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bobby__johnny

10-15-2007, 05:06 PM

maybe no paiste supplier in his area.

anyways, 13" AA Fusions would be your best bet.

as for Sig = HHX....umm, no, sigs cover a whole specturm of sounds (Bright to dark), Sabian has different tones per line (AA = bright, HH = dark for example)

spirit

10-15-2007, 05:09 PM

Why sabian though? Why not just get the paistes?

Because you touch yourself at night.

Drum Phil

10-15-2007, 05:13 PM

Hmm, bobby i aint too hot on paiste, never got to try enough to understand the lines so i'll take your word for it.

Spirit, your mum does that for me.

spirit

10-15-2007, 05:25 PM

Bobby's right. Sig's cover a larger range than HHX's.

Sucks to be you. My mum has no hands.

We_Love_Lime

10-15-2007, 05:26 PM

Footjob ftw.

Drum Phil

10-15-2007, 06:43 PM

Who said she used her hands?

XxColt13xX

10-15-2007, 10:10 PM

how good are AAX cymbals?...I just ordered a 20" stage ride, 14in Stage Hats, 16 and 18 AAXplosion crashes, and an 8in splash

Are these pretty good, durable, all around cymbals?

i mainly play metal but i just want to know if i made the right choice or not

static

10-15-2007, 10:17 PM

Shouldn't you have asked before you ordered them? :rolleyes:

XxColt13xX

10-15-2007, 10:19 PM

just ordered after doing a little bit of research haha. i can still cancel though

Drum Phil

10-16-2007, 08:39 AM

They're pro level cymbals.

bobby__johnny

10-16-2007, 01:03 PM

sounds good. a lot of people like the AAXplosion crashes. i dont like them personally, but they're all fine cymbals.

you might want to look into a heavier ride though if metal is your thing.

Drum Phil

10-16-2007, 01:09 PM

Yeah my old drummer had a stage ride and he hated it because it was mostly wash.

I should have bought it from him.

herostyle

10-16-2007, 01:53 PM

Yea I like most AAX products. I have a mix of AA and AAX and I really like the 16" AAX studio crash I have. Noone talks about much about them, I think there a great line.

oliv_da_skinmasher

10-16-2007, 01:55 PM

AAX studios are fine *** crashes man. Got the 18" model myself. Couldnt be happier with it

MeaninglessPhoto

10-16-2007, 08:53 PM

Im looking for new cymbals.

Ride: Bright and pingy. High pitched with a glassy sound. Some wash, but not all wash. Im thinking AAX/A Custom.

Hihats-Good chick but great swish when played open. Bright and light. Both cymbals not overly heavy. Im thinking AAX also.

Any more suggestions.

static

10-16-2007, 08:56 PM

AA Raw Bell Dry Ride
14" A Customs

Tim

10-16-2007, 10:38 PM

MeaninglessPhoto

10-16-2007, 10:43 PM

Ready for a dumb question? Whats the difference between the AA RBDR and the HH RBDR besides $100? :p

Panopticon

10-17-2007, 08:59 AM

what are some comprable sabian hihats to paiste signature 13 sound edge or 2002 13 medium?

(maby a little less bright)

the sabian equivalent of sound edges/mastersounds are the xcellerators.

They have them in both the AAX and HHX series...you'll have to try out both to see which one you like more.

Gordie...ones AA and ones HH:p

MeaninglessPhoto

10-17-2007, 09:07 AM

Thanks Jay. You're lucky ilu bby or else I might just have had to kill you then :p

Drum Phil

10-17-2007, 09:45 AM

HH has a bit more warmth, but other than that, not much so far as i can tell.

spirit

10-17-2007, 09:51 AM

Ready for a dumb question? Whats the difference between the AA RBDR and the HH RBDR besides $100? :p

The AA is so sparsely hammered, it's been recommended as a suitable 'blank' for getting into hammering your own cymbals.

The HH has more hammering. Unlikely to be hand hammering, but hammering nonetheless.

fishbulb

10-17-2007, 04:55 PM

AA Raw Bell Dry Ride
14" A Customs

To go along with the A Customs, look at Sabian Vaults, very similar cymbals.

Trick Fx

10-19-2007, 04:55 AM

Hey.

I have recently decided that I need some new cymbals as at the moment Im using my Pearl Stock Crashride :(

Anyway, Im looking for some new hats, 2 crashes (That compliment eachother :)) Also a ride. I play Punk mainly and a little rock so something along those lines would be great.

Thanks

Aaron

10-19-2007, 05:24 AM

Depends on budget, firstly. If you're cashed up, I'd suggest the following:
13" K/Z Dyno Beats
17" and 19" A Custom Medium-Thins
20" K Heavy Ride or 22" A Ping Ride

If you're not cashed up then I'd look into Paiste PST5s in similar sizes and weights.

Trick Fx

10-21-2007, 05:24 AM

Ok, thanks. Yeah, I have a high budget so Im looking for the best cymbals that fit the type of music I will be playing :)

Snarz

10-21-2007, 11:32 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/A-ZILDJIAN-NEW-BEAT-14-HI-HATS-EXC-COND_W0QQitemZ260173451258QQihZ016QQcategoryZ41447 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem These hihats look like they got some keyholing on the one hat on the left?

Retarded Chipple

10-21-2007, 11:55 AM

It does appear that way. E-mail the seller and ask whats up with the picture...?

psychocream

10-21-2007, 04:25 PM

hey, off to buy some new cymbals on thurs. Does this seem like a good set:

-14" New beats Hi-hats
-16" A custom fast crash
-18" K custom Dark crash medium thin
-22" A custom ping ride
-20" oriental china

oliv_da_skinmasher

10-21-2007, 06:07 PM

Yeah man.

Not my thing but good cymbals

Seafroggys

10-21-2007, 07:48 PM

hey, off to buy some new cymbals on thurs. Does this seem like a good set:

-14" new beats
-16" A custom fast crash
-18" Dark crash medium thin
-22" ping ride
-20" oriental china

..... :O

iamjoe2

10-21-2007, 08:39 PM

im looking for a bright, but lower pitched crash cymbal heres an idea of what im looking for compared to what i have.

16" sabian b8 thin crash- perfect, but id like somthing lower pitched to complement it.

16" sabian xs20 rock crash, too dark...

Seafroggys

10-21-2007, 08:47 PM

18" AA Medium Crash, maybe Medium Thin.

santi3hg

10-23-2007, 10:01 AM

I'm looking for a large size crash. I'm dead set on a another Vault crash. Just the size I'm not sure. I have a 17 inch and its my main crash which i use to groove on and what not. But I definitely want a bigger sound from the crash. Would a 19inch over do it or no? I would be using it as my main crash to groove on and what not. Wouldn't over power too much?

oliv_da_skinmasher

10-23-2007, 10:08 AM

I shouldn't see why it would.

santi3hg

10-23-2007, 01:15 PM

Just wondering, In a live setting if it would just crush the sound of any smaller cymbal. Also what would have more body 18 or 19? Is the inch difference that big of a difference?

spirit

10-23-2007, 03:17 PM

I assume going somewhere, like a shop, to try them out is out of the question?

Try Sabian's Sound Check thingy.

Anyway, the 19" is clearly going to have more body. All other things being equal, it's a bigger cymbal. And there's no reason it should overpower anything. In a live setting, cymbals don't linger in the soundscape for long, at least not at any sort of level you can actually hear.

santi3hg

10-23-2007, 03:46 PM

I have the option to try it out just not the option with the 18 inch.
Thanks guys.

oliv_da_skinmasher

10-23-2007, 04:10 PM

Well I have a 15" that doesnt get drowned out by 18" crashes.

santi3hg

10-23-2007, 04:30 PM

Sweet. I'm just going for bigger crashes since I had a 16" and it just couldn't stand up to being used all the time so I went for the 17" and now I'm thinking to have that and a 19" in my setup.

