*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[static]

Yeah.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

The only Zildjian hihats that are better than New Beats are...um...

...

..

.

Im gonna have to go with Mastersounds or Quick Beats on this one.

[mario_y2k]

Hey thanks for your advices so far. Right now I play with my first ever owned hihats which are some crappy zildjian zbt and by the way are cracked so anything would be better really...

[Seafroggys]

Seriously, most hats I've played have been very 'crisp' and tight and high pitched....very one dimensional for me. New Beats have 'balls' to them, they're very deep and beefy sounding. I don't see how anybody can think they're so one dimensional.

[wesm9787]

This is the recording pete made of it before i bought it.

http://media.putfile.com/Soundclips

Nice. I just bought one of those, they said they shipped it already so it should be arriving soon. That audio sounded pretty nice. Also I accidentally got a Paiste Cup Chime as well. So now I will have 2 bells to choose from.

Dammit now I have to go get a new stand or a cymbal arm or something since I only have one extra stand...

[Jon]

My brother wants a cheap(ish) crash or ride.

He has a crash/ride at the moment so needs either-or. I'd say a crash would be better because crashes are loud and loud is rock'n'roll, but he seems to think a ride would be better.

Am I right in thinking that a cheap Zildjian/Sabian (say ~£80) would be better than a £40 Stagg or something? I don't really know any brand names, but those two stand out obviously.

Yeah help.

Thanks.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

He cant get much for that amount, but he can check out used cymbals. Have him check out a Zildjian Sweet or Medium ride. They for around 200+ USD so used will have to be his main option.

[ant_182]

Would the K Med. Thin Crash sound nice with a Thin version? What sound differences would there be?


-Ant-

[static]

Yes.


The Thin will be quicker and brighter.

[saars]

Ok, I think I'm getting a bit sick of my 18" AAXplosion, and I want something a lot warmer and not as cutting, something for jazz but also good enough for rock. Also, something to match my K Custom Hybrid. Any thoughts?

[static]

17" K Dark Thin Crash.

[Panopticon]

Ok, I think I'm getting a bit sick of my 18" AAXplosion, and I want something a lot warmer and not as cutting, something for jazz but also good enough for rock. Also, something to match my K Custom Hybrid. Any thoughts?

are you thinking of selling the 18? Mine has a small crack in it and i would LOVE another one...I have you on my MSN right? are you Ryan?

[Fuzzy]

I really need money these days, especially because my heads are about to DISSOLVE!
Sabian 18" AA Metal-X Chinese (only like four hours play on it, stick marks, perfect condition. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320115270542
And check these guys out as well:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320115276036
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320115273730

[saars]

are you thinking of selling the 18? Mine has a small crack in it and i would LOVE another one...I have you on my MSN right? are you Ryan?

sorry bro, that's not me. I only have AIM, and if you want that, it's cabebebebebe. and yeah, I'm either going to sell it or trade it in

[saars]

17" K Dark Thin Crash.

is that crash large enough to crash/ride on?

[ant_182]

no, get 19 or 20


-Ant-

[DrumIntoTheNight]

Thoughts on 16" Meinl Amun Crash?

[DrumIntoTheNight]

Double Post, ghey.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

I quite like Amun crashs so i'd try it out but yeah defo consider it IMO

[DrumIntoTheNight]

I found one for £90, 25% off at my local shop. So I think I'll go for it.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Try it and make sure you like it, but yeah I personaly do

[DrumIntoTheNight]

Thanks man

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

No problem dude.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Amuns are great cymbals. I like them. Its a shame I can rarely find them.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Weird. They're like the ONLY Meinl cymbals i ever see round here

[DrumIntoTheNight]

Hang on, they're made of B8 bronze. Isn't that a "beginner" type alloy?

[MeaninglessPhoto]

No

Because 2002's are made from B8 bronze. The thing that separates a B8 and a 2002 is the quality and making process.

[DrumIntoTheNight]

Ahh, right, makes sense. For some reason I was thinking that B20 was Pro, and B8 was beginner. Thanks for clearing that up. The Amuns sound sweet anyway.

[Seafroggys]

I have a 2002 Crash, and honestly, it ain't no beginner cymbal. Its definitally my best rock crash on my set.

[ant_182]

Just listen to the sound edges and crashes ;) Then you know they're not


-Ant-

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Has anybody heard the Paiste Twenty series cymbals yet?

[fishbulb]

I like the paiste twenty ride cymbal from the sound samples, pretty pingy, minimal wash, basically what i want.

Might want to get something that's been around a little more though.

[Seafroggys]

A Ping Ride :D

[fishbulb]

Last time i heard that, it had too many overtones.

I'll check it out next time i go to GC though.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

thats true. I have an older model Ping and it doesnt have much ping. Its got a lot of wash to it and some overtones. Its got very small cracks and a keyhole from when I bought it used, so im gonna be in the market for a new ride again soon.

[fishbulb]

Paiste 2oo2 Heavy rides are pretty nice, but i've never played one in real life.

[Drum Phil]

Sabian HH Rock ride :D

[Mike Goes Numb]

I'm interested in purchasing a new ride, but I have no idea where to start.

I've always hated dry rides.

I want a ride with distinct tones in the different playing areas. I'd like it to blend well, but still have some significant cut. I love resonance and dark cymbals, and if the ride can sound decently crashed, that'd be perfect. From what I've heard as of yet, I do like the hhx groove ride, but I'd like to see what else there is out there. Thanks.

[Mr. Grill]

K Custom Dark Ride.

I use one at school. Beautiful.

[Mike Goes Numb]

Eh, I listened to the audio samples on the zildjian website, not my cup of tea. Wayyy to pingy sounding.

[Tim]

Has anybody heard the Paiste Twenty series cymbals yet?

yes i have. the hihats were amazing. the crashes were alright. didnt dig the ride too much.

[static]

I'm interested in purchasing a new ride, but I have no idea where to start.

I've always hated dry rides.

I want a ride with distinct tones in the different playing areas. I'd like it to blend well, but still have some significant cut. I love resonance and dark cymbals, and if the ride can sound decently crashed, that'd be perfect. From what I've heard as of yet, I do like the hhx groove ride, but I'd like to see what else there is out there. Thanks.

