*** The Cymbal Finder *** [Archive] - Page 27

DrumIntoTheNight

06-09-2008, 04:42 PM

hmmm, also, if you cut the cymbal down from say a 19" to a 16" diameter, does this affect the quality? Would it be likely to crack again if it the crack was cut out?

Since you're changing drastically the proportion of bell to bow, it'll be likely to sound more bell-ish, if you get me, and that's often a bad thing. Plus, unless you're incredibly careful, you'll damage the integrity of the metal through heating and probably shorten the cymbals lifespan.

That said, there's nothing to lose on an already cracked cymbal.

But yeah anyway, opinions on the 20" Crash of Doom?

DJMastahFreddie

06-16-2008, 11:29 PM

I cracked my 18" crash I've had for a while and now I'm looking to replace it. I'm just looking for a nice sounding 18" crash that will go well with my sweet ride and A custom hats.

oliv_da_skinmasher

06-17-2008, 10:43 AM

Sabian AAX Studio Crash. A tasty thin cymbal with a relatively small bell. Quick response with a full, glassy and shimmering sound.

Paiste Signature Full Crash. A medium weight cymbal with a washy stick sound and medium sustain. It gives a really nice bright, warm and sparkling sound. It's a very versatile general purpose crash

Paiste Twenty Crash. Medium weight crash with a silvery stick sound, and again with a medium sustain. It has a great full open sound. It has a fantastic response. A very dynamic, full sounding crash cymbal for application in a very wide range of musical settings.

To name a few

bobby__johnny

06-18-2008, 09:16 AM

I cracked my 18" crash I've had for a while and now I'm looking to replace it. I'm just looking for a nice sounding 18" crash that will go well with my sweet ride and A custom hats.

what did you have before? what other crashes do you have now?

Panopticon

06-18-2008, 10:52 AM

Sabian AAX Studio Crash. A tasty thin cymbal with a relatively small bell. Quick response with a full, glassy and shimmering sound.

The studio crash is not glassy and shimmering at all.

oliv_da_skinmasher

06-18-2008, 11:35 AM

Aye it is. Mines glassy. shimmering maybe not so much but defo glassy.

And besides it is a nice cymbal

ant_182

06-20-2008, 04:18 PM

So then. X Hats. I can buy 12" Special recording hats for about £156 or get two splashes off ebay/new for around the same price. Or I can get something like these

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zildjian-ZXT-Mini-Hats-10_W0QQitemZ120274317231QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item12 0274317231&_trkparms=72%3A638%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Which will be loads cheaper. I'll have them tightly closed so would it make much difference between those and expensive hats? Cheers

an_original_name

06-20-2008, 04:27 PM

^^^ i can't comment on any of those, but i can say that a 10" wuhan splash on the bottom and 10" A custom splash on top sounds pretty darn nice as a set of mini hats.

T

EDIT:i didn't know there was such as thing as ZXT mini hats. you sure they're not just 2 10" ZXt splashes being sold as mini hats?

oliv_da_skinmasher

06-20-2008, 04:32 PM

They're ZHT not ZXT. And they aint too great

DJMastahFreddie

06-22-2008, 12:50 AM

what did you have before? what other crashes do you have now?

I have a 16" and 18" K custom dark crash. The only other crashes I have are ZBTs. I'm not sure if I want to go with the same type, I went with them at the recommendation of my drum teacher at the time. They really are great sounding cymbals, a shame I had to go and crack one of them.

bobby__johnny

06-22-2008, 01:13 AM

Check out some HHX imo. they'll fit in nice.

ant_182

06-22-2008, 06:29 AM

So if the ZHT's dont cut it, I'm left with 12" Recording hats £156 or so, 12" Remix hats £165 or more [ebay], 10" Recording Hats £130 or more [ebay]. or get 2 splashes. What would be a good combo? Z Custom Bottom and A/A Custom on top?

oliv_da_skinmasher

06-24-2008, 07:14 AM

I'd get some Recording hats. Either size tbh.

Well actually i'd say get 12" Twenty hats tbh lol

ant_182

06-24-2008, 01:21 PM

I'm not sure if 10" is too small or 12" too big... I just won the snare too, so thats another 170 I dont have lol

oliv_da_skinmasher

06-24-2008, 05:14 PM

Lol. I'd get 12" if i were u. Fuller sound

ant_182

06-25-2008, 06:48 AM

If I get more money I'll get them, just ran out!

Ryder99

06-26-2008, 12:12 PM

Hi im looking for an all round china cymbal not too expensive under £100. Something i can use for hardcore drumming

bobby__johnny

06-26-2008, 12:21 PM

Wuhan. you can get a few for that price

theflame85

07-02-2008, 09:53 AM

Have a look for an 18" Zildjian Oriental china trash. If they're more than 100pounds, check out some used ones. Definatly worth the cash though if your wallet can stretch that far. They've got a great hard crash, great for accents, and would definatly cut through in a hardcore style of music.

an_original_name

07-08-2008, 03:16 PM

so I'm trying to identify a cymbal. I saw it in my local store 3 or 4 years ago. The logo said it was a mini ride (probably somewhere between 14" and 16") with some kind of pearlescent effect on it. I'm pretty sure it was a Paiste, and it could have been a flat ride, but i really can't remember. I googled it and came up with nothing so i thought I'd try here.

Any help is appreciated.

