*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[fastlane]

^ that helps! im kinda looking into staying with the zlidjian brand. mixing different zildjians doesnt bother me at all but completely different brands is weird to me. lol idk im weird like that i guess. but i was really looking to staying with zildjian. i was thinking a 17" or 18" as well. when i do get to try a cymbal out where all spots on the china should i hit it? i mean i know you can hit it like a crash or you can use it as a ride etc. sorry im really ineducated about them @_@

[periculosus]

Hi I'm not a regular in the forums, but now I am in desperate need of help. I have being saving money to buy new cymbals and now that I have it I can´t decide between meinl's amun or sabian's Xs20. so if any one can help giving me pros and cons of the cymbasl or what should I get, I will apreciate it a lot. Thanks.

[drummguy731]

Well, the Sabian XS20's are pretty decent cymbals, but you might wanna save up even more and buy high-end cymbals. Whether they be high-end Sabians, Zildjians, Paistes, or Meinls, you can't go wrong with them. Most of the high-end models will end up beign more versatile and acoustically pleasing. What I suggest is save up money, buy a pair of good hi-hats and a ride and then go from there. I'd also get a medium weight ride with good crashability so it can be used for a crash if absolutely needed. Then after those, maybe add on a crash or two and then the rest from there. But you won't regret getting high-end cymbals, you could easily regret spending all your money on lower end cymbals and then feel like you want to upgrade. Also, go and try the cymbals out, listen to them, play them with your own sticks, see if the staff will let you put them on a set to play, think about it, then make your decision. Good luck!

[periculosus]

thanks man, I'm nothing near a pro player, i do play in a couple of bands. the thing is high end cymbals are really expensive to get here in Guate. I do own a ride and hihats (sabian B8) so right now in my possibilities is either the Meinl-Amun or the Sabian-Xs20. I'm planing to get a china, splash and a crash.

[drummguy731]

Alright man, it's your money, but they are worth the price.

[periculosus]

but what should I choose :( !?!?!?

[fishbulb]

I know nothing about Meinl so get the XS20's?

[fastlane]

ok guys ive talked it over with my band buddies and kinda got a list of songs were going to play so maybe it might help you guys help me find a general direction. We will be playing stuff such as: Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, Default, Shinedown, Maroon 5, Stone Sour, RHCP??, Tenacious-D, and Cold Play. Those aren't set in stone but its a more general idea than just rock etc. I have a lesson today so I'm going to talk to my teacher as well. Hopefully I can get to a store soon and try some more out.

edit: this has nothing to do with the above but when I bought my kit it came with the pearl hats and the crash/ride. right now they're sitting under my bed. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas what i might be able to do with them. The hi-hats actually have a pretty good sound and I like them but the crash/ride is a piece. It's ok to crash on i guess but it sucks as a ride. LOL but anyways anything I can do to make a cheap effect cymbal etc.? I was thinking rivets or something.

[crazyguy832]

I'm looking for a ride with a nice, big, cutting bell. The ride noise itself is secondary to the awesomeness of the bell. I've looked at Zildjian's stuff (crap for the most part, but you gotta love that Ping Ride :p) and Sabian's (quite nice, actually, for that kinda thing, especially in the HH/HHX series), but nothing's quite right. Knowing little about any other brand, your help would be much appreciated.

:chug:

Edit: to fastlane... if you can think of it, you can do it. Stacks are always fun to try. ;)

[fishbulb]

Doesn't paiste have a 24" Mega bell ride or something? Sounds pretty promising to the sound you are looking for.

[fastlane]

yea theres something called a mega bell but im not sure what the brand of it is.

edit: heres a few links

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Zildjian-Z-Custom-Mega-Bell-Ride?sku=441297

http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemID=39747&ovchn=YAH&ovcpn=Yahoo+SSP&ovcrn=39747&ovtac=PI&AffiliateID=330

paiste has a 2oo2 mega bell ride but i couldnt find one

[crazyguy832]

Yarg, I know of that Z Custom big bell. The sounds clips on Zildjian's page sounded fugly, but I'll still try it out at some point.

That Meinl cymbal looks awesome.

o_O

must...find...sound...clips...

Holy crap that thing sounds awesome.

Now I just need to find a store in Winnipeg that sells Meinl.

>_<

[Drum Phil]

Meinl is always a good option.

[fastlane]

^^ glad i could help. that meinl looks really good too :P

[Mr. Grill]

Sound Caster's always looked like cheap cymbals to me, but I've never played any of them. Are they pro level cymbals?

[drummguy731]

I don't think so.

http://paiste.com/products/cymbals/rude_rides.php

The very top one, John Dolmayan went with Paiste to create a sig ride. The sound clips don't sound too bad for a metal mega bell ride.

[drummguy731]

http://www.mycymbal.com/details.php?view=149

http://www.mycymbal.com/details.php?view=222

http://www.mycymbal.com/details.php?view=124

[crazyguy832]

Thanks for the help, everyone.

Got some ideas now for when I go cymbal shopping.

Won't be for a couple months, but still... idears are fun!

^_^

[Drum Phil]

http://paiste.com/products/cymbals/images/signature/blue_bell_ride.jpg

Paiste blue bell ride :)


I reckon this would do you well:

http://paiste.com/products/cymbals/images/signature/dark_metal_ride.jpg

22" Paiste dark metal ride

[fastlane]

^ those are nice looking. how do they sound though???

[Drum Phil]

Dunno about the blue bell but the black metal is incredible.

[raz0r]

Dunno about the blue bell but the black metal is incredible.

It's heavy as hell. But that's a good thing.

[gimp fest]

Sound Caster's always looked like cheap cymbals to me, but I've never played any of them. Are they pro level cymbals?

Soundcaster range is now discontinued. Soundcaster Custom is the only range now. But both are pro lines and SCC's are tremendous cymbals imo.

[fishbulb]

Why is that cymbal blue?

[Drum Phil]

Why not?

Its a Limited edition i beleive.

[kc1296426]

Why not pink? :(

[Drum Phil]

You can get pink :)

[Seafroggys]

I must admit that blue Paiste looks amazing.