20" K Ride HHX Groove Ride etc.

[Mike Goes Numb]

What else do you all suggest?

[Drum Phil]

K Medium ride?

Maybe a paiste sig ride of some kind?

[Mike Goes Numb]

I've checked out more of the K rides and a bunch of different paiste rides; the HHX groove ride still sounds the best to me out of the different sound clips I've been able to listen to.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

I've checked out more of the K rides and a bunch of different paiste rides; the HHX groove ride still sounds the best to me out of the different sound clips I've been able to listen to.

Hmm. Definitely try them out for real/with a kit before buying, the sound clips are an OK guide, but there is definite incompatibility between the sound clips from different companies.

Is the Groove Ride crashable? I didn't realise. They may not be crashable, but K custom rides (not medium rides) can cut a fair bit whilst being dark and resonant, especially in a larger size e.g. 22". I know a lot of rock drummers use them, e.g. the chap from Muse, so they probably can cut fairly well too.

Also: HH/X rides in general

I can't speak for Paistes as I've not played them very much at all, and they've not sparked my imagination the few I have tried out.

[Mike Goes Numb]

I'm definetly going to try them out, I just want to be able to narrow down my search when I get to the shop. I did like the K's, but the clips sounded too pingy/dry and the groove ride seems to have a really unique sound compared to everything else.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

OK, I'm looking at other cymbals for my kit, as it's summer and I'll be able to play drums about 40 times more than at any other time of year and I want some new "toys" (though tbh they are 100% essential :p). I play mostly rock (/pop), and funky stuff (funk drumming but not mostly to funk music if you get what I mean), and my set up so far is:


13" A Custom mastersound hihats
16" Sabian HH medium thin crash
17" A custom projection crash
20" K custom dry ride

So my cymbals so far are quite fast and un-washy (except the a custom crash). Apart from considering a different ride (mine is lovely to hear but tends to get lost playing in a band and is near to the antithesis of rock, but again it sounds very funky IMO), I am looking at probs one (due to money, even though I'm buying second hand) out of:

8" A custom splash
14" Z custom splash
17" A rock crash
17" Z rock crash
18" A med thin crash
18" A med crash
18" K custom fast crash
18" Paiste 2002
20" A china (low)

Possibly K heavy ride or A rock ride as a replacement for mine (part-exchange like).

So any inputs on what you think might go well? I'm thinking perhaps the 18" K custom fast crash, or the 18" A med thin crash?

[Drum Phil]

Ignore the Z Customs. They're useless outside of metal and even there they're fairly crap.

[Little Android Man]

well why would you want another fast crash if you say you want more wash?

i say go 18" med-thin A.

[Drum Phil]

19" AAXplosion :D

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

well why would you want another fast crash if you say you want more wash?

i say go 18" med-thin A.

thanks, I was also thinking that, though the guy selling them does it as a business so he has a big studio type place (ex-garage, that is) with great acoustics, and drum kits set up, cymbals etc so I will go and have a play.

The 18" size would mean it has more sustain and wash than a smaller non-fast cymbal, I would have thought.

19" AAXplosion :D



Yeah, they're well nice. I've got an A custom so that's similar-ish (well not really but compared to others).

And yeah, I have heard had things about Zs from a lot of people. I'm surprised they actually still sell them - they are so much less popular than the A and K ranges, and next to none of their sponsored pros use them.

[Drum Phil]

You'd be surprised.

So many people beleive they can hold up against hard hitters.

[Little Android Man]

thanks, I was also thinking that, though the guy selling them does it as a business so he has a big studio type place (ex-garage, that is) with great acoustics, and drum kits set up, cymbals etc so I will go and have a play.

The 18" size would mean it has more sustain and wash than a smaller non-fast cymbal, I would have thought.





Yeah, they're well nice. I've got an A custom so that's similar-ish (well not really but compared to others).

And yeah, I have heard had things about Zs from a lot of people. I'm surprised they actually still sell them - they are so much less popular than the A and K ranges, and next to none of their sponsored pros use them.

but it is still a fast crash, if it had a substantial ammount of wash and sustain, it wouldnt be called a fast crash.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

You'd be surprised.

So many people beleive they can hold up against hard hitters.

Hmm yes I guess I can believe that. But then again that seems pretty silly to me, things like A customs aren't exactly fragile - you would have to hit them incredibly hard to break them, which really doesn't ever seem that necessary unless you're battling with huge guitar amps at a badly mic'd venue...

I looked on the zildjian website....yeah z customs not exactly my cup of tea..

[Drum Phil]

Its like, if i took a sledgehammer to a thick slab of concrete and a thin sheet of rubber.

Which would break?

[bobby__johnny]

rubber? well....

the concrete would chip and crumble thats for sure :P

[joe_04_04]

Is the bottom hat of the sabian aax stage hats crimpled up? I havent been able to try out/see a lot of cymbals, i just tried my friends zildjian avedis hats that had the crimp in the bottom hats and they sound amazing, bright and sizzly, but i like sabian and i wanted to find a hat that has that sound in a sabian name.

[static]

Nope.



Those Zildjians are A Custom Mastersounds, probably.

[Drum Phil]

You can get Avedis mastersounds too.

I think AAXcellerators have the crimp.

[fishbulb]

Yeah, Xcellerators have the crimp along with something else, i forget what though.

[MNdrummer21]

The AAxcellerators have the crimp, and I think the fast hats have the holes in the bottom hat.

[Little Android Man]

Yeah, Xcellerators have the crimp along with something else, i forget what though.

Paiste Sound Edges.

[fishbulb]

No, i was talking Sabian.

Also zildjian mastersounds if you want to get into it.

[Little Android Man]

i think those are the only things in Sabian with the ripple bottoms.

well there are AAX and HHX, if that is what you mean.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

A custom mastersounds are amazing. Search through the forums for a review of them, I posted one a while back :)

[bobby__johnny]

now that the HHX-cellerators are out (well, news to me) i'm gonna have to track down a pair and give em a shot.