T

bobby__johnny

07-08-2008, 08:14 PM

VFX mini ride. sabian sig for Tony Vederosa?

an_original_name

07-09-2008, 01:55 AM

^^^ could be. i googled VFX mini ride and came up with this http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?p=447005

there's a picture about half way down. They look kinda similar except the hammering pattern was much less noticeable on the one i saw.

T

bobby__johnny

07-09-2008, 07:00 AM

true, but those are the hats pictured. not the mini-ride.

i wouldnt mind finding a pair of Distortion Hats....just to say i have em :p

an_original_name

07-09-2008, 07:30 AM

^^^ ahh, my bad. it could well be the vfx mini ride then. i cant even remember how it sounded, only that i loved it to bits haha.

T

Aaron

07-14-2008, 07:05 AM

true, but those are the hats pictured. not the mini-ride.

i wouldnt mind finding a pair of Distortion Hats....just to say i have em :p
There's a pair that float around on ebay-Australia every few months. If you're serio I'll keep an eye out for you.

Aaron

07-14-2008, 07:09 AM

raz0r

07-14-2008, 09:02 AM

There's a pair that float around on ebay-Australia every few months. If you're serio I'll keep an eye out for you.

http://cgi.ebay.com/12-sabian-signature-vfx-distortion-top-hihat-cymbal_W0QQitemZ130238170551QQihZ003QQcategoryZ101 74QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Sabian-VFX-Distortion-12-Hats-Blue-Drum-Cymbal_W0QQitemZ140249403136QQihZ004QQcategoryZ101 74QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Saw those on ebay US

Aaron

07-17-2008, 08:32 AM

Cheers bra!

Chrysostom

07-28-2008, 10:29 AM

What are some good hats for heavy rock (think Sparta, Hell is For Heroes etc, real heavy drop D stuff)? Preferably Sabian. And I mean dark sounding hats, not bright - really not a fan of bright wherever I can avoid it. I've seen some 14" HHX Power Hats on the Sabian website. They any good?

bobby__johnny

07-28-2008, 10:32 AM

14" HHX Groove hats :thumb:

mind you my 14" AAX Studio hats are fairly dark sounding. they still cut though

fishbulb

07-28-2008, 03:09 PM

I like my Vault hats. They have a dark washy closed sound but are bright when opened up.

Drum Phil

07-28-2008, 04:41 PM

HHX power hats are fap worthy. Buy them or i'll beat you to death.

Chrysostom

07-29-2008, 12:11 PM

HHX power hats are fap worthy. Buy them or i'll beat you to death.

Ha ha. Aye aye Captain. Won't be for a looooong time though. I don't have that level of disposable cash.

ant_182

07-29-2008, 12:29 PM

Pair of 10" A Splashes goes well.

Yeh, but what combination would work well? I was thinking Z Custom on the bottom and a lighter cymbal on top

bobby__johnny

08-01-2008, 08:49 AM

i'm thinking 10" A bottom, 10" K Top.

Forlorn Hope

08-13-2008, 01:51 AM

This same request has probably been made, but I don't feel like searching through 300 pages of this.

I'm looking for a couple of crashes to replace my lame B8 Pro's. I like a bright (but not too harsh) sound with a nice fast attack and fairly quick-medium decay. Something suitable for in the studio and live. I'm looking to spend between $150-250 US on each cymbal. I'm in a metal/hardcore band, so it will have to fit that style of music. I'd like a 16 and 18 inch, or maybe a 14? The 18 has to have a nice bell too.

I'm also looking at rides. I like a bright ping with not too much wash underneath. Something very cutting with a nice bell of course. Same price range as above.

Thanks ahead of time.

Panopticon

08-13-2008, 02:11 AM

Tim

08-13-2008, 02:20 AM

I'm looking for a couple of crashes to replace my lame B8 Pro's. I like a bright (but not too harsh) sound with a nice fast attack and fairly quick-medium decay. Something suitable for in the studio and live. I'm looking to spend between $150-250 US on each cymbal. I'm in a metal/hardcore band, so it will have to fit that style of music. I'd like a 16 and 18 inch, or maybe a 14? The 18 has to have a nice bell too.

I'm also looking at rides. I like a bright ping with not too much wash underneath. Something very cutting with a nice bell of course. Same price range as above.

well if by nice bell you mean big i doubt you will find anything with quick decay. if your playing in a metal/hardcore band dont waste your time or money with a 14, your just going to beat the crap out of it trying to make it project when it just simply wont and then you end up putting too much abuse on it. I would recommend crashes that are medium-thin in 18' just because they will give you more projection, they wont have as much "decay" as a heavy crash. also when playing at faster speeds they are easier to open up. Thats actually a really good price range for crashes as well, around $200-$230 should get you up to 18's from Sabian AA or AAX as wel as Zildjian A and A customs. I own a 18inch AAX stage crash and I use it for multiple styles of music and i love it. It cuts, its soft when it needs to be, its not ridiculously heavy and its versatile.

As for rides i guess you could say im a bit stumped on a decision here.
I would suggest getting something with a fairly decent amount of wash(for loud music) because once you play live, if your in an unmic'd venue that ride wont sound very good, its going to sound very clanky and not very pingy. try looking into something maybe medium heavy, you get the cut from the cymbal but you also get a good tone out of it. AA medium heavy ride maybe?

Forlorn Hope

08-13-2008, 02:26 AM

Thanks for the suggestions. What would you say the tonal differences are between the AA and AAX, as well as the A and A customs? There aren't very many music shops around here otherwise I would just go try them out.

