" AAX Stage hats
Ride - 20" Hand Hammered Rock Ride
Crash 1 - 17" HHX Stage Crash
Crash 2 - 18" Hand Hammered Medium Crash
Crash 3 - 20" AA Medium Crash
Effects 1 - 10" AA Splash
Effects 2 - 20" B8 Pro Chinese
Effects 3 - 14" HHX Evolution Mini Chinese
Effects Ride 4 - Signature Will Calhoun Ambient Ride

[groomits]

you seem to really like this b8 pro china, I think I'll go try one this weekend.

[drummer172]

Ok im looking for some quick bright hi hats. Preferably 13". Price limit is $400

[poppinfresh]

zlidjian 14 zbt.

[drummer172]

zlidjian 14 zbt.Umm i was thinking on the high end lines

[bobby__johnny]

you seem to really like this b8 pro china, I think I'll go try one this weekend.

think Wuhans with more tone and less trash

[drummer172]

bump

[bobby__johnny]

silly noob....this thread doesnt need to be bumped. what are you bumping?

[meizmatt]

silly noob....this thread doesnt need to be bumped. what are you bumping?
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[DruMMeR_BoY14]

I'm thinking about getting another splash for my kit. I already have a 10" Stagg Myra splash, and was looking at getting an 8" splash as well. I want a short and high pitched sound and was looking at a Zildjian A splash, but if anyone has any other sugestions hit me with them.

[Spacehog26]

The 8" Stagg SH splash is quite nice, although it's got a bit much sustain for my tastes. Gotta love the Sabian AAX 8" splash for really short cutting sounds, I find it a great accent cymbal

Martin

[spiritII]

silly noob....this thread doesnt need to be bumped. what are you bumping?

Ok im looking for some quick bright hi hats. Preferably 13". Price limit is $400

He was trying to get you to look at his question methinks.

A Custom Mastersounds?

[ToyDolls]

Hi-Hats - 14" AAX Stage hats
Ride - 20" Hand Hammered Rock Ride
Crash 1 - 17" HHX Stage Crash
Crash 2 - 18" Hand Hammered Medium Crash
Crash 3 - 20" AA Medium Crash
Effects 1 - 10" AA Splash
Effects 2 - 20" B8 Pro Chinese
Effects 3 - 14" HHX Evolution Mini Chinese
Effects Ride 4 - Signature Will Calhoun Ambient Ride

Thank you and the others who helped.

[groomits]

today I was repeting for a song that we'll play at school. and it was the first time I saw that drumkit of the school. and what did I saw?? a 20" paiste signature dry ride and a K custom 14'' hi hat. man I didnt know my shcool had enough budget to buy these. I think at the end of the school year, I'll steal it lol

[ToyDolls]

I've gone with this based one all your suggestions.

Hi Hats: 13" HHX Groove Hi-Hat
Ride: 20" AA Medium Heavy Ride
Crash 1: 15" AAX Dark Crash
Crash 2: 17" AAX plosion Crash
Crash 3: 17" Vault Crash
Effects 1: 10" AA Splash
Effects 2: 14" HHX Evolution Mini-Chinese
Effects 3: 20" HH Dark Chinese
Effects Ride: 19" Sig. V-FX Ride

This comes out around $1,575. Well, a little work I can get this.

[drummer172]

Sorry about the bumping i was in an impatient mood. Any other suggestions?

[-Funky monk-]

A jazz/grooving type ride, thick, good stick def., and not to many overtones.

[bobby__johnny]

AA Flat hats, AAX Fast hats, AA/AAX/Hand Hammered Fusion Hats

[ToyDolls]

Effects 3: 20" HH Dark Chinese
Effects Ride: 19" Sig. V-FX Ride

I have a hard time finding these cymbals for sale, anyone know of a place that carries them?

[Seafroggys]

Whats the different sound characteristics of a flat ride compared to a normal bell ride? I heard a flat ride once and it sounded good, so I am curious.

[bobby__johnny]

they are much dryer and crisper sounding. The bell is what gives a cymbal its overtones and volume. thats why Dry rides gennerally have small bells, and why flat rides never project as much as the same ride with a bell.

[Spacehog26]

Effects 3: 20" HH Dark Chinese
Effects Ride: 19" Sig. V-FX Ride

I have a hard time finding these cymbals for sale, anyone know of a place that carries them?

You may have to get your store to order them in. If they're going to get such a big purchase out of you, most stores would be happy to, I'm sure (I got my store to order me in a *splash*... all the way from Canada to the UK :))

Martin

[bobby__johnny]

all of Sabians cymbals come from Canada ;)

[Iskandar]

A jazz/grooving type ride, thick, good stick def., and not to many overtones.

K Custom High Definition Ride.

[TTTSNB]

A massively cutting china that still has some nice dark overtones and can be ridden on easily.

[bobby__johnny]

HHX Chinese my friend...

[i-like-cake]

a cheaper brand, cutting chinese that blends with b8's and xs's

[bobby__johnny]

B8 Pro....that china is so awesome.

[meizmatt]

has anyone heard of istanbul(sp?) cymbals

[italic zero]

For a 16" medium or medium thin, darkish crash for prog/modern rock like APC, Porcupine Tree, or VAST which do you think would be best, 16" K medium thin crash, HH medium thin crash, or HHX 16" stage crash? Or something else?

