*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[Inkstar]

Yo, I think I'm getting a new cymbal off my mate, who's got an HH or HHX (he doesn't know, because the markings have been taken off) but he does know it's a Sabian HH or HHX 16" crash. I can either get it for $80AU, or probably for free if I give him my xbox and games (which I never use). Deal? Methinksso.

He says it projects insanely good, very loud.

Oh, and he also says it's very thick. Any ideas what it could be?

[Plan B.]

I'd put money on HHX if it's got da projectione!

[Kayne815]

AAX Stage Hats are awesome.

so Coca, (i know this may be a biased opinion) but how much do u like the stage hats? are they good for rock genres? and u think they're worth the money?

[Cocaberry]

so Coca, (i know this may be a biased opinion) but how much do u like the stage hats? are they good for rock genres? and u think they're worth the money?

I LOVE the Stage Hats. I play rock and they sound great wide open. Awesome sound half-open and closed too. Closed with some shoulder is great. Closed using the tip is great too, really nice and articulate.

Only thing about the Stage Hats that I can do without is the fact that the sound can get "tinny" if they're opened too wide. Maybe it's because they're so bright and all bright hats might do that but just for that reason, I try not to open them past a certain point. Still, that point is a little further than what is necessary for most situations anyway.

I don't really like the AA Regular Hats. The Stage Hats are the AAX equivalent of the AA Regular hats. In my opinion, the AA Regulars are just too bland. The Stages have more "life" to them.


There are numerous people on these boards who are very satisfied with their Stage Hats. Honestly, I can't really think of anyone here who has the AA Regular hats and/or actually likes them.

As for the Vaults, I'd say the AA Regulars are better than the Vaults. I really don't care for the Vaults that much. They have this "cheap" sound to them, as if they're more towards beginner cymbals than professional cymbals. AA regulars, while being a bit bland, still sound professional.


You really should try these out for yourself again. Put them side by side and listen to each one. Try all the possibilities, wide open, half-open, closed with shoulder, closed with tip, hi-hat chicks, splashes, etc... You're the one who's gonna have to listen to them daily and it's really important to get what you like the best.

[static]

Try the Paragons.


And that crash is definitely an HH. HHs tend to be much thicker, while HHXs tend to be very thin.

[eisle89]

I was led to the Stage Hats by the members on this thread and I really appreciate it. You will not go wrong buying these hats.

[Kayne815]

I LOVE the Stage Hats. I play rock and they sound great wide open. Awesome sound half-open and closed too. Closed with some shoulder is great. Closed using the tip is great too, really nice and articulate.

Only thing about the Stage Hats that I can do without is the fact that the sound can get "tinny" if they're opened too wide. Maybe it's because they're so bright and all bright hats might do that but just for that reason, I try not to open them past a certain point. Still, that point is a little further than what is necessary for most situations anyway.

I don't really like the AA Regular Hats. The Stage Hats are the AAX equivalent of the AA Regular hats. In my opinion, the AA Regulars are just too bland. The Stages have more "life" to them.


There are numerous people on these boards who are very satisfied with their Stage Hats. Honestly, I can't really think of anyone here who has the AA Regular hats and/or actually likes them.

As for the Vaults, I'd say the AA Regulars are better than the Vaults. I really don't care for the Vaults that much. They have this "cheap" sound to them, as if they're more towards beginner cymbals than professional cymbals. AA regulars, while being a bit bland, still sound professional.


You really should try these out for yourself again. Put them side by side and listen to each one. Try all the possibilities, wide open, half-open, closed with shoulder, closed with tip, hi-hat chicks, splashes, etc... You're the one who's gonna have to listen to them daily and it's really important to get what you like the best.

Ok thanks Coca for all the info. This is actually really sweet because the only music store in town that sells decent hats has the AAX stage hats on sale i think, plus they've got god knows how many pairs. I tried them out a while ago and compared them to the vaults (the Vaults were blown outta the water). But i could try out all of the possiblilities because they had this weird clutch that u could only change how far the hats were opened with a drum key (which i was without), so this week im gonna go in with a key for another go and try all the possibilities.

thanks a lot man.

[static]

Crash, preferably 17". Brand doesn't matter. Not bright, but not dark, but leaning more towards dark. Medium decay, medium thin/thin, but not paper thin.