I'd love to buy some of these as well (my drum shop stocks them)

http://www.rtdrumsets.com/images/arzatcymb/arzat.jpg

http://www.rtdrumsets.com/images/arzatcymb/groupamedia.jpg

[Drum Phil]

I love paiste coloursounds too :D

[DrumIntoTheNight]

http://paiste.com/products/cymbals/images/signature/dark_metal_ride.jpg

22" Paiste dark metal ride


Dream ride right there. I don't even care what it sounds like.

[the_pure_drummer]

[QUOTE=Drum Phil;15061693]http://paiste.com/products/cymbals/images/signature/blue_bell_ride.jpg

Paiste blue bell ride :)


Copeland sig ride.

Drummer for the police. Hence the blue.

[Drum Phil]

Ah.

































































I honestly dont care.

[fishbulb]

Whoa, guess what guys.

This thread is over 5000 posts, somebody make a new one.

Unless we shouldn't.

[Seafroggys]

Umm its been over 5000 for a good, like 6 months now.

The whole 5000 thing was some bs thing ebe came up with. I've seen plenty of threads on other sub-forums with much more that are still active.

[fishbulb]

I know it has been for a while but nobody said anything.

[spirit]

Umm its been over 5000 for a good, like 6 months now.

The whole 5000 thing was some bs thing ebe came up with. I've seen plenty of threads on other sub-forums with much more that are still active.

Who is this 'ebe' you speak of?

[fishbulb]

ebe9, he is a bass moderator who came in here to make so-called "improvements" but was hated by all.

[spirit]

ebe9, he is a bass moderator who came in here to make so-called "improvements" but was hated by all.

Really? Damn. And here I was, being all smart, assuming it meant 'everybody else'.

My brain often overworks the situation, especially on the internet.

[drummguy731]

I wish I could find some sound on that Blue Bell ride, it looks amazing.

[ludvista29]

I wonder if my drum teacher could order it in for me to try...hmm

[Drum Phil]

I think its essentially the dark metal ride but blue.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Correct. It has slight sound differences to fit Copeland more

[Stickman Sam]

I can't imagine why Copeland wouldn't just use a standard dark metal ride...

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[fishbulb]

Because he's so pimp that he needs a blue ride and Paiste hooks him up.

[ludvista29]

^Win

[fastlane]

ha i agree ^ b/c he can pretty much :p

[XxColt13xX]

how good are AA Metal X crashes from Sabian?

[static]

Meh.

[XxColt13xX]

Meh.

not too good?

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

No.

What sound are you wanting?

[static]

Yeah. They are very one-dimensional.

[XxColt13xX]

I play thrash metal and i've got xs 20's right now...i want something better for sure. I don't play much jazz or anything else. I just play all types of metal so..

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Try AAX stage crashes/HH Rock crashes/HHXtreme crashes. All good for thrash

[XxColt13xX]

Try AAX stage crashes/HH Rock crashes/HHXtreme crashes. All good for thrash

BUT i'm worried about cracking cymbals...i tend to make a habit out of it.

[spirit]

BUT i'm worried about cracking cymbals...i tend to make a habit out of it.

Then you probably have technique issues.

[XxColt13xX]

Then you probably have technique issues.

probably

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Yep. If you break ANY of the cymbals I listed your an idiot and shouldnt play drums

[spirit]

probably

Then may I advise working those issues out first?

[fishbulb]

Yep. If you break ANY of the cymbals I listed your an idiot and shouldnt play drums

No, don't be that harsh.

You do need to develop better technique though.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Most of them are pretty hardcore cymbals tbh. I didn't mean to sound harsh tho

[XxColt13xX]

yeah, it doesn't matter. i probably have bad technique but whatever. i'm kinda trying to work on it. it just seems like i just hit a bit too hard...I'm not saying i crack a cymbal every month. i've played like a year and cracked two though.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Yeah, Hitting hard isn't a problem, I SMASH at my cymbals, but have never broken anything(except a wuhan china thats bell exploded) it's how you hit them not how hard

[fishbulb]

Correct Playing Technique
Avoid Undue Shock Circular Cuts Example The cymbal's edge is the thinnest and most delicate part so how you strike it and at which angle is very important. It is generally best to angle the cymbal at a downward position so you will be able to hit it with a glancing blow. You can also strike the cymbal using a pull back stroke technique (see fig. 14 a & b), which avoids undue shock and stress to the cymbal. Hitting the cymbal dead on in a mounted position (see photo 3), will cause unnecessary stress and breakage. This stress does not allow the cymbal to vibrate correctly, and often a player will tend to overplay the cymbal because of incorrect angles and heights.

Sometimes drummers prefer mounting their cymbals all flat, usually for visual effect. If you choose to do this, we suggest you mount your cymbals low enough to strike them with glancing blows. This will make them last a long time while achieving the look you want.

Remember to choose the right cymbal for the situation. An example of a poor choice would be a small, light cymbal for Heavy Metal music. Overplaying a cymbal will not give you more sound, it will only cause the cymbal to break before its time. Overplaying also makes you work harder than necessary. Spend time getting familiar with your cymbals and their dynamic ranges. The more you know about them, the better you will play them.


Taken from: http://paiste.com/faqs/

That whole page is worth reading.

[XxColt13xX]

Taken from: http://paiste.com/faqs/

That whole page is worth reading.

thanks man. I was contemplating changing my setup to angle my cymbals down at me a little more.




Okay yall have said that the aa metal x's are one dimensional, care to elaborate? how do they sound? how is the decay?

[fishbulb]

I've never played them, but apparently they only fit metal, so if you do try to play softer rock or funk, they will sound too trashy and "in your face". Also, you can only get one sound out of them, and are "one-dimensional". A Customs produce a wide array of different sounds depending on how you play it, whereas the Metal-X's have one main sound to them.

[XxColt13xX]

for now i think i'll order the aa metal x 16 and 18's with a free splash

then later upgrade my kit to maybe some a customs

[TTTSNB]

^ Light, thin cymbals actually tend to last longer, haha, they're less brittle.

[fastlane]

i love my a customs. you cant go wrong with them. if you dont get a chance to play them at least try to get a sound clip. i have a 16'' and a 14'' fast crash. both are really good but i love the 16'' sound. im reallying thinking about a 17'' or a 19'' eventually b/c i dont care too much for the sound of the 18'' but then again i like the K's :P

[Chippy569]

^ Light, thin cymbals actually tend to last longer, haha, they're less brittle.

to a point. There comes a point where a cymbal is SO thin that it's actually more likely to shatter.


for most really heavy players, that point is somewhere around a "medium" or "medium light" weight.


and Z customs are horrid because of the hammering pattern, not cuz of the thickness.