Snarz

10-23-2007, 04:40 PM

Okay, if I buy a new crash instead of a pair of New Beats.

I want a crash that has lots of body, versatile, quick decay..

spirit

10-23-2007, 04:53 PM

Something Medium-Thin.

Apart from that, your criteria are so vague, it's hard to advise. Avoid Z Customs, AA Metal-X, etc.

Snarz

10-23-2007, 05:06 PM

Yeah I know to avoid those lines.I want a cymbal I can use for Hardcore music, but still be able to use for just rock.

Stickman Sam

10-30-2007, 03:00 PM

Hi gize, I'm looking for a small effect cymbal, so a splash or mini china or china kang or something. Has to be versatile and provide a reasonably quick accent but with quite a rich-bodied sound. Preferably from 8-12".

Anyone with any experience in these, I'm looking at the Sabian AAX, AA, Zildjian A Custom, Paiste RUDE(probably not), and Istanbul Alchemy rock at the moment.

~~

ant_182

10-30-2007, 04:36 PM

well at that size it should be reasonably quick. I recomend oriental chinas, a custom splashes or other brand equvilents.

Panopticon

10-30-2007, 04:39 PM

Okay, if I buy a new crash instead of a pair of New Beats.

I want a crash that has lots of body, versatile, quick decay..

AAXplosions...without a doubt...

If you're using it for hardcore go with 19" or 20"

Seafroggys

10-30-2007, 06:35 PM

Okay, if I buy a new crash instead of a pair of New Beats.

I want a crash that has lots of body, versatile, quick decay..

wait, I just saw this post.....what?

Panopticon

10-31-2007, 06:36 AM

seafroggys you said it yourself...New Beats ****ing suck.

MeaninglessPhoto

10-31-2007, 02:38 PM

Prove it ;)

Aaron

11-01-2007, 12:56 AM

Aaron

11-01-2007, 12:57 AM

Yeah I know to avoid those lines.I want a cymbal I can use for Hardcore music, but still be able to use for just rock.

19" A Custom Medium.

oliv_da_skinmasher

11-01-2007, 03:23 PM

^this. Well tbh any sort of big med. crash would do it.

Anyone ever tried the Paiste Giant Beat cymbals? I've been reading about them and they sound in theory really nice. Also the sound clips sound quite nice.

I have however heard that they're not very loud. Anyone got any idea if they'd be loud enough to keep up with 15" hats and 24" ride(both 2002) and like full on band situation(amps and pas etc but no drum mics)?

For reference music I play ranges from electric blues(cream, hendrix etc) to classic rock(sabbath, maiden, deep purple etc) to alt rock(RATM, audioslave etc) to more mainstream rock(RHCP, foo fighers etc).

Any one help?

(that was long winded lol)

fastlane

11-04-2007, 08:58 PM

china: soft rock to heavy rock. 17-19 prolly. looking into AA's, AAX's, A Custom, K Custom, China boy hi/low (btw what is the difference in the hi and lows. i really cant tell much but that is from the online deal so could be way bigger in person) im looking for a crash too. same genre. i have a 16'' a custom crash at the moment but i definately need something a bit bigger for unmiced gigs. sorry if its too vague. i dont know exactly what i want yet. just trying to get ideas.

Seafroggys

11-04-2007, 09:23 PM

Sabian4015

11-04-2007, 09:49 PM

I need a second ride that is mainly used for crashing. My main ride as of now is a 20" K Heavy, which is a great ride, just not ideal for crashing.

crazyguy832

11-04-2007, 09:50 PM

Look at the A Custom rides. Very nice crash sound.

Also, the K Custom Hybrid ride has a VERY nice crash sound (at least what I've heard on the sound clips).

spirit

11-05-2007, 04:26 PM

What kind of crash sound?

ant_182

11-05-2007, 04:36 PM

As it is a ride, a BIG powerful crash sound? and longer lasting? Also the brilliant finish might make it bright? Just a guess...

mullets suk

11-05-2007, 05:09 PM

hey guys, i might actually have a job in the next few weeks and that means ill have money =) im looking at hi-hats again, since i had some unexpected expenses i had to pay for last time i was seriously looking for hats (about 3 months ago). i'm looking for hats that have a bright closed sound with a warmer half open sound (if thats even possible).

the cymbals that i paricularly like are the Bosphorus 14" versa and the ottoman jazz hi-hats by istanbul mehmet.

what can you tell me about them and there diversity.

also any one hear of the Saluda and any of there cymbals?

spirit

11-05-2007, 05:34 PM

I don't now about the Ottomans, but Bosphorus are always a good bet. I don't know the range personally, but if you like them, I don't see what should stop you.

I was going to say it may be worth investigating having a brilliant finish top hat for that brilliant closed sound, but a darker, traditional finished cymbal for the warmer open sound. Just a thought.

As it is a ride, a BIG powerful crash sound? and longer lasting? Also the brilliant finish might make it bright? Just a guess...

I meant what kind of crash sound does the guy want. Perhaps I should have made it clearer.

And both the cymbals that crazyguy mentioned are quite thin, which is why they crash well, so chances are they can make as big or small a crash sound as you want. In fact, I know the Hybrid is as versatile as you want. I've played the ride, hats and crashes. In fact, i played them earlier today. Love the sound of them.

Anyway, what kind of crash sound do you want from your ride, Sabian4015?

mullets suk

11-05-2007, 05:38 PM

I was going to say it may be worth investigating having a brilliant finish top hat for that brilliant closed sound, but a darker, traditional finished cymbal for the warmer open sound. Just a thought.

how much extra would that be, if any. or should i contact a dealer?

spirit

11-05-2007, 05:45 PM

how much extra would that be, if any. or should i contact a dealer?

Well, any dealer will be able to get you any single hat in any size from any range from any company they deal with.

You know Zildjian's K/Z Combo hats? K top, Z bottom for warm sound with a strong chick. They started listing them because they became popular, possibly due to Weckl playing them back in the day when he was with Zildjian. Point is, you can do that too, you just have to ask. The only thing to be wary of is whether you'll like the sound.

Head to a store, and ask if you can play about with the hi hat configurations for a while. If it's any kind of decent shop, they'll have no problem with that, and may even have more advice to offer if you tell them what you're looking for.

mullets suk

11-05-2007, 07:55 PM

fastlane

11-05-2007, 08:27 PM

thanks seafroggys. ill check it out next time im at a music store that carries one. id definately like to try some sabian. all i have now are zildjian but ive kinda got over having all one brand.

spirit

11-06-2007, 04:21 AM

the closest shop around me isnt that great, and most likely wouldn't let me really see them unless i should i was really interested in buying. Thanks for the info, i did email cymbalsonly about pricing, so hopefully ill hear back from them soon. (again sorry if i insulted you in the other thread)

Oh, no problem, here or in that other thread. I suppose I should have posted the second post first and the first one not at all. :p

ant_182

11-06-2007, 07:06 AM

Hey dude, sorry, I read it as you asking what the dude above you said about the cymbals sound lol. I'm debating a K hybrid and A Custom ride =/ and the size... ideas?

mullets suk

11-06-2007, 11:03 AM

anyone here of saluda cymbals. they are cheaper then the versas, at around $150. their are no sound files though, so i have no idea if i should go with the sure thing at around $300 or the smaller company with out hearing it first.

i emailed saluda drums and they recommended these:
14" Diamond Medium Hats (thinner darker top with heavier bottom)
14" Diamond/Black Mist (medium dark top with regular bottom)

any ideas anyone.