[HeLLmO]

K Medium Thin Dark Crash

[drummguy731]

hmm, K Custom Hybrid is a really excellent crash in that size, it fits the description perfectly

[spirit]

K Custom Dark Crash

Perfect. I know, I have it.

[krazydrummer121]

im looking for a nice set pack ( hi-hat,1-2 crashes,a ride). i want something that goes with rock,hard rock, metal perferabily... do you think you guys can help me out? thanks in advance

[Cocaberry]

AAX Stage Pack...

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sabian-AAX-Stage-Performance-Pack-with-Cymbal-Bag?sku=440136

I have the hats and the ride and they're awesome. You might want a pingier ride though if you play metal. The Stage Ride is pretty washy.

[drummguy731]

A custom pack

[Sunshine]

Hats, crash(es), and ride(s).
Other cymbals optional and secondary (if they fit with the style o' music).
Extremely bright.
Think dance music.

Packs are fine as are individual cymbals.

Brand mixing = totally cool.

Preferably not pieces of crap, but I figure that's a given.

Just thinking for now, the actual purchase is a good ways off.

[static]

Paragons/A Customs?

[FL3P]

Vault/ A Custom

[Aaron]

Small sized As

[Sunshine]

Cool thanks~
I'll remember that.

[LoneStarDrummer]

paragons have bright sounding crashes, especially the 16", but i'd go with the a series. the have nice hats, crashes and rides

[Sunshine]

So A's are pretty much what I'm looking at?

Thanks muchly you guys~

[Drum Phil]

If you can find them:

Avedis Platinums.

[LoneStarDrummer]

good luck finding those. i've never come across them, nor has anyone i know.

[Drum Phil]

*whistles*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/rancid_punk/Kit422.jpg

I did. Its dirty though

[LoneStarDrummer]

damn. nice man. i've never gotten to chance to play on any a platinums.

[Drum Phil]

Best. Ride. Ever.

[stevensonmat2]

That ride phil has looks alot like the cymbals a friend of mine's dad has, he has 2 crashes, a splash, hats and a ride. He doesnt play much anymore, Im going to try and get the whole kit from him. (the kit is a vintage gretsch, he bought it in the 70's and even then it was a vintage.)

[Seafroggys]

;13731058']good luck finding those. i've never come across them, nor has anyone i know.

hehe, my high school's set had a pair of Platinum New Beats.

The rest is history.

[LoneStarDrummer]

i'd imagine you'd love those. you seem rather passionate about the new beats lol and i've heard the platinums are nice, but i've never even heard them.

[Seafroggys]

heh, those were the cymbals that made me fall in love with New Beats. Best sounding cymbals I've ever heard/played. My pair has nothing on these.

[Aaron]

No one cares if you like new beats or not, we're all sick of hearing it. quit being lame and only say things that are useful.

[LoneStarDrummer]

heh, those were the cymbals that made me fall in love with New Beats. Best sounding cymbals I've ever heard/played. My pair has nothing on these.

buy some silver spray paint, paint your's and do the 'ol swap-a-roo. no one will ever know.

[Seafroggys]

No one cares if you like new beats or not, we're all sick of hearing it. quit being lame and only say things that are useful.

quit saying useful things? Okay...

I don't know what your problem is. I can understand this response to my posts where I just reply with "New Beats" but we were on the subject of Platinum Zildjians, and I talked about my experience with them, that experience being me playing on my school's set of New Beats, and because I loved those cymbals so much I, in turn, loved them in general.

So shut the **** up.

[Denny]

I found a brand new 22" A custom ping ride for $200.
Could someone tell me a little about it? Anything at all.
I think I may have tried one once and liked it, but I cant remember and I don't want to pass up the deal. Maybe if somebody describes it I can remember.

[Seafroggys]

Not too sure on that A Custom, but I have a regular A 22" Ping Ride and its bloody awesome.

[Denny]

I've also found an awesome deal on a 20in A custom projection ride. I want to use it for Church, but also use it for harder music as well. Is there any wash? I just assume its a thick cymbal. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

[drummguy731]

^^It's a heavy cymbal, it's got some undertones, so probably a little wash, but not much

[Drum Phil]

Projection ride:

http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/products/productDetail.ad2?catalogID=1010&typeID=9&productID=1063

[Denny]

Thanks, but that link didn't work, and besides, I was looking for a personal experience. If anybody has one, let me know. Thanks again.