[fishbulb]

for now i think i'll order the aa metal x 16 and 18's with a free splash

then later upgrade my kit to maybe some a customs

But Metal-Xs cost practically the same amount as A Customs so you might as well save your money and get what you want first. It's like saying that you want a $10,000 car, but you will get a $9,900 car first so you can save and upgrade to the $10,000 car later. Not practical.

[Aaron]

Alright, can't decide which to pair with my 22" K Heavy:
20" HHX Manhattan Ride, 20" K Crash-Ride or 20" K Ride.

Needed for multiple styles of a mostly low to medium volume setting.

[fastlane]

what is your setup?

[Aaron]

what is your setup?

13" K/Z Special Hats
16" K Custom Special Dry Crash
22" K Heavy Ride
two splashes [I own a selection of 8 currently]
18" Amun Medium [occasionally, recent purchase]

Play mostly medium volume stuff, church, jazz, blues, latin-funk, rock.

[fastlane]

id go with the crash ride to give you a little more diversity but thats just me. the 20" might not be a big change from the heavy ride and your looking for something to complement the sound but not be really close to it right? idk much about the hhx cymbal.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

The HHX. Its a great sounding cymbal

[LoneStarDrummer]

the manhattan is a nice ride. i debating between that one and the groove ride.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

I'd go for the Manhattan tbh, much nicer ride IMO

[LoneStarDrummer]

yeah i love the subtle overtones it has more than the groove rides. after i buy my new set, i'll start saving up for that one probably.

[Aaron]

What about the 20" Constananoples [aka K Custom-Custom haha]. Are any of those in the sound range i'm after?

[drummguy731]

A lot of the Constantinoples are for the hard core jazz players that play just jazz. I think the High Definition ride is worth checking out. Something that would be completely different would be the 24" K Light Ride. It's got a very different sound. That 22" K(or K Custom, I'm not sure)ride that Zildjian released that they worked with Cindy Blackman is supposedly a very versatile ride, from what I hear. Those are the Zildjian's I'd recommend looking into. Try out the Constantinoples though, you may find one you really like.

[ludvista29]

Hmm maybe try the Dry Complex Ride, for a ver different sound.

[Drum Phil]

BUT i'm worried about cracking cymbals...i tend to make a habit out of it.

The thicker the cymbal is, the less give it has, the more likely it is to crack.

This is why i dont own a crash/efx cymbal over Medium-Thin weight.

[ludvista29]

Same Here, Plusi can't stand thick crashes or chinas.

[Drum Phil]

Same.

My Z Custom china and my AAXplosion are my thickest crashes/efx's.

Unless you count bells. Which i dont.

[ludvista29]

Yeah..but rides thats a Different story. I've got a Med, and a Heavy Ride

[Drum Phil]

Mines a heavy :)

Platinum Rock Ride.

[ant_182]

I got me a platinum ride on the way ;)

[Drum Phil]

Which one?

[ant_182]

21" Rock Ride I believe

[fastlane]

^ sounds nice :p

[Drum Phil]

I have the 20" rock ride.

Its not great to crash.

[ant_182]

I wont be crashing it, ill have to figure a way to use my sweet ride as a crash ride :D

[drum_with_ease]

Does anybody know of a cymbal that might sound like a "Zildjian Constantinople 15" Crash Special Selection Cymbal," or possibly somewhere online that I can listen to it? I can't find it on the Zildjian site, maybe I'm just stupid.

[Drum Phil]

Right well, since ive cracked my first cymbal in 4 years, im gonna look for a better quality one.

It was a stagg SH 12" China. It was quick, harsh, trashy and everything a small china should be.

I want something with similar qualities but a bit smoother and darker plus a bit more durable.

[Aaron]

14" Zildjian Oriental China?

[Drum Phil]

Thats what i was thinking.

Maybe a HHSEX.

[Aaron]

Different kettle of fish thems. Oriental is a shorter sound.

[Drum Phil]

Aye but at 12", how long can the sustain be? ;)

Ive gotta head up to a drum centre to get a new crash anyway so i'll have a check around.

[ant_182]

I no its ZXT. But the ZXT total china fits that description. Maybe not so durable though

[Drum Phil]

ZXT is no way in hell dark enough.

[ant_182]

Oh, sorry didnt see that. Maybe a K one? Or the oriental for sure!

[Drum Phil]

I thought about K's but the K mini china lacks the oomph im looking for.

[ant_182]

Hmm, did you go to the store yet? do they stock many chinas? I do highly recomend the oriental though

[Drum Phil]

Not yet. Waiting for my scumbag sister to give me the money she owes me for trashing my cymbal/stand.

[Stickman Sam]

Hay guys, anyone had any experience with Sabian Rocktagon crashes?

I'm thinking about a 16", anyone who's used one, a summary or short review would be appreciated!

~~

[Drum Phil]

I havent tried one but i hear the sustain, volume and decay are much lower/shorter and its fairly trashy.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

I wont be crashing it, ill have to figure a way to use my sweet ride as a crash ride :D

I thought sweet rides were pretty much crash-rides anyways.

What's the difference between the platinum and not-platinum rock rides??

[spirit]

I thought sweet rides were pretty much crash-rides anyways.

What's the difference between the platinum and not-platinum rock rides??

To the best of my knowledge, a very thin layer of platinum.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Heya. I'm looking for an all-around china, medium sustain and fairly trashy but not excessively so, but nonetheless I want it to definitely sound like a china if you get what I mean.

Current other cymbals:

13 a custom mastersound hats
16 hh med thin crash
17 a custom projection crash
20 k custom dry ride

I was considering maybe a Zildjian A china (high or low), or oriental classic china, in something like 16 - 19" size. Any ideas?

[Aaron]

18" Oriental

[Drum Phil]

I thought sweet rides were pretty much crash-rides anyways.

What's the difference between the platinum and not-platinum rock rides??

A silver coating. Makes them sound like an A/A Custom hybrid :)

Nicest cymbals zildjian ever made.

[Panopticon]

Heya. I'm looking for an all-around china, medium sustain and fairly trashy but not excessively so, but nonetheless I want it to definitely sound like a china if you get what I mean.