iamjoe2

11-13-2007, 04:24 PM

i was looking around on sabians sound check and i noticed the rocktagons sond pretty good, and they sound like theyd suit my sound,

has anyone had any experience with these? are they good or just gimmicky,

any info would be appreciated

crazyguy832

11-13-2007, 04:29 PM

Hey dude, sorry, I read it as you asking what the dude above you said about the cymbals sound lol. I'm debating a K hybrid and A Custom ride =/ and the size... ideas?
K CUSTOM HYBRID

BUY IT

BUY IT NOW

:smash::smash:

anyone here of saluda cymbals. they are cheaper then the versas, at around $150. their are no sound files though, so i have no idea if i should go with the sure thing at around $300 or the smaller company with out hearing it first.

i emailed saluda drums and they recommended these:
14" Diamond Medium Hats (thinner darker top with heavier bottom)
14" Diamond/Black Mist (medium dark top with regular bottom)

any ideas anyone.
No duh we've heard of Saluda cymbals. Hmm... I'm going to say this:

NEVER BUY ANYTHING MUSIC RELATED WITHOUT HEARING IT FIRST

i was looking around on sabians sound check and i noticed the rocktagons sond pretty good, and they sound like theyd suit my sound,

has anyone had any experience with these? are they good or just gimmicky,

any info would be appreciated
They have an interesting sound, for sure. If you like em, buy em.

Drum Phil

11-13-2007, 06:46 PM

Hi hats.

14".

Brightish.

Not A Custom bright.

Maybe a dark/bright hybrid.

Go.

spirit

11-13-2007, 06:58 PM

14 (OK, 13 3/4") K Custom Hybrids

Drum Phil

11-14-2007, 01:55 PM

Perhaps.

static

11-14-2007, 02:32 PM

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/
Paiste-Signature-Series-Reflector-Dark-Crisp-HiHat-Cymbal-Pair?sku=447478

Panopticon

11-14-2007, 02:38 PM

14 (OK, 13 3/4") K Custom Hybrids

It's actually 13.25

spirit

11-14-2007, 02:51 PM

It's actually 13.25

Ach, I knew it was .25" from one of the usual suspects.

Ah well, cheers for the correct.

Trick Fx

11-17-2007, 03:55 PM

Hey all

Ok, I'm looking to expand my cymbal set and this is the first time buying so I dont know what bright, dark hybrid etc is, haha.

Im Looking for some hi-hats, 2 crashes and a ride. I play punk rock so anything that will suit that type of music such as Green Day, Blink 182 etc etc... One crash for repeat hitting like in the chorus and then the other one to accent it, at say the end of a line if you understand, lol, I really am new :P

Looking around mid price range and Im not bothered about brand just that they sound good and will last awhile :D

Thanks alot.

LoneStarDrummer

11-17-2007, 04:01 PM

do you currently have cymbals? if so which ones.

i ask this because if you already have some entry level cymbals such as B8s or zxt's then you should just save up until you afford top of the line cymbals. either that or buy some more of these to fill in for what you don't currently have.

buying mid range cymbals is a big waste of money. you won't be the least bit happy with the purchase because you'll come to realize that for a little more you could have gotten something that sounds really nice. also, mid range cymbals don't sound any better really.

i always say, buy entry level cymbals, learn proper technique so that you won't break expensive and thinner ones, then once you've saved enough, go for top of the line.

ant_182

11-17-2007, 04:03 PM

a custom crashes, a custom hi hats :) ( i know they're pro level)

Trick Fx

11-18-2007, 03:28 PM

Ok.

I've got a stock 18" Pearl Crash Ride atm. I think your right about the mid price range, I've been playing for around 1 and a hlaf years so hopefully I wouldnt break them.

About the A Custom Cymbals, which models are sizes would be best as I dont want to waste my money on something that I don't want.

Thanks

LoneStarDrummer

11-18-2007, 03:38 PM

you really need to make sure you are gonna like the sound. a customs are common for that style, however, i hate them quite a bit. their hi hats aren't bad though.

i much prefer a series crashes and rides. the point i'm making is: if at all possible try them out at a store. if that's not possible, at the very least, listen to them on zildjian's web site.

Drum Phil

11-19-2007, 02:52 PM

Anything bright will do the trick. Think AAX, A Custom, AA, Avedis etc.

Also, neither of the bands are more than pop-rock ;)

ant_182

11-19-2007, 03:52 PM

pop punk/ pop rock lol. Punk ftw. What are rise against classed as?

iamjoe2

11-19-2007, 06:54 PM

crazyguy832

11-19-2007, 07:03 PM

My 6.5" zilbel is a little bit bright than my ride bell, definetely a lot more piercing, though. My 9" ice bell is still fairly similar to my ride bell... but a lot more musical (lulz :smash:) than the zilbel.

Really... no two bells are the same. I've tried zilbels and ice bells I haven't liked, but I love mine.

IHeartDisco

11-20-2007, 12:04 PM

Right I need new hi hats and a crash.
Looking to spend up to £300 max

Style wise general rock.
I havent bought new gear in ages and Im not up to date which is really bad

ant_182

11-20-2007, 12:42 PM

I'd get 18 or 17 A Custom Crash
and some a custom hats, mastersounds imo or paiste 2002's. I'd get 2nd hand for your budget. Unless you wait, try out all the cymbals in the store and get it that way?

IHeartDisco

11-20-2007, 02:52 PM

I'd get 18 or 17 A Custom Crash
and some a custom hats, mastersounds imo or paiste 2002's. I'd get 2nd hand for your budget. Unless you wait, try out all the cymbals in the store and get it that way?

well Im going o head out on my day off this week and try some out anyway and haggle the guy who works at the shop. Ive brought down he price the last couple of times Ive bought stuff in there.

Cheers for the recommendaions though.

ant_182

11-20-2007, 04:17 PM

no problem, I definately recomend a customs, also look at the k crashes. although they will be more pricey. But yeh good luck

Drum Phil

11-20-2007, 07:00 PM

ive decided to get a stagg black metal bell but non af the stores around me sell them so im buying blind....

which size/ weight would be the best to emulate a ride cymbal bell

i have a flat ride so that would be its main purpose

Black metal bells only come in the one weight but i'd reccomend 6". Its a lot more musical and pleasant than your average ride bell IMO.

iamjoe2

11-20-2007, 09:29 PM

they come in light medium and heavy on the 7 in

does anyone own any, if so audio maybe?

Drum Phil

11-20-2007, 10:24 PM

I own a 6". I'd say its the heavy one and i dont have audio of it.

sichate

11-21-2007, 05:50 AM

hey, i need a ride and hi-hats.
i already have a paiste 302 16" crash and a sabian AA rock crash 16". i have some hi-hats and a ride but they came with my beginner kit and so arent even worth mentioning, im looking to replace them. my budget isnt very high, im not totally sure of what it is at the moment. i just want something that sounds good and will do for a few years. any suggestions (including rough price if known, i live in UK btw)?

thanks

spirit

11-21-2007, 06:20 AM

Stagg are good for cheap cymbals that sound good.

Aside from that, you're heading upwards in price. The first things even worth mentioning are Sabian B8's which I've heard are great for the price.

B8's are £145 for a set which includes hats ride and crash. You can replace your 302.
http://www.rockfactory.co.uk/products.php?cat=74

Looks as if a set of Stagg SH are the same price, at least from here:
http://www.drumshop.co.uk/product.php?id=873

If you really only want a ride and crash, you'll probably have to look for second hand B8's or look for some Staggs. Really, it depends on what you like the sound of. Stagg have other ranges you may like the sound of better.
http://www.drumshop.co.uk/category.php?id=34

Since I mentioned second hand cymbals, you may as well look at them. eBay and second hand sections of shops are great for picking up pro quality cymbals at intermediate cymbal prices.

http://www.drumshack.co.uk/prodtype.asp?PT_ID=249

Istanbul and Bosphorus cymbals may be a little out of your (unspecified) price range, but they're cheaper than other pro level cymbals.

