*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[Drum Phil]

Remember, "fullstroke."

Did you learn that when them dudes made you their bitch?

"Rape him with nice full strokes boys"

[Zildjian]

coco is right though...

[Drum Phil]

I agree with aaron. They take more to get going and i dislike that sound personally.

I like thinner cymbals where i can quickly flick them for an accent.

Full strokes have their down points.

[Jeff]

they do phil? plz explain.

[drummguy731]

Coca and Aaron, stop arguing, seriously, it's childish to say he hits like a pansy, and you are also making a blind assumption yourself Coca. Geez, anyway, medium and heavier crashes will open up slower than a thinner cymbal, they are meant to.

[CasB]

I agree with aaron. They take more to get going and i dislike that sound personally.

I like thinner cymbals where i can quickly flick them for an accent.

Full strokes have their down points.

Smaller, thinner cymbals FTW! :thumb:

[Drum Phil]

they do phil? plz explain.

Theres a point when speed and full strokes dont mix well. They results in bad technique.

You cannot accent with fullstrokes.

Anyone who uses fullstrokes on a thin splash shouldnt be allowed near them.

[Randy_Orton1]

I was just wondering, what's the difference between a traditional finished cymbal and brilliant finished cymbal? (sound-wise)

[drummguy731]

Umm, I think traditional finished cymbals tend to be brighter, it may be the other way around though.

[Zildjian]

brillient - Bright, glassy
Trad - Not as bright

[Randy_Orton1]

What do you guys prefer?? So trad is darker? Damn... I love the look of brilliant finish'd cymbals, but i don't like bright cymbals, i like them dark. Is it a noticable difference? ( in the sound )

[Randy_Orton1]

What would a Dark crash sound like, in brilliant finish?? o__O;;
I saw an AAX 18" Dark Crash in brilliant finish... What would it sound like? Would the brillian finish kill the "darkness" in the crash?

[Randy_Orton1]

anyone wanna help me out?? :(

[drummguy731]

No, it wouldn't kill the darkness, it'd just mellow it out a bit.

[FL3P]

The difference between traditional and brilliant is pretty much inaudible. Chances are if they sound different it's just because any two cymbals will have at least subtle differences and doesn't necessarily reflect the finish.

[Panopticon]

only crash with a half inch dimension is the 18.5" chad smith sig crash. never heard of anything else that comes in a half inch size

Theres a 20.5" chad smith crash too.

[DrummingBen]

Question for the aussie people that have bought cymbals overseas, what shop/internet site did you buy them off?

[440561]

Ok, I got a set of Paiste 101's (hats, ride and crash) for my birthday in March last year. Now I want something better lol. I also have another crash which is made by Paiste and its a Stambul (vintage)

So I have a few questions:

*How much could I sell the Stambul for?

*What should I upgrade next? (i.e. ride, crash or hats) I'm thinking crash is a good idea firstly.

*And what should I buy? I play Rock, to be honest lol that's about it. Although a cymbal that is good in various types of music (mainly Rock/Punk/Classic sorta rock, anything really)

I'm not wanting to spend a huge amount, I know, I should save and spend LOADS of money on one pro cymbal... No, I don't wanna blow £200 on a crash, I'll be honest!

Please help!

Im in the UK by the way.

[440561]

Also, I could sell my hats for £35, my crash for £35 and my ride for £40, easy if I can find someone who wants to buy them.

Edit: Im looking at some now and I wondered, what do you think of Stagg's Dual Hammered Range?

And what about Paiste PST 3 or PST 5?

Cheers

[Randy_Orton1]

I'm looking for a dry ride, preferrably made by Sabian, 20". I like the sound of the 21" Raw Bell Dry Ride, but i don't like the size of it and i don't like the Raw bell. I'm also looking for a pair of Dark Hi-hats, preferrably 14", made by Sabian too. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!

[drummguy731]

Poo on Sabian, K Dry Ride or Hybrid, and 14" K Hats!

[Little Android Man]

Although i disagree with drummguy on his Sabian comment, i do agree with him on his choices. The K dry ride and the K dark hats fit your discription (except the sabian part)

and maybe you should try out both the k dry ride and the (AA or HH?) dry bell ride, side by side, and compare them, and see how they really match up. It isnt the brand that matters remeber, its the sound..

[Aaron]

Question for the aussie people that have bought cymbals overseas, what shop/internet site did you buy them off?
Massmusic is your best bet mate.

[Randy_Orton1]

lol, i said i prefer Sabian because they are generally cheaper =P. I'm not the rich kind =(

[Little Android Man]

well the only one that would fit you description Sabian better than the K dry ride($290) would be the AA dry bell ($220). then there is the HH dry bell ($320), but thats definately out of your price range if you dont wanna spend alot. and for the hats.. i say K dark hats are just the way to go, no matter what. youre gunna have to dish out some dough every once in a while for drums, just remember that.

[440561]

Well thanks for the help...
Im looking at some now and I wondered, what do you think of Stagg's Dual Hammered Range?

And what about Paiste PST 3 or PST 5?