Current other cymbals:

13 a custom mastersound hats
16 hh med thin crash
17 a custom projection crash
20 k custom dry ride

I was considering maybe a Zildjian A china (high or low), or oriental classic china, in something like 16 - 19" size. Any ideas?

18" China boy Low. It's a wonderful china and it's awesome for riding.

[santi3hg]

Hey I need some suggestions for hi-hats.

I want something bright sounding, that does not sound too metallic when played close but is crisp as well. Rather bright when playing open.

Appreciate the help.

[Panopticon]

A/A Custom Mastersounds. If that's too bright try the K's
AAXcellerators. If that's too bright, try the HHX's
Paiste *insert series here* soundedges.

[fishbulb]

Hey I need some suggestions for hi-hats.

I want something bright sounding, that does not sound too metallic when played close but is crisp as well. Rather bright when playing open.

Appreciate the help.

Try the normal 14" Zildjian A Custom hats as well as the Sabian Vaults.

[fastlane]

i have the a custom hats and i love them. they're pretty bright. i wouldnt go any brighter myself. but great hats

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

13 a custom mastersounds are more or less as bright as you can go, as far as I've played on.

I would try normal a customs, or maybe the mastersounds, definitely 14", or perhaps the normal As. If you go K then I would get definitely mastersounds. Well, I say that but I haven't played any for ages, so...

Try some AA regular hats?

Paiste signature sound edges, or else the 2002 ones/

[ant_182]

paiste 2002 sound edges,
a mastersounds
a custom mastersounds :)

[santi3hg]

Thanks guys, I'll go with the Sabian and Paiste mentioned.

I've tried the a/a custom mastersounds but absolutely hate the sound of them closed and they sound alright to me open.

[fishbulb]

Well the vaults are basically replicas of the normal A Customs.

[santi3hg]

I'll try out the Xcelerators series or however they are properly named. They have stage, studio, and what other type of hats? They also got HHXelerators now as well right?

[fishbulb]

They also have Fusions if i'm not mistaken. They might just be 13" or something though.

[Drum Phil]

Fusions have an unlathed, flat/drilled bottom i think.

[santi3hg]

I haven't even heard of these fusions. Don't think any store near me stocks them.

[Drum Phil]

They're pretty nice.

Damo has the bottom of one on his hats.

[Damo]

The Fusion bottom hat is unlathed, is very thick and has two holes drilled in the bell for a tighter, higher pitched bell sound.

The waviness of both the Mastrsound and Xcellerator hats will make them considerably darker to listen to than a fusion set of hihats.

[santi3hg]

Damo are those hats that Sabian as heavily out there in production and in stores or nah? Sounds like something I'm looking for.

[iamjoe2]

im looking for a good bell, like the zil-bell, but im not really of fan of it...

i have a flat ride cymbal so this will be like a rc bell for me so thats the sound im going for..

[fastlane]

just about anyone will tell you that the stagg black metal bells pwn all :P i don't have experience with them but thats ur most likely answer i believe.

anyone have experience with the LP Ice Bells?

[iamjoe2]

yeah ive sean those, is there any where i can get a soundclip for those? ive checked
the stagg website and its no go...

[fastlane]

hmm im not forsure tbh. like i said idk much about them do to the lack of experience but that is what most people will recommend especially for the price.

[iamjoe2]

thats the thing, even if i got one i wouldent know what size to get cause i cant hear em,

guitar center doesent stock stagg, nither do my local 5* drum shop, or anywhere else for that matter, and theresite dosent have em soooo..

i might try to email there customer support

[Drum Phil]

I can record a very basic sound clip of the black metal bell if you want.

[fastlane]

phil could you post a picture of how you have it setup on your set as well plz? rep+ :D

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

phil could you post a picture of how you have it setup on your set as well plz? rep+ :D

Take at look at his other thread, there are pictures of the whole setup inc. the bell, as far as I can tell....

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=534478

Hopefully that helps :)

[Drum Phil]

Apparently i cant get a sound clip.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Heya. I'm looking for an all-around china, medium sustain and fairly trashy but not excessively so, but nonetheless I want it to definitely sound like a china if you get what I mean.

Current other cymbals:

13 a custom mastersound hats
16 hh med thin crash
17 a custom projection crash
20 k custom dry ride

I was considering maybe a Zildjian A china (high or low), or oriental classic china, in something like 16 - 19" size. Any ideas?

18" China boy Low. It's a wonderful china and it's awesome for riding.

Any thoughts on the 19" Wuhan china. I've found one for £45 that I can pick up locally, so I can also go try it out :) But any thoughts/comments about it and its suitability?

[spirit]

Any thoughts on the 19" Wuhan china. I've found one for £45 that I can pick up locally, so I can also go try it out :) But any thoughts/comments about it and its suitability?

Wuhan = China-ness.

You may already be aware, but the 19" Paragon China was modelled on Peart's Wuhan. If you like the sound of that, chances are you'll like Wuhan. And you get to try it out anyway.

[Drum Phil]

Reccomend me a bell. 6-10", darkish and musical.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Wuhan = China-ness.

You may already be aware, but the 19" Paragon China was modelled on Peart's Wuhan. If you like the sound of that, chances are you'll like Wuhan. And you get to try it out anyway.

*heads to Sabian website*

Ta!

[spirit]

*heads to Sabian website*

Ta!

Not a problem.

Reccomend me a bell. 6-10", darkish and musical.

Doesn't the Stagg Dark Metal Bell or whatever it's called sound like that? If it doesn't, the name is misleading.

[Cobra]

Recommended / Best sounding Ride Cymbal for Funk?

Recommended / Best sounding Hihats for Funk?

-AND-

Recommended / Best sounding Ride cymbal for blues?

Recommoned / Best sounding Hihats for blues?

Just need opinions here. Thanks :chug:

[fastlane]

^ thats too vague of a statement. you have to let us now what sound you're wanting such as bright, dark, loud, quiet, fast, delayed etc etc etc...

thx for the link ollie rep+

[Cobra]

^ thats too vague of a statement. you have to let us now what sound you're wanting such as bright, dark, loud, quiet, fast, delayed etc etc etc...

thx for the link ollie rep+

Ok sorry. I play blues with my band, and I was looking at the K/Z Dyno beat Zildjian 14" hihats. What do these sound like for blues? I bought the Dyno Beats cheap from a kid, but I want to get one 14" Zildjian K hihat.