Tim

08-13-2008, 02:33 AM

well with AAX they are definately going to be more bright but also allow you to play them softer and still get a good sound out of them. with AA they are also bright although i dont think as much but they werent designed with the "auto focus" or whatever, which is the light and heavy playing. My experience with the AA medium thin crash was that it was just too much "decay" for me. they designed the bell to be bigger on that cymbal, even though its medium thin, to project more. wasnt really a fan of that one. though i do own an 18inch AA chinese and i love that thing to death. its trashy, loud, and it knows when to shut up.

Forlorn Hope

08-13-2008, 02:39 AM

Ah okay we have some slower sections in our songs so it sounds like the AAX is definitely a possibility. How about the Zildjian equivalents, do you have any experience with those?

Tim

08-13-2008, 02:43 AM

ummm zildjian i havent really had much experience with i do own a pair of 14inch sweet hats but that doesnt help you much. i believe the lines are similar though. AA=A series AAX=A custom. im almost positive thats the way it goes.

ant_182

08-13-2008, 07:35 AM

I would say A Customs are brighter, and the A's are more traditional?

an_original_name

08-13-2008, 07:44 AM

AA=A series AAX=A custom. im almost positive thats the way it goes.

thats pretty much how it works.

forlorn, maybe check out some AAXplosion crashes. I play a 16" and it does exactly what you want. opens up very quick with a fairly fast decay and cuts through very well. I would think that the bell on a larger one like 18 or 19" would be pretty nice too.

Drum Phil

08-13-2008, 01:46 PM

The bell on the 19" is beautiful.

bobby__johnny

08-13-2008, 03:44 PM

raw bells are win

an_original_name

08-13-2008, 03:56 PM

The bell on the 19" is beautiful.

The bell on my 16" is pretty decent too. Hasn't really got enough volume to cut through in louder situations, but I would imagine that the 19" will do.

the bell on my 16 is quite nice to use if your playing some more intricate stuff on the hihats or something and want a nice ping but without overpowering anything too much.

Kenny_Fever

08-14-2008, 12:11 AM

Okay I've heard nothing about Sabian XS20 cymbals.

So basically, are they any good?

I found an ad on kijiji from a guy looking to unload his XS20 hats (he claims they've only been used 6 or 7 times) for $140 CDN.

Is it worth it? Keep in mind that at this point I'm still rocking the Solars. UGH.

Artyr

08-14-2008, 01:10 AM

I have a set of XS20's (hats, crash, ride) and I love em. They have warm overtones with a bright attack that makes them very middle of the road. The hats have a nice shimmer to them. So yeah, I say get them.

Aaron

08-14-2008, 07:15 AM

Iskandar

08-14-2008, 04:02 PM

I was going to say 20" A Ping.

My love.

an_original_name

08-14-2008, 04:35 PM

Okay I've heard nothing about Sabian XS20 cymbals.

So basically, are they any good?

I found an ad on kijiji from a guy looking to unload his XS20 hats (he claims they've only been used 6 or 7 times) for $140 CDN.

as far as i know the XC20's are considered intermediate cymbals. better and more expensive than the B8's, but they dont quite rival AA/AAX/HH/HHX etc.

bobby__johnny

08-14-2008, 05:17 PM

i have an 18" XS20 Rock crash. served me well. but was a bit gongy sounding.

made a nice washy ride though.

the medium-thin crashes are pretty good. and i liked the pair of hats i heard. thats about my extent with em.

fishbulb

08-14-2008, 05:20 PM

as far as i know the XC20's are considered intermediate cymbals. better and more expensive than the B8's, but they dont quite rival AA/AAX/HH/HHX etc.

B8 - 8% tin, 92% bronze, sheet cymbal

XS20 - 20% tin, 80% bronze, sheet cymbal (same lathing patterns as B8)

AAX/AA/HH/HHX - 20% tin, 80% bronze, cast cymbal

So essentially XS20 are made the same way as B8 cymbals (for the most part) but with a different metal.

bobby__johnny

08-14-2008, 05:22 PM

i wouldnt say the lathing is the same at all. they're closer in lathing to an AA Metal-X cymbal.

an_original_name

08-14-2008, 05:23 PM

B8 - 8% tin, 92% bronze, sheet cymbal

XS20 - 20% tin, 80% bronze, sheet cymbal (same lathing patterns as B8)

AAX/AA/HH/HHX - 20% tin, 80% bronze, cast cymbal

So essentially XS20 are made the same way as B8 cymbals (for the most part) but with a different metal.

20% tin 80% bronze is considered to be better (generally speaking of course) than 8% tin 92% bronze is it not?

ant_182

08-14-2008, 05:23 PM

Anyone have any thoughts on the K Custom Crash Rides? I was thinking of replaceing my A Custom Ride with one

bobby__johnny

08-14-2008, 06:31 PM

20% tin 80% bronze is considered to be better (generally speaking of course) than 8% tin 92% bronze is it not?

would you consider playing XS20's over 2002's? i'd think not.

an_original_name

08-14-2008, 06:43 PM

never played 2002's so i cant really say haha. seriously though i get where your coming from.

just out of curiosity, is there is any difference in durability between different alloys?

bobby__johnny

08-14-2008, 06:47 PM

the 8% bronze will be softer naturally because of the Higher copper content.

likewise, if either alloy isnt tempered (heat treated) properly, both will be brittle and break easily.

to say 1 is better than the other is like saying Birch or Maple is better than the other. it comes down to WAY more than Simple composition

Panopticon

08-14-2008, 08:29 PM

I'm looking for a new crash to replace my 18" AAXplosion. Something loud, bright and explosive. I was thinking 18" AAX stage crash. but i'm not sure.