[Tom22]

Hello
Im looking for a nice versatile ride, mainly for rock/ funk
Id like it to have a fair bit of volume, but not too over bearing. I dont reeally know much about cymbals as there are literally no music shops in my area that sell decent cymbals. So help would be nice :) Thanks.

[ludvista29]

HHX Groove Ride?
22 A Med Ride?

[Drum Phil]

20" HH Rock ride (the name gives it a bad reputation IMO as its a lot warmer than any other rock ride)
21" HH/AA Raw bell dry ride?
20" K heavy ride?

[the_pure_drummer]

I want maybe a new pair of hats after christmas,

Warm sounding chick, nice and sharp, i was maybe thinking 13" k darks but im not sure.help!

[Tom22]

in response to the suggestion i got - thanks
one thing though, they are all a bit on the expensive side, Could you suggest anythingf or about £150? Sorry for not mentioning this earlier.
Cheers

[Inkstar]

eBay is your friend, Tom. :)

[drumtoke]

Im looking for a ride that has a nice bell, and a crashy but smooth sound (if that makes sense). It would be used to play speed metal.

[Sabian4015]

I want maybe a new pair of hats after christmas,

Warm sounding chick, nice and sharp, i was maybe thinking 13" k darks but im not sure.help!

Those hats are awesome!

My church has some, and they are good stuff let me tell you.

Honestly though I would get some 14 inchers but either way it's good stuff.

[saars]

Hello
Im looking for a nice versatile ride, mainly for rock/ funk
Id like it to have a fair bit of volume, but not too over bearing. I dont reeally know much about cymbals as there are literally no music shops in my area that sell decent cymbals. So help would be nice :) Thanks.

21" a sweet ride:thumb:

[spirit]

Hello
Im looking for a nice versatile ride, mainly for rock/ funk
Id like it to have a fair bit of volume, but not too over bearing. I dont reeally know much about cymbals as there are literally no music shops in my area that sell decent cymbals. So help would be nice :) Thanks.

AA/HH Raw Bell Dry Ride.

I <3 my ride.

[We_Love_Lime]

New Beats.

[Snarz]

I'm looking for a nice versatile ride.It has to have nice clean stick definition but with a bright bell.It can't be too loud but not too quiet...

[drummguy731]

K Heavy or K Hybrid rides

[Aaron]

HHX Stage or Groove

[Snarz]

I was thinking of the Groove ride...

[Aaron]

Do it! It's got articulation, alittle wash and alot of nice tone.

[Used666]

Im not sure that its practical to sift through over 200 pages here so ill ask as to what you guys might suggest for :

Hats
Ride
Crash

Need them to be versatile and i have a budget of about $300 US

[drummguy731]

A nice pair of hats will set you back around 300 man, but
Hats: K Session or K Hybrid
Crash: A Custom
Ride: K Session or K Heavy Dry

[Used666]

O i totally understand man, just looking for decent stuff, i dont need super high end as it really is just a random hobby of mine, my main interest is guitar, so im really just looking for cymbals that are better then the pulse ones my set came with, i was thinking sabian b8's??

[drummguy731]

Yeah, I'd check out some Paiste cymbals, I heard they're pretty good low end cymbals

[Aaron]

Wuhans for sure. Pick them by hand and you'll be set.

[Inkstar]

Yep Wuhan's are fantastic for the price. Insanely fantastic infact.

[Inkstar]

Alright, I got a cymbal here, and I'm getting it off my mate. It's had it's stamps removed but he tells me it's a Sabian and it's hand hammered, but he's not sure what model. Very thick, very loud, apparentely. Here are some pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/Rynn/DSC00064.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v400/Rynn/DSC00066.jpg

Anyone know what model it is? Aaron thinks it could be a Power crash. Oh yeah, it's a crash and is 16".