[CombatWombat3]

I fell in love with HH bright hats...they're just so incredible sounding! I still can't get over how much I love them. Now all I need is like 300 dollars...

Anyone have experience with an HH medium ride?

[ant_182]

I've used the K A and A Custom MAstersouds, the sound edges too! They're a lovely!!!


-Ant-

[DrumIntoTheNight]

Hay Gice

Anyone got any thoughts on the Stagg Black Metal 18" Crash, or any of the Black Metal Crashes?

[Doublebasssabian]

Trashy china, good for punk and metal. Cheers guys

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Check out an 18" Zildjian Oriental China Trash. Great china.

[ant_182]

Check out an 18" Zildjian Oriental China Trash. Great china.

QFT


-Ant-

[Davio El Dwarfo]

My cymbal setup is as follows:

Zildjian 13" K hats
Zildjian 16" A crash
Zildjian 20" K ride
Turkish 22" Classic Jazz ride

It's a lovely combo at present, but I want to expand. I'm primarily searching for something of a bridge between the brighter A and the darker K/jazz sounds, though I love quirky cymbals that might seem out of place but end up working well... any ideas?

I feel like another, bigger crash (17-19") would make a good addition, but my concern is that the rides are quite dominating as it is. As such, I would also appreciate advice with regards to using a smaller crash (around 14-15") as well as any input into which may work better.

[Tim]

My cymbal setup is as follows:

Zildjian 13" K hats
Zildjian 16" A crash
Zildjian 20" K ride
Turkish 22" Classic Jazz ride

It's a lovely combo at present, but I want to expand. I'm primarily searching for something of a bridge between the brighter A and the darker K/jazz sounds, though I love quirky cymbals that might seem out of place but end up working well... any ideas?

I feel like another, bigger crash (17-19") would make a good addition, but my concern is that the rides are quite dominating as it is. As such, I would also appreciate advice with regards to using a smaller crash (around 14-15") as well as any input into which may work better.

k custom dark china 17 inch.

[We_Love_Lime]

You might like an A fast Crash?
14 or 15.
Those Azuka Hand and Stick's are 15, it's pretty bright, maybe too bright.

[Davio El Dwarfo]

k custom dark china 17 inch.

I'm apprehensive about buying chinas. Don't they break fairly easily?

Not that it doesn't look like EXACTLY what I'm after. I've never broken/cracked a cymbal before, but it remains a concern as I slice fairly hard at times.

[Drum Phil]

No more than other cymbals.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

I'm apprehensive about buying chinas. Don't they break fairly easily?

Not that it doesn't look like EXACTLY what I'm after. I've never broken/cracked a cymbal before, but it remains a concern as I slice fairly hard at times.

If you put them upside down they're a lot easier to hit IMO and so less likely to break. But yeah, what phil said. Also, it depends a lot on the specific cymbal, how you hit them, etc.

A good bigger crash might be a 19" A as the larger sizes are darker... or perhaps a K dark crash medium thin, I love those cymbals though i think they only go up to 18" but you can check that.

[byrkee]

im looking for a great 18-20 inch ride cymbal thats around 200 bucks. any suggestions?

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

im looking for a great 18-20 inch ride cymbal thats around 200 bucks. any suggestions?

Erm anything more specific? What sort of sound: bands/drummers you think have a good ride cymbal? Wet (i.e. lots of wash compared to stick definition) or dry (the opposite)? Bright (lots of high end frequencies) or dark/warm (more mids and lows)? What sort of music do you play?

etc

Then I will do my best to help :thumb:

[byrkee]

well i like radioheads ride cymbal, thats all i can think of right now, but im into music from like glassjaw, the receiving end of sirens, to like muse and radiohead, stuff like that. i dont want anything real old, and i want it to have a light pretty sound, but also something i can hit hard and can sound loud and rock when it needs too. that help?

[drummguy731]

Hmm, not really, :lol:. I know something that fits that light sound be projecting when layed into, but it's about twice the amount you want to pay; 24" K Light Ride is amazing!

[ant_182]

get two rides?


-Ant-

[bobby__johnny]

well i like radioheads ride cymbal, thats all i can think of right now, but im into music from like glassjaw, the receiving end of sirens, to like muse and radiohead, stuff like that. i dont want anything real old, and i want it to have a light pretty sound, but also something i can hit hard and can sound loud and rock when it needs too. that help?

hmm.. anything medium weighted would be ideal...and a decent bell.

Hand Hammered Classic ride. give that a shot.

[DrumIntoTheNight]

Okay, found an old Paiste Cymbal last night, looked to be 14", with what looked like 'Forumla CO2' written on it, although it was hard to make out. The Paiste logo had a shooting star and a crescent moon on it, IIRC. Any ideas on the age of this cymbal?

Thanks guys.

[Drum Phil]

Paiste formula 602?

VERY good cymbals :)

[DrumIntoTheNight]

Ahh, that would make far more sense!

It's got a huge crack/chunk taken out of it though, which is a real shame.

[byrkee]

ok well, whats one of the best sounding ride cymbals to yall for about 200$?

[drummguy731]

Hmm, probably the 20" Zildjian K Ride, not K Custom, just K. It may be a bit over the price range, but it's really worth it.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

well i like radioheads ride cymbal, thats all i can think of right now, but im into music from like glassjaw, the receiving end of sirens, to like muse and radiohead, stuff like that. i dont want anything real old, and i want it to have a light pretty sound, but also something i can hit hard and can sound loud and rock when it needs too. that help?

Hmmm, some things you could consider:

Zildjian:

A medium ride
K heavy ride (perhaps)
A custom ride

Sabian:

AA medium ride
AAX stage ride

As for light as well as hard rock, that might be difficult with one cymbal, but a medium one like these might do the trick. There are other brands too just these are the two I know best.

http://www.sabian.com
http://www.zildjian.com

Both sites have things where you can listen to clips of what the cymbals sound like, which is useful but ultimately you need to go try them out before you buy.

I know the guy from muse uses a Zildjian K custom 22" ride but that's probs over $200 and maybe not much like radiohead's, though I'm not as the only disc of theirs that I have is The Bends. In fact they all might be over $200, I don't know USA/Aussie prices.