Cheers

[Aaron]

Stagg's DHs and SHs are hit and miss. I personally don't like their heavier weighted stuff [medium and up] but their thin stuff is nice if you hand-select it.

PST-3s aren't worth touching. PST-5s are a fine intermediate-level cymbal; they are the same alloy as 2002s. I'm tempted to buy a set of PST-5s and send them to Johan to modify into jazz stuff.

[440561]

Ive found a stagg DH 14" china (£30) and 16" crash (£40) so do you think these would be worth getting?

Or should I go with paiste? (Most likely PST3)

[gimp fest]

hi i'm looking for new hi hats, i play b*s at the minute but im looking for pro quality cymbals. I play in an indie band and a grindcore/thrash band too, i'm not fussed about brands or anything.

any ideas?

[440561]

How much do you have to spend?

[gimp fest]

How much do you have to spend?

well i'd like to keep it under £200

i love a glassy, crisp hat.

[Seafroggys]

i love a dark, meaty hat.

New Beats

[Aaron]

Ive found a stagg DH 14" china (£30) and 16" crash (£40) so do you think these would be worth getting?

Or should I go with paiste? (Most likely PST3)
PST-3s are horrible and clunky.

Try before you buy with DHs.

[Little Android Man]

paragons =)

actually, they arent glassy in the least bit, but you should try them out, who knows, you might like em.

[Odranaz]

im looking for great bright sounding, and afforable china and splash cymbals...preferably by sabian.:chug:

[Jeff]

im looking for great bright sounding, and afforable china and splash cymbals...preferably by sabian.:chug:

AA or AAX china and AAX splash. great cymbals. definitely try before you buy though.

i'm pretty sure theres an AAX pack available with an 18" china and a 10" splash.

[Aaron]

well i'd like to keep it under £200

i love a glassy, crisp hat.
Paiste Sig SEs

[Drum Phil]

Almost double his price range there aaron.

[Snarz]

Can you reccomend me a crash please?

I would like a crash in brilliant finish,dark and jazzy yet powerful and would stand up to some rock.Short sustain.Decay?

[raz0r]

Almost double his price range there aaron.

I'd hardly call £271.65 almost double £200.
Even the 15" ones are under £300.

[Drum Phil]

Really? :-/ Ah well. I coulda sworn they were bout £390 last time i looked.

[ant_182]

Hey, I'm after a new ride to replace a ZXT. I will be using it as a crash/ride, Zildjian Prefered (due to priceing bing cheaper) unless you can offer thesame thing for the same price. I lke the A Sweet Ride, but wondered if there is anything else I should check out. Thanks :)


-Ant-

[Drum Phil]

K Hybrid?

[/cliche]

Perhaps a 20" K Crash/ride?

[Mirror.Circuit]

Sweet Rides are very crashable,i don't know about the K Hybrids crashing ability though.
Depends on what kind of sound you want the ride to have.
Pingy,or washy?

[ant_182]

Washy sound :)


-Ant-

[raz0r]

Really? :-/ Ah well. I coulda sworn they were bout £390 last time i looked.

ecymbals.co.uk has them for that price.
They also have 40" Symphonic gongs for only £2499 (free postage, stand + mallet)

[ant_182]

Does this look in good nick? Also would a 22" A custom med ride suite my needs? thankshttp://i8.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/82/e3/c6ba_1.JPG


-Ant-

[static]

20" K Ride.

[saars]

If wash and crashability is what you're looking for, the sweet ride is a good choice. Dunno if you'll like the bell though.

[ant_182]

I don't offten use the bell of my ride that much, so I think I might try and grab this deal later today!


-Ant-

[Snarz]

Can you reccomend me a crash please?

I would like a crash in brilliant finish,dark and jazzy yet bright and powerful and would stand up to some rock.Short sustain.Decay?

[Drum Phil]

18" HHX of some kind?

[\m/-CHeV-\m/]

Can you reccomend me a crash please?

I would like a crash in brilliant finish,dark and jazzy yet bright and powerful and would stand up to some rock.Short sustain.Decay?

no doubt on this one: K custom 18" fast crash.. It's the secks.. or maybe 16", but i prefer the 18 inch. It's got everything youa sked for.. I play in a melo death band, and this is what i use as my main crash and i use it for crashing ride patterns. truly amazing cymbal ^^

[Drum Phil]

Ive got the 16.

It really is amazing.

[Snarz]

I'm looking into the 16".I really do like this one does it sound anything like the sample on the zlidjian website?

[Drum Phil]

Mines a little brighter and quicker.

Sounds good at low volumes and when played with mallets.

[Snarz]

Cool I think im gonna call up my local store and see how much that one is.I'm really liking that.

[ant_182]

Just bought the 21" A Sweet ride as it seemed to fit my descriptions. £142 in total, slightly used :) Should be here teusday/wednesday :)


-Ant-

[Drum Phil]

You lose.

[Little Android Man]

Can you reccomend me a crash please?

I would like a crash in brilliant finish,dark and jazzy yet bright and powerful and would stand up to some rock.Short sustain.Decay?

Dark and bright??
kinda contradicted yourself there, no?