[Drum Phil]

I'd say its a HH Rock Crash

[Little Android Man]

Lookin to get a new crash

My current set up is a paragon set (14" hats/ 16" crash/ 22" ride) and a crappy 12" wuhan splash lol. I love my cymbals, but I am not crazy about my crash sometimes, but it depends on the type of music im playing, mostly when im playing metal. I was definately looking into some zildjians, to expand my brand horizons. I was definately looking into the K/K custom series, but any suggestions?

[drummguy731]

K's really are meant for the exact opposite of metal, jazz. i'd look into the AAX metal cymbals
Edit: on the other hand, I'd suggest trying the K's out though, you may love them

[Little Android Man]

any other opinions?

im still set on a zildjian

[drummguy731]

Well, Z customs maybe, if you really want a metal sound, or A customs

[HeLLmO]

A Customs, but i would still check out the Ks, and stay away from the Zs

[Jeff]

zs suck. go with a or a customs.

[drummguy731]

yeah, Z's do suck, go with A customs

[Jred250]

Ok, a random question. I purchased an 18'' Meinl Classic China Cymbal. It sounds terrible. Is there a certain way to play a china cymbal, or a certain way to mount it on the stand. Or is it just a terrible cymbal in general!

[drummguy731]

I'd play it inverted, with the "Bottom" side, the side without the type of cymbal labeled on it, up. The "bell" of the china facing down, that's how I've always played 'em. I've heard a uninverted china before and I hated it

[Inkstar]

Yeah most drummers play China's inverted, I believe that's how they're meant to be played.

It's hard with Wuhan though, cause the bell actually like sticks out so far, so when you mount it inverted it's really wobbly and hard to put the wingnut down without scratched the inside of the bell.. anyone got a solution?

[drummguy731]

umm, on top of the tama roadpro stands, the nut that's on the stand is no bigger in diameter than the felt, that should fit into the bell quite nicely

[Little Android Man]

ive learned enough from these forums in a year enough to stay away from anything zildjian with a "z" in the label.

so a customs sound like a good option too. thnx guys =)

[Jeff]

jred you shouldve played the china before you bought it.

[Inkstar]

Ok, a random question. I purchased an 18'' Meinl Classic China Cymbal. It sounds terrible. Is there a certain way to play a china cymbal, or a certain way to mount it on the stand. Or is it just a terrible cymbal in general!

You'll learn to love it. First time you hear a china, you think it sounds crap, but once it's used correctly and mixed in with the rest of your drumming, it'll be fantastic. :)

[groooven_is_fun]

Hi
Im probably gonna buy a kit that comes with paiste 201 bronze cymbals. are these good? thanks

[Jred250]

jred you shouldve played the china before you bought it.

I was actually in a pub in my local town, and there was a Megadeth Tribute band playing. I noticed that his china sounded awesome so I wen't up and took a look, it was the Meinl Classic 18'' China. I listened to it on Meinl's website just to double check, and it sounded alike the one I had heard in the pub so I purchased one off e-bay. Brand new for £91 (I am told this is a good price) Thanks for the advice everyone. I have noticed alot of bands on TV tend to have there china cymbal either mounted on there right, with a rather steep angle on it. Or... They have a boom stand sticking out at a right angle and mount it in the upside-down stand. I may try this with mine.

Edit: This Is the way I play it, and how it is now mounted. This seems to get the best sound out of the China. Just to let you guys know, It may be worth trying yours like that (If you have one)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/LarsAgi007/ward43140.jpg

Also, I have just got myself a bargain! I have just paid £149 for...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/LarsAgi007/15d2_1.jpg

They are as follows:

Meinl Classic: 20'' Flat Ride (Normally approx £140)
Meinl Classic: 17'' Medium Crash (Normally approx £110)
Meinl Classic: 14'' Hi-Hats (Normally Approx £140)

That approx prices were how much the cymbals above were in two of my local drum stores. So for £149 I think they are pretty much a bargain. My current hats I am using are Zildjian ZBT's, Would you say these Meinl Classic: 14'' Hi-Hats Will create a better sound? As I am either selling the Meinl Hats or Zildjian Hats, for the obvious reason of needing only 1 pair of hats!
I am going to pay the guy for the cymbals on the 29th December (Payday) So if the Meinls are better I can sell my zildjians nearer to the time.