[Houdini]

Look used. I got my 20" AAX dry ride for $120. It had just a few stick marks on it.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Look used. I got my 20" AAX dry ride for $120. It had just a few stick marks on it.

^^^ Actually yes that's a really good point... I got all my cymbals used, and they were something like half as much as new, and all in good condition. If they're not damaged when you buy them then they're probably likely to stay that way for a long long time as long as you hit them probably, but that's always the case.

So yeah, go used if you can! And be sure to try cymbals out first! Also, not all are exactly the same, depending on the sort, e.g. things like Sabian Hand Hammered, and Zildjian K/K custom do vary from one to the other a bit, whereas opther like As, AAs, etc, do not vary as much, but still best to try out the specific one first.

One way would be go to a big music store and see if you can try out cymbals, perhaps with a drumkit and your current other cymbals, and then keep your eyes open on the used market. I don't know what it is like where you live but there are people selling a lot of decent used gear if you search around.

[byrkee]

thanks for the info i will check those but theres no places around here with that stuff and theres no place i can try them out first anyway

and wow that hand hammered ride sounds really good, but it looks diffrent on the sabian site than the site below.

edit:i just found this site with used cymbals, is it any good?
http://www.uncleikes.com/index.html

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

thanks for the info i will check those but theres no places around here with that stuff and theres no place i can try them out first anyway

and wow that hand hammered ride sounds really good, but it looks diffrent on the sabian site than the site below.

edit:i just found this site with used cymbals, is it any good?
http://www.uncleikes.com/index.html

Um it looks alright, though tbh their used cymbals looked old or not great quality, but it's hard to tell, and as I'm from England I have no idea how the prices are. But with second hand gear it is ESSENTIAL that you check it out in person before you buy - there could be anything wrong with it, and there is usually no guarantee on it, at least not from the manufacturer. That said, if it's a reputable store then should be ok, but yeah.

[byrkee]

i dont know if i want to take any risk of getting it used, so i think i will buy the HHC ride new for $319
unless anyone else has a good idea of the site?

[fishbulb]

I don't know what an HHC ride is, but you could try www.musicgoround.com

[Little Android Man]

I don't know what an HHC ride is, but you could try www.musicgoround.com

oh come on, obviously it is HHX.

[fishbulb]

Right. I forgot that x was next to c.

[byrkee]

HHC= hand hammered classic ride, and that website doesn't have it..

[fishbulb]

Would that be a sabian cymbal then?

[paiste4884]

So Im going to buy a sabian AA thin crash, and I am wondering with it being thin, what are the odds of it cracken? Im not to hard of a hitter.

[fishbulb]

Don't thicker cymbals have a better chance of being cracked because they cannot "bend" and resonate as much?

[MeaninglessPhoto]

yup. Thicker cymbals like Rock Crashes have a higher chance of cracking than Thin cymbals.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Well, to an extent. Thin cymbals do break easier than, more example, medium thin or medium crashes, if you hit hard. If you have decent technique breaking shouldn't be a problem, but thin ones are thinner and so weaker. It's only with the really thick rock models and ranges e.g z custom that would crack more easily due to their weight.

e.g. people break splashes (which are v. thin) more than most other types of cymbal just cos they hit them too hard

But then breaking an A med thin crash won't barely break at all. In fact most won't.

So yeah an A thin crash's probably not gonna break as you don't hit hard and know how to hit a cymbal properly.

[Maggot Dream]

So I'm looking around for another china. I currently have a 19" Paragon china, pretty dark. So, for this one, I'd like something brighter and trashier, but not too clangy (so, Wuhans are pretty much out).

I've so far checked out some Paiste Sig and 2002 Thin and regular Chinas, and I'm definitely liking the thin chinas from both lines.

Any other suggestions?

[Sabian]

AAXtreme chinas

[static]

Paiste sig. thins.

[Maggot Dream]

Paiste sig. thins.

Yeah.



I've tried the Zildjian chinas, and I didn't like them too much, for the most part. I'll try out the AAXtreme ones too. Anything else?

[static]

Paiste sig. thins.

[ant_182]

I have the oriental. Love it. You tried that line?

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

I have the oriental. Love it. You tried that line?

Oriental classic china
Oriental china trash
A china high (the low is nice IMO but not quite so bright)

[Anera43]

I don't really need cymbals to be found, I more or less need help on which ones to buy. I'm on a really tight budget and I was looking at either getting Sabian AA Metal-X Crash Pack, or The Sabian B8 Pack. And if you have suggestions on and alternatives to these that would be greatly appreciated as well :D

The types of music I play range from rock to metal, thanks in advance guys!

Sabian AA Metal-X (free 10" splash)
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sabian-AA-MetalX-Crash-Pack-with-AA-MetalX-Splash?sku=446538

Sabian B8 (Free 10" Splash and Free 18" Medium Crash)
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sabian-B8-Cymbal-Pack-with-Free-10-Splash-and-18-Crash?sku=447849

[fishbulb]

First: Sabian B8's are beginner's beginner cymbals: very low end just to start out. Sabian AA Metal-X's are considered pro-level cymbals.

Now these packs: The B8 pack has hats, three crashes, a ride and a splash. Lots of cymbals for pretty cheap.

The Metal-X pack has two crashes and a splash.

Generally in a setup you have one pair of hi-hats and that is essential. That is what you keep time on. Now a ride cymbal is completely optional, you keep time on it, but that's what the hi-hats are for as well. Now which one is "better" to play on? Well, that depends on the musical situation, the feel, or even if your left foot is occupied and therefore cannot operate the hi-hat pedal, but i'm not going into this further.

B8's are, in my mind, cymbals that are cheap so you can buy them and have something to play right away. Later they will be upgraded and discarded. If you buy 6 cymbals, that's a lot to be replaced. I don't know how seriously you are looking into drumming or if you are planning on pursuing this hobby your whole life, but you'd be better off getting cheap hats and a crash to hold you for a while, then add pro crashes/other cymbals later.