And since we're on to mentioning pro level cymbals, my best advice would be to save up and get one piece of pro equipment, then wash, rinse and repeat. You can still go second hand, but it's worth it.

fastlane

11-21-2007, 07:37 AM

about the guy asking for cymbals. the a customs are good cymbals. you do need to try them out and make sure you like them but you can get an a custom pack for about $700 that comes with 14'' hats, 16'' medium crash, and an 18'' fast crash i believe plus the 20'' ride. it might still be a 14'' fast crash instead of the 18''. great cymbals. the set i got and i love them so much

sichate

11-22-2007, 08:24 AM

ok, thanks for the help, found this

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/options.php?id=2248

eventhough i already have the crash from that set im liking it very much considering the price and i already have a cymbal from it so i know the sorta sound that im goin to get.

what do you guys think? worth it as i already have the crash? would it be a decent second crash for a while?

would you recommend buying from US and getting them to send it to england?

Drum Phil

11-22-2007, 10:19 AM

Rock cymbals are very restrictive IMO.

sichate

11-22-2007, 02:44 PM

how are they restrictive?

btw i play for a groove metal/southern rock like band.
i know vinnie paul has used these cymbals in the past and i liked what i heard although the sound from that will have been edited.

ant_182

11-22-2007, 03:44 PM

like, you can only use them in rock situations.

sichate

11-22-2007, 04:00 PM

well like i said i play in a groove metal/southern rock band so i dont think that many non-rock situations will come up apart from when im learning which wont matter at all to me.

any other opinions?

ant_182

11-22-2007, 04:10 PM

I would get used off ebay imo. unless you're going to go pro level. Then get thee to the shop

sichate

11-22-2007, 04:18 PM

ive already looked on ebay, there isnt that much on there, and as for the used, for some reason i cant stand buying second hand things, especially for my kit, otherwise i probably would

ant_182

11-22-2007, 04:27 PM

Well, you could probably wait a little longer (especially just after xmas - unwanted gifts) and get pro cymbals, hardly used for as little as a begginer/intermediate set. But then if you want to be like that then its up to you. It's your money.

sichate

11-22-2007, 04:35 PM

im not sure, i mean i love my sabian AA rock 16" crash, but im not sure if theres anything else that people would say are like these but better or just better then them in general. but for £315 those 3 cymbals are pretty damn cheap

static

11-22-2007, 07:49 PM

18" A Zildjian Medium Thin Crash

Drum Phil

11-23-2007, 12:01 AM

I find rock cymbals also to be restrictive in the sense that you cant really hit them too fast as they need a hell of a swing to get a full sound.

AAXplosions are probably more up your alley.

sichate

11-23-2007, 03:12 AM

fastlane

11-23-2007, 10:24 AM

looking for a main crash to add to my 14'' a custom fast crash and 16'' a custom. the 14'' doesnt do well unmiced. looking for a nice crash to complement the 16''. thinking 17''-19'' sabian or zildjian. any kind of rock and some softer stuff

Drum Phil

11-23-2007, 11:10 AM

why would you recommend AAXplosions over AA rocks? and i cant seem to find anything other then crashes, is that all that there is? and if not is there a set containing some hats, a crash and a ride?

whats the difference between the AA rocks and the AAX series'?

This all just taste here but i would never use a crash over medium-thin weight. Im fairly sure rocks are medium heavy or heavy.

AAXplosions are just crashes, but to match them you can go for AAX Stage hats and theres nothing wrong with an AA Rock Ride.

I like heavy rides personally.

AAX are also a lot brighter than AA's.

sichate

11-23-2007, 02:28 PM

well ive just been out and reserved (for collection tomorrow) AAXplosion 16" and 18" crashes, have to say out of all the other cymbals there, of which there was a lot, they were definately the best there IMO and they both go really well with my AA rock crash.

on a down side i have to wait til christmas for them.

thanks drum phil for the suggestion

Drum Phil

11-23-2007, 02:36 PM

Its cool. Ive got the 19" myself.

I prefer darker crashes myself but damn, i cant take it off my kit.

sichate

11-23-2007, 03:10 PM

yeah there was a 19" there, tried it with the 16" (coz i loved the 16" so damn much and just had to get that) but didnt like it as much as the 18" with the 16". there was a 17" there too, but that really wasnt goin nicely with the 16" and my AA rock. was really suprised how much of a difference an inch made with these cymbals.
now just need to decide what hats to get and need to replace the 302 16" crash that im goin to be using as a ride haha.
any suggestions about those that go well with Xplosions?

ygokazuki

11-24-2007, 07:47 PM

any recommendations for a ride with a loud bell thats good for recording?
i've a Wuhan 20" S now and it's way too washy. would like to spend around 200 if possible.
thanks in advance

Aaron

11-24-2007, 11:43 PM

Sabian Hand-Hammered Raw Bell Dry Ride. 21" I believe.

ygokazuki

11-25-2007, 12:30 AM

Sabian Hand-Hammered Raw Bell Dry Ride. 21" I believe.
thanks for the suggestion sir. HH is a bit out of my range but the AA one looks nice.
any other suggestions anyone?

Aaron

11-25-2007, 01:12 AM

I'd suggest looking for a second-hand K or HH/HHX that's 22" on ebay if HH is too costly.

ygokazuki

11-25-2007, 09:50 AM

I'd suggest looking for a second-hand K or HH/HHX that's 22" on ebay if HH is too costly.
still too costly :( my limit is around $200 and they're all around $300

stylers_new_account

11-25-2007, 12:53 PM

im looking for the HHX evolution cymbals, but more for a rock setting, and in bigger sizes. 18"19"20".

any ideas?

spirit

11-25-2007, 01:05 PM

im looking for the HHX evolution cymbals, but more for a rock setting, and in bigger sizes. 18"19"20".

any ideas?

Only comes in 16" and 18", to the best of my recollection, though I could be mistaken.

If money is no object, ask Sabian. They'll whip up anything you ask them to.

However, money tends to be an object.

I have to admit, I'm not sure what the question is. You know what you want.

If you're describing the sound you like, but want a rockier version in larger sizes, then get just get the 18" Evo, and try out some of the larger HHX's. I'd suggest the HHXplosions and HHXtremes. Also worth a look is the Evo O-Zone, if you want a trashy crash, not least because it comes in 20".

You may also want to check out Dream Bliss 20" Crash/Ride, or some of the other Dream ranges. Cheap, but not cheap sounding. I reckon one of the 20" crash/ride's would suit the kind of thing you're looking for.

mullets suk

11-26-2007, 04:31 AM

so i have decided on the Bosphorus versa hi-hats. ill get them either when i get a pay check, or when x-mas comes around.

the only other thing on my set i would like to update is my crash. Right now im using an 18" AAX stage and a 16" ZBT. what are so cymbals i should look at that would compliment the AAX, and work well with softer music?

maniac0796

11-26-2007, 04:41 AM

Hi Hats.

I want quite a fine sound when they're loose. Like, just resting on each other loosely. Nothing too thick that'll make it sound like a pair of trash cans resting together.

When fully depressed, they need to be quite audible, and project. That might be hard to accomplish with the above criteria of them being not to thick.

And a nice clean opening sound.

The problem I've found is that, because I play with my Hi Hats very loosely open, when I play other hats, they sound awful. Like, dustbin lids or something.