So My kit's cymbal specs (Options) are now:

Meinl Classic: 20'' Flat Ride
Meinl Classic: 14'' Medium Crash
Meinl Classic: 17'' Medium Crash
Meinl Classic: 14'' Hi-Hats
Meinl Classic: 10'' Splash
Meinl Classic: 12'' Splash
Meinl Classic: 18'' China
Paiste 101: 12'' Splash
Paiste 101: 14'' Crash
Paiste 101: 16'' Crash
Paiste 101: 18'' Crash/Ride
Zildjian ZBT: 14'' Hi-Hats
Stagg: 8'' Mini Splash
Stagg: 10'' Mini China

So when I get my new cymbals through, its a case of seeing which are my favourites, what cymbals I need and where. And then sell any unwanted/Un-Needed cymbals on E-Bay!

[Drum Phil]

That boom stand wont hold the china like that.

I had one collapse on me once.

[Jred250]

That boom stand wont hold the china like that.

I had one collapse on me once.

Yes, it is one of my lower line boom stands. I am going to need 7 more Boom Stands to mount my new cymbals on. I have a connection who does me quality gear at a good price. I asked him how much he can do me 7 Solid Boom stands for. He said:

7 Mapex pro Boom Stands £120
7 Stagg Boom Stands £60 (They are thicker than the Mapex)

I think I will go with the Mapex though. Obviously thickness isn't everything. Look at a section of your boom stand, and compare it to a section of a coke can. The can may be thicker, the boom stand is alot stronger.

[Drum Phil]

If they're the stagg 1000 series, i use them. Go with them.

[maniac0796]

thin hi hats, like, from medium to thin.

Any suggestions. Only ones i can find are istanbul med's

[Randy_Orton1]

Anyone have any experience with Sabian AA 20" Crash/Ride ?? Does it sound like the Zildjian K 20" Crash/Ride?

[twopelu]

I wanted to ask if you think Sabian XS20 are well suited cymbals for pop music... the thing is that I want to upgrade my set and I can afford a complete XS20 set. Any opinion? thx!

P.S. I hope this was the correct place for my question.

[Panopticon]

I wanted to ask if you think Sabian XS20 are well suited cymbals for pop music... the thing is that I want to upgrade my set and I can afford a complete XS20 set. Any opinion? thx!

P.S. I hope this was the correct place for my question.

they are great cymbals for the price but you can get better

[Inkstar]

Hi
Im probably gonna buy a kit that comes with paiste 201 bronze cymbals. are these good? thanks

They're low end cymbals, if it's your first kit and you're just starting out then they'll be fine. :)

[AlexPlaysDrums]

Hey im looking for some new hi hats. The sound i really want is a fusion between the following bands.
Blink 182(The fallen interlude)
Saosin
And Bayside.

I guess what im looking for is when i close them they get a nice loud chick sound. And doing open hits a nice blending tone, mainly like the guy from bayside.

[drummguy731]

thin hi hats, like, from medium to thin.

Any suggestions. Only ones i can find are istanbul med's

K Hybrids are thin, and they're awesome!!!!

[HeLLmO]

Hey im looking for some new hi hats. The sound i really want is a fusion between the following bands.
Blink 182(The fallen interlude)
Saosin
And Bayside.

I guess what im looking for is when i close them they get a nice loud chick sound. And doing open hits a nice blending tone, mainly like the guy from bayside.

get A Customs, but NOT the mastersounds

[Inkstar]

A Mastersounds > Custom Mastersounds

[AlexPlaysDrums]

Wait so which ones?

[Inkstar]

I don't know what he's saying, but I'd recommend New Beats or Mastersounds.

[Brokensticks]

He means A Mastersounds before Custom Mastersounds.

[Inkstar]

Good. gg.

[twopelu]

they are great cymbals for the price but you can get better

Surely I could get better ones but what about in that price range and suited for pop music? 300-400 euros, not more.

(Ive found a XS20 set which includes crash 16, crash 18, ride 20 and hihat 14 for 350 euros, its somewhat a bargain!).

[the_pure_drummer]

Please could someone tell me the meinl comparisons to the sabian lines?

Im gona be buying a splash soon and meinl have 40% off instore so im going for a meinl probably, and id just like to know not what to buy!

Cheers in advance!