Now the AA Metal-X's: They are very unidimensional cymbals. Now that means that, although they do sound good in metal or heavy rock, they do not fit or blend with jazz, blues, or other genres of music. Not versatile at all.

These cymbals also sound very different, if you haven't heard them go to http://www.sabian.com and listen to soundclips of them in the "Sound Check" page.

Now nearly every cymbal needs its own stand, so if you get the B8 pack, add $200-$300 worth of stands depending on the quality of them.
Any more questions, please ask as i will be happy to help you.

[Anera43]

Thanks a lot man, I'll probably end up gettin the Metal-X's, I have been playing for quite some time on some really poor cymbals and I was just looking for an upgrade. But since I've never replaced my cymbals before I didn't know which ones to get. But since the Metal-X's are considered high quality I'll just invest in those rather than the beginner ones. And I've already replaced my hats with some old zildjian ones that a friend gave me, the have a nice sound to 'em so I bet I can wring a bit more life out of em. Anyway, thanks a lot man.

[paiste4884]

So my local drum store is having a sale on paiste dimentions. A heavy ride goes for 170 US. Is that good?

[fishbulb]

Pretty good. Generally i think of pro level rides going for $200 and up.

[drummguy731]

Speaking of rides, anyone have any experience with the 22" K Ride? I like the 20", but it sounds too similar to my K Hybrid, so I figured a bigger size would mean a bigger, slightly lower sound.

[fishbulb]

Berk has a K Heavy ride so he might have looked into the K ride and K Hybrids as well.

Give him a holla.

[drummguy731]

Yeah, the 24" Light Ride is going to be way too hard to control and on the wallet for me.

[fishbulb]

Steal it?

Then again it is a 24" cymbal so it would be hard to conceal that, but maybe if...

[static]

22" is darker and more metallic than the 20".

[drummguy731]

Yeah, that's what I'd like, a darker sound then the Hybrid. I really need to find some other sound clip then Zildjian's. Hopefully they'll have one in Chicago.

[Cjc1706]

hey,

im looking for a match for my current A custom 18" crash. Im thinking of either going for a 19" A custom, another 18" A Custom, a 19" Avendis Med / Thin crash or an 18" Advendis Med/Thin crash ?

What do you guys think. I may treat myself to two of the above so please let me know what you think

Cheers

CJ

[fishbulb]

I personally wouldn't get two of the same exact crash. Maybe the same size but a different line like a Projection or a Fast?

[Cjc1706]

yeah, im leaning more toward the 18 A Crash (Thin/Med) or the 19" version of it. Just hope that it will mix well with the A custom :eek:

Cheers

CJ

[Junknut]

Hey,

I'm looking for a ride cymbal that has a nice ping to it and can be used to crash on when needed and will fit in nicely with heavy rock styled music.

I currently own a 20" Z Custom ride and hate it... Looking for something a fair bit lighter with more wash to it.

Cheers

[Seafroggys]

Hey,

I'm looking for a ride cymbal that has a nice ping to it and can be used to crash on when needed and will fit in nicely with heavy rock styled music.

I currently own a 20" Z Custom ride and hate it... Looking for something a fair bit lighter with more wash to it.

Cheers

hmmm, pingy and crashable? Gonna be a hard to find combination. My 22" A Ping Ride is pingy but it sucks as a crash. Maybe the 20" might work better.

[TTTSNB]

^ K Heavy Ride. Won't be super pingy, but certainly enough for rock music, with a nice crash sound.

[fishbulb]

When you said ping i thought a heavy ride, but when you said wash and crash i thought a thinner ride.

What are the sweet rides like? For some reason that came to my mind.

[Mr. Grill]

Sweet rides are all wash and no definition.

[fishbulb]

So just ugly.

[ludvista29]

Maybe an A Medium Ride.

[Seafroggys]

Maybe an A Medium Ride.

yes, and use nylon tip for additional pinginess.

[fishbulb]

Ouch, nylon tips suck, but it will probably help your pinginess.

[We_Love_Lime]

Maybe an A Medium Ride.

Mos Def.

[gimp fest]

hey,
i'm looking to upgrade my B8 ride. I don't have much of an idea about how size affects sound, but i would like a ride with clean,clear stick definition with a fairly bright sound. I play two bands, one playing grindcore and one indie(ish) band.
thanks for any help

[ant_182]

Try them out!!! the Paiste 2002s are lovely, I would get a 22" or 20" :)

[gimp fest]

thanks man, i really would but i don't know a shop near me that i can try cymbals out at.I'm living pretty rural here :p
are the paiste soundclips worth listening to?

[spirit]

thanks man, i really would but i don't know a shop near me that i can try cymbals out at.I'm living pretty rural here :p
are the paiste soundclips worth listening to?

Yes. Paiste are the only manufacturer I know of that aim for and achieve consistency within all their models in all their ranges.

[gimp fest]

right, thanks. any other rides i could look into?

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Paiste 2002, Signature

Zildjian K/Custom

Sabian AAX/HHX/HH

[fishbulb]

Yes, Paiste soundclips are real accurate.

I'm getting a 2oo2 Heavy ride 20". I want a nice bright ping with lots of stick definition and little wash and the 2oo2 Heavy Ride pretty much fits the bill.

[Johan VDS]

hmmm, pingy and crashable? Gonna be a hard to find combination.
Listen to these:

http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/20_Heavy_Ride_2655gr.mp3
http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/20_Heavy_Ride_2655gr.jpg




http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/22_Dark_Heavy_Ride_3275gr_-from_Istanbul.mp3
http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/22_Dark_Heavy_Ride_3275gr_-from_Istanbul.jpg



http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/22_Dry_Ride_3165_gr.mp3
http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/22_Dry_Ride_3165_gr.jpg



http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/20_Dark_Heavy_Ride_2880_gr.mp3
http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/2_CRASHES_and_RIDES_18_inch_and_bigger/20_Dark_Heavy_Ride_2880_gr.jpg

[Seafroggys]

okay I just got hosed.

[fishbulb]

If those weren't so dry and had a slightly brighter ping i would definitely be tempted to buy one.

[maniac0796]

Alright

I'm looking for a ride.

