*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[CitiZeN_3rAseD]

Haha won't hold that against you. I joke. Dapto dogs all the way.
Grab me if you need a hand anytime.


Will do mate, it's good to see some friendliness on the web, had a few bad run-ins in other forums so its about time for a change-up.:thumb:

[ant_182]

He wants something dry and dark, and while the 2002s kick ***, they are really neither.

I did not read fully. What a dimwit.. still 18" FTW

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

He wants something dry and dark, and while the 2002s kick ***, they are really neither.

2002's must be bought lol.

BY ALL

[Drum Phil]

Am i the only one who doesnt find 2002s interesting at all? :-/

[Seafroggys]

Probably.

I love my 2002 crash.

[Drum Phil]

To me they're just like new beats. Too meat + potatoes. A tad too bland :-/

[Seafroggys]

I honestly fail to see how any cymbal can be "too bland." Every cymbal has a flavor. Its like vanilla ice cream. How can people describe it as being "too bland" when it has a flavor that's just as strong and just as good as any other ice cream flavor?

[Drum Phil]

Might i point out here that i used the term "To me" to replace "In my opinion" :-/

New beats + 2002s dont have that special characteristic that makes me want to use them.

And your metaphore is just wrong. We're talking about personal taste and you're babbling on about flavour? An accurate metaphore would be "Why would anyone choose vanilla when their favourite flavour is Strawberry Cheescake"

[Drum Phil]

Also, i want a new ride.

Depending how much i prefer it to my main ride, it may be a left side or my plat may move to the left.

Qualities: 20", might consider something smaller if its good enough, but unlikely.
Dark. And i mean DARK. Not slightly dingier than bright.
Dryish but with a little wash.
PING. Nuff said.
Dont care about brand.

[spirit]

K Custom Special Dry Ride. Or the Dry Light, or just Dry. The Hybrid may also work.

Paiste may do something you'd like, but I'm not familiar enough with their range.

[Drum Phil]

They do. Unfortunately, dark energies are way out of my range :(

[spirit]

They do. Unfortunately, dark energies are way out of my range :(

That's the one.

Meinl not do something like that?

[Drum Phil]

Ive been looking at the 20" Byzance Dark Ride and 20" Byzance Heavy Ride

[Imperial Star]

Does anyone have any experience with the K Custom 20" heavy rides?
Does it have the nice K custom characteristics or is it just an expensive pingy ride?

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

I didn't know they made a k custom heavy ride... there is a k heavy ride that is quite nice and a k custom ride which is also nice and not as dissimilar as you would think (not the k custom medium ride - they sound very different).

The k heavy ride is an expensive pingy ride, but because it is a high quality ride that imo sounds nice. Quite a few people on here own them unlike me so they can probably help you.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Also, i want a new ride.

Depending how much i prefer it to my main ride, it may be a left side or my plat may move to the left.

Qualities: 20", might consider something smaller if its good enough, but unlikely.
Dark. And i mean DARK. Not slightly dingier than bright.
Dryish but with a little wash.
PING. Nuff said.
Dont care about brand.

Hybrid would (I'd imagine) not be dry enough.. try the K custom dry ride; I own one and it is dark, v little wash, fairly dry. It's quite quiet though, and not being bright the ping doesn't cut as much as other dry/ping rides, which can be a bonus or a negative point depending on application, but yeah, give it a go. I'm personally thinking of getting a 2nd ride, one that is brighter and louder and "rockier"if you know what I mean (most rides are rockier than the k custom dry ride - although the dry ride is okay for rock type music dont get me wrong).

Does anyone have any opinions of the Sabian AA 20" china, good alternatives, etc.?

[Imperial Star]

oh yeah I meant the K heavy ride.
Whats the difference between K's and K Customs?

[Drum Phil]

Well i already own an Avedis Platinum Rock ride :)

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Should be good for you then I'd imagine - go try one out.

[Orely]

Well, I have heard some sample of the Sabian HHX Studio crash cymbal and I really like how it sounds. It's exactly the sound im looking for, however im a hard hitter and im wondering how much beating can this cymbal take.

Any help is appreciated.

[Drum Phil]

Due to it being a HHX its fairly thin. Thin cymbals can take more of a beating due to them having more flex in them than thicker ones.

[sleepless]

As the name Studio implies, it's more suited for light playing and miced situations.

I'm not 100% sure but you might be able to get close to the sonic characteristics with the Stage version if there is one. I wouldn't be sure without hearing it in person, and neither could you with an HHX.

As far as the Stage counterparts durability, I use an 18 AAX Stage Crash. One of the best cymbals I've ever purchased. I had it for almost two years before it broke.

The only reason why it broke is because I was lent out to my friend who was on tour with his local band, and he beats the piss out of cymbals on stage.

You could stick with the Studio and have it bend rather than break...either way with time you're going to end up with a ****ed up cymbal.

[Aaron]

If you're a hard hitter, go for bigger sizes rather than thicker cymbals. As Phil said, thin gives it flex, and by making the cymbal bigger there's more area to flex. When I play heavier stuff life I use 18" and 20" cymbals that are medium-thin or thin because of this.

[Drum Phil]

Yeah i use an 18" Thin and 19" Medium Thin when im only using the 2.

[haggard2743]

I'm looking for some new cymbals.
I like bright cymbals with a fastish decay. I like it to sound really explosive kinda like a large china. Any ideas?