[Drum Phil]

So i wish to go for one of the following:

18" Paiste Rude thin crash
18" Z Custom China
18" A Custom crash
19" AAXtreme China

Cast votes now.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

The rude.

but get the Crash/ride instead. it's amazing i have the 17"

[Snarz]

Please could someone tell me the meinl comparisons to the sabian lines?



I'd like to these too.

[Drum Phil]

The rude.

but get the Crash/ride instead. it's amazing i have the 17"

No.

I dislike heavy cymbals.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Fair enough. still go for the rude. they are good cymbals

[DrummingNinja]

Any thoughts on what cymbals are the most complex?

Also I heard that some drummers back in the day used to bury their cymbals for a week or two when they bought them new, to age them? How does it affect the sound?

[Zildjian]

I think K hybrids are the most complex. When you hit them there bright and loud, then the overtones are dark. ITs an amaizing cymbal

And I dont know about burying cymbals. Id try it but its snowing and I dont have a coat :/

[raz0r]

Any thoughts on what cymbals are the most complex?

Also I heard that some drummers back in the day used to bury their cymbals for a week or two when they bought them new, to age them? How does it affect the sound?

Burying cymbals would only make a difference if you buried them for at least 6 months, at the very least.
In short, it's not worth it.

[drummguy731]

That's just like when drummers take sand paper to brand new coated heads, it'll make it sound a little more aged, but definately not as much as playing them to get them aged

[Aaron]

19" AAXtreme China
this

[Tim]

this

i second this.










in all seriousness that thing is awesome. I believe Jojo uses it as well.

[HeLLmO]

I don't know what he's saying, but I'd recommend New Beats or Mastersounds.

i'm sayin' regular A Custom hats own the A Custom mastersounds


but in all seriousness, quick beats own mostly every other set of hi hats in the zildjian cymbal collection IMO

[A_Guy]

Ok, so I need to buy a new crash, and I'm going for a darker one that would be used to ride occasionaly (a la Kyuss). I'm looking at a 17" K Custom Dark Crash. Good choice?

[drummguy731]

OOOOO, nice cymbal man! Those things are sooo nice

[Inkstar]

Yep, K Dark Crash's are fantastic.

[Snarz]

I'd like to these too.

...

[Jred250]

Has anyone heard the new Meinl MCS series. They currently only have 3 cymbals in that series. Which can only be obtained in there box set.
I have been offered a Meinl MCS 20'' ride for £60 from one of my e-bay sellers. He recently sold me a Meinl Classic 18'' China. He said he is getting new cymbals for christmas and will no longer need it. Apparantly he has not used it as he has a Meinl Classic Flat ride 20'' also. In which is not for sale.

I have listened the the Meinl MCS 20'' Ride on the Meinl website. It sounds pingy with medium sustain. It sound quite heavy also. But they don't always sound as they do on the website. I know its made from B8 alloy also.

Any thoughts or opinions on this will be much appreciated.


This is the description of the MCS series box.

The new MCS CYMBAL SET-UP contains a 14" medium hihat, a 16" medium crash and a 20" medium ride. All specially harmonically matched for the most musical sound. Ready to rock right out of the box.

[A_Guy]

Yep, K Dark Crash's are fantastic.
Good to ride on?

[Drum Phil]

I thought MCS were brass.

I know they're beginner cymbals though, i wouldnt bother.

[Jred250]

I thought MCS were brass.

I know they're beginner cymbals though, i wouldnt bother.

Definatly B8 alloy but as they are beginner cymbals they are probably poor sound quality.

[Little Android Man]

i find it funny how Zildjian is a walking K hybrid billboard.. lol

im definately looking into a k hybrid crash after all this publicity hes given it.

[Inkstar]

Just ordered an 18" HH Medium crash. Pwn.

[Drum Phil]

Yuck.

[static]

Yum.

[DrumIntoTheNight]

Hey up guys, I'm looking for a new ride cymbal, I'm currently coping with a Pearl 20" ride, which is awful.

I'm looking for an all rounder I guess, but I definately play more rock than anything else, and some metal too. I was looking at the K Custom Hybrid Ride, it sounds awesome (as far as I can tell from the Zildjian website), but would it be powerful/cutting enough for hard rock music? If not, can you recommend me something different?

Cheers guys.