Something with a big fat heavy bell that'll kill children in 3rd world countrys when i hit it, yet, a main body, that produces a clear, defined and well projected hit, but will cover it up with wash.

So, probably something with an Unlathed bell, and a partially unlathed body or something.

[static]

HH Raw Bell Dry Ride?

[maniac0796]

too clangy..., but i'll keep it in mind

However, i do like the AAX stage ride.

[fishbulb]

partially unlathed body

I immediately thought of the K Hybrids when you said that, i'm not sure of how they sound though.

[Little Android Man]

The bells on hybrids are weak.

[maniac0796]

Mmmmm, K hybrids. They would cost an absolute fortune, and if LedZep's statement is true, then yeah...

[drummguy731]

They aren't weak, just not what you want. If you want something that'll make ears bleed, I'd go with the A Custom Ping Ride or the K Custom Ride(either in 22"). Either those or the K Heavy Ride.

[maniac0796]

I don't want an uber heavy ride, because in all honestly, i can get the same sound from a ingot of iron.

[drummguy731]

The rides I suggested aren't really heavy(except the K Heavy Ride, which is pretty hravy). The K Custom and Ping Rides are both Medium-Heavy in weight, which isn't that heavy. The Projection ride is Heavy, but you might want to try those just for the heck of it.

[maniac0796]

I'll write em down and add em to the list.

The projection rides description sounds good, but the sound samples on the zildjian site make it sound very simple. I was looking for something a bit more complex.

K custom medium, was pretty much the same as the Projection.

And the ping was just eugh

However, i looked at the A custom medium, and that was nice sounding.

From what I've found out so far, it's the Sabian AAX stage ride, and the Zildjian A custom Medium ride which have caught my ear the most.

[drummguy731]

Cool dude, good luck!

Alright, I'm in a pickle. I need a jazzier crash and I'm looking at the 17" K Thin Dark Crash. I'm pretty much set on that, but I was wondering how the 17" K Custom Dark Crash sounds in comparison. Also, any other suggestions would be great.

[GodOfDrums]

Duz ne1 no wht simbolz travis uzes?

[drummguy731]

Hahahahahaahahhaaahaha.....Why don't you go to Zildjian's website and look up his artist profile?

[Drum Phil]

Can someone suggest a pair of hats that would go well with 13" Meinl byzance fast hats? Contrasting yet blending.

Dont care about brand. Prefer them to be darkish with a brightish chick.

[GodOfDrums]

Hahahahahaahahhaaahaha.....Why don't you go to Zildjian's website and look up his artist profile?

cz it dsnt mayk sense.

i hv zbtz n thyr bttr thn my frends sabn hxs bt i wnt sumfin shnier.

[drummguy731]

I really love my K Hybrid hats. With being both lathed and unlathed, and brilliant and traditional, they've got a really good blend of warmth and brightness. They also have a really good chick.

[Drum Phil]

I think they'll be too different to the fast hats. They've got a trad (or brilliant, i forget) finish top and a raw bottom with holes drilled through.

I'm thinking maybe some paiste sig SE's. Just for variation.

[GodOfDrums]

dnt gt payst. thy suk. get zilshun

[drummguy731]

That's cool. Give 'em a try though if you get a chance.

And to the other dude, you can't be serious. Buying a cymbal because of its shininess? That's sad. Barker uses a combination of A's and K's. Good luck.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Phil go for SE's they're tasty

[Drum Phil]

Im thinking of the 15s for mucho wash to contrast the 13s tightness.

[GodOfDrums]

That's cool. Give 'em a try though if you get a chance.

And to the other dude, you can't be serious. Buying a cymbal because of its shininess? That's sad. Barker uses a combination of A's and K's. Good luck.

fuk u dckead

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Yeah phil. I'm gettin 15" 2002 SE's

[Drum Phil]

Nice man. I prefer sig hats to 2002s, but whatever floats your boat.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Yeah phil man for sure, I love 2002's

[Drum Phil]

Im after a 20" 2002 thin crash but apparently they dont make them anymore

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

they will if you ask nicely.

[drummguy731]

:lol: You might be able to find one around. Paiste might even have some left over from production.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

i believe they'd make a custom order one

[gimp fest]

hey, i'm looking for a china. Trashy, super quick decay, not really loud. Not too big either but loud enough to slice though heavy music.

[drummguy731]

Wow, hmmm...:lol: Maybe the Oriental Classic China. That's a nice one. I've heard the Evolution chinas are nice. Maybe the Avedis Swish Knocker.

[gimp fest]

Wow, hmmm...:lol: Maybe the Oriental Classic China. That's a nice one. I've heard the Evolution chinas are nice. Maybe the Avedis Swish Knocker.

right thanks,haha, was that a bit overly specific?

[GodOfDrums]

gt whteva travis uses.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

/\/\ no

Try out the Oriental Classic China like Drumguy suggested.

[gimp fest]

gt whteva travis uses.
ah right sweet.i'm going to the drum shop tomorrow so i'll ask and get it.

:chug:ntrly

EDIT:thanks meaningless,i'll look into that one.

[GodOfDrums]

y nt

[MeaninglessPhoto]

cz trvs iz gy u dmbazz

[GodOfDrums]

he roks! cnut

[MeaninglessPhoto]

wrng btch. Ld zppln owns bnk182.

so tke tht mthr****r!

[GodOfDrums]

no thy dnt

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Im looking for a ride.

Bright, great ping, not much wash, great bell.

Help me lovelies.

[randomjay]

i play mostly rock and medal, some jazz, think that would be a good ride for me?
I would have to go with possibly a hhx studio ride I have heard it in live settings it is sweet for metal cause it has a decent crash sound and it has that warmer sound for jazz.

[Seafroggys]

Im looking for a ride.

Bright, great ping, not much wash, great bell.

Help me lovelies.

22" A Ping Ride!

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

What froggy said

[fishbulb]

Im looking for a ride.

Bright, great ping, not much wash, great bell.

Help me lovelies.

20" 2oo2 Heavy Ride. I'm not a fan of the pings at all.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

22" A Ping Ride!