If the store has another 18" AAXplosion then i'll buy that but i need it somewhat urgently and don't have time to order anything in. I'd also like to try something different anyway.

suggestions?

bobby__johnny

08-14-2008, 08:30 PM

another 18" AAXplosion would be different.

but with that said, Vault crash?

Panopticon

08-14-2008, 08:34 PM

i've tried some vault crashes and i'll admit i didn't like what i heard. I can't put my finger on why, i just remember i didn't like it, but i'll try some more.

My main problem is every time i get a crash that sounds like it'll blend, it usually ends up not being that great. eg 18" AAX studio crash, and 18" A Custom fast crash...the AAX is pretty quiet and sort of dull, and the A Custom sounds like a big splash lol.

bobby__johnny

08-14-2008, 09:00 PM

bring your other cymbals along to try out with.

fishbulb

08-14-2008, 09:06 PM

A Customs crashes are very similar to Vaults, so try those as well.

Iskandar

08-14-2008, 11:54 PM

Anyone have any thoughts on the K Custom Crash Rides? I was thinking of replaceing my A Custom Ride with oneI'm not a fan of crash-rides in general. Too washy.

Aaron

08-15-2008, 12:31 AM

^ If you're looking for something to replace your crash and ride you'll be disappointed. A crash-ride is neither a crash nor a ride, they're good as crash-rides though.

Iskandar

08-15-2008, 12:45 AM

Crash-rides aren't really good for anything if you ask me. Certainly not better than an A Custom ride.:)

Aaron

08-15-2008, 01:08 AM

I like them, but only a handful of models [20" K, 19" Armand BB, 20" Istanbul Traditional]. They're great when used right. Depends on your needs.

Didn't knew you were a drummer.

Iskandar

08-15-2008, 01:14 AM

I like them, but only a handful of models [20" K, 19" Armand BB, 20" Istanbul Traditional]. They're great when used right. Depends on your needs.

Didn't knew you were a drummer.Yes, I've played for about 6 years. I used to post here a lot more.

I believe we are cymbal twins.:)

Aaron

08-15-2008, 07:45 AM

haha. ilu twinny.

Iskandar

08-15-2008, 02:54 PM

I think you said you had New Beats, Ping Ride and two A Medium-thin crashes? That's what I have. And a china.

Aaron

08-16-2008, 07:40 AM

Serio? wow, good pick by me. Nah I've got Ks/K Customs/Wuhans. You've got good taste though.

Iskandar

08-16-2008, 07:49 AM

Serio? wow, good pick by me. Nah I've got Ks/K Customs/Wuhans. You've got good taste though.A's are the ****. But I love K's too. K Custom Dark ride is the sex.

Aaron

08-16-2008, 07:54 AM

13" K/Z Hats
12" Wuhan/K Hats
20" Wuhan Medium-Thin Ride
22" K Heavy Ride
19" K China
16" K Custom Special Dry Crash
8"/10" Wuhan Tradtional Splash
10" A Splash

I want to get a nice medium-thin crash, A probably, what you think?

Drum Phil

08-16-2008, 07:56 AM

Byzance ;-)

Aaron

08-16-2008, 08:15 AM

I've got a 6" Byzance Splash on the way in the mail as we speak. kekeke.

Drum Phil

08-16-2008, 08:43 AM

18" Byzance medium-thin crash = Secks

Though the darks would blend well with your other stuff

Aaron

08-16-2008, 09:01 AM

I was thinking an A because I want something a bit brighter [comparatively speaking].
I've got the dark side of my cymbals covered, just want something nice and balanced.

Drum Phil

08-16-2008, 09:28 AM

Byzance brilliants?

an_original_name

08-16-2008, 09:40 AM

I want to get a nice medium-thin crash, A probably, what you think?

i used to play an 18" medium thin A. really nice cymbal.

Iskandar

08-16-2008, 12:36 PM

bobby__johnny

08-16-2008, 01:06 PM

Aaron

08-16-2008, 09:25 PM

Thanks for the advice so far. Iskandar/Bobby; it's to replace a 16" HHX Power Crash. I love that crash, but it doesn't pair well with my K Custom.

Had a bit of a search; what you guys think of a Ufip Class/Experience/Extatic Crash to add to my setup?

Iskandar

08-18-2008, 01:47 AM

Why not another K Custom?

Panopticon

08-18-2008, 02:02 AM

ufip naturals are creamworthy

Aaron

08-18-2008, 05:23 AM

Why not another K Custom?
you're a genius! hehe. dunno why i thought of another K, haha. what model do you think?

Iskandar

08-18-2008, 03:57 PM

Medium-Thin Crash, of course.:)

Aaron

08-18-2008, 06:59 PM

kekeke will czech them out. cheers.

matt_h

08-23-2008, 05:19 AM

I'm currently trying to find cymbals for the drum kit at church (currently has 2 stands but no cymbals except for the HiHat).

Being a church drum kit, is wont be played hard at all (most of the time with plastic brushes (http://www.omegamusic.nl/flix/smorange.jpg) and wont be played for than twice a week. And the churches are small (100 people max) so it's not like the huge churches some of you americans are used to.

Biggest issue is price (2 crashes and a ride for around £100), and value for money. I'm scouring ebay for bargains, but I've never owned a kit (I'm a self-taught guy who plays on a yamaha dd55 drum machine), and so am unsure what is a good deal, what to look for etc.