[J0llyhunter]

has anyone heard of istanbul(sp?) cymbals

yes, they are well known turkish cymbals. they pro cymbals, but are cheaper than the Zildjian, Sabian, and Paiste. i think they are great!

[Seafroggys]

has anyone heard of istanbul(sp?) cymbals

Great cymbals. I own a 14" Thin Traditional crash, and despite being slightly splashy, gives a great tone.

Cheaper? Try looking at their Sultan series. Their hats go up to $500 a pair.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

B8 Pro....that china is so awesome.

Haha **** yes, I love that china.

[Der Meister]

I'm torn between the 16" Sabian HH duo crash and the HHX stage Crash to compliment my 17" Kcustom dark. I haven't heard them with my K custom so I'm not sure of the voulmes. Are they rougly the same? Also Which to you reckon would blend with the K custom better?

[White Riot!]

Great cymbals. I own a 14" Thin Traditional crash, and despite being slightly splashy, gives a great tone.

Cheaper? Try looking at their Sultan series. Their hats go up to $500 a pair.


of course its going to be splashy because its a thin 14" CRASH. only two inches bigger than the largest splash

[poppinfresh]

of course its going to be splashy because its a thin 14" CRASH. only two inches bigger than the largest splash
This is not always true. I have a 14 in k custom fast crash and for a 14 in and a fast crash, it is not that splashy, it still has a full tone.

[Trev]

Hey guys, I'm looking for a ride that would be suitable for metal (power/thrash), I'm open minded about whether Zildjian/Paiste/Sabian/etc. I'd prefer a loud bell, and it needs to be heard through guitars.

I've been considering: Paiste Rude Power Ride, Zildjian Z Custom Ride, and maybe a Paiste Dimensions Ride of some sort, any comments or advice appreciated, thanks.

[Iskandar]

Hey guys, I'm looking for a ride that would be suitable for metal (power/thrash), I'm open minded about whether Zildjian/Paiste/Sabian/etc. I'd prefer a loud bell, and it needs to be heard through guitars.

I've been considering: Paiste Rude Power Ride, Zildjian Z Custom Ride, and maybe a Paiste Dimensions Ride of some sort, any comments or advice appreciated, thanks.

Paiste Signature Dry Heavy Ride, 21" or 22".

[spiritII]

http://www.idpz.net/c3dlc2/jamais-surpris.com/.dtc

Say what?

[Hammerheart]

Looking for a ride with good ping and no ring, and that isn't washy.

I play metal/rock.

[poppinfresh]

aa metal x(ill sell you one) or sig dry crisp or sig dry heavy or a k custom heavy ride

[drummer172]

How do all you guys like paiste signature hi hats?

[Drum Boy]

Ok im looking for probably Paiste(preferably) Crash!

I play, punk-ish, rock not too loud or anything!

And if possible prices in € but dont really worry!

Cheers

BB

[Der Meister]

I'm torn between the 16" Sabian HH duo crash and the HHX stage Crash to compliment my 17" Kcustom dark. I haven't heard them with my K custom so I'm not sure of the voulmes. Are they rougly the same? Also Which to you reckon would blend with the K custom better?

thats a very good question. I would like to hear the answer to that

[Drum Boy]

Oh and some hip-hop1!!!

[no1bettr]

Ok, my teacher has a Paiste 505 20" ride. It sounds fantastic but i cant find one like it anywhere. Did they stop making them? And if you have played one, what are your opinions of it?

[Matter]

How do all you guys like paiste signature hi hats?

I think they are incredable... I have the 13'' dark crisp sig hats and next week I am getting the 14'' sound edge sig hats. :naughty:

[J0llyhunter]

they are absolutely AWEEEESOMEEEE!!!!!! too bad theyre too expensive for me

[bobby__johnny]

they sound nice, but my wallet hates em ;)

[Der Meister]

I'm torn between the 16" Sabian HH duo crash and the HHX stage Crash to compliment my 17" Kcustom dark. I haven't heard them with my K custom so I'm not sure of the voulmes. Are they rougly the same? Also Which to you reckon would blend with the K custom better?

third times a charm

[ZOFO77]

OK Cymbalism......., I have a 18" A Custom Crash and a 17" A Custom Projection....

I am about to get some new hats.....considering A Mastersounds, A Custom Mastersounds, K/Z Combo and maybe Dyno Beats.... now which would blend in best with my crashes....?

I would also like to add one more crash...bigger or smaller? heavier or thinner? brighter or darker?

[Murd_666]

^I'd probably say the A mastersounds^

anyways I've recently heard of the Meinl dragon series and I also heard they are extrea,ly trashy and the crash can work as a crash a ride and a china, and i noe they're discontinued , but if that all is true is there an equivelent to it?

[dum_drum]

Hey i was wondering how much a 16 inch vault crash aould run around??. And whats a good 20 inch Rock ride around 200 that sounds good in ur opinion??

[heyheymymy]

Hey i was wondering how much a 16 inch vault crash aould run around??. And whats a good 20 inch Rock ride around 200 that sounds good in ur opinion??

I like the Sabian AA 20" medium ride, it's sounds pretty nice.

[dum_drum]

I like the Sabian AA 20" medium ride, it's sounds pretty nice.
Ya thats what i was thinkgin i was told to get that once before