Will this combo work for blues, and some funk? :chug:

[Undisco Kidd]

Recommended / Best sounding Ride Cymbal for Funk?

Recommended / Best sounding Hihats for Funk?

-AND-

Recommended / Best sounding Ride cymbal for blues?

Recommoned / Best sounding Hihats for blues?

Just need opinions here. Thanks :chug:

Bosphorus Stanton Moore Wide Ride
Istanbul Agop 14'' Sultan hihats.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Try the HHX Groove Ride for funk maybe?

http://www.sabian.com/english/webmayhem/soundcheck.cfm

[spirit]

Ok sorry. I play blues with my band, and I was looking at the K/Z Dyno beat Zildjian 14" hihats. What do these sound like for blues? I bought the Dyno Beats cheap from a kid, but I want to get one 14" Zildjian K hihat.

Will this combo work for blues, and some funk? :chug:

I see no reason why they wouldn't. In fact, they could work quite well. All down to personal preference I suppose. Isn't it always? Personally, at least for the moment, I seem to be favouring darker sounding cymbals, so I'd be thinking K's, K Customs, HH, HHX, Bosphorus, Istanbul, or Dream Bliss.

I didn't mention Paiste because, excellent though they are, they're more expensive. If that weren't a problem, I'd consider Dark Energy, Traditional or even the new Twenty range. And I didn't mention Meinl because I didn't think of them until I thought of Paiste.

Obviously, that's just me. It also depends on the gig I suppose. More electrified Blues-Rock (a la Gary Moore) may call for a more cutting sound.

Basically, I've probably been no damn good use at all. :lol:

Maybe I've given you some ideas.

Oh, and chances are you couldn't go far wrong with some New Beats. You could even try and score some Hollow Logo ones from eBay.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

The K/z hats should work well for blues. I would also look into some of the following for rides:

Zildjian - K, A, lines, perhaps the A medium ride, K normal ride, but it really depends on the sound you want. Try a K custom normal ride, they are surprisingly versatile (a lot of rock drummers use them even), maybe?

From sabian you could look into the HHX rides, or even HH rides. Or AAs. I wouldn't so much advise the AAX or A customs just as they are cleaner sounding but they would also be fine. They also have this nifty little feature which gives you a sample of what some guy at Sabian thinks would be good for various genres including blues and funk, which might be worth a look. http://www.sabian.com/english/cymbals/Genre_Setups.cfm

Don't know so much about Paiste and Meinl, signatures might be good but they are really really expensive.

Try looking second hand as things are much cheaper that way, and if you ever need/want to sell you should be able to get about the same amount you paid for them provided the condition is good.

Above all, I would advise trying out things before you buy more than anything else, as not only is cymbal sound quality subjective but also different cymbals feel different to play, and can be played in different ways.

[Drum Phil]

Doesn't the Stagg Dark Metal Bell or whatever it's called sound like that? If it doesn't, the name is misleading.

Yes it is.

But i have one of those. I want more bells.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Im looking for a china. A BIG one.

I want the china to have a "melting" warm sound to it with not much in-your-face trashyness.

Sorry if my description sucks haha.

[Damo]

^ Sabian HH 20 Thin Chinese

[Panopticon]

Does anyone here own 13" Meinl Classic Medium Hats?

I'm thinking of getting some off ebay as aux hats but any soundclips or a description would be great.

[crazyguy832]

Before anyone says, meinlcymbals.de is down for some reason.

[Drum Phil]

Before anyone says, meinlcymbals.de is down for some reason.

I noticed that yesterday :-/ It was dead annoying.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

I've not tried the hats, but I used to have (still have somewhere actually) a meinl classics ping ride... If they are at all similar they will be fairly to very bright, high-pitched, if a little quiet compared to pro cymbals, pretty good, esp. as an additional "toy" as it were and are pretty good value for what you get.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Thanks Damo. Im gonna try one out then.

[Aaron]

Try the 19" K too.

[Mike Goes Numb]

I want to start investigating what hi hats I'd like to upgrade to sometime in the future.

My current cymbal set up is as follows:
8" Sabian B8 splash (stacked)
12" HHX splash
12" Wuhan china
14" ZXT Rock hi hats
16" Paiste Innovations china
18" Paiste Sig Fast crash
18" K Medium - Thin Dark crash
21" HHX Groove Ride

Obviously looking to replace the hats. I like dark cymbals, and I'm looking versatile hats, not too tight and crisp but also not too washy either. I'd like a good set of hats that'd blend well with the rest of my set up but I don't know where to start looking.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Mike - Try looking at some Zildjian K hats, probably 14" ones; there are lots of variations but I would start with the regular ones, they are lovely cymbals. Another possibility is HH and HHX by Sabian. The hhx would probably be slightly more projecting, but i've not tried them and am going mostly by their marketing hype on those. HH are nice hats (i've tried the 13") but not really my thing so much - try the 14" probably that will be not so "fast" sounding which is what I assume you mean, and a bit washier with a fuller sound.

A good place to start would be the sabain and zildjian websites which have sound clips of their cymbals, but bear in mind that they don't sound identical to the real cymbals, and are also recorded in different ways so it is hard to compare accurately the soundclips from sabian and zildjian.

Nobody stocks paiste or meinl or anything else near me so I can't help with those at all.

http://www.sabian.com/english/webmayhem/soundcheck.cfm

http://www.zildjian.com/en-US/products/configurator/default.ad2

paiste and meinl have soundclips too but not all on one page like there, but google them

Hope this helps

:)

[spirit]

Bosphorus Traditional Series may be you kind of thing, ditto Istanbul Agop Trad series.

www.cymbalsonly.com - soundfiles of both companies, various lines and models

[Aaron]

Ks. Maybe the 14" Light Hats?

[Drum Phil]

13" Meinl Byzance fast hats?

[Mike Goes Numb]

From the sound clips I've listened to so far, I really like the HH Dark Hi-Hats. Any other suggestions in that realm of sound?

[Drum Phil]

13" Meinl Byzance Dark Hats ala:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/rancid_punk/IMG_6068-01.jpg

I reckon they're pretty much exactly what you're after.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

From the sound clips I've listened to so far, I really like the HH Dark Hi-Hats. Any other suggestions in that realm of sound?