[drummguy731]

Well, a bright and large china is kind of a contradiction. Larger chinas tend to be darker and trashier. I'd suggest looking into the Evolution O-Zone crashes or the A Custom Effects crash. 18" or 20" is probably your best bet.

[crazyguy832]

The Z Custom 20" I tried today was extremely bright.

I would've bought it as it was only $105 used... but then I found the crack.

V_V

*sighs*

I guess we can't get that amazing deal every day.

[drummguy731]

Dang, that sucks. I hate it when that happens.

[haggard2743]

When I was referring to the china i was talking about how explosive they are and they have a fast decay, not the trashy darkness although I am looking for a second crash like that too. Any ideas there?

[Imperial Star]

pretty sure vault and a custom crashes are as bright and glassy as they get, so check them out.

[haggard2743]

Went out today bought an 16" a custom and 16" AAX ozone and they both are amazing.

[Little Android Man]

What style of music do you play? What are your preferences in sounds?

[ant_182]

My favourite hi hats are:

all the mastersounds (a a custom and k)
2002 S edges
k hybrid hats

[crazyguy832]

14" A New Beats are easily some of the most versatile hats on the planet.

If you only play louder music, you may want to look into the A (Custom?) Mastersounds.

If you play stuff more along the lines of jazz most of the time, take a look at the K Custom Hybrids hi-hats (13.25", but because of the unlathed bell they're louder than even 14" K hats).

[Panopticon]

14" A New Beats are easily some of the most versatile hats on the planet.

If you only play louder music, you may want to look into the A (Custom?) Mastersounds.

If you play stuff more along the lines of jazz most of the time, take a look at the K Custom Hybrids hi-hats (13.25", but because of the unlathed bell they're louder than even 14" K hats).

hybrids don't have an unlathed bell.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

2002's of any kind
AAX studio
AA Sizzle(I have them and LOVE them)
K Hybrid
K light

All good hats lol

[crazyguy832]

hybrids don't have an unlathed bell.
*looks at my hybrids*

Ermm....

*looks at Zildjian's website*

Designed with Akira Jimbo to combine brilliance and darkness. Thin Crashes and Splashes project like heavier cymbals due to the un-lathed bell.

[static]

it actually does jay

[fishbulb]

He was talking about something more along the lines of this for a lathed bell:

http://www.drumrock.com/forum/uploads/00000082_SA5-Vault%20Hats.JPG

It's a bad example but you can still see how the lathing on the bow of the cymbal continues to the bell.

[Panopticon]

fair enough. My bad.

i just assumed that shiny = lathed.

[spirit]

fair enough. My bad.

i just assumed that shiny = lathed.

Shiny = shiny. Lathed = lathed. Shiny =|= lathed.

[Gary Lover]

ugh nobody play k hybrids seriously they suck and akira jimbo plays them god ew

[crazyguy832]

^^^
lol wut!?

o_O

Back on topic, Hybrids pwn.

\m/>_<\m/

[Chippy569]

kool, im ment to be getting new hi-hit cymbals this year 2008 what cymbals would you say is the best for a 14-hi-hit :-)

what kinds of sounds are you looking for? what styles of music do you play? do you just practice by yourself in a basement?

[crazyguy832]

hay ppl
hai

[static]

DrummerBabe go to the stronghold for posts like that.

[Orely]

HAs anybody had any experience with Byzance cymbals. If so, what is your opinion?

Im looking into the 18" medium thin crash and the 16" china.

[Drum Phil]

I own the 13" Dark hats and 18" Dark crash.

Pure sex.

Buy them.

[Orely]

I wouldnt be getting the dark ones, but the traditional ones which sound great. Thansk for your opinion though. :)

[MisurCanavi]

HAs anybody had any experience with Byzance cymbals. If so, what is your opinion?

Im looking into the 18" medium thin crash and the 16" china.

What kind of music do you play and why you looking at those specific cymbals?

[Orely]

What kind of music do you play and why you looking at those specific cymbals?

I will be mostly be playing alt. rock. Im thinking of those because they have the sound I was looking for. Im just asking for opinions about them. :p

[MisurCanavi]

I don't have anything against them. They SHOULD fit right in with a general alt. rock setting. In my opinion they are better live than in the studio, but what do I know.

[CombatWombat3]

Anybody have experience with Paiste 2002 chinas, mainly the 20"? I'm looking for a really versatile china, not too dark, but not overly bright.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

The novo is bright the thins are said to be very dark. Try the china medium bright

[vash_the_stampede]

**** i havent been here on a while.
i ordered an A custom medium ride 20" , but those idiots at the music store ordered me the wrong one; an A Custom ride 20". i think its a piece of crap

any thoughts on the medium ride?

[-TGP-]

Well, in the next few months I will have to pick up some jazz cymbals for school (pending I get in!) and Im pretty open to suggestions.
One for sure buy will be a K constantinople, but I'll be looking for another ride and some hats.

[crazyguy832]

K Custom Hybrid ride. Damn good ride.

That or pure K Constantinoples. Damn good cymbals there, too.

As far as hats go, get something like the K Darks.

[static]

wtf hybrids are pretty awful in jazz


they are just PING PING PING PING PING

[drummguy731]

I know, old topic, but although the message can barely be understood, ATRU is right. Hybrids are a little too pingy for real combo jazz, or cool jazz. In big band and fusion jazz they sound amazing. They pretty much work in everything but extreme metulzzzz and extreme jazz. They are also not just PING PING PING, they've got a decent wash, just not the best for extreme jazz.