:p Already have one. Its an older model though. Im not sure if there is a difference between the new and the older model, sound wise. My ping doesnt have much of a ping anymore. It sounds like a medium ride now.

[drummguy731]

I'd look at the K Heavy Ride, it fits your description. Also look into the K Special Dry Ride(I think it's called).

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Like the cereal? :p

Thanks for the suggestion. Ill try to find out and try it out.

[iamjoe2]

im looking for a splash, somthin like the zil a custum 10 in but, all my other cymbals are sabian,


this isnt a big deal but id like to stick to one brand, im not goning to get an inferior cymbal just because of brand.


thanks

[drummguy731]

How about the Vault series? I think they're supposed to be identical to the A Customs.

[iamjoe2]

apparently sabian dosent make vault splashes just checked the website

[fishbulb]

Nah, only hats, rides and crashes.

I can't wait for splashes and chinas, i hope they rock.

[Panopticon]

fishy you should order one...go to your local store, tell em you want a custom order and say you want a china based on the vault series. And give em the sound characteristics you want.

[fishbulb]

Hmm, i could but i'm not exactly in the market for a china right now.

[ant_182]

Hey, this is cymbal related, so here you are: I'm after a cymbal spring and ebay finally have some! But now I'm unsure what size I need, medium or large. Whats the difference ?Thanks
:)

[iamjoe2]

The medium spring, which is red, is recommended for crash cymbals 16” and larger. The yellow heavy spring is recommended for China cymbals and Ride cymbals 18” and larger.


ya know, i doing some research(on the sabian web site and at my drum shop) and i compared the a custom(10" splash) to the two i found on the sabian site to be the most alike, the aa and aax 10" splashes(aax is a tad darker but not much)

the major difference i noticed was the volume (which really supprised me)

i looked at one, hit it, looked at another, hit IT,... and DAMN that zil was loud compared to the sabians, the only differece vissually i noticed was the bell size(the zil bell was about twice as large) im no expert in cybals but does the bell size have much to do with volume?

bigger bell translates to more unlathed bronze, which i guess means more mass = more volume?

any ideas?

btw ant hope this helps

The medium spring, which is red, is recommended for crash cymbals 16” and larger. The yellow heavy spring is recommended for China cymbals and Ride cymbals 18” and larger.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Ant, IIRC, the large is for rides and chinas and the mediums are for crashes.

[iamjoe2]

^^^^^^^^ been there said that

[Panopticon]

twice actually

[MeaninglessPhoto]

ohh.

Whoops. I guess I need to read more :p

[Vannaroth]

'Afternoon, gents. Could anybody reccomend me a modern day equivalent to one of them there 70s swish cymbals? Or at least a 20" china that's good for riding and would work well with rivets drilled in?

[Iskandar]

I thought Zildjian still made China Swishes.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

they do

[Vannaroth]

The only thing I've found is a so called "Swish knocker" which only comes in 22" size. So far I think I'm gonna go for a 20" A high china and put some rivets in it.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

The only thing I've found is a so called "Swish knocker" which only comes in 22" size. So far I think I'm gonna go for a 20" A high china and put some rivets in it.

What exactly is the use / sound of a swish cymbal? Any songs use it etc?

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Well. Zildjian DOES make Swish Knockers and Swishes, but it is really hard to find modern swishes for sale. Ebay would be your best bet to find one.

A china that could work well would be a China High/Low because that is basically what a Swish Knocker is, just with a shitload of rivets.

[Vannaroth]

What exactly is the use / sound of a swish cymbal? Any songs use it etc?

With rivets they have a nice wispy, sizzling kind of sound and can also be used for alternative rides. One can be heard being crashed in "Limelight" by Rush in the chorus.

But like Meaningless said I think I'll get a 20" china high and stick about 10 or so rivets in it

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Good plan ;)

It might also save you some money as well.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

With rivets they have a nice wispy, sizzling kind of sound and can also be used for alternative rides. One can be heard being crashed in "Limelight" by Rush in the chorus.

But like Meaningless said I think I'll get a 20" china high and stick about 10 or so rivets in it

The A chinas are really nice in any case... I want to get one, either that or the oriental, but I can only find the china trash rather than the classic, and they only have about 2% sustain.

[spirit]

You could special order one.

Just a thought.

[drummguy731]

You guys know what china Vinnie was using when he played at Modern Drummer in 2000? It doesn't look like an Oriental, but I'm not sure. Thanks..

[Plan B.]

i think it's an a custom china

i have one!

[drummguy731]

They made a 22" A Custom once?

[Plan B.]

I think it's a 20"

[drummguy731]

Yeah, I think. Do you have any pics of yours? It'd help me compare. I really love that sound though.

[Plan B.]

i don't have any shots of it directly but i have some kit shots with the china in it:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/bill1987/Left.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/bill1987/Rightside2.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/bill1987/Right2.jpg
:lol:

[drummguy731]

Thanks a lot man. I think I've had enough of the Orientals for awhile(I've got two). What size is your A Custom China?

[Plan B.]

20" mother, biggest they got!

[kc1296426]

Whats the specs on that thang?
Or did I miss it already...

[Plan B.]

what thang?

[kc1296426]

the whole cymbal thang you got going there.
Haha, sorry.

[Plan B.]

Oh, so many different ones there, those are really old pix

my old 22" K Medium Ride

19"K thin crash
15" K custom
AAX stage hats
18" A Med. crash
a custom flat ride

i think that's it

[Daven]

I need some help. Im looking into getting a 10" splash, with a bright sound, durable for playing rock or metal. Any Meinl series, thanks.

[gimp fest]

I need some help. Im looking into getting a 10" splash, with a bright sound, durable for playing rock or metal. Any Meinl series, thanks.

The MB10 splash or MB20 rock splash would fit the bill i believe.

[iamjoe2]

check out the zildjian a custom splash(10 in)

its the best ive seen and it really cuts through

[fastlane]

im looking for a china cymbal. i play modern rock to metal to some christian rock. idk much about what sound i want b/c i dont have a lot of experience with them. i have a custom cymbals so something that will blend well. i liked the sound of the k customs but that was over the internet so who knows @_@

[Drum Phil]

K custom hybrid.