Anyone got any suggestions. I'm open to any brand.

ant_182

11-26-2007, 07:35 AM

paiste 2002 s/e's?

tapioca

11-26-2007, 09:18 AM

hi, guys. long time no see.

anyways. my local drum shop has a nice bargain atm: 8.88€ (~13.18US$) per inch for any Anatolian Ultimate or Emotion cymbal.
I've already tested the Ultimates, because they haven't set up the Emotions yet. I got stuck between an 16", 18" Power and 19" and narrowed my decision down to the 18" and 19". they both have their advantages. I think the 19" could also be very well used as a ride, but I liked the 18" more for its qualities as a "power"ful crash. however, maybe I could get more out of the 19" if I simply hit it with more force.
so, what I'm actually looking for is a new crash cymbal, which complements some good and loud rock music (I got fascinated about Ray Luzier's playing in "Leave It" with Army Of Anyone). I'm going to test out the Emotions as well this week, altough I read about them being suitable as "jazz" cymbals.

any thoughts about these cymbals?

Seafroggys

11-26-2007, 11:01 AM

Drum Phil

11-26-2007, 12:53 PM

thanks for the suggestion sir. HH is a bit out of my range but the AA one looks nice.
any other suggestions anyone?

The AA one is pretty much the same, just a little brighter.

stylers_new_account

11-26-2007, 02:23 PM

Only comes in 16" and 18", to the best of my recollection, though I could be mistaken.

If money is no object, ask Sabian. They'll whip up anything you ask them to.

However, money tends to be an object.

I have to admit, I'm not sure what the question is. You know what you want.

If you're describing the sound you like, but want a rockier version in larger sizes, then get just get the 18" Evo, and try out some of the larger HHX's. I'd suggest the HHXplosions and HHXtremes. Also worth a look is the Evo O-Zone, if you want a trashy crash, not least because it comes in 20".

You may also want to check out Dream Bliss 20" Crash/Ride, or some of the other Dream ranges. Cheap, but not cheap sounding. I reckon one of the 20" crash/ride's would suit the kind of thing you're looking for.

thank ya.

ygokazuki

11-26-2007, 02:50 PM

The AA one is pretty much the same, just a little brighter.oh sweetness, sounds good
thanks for all the help :)

maniac0796

11-26-2007, 03:16 PM

New Beats

And welcome back tapioca, I remember you. I have one of your solos saved on my old computer still.

I tried new beats. They sounded horrible when Half open.

ant_182

11-26-2007, 03:43 PM

Paiste 2002 soundegdes?

maniac0796

11-26-2007, 04:34 PM

They sound quite nice from the sample on the paiste website. I'll have to try em out in person though.

LoneStarDrummer

11-26-2007, 04:42 PM

I tried new beats. They sounded horrible when Half open.

having them fully closed or fully open doesn't sound any better.

new beats are for people who are either too lazy to find a sound they like, enjoy the sound of typicality, like/support conformity, have insensitive hearing, like bland noises, haven't heard any other hi hats, have only heard new beats and b8s, have fooled themselves into thinking they sound great for one of the following reasons:

they are a conformist, are too poor to buy new ones, don't want to admit they wasted money, like ****, are deaf, are part retard, are in various other forms of denial, were/is being molested by a relative.

hope that helps :)

Undisco Kidd

11-26-2007, 04:47 PM

;15597105']having them fully closed or fully open doesn't sound any better.

new beats are for people who are either too lazy to find a sound they like, enjoy the sound of typicality, like/support conformity, have insensitive hearing, like bland noises, haven't heard any other hi hats, have only heard new beats and b8s, have fooled themselves into thinking they sound great for one of the following reasons:

they are a conformist, are too poor to buy new ones, don't want to admit they wasted money, like ****, are deaf, are part retard, are in various other forms of denial, were/is being molested by a relative.

hope that helps :)

You're really dumb.

LoneStarDrummer

11-26-2007, 04:56 PM

you must fall under one of those categories.

Little Android Man

11-26-2007, 05:04 PM

:lol:
Agreed for the most part though. But if people like them it's their thing.

And i love my paragon hats to death even though most people say they aren't very good.

LoneStarDrummer

11-26-2007, 05:22 PM

i find it funny how new beat owners are so sensitive about such comments. just look at how SF reacts to stuff like this.

it makes me wonder why someone who claims these cymbals are so great would get so upset when someone disagrees. perhaps they truly are in denial.

Undisco Kidd

11-26-2007, 05:24 PM

;15597291']i find it funny how new beat owners are so sensitive about such comments. just look at how SF reacts to stuff like this.

it makes me wonder why someone who claims these cymbals are so great would get so upset when someone disagrees. perhaps they truly are in denial.

HAHAHA I FALL UNDER ONE OF THESE GROUPS OF PEOPLE BECAUSE I OWN A CERTAIN TYPE OF CYMBAL.

Grow the **** up. Oh my god, I like my hihats! Yeah, new beats aren't the most unique, but they're versatile, have good body, and sound good. A pair of hollow logo puts to shame any current hihats on the market (with the exception of meinl/istanbul/bosphorus stuff).

LoneStarDrummer

11-26-2007, 05:39 PM

why are you so defensive? calm down before you break a hip you cranky old bastard.

notice how non new beat owners realize i'm only kidding, whereas new beat owners view this as a direct insult toward their very way of life.

why do you feel the necessity to promote you hi hats so much. do you need that much personal convincing.

Plan B.

11-26-2007, 05:58 PM

it's a proven fact that people who play newbeats suck balls at drumming

aax stage's on the other hand are proven to be played by only the finest crop of drummers

LoneStarDrummer

11-26-2007, 06:02 PM

aax stage's on the other hand are proven to be played by only the finest crop of drummerssecond only to hhx power hat players, naturally.

but we all know that goes with out saying.

Little Android Man

11-26-2007, 06:06 PM

evryone noes solar hats playas r the best in the world lolz.

LoneStarDrummer

11-26-2007, 06:10 PM

second only to pearl pro hi hat players, naturally.

but we all know that goes without saying.

static

11-26-2007, 07:01 PM

Undisco Kidd

11-26-2007, 09:45 PM

;15597373']why are you so defensive? calm down before you break a hip you cranky old bastard.

notice how non new beat owners realize i'm only kidding, whereas new beat owners view this as a direct insult toward their very way of life.

why do you feel the necessity to promote you hi hats so much. do you need that much personal convincing.

im pretty sure you have 'newbeat owners' confused with 'seafroggys'.

static

11-26-2007, 10:00 PM

I agree.

Hell, I have New Beats.

Drum Phil

11-27-2007, 12:02 AM

I find new beats bland and boring.

All comes down to what you want really.

ant_182

11-27-2007, 06:55 AM

I find new beats bland and boring.

All comes down to what you want really.

One of the best posts i've seen you make phil

Seafroggys

11-27-2007, 11:18 AM

it's a proven fact that people who play newbeats suck balls at drumming

aax stage's on the other hand are proven to be played by only the finest crop of drummers

have you even listened to my audio?

Panopticon

11-27-2007, 12:11 PM

Paiste 2002 soundegdes?

you suggest that for everything.

crazyguy832

11-27-2007, 12:34 PM

"I'm looking for a crash."
-Paiste 2002 soundedges
"I'm looking for a really nice Sabian china, preferably around 20"-22"."
-Paiste 2002 soundedges

<_<

>_>

Hehehe.

And New Beats are awesome, all of you stfu.

And AAX Stage Hats are bland pieces of crap and I'm sooooo glad I tried them out instead of just buying that pack.

maniac0796

11-27-2007, 01:08 PM

Stage hats are horrible. I mean, they're alright if you have your foot and a breeze block on your pedal, because they're thick, and project like a mother bitch, but the moment your foot loosens off that pedal, they just sound awful.