I'd look into the Light Rides. The 24" is a little overpowering on its own for combo, although with enough tape, its easier to control. Check out the 20" and 22" Light Rides that are now coming out, they will be good rides. Another good combo ride is the 20" K Custom Dry Ride. As for hats, the Hybrids actually perform very well in jazz, although not perfect for small combo stuff. I'd look into the K Light hats for that, or an old pair of Avedis hats, try to find lighter ones for combo stuff. Good luck man.

[Aaron]

18" Paiste Traditionals Flat-Ride.

[Dude123]

Getting back to the drums after having not played for a while due to school and such. Will mostly be playing rock and metal, though anything is really possible. Current set up is Sabian AA rock ride 20", AA medium Crash 17", AAXplosion 18" crash, Sabian signature Max Splash 11" and a Wuhan china 12".

Looking for new hats, as the ones I have are still the crap pearl stock cymbals. Also thinking about one more crash, maybe something on the dark side. I've heard good things about the Meinl Byzance dark crashes, but other reccomendations would be appreciated. In terms of price range for the hats, something along the cost of the Sabian AA/AAX lines.

[bobby__johnny]

for the crash, check out the HHX stage line. awesome cymbals, and still cut with dark sounds.

as for the hats, looking at the rest of your cymbals, couldnt go wrong with some AA Fusion hats.

[LoneStarDrummer]

i think it's impossible to be disappointed with the hhx stage crashes. those things are lovely as can be.

those and piaste sig. mellow and full crashes are my favorites.

[Verdas]

I just thought I would post in here. I used a Sabian AAX Stage Ride 20" and I honestly think it is the nicest ride I have ever used. I currently use a 21" Sabian AA Dry Ride, but I think I will have to get my hands on this AAX Ride.

Anyways, try it out if looking for a new ride.

[bobby__johnny]

my next ride is so a Hand Hammered ride. theres a 20" and 22" ride at a local shop. its either HH Vintage or Class ride....either way, they are a sweet *** ride.

[Metaldrummer616]

Anyone have any experience with stagg black metal bells? I just ordered a 7'' heavy. I hope I like it.

[Panopticon]

i know a few people on here have them...drum phil does. He should be able to tell you.

[Drum Phil]

In short, its so much more musical than a zilbel.

Fairly low in pitch, dark and sexy as hell.

[Metaldrummer616]

It came in yesterday. I love it so much. It's not annoying or harsh like the LP ones.

[Drum Phil]

Told you so.

[Trembling Willows]

Just a quick question, I was just wondering what the equivalent Zildjian line to Sabians AA line.
I was just interested in comparing the differences between them.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Probly the zildjian A series

[Drum Phil]

Pretty much.

I need a new mini-china. Im thinking a 12" Meinl GenX filter.

Suggestions? I want it quick and trashy, preferably meinl.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Sabian HH 10" China Kang
Sabian AAX 12" Mini China
Paiste Signature 12" Thin China
Meinl Gen-X 15" China Crash

I know you said preferable meinl but they're all good

[Drum Phil]

AAX is a bit bright for my china tastes. I couldnt find a paiste when i looked for one, but i'll deffo check that out.

15" is too big really.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Thought the 15" one might be too big. thought i'd throw it in there anyway tho

[-TGP-]

12" Gen-X for sure

[Metaldrummer616]

12'' wuhan?

[MeaninglessPhoto]

12" GenX Filter

but a 12" Wuhan might have the same sound you're looking for, but at a cheaper price.

[Aaron]

Depends on pitch.
High-pitched: 12" - 14" Wuhan
Low-pitched: 14" K Mini-China

[Drum Phil]

Wuhans arent that cheap here.

In fact, i wouldnt even know where to find one.

[ant_182]

ebay is all I know of Phil.

[Drum Phil]

I'll choke on jordisons hair before i buy a cymbal online.

[bobby__johnny]

wuhans are the exception i'd say

[Drum Phil]

I would never EVER buy a cymbal online.

Only exception was my platinum because it was a bargain and i actually planned to resell it.

[Seafroggys]

I bought my 2002 on Massmusic mainly because they sell Paistes dirt cheap on that site.

[ant_182]

I buy alot of cymbals ofline.... Splashes - imho I think a splash is a splash and a description from the manufacturer of what it would sound like is good enough for how I use it. And with the others I just read about the properties it has. If I get it and really don't like it then I just sell it on :) I do however have a feel for zildjian cymbals as I tried them out at a store. Then again all I use are Zildjians at the minute

[Drum Phil]

I buy mine by hand. Easier and i dont lose money.

Besides, im into hand hammered cymbals lately so i dont have a choice.

[ant_182]

I can't see how I've lost money, or its been harder. I've saved loads of money buy buying online. And its not easier to drive 45miles to stand testing loads of cymbals alday.... I will admit I've been lucky and liked all of the cymbals I've bought. If I was after a pacific sound I would definately check out various stores around.

[Drum Phil]

Cymbals lose value when you buy them so if you had to sell it you'd have lost out.

I HAVE to test cymbals. I cant buy them blindly. Its just what i do.

[ant_182]

I don't loose value, the cymbals I bought offline were 2nd hand. So I can sell them for roughly the same price less £1.46 for listing fees :)

[Arise II]

Ok, so, for a guy who know's absolutely zilch about drums (barring that metal drumemrs have HUGE-*** drum sets, which look ****en awesome, and jazz guys in vintage TV appearances always have stuff that looks like a little plastic toy set), outta curiosity, what are the differences in constructiobn for varying genre-oriented cymbals?