K custom dark hats plus what phil said.

[spirit]

Bosphorus Traditional Series may be you kind of thing, ditto Istanbul Agop Trad series.

www.cymbalsonly.com - soundfiles of both companies, various lines and models

This guy's got the right idea. He's sexy as well.

[Mike Goes Numb]

Holy jesus phil, those are gorgeous.

Edit: The 13" k custom dark hats sound pretty good. 14" byzance dark hats sound like sex, hopefully I can try them out sometime in my shop.

[Drum Phil]

They're visually and aurully pleasing in every possible way.

[fishbulb]

They're visually and aurully pleasing in every possible way.

Orally? Oh wait, i guess that would be when you are saying it, not hearing it.

Firefox says that it is aurally.

[ronald_villiers]

I'm looking for a cymbal pack for practice at home. I play heavy metal. I was having a look at the Sabian AA Metal X Box set (20 Ride, 16 crash, 14 Hats), and the Zildjian ZHT Rock cymbal pack. I could get the Zildjian pack £40 cheaper than the Sabian. Does anyone have any experience with these and could offer their opinions?

Thanks.

[spirit]

I'm looking for a cymbal pack for practice at home. I play heavy metal. I was having a look at the Sabian AA Metal X Box set (20 Ride, 16 crash, 14 Hats), and the Zildjian ZHT Rock cymbal pack. I could get the Zildjian pack £40 cheaper than the Sabian. Does anyone have any experience with these and could offer their opinions?

Thanks.

It depends on how each set sounds to you, but each has its pros and cons.

The Sabian set is a pro set, being AA, however, being Metal X, it may not be versatile. You may play heavy metal now, but it's always nice to have the option.

The Zildjian set is B12 alloy, which isn't a bad thing per se, but the general consensus is that B20 alloy gives the richest sound. Being of 'Rock' stock, they may, or may not be thinner than the Metal-X's, and so may be more versatile.

Personally, I'd really recommend getting pro level cymbals, one piece at a time, but that's just me.

[Mike Goes Numb]

Oh, so Phil, I assume the dark hats sound just as sexy open, yes? I'm hoping so.

[Daven]

What do you guys think of the 20" Zildjian Oriental China?

[drummguy731]

Classic or Trash? The Classic has an amazingly warm and trashy sound. It's a huge sounds that swells up and is almost a soft kind of china. I absolutely love mine and recommend checking them out.

[Daven]

Sorry, its the Thrash China.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

I have the 18". Its quite trashy and loud and semi bright but more dark. So the 20" might be darker and louder with a longer decay.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

I'm looking for a cymbal pack for practice at home. I play heavy metal. I was having a look at the Sabian AA Metal X Box set (20 Ride, 16 crash, 14 Hats), and the Zildjian ZHT Rock cymbal pack. I could get the Zildjian pack £40 cheaper than the Sabian. Does anyone have any experience with these and could offer their opinions?

Thanks.

I would look at the Sabian XS20 set, it is similar to ZHT price wise. If you're going for AAs they are considered "pro", i.e. higher price and quality, but they're good cymbals, thjough personally as someone already said I would go for something more versatile, e.g. the AA 'normal' set (AA medium thin crash, medium ride, regular hats) or AAX set (stage ride, stage crash, stage hats), and they will still be amazing for playing metal. I think there may be also an "AA rock set" with AA rock hats and crash and some sort of ride, but I could be wrong, it has been known (!).

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Sorry, its the Thrash China.

The china trash has a very short decay from what I remember and a very 'trashy' sound, if that at all helps

[Drum Phil]

Oh, so Phil, I assume the dark hats sound just as sexy open, yes? I'm hoping so.

Hell yes.

[White]

I say when we hit Pg 300 we start Version 2.0 seeing as bobby_johnny hasn't been around in a long *** time haha.

[Seafroggys]

I say when we hit Pg 300 we start Version 2.0 seeing as bobby_johnny hasn't been around in a long *** time haha.

no, no need for new ones. Besides, I'm only on page 198.

[Panopticon]

nah...149

the cymbal finder is a legacy...it will never die.

[bobby__johnny]

nah...149

the cymbal finder is a legacy...it will never die.

it will not close. ever.

[White]

it will not close. ever.

He returns.....................where have you been! haha I use to ahve you on my MSN lol, I remember you and The Glass Prison were my two favorite MXers lol. but time has moved on and now, you are nothing.............haha kiddin, yo

[bobby__johnny]

i'm working right now :P

just live has been busy for many things is all

[mullets suk]

or AAX set (stage ride, stage crash, stage hats), and they will still be amazing for playing metal.

i use a AAX stage ride (20") and a AAX stage crash (18"). the crash would be great for metal, but i dont really see the ride being used for metal, imo. you could deff use it for metal, but i wouldn't.

[bobby__johnny]

i love my 16" AAX Stage crash

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

I'm not as keen on the stage stuff. I much prefer the studio ones

[Tim]

i love my 16" AAX Stage crash

i have the 18 and 16 and they are both sweet ol caca.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

I just found a shop near me selling Bosphoros, Istanbul Agops AND Mehmets! Awesome!

[the_pure_drummer]

Recently cracked my B8 crash. Ive had it for 3 years and i batter it shitless. But i have good technique i think it's just wear of a poor cymbal that cracked it. It's about half a cm long the crack.

Looking for:

Thin crash
Medium Decay
Open's up pretty easily and well
About 16" or 17".

Ideas?

I want it to explode!

[ant_182]

17" A Custon crash, for the explosion, projection?

[Drum Phil]

17" AAXplosion.
16" K Custom Fast Crash?

[Seafroggys]

Recently cracked my B8 crash. Ive had it for 3 years and i batter it poopless. But i have good technique i think it's just wear of a poor cymbal that cracked it. It's about half a cm long the crack.

Looking for:

Thin crash
Medium Decay
Open's up pretty easily and well
About 16" or 17".

Ideas?

I want it to explode!

Even though they're hard to find, my Amedia crash is paper thin, has a decent decay, and opens up pretty well....its is fairly dark, though. And its an 18".

[Panopticon]

17" AAXplosion.
16" K Custom Fast Crash?

this.