I've been told to look out for B8's which I understand are good beginner level cymbals, as well as for bargain inter/pro level cymbals. I've also found a lot of Paiste 101's and am very tempted but what I've been told so far hasn't been great though it has also been very vague - can people confirm how suitable 101's are for the use I need of them?

Currently on ebay, there are 2 good cymbals ending in the next day:
Sabian AA Medium Thin 17 inch Crash Cymbal
Sabian AAX Stage Crash Cymbal 16
For a total of £80 inc. shipping. Considering I need a ride plus a stand, is it really worth paying another £50 (churches arent made of money over here) for what they are needed for (please remember the context guys!).

And I've found a Sabian Pro Sonix Ride for £28 with a day and a bit to go, which I'm almost definitely going to go for unless someone advises against it. (edits post again) and theres also a 16" Crash from the same guy for a similar price.

Thanks in advance for any opinions (and please be quick, the thin crash closes in an hour!).

Iskandar

08-23-2008, 01:47 PM

Pro Sonix are decent. I recorded with then once.

crazyguy832

08-23-2008, 07:00 PM

Hey matt.

:D

To clarify: the 101's, while okay cymbals, are not nearly as good as they used to be. It's possible that you would buy them and regret it not too much later.

Next time a good cymbal like that comes up on eBay, snatch it up. However, try and get a good ride first. Personally, I would rather have a good ride and one good crash than a good/decent ride and two decent crashes.

Drum Phil

08-23-2008, 07:19 PM

I have pro sonix hats and a pro sonix crash and both are great for the price.

matt_h

08-24-2008, 07:19 AM

Hey crazyguy - sorry for coming here, wanted extra opinions as noone else was bothering at MX and with a few items ending soon wanted opinions quickly :P

Didnt get the AAX Crash, outbidded at the last second, when if I'd listened to my head and rebidded a couple of quid more to counter I would have got it... I'm such an ebay amateur :D

crazyguy832

08-24-2008, 10:41 AM

Don't apologize, haha, I would've done the same if only one person replied to my topic.

Ah, well, eBay's a bitch, there's a reason I pretty much avoid it.

Drum Phil

08-24-2008, 10:42 AM

I replied too >.> In a manner of speaking.

matt_h

08-24-2008, 11:17 AM

@ Phil, not at new-MX, thats where I originally posted.

matt_h

08-24-2008, 02:10 PM

Woot... got a £44 Pro Sonix Crash (inc. P&P). Missed out on 2 Rides and 2 other crashes so far (I'm new at eBay, so my tactics aren't great so far - keep leaving it too late and bidding when closed XD).

fishbulb

08-24-2008, 03:18 PM

It's good to watch similar items to see how much they are going for so you can judge a good deal when you see one.

When i bought a crash for myself on eBay i spent a month testing the waters to find a good deal.

matt_h

08-24-2008, 04:35 PM

Well considering most Paiste 101's, Planet Z's and Solars are going for not much less and the RRP is around £90 more... I say good deal (though admittedly it looks unlike I'm gonna get 3 good cymbals for under £100).

ace76543

08-24-2008, 04:46 PM

good deal on ebay = cheaper than you can get irl

Drum Phil

08-24-2008, 05:00 PM

This might surprise you but, ebay is part of real life :o

Iskandar

09-02-2008, 07:29 PM

I think I lost my only splash:(:(

Aaron

09-02-2008, 07:40 PM

I think I lost my only splash:(:(
You lost it? How'd you do that?

I'll never be un-splash'd. I've got 8. I'm an idiot with splashes. I love them.

Iskandar

09-02-2008, 07:42 PM

You lost it? How'd you do that?

I'll never be un-splash'd. I've got 8. I'm an idiot with splashes. I love them.I couldn't find it when I went to set up my kit. I don't know where it went. I hope it's still around because I loved that little bugger.:(

Aaron

09-02-2008, 07:43 PM

What was it?

Iskandar

09-03-2008, 12:11 PM

10" Pro Sonix. I bought it in a pack with a 14" china and they were the first cymbals I ever bought.

ant_182

09-03-2008, 04:59 PM

You lost it? How'd you do that?

I'll never be un-splash'd. I've got 8. I'm an idiot.

....we know....

Just kidding. Ebay is brilliant for gear. I spend too much time on it though

DemonicRubberDucky

09-04-2008, 02:55 PM

I have an 18'' AAXplosion that i'm using as my primary accent crash...

Anyone wanna recommend a nice, dark crash that's a little more ride-able? I'm thinking bigger size for this one, too.

Aaron

09-05-2008, 01:32 AM

20" K Crash-Ride

ludvista29

09-05-2008, 07:11 PM

21 K Brilliant Crash Ride

Aaron

09-06-2008, 11:33 PM

I'll see your 21 and bet 22!

ant_182

09-07-2008, 06:38 AM

I see your 22 and bet 24" K Light ride XD

DemonicRubberDucky

09-07-2008, 06:10 PM

:eek: i see all of your measurements and bet 50'' symphonic gong! :eek:

oliv_da_skinmasher

09-07-2008, 07:32 PM

80" Symphonic FTW.

But seriously go with summat around the 20/21" mark.

pow3rtr1p

09-07-2008, 07:38 PM

I'm looking for 2 crashes, one as a chorus crash, the other as an accent crash, that are musical, but can still cut through loud rock music un-mic'd, with fairly short decay, without sounding trashy or clangy. Instan response is good, too.