[Plan B.]

jazz cymbals are darker, and are extensively hammered to create a drier sound, this also quiets the cymbal down and makes it blend well with lower volume music

rock cymbals are usually bright in sound character, and have high decibal sounds to cut thru fierce guitar amps and be heard. they are usually of thicker weight to increase volume and stick definition which is the ability to hear the sound of the stick hitting the cymbal, rather than just a complete wash of sound like a thin crash

there are fine details in lathing [groove marks cut out of a cymbal] and hammering as well as the type of alloy used [pro cymbals tend to be B20, while beginer are B8]

there's some basics of cymbals in the two most popular opposite genre's of music

[Seafroggys]

Ok, so, for a guy who know's absolutely zilch about drums (barring that metal drumemrs have HUGE-*** drum sets, which look ****en awesome, and jazz guys in vintage TV appearances always have stuff that looks like a little plastic toy set)

hahaha.

Most those "vintage" jazz guys played that before the TV was commercialized.

[Arise II]

hahaha.

Most those "vintage" jazz guys played that before the TV was commercialized.

yeah, sarcasm 101, dude...

[Seafroggys]

Naw, without actually seeing you around here before I wouldn't know if you were actually being sarcastic or not.

So you are sarcastic; you probably still believed those jazz 'performances' were TV specials, despite the fact that most of them are from the 30s and 40s and TV didn't really start making an impact until the 50s :thumb:

[crazyguy832]

Seafroggys... it was really obvious he was making stupid stereotypes there to showcase his lack of knowledge.

That said, Plan B's post is absolutely correct except for the alloys. B8 is a great alloy, in fact, Sabian's new APX line is B8. And, hey, what about the Paiste 2002's?

[Drum Phil]

Yeah but APX so far are a huge dissapointment. I agree with the obvious stereotype thing though.

Jazz cymbals tend to be lighter in weight as well i notice. Anything catered specifically to rock/metal is heavy as hell.

[Arise II]

Naw, without actually seeing you around here before I wouldn't know if you were actually being sarcastic or not.

So you are sarcastic; you probably still believed those jazz 'performances' were TV specials, despite the fact that most of them are from the 30s and 40s and TV didn't really start making an impact until the 50s :thumb:

Ack, oh noez, you've seen through my veil of sarcasm and straight into the utter lack of knowledge of 20th century history, despite the so called "education" I've obtained through media studies and jazz history...

That said, Plan B's post is absolutely correct except for the alloys. B8 is a great alloy, in fact, Sabian's new APX line is B8. And, hey, what about the Paiste 2002's?

You wouldn't happen to know exactly what type of alloy they are made of?

[Drum Phil]

They're very secretive about the exact alloy.

[Arise II]

They're very secretive about the exact alloy.

Those BASTARDS!

[Drum Phil]

Well zildjian have a legacy of only one person knowing the precise mix of the alloy.

That changed when sabian split off but i doubt they still use the same alloys.

[Plan B.]

B8 IS a great alloy if the cymbal that it is being made out of is made professionally. it tends to have more high end than B20--- my favorite crash i own Paiste 2oo2 Full Crash 18" is made of B8 or something very much like B8

but most beginer cymbals are made out of this alloy however

[crazyguy832]

Major difference in the alloy between professional grade B8 and beginner B8 (major IIRC here) is that professional is cast while beginner is sheet.

As for Paiste... the 2002 cymbals are B8. They aren't some super-secret recipe... they ARE made of B8 alloy.

[bobby__johnny]

Major difference in the alloy between professional grade B8 and beginner B8 (major IIRC here) is that professional is cast while beginner is sheet.

As for Paiste... the 2002 cymbals are B8. They aren't some super-secret recipe... they ARE made of B8 alloy.


please. enlighten the rest of us on the differences between 'sheet' and 'cast'.

:)

[Drum Phil]

Cast bronze is a better quality alloy.

[bobby__johnny]

Bronze is an alloy. it has to be cast regardless

[Drum Phil]

Yeah but cast B8 bronze is a slightly different alloy. Sheet is rolled out by a machine so it gets stretched and distorted which can cause weaknesses.

[crazyguy832]

^^^
This.

Also...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymbal_making

Traditionally cymbals were made from individually cast cymbal blanks, which were then hot-forged, often with many annealing processes, to form the rough shape of the cymbal.

...

Top quality "cast" cymbals are normally made from bell bronze, while "sheet" cymbals are normally made from malleable alloys.

That said, there are some good sheet bronze cymbals out their (Meinl has some, forgot which line), it's just that B8 itself is much better sounding when cast.

[gimp fest]

drumphil :

12" classics china

[Drum Phil]

Shall give it a go.

[Arise II]

Why is it called B8?

[bobby__johnny]

because it contains 8% tin.

just like B20 contains 20% tin

[Drum Phil]

ZOMG.

Hehe

[tapioca]

Hi guys. I have some nice cymbals at hand.
My guitarist has a drum set at our rehearsal place and he has a pair of Paiste Formula 602s (medium, 14") and a Zildjian 16" Thin Crash. It doesn't have any sign of a series print on it, but I guess it's a K. The top Hat must have had a crack, since a piece of it is missing (about 1"), that spot has been cleanly grinded and I still love the sound. The Zildjian is in top condition (haven't looked for key holes yet).
What do you think should I offer him? He had concerns about reselling the kit if it missed those cymbals, but I already suggested giving him my old 302 crash (which is in good condition) and Pearl brass hats (which already have cracks).
I'm also considering to buy his Formula 602 ride, since I only own a 302. Which would be a nice upgrade.
I'm thinking about giving him 200 Euros for all three (four) cymbals, maybe I'll start with 150 to aim at a bargain. What do you think?