I was playing my Teachers kit today, he has some 13" paiste signature dark energy hats. My god, they sound awesome. But cost so much :(

Drum Phil

11-27-2007, 01:28 PM

What? Stage hats are thin as hell :-/ Or the ones i tried were.

ant_182

11-27-2007, 03:46 PM

you suggest that for everything.

No I dont, you only see me suggest that to people who ask for that sound...

Little Android Man

11-27-2007, 05:36 PM

have you even listened to my audio?

Lol sorry froggeh but you kind of proved everything that was just being argued.

LoneStarDrummer

11-27-2007, 05:43 PM

haha. my thoughts exactly.

Plan B.

11-27-2007, 05:47 PM

stage hats thick?! wtf, i wish they were thick, mine are too thin for, i'd like more projection/definition outta them

you must be playing like paperthin slosh hats or something to think stages are thick

lol sabian should make some AAX Slosh Hats

static

11-27-2007, 05:47 PM

Lol sorry froggeh but you kind of proved everything that was just being argued.

lmaooooooooo

LoneStarDrummer

11-27-2007, 05:49 PM

you must be playing like paperthin slosh hats or something to think stages are thick

well, when you start to think new beats sound nice, that's when you know you're sense of reality is off. the poor kid is so confused.

Plan B.

11-27-2007, 05:52 PM

classic case of the newbeat-dissociative effect

not much we can do about it now

won't be much longer until he's buying earth rides and remarking on how good radia's sound

LoneStarDrummer

11-27-2007, 06:00 PM

yeah. it's kind of like herpes - you can repress the effects by making them try other better sounding cymbals, but it always comes back. they turn stupid again and start to get that new beat itch. before long they've broken out in sores and the process starts over again.

maybe one day their will be cure, but not any time soon. he's so young too. that's the sad part.

Seafroggys

11-27-2007, 08:24 PM

Lol sorry froggeh but you kind of proved everything that was just being argued.

I actually didn't read anything past that point, I just responded to it. After reading it, well, whatever. Its not like I care that you were being sarcastic. But oh well.

I've never played Earth Rides to be honest. Don't think I'd like them. My Ping Ride is enough.

Drum Phil

11-27-2007, 09:53 PM

classic case of the newbeat-dissociative effect

not much we can do about it now

won't be much longer until he's buying earth rides and remarking on how good radia's sound

Radia bells are nice :) And i quite like the chinas.

maniac0796

11-28-2007, 10:28 AM

The stage hats we have a college are quite thick.

Basically, I'm looking for something that sounds really nice when sloshy.

crazyguy832

11-28-2007, 10:35 AM

New Beats.

<_<

>_>

^_^

Although, I've got to admit, Vault hats have a really nice sound when played partly open.

crazyguy832

11-28-2007, 10:36 AM

classic case of the newbeat-dissociative effect

not much we can do about it now

won't be much longer until he's buying earth rides and remarking on how good radia's sound
I wouldn't mind an earth ride, but I don't plan on buying one. K Custom Hybrid FTW!

\m/>_<\m/

Never really heard radia's... what line are they under?

tapioca

11-28-2007, 11:10 AM

And welcome back tapioca, I remember you. I have one of your solos saved on my old computer still.

that's cool. I guess I haven't really improved since then, but I'm still playing drums, regularly in bands now though.

a word to the Anatolians: to me, they all got a very raw, rather cold sound, well suited for strong and violent music. the Emotions are softer, but still carry parts of that raw sound. they have almost no distinct sound at the impact of the sticks, so it would indeed suite to music like Jazz (I tried a 18" thin crash, very nice). finally, both lines have a nice, long decay.
so, I went for the 18" Utimate Power Crash. can't wait to try them out on my set tomorrow.

spirit

11-28-2007, 12:49 PM

I wouldn't mind an earth ride, but I don't plan on buying one. K Custom Hybrid FTW!

\m/>_<\m/

Never really heard radia's... what line are they under?

I think they're one about Radia Cup Chimes. They were made by Sabian, and I think they were Terry Bozzio's signature cymbals. They don't make them anymore, to the best of my knowledge.

They're rather thick, Zil-Bell like even, which was what they were getting at at the time.

Drum Phil

11-28-2007, 01:28 PM

Yeah radias are bozzios signature cymbals and have long been out of production.

Most of them were horrible but i like the chinas and bells.

spirit

11-28-2007, 06:28 PM

On another note, I did just purchase some New Beats, but they're slightly different to the average set.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150188040038&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=005

Panopticon

11-29-2007, 05:11 PM

Yeah radias are bozzios signature cymbals and have long been out of production.

Most of them were horrible but i like the chinas and bells.

no sabian cymbal ever goes out of production. You can always get them to make you any sabian cymbal that didnt say prototype on it.

spirit

11-29-2007, 05:34 PM

no sabian cymbal ever goes out of production. You can always get them to make you any sabian cymbal that didnt say prototype on it.

A custom order does not a production run make.

Or, stop being wrong. If they've stopped production of it, it's out of production. The fact that you can special order it is neither here nor there, though it is useful if you want a cymbal that is out of production.

mullets suk

11-29-2007, 05:37 PM

the only other thing on my set i would like to update is my crash. Right now im using an 18" AAX stage and a 16" ZBT. what are so cymbals i should look at that would compliment the AAX, and work well with softer music?

any help?

static

11-29-2007, 06:25 PM

Sabian 17" HHX Evolution

LoneStarDrummer

11-29-2007, 06:38 PM

do want something to compliment with a similar sound of contrast with a darker sound?

many people ignore the fact that a contrasting sound will still work with the other cymbal as long as the blend. it'll also add depth to you sound palate.

i like to have bright and dark cymbals. that's my reasoning behind having both paragon and hhx cymbals.

if you want a similar sound, just stick with a nice AAX cymbal. if you want a contrasting sound, try out HHX cymbals. hhx stage crashes are absolutely beautiful.

to be technical, complementary would actually apply an opposite sound much like complementary colors.

mullets suk

11-29-2007, 07:14 PM

to be technical, complementary would actually apply an opposite sound much like complementary colors.

this. ill check out the HHX, any other ideas?

static

11-29-2007, 07:15 PM

Sabian 17" HHX Evolution

hey how are you

Panopticon

11-29-2007, 08:06 PM

A custom order does not a production run make.

Or, stop being wrong. If they've stopped production of it, it's out of production. The fact that you can special order it is neither here nor there, though it is useful if you want a cymbal that is out of production.

go to music store...order 16" radia chinese...they do it...you get it...guaranteed...try it if you want.

spirit

11-30-2007, 11:44 AM

go to music store...order 16" radia chinese...they do it...you get it...guaranteed...try it if you want.

So what you're saying is that they're still in production, but no longer listed in catalogues or on the Sabian site? Possible, but I'm unconvinced.

Having checked the Sabian site, they still list the 18" Radia Chinese.

It should be noted that we were talking about Radia chimes though.

It should also be noted I wasn't arguing specifically about the Radia series, just arguing against your statement.

Drum Phil

11-30-2007, 01:39 PM

As said, they're out of production but they'll still make them.

They are no longer part of a production line. Hence out of production.

oliv_da_skinmasher

11-30-2007, 01:42 PM

Indeed. They'll make any of their 'discontinued' cymbals

Aaron

11-30-2007, 09:45 PM

Is that the same with other brands?

crazyguy832

11-30-2007, 10:00 PM

Sometimes. I don't know of any off by heart but, in theory, yes.