[kevkev44]

I'm going to Sam Ash tommorrow, and I'm looking for maybe a crash or two crashes or one crash and one ride. I sometimes play punk, and most of the heavy stuff like Underoath, Drop Dead Gorgeous and such. And I have a pocket of $460, but I also plan on buying new heads. I'm new to cymbals, and I have no clue of what I should be looking for. So please give me good recomendations. I want my crash(es) to be main. Because I'm going to be using those/that crash(es) all the time and I want them/it too be in front and main. Thanks a bunch.

[Snarz]

Alot of people that like to play to Underoath tend to like bigger crashes.

[kevkev44]

Bigger Crashes? What do you mean?

I need to know specific cymbals that I should get.

[Snarz]

I can't tell you what to buy I can just suggest things for you...Best thing to do is to go to the store and play them if you can.But by bigger crashes I mean from 18"-22" as crashes some people like rides as their crashes.

[Little Android Man]

an A sweet ride would do you pretty good. it has a lot of wash, so it can be a great crashable ride if you need a larger crash.

[kevkev44]

I'll look into that. Any other cymbals I should look at and buy? Because I want MAIN cymbal(s) that I'm going to use for a long time and I want my crash(es) to be good for my genre of playing.

[Aaron]

If I were in your situation I'd aim for two 18" or 19" crashes that are alternate pitches and weights; one medium-thin higher pitched model for normal crash work and another heavy-weight low pitched model for that heavy crash sound.

[Seafroggys]

If I were in your situation I'd aim for two 18" or 19" crashes that are alternate pitches and weights; one medium-thin higher pitched model for normal crash work and another heavy-weight low pitched model for that heavy crash sound.

I'd use Mediums for your heavies....I find them plenty loud enough, I can't imagine having anything heavier for a crash.

[Drum Phil]

Something like an 18" K Custom fast crash and an 18" AAXplosion should suffice.

Then maybe a 21" Sweet ride too?

[kevkev44]

Hmmmm, sounds interesting. I'm new to cymbals but I get what you guys are saying.

[Snarz]

Okay I"m looking into some A Customs.

Now I've heard that they tend to crack easy becasue they are thin?Like I think I have good technique.So should I worry about this or should I just go buy it?

And would Zildjian replace a cracked cymbal?

[ant_182]

Zildjian have a 1 year warrenty on all cymbals. Treat your cymbals right and they'll be ok


-Ant-

[stevensonmat2]

Okay I"m looking into some A Customs.

Now I've heard that they tend to crack easy becasue they are thin?Like I think I have good technique.So should I worry about this or should I just go buy it?

And would Zildjian replace a cracked cymbal?

They wont replace it if the damage is entirely your fault(ie you hit it incorrectly or just to damn hard). If you break a proffesional cymbal like an A custom then either the cymabl is deffective or your playing is.

[Snarz]

Lol ..Well I heard they were really thin.And I think I treat my cymbals fairly well.

[Mirror.Circuit]

they're not really any thinner than normal A's,as far asi know.
just play correctly and don't bash on them,and you'll be fine.

[Snarz]

I don't bash:rolleyes: ...And if i do it isn't hard.

[kevkev44]

okay, just bought 21" A Sweet Ride today. Never got to hit the thing once because parents are sleeping but I'll try after school tommorrow or something.

What I bought at Sam *** today:
$244.99- A. Zildjian Sweet Ride
$56.99 - Evans Heads Prekpak with 4 heads
$42.99 - Evans Heads Bass Drum Batter
$65.99 - Boom Cymbal Stand

=D

[Little Android Man]

wait, you just went out and bought it without hitting it..?

[Aaron]

I'd use Mediums for your heavies....I find them plenty loud enough, I can't imagine having anything heavier for a crash.
I'm with you, but I meant for that crash-ride sound.

[wongacaster]

hmm im looking for some 13" fusion hats, the reason is i played a friends sabian 13" pro fusion hat and they were easily the best sounding hats ive played (in my oppion). but when i looked on ebay i could only find one set which looked like them but they were to expensive.
so can anyone help me.


oh and the sabian ones were also quit(sp?) thick.


thanks

[static]

13" Sabian Pro Fusion Hats.

[Aaron]

13" AA Fusions

[Seafroggys]

hmm im looking for some 13" fusion hats, the reason is i played a friends sabian 13" pro fusion hat and they were easily the best sounding hats ive played (in my oppion). but when i looked on ebay i could only find one set which looked like them but they were to expensive.
so can anyone help me.


oh and the sabian ones were also quit(sp?) thick.


thanks

13" New Beat fusion hats.

Except that they're automatically fusiony, so they won't say 'fusion' on them, it is implied.

[spike9908]

I'm looking for a quick, bright, cutting china. Like a small, less boomy version of the 18" AA, but brighter. Not Wuhan as I don't have anywhere nearby that stocks them.


Also, looking for a moderately bright crash with some nice, shimmering overtones to go with my 18" Vault and 16" 2002 full.

[drummguy731]

16" Oriental China Trash

[metalhead72]

hi everyone, im looking for a hihat that's melodic and cutting, with lots of power,
mostly for a rock setting. I prefer sabian, but am open to other brands as well.