I can also provide some audio clips from our rehearsal, so you might have a taste of the sound.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

BUY THE 602's NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The 602's were amazing cymbals

[Tim]

i just got a sabian Hand Hammered Heavy ride for $100. its used and quite old but excellent condition. =D

[bobby__johnny]

nice. i tried one recently....that thing has stonger ping than my AAX Dry ride

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Nice choice tim

[tapioca]

BUY THE 602's NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The 602's were amazing cymbals

I just talked to my guitarist, and he said it's not his drum kit yet, he just borrowed it from a guy he has formerly worked with (he's going to ask him until next week). So what do you think how much I should spend on those cymbals?
I was thinking about 200 Euros (296US$) for the Zildjian and Paiste ride maximum. I'm not quite sure what limit to set for the hi-hats, since they have that chunk missing and on the other hand I'll offer him my 302 crash and ride (which are worth nothing anymore, I know). Probably I'd give him 100 Euros for the hats.

Or should I stack my limit up? I know these cymbals are great, but I don't want to be ripped off.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Well if they have a chunk missing i'd say 100 is fine for the hats.

But if you can maybe go to 250 for ride. You will not be disapointed I swear. And if you are i'll take it off your hands lol

[Drum Phil]

i just got a sabian Hand Hammered Heavy ride for $100. its used and quite old but excellent condition. =D

You bastard. I'd have loved either that or a HH Rock ride ages ago.

[Tim]

ill put up pics soon as i get home. im out of town right now accessing this site from my phone so my options are limited haha. i picked up a pearl icon too dude. =D

[bobby__johnny]

got one of those on order too. hopefully will be in this week.

[Drum Phil]

Old news. I gots me an icon years ago :D

[ant_182]

Aiming to get a new crash or too. Becuase my K Dark cracked and I sold it I'm going to get rid of the other k (possibly) and either get 18" A Custom crash or 19" K Hybrid. I'm just unsure of what to get!! Opinions/reasons on what people think!

I loved the A Custom when I tried it and I loved the K Hybrid at a gig the other night! SOOOOOO Stuck!

[Drum Phil]

I assume you want to stay in zildjian?

List your ideal qualities and how you use it (gig, recording etc)

[Sabian4015]

Ok so I'm thinking about getting a 21" Sweet Ride as a crash/ride. I played at GC and really liked it. Any thoughts or can anybody suggest other crash/rides?

I play rock

[Aaron]

20" K Crash-Ride is good, bit darker sounding.

[crazyguy832]

If you like it, nothing wrong with the cymbal.

[Verdas]

Any good suggestions on a dark thin ride that can be crashed, I want stick definition, minimal wash and it has to go well with my Sabian Hand Hammered Hats. I am thinking a K Ride will sound a bit like that. But any other suggestions from first hand experience will be really appreciated.

[crazyguy832]

Dark, thin ride that can be crashed... that would a K Dark or K Thin (is there one? o_O I think there is) ride or, really, virtually any of the K rides. They're all dark, thin, and crash well.

I played a straight-up K ride the other damn... damn good cymbal, not the best crash ever... but a K Light (I think this is what I meant before by thing XD) would crash very well.

[Tim]

look no farther than K dark medium ride 22inch or K custom special dry ride 21

[bobby__johnny]

dry rides arent all that crashable imo.

HHX Studio, Evolution, or Manhattan jazz ride would be my thought.

[Tim]

studio definatly.

[Verdas]

wow, thanks for the ideas, I wrote them down and tried them out at the local Long&McQuade, I have to say I have some tough decisions. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Manhattan Jazz Ride and the 22" K is a very close second. Such a tough choice, but I know when I buy it I will be on the ride alot more in my playing, which is good IMO. Thanks guys

[LoneStarDrummer]

that hhx manhattan is an awesome ride. i can't wait till i get some duckets so i can buy one.

[crazyguy832]

I'm actually a big fan of the HHX Evolution ride (actually, the whole series). Damn good cymbals.

[bobby__johnny]

i dont think i've heard an HHX that i didnt like. granted. there are some i wouldnt use myself, but still, the sound was amazing.

[Verdas]

I think my best cymbal is an HHX evolution 16", those must be the best cymbals out there. I mean others are eccentric (K's, Hand Hammered) but does it actually get any better than an HHX, atleast for the crash, and possibly the rides, I haven't tried many others tbh

[bobby__johnny]

i've heard ym share of Hand Hammered's and HHX's...i'd still take a hand hammered ride over an HHX myself. the complexity of the sound in a Hand Hammered ride is unmatched imo. even with my high regard for the entire HHX line.

my $0.02

[Tim]

i love my HHX crash. I love my HH ride. i wouldnt be able to choose between the two. mix matched cymbals from both lines would be what id go for =]

[bobby__johnny]

i mix all 4 of Sabians top lines :thumb:

[crazyguy832]

They have 7.

:smash:

AA, AAX, HH, HHX, APX, Vault, Signature.

[bobby__johnny]

well in that case 5, i forgot about Vault :P and APX hasnt been released yet right?