I was thinking 15" and 17" AAXPlosions. Would they fit the bill?

oliv_da_skinmasher

09-07-2008, 08:45 PM

Should do. Try em out and see what you think

pow3rtr1p

09-07-2008, 09:11 PM

None of the local stores carry AAXPlosions, even though they carry Sabian, and I have a feeling if they ordered them, I'd get screwed into buying them either way.

Aaron

09-07-2008, 10:03 PM

I'd go 16" and 18". 15"s a bit small.

oliv_da_skinmasher

09-08-2008, 08:43 AM

Actually if he's lookin for really fast accents 15" is a great size. Nice and strong sounding witha quick decay(ususally) I've got a 15" 2002 and its great

spirit

09-08-2008, 11:05 AM

I'd go 16" and 18". 15"s a bit small.

I don't like 16".

Just thought I'd join in.

15" should be cool. If you find it's not cutting, return it and get something bigger, or keep it and buy something bigger. Don't try to get more volume out of it if it's not loud enough, you'll just crack it.

ant_182

09-08-2008, 04:26 PM

Look into the A Custom line? You can get a fast crash for a quick decay?

Aaron

09-16-2008, 12:10 AM

I'd still go bigger and thinner.

Forlorn Hope

09-19-2008, 11:16 PM

So I was browsing the cymbals at Guitar Center today looking for crashes to eventually replace my crappy Sabian B8 Pro's, and I came across the K Custom Hybrids. I really liked the 15 and 17 inch ones, and the 19 wasn't bad, but a little to large for my liking. I'm in a metalcore band, so I'm not sure if these cymbals would be a good match. I liked the sound of the Hybrids better than any of the others I tried (A Customs, Sabian AAX, Z Customs)

Anyways, I just wanted to know if they would be durable enough and cut through enough for metalcore music. Also what sized pairs would you recommend? I definitely want the 17, and not so much the 19. Would a 17 and 18 clash? Or maybe a 16 and 17?

LoneStarDrummer

09-19-2008, 11:42 PM

you're not going to have to worry about the sounds clashing if they are all going to be hybrids. they will all complement each other very nicely.

as far as being durable enough, it all depends. i'd imagine that a metalcore band is rather loud and aggressive. sizes like 15" and 16" really don't project as loud as you're probably gonna want. whacking the hell out of them in order to get a loud sound will definitely reduce the life of them. it also won't really make them any louder either.

i'm also only aware of a 17 and 19 inch models for hybrids. if you're in a metalcore band i wouldn't get anything less than 17 and the 19 will give you some nice volume.

if you like the 17, i'd imagine you'd like the 19 as well. maybe you just need to hear it in a better room or in the context of music.

ant_182

09-20-2008, 02:17 AM

I have the 19" It's Godly! But its cracked after a few months use. I'm sending it back to get it replaced as I think this time it was a factory error. But it could well be my fault! I do hit hard and have my cymbals flatter and higher then the average person...

Also they released more to the line lonestar. I think, it was 15 16 18 crashes and 14 1/4 hats? But they're seriously nice cymbals. They project really well (apparently due to the unlathed bell)

LoneStarDrummer

09-20-2008, 01:47 PM

oh alright, thanks ant. they've got a whole slew of sizes now. i wouldn't mind having an 18" model, although i don't fully remember their sound since it's been a while since i last heard them.

crazyguy832

09-22-2008, 06:02 PM

I have the 17" K Custom hybrid crash. It cuts okay, but not nearly as good as, say, a similar sized AAX, A Custom, or other "bright" cymbal. Definetely great as a secondary crash or an accent crash, but not a main, especially for metal.

(that said, I love the sound of it to bits :p )

AfroMan

09-24-2008, 07:20 PM

Im looking at buying a 20" Crash. Definitley looking for a bright and explosive sound. I was looking at either the Sabian AAXplosion or Zilidjian A Custom Rezo. Whadyathink?

LoneStarDrummer

09-24-2008, 09:26 PM

this post prob won't be of much help since i don't have experience with that zild in order to compare, but the sabian is a real nice one for sure.

definitely lives up to its name and the general sound you seem to want.

Aaron

09-24-2008, 09:47 PM

Depends if you want a really clear sound or something that shimmers [ie the ReZo].

AfroMan

09-25-2008, 01:44 PM

Hmm... by that do you mean the Sabian has a quicker decay? Id be using it as more of a 'chorus' crash than an 'accent' crash so would that make the ReZo's shimmer the better option?

I can't see myself being dissapointed with an AAX to be honest but I've been curious about the ReZo ever since I heard it was one of Zildjian's most explosive cymbals... looks good too.

Aaron

09-29-2008, 04:33 AM

No I mean that it's got a different style of decay.
Picture the same length decay, but one alot more vibrato-y.

Tim

09-29-2008, 09:38 PM

so this is just a general brag but i picked up a 19 inch virgil donati saturation crash with 3 rivets for $80. Its freakin sweet.

Aaron

09-29-2008, 11:23 PM

:eek:
want

Muad_Dib

10-18-2008, 06:23 PM

Hello everyone!

I'm new here, and this is my first post.

I recently purchased a pair of Paiste (2002 Sound edge) hats that are almost ideal, but are just not quite articulate or bright enough for my taste.

I am looking for a pair that are bright, clean and not too washy sounding, but at the same time not too thin sounding either.