[LoneStarDrummer]

metal- give hhx power hats a listen.


spike- try the 19" paragon china

[Seafroggys]

hi everyone, im looking for a hihat that's melodic and cutting, with lots of power,
mostly for a rock setting. I prefer sabian, but am open to other brands as well.

New Beats

[LoneStarDrummer]

saw that coming

[pikester]

I'm looking for a Ride. It just has to be cheap and decent.

[LoneStarDrummer]

give us a price range

[Jeff]

hi everyone, im looking for a hihat that's melodic and cutting, with lots of power,
mostly for a rock setting. I prefer sabian, but am open to other brands as well.

14" aax-celerators.

[saars]

I'm looking for a quick, bright, cutting china. Like a small, less boomy version of the 18" AA, but brighter. Not Wuhan as I don't have anywhere nearby that stocks them.

i thought wuhans were dark...

[Jeff]

I'm looking for a quick, bright, cutting china. Like a small, less boomy version of the 18" AA, but brighter. Not Wuhan as I don't have anywhere nearby that stocks them.



16" or 18" AAX china

[Tim]

hi everyone, im looking for a hihat that's melodic and cutting, with lots of power,
mostly for a rock setting. I prefer sabian, but am open to other brands as well.

AA rock hats.

[static]

Ops on HHX Evolution Crashes.

[Snarz]

AAX-Celerators are now coming in 15" sizes same with HHX-Celerators.

[Tim]

ohh i cant wait for the AAXplosion crash in 20 inch. also coming soon

[NewMetman]

Im looking for a 3rd splash. Something bright and cutting, with little to no sustain, for accenting and such. And also, O-zone sabian cymbals, how do these sound? Are they any good or just novelty

[Odranaz]

Clean Thread.

Basically, you describe the sound your looking for, and the other members will try their best to find a cymbal to match.

example:

Q:I want a crash that will stand up to live, unmiced metal, but not sound dead or unmusical.

A:AAX Metal Crash

Jim, if you could sticky this, and close the old one please? :thumb:

alright. found a 20" ZILDJIAN ZXT TITANIUM MEDIUM RIDE CYMBAL. im really bad wth zildjian sounds, but great with sabian ones. c you give me a ride that sounds as similar as you can get to that cymbal. thnks a lot. any extra info n the ride would be great too. :chug: thanks

[TTTSNB]

Im looking for a 3rd splash. Something bright and cutting, with little to no sustain, for accenting and such. And also, O-zone sabian cymbals, how do these sound? Are they any good or just novelty
7" K Custom Hybrid Splash.

[Zildjian]

alright. found a 20" ZILDJIAN ZXT TITANIUM MEDIUM RIDE CYMBAL. im really bad wth zildjian sounds, but great with sabian ones. c you give me a ride that sounds as similar as you can get to that cymbal. thnks a lot. any extra info n the ride would be great too. :chug: thanks

ZXT TI are crap, keep searching

[FL3P]

7" K Custom Hybrid Splash.

Do you mean 9"?

[TTTSNB]

Do you mean 9"?
Nope, 7", he said he wanted little to no sustain and a very bright sound.

[FL3P]

Do they make a 7" though?

[Odranaz]

ZXT TI are crap, keep searching

thanks, i will

[Drum Phil]

ohh i cant wait for the AAXplosion crash in 20 inch. also coming soon

They told me that wouldnt work.

[Odranaz]

i currently found some rock hats for $50 US. i really like the sound of AA regulars 14" but dont have the cash for them. are these any good, and what sabian cymbal has a close sound to these hats. :chug:

[TTTSNB]

Do they make a 7" though?
Yeah man. 7", 9", 11". I remember that being mentioned in an issue of MD.

[static]

I personally like XS hats, quite a bit actually. I'd say go for it.

[NewMetman]

I personally like XS hats, quite a bit actually. I'd say go for it.

I have some, they arent too shabby. A bit clangy sounding when opened, but still pretty good hats

[Tim]

They told me that wouldnt work.

that what wouldnt work

[Drum Phil]

A 20" AAXplosion would lose most of the qualities that made it an AAXplosion.

I tried to order one last year instead of my 19.

[Tim]

ohh. i wonder how much difference the 18 and 19 really are from eachother. i would like to hear them side by side.

[Aaron]

New Beats
He asked for melodic.

[Seafroggys]

He asked for melodic.

okay, how about a piano then? :rolleyes:

[Aaron]

How about 13" HHX Stage Hats or 14" Sig SEs or any sized Ufip Class-series hats?

[FL3P]

Yeah man. 7", 9", 11". I remember that being mentioned in an issue of MD.

Ive seen n the 9 and 11 but nothing of the 7 yet. I did notice the new A Custom EFX crashes though. I might just have to try one of those!

[Odranaz]

i currently these hats. how are they? if you can gimme sabian hats that sound the closest to these that be great. thanks. :chug:

[Aaron]

How would you describe them? No two cymbal makes sounds the same, but there are similarities, so it's easiest to match to taste.