[Drum Phil]

Think it might have been.

[crazyguy832]

APX is out.

:thumb:

And it's still seven. Their Signature line is professional grade (at least parts of it :smash: ).

[Panopticon]

it's out but not in stores till May-ish

[Seafroggys]

Okay I can't believe I'm doing this, but I'm probably gonna start looking for a new ride.

I love my 22" A Ping Ride but it doesn't record very well. I thought ping was what I wanted but I figured I want a washier ride, at least for recording, maybe even for live applications.

So I'm looking for a big ride (around 22") that is powerful but less pingy then an A Ping Ride. Not too bright. Something darker works too.

Just to let you know, stores in my area sell Sabian, Zildjian, Paiste, Istanbul, Bospherous, and Amedia.

[bobby__johnny]

HHX Stage ride?

[ant_182]

21" A Sweet Ride? Or a 22" A Custom Ride?

[crazyguy832]

Haha, don't feel bad, Seafroggys. There are times when I don't like my ping ride all too much, either. It suits a few types of music very well and is passable for most others (fortunately, I play in a style which it works very well for).

I agree with the HHX stage ride. That thing is secks.

[Seafroggys]

21" A Sweet Ride? Or a 22" A Custom Ride?

Not a fan of either.

The HHX is one I can try out though. I think GC may have one.

[Verdas]

Damn I just tried a 24" K Thin Dark Ride, that is one of the nicest rides I have ever heard. I am really on the fence between that and the manhattan. Good luck seafroggy's. Hey wanna trade cymbals? I have a 21" AA Dry Ride, it is in the for sale section.

[Seafroggys]

Pretty sure its not that much different from an A Ping, to be honest.

24" K Thin Dark Ride sounds pretty fantastic, though. But probably too thin for my tastes.

I'm also a fan of A Medium Rides as well.

[Imperial Star]

What are peoples thoughts on the A Earth Ride?

I'm looking for a pingy ride to cut through in metal bands. What are some other possible rides.

Cheers

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Earth Rides are pingy as hell. Theres very little wash. I never played mine with a band though.

[Seafroggys]

Okay so I guess I lied about getting a new ride.

While recording my album I tried wooden tipped sticks with a big tip, and yeah the ride records MUCH nicer!

[ant_182]

What are peoples thoughts on the A Earth Ride?

I'm looking for a pingy ride to cut through in metal bands. What are some other possible rides.

Cheers

I recomend 21" Platinum Rock Ride if you can get one

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Quite a big if. They aint exactly around much

[Aaron]

22" K Heavy.

[crazyguy832]

Earth rides are great secondary rides, not primary imo. That being said, I know a band where the drummer used an earth ride as his only ride and it sounded great recorded.

[Aaron]

JoJo Mayer's 21" Fierce Ride is worth looking into for ping.

[Tim]

mmmm jojo fierce ride. i think im going to get one with my tax return =]

[Tim]

nope instead i just ordered a pair of HHX groove hats. =]

[Tim]

looking for a china thats high volume, and trashy. 20 inch preferrably. i want something similar to the pasite signature heavy china but 340 is way to much. wuhan is an option but i realy dont think they have the vollume i need.

[crazyguy832]

20" Z Custom.

20" A Custom.

20" AAX.

20" AA.

20" HHX.

All REALLY nice chinas. Out of the bunch, I'd personally reccomend the Z Custom or AA.

[Tim]

i own the 18 AA and i like it but i think i need something a bit punchier. i might have to go for the AAXtreme but in a 19 or something.

[fishbulb]

Paragon chinas are nice but i'm not sure how trashy they are and they're essentially more expensive Wuhans with Neil Peart's name on them.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

The 19" one is yeah. But I do believe the 20" one is totally different. Could be wrong tho

[bobby__johnny]

i'm looking at a new china sooner or later.

not sure if i wanna stick with the trusty 18" AA or AAX, or if i wanna try something different and get like a 19" AAXtreme.


...or save my money and get an 18" or 20" HHX.....

as for my other china, i have a 16" AA, and 18" Carmine Appice Sig (wanting to replace that)

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Hhx

[an_original_name]

you cant go wrong with an 18" AAX.

[bobby__johnny]

aye. i'm trying to find one that mixes with my cymbals....but the catch is....my cymbals are a blend of bright and dark sounds

[LoneStarDrummer]

edit: to tim's post


i had read this yesterday and decided not to recommend the pargaon china simply because it doesn't really sound like the paiste sig heavy china.

i personally love my paragon chinas. they are one of the few cymbals i would buy again if all mine got destroyed.

the 19" has a more trashy sound and is modeled after the wuhans that peart used to use. i personally think there is no comparison between a wuhan and paragon china. the paragon is much cleaner and articulate though still maintaining it's trashy sound.

the 20" is a more traditional gong-like china. very nice, but very different from the 19"

also i didn't recommend the 19" because tim was looking for a high volume one. the paragons are about standard volume chinas.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Paiste novo china

[Imperial Star]

I'm getting a 12" byzance splash, what would be a good combo with this for hi hats?

[bobby__johnny]

get hats to match your ride. not your splash

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

No he means another splash to make hi hats with lol

[Bernie812]

I'm interested in some cymbals that go along good with laid back jam music. Much to the likings of Jack Johnson, or Animal Liberation Orchestra. Some crashes that don't require heavy hitting to provide quality smooth, warm sounds. I noticed ALOs drummer uses istanbuls, but I have no idea what make. Do they make good hi-hats?