Aaron

11-30-2007, 10:09 PM

OOOohhhh..

ygokazuki

11-30-2007, 11:56 PM

any recommendations for a ride with a loud bell thats good for recording?
i've a Wuhan 20" S now and it's way too washy. would like to spend around 200 if possible.
thanks in advance
so I've done some research and quite like the Z Custom ride and the AAX Metal ride. What are your opinions on these?
Thanks.

crazyguy832

12-01-2007, 12:06 AM

ygokazuki

12-01-2007, 12:14 AM

Z Custom Ride isn't bad, nor is the AAX Metal Ride.

But... loud bell? ANY professional ride will be good for recording (some may be a little more difficult, but they'll all work.

AA Raw Bell ride is AMAZING. As well, the A Ping Ride has a really nice bell sound. Finally, look into Chris Adler's ride (as a man who only cares about the ride bell... you know it's good :thumb: ).
thanks for the quick respons!
AA Raw Bell was suggested to me, but imo was too washy. (then again this is only by listening to soundclips)
the A ping looks cool too tho, thanks for the pointer (listening to soundclips, sound kinda washy with a lot of high overtones...idk not what I was goin for)
and the chris adler ride is way outta my range lol, like 450.
thx again

crazyguy832

12-01-2007, 12:17 AM

O_O

THOSE

CLIPS

ARE

LIES

The AA Raw Bell and A Ping are two of the LEAST washy rides I have EVER heard.

Trust me on this one. You play with either of those rides at a half-decent volume level with guitars going, there is NO wash being heard. I don't even mean metal volume. I mean amped PERIOD. Church worship level stuff.

And, I mean, god DAMN it... the A PING ride!!! The A Custom Ping ride, yes, has a lot of wash. But just the straight A Ping ride... god damn it. Besides being the greatest ride evar, it is PING!!! >_<

ygokazuki

12-01-2007, 12:32 AM

woa that was emphatic lol. thanks much for the info, appreciate it!

Seafroggys

12-01-2007, 12:46 AM

ygokazuki

12-01-2007, 12:56 AM

Having a 22" Pinger, it does have ping, but its by no means dead. You can check out any of my audio here http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandid=771271&content=music if you wanted to hear what it sounds like with guitars going in a musical context.

thanks, I listened to Cold, sounded great! pretty much how I want it haha.
so would you say the AA Raw Bell sounds similar to the 22 Ping? Can't quite afford the latter.

crazyguy832

12-01-2007, 09:49 AM

Ummm... where I am, the two rides are about the same price.

Look into the 20" A Ping. It's bother cheaper and (imho, just barely) sounds better than the 22".

^_^

The AA Raw Bell is a MUCH different ride from the A Ping. It has a very distinct bell and crashes much differently.

Really, as with anything musical, try em both out and decide which one you like more.

You could also possibly look into a HH Raw Bell, although that'd probably be a little too dark for your tastes. Personally, I'm going to be picking up a HH Raw Bell at some point in the future to compliment my A Ping Ride... as well as a K Custom Ride.

<_<

>_>

I swear that's it, though!

ygokazuki

12-01-2007, 08:19 PM

my bad on the price, you're right.
I would indeed like a very distinct bell, but I don't plan on crashing on it, as that's one of the main reasons I'm buying a ride - to use my Wuhan S 20" ride as the crash it really seems to be.
I was lookin at the HH raw bell too, it's too expensive tho.
I need to try the Z Custom, AA Raw Bell, and A Ping, basically...ugh, how I loathe guitar center. oh well.

static

12-01-2007, 11:56 PM

AA Raw Bell > ZBT Ride > Ping Ride.

Seriously.

crazyguy832

12-01-2007, 11:59 PM

o_O

No.

Just........... no.

Seafroggys

12-02-2007, 12:01 AM

AA Raw Bell > ZBT Ride > Ping Ride.

Seriously.

You are not serious.

I can understand liking washy rides more. BUt saying a ZBT owns a Ping...no, sorry.

drummguy731

12-02-2007, 12:05 AM

You want washy? Get the 24" K Light Ride; now that's washy.

Drum Phil

12-03-2007, 01:51 PM

I would stear clear of Z Custom rides to be honest. They're far too restrictive and only useful as second rides.

Im rather partial to the Sabian HH Rock Ride

ygokazuki

12-03-2007, 02:58 PM

I would stear clear of Z Custom rides to be honest. They're far too restrictive and only useful as second rides.

Im rather partial to the Sabian HH Rock Ride
thanks very much for your input. HH stuff is too expensive, but I appreciate your thoughts on the Z custom

oliv_da_skinmasher

12-03-2007, 03:02 PM

Nothing is too expensive. You're paying for quality man. Z customs are pants

ygokazuki

12-03-2007, 05:22 PM

Z customs are pants
I...don't...know...if that's good or not! *head explodes*

crazyguy832

12-03-2007, 05:42 PM

Neither do I.

o_O

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MeaninglessPhoto

12-03-2007, 07:08 PM

Pants, TMK, is bad.

But Z Customs arent bad. They just arent versatile.

crazyguy832

12-03-2007, 09:17 PM

20" Z Custom China.

Considering it's Zildjian's only china I really like (and I REALLY like it), you gotta give the Z Custom line some props.

Rest of the line is ballz.

XD

MeaninglessPhoto

12-03-2007, 09:19 PM

the only Z Customs I like are the Thrash Ride, Mega bell ride and the chinas.

crazyguy832

12-03-2007, 09:28 PM

That mega bell ride is okay, but if I was to get a ride like that, I'd rather get Adler's.

That thing's a beast.

\m/>_<\m/

ygokazuki

12-03-2007, 09:33 PM

mkay, I'm going for either AA raw bell dry, 20" A ping, or AAX metal...hmm....

crazyguy832

12-03-2007, 09:34 PM

Yes, yes, no.

Is this your first ride?

If so, the AAX-Metal is a little too unversatile, imo. HOWEVER, if it's your fav of the three, by all means grab it, it's a great ride.

ygokazuki

12-03-2007, 09:37 PM

2nd ride - I started out with a Wuhan S pack, I like its hat and crash but the ride is way washy so I'm making it a rightside crash.

crazyguy832

12-03-2007, 09:39 PM

Wuhans don't count.

XD

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ygokazuki

12-03-2007, 09:50 PM

oi **** you :P
im thinkin AA...it seems to be held in very high esteem, and recommendations from MX have never let me down before :)

Little Android Man

12-03-2007, 09:54 PM

Man a guy was playing a Z Custom China at a gig the other night... it sounded so good.

Drum Phil

12-03-2007, 11:07 PM

Mine does.

I love my Z Custom china too much.

ant_182

12-04-2007, 07:29 AM

What do the Z Custom Chinas sound like?

static

12-04-2007, 01:44 PM

Good.

crazyguy832

12-04-2007, 02:35 PM

^^^
Yup.

Drum Phil

12-04-2007, 02:50 PM

Like hitting a huge plate glass window with a solid gold baseball bat.

They've got a quick bite with insane volume and just the right level of trash.

ant_182

12-04-2007, 03:32 PM

^ be best tapping the corner. Thats the weakest spot

potter545

12-04-2007, 04:42 PM

i read the beginin of dis thread nd heard that heavy dark sounding cymbals were expensive so was jus wonderin if anyone knew which cymbals would be nice and dark and heavy, bt nt be 2 expensive

cheers

static

12-04-2007, 04:54 PM

lol wut

crazyguy832

12-04-2007, 05:45 PM

ah-hem...

"I read the beginning of this thread and heard that heavy, dark cymbals were expensive. Due to the nature of this, I am asking whether or not there are any dark, heavy cymbals which are not of the expensive nature.

My mother drank a lot when I was a child and my father thinks he's British. This beer I'm currently holding is... oh, fell onto my lap. Cheerio!"