[Odranaz]

How would you describe them? No two cymbal makes sounds the same, but there are similarities, so it's easiest to match to taste.

i know that no 2 cymbals will sound EXACTLY the same. i just wanna kno some sabain hats that have a similar sound and perform some-what the same. also, what type of music usually sounds well with these hats. what artists use these?

[ant_182]

Next buys
19" A Custom Crash
18" or 16" Oriental Trash

What would be better as a main china? (Size) What should I get First?

I have
14" A Mastersound Hi hats
19" Z Custom Med Crash
20" ZXT Med. Ride (2nd crash)
21" A Sweet Ride
14" Total ZXT China


-Ant-

[Aaron]

Alphas in a Rock weight are pretty applicable to most. I'd say AAs or AAXs in Rock weights [heavier models] are worth checking out if your looking to upgrade. I can't think of too many that use them; I know Baby-Bruford [Bill Bruford's son] uses them with his work in The Infadels.

[LoneStarDrummer]

go with the 18" to offset the 14" china you currently have. also since you're using a 20" ride as a crash, you'll want to stick with the slightly darker, fuller sound of an 18"

[ant_182]

;14080828']go with the 18" to offset the 14" china you currently have. also since you're using a 20" ride as a crash, you'll want to stick with the slightly darker, fuller sound of an 18"

The ride Is only temp. Till I get a new crash! Thanks :)


-Ant-

[Aaron]

What's peoples opinions of the 16" Zildjian A China-High?
Thinking of buying one and having it paired with my 12" Wuhan.

[FL3P]

I think that would sound very trashy and loud and quite cool.

[LoneStarDrummer]

i like it. it's a very clean sounding china. i prefer them that way.

by paired, are you referring to stacking them?

[Aaron]

Nah, I mean in the same setup but near each other. Do you know the song Take This Life by In Flames? He has a grove in the bridge where he rides two of them.. I want that type of sound.

[FL3P]

Ahhhh, I thought you meant together as well.

[LoneStarDrummer]

oh alright. just listened to the video on youtube. should work well then.

i hate stacked chinas by the way.

[Aaron]

Yup, so do I. I can handle a splash inside of a china for that buzz-sound.

[LoneStarDrummer]

yeah those can sound pretty nice. so long as the splash doesn't kill the sound of the china

[Aaron]

That's where half-felts come in handy.

[LoneStarDrummer]

definitely, gotta have some air space.

[Snarz]

That combo sounds sweet.

[Aaron]

ty,ty..

[LoneStarDrummer]

alright, so here's the deal. i'm looking for a new ride. my current ride is the paragon ride. it has a hell of lot of stick definition, a nice ping, powerful, bright bell, but only moderate overtones.

i'm looking for a secondary ride, around 20-22 inches for rock applications. it needs to have nice overtones, and a powerful, deep bell. crash-ability is not necessary. brand and price are not an issue.

so far, i've been listening to 21" meinl byzance dark ride. i need more options.

thanks

[Aaron]

Are you after wash?
I'd look at the HHX Groove Ride myself.

[LoneStarDrummer]

i would like a ride with a moderate amount of wash, but not to the point where it overtakes the ping sound, if that makes any since.

basically i want some controllable wash.

[Aaron]

Ah k. Yeah, Groove Ride.

[LoneStarDrummer]

i'll check it out. thanks.

i'd be nice to stay within the hhx line also. i've got a bit of a theme going.

[Aaron]

I knew that, s'why I suggested it.

[Tim]

i second the groove ride. its pure madness.

[Jabroniness]

oooh ths is a col threasd. jsut in time too i want to buy some crashes. what are some good crashes but not expensive? is there anything for like 60 bucks

[We_Love_Lime]

like...
A Zxt Trashformer.
or a ZHT Fx.

Not a whole lot.
Maybe a splash.
Or wuhan/saluda?

[Tim]

yeah dude for $60 you might wanna just hold off. save up a bit more money. its worth the wait and you end up saving more anyway because you will end up kicking yourself in the *** when you decide you wanna upgrade again.

[We_Love_Lime]

^.
And I thought my post was good.

[Tim]

it was

[We_Love_Lime]

Yeah.
I'm trying.

Yours was over the edge though.
Like
BAM!

[We_Love_Lime]

I hope you know I don't understand a word you're saying.
Therefore your comments are pointless.
And your better off keeping them to yourself.

[FL3P]

like...
A Zxt Trashformer.
or a ZHT Fx.

Not a whole lot.
Maybe a splash.
Or wuhan/saluda?

I had a transformer, should have kept it but it didnt really serve a purpose at the time. Im looking forward to the A Custom EFX, thank god I didnt buy the ZHT version yet.

[We_Love_Lime]

Yeah.
But I'm assuming there isn't much of a difference betwean the ZHT and the A Custom.

Well.
There is a difference betwean swiss cheese, and another type of cheese that has wholes in it. Probably.
So disregard what I said.

Haha nice.
I was going to get all these Remix cymbals off ebay ofr 200 for 4.
But I missed it.
It wouldn't have been wrth it either.
I have cymbals and ****, just would have been a want rather than a need.