[Tim]

hhx groove or stage hats would make great pair for that. AAX stage crashes dont require a beating either.

[Little Android Man]

hhx groove or stage hats would make great pair for that. AAX stage crashes dont require a beating either.

AAX are bright though, no? He wants something warmer.

[Bernie812]

something warmer yes. I have some A custom hats right now which are to bright for my likes, I would like warmer, maybe a little washy hats. I don't even know what I want in a ride, so I'm going to try and make it to a GC this month and see what I like.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

-Paiste Traditionals Medium Light Hats, a soft pronounced stick sound with a warm n meaty chick sound

-Paiste Twenty Medium Light Hats, They do only come in 16" size but they do have a warm and mellow stick sound and a deep chick. A longer sustain than normal due to their size but nice overall

[Bernie812]

I'll see if I can try those out when I got to GC. Thanks

[fishbulb]

GC's selection of cymbals in stock on the floor is not very good (especially for Paistes) so more than likely you won't even see those cymbals.

[Bernie812]

Crud, where could I hear what these cymbals sound like?

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Shame. Both good hats

[ant_182]

Right I'm going to treat myself to a new ride. I'm just stuck on what to get. I have a platinum ride, and an a sweet ride. I am definately keeping the platinum. I am loooking into the 22" A Custom Rides. I'll probably crashride it and I'd like it fairly bright. Any others I should look at? I would prefer to stay with Zildjian as I'm really familiar with their products and I can get them easier. I'll probably try some out in a couple of weeks :) Just want to get an idea. I've tried a 20" 2002 ride and that was lovely(use it for drum lessons. But it isn't the sound I'm after :) Cheers in advane

[Lostandfound2]

something that is warm and explosive that i can ride the crap out of it without it breaking in 6 months

[Lostandfound2]

not a crash ride though

[ant_182]

nothing should break in 6months if you have the right technique...?

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

This^

[Aaron]

nothing should break EVER if you have the right technique...?
This.

[ant_182]

that :D

[an_original_name]

And the other?

[Panopticon]

im looking for a new ride. Something for metal. Cutting, bright and pingy. Loud, big bell.

preferably 22"

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Sabian HH Power Bell Ride maybe

[an_original_name]

Can I ask why it needs to be 22"?

T

[Panopticon]

because i want something with a bigger sound than a 20

oliv, i'll check that out.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Cool man It's a nice ride

[ant_182]

Maybe A Custom Ping Ride? Or The check out the Z Custom Rides?

[fishbulb]

My 2002 Paiste Heavy Ride sounds pretty close to what you described.

[Panopticon]

i've been thinking of a z custom ride. Gonna try some out eventually.

Fishy, how does it cut live? Would it cut through 2 huge stacks?

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Yes they do

[ATLbraves]

The Z Custom or A Custom is definitely the way to go.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

I would say Z Custom. Try out the Mega Bell Ride.

Or try out the new Sabian APX 24" ride.

[Mirror.Circuit]

A Custom Ping Ride.

[SkaRabbit]

My 16" DH Stagg crash broke recently in an on stage fall by my trumpeter. So i am looking for a nice new cymbal.. yey...

Anyway, i plan to try a few out at my local but they don't stock many different brands and sizes. I'm Looking for a 16" crash that has a really quick decay. Explosive at first but the sound stops really quickly. I'm really bad with my terminology. I appologize.

If it helps i am a really big fan of; Wuhan, Stagg(higher end) and Istanbul. I do like my cymbals from the big 3 but really any brand will do.

[fishbulb]

A Custom fast crash or AAXplosion?

[SkaRabbit]

I was planning on trying the A Custom fast as that one of the cymbals they DO stock. Not a bad price either. They only have the 16" in though. i wouldn't mind trying a 17" or 18"

Cheers

[Lostandfound2]

man studio sabians are awesome

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

yes they are. Try the AAX 18" studio crash. It's orgasmic

[ant_182]

X Hats, I'm thinking something small. 12"? Crispy I supose.

[Panopticon]

panda i definitely recommend the fast crash.

[bcnickels]

i got an 18" medium zildjian A crash and its a little deep and rings out to long.....was thinking a 14 or 15" A custom fast crash.......any e-pinions?

[bobby__johnny]

a 14" or 15" crash may be fine for solo play....however, if your playing live and unmiced, many situations, it wouldnt be enough. keep what you have regardless. add on what you feel nessessary.

[ant_182]

17 is the smallest crash I'd use. I prefer 19"s though. Possibly a 16 could do it. Or get a "fast" Crash?

[fishbulb]

I'm looking for a glassy splash that would go well in Prog. stuff like Porcupine Tree. I like the Paragon splashes as well as the 2002, what else should i look into?

[Inkstar]

AAX Stage hats... mmmmmmmm...

[crazyguy832]

fishy... Honestly, I highly reccomend the 8" AAX splash. The thing rings out with a quick "splish" and then dissapears. Very thin, but it cuts and dissapears in an instant. Make sure to try a few out, cause I still haven't tried one that sounds as good as the one I bought. Good splash, though.

Failing that, look at 8 or 9 inch A Custom splashes. Also incredibly glassy, possibly more so (I don't like them myself... got this love/hate thing going with the A Custom line, haha).