[static]

K Custom Hybrid indeed.

[fastlane]

^ sounds good to me. thx guys. any second and third choices just for reference and something to compare the sound too. now i gotta ask choice of stand? do i need a boom or just a regular or what? something pearl. lin?

oh yea did i mention they just look freaking sweet too lol

[ant_182]

Get a boom, more options with them. I recomend TAMA RoadPros solid as hell :)hat aize K HYbrid?

[gimp fest]

plus the RoadPros can convert to straights if needs be. Pearl BC800W stands do this too,not the heaviest stand ever but will keep your china up splendidly.

[fastlane]

alright that sounds good to me. im going to a place today to look around but im not sure what they'll have.

[ant_182]

I'm after a 17" A Custom Crash. Where can I get one real cheap in the UK?

Thanks

[spirit]

www.uk-cymbals.co.uk

www.rockfactory.co.uk

You may be able to find it cheaper, but only if it's on offer.

Also, my recommendation would be to find a crash you like in a local store, then make them price match. You get the sound you want for the best price.

[ant_182]

Sorry, I forgot to mention. Rockfactory is out of stock and uk-cymbals isn't working. The store near me (music, not drum) wanted £350 for mastersounds....?

I have emailed two other sites which offer a price matching service but I need the cymbal for frieday!!!

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

newcastle drum centre are pretty cool guys.

[gimp fest]

http://www.adcdrums.co.uk/prodtype.asp?PT_ID=105&strPageHistory=cat

not bad with free next day deliv

[fastlane]

ok guys i made it up to the store yesterday to see what they had. they had a K custom 19" china for $473 but it was 40% off (idk why they just mark it down anyways cause thats the standard price of cymbals -.-) so it puts at right about $300 with tax unless I can get military discount. They also had a Avedis China Cymbal that was 16" I believe and a 16" oriental china trash. They were both about $170 after tax. Any of those sound good or do you really think a hybrid is what I'm looking for?

Also on splash cymbals: do you guys use a full stand or do you use clamps and what not? I saw a thing called the claw that hook to a rack tom to hold a splash. Anyone know anything about them? The reason I asked is b/c they had A custom 6" splash as well for about $60.

[spirit]

Sorry, I forgot to mention. Rockfactory is out of stock and uk-cymbals isn't working. The store near me (music, not drum) wanted £350 for mastersounds....?

I have emailed two other sites which offer a price matching service but I need the cymbal for frieday!!!

UK Cymbals now sell through eBay. No idea why they decided to do that, but that's their call.

Oh, and £350 for Mastersounds is worthy of petrol bombing their house and killing their children.

Beyond them, things get more expensive quite quickly.

I mean beyond the two I mentioned.

And as far as I can tell, ADC Drums seem to be the next cheapest.

[gimp fest]

ok guys i made it up to the store yesterday to see what they had. they had a K custom 19" china for $473 but it was 40% off (idk why they just mark it down anyways cause thats the standard price of cymbals -.-) so it puts at right about $300 with tax unless I can get military discount. They also had a Avedis China Cymbal that was 16" I believe and a 16" oriental china trash. They were both about $170 after tax. Any of those sound good or do you really think a hybrid is what I'm looking for?

Also on splash cymbals: do you guys use a full stand or do you use clamps and what not? I saw a thing called the claw that hook to a rack tom to hold a splash. Anyone know anything about them? The reason I asked is b/c they had A custom 6" splash as well for about $60.

Now it's totally down to you bruv. Did you really like any of the chinas you tried out at the shop? The hybrid was just a suggestion. Don't take it as gospal troof, but it's jus getting you going.There are plenty of chinas out there to suit your needs.

I always mount splashes on cymbal boom arms. It's just the way i do it, but it's a lot cheaper and they do the job just fine. I havn't heard of a claw but it sounds fine,or just get an arm and clamp to attach to a cymbal stand. 6" may be a little flimsy and weak for your musical needs,but again, if you've tried it and you like it then go for it!

[fishbulb]

I'm after a 17" A Custom Crash. Where can I get one real cheap in the UK?

Thanks

You will not regret purchasing that cymbal.

[fastlane]

Now it's totally down to you bruv. Did you really like any of the chinas you tried out at the shop? The hybrid was just a suggestion. Don't take it as gospal troof, but it's jus getting you going.There are plenty of chinas out there to suit your needs.

I always mount splashes on cymbal boom arms. It's just the way i do it, but it's a lot cheaper and they do the job just fine. I havn't heard of a claw but it sounds fine,or just get an arm and clamp to attach to a cymbal stand. 6" may be a little flimsy and weak for your musical needs,but again, if you've tried it and you like it then go for it!

Well thanks man. I just don't know much about chinas but I really want one. I'm tempted to just go after a splash for now and wait on the china. I've still got a lot to learn though. I wasn't really considering the 6" cause it had no sound to it all @_@ but it just got me thinkin about the splashes. What are some other good sounding chinas? Also on interenet recordings are they that much different from irl? srry for the newb question :thumb:

[ant_182]

Ok, thanks. I've emailed a few to see if I can get the price beater. If not I shall go with ADC drums.

[gimp fest]

Well thanks man. I just don't know much about chinas but I really want one. I'm tempted to just go after a splash for now and wait on the china. I've still got a lot to learn though. I wasn't really considering the 6" cause it had no sound to it all @_@ but it just got me thinkin about the splashes. What are some other good sounding chinas? Also on interenet recordings are they that much different from irl? srry for the newb question :thumb:

no worries :) dude, you don't really have to know that much lol. A lot of it is personal preferance, sound clips are a good starting point, they give you a general idea of the sound qualities, but to really know what a cymbal is like you should go and try some out at your local drum shop. Every cymbal is different and some sound clips can be waayy off.

The sound clips on sites should give you a decent indication of what weight and size cymbal you like and then you can take it from there. That's how i found the hats i really want.

I would personally look into a china if i was you. probs 18" so it's not too loud for other styles of music you play. Paiste 2002,sabian AAxplosion chinas are nice imo.