[FL3P]

The A Custom will be brighter which I think is what I want. I guess just think of the normal characteristics of those two lines and then apply them to the EFX cymbals. At least thats the way I think of it.

[We_Love_Lime]

Good thinking.

[FL3P]

I hope it fits with my Breakbeat ride and Remix hats though cause that would suck.

[We_Love_Lime]

Dude.
even if it didn't.
You have an A Custom EFX, Breakbeat ride, and Remix hats.

You have some bitchin' cymbals.

[FL3P]

I know and Im finally getting things going in a direction where I get to you use them. This should be fun.

[byrkee]

Im looking for the crash cymbal from the band 'ambry'.
an example would be from their song 'better scene than heard'
ok thanks.

[Drum Phil]

Thats great but i doubt most people have heard of them

Plus you wont find it. Songs are heavily EQ'd

[static]

(opinions on hhx evolution crashes?)

[We_Love_Lime]

Plus you wont find it. Songs are heavily EQ'd

Why do people say this?
They want the cymbal, so that when they heavily EQ it, it'd sound identical?
I mean.. .

*Lime = smartassssss*

[Aaron]

Dude.
even if it didn't.
You have an A Custom EFX, Breakbeat ride, and Remix hats.

You have some bitchin' cymbals.
:lol: Exactly. I'd love some of those Remix hats.

[FL3P]

I wonder why they dont make them again since they seem to be leaning in that direction a little more.

[We_Love_Lime]

Idk.
Dude.
Those are Zildjians only good cymbals. The ones nobody buys, or the ones that they discontinue.

[Aaron]

I reckon they'll bring them back but part of the K Line. They seem to be redoing all the EFX stuff into the general lines.

[We_Love_Lime]

They better.
Those facists at Zildjian better cater to us individual people.

[FL3P]

The breakbeat ride was added to the A line and the EFXs were added first to the ZHT line and now the A Custom line so who really knows what Zildjian is up to.

[Aaron]

Exactly; she will be mine, oh yes, she will be mine.

[We_Love_Lime]

Yeah.
I have enough cymbals for now.
I gotta get some drums though.

[Aaron]

I bought 3 off White Riot so I will now have 19 :s

[FL3P]

Ill stick with an EFX, spending enough money on technology right now.

[We_Love_Lime]

I have....

3 crashs and 2 pairs of hats.
Yeah boi.

[Aaron]

7 splashes FTW

[FL3P]

I have an array of different cymbals, a few of which I havent even used yet.

[Aaron]

1 Bell
7 Splashes
2 Hats
3 Chinas
5 Crashes
1 Ride

[FL3P]

Let me see is I can even remember.....

3 crashes
1 crash of doom
2 rides
2 sets of hats
2 splashes
1 china
1 Zilbel
2 ribbon crashers

[We_Love_Lime]

Damn.
I try convincing myself I would rather spend money to buy talent, than gear...

It's not working:(.

[FL3P]

I thought all of that would make me sound better......dammit!

[Aaron]

:lol:

Around here there ain't too many shops, so half my gear has been leant to past students and mates who drum. My brother's drummer has half my gear most the time.

[FL3P]

That sucks. I forget about things too often so I try and not lend anything out.

[Aaron]

I don't mind, as long as they look after it and play sweet music i'm happy.

Cymbal discussion: How can I make my aux-hats meatier? I play 8"ers with a Wuhan over a B8 Pro. Would duct-tape on the b8 do it?

[Little Android Man]

do you have pics of your set Aaron, i dont believe i have ever seen it..

Edit, the B8 is so much thicker than the wuhan... i dont see how that would sound very good at all. but meatier, i would say B8 on top.

[FL3P]

I don't mind, as long as they look after it and play sweet music i'm happy.

Cymbal discussion: How can I make my aux-hats meatier? I play 8"ers with a Wuhan over a B8 Pro. Would duct-tape on the b8 do it?

I would say get a heavier bottom cymbal.

[Aaron]

Friday I will put up new pictures. My setup has been changed since my last picture update.

FL3P: I was thinking of getting an 8" Z Custom, do you know if they make them?

[Little Android Man]

i think the smallest z custom is a 12...

[FL3P]

I dont think they make Z Customs that small, they would be too clangy. Maybe an 8" Zildjian EFX#1, they are like really heavy splash cymbals if they still make them.

[Drum Phil]

Smallest z custom is in fact 12.

Smallest comparitive is 10" Meinl MB20 or Rude Splash's

I have:

2 rides
2 hats (soon to be 3)
5 crashes
2 splashes
3 chinas
1 bell

The EFX was actually in the A line for ages.

My new hats will be 12" Saluda Trad/Diamond thin hat over Mist X heavy bottom hat.

[static]

1 ride
1 hats
........

[We_Love_Lime]

W0o0ot!
Nice George.

[static]

High five!

[bobby__johnny]

ride x 1
hats x 2
crash x 3
splash x 1
chinese x 2

[Seafroggys]

ride = 1
hats = 1
splash = 1
crash = 3

[Snarz]

1 Hats
1 Crash (soon to be 2)
1 Ride

[Little Android Man]

well if we are doin this.