[Fuzzy]

My favorite cymbal I've ever had (behind my China High 18"), my Vault 17", suddenly developed a crack from the outside edge to about 3/4ths of an inch directly towards the bell of the cymbal. I'm heart broken. LUCKILY, I just sold my rack for around $300. I wanted to get new pedals but I suppose I'll stick with my Elims for now and replace this crash. I'd like something similar (but bigger) to the dark complex sound of a vault. I like thinner crashes (though not as thin as some Bosphorus, as I do play mostly hard rock and metal.) Suggestions?

[Harrow]

18" Byzance dark crash.

[ant_182]

18" K Dark Crashes

[Fuzzy]

Thanks for the help there! Still looking around though... Can anyone recommend alternatives (sounding similar) to a Sabian Vault Crash cymbal?

I'm thinking Dream and Saluda. Personal experience would be nice!

[fishbulb]

The vault series are based off of the A Custom line, no? So try a 17" A Custom crash?

[Fuzzy]

:P I have one

[MeaninglessPhoto]

X Hats, I'm thinking something small. 12"? Crispy I supose.

Zildjian A 12" Special Recording Hats

[Harrow]

How about an 18" Meinl MB20 crash Fuzzy? :o

[PandaDrummer]

panda i definitely recommend the fast crash.

eh?

[ant_182]

Zildjian A 12" Special Recording Hats

I cant seem to find them anywhere other than ebay every now and then, is there anywhere that stocks them in the UK?

[MonorailCat]

Hey guys, I'm looking into adding a third crash to my set. The cymbals I have right now are:
13" HHX Groove Hats, 17" AA Medium-thin crash, 16" AAX Studio Crash, 21" AA Raw Bell Dry Ride, 14" ZBT China, 10" XS20 Splash.
I suppose I'm looking for a crash thats gonna cut through more then my others. I was thinking maybe trying out the new Sabian APX series. I don't think i'm looking bigger then 17" unless an 18" is amazing for its price. Well, thanks for the help

[ant_182]

What sound are you after?

[MonorailCat]

Ehh, more bright than dark I suppose. So that'll probably be a 16". Other than tone, I'm really looking for something thats a good cut through music, but not something overbearing the Metal-X series.

[ant_182]

17 or 18 A custom crashes?

[The Chemist]

Try a Vault crash. The APX are quite... gross.

[MonorailCat]

Try a Vault crash. The APX are quite... gross.

Yeah I didn't know how they'd be or not. I was planning on trying them out, probably still will. I've played a Vault Ride, it was brilliant. So I might check those out too.
Along with the A Customs, there always good!

[fishbulb]

Vaults were created to be similar to the A Customs so be sure to check both of them out.

[MonorailCat]

Vaults were created to be similar to the A Customs so be sure to check both of them out.
Yeah I will :) Thanks

[Harrow]

If your looking for a big bright sound check out the Paiste signature crystal thin crashes.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Ehh, more bright than dark I suppose. So that'll probably be a 16". Other than tone, I'm really looking for something thats a good cut through music, but not something overbearing the Metal-X series.

-Paiste 2002 Crashes are good. Medium weight, suit all volume levels really well. A nice bright warm sound, for an all purpose crash.

-Paiste Signature Reflector Heavy Full Crash would also be good if you're looking for something with a lil more 'bite'. Medium heavy crashes with a nice silvery stick sound. A bright explosive full sound overall.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

I'm thinkin bout tryin out some 16" hats. Anyone got any ideas on a crash to pair with a 16" 2002 crash?

Paiste cymbals would be prefered but doesnt have to be

[ant_182]

zildjian 16" K Light hats?

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Yeah true, but I thought i'd try out 2 crashes as hats see how it went

[fastlane]

hey guys i was wondering if AA rock crashes would be too one dimensional? theres a guy selling some and i didnt know how theyd sound. i do mainly play rock but i dont want that to be the only thing i can play with them.

[saars]

I'm getting fairly tired of my AAXplosion crash because it's too cutting and loud (which is what I was looking for in the first place, but I kinda drifted into jazz...). Anyways, I'm looking for a versatile 18"/19" crash that's warm and not too bright, not very cutting, and would be good as an aux. ride at times. Your guys' help would be much appreciated. :)

[ATLbraves]

Try the 18" Z Custom Medium Crash...I love mine because it isn't too obnoctous .



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I'm thinking about adding a 14" Wuhan China to my set, I already have an 18" Oriental China on there, but I'm looking for more of a deeper sound. It seems the Oriental is too, light and washy?

I hear a lot of good things about the Wuhan and I have even heard some stuff from it.

Just seeing what you guys think, or if you have any better suggestions.

I'm also wanting to add another crash onto my set. I have an 18" Z Custom as my main crash and that's just way too big. I'd prefer anywhere from 14"-16", and I also prefer Zildjian.

Thanks a lot, this really helps.

(PS. I'm recording this summer, if that effects your decision in any way...)

[gimp fest]

Yeah true, but I thought i'd try out 2 crashes as hats see how it went

oliv, don't know any crashes but it might be worth checking these out

http://mikedolbear.com/story.asp?StoryID=1518

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Not a big Menil fan tbh. Gonna get the Paiste Twenty 16" hats

[saars]

Try the 18" Z Custom Medium Crash...I love mine because it isn't too obnoctous .

If that was directed to me, I'm really not into Z Customs. I was lookin' around, and I was thinking of looking into either the K Custom Dark crashes, K dark medium-thin crash, or K Custom session crash. Any opinions before I go ahead to the store and test them out?