The answer to your question is:

not really, no.

You get what you pay for.

spirit

12-04-2007, 05:50 PM

I'd rep you again if I could.

Your only hope is second hand, and even then, they're not particularly cheap, just cheaper. You could scour eBay for months to find a deal you like.

crazyguy832

12-04-2007, 05:58 PM

ilu, man

\m/>_<\m/

Drum Phil

12-04-2007, 10:22 PM

^ be best tapping the corner. Thats the weakest spot

Wouldnt sound as impressive then would it, thus ruining my similie.

CitiZeN_3rAseD

12-13-2007, 06:19 AM

Hey guys I'm new here and I want some advice, but I'm kinda going the wrong way about it here. I'm after new hats and I'm not completely sure what to get. If you haven't guessed I'm a massive Muse fan (by my name), meaning I also love the sound of Dominic Howard's hats. He uses 14" K Custom Special dry hats, but I'm also open to suggestions.
I usually play progressive type stuff(my band just does covers for now), Muse, Coheed and Cambria, The Mars Volta bands like that. But we also delve into heavier stuff such as Silverchair, so I'm looking for something that my give me the balance.

So to be brief, I want 14" K Custom Special dry hats, but i'm not totally sure, what do you guys think??

I'm going shopping tomorrow, and im bringing something home, so the sooner the better!!
Cheers

Aaron

12-13-2007, 06:25 AM

If you're gigging those hats will get lost in the mix of guitars and bass unless they're mic'd up, to be honest. I've got a 16" K Custom Special Dry Crash, and although it's godly sounding, live it's lost easily. I'd suggest 13" K/Z Dyno Beats if you need that bit of projection and cutting. I'm a huge muse fan [seen them live 6 times, met them etc] and play the 13" K/Zs doing covers of them. They work well because the bottom hat is reeeeal thick and add weight to them. Oooh you're an Aussie, even better, welcome aboard!

CitiZeN_3rAseD

12-13-2007, 06:34 AM

Cheers Mate!
Wollongong....I'm originally from Dapto, nice!
Cheers for that, I'm only really taking up drums seriously recently, I've been playing rarely because I play for the state in footy (proper footy not AFL) so I get bugger all time to play, but with the addition of a band it's heplping a lot, although my knowledge of what sounds good and what doesn't is particularly shithouse.
But anyway, I'm gonna make sure I try a bunch out before I buy anything, I'm not dumb enough to do the "I want that one" trick.

spirit

12-13-2007, 05:45 PM

You may want to give Sabian HHX Evolution hats a look over, as well as K Mastersounds, and K Custom Hybrids. All pricey, but so are the Special Drys.

CitiZeN_3rAseD

12-13-2007, 05:51 PM

Price isn't really an obstacle, I'm going to get what sounds good, not what's good enough for my price range, but I'll make sure to have a good look at all of those.

Thanks mate

spirit

12-13-2007, 05:58 PM

Price isn't really an obstacle, I'm going to get what sounds good, not what's good enough for my price range, but I'll make sure to have a good look at all of those.

Thanks mate

Good attitude.

CitiZeN_3rAseD

12-13-2007, 06:29 PM

Cheers,I really don't want to regret what I bought, say six months down the track, so I've got more than enough for any of those, and I've put aside about 3 hours to make sure of what I want, but hopefully I won't need 3 hours

oliv_da_skinmasher

12-14-2007, 06:21 AM

Yeah thats the best way man

CitiZeN_3rAseD

12-14-2007, 06:58 AM

I did the trip and I came home with the HHX evolutions, unfortunately for me The Special dries were half price and sold out, but I'm extremely happy with the hats I've got, thanks for the info, i doubt I would have looked at them if it wasn't for you guys!

NickC

12-14-2007, 09:12 AM

I'm after a new ride.
My Hi hats are Zildjian Z Customer Dyno Beats.
I want a ride which I can transfer to from my hats, without a massive contrast in sound.

I want a nice clear, cutting ping. (emphasis on the nice. I don't want an offensive sound which just sounds out of place)
I want it to be crashable, and loud when crashed.
Preferably a decent sized (as I'm not always the most accrurate drummer) bell which has a nice yet unoffensive ping to it.

My budget is around £200.

Thanks in advance to your suggestions!

crazyguy832

12-14-2007, 11:12 AM

Eergmm...

Good, clear, ping and bell, don't generally work alongside crashable all that well.

Besides crashable, I'm gonna reccomend the A Ping Ride or the AA Raw Bell Dry Ride. With crashable... I don't buy crashable rides.

:smash:

NickC

12-14-2007, 11:58 AM

OK.
Thanks for that.
I hope I'm wording it right, does "ping" basically mean good stick definition? I always use nylon tips as well which helps with that.
And it doesn't have to be officially a crashable ride. It just needs to sound musical if it is crashed rather than just a muddy ear killing sound.

spirit

12-15-2007, 10:25 AM

^
I think crazy is right on the button with his suggestions. I think the AA Raw Bell Dry Ride would fit the bill, though if you could stretch to the HH version, perhaps second hand given your budget, you may like that more. Or maybe not.

I did the trip and I came home with the HHX evolutions, unfortunately for me The Special dries were half price and sold out, but I'm extremely happy with the hats I've got, thanks for the info, i doubt I would have looked at them if it wasn't for you guys!

Thanks for letting us know. I'm glad I could help.

NickC

12-15-2007, 12:34 PM

Daven

12-16-2007, 10:38 PM

I'm looking for a new main crash since my SHITTY ZXT died. :/ I want a 16" medium one with a dark and dry sound. The most I can afford is about $230.

Thanks for any help.

Seafroggys

12-16-2007, 10:47 PM

16" won't make a good main crash, to be honest. At least a 17".

I'd look into the K Darks.

crazyguy832

12-16-2007, 10:54 PM

Seafroggys, a lot of people dislike larger crashes. If the man wants a 16"er, let him get it.

crazyguy832

12-16-2007, 10:55 PM

I gave them both a play in the drum shop and went with the A Ping Ride in the end.
Just the sound I was after!
Although I didn't see a HH version so didn't get to try that.
I also tried some Z customs, but they just sounded really muddy after a couple of strokes. No definition at all.
Thanks for your help though Crazyguy!
Killer choice on the A Ping, man, glad to see another one on the forums with one!

:smoke:

Did you get the 20" or the 22"?

As a side note: in a band situations, rides like the Z Customs will lose most of their "mud" behind the wailing guitars and such (but they'd still sound bad XD). Even the ping ride has a fair amount of wash when you lay into it. You always gotta remember that 3/4 or more of a cymbal's wash will be lost in amplified situations.

:chug:

Aaron

12-17-2007, 05:20 AM

Cheers Mate!
Wollongong....I'm originally from Dapto, nice!
Cheers for that, I'm only really taking up drums seriously recently, I've been playing rarely because I play for the state in footy (proper footy not AFL) so I get bugger all time to play, but with the addition of a band it's heplping a lot, although my knowledge of what sounds good and what doesn't is particularly poophouse.
But anyway, I'm gonna make sure I try a bunch out before I buy anything, I'm not dumb enough to do the "I want that one" trick.
Haha won't hold that against you. I joke. Dapto dogs all the way.
Grab me if you need a hand anytime.

NickC

12-17-2007, 06:11 AM

I got the 20".
I played the 22" and I couldn't hear that much difference in sound, so the 20" won because it's cheaper and means I don't have to buy a new, bigger cymbal case!

It's a great all round cymbal!
I play in very different bands, a Jazz quintet, an (80's style) emo band and a fast thrash hardcore punk band. And I can use this cymbal for them all!