1 ride
1 hats
2 crash
1 splash

on order: 1 crash and 1 splash from saluda

[SparBZ]

1 Pair of Hats
3 Crashes
2 Splashes
1 China
2 Rides

[drummguy731]

2 Bells
2 Splashes
2 Chinas
3 Crashes
1 Ride
1 Hats

[lmldrummer]

1 hats
2 chinas (1 not in use now)
3 crashes
1 ride
1 splash (not in use now)

[LoneStarDrummer]

8 sticks
26 felt pads
62 washers
46 tension rods
1 pencil
1 china marker
3 toothbrushes

[A_Guy]

OK, back to cymbals. Keep in mind, I suck at describing cymbals so bear with me. I'm looking for a China that has a pretty full sound, but still kind of dry, with a decent amount of sustain.

[LoneStarDrummer]

do you want a trashy sound or a traditional sound?

low or high in pitch?

[A_Guy]

Trashy with a low pitch.

[LoneStarDrummer]

try either the 20" or 22" oriental china trash
http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/products/productDetail.ad2?catalogID=1013&typeID=13&productID=1263

http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/products/productDetail.ad2?catalogID=1013&typeID=13&productID=1265

the large sound will give it a deeper tone, while the cymbal itself is still rather trashy sounding.

[Snarz]

Heys guys what do you think of this deal?If it is a deal.

A pair of 13" Sabian Fusion hats. AA top with an HH bottom,No cracks or keyholing.$125.00?

Edit:I know this is not th eplace to talk aobut snare drums but this guy also has a 1979 5x14" B/O Ludwig Acrolite snare drum.$150?

[static]

Holy balls. Go for it.

[Tim]

Heys guys what do you think of this deal?If it is a deal.

A pair of 13" Sabian Fusion hats. AA top with an HH bottom,No cracks or keyholing.$125.00?

Edit:I know this is not th eplace to talk aobut snare drums but this guy also has a 1979 5x14" B/O Ludwig Acrolite snare drum.$150?

get those hats dude thats a steal.

[Snarz]

Is it normal that they have three holes on the bottom hat?Becasue I've seen alot of them doso im guessing yes.

And sound wise any good?

[Tim]

soudn wise they will sound excellent. the holes on the bottom are to prevent airlock and make them quicker.

[byrkee]

Im looking for the crash cymbal from the band 'ambry'.
an example would be from their song 'better scene than heard'
ok thanks.
anyone know?

[FL3P]

I listened to the song but there isnt anything special about the sound of that crash. I would suggest going to a music store and finding something that sounds similar or that you like. No need to go on a mission to find that exact crash, it sounds like a million others.

[byrkee]

oh i thought it sounded a lot better than anything i heard.

[Little Android Man]

then you havent heard a lot..

[FL3P]

It sounds good but I dont think its a sound that many cymbals couldnt give you. Im sure if you found the cymbal somewhere and hit it your first thought would be "that doesnt sound like the one on that song".

[byrkee]

ok thanks.

[FL3P]

Do you know what brand he uses?

[byrkee]

well i watched a couple of their live performances, and his cymbals had a big Z on it, so im guessing its zidjilan(spelling?),even though it doesnt have the usual written out label on it.

[FL3P]

Those would be Z Customs then and thats probably not what he used in the studio nor what you would want to use at home or for smaller venues.

[byrkee]

oh.

[ant_182]

You might like the Z Customs. Try them out :) I really didn't want to try the Z crash out. But I did and loved it!


-Ant-

[Stickman Sam]

Righty-O, finally saved up some cash, so I'm gonna upgrade my cymbals. After a cursory glance at the available options, my first impression was to go XS20 - The performance set and also the splash/chinese set. I've only played a crash from the set, but it was a nice little thing.

Anyone who has these cymbals, comments?

Now for the reason this is in the cymbal finder thread:

Hats - A bit dry, fast, light
Ride - I don't want much sustain; main things are a cutting, kinda industrial bell sound and a low decay time.
Crash - Short decay, but cutting, and something that sounds good at medium-high volumes.

Any suggestions?

~~

EDIT: I have about £550 available to me, but am looking to put £150 of that towards new snare drum.

[herostyle]

I have the 10" splash. It sounds great for the price. I recommend getting it.

[gimp fest]

hi, i can't decide between these crashes:

16" A custom med and 18" 2002 full
16" full and 17" A custom med.

anyone?

[Snarz]

16" A Custom Medium.

[Seafroggys]

the 18" 2002 Full.

[ant_182]

16 is toooo small :P 17" A Custom Med. 18" 2002 full


-Ant-

[stevensonmat2]

Size doesn't matter, sound does. The 16" has a great tone imo. You can hear the cymbal say "crassssshhh".

[Little Android Man]

id go 17". i like the sound better than the 16"

[DW_]

I need a new crash that will go decently with a 19'' Sabian AAX dark crash. Something generally for harder stuff, but still versatile. Thanks

[Tim]

18inch AAX stage crash?