The aaxplosion line is fcking beautiful

[bobby__johnny]

too fast for me

[Tim]

id say an 18 AAXplosion. the 17 is too weak.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

I'd say the 18 will be a longer decay and maybe not open up so fast. BUt i dont own that particular cymbal so i dont reeeally know. Also look at the A custom projection line, they are a tad explosive and not to mention lush.,

[Aaron]

18" K Custom Fast Crash

[Drum Phil]

19" AAXplosion is a peice of beauty and needs no battering to open up.

[bobby__johnny]

honestly, i hear "battering" and then "good technique"....i wonder...

you dont need to hammer your gear to get a full loud tone out of them.

[Drum Phil]

Exactly :-/

I dont hammer on any of my cymbals.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Yeah man. Theres a big dfference between a powerful stroke and a smash lol

[Seafroggys]

There's also a difference between a powerful stroke and Big Powerful Strokes.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Theres also a difference between cows and people.

What? talk about cymbals? oh hell

[terry_b_wanna_b]

im looking for a crash

ive tried crashes at a local music store
but...
paiste full crash was a bit too bright for my taste
sabian paragon sounded really good but they were too heavy

any suggestions?

[bobby__johnny]

HHX Stage crash - give it a try

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Or the HHX studio crashes

[LoneStarDrummer]

hhx stage and studio crashes sound nothing like paragon crashes.

try out 2002's or for a lighter, not so bright cymbal, try out avedis crashes. maybe even the new armand series. haven't heard any armands myself, but they may be what you're looking for.

[bobby__johnny]

they're a bit thinner, depends on his playing style in the end.

the stages are going to be a nice fine line of bright because of the weight, and warm because of the series characteristics

[LoneStarDrummer]

hhx stages are not what i would consider bright in the least bit. i own the 16" and 18", as well as an 18" paragon.

[bobby__johnny]

i've heard a few that had some cut to them.

they're a great balanced sound imo.

definatly gonna have to get me some.

[LoneStarDrummer]

definitely a great cymbal. i love mine. they're the best crashes i've heard.

[bobby__johnny]

i'm thinking of revamping my crash setup.

as of right now, i'm using 16" AA Medium, and AAX Stage crashes, with an 18" XS20 rock or AA medium being switched in and out.

i actually like my XS 20 more as its not so flat sounding compared to the AA :S

[terry_bozzio_wanna_be]

i went today and tried the hhx studio crash, they didnt have stage
i really liked the sound, but i dont think it would cut

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Shuda tryed the AAX studios. They do cut. Very very nice crashes

[mullets suk]

if anyone remembers my thread about the pst5's that deal fell though, the store already sold them. ive been listening to a lot of the recordings on the Paiste website. i really like the sound of the there 13" trad, but the price tag is pretty steep. are there any other cymbals that has the same sound, but are a little bit cheaper. my price range can go up to $200 at most. (company and quality doesn't matter)

[spirit]

Well, I'll listen to the 13" Trad, and have a think.

They seem to be solid sounding, fairly rocky hats. I'd have thought that Zildjian A's and Sabian AA's would probably cut it. Possibly you could think about Dream Contact cymbals, or perhaps even the Energy series. The Energy's may be machine hammered, but it's the sound that matters.

I'll edit in any other thoughts as they occur to me.

EDIT: Dream Contact's certainly seem to be more within your soundscape. May I suggest www.frontrangebronze.com

Check out their selection, and if in doubt, or interest, contact the man running the site. He'll be able to help you.

Personally, I find Sabian cymbals typically sound too bright. That's not a slight against Sabians. One of my rides is an HH Raw Bell Dry Ride. My first Pro ride actually, and I really like the Evo hats and 18" crash. That said, for the sound you're going for, and the price range you've set, I doubt Sabian will help, certainly not new. Second hand may be of interest to you. eBay as well.

As far as Zildjians go, the A series seems to be your best bet, and for particular hats, I'd suggest the New Beat, Quick Beat and Mastersound Ranges. Perhaps the new Armand series as well.

In any case, with possible Dream exception, for the price range you've set, you should be scouring eBay, as well as your local second hand paper.

Speaking of Ebay, I had a look on eBay.com, and I came up with these result of the first page that may be of interest to you:

Sabian 14" AA Light Hats
http://cgi.ebay.com/14-Sabian-AA-Light-Hi-Hats-better-then-regular-hi-hat_W0QQitemZ110176042653QQihZ001QQcategoryZ41447Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Zildjian 14" 1950's Hats
http://cgi.ebay.com/1950s-Zildjan-14-Hi-Hat-Cymbals_W0QQitemZ190158380488QQihZ009QQcategoryZ41 447QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Zildjian 13" A Custom Mastersound (not my first choice given your sound, but worth a look)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Zildjian-A-Custom-Mastersound-Hi-Hat-Pair-13-LOOK_W0QQitemZ150167024014QQihZ005QQcategoryZ41447 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Zildjian 14" K Custom Session Hats
http://cgi.ebay.com/14-ZILDJIAN-K-Custom-Session-Hi-Hats-GREAT-Shape_W0QQitemZ260166210518QQihZ016QQcategoryZ4144 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Paiste 14" Giant Beat Hats (a little beyond your budget, but definitely worth a look, especially with the BIN)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Paiste-Giant-Beat-14-Medium-Hi-Hat-Cymbals-LOOK_W0QQitemZ150167020240QQihZ005QQcategoryZ41447 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Zildjian 13" K Hat Top (Only the top, yes, but add a Z Custom, or equivalent, Rude etc, and you've got a fine se tof hats)
http://cgi.ebay.com/K-Zildjian-13-inch-Hi-Hat-Top-Mid-90s-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ170154755966QQihZ007QQcategoryZ41 447QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Bosphorus 14" Master Hats (Cheap, but excellent cymbals. Seriously. I own a crash, and hope to own more by them. Very, very good cymbals)
http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSPHORUS-MASTER-SERIES-14-HI-HATS-USED-ONCE-EC-L-K_W0QQitemZ290166361347QQihZ019QQcategoryZ41447QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Sabian 14" AAX Stage Hats
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sabian-AAX-14-Stage-Hi-Hats-BRILLIANT-Never-Hit_W0QQitemZ180165150060QQihZ008QQcategoryZ41447Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Hope this helped.