I am also looking for the ideal crash ride, something to fill in the space in heavy, drop tuned sort of riffs (one of my bands typically uses drop Db or C tuning).

Any help will be appreciated! Thanks.

I also was wondering what section would be best for questions about drum mics?

ant_182

10-19-2008, 03:28 PM

14" Mastersounds? A or A Customs?

Muad_Dib

10-19-2008, 04:41 PM

Any Sabian suggestions?

I own a couple of cymbals by the Big three and i think sabian are my favorite.

I've played As before, not what I'm looking for. Maybe I'm not good at describing what I had in mind.

The Mastersound clips on the Zildjian Website sound good though. I was thinking something brighter maybe?

Aaron

10-19-2008, 04:57 PM

Check out the UFIP Class Series. Exactly what you described.

crazyguy832

10-19-2008, 05:31 PM

For the crash, look into AAX. Specifically, the Bright series between 17"-19".

For the hats... agreed as far as A or A Custom Mastersounds go.

ant_182

10-21-2008, 02:42 PM

I think the a customs are brighter for the mastersounds, although I now miss my a mastersounds :(

Lem0n

10-30-2008, 05:19 PM

Going into my local music store to check out some cymbals next week.

Im looking for a crashable ride, 20" preferably. Any suggestions?

Aaron

10-31-2008, 04:58 AM

20" K Crash-Ride

LoneStarDrummer

10-31-2008, 10:24 AM

I also was wondering what section would be best for questions about drum mics?

i'd use the search feature first, if it's working. there have been numerous threads on the subject. there's a member on here named chippy who seems to know quite a bit on the subject. you can find his answers in a lot of old threads.

if you can't find what you're looking for or the search feature isn't working (happens often) the post the thread in the gear and media section.

chewaz

11-21-2008, 10:27 AM

my new babies

http://fc27.deviantart.com/fs39/i/2008/326/e/2/9_by_Cnewaz.jpg
http://fc46.deviantart.com/fs38/i/2008/326/7/2/8_by_Cnewaz.jpg

oliv_da_skinmasher

11-22-2008, 06:44 PM

Very nice choices

Damo

11-22-2008, 08:04 PM

Just sold two of my cymbals today. In the next few weeks Ill be changing over the majority of my cymbals (including prototypes) for some new stock. My sponsorship with Sabian Australia encourages me to keep bringing newer models into my setup.

Just sold an 18" HHX Stage and 19" HHXplosion crash and added 16 & 18 Evolution crashes.

Its good having new gear!

Seafroggys

11-24-2008, 02:14 AM

18" Classic Crash = :thumb:

Probably my favorite crash right now.

DemonicRubberDucky

11-26-2008, 11:50 AM

Recommend me a very dark crash that can take more of a beating than Sabian Evolutions.

Aaron

11-26-2008, 09:53 PM

Question for Jezen; where can I get a Zildaisteabian 66" Heavy Gospel Ride?

sleepless

12-01-2008, 08:49 PM

oliv_da_skinmasher

12-01-2008, 09:47 PM

The new sigs wouldnt be my first choices but yeah they look like good picks

sleepless

12-01-2008, 11:08 PM

The new sigs wouldnt be my first choices but yeah they look like good picks

Why is that?

I liked the Dark Energy hats because they reminded me of my Sabian favorites, the HHX Power hats.

And my mistake, the Dark Metal Ride is Signature, not New Sig.

oliv_da_skinmasher

12-02-2008, 07:22 AM

They just wouldn't have been my first choice. Theres hats I prefer over the new sigs thats all

LoneStarDrummer

12-02-2008, 01:51 PM

Preparing to leave Sabian and become a Paiste artist...

What do you think of my choices:

14 New Signature Dark Energy Hats
17 Signature Reflector Heavy Full Crash
20 New Signature Dark Metal Ride
18 Signature Full Crash

The hats and the ride look soooo sick.
sig full and mellow cashes are so freaking beautiful sounding. i love those things, but they're so damn pricey.

dark energy hats are nice. i own a pair of hhx power hats (my favorite as well) so they would make a nice piaste replacement. however, i would probably go with something more crisp. if i were to go with piaste, i'd being using full and mellow crashes, so i'd want something to compliment the overall sound.

i''ve never played that ride or any of the reflector series.

raz0r

12-02-2008, 03:12 PM

Preparing to leave Sabian and become a Paiste artist...

What do you think of my choices:

14 New Signature Dark Energy Hats
17 Signature Reflector Heavy Full Crash
20 New Signature Dark Metal Ride
18 Signature Full Crash

The hats and the ride look soooo sick.

A Dark Metal ride with dark energy hats?

Couldn't really be further apart in sound/volume.

That dark metal ride will be LOUD and one dimensional.

And those new signatures are nothing like HHX Power Hats :S

sleepless

12-02-2008, 04:01 PM

They sound a lot a like, actually. They might not be the same in weight and profile.

Have you played each of these in person, or are these merely educated suppositions? No offense intended of course, just curious.

I haven't heard the ride in person, unfortunately.

And yeah, Sigs are expensive but I'm getting everything at about cost +shipping.

LoneStarDrummer

12-02-2008, 04:41 PM

well, i've never played or heard those dark energy hats in person, but based off the sound clip they do indeed sound similar to hhx power hats.

i've been told that paiste's sound clips are pretty accurate and from what i can tell from their full and mellow crashes, the sound clips do indeed give you a good bases to go off of.

Mirror.Circuit

12-24-2008, 10:25 PM

A Dark Metal ride with dark energy hats?