[ant_182]

Yes, size does matter. I prefer the sound of larger crashes(that I've heard) :) I might get a smaller K Custom or A Custom later though


-Ant-

[stevensonmat2]

I guess that was kind of a dumb thining to say in retrospekt :P

[byrkee]

You might like the Z Customs. Try them out :) I really didn't want to try the Z crash out. But I did and loved it!


-Ant-

link please.

[Pearldrumguy]

a custom 14" hats or k hats? i want a good sound for the chick, and over all. I play all style and want a good sound for all situations. Other suggestions are also welcome.

[drummguy731]

K's

Link: http://zildjian.com/EN-US/home.ad2

[byrkee]

i meant like a link to a sound sample of the z custom.

[drummguy731]

It's called a lil effort, geez.

http://zildjian.com/en-US/products/default.ad2?catalogID=1012

Now find what you want from there.

[byrkee]

oh, i got to those pages and everything, but i didnt find the sound sample part off to the side, but i just found it, ok thanks.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Hey there. I'm looking for a 2nd crash for my drum kit. It's a Mapex Pro M 22/10/12/14 with 12" snare, and the cymbals I have already are 13" A custom mastersound hats, 17" A custom projection crash, 20" K custom dry ride. I also have a 16" Stagg medium crash, but I want to get a better one. Ideally a bit less powerful and shorter decay (less sustain) than the projection crash, with a different sound that fits but is also fairly contrasting (higher or lower in pitch). So far I have looked on the Sabian website to get an idea of what is out there sound-wise, and briefly I have considered the following:

AAX - 16" dark, 15"/16" studio, 16" stage
AA - 16" sound control, 17" fast.

I play in a rock band, so it has to be loud (etc) enough to be heard and sound good in rock, but any cymbal has to be versatile enough to play in other styles as my band isn't all that serious and it's not going to be around forever, so good for playing alone too, hence not having a bigger crash as the 17" projection is rather powerful indeed.

Also, I don't want anything too thin that is going to break easily as although I take care I sometimes hit fairly hard (+ my brother can be a bit of a noob when playing my drums + hits them very hard, so I've put my current crashes at really slanted angles that are a bit awkward for me to play otherwise he hits the edges).


Secondly, I'm thinking of a 2nd ride or crash/ride, as the K custom dry ride is sex and great for grooving but it isn't very loud, has little wash, can't easily be crashed to build wash&volume, and has dark&low over/undertones that mean it doesn't cut through very well. So I was thinking about something with a little less wash than a 21 A sweet ride, possibly a 20 or 22 A custom/A ride/medium ride, or a K custom 'normal' ride, with wash&some crashing ability (inc. using the side of the stick on the body of the ride) but also stick definition and definitely louder than than what I already have.


Although all my (decent) cymbals are currently Zildjian, I don't have a preference for brands at all. Sabian AA/X are cheaper than A&K/custom, but about £20 or £30 but I'd always go for sound rather than price if I'm spending over £100 anyway. Though I did rule out HH etc as they're damn expensive.

I also have a Meinl Classics 20" ping ride, but no stand for it - so any ride would have to be preferable to that.


Thank you in advance for your helpful advice and for taking time to help fellow drummers. :) (++rep as an incentive for good advice).

[Zildjian]

You sir want A customs or 2oo2's for the crash

and Avedis 20" Medium for that good crash and good ride

[FL3P]

AS far as Zildjian stuff goes I would say a 16" regular A Custom crash would do. It would be a higher pitch with a shorter sustain but being an A Custom it will still be durable and cut through.

[Snarz]

Anybody got any opinions on the 16" A Custom Fast Crash and Medium Crash?

[static]

I played a Fast Crash yesterday. Pretty good, sounds really nice with a full kit.



Very versatile. Very bright.

[FL3P]

The fast crashes are nice, pretty much like the regulars without the sustain. I always find the medium crashes hard to describe but they fit right in between the regular and the projection. I found them to have a unique tone that you have to hear for yourself.

[ant_182]

link please.
No, try them yourself. The cymbal sound clips don't do cymbals justice IMO


-Ant-

[FL3P]

I find the sound clips to be a good tool if you have something to compare, ie. If you have a 16" A Custom crash and want to know how it compares to a 16" K Custom crash. Listening to the clips without a reference can be kind of pointless.

[ant_182]

Fair post ^^^
I like the sound of Oriental Trashes. And now I don't know what to get.
16" or 18"? The 16" is cheaper, and there's a second hand one cheap
The 18" is cheap (£147 inc. postage) and brandnew.
After that I'm after a crash. Sould I get another 19" Z Cust. Med? I love it, but then what about another sound? Because, I havmt the time to go to my music store that would let me compare it :(


-Ant-

[Drum Phil]

Get the A Custom. 2 heavy crashes is far too much IMO. I dont even use heavy crashes and one medium thin is enough for me.

[byrkee]

i dont know of any stores around my area that allow open drumset use in the store.

[Drum Phil]

Then they're lame.

[Seafroggys]

i dont know of any stores around my area that allow open drumset use in the store.

tell them you won't buy anything unless you try it out.