[mullets suk]

yea that really helped, unfortunately ebay is not my first option. Ill look though my local drum stores, and newspapers. i think im going to have to wait till Christmas and buy then. Its the cymbal types that really helped.

[spirit]

I'm glad I helped, but if I may ask, why's eBay being ruled out?

[mullets suk]

my parents don't trust ebay. if it was up to me ill buy from there on most of my purchases, but since its not i cant.

sucks dont it.

[spirit]

What the hell? What's not to trust? If they don't trust eBay, how come they trust the internet?

Don't let them read this post.

[White]

Meh, I still don't trust ebay all that much, I trust an online store more, but still it's just cause Ebay you're dealing with regular ppl, not professionals, they could be crooks, scam artists, etc. Going with an online store you have the added comfort lol.

[spirit]

Well, I bought a cymbal from eBay.com (Note, not my local eBay) last week. I'm still waiting it's arrival, but I have no fear. If it's not arrived by the end of this week, then I'll be worried.

[White]

oh I use Ebay all the time, but I have had a case with an ebay store where the product was never sent and there was no communication,

Currently I'm waiting on

My New Double Pedal
China
Splash

but it shall come haha

[spirit]

Well, you probably know the guy I bought from. Hazelshould. 2009 sales, 100% Feedback.

Like I said, I'm not worried. :D

[White]

I may have bought a Stand off him, I 4get though lol, a good seller that always ahs good gear for chap is Drumhig I tihnk his shiz is stolen but I don't give a damn haha I got my drums for 180$+shipping haha, and have you seen my drums? lol.

[spirit]

I don't recall them, to be honest, but at that price, it doesn't matter what they are, does it?

[White]

nah lol, and they arn't a business, it's just one guy who occasionally has a wide variety of great gear for cheap. Look him up from time to time you'll find sweet deals.

[Drum Phil]

Well, I bought a cymbal from eBay.com (Note, not my local eBay) last week. I'm still waiting it's arrival, but I have no fear. If it's not arrived by the end of this week, then I'll be worried.

You're optimistic.

It can take up to 6 months for things to ship from the USA unless you payed more than the cymbals worth for it to be air cargo.

I would never order a cymbal from abroad unless you had major insurance.

[Taffer]

I'm looking for a crash - maybe a 17", as I have a 16" already - just to add some variety haha.

I play metal music, at gigs, and I'm looking in the Sabian AAX range. But my problem is, I have no idea which one to choose! Either Stage, Studio, AAXplosion or AAX metal (which I hear is the one I should go for). Any ideas/comparisons?

[bobby__johnny]

i wouldnt focus too much on the specific size, but rather the general tone itself.

as for playing live, in your styles, i'd look towards the AA Medium/Rock models. they're a little more versatile than the AAXplosion or Metal series i find.

especially in an unmiced environment - the AAXplosions are a bit too fast to get a full tone out when your fighting with loud guitars and such.

[Tim]

18inch AA medium thin crash would be perfect. those things cut like crazy. I used to have one but i sold it to a friend in need for a good price. they are somewhat versatile.

[an_original_name]

18inch AA medium thin crash would be perfect. those things cut like crazy. I used to have one but i sold it to a friend in need for a good price. they are somewhat versatile.

Just what i was thinking. I own one myself and wouldnt change it for anything else.

[bobby__johnny]

i almost bought a 17" the other day...

[ant_182]

19" A Custom Crash. I have the 17" and it sounds gorgous... on its own. But it doesnt cut through the 18" Dark K's I have. would the 19 cut it? I loved the 17" sound, not the 18" and I liked the 19" when i tried them. Any advice guys?

[drummguy731]

My 20" cuts pretty nicely.

On a side note, that's rather odd because my 18" Fast Crash cuts well.

[Panopticon]

my 18" fast crash cuts too...and i have 18 and 19" aaxplosions.

[ant_182]

Yeh, my 18 cut fine, but it seems like the 17" A Custom Doesn't have the power maybe the K's have too much power?

[little_drummer_boy1]

would 13" hhx groove hat be a good match with hhx studio crashes(16,17,18), i have tried out the hats in the store, but not with my cymbals(they dont have them in stock)
if it helps, i play fusion/rock

also is there is slightly less pingy hh raw bell dry ride?

[little_drummer_boy1]

i was also looking at 13" aax studio hats, but i think they might be a bit bright

[Aaron]

HHX Groove Hats would be the better choice. I prefer the bigger Studio Crashes 17" and up. If you're into Sabian rides, check out the 21" HH Vintage Ride. They'd match up with the HHX well.

[herostyle]

I'm finally upgrading from my ZXT Zildgian hi-hats! My current cymbal set-up is those hats, 17 inch medium thin sabian aa crash, 16" AAX Studio Crash, 21" Sabian AA raw bell dry ride, XS20 10" splash. I play lots of jazz and funk grooves and I'm upgrading my hats tomorrow. I was thinking of the Fusion AA hats or the stage/studio hats. I'm looking for a good "chink" like sound. Please help me!

[herostyle]

I was also thinking of some HHX hats as well. Any suggestion my price range is up to 370 something

[Drum Phil]

You're upgrading tomorrow and you dont know what to?

I'd say thats a bit quick. I tend to test cymbals at least 3 times before i buy.

But anyway:

14" Sabian HHX Power Hats
14" Sabian AA Flat Hats
13" Zildjian K/Z Dyno Beats
13" Meinl Byzance Fast Hats

[herostyle]

Well not necessarily tomorrow, I would like to but it might not be time yet, your right. I've tested the 13" AA Fusion hats a couple times and the AA Regular hats. I would like to hear how the HHX hats sound. Are they good with grooves?

[Seafroggys]

New Beats

[Drum Phil]

Well not necessarily tomorrow, I would like to but it might not be time yet, your right. I've tested the 13" AA Fusion hats a couple times and the AA Regular hats. I would like to hear how the HHX hats sound. Are they good with grooves?

I would imagine so.

Im gonna have to say though, i think the Byzances would be perfect.

[herostyle]

I'll check out the byzances definately. This is kind irrelevant to the topic, however, any recommended hi-hats stands that fall in the price range of 100-150? Mine is about to fall apart:mad:

[Drum Phil]

150 what?

Pound?

Dollar?

Ruble?

Yen?