Couldn't really be further apart in sound/volume.

That dark metal ride will be LOUD and one dimensional.

And those new signatures are nothing like HHX Power Hats :S

dark metal isn't a metal genre ride like a z custom or anything.
it's a different kind of metal than they use on their normal rides i'm pretty sure.

raz0r

12-25-2008, 05:39 AM

dark metal isn't a metal genre ride like a z custom or anything.
it's a different kind of metal than they use on their normal rides i'm pretty sure.

It's not 'officially' a metal ride but it plays exactly like one.
I think the dark colour is just a visual thing, I don't think it affects the sound.

Just because the sound clips sound the same, it doesn't mean the cymbals will play the same.
They might sound the same at one volume, but completely different at another.

Artyr

12-30-2008, 04:46 PM

Hey guys, I'm looking for an 18" crash that will contrast well with my Xs20 Med-thin 16". Preferably something a little darker, but with great resonance, that can be ridden a little. I'll look at any company, but my price range is about $200-$300. Preferably lower, though I can look on Ebay or something. Thanks!

Panopticon

12-30-2008, 04:59 PM

18" AAXplosion or 19"

Aaron

12-31-2008, 09:38 PM

18" K Crash-Ride

ant_182

01-14-2009, 04:56 PM

For anyone wanting to know what the Pitch Black cymbals from Zildjian sound like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_4YRG-Z-1k

Panopticon

01-19-2009, 12:49 PM

uh oh travis is doing drugs.

MeaninglessPhoto

01-20-2009, 12:52 PM

Maybe its the video, but those crashes sounded muted as hell.

sleepless

01-20-2009, 01:37 PM

Its the video, because you really can't tell how shitty they sound.

ripitkyle77

01-20-2009, 02:28 PM

Can anybody suggest a good maker of congas?

Aaron

01-20-2009, 02:48 PM

Toca or Meinl are good places to start if you don't have deep pockets.
Gon Bops if you do.

poppinfresh

01-29-2009, 04:58 PM

AdictAddict

02-06-2009, 04:39 PM

ant_182

02-06-2009, 04:52 PM

k's are dark and warm

AdictAddict

02-06-2009, 05:16 PM

true, though my concern with most k's is that they are too dry/not versatile enough for rock. Any more rock oriented k's? i dunno.

spirit

02-06-2009, 05:59 PM

true, though my concern with most k's is that they are too dry/not versatile enough for rock. Any more rock oriented k's? i dunno.

Rick Allen
http://www.zildjian.com/en-US/products/configurator/default.ad2?artistID=2587

Jason Bonham
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/artists/artistDetail.ad2?artistID=2673

Mike Bordin
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/artists/artistDetail.ad2?artistID=1037

Riley Breckenridge
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/artists/artistDetail.ad2?artistID=2721

Dave Buckner
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/artists/artistDetail.ad2?artistID=1049

Gavin Harrison
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/artists/artistDetail.ad2?artistID=2858

Jeff Plate
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/artists/artistDetail.ad2?artistID=3078

Gil Sharone
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/artists/artistDetail.ad2?artistID=3042

Anything else?

Mirror.Circuit

02-12-2009, 03:53 PM

Don't forget Zak Starkey.
He uses 20" K Crash/Rides for his crashes.

Peacedrumguy

03-18-2009, 02:27 AM

I need a new pair of hats, I play mostly rock but i like a good dark, warm sound to em. I really like the hhx stage line for my ride and cymbals, but haven't heard the hats yet. Any other cymbals that you think fit the bill? Thanks for any help.

Check out 15" Istanbul Agop Sultan series. 14"s if you don't want to go as big as 15s. Sound even better than they look!

http://www.heartbeatpercussion.com/images/Sultan-hats-200.jpg

Emim

03-18-2009, 07:00 PM

I'm looking for a good all around crash and ride set that is fairly affordable. A 14-16 inch crash and 20 inch ride are preferable...any help would be appreciated.

billdrum

03-18-2009, 08:33 PM

What do you mean by "affordable"?

There's no sense in buying something less than a good Zildjian or Sabian or the like, unless you've currently got nothing and just need something to hit. If you buy less, you're just going to want the real thing later anyway.

There are some brands that are passable, but less expensive than the above mentioned...these include Dream Bliss, Wuhan, Saluda. Still though, their sound is not for everyone, and usually are not well suited to rock styles.

I'd say stick with Zildjain A's or A customs for good all-purpose cymbals. Save up if you haven't got the cash now.

Seafroggys

03-19-2009, 01:56 AM

Yeah I really recommend Zildjian A or Sabian AA, some of the best cymbals ever made, and oddly enough, the least expensive of the pro lines. Paiste 2002 is probably my favorite overall, but you're spending a lot more money there.

Peacedrumguy

03-19-2009, 02:26 AM

I'm looking for a good all around crash and ride set that is fairly affordable. A 14-16 inch crash and 20 inch ride are preferable...any help would be appreciated.

I saw the new Xist series from Istanbul at NAMM this year. Comes in a boxed set of 14 hats, 16 crash, 20 ride, plus they were saying that an 18" crash and a bag would be included at no charge. The prices were lower than the other hand made hand hammered sets from Istanbul and Alchemy, but were still hand hammered and availalbe in either traditional finish or brilliant. Sounded really good! Might not be available yet though. The Sultan series (like the pic I posted the other day) is also available in a boxed set and I know it works out better than buying the cymbals individually, plus there is a decent bag included too.