[HeLLmO]

the K Custom Hybrid is everything and nothing, the alpha and the omega. black and white. yin and yang. chocolate and peanut butter.

[Inkstar]

Lemon and LIME.

[We_Love_Lime]

You rang?

[Inkstar]

Maybe. You woke up?

[FL3P]

the K Custom Hybrid is everything and nothing, the alpha and the omega. black and white. yin and yang. chocolate and peanut butter.

Mine sure doesn't taste like either chocolate or peanut butter.

[DrumIntoTheNight]

Lol, thanks for all the helpful replies guys

[HeLLmO]

Mine sure doesn't taste like either chocolate or peanut butter.

i haven't gotten mine yet, so i can't comment on that

[FL3P]

Just trust me, don't eat them.

[We_Love_Lime]

Maybe. You woke up?

Unfortunately.

[Seafroggys]

Hey up guys, I'm looking for a new ride cymbal, I'm currently coping with a Pearl 20" ride, which is awful.

I'm looking for an all rounder I guess, but I definately play more rock than anything else, and some metal too. I was looking at the K Custom Hybrid Ride, it sounds awesome (as far as I can tell from the Zildjian website), but would it be powerful/cutting enough for hard rock music? If not, can you recommend me something different?

Cheers guys.

Also check out some of the A lines, such as the Medium and Ping Rides.

[wes_jett2008]

Hey guys...How are the paiste 201 crashes???? I just need some decent cymbals for my practice kit.

[Inkstar]

Yeah they should do fine.. or 502's.

[Aaron]

They're not the best, but for a practice kit they're perfect.

[wes_jett2008]

Cool,I might get them then....Right now I use the kit for jamming with a friend and my step bro..They are learning so I just need somthing that will work.

[CombatWombat3]

Hey there...

I found a GREAT deal on a paiste 20" dry ride, and I'm wondering if there are any opinions on it here. I've heard some sound clips and I've read some reviews, and I'm worried it's a little too pingy for my taste. Anyone have first-hand experience with it? I like stick definition, but not like you're hitting an anvil. A nice balance with a lean towards ping would be ideal. Anyway, should I go for it? I can pick it up for 130, it's 340 on musiciansfriend.

[Druumer89]

What are your opinions on sweet rides?

[Seafroggys]

What are your opinions on sweet rides?

Ive heard they make great crashes but way too washy as rides. I played one in a studio once, thought it was okay but I much preferred the 20" K Ride.

[Tim]

sweet rides are pretty nice. the bell isnt big or anything but it puts out an alright sound.

[CombatWombat3]

Ive heard they make great crashes but way too washy as rides. I played one in a studio once, thought it was okay but I much preferred the 20" K Ride.

I love the 20" K ride's bell.

[Aaron]

Hey there...

I found a GREAT deal on a paiste 20" dry ride, and I'm wondering if there are any opinions on it here. I've heard some sound clips and I've read some reviews, and I'm worried it's a little too pingy for my taste. Anyone have first-hand experience with it? I like stick definition, but not like you're hitting an anvil. A nice balance with a lean towards ping would be ideal. Anyway, should I go for it? I can pick it up for 130, it's 340 on musiciansfriend.
Yes, good deal.

[Druumer89]

Ive heard they make great crashes but way too washy as rides. I played one in a studio once, thought it was okay but I much preferred the 20" K Ride.

I thought about getting it one ..mainly for the use of a crash, because ive heard that before also. Also, are thier any other rides in that price range that any one would suggest. That arent so washy as the sweet "crash"

[Aaron]

The Avedis 20" medium is a great all-rounder. Ages really well too.

[Druumer89]

Ah..yes my drumming freind has that ride. When he first got it he cleaned it wiht the wrong kind of cleaner, so now its just a mold green color.

[static]

20" K Rides rule.


I have one. :)

[no propellers]

whats a good jazz ride? one that sounds real nice paired with some brushes.

and a set of high-hats that sound real smooth with crescendos.

[drummguy731]

K Hybrids are great for that stuff!

[fishbulb]

I've been hearing nothing but good things about these k hybrids, i gotta check some sound samples out.

[destroyer of senses]

iI just got some a cus. hats for Christmas and when i started to play them I didn't really like there sound... so I thinking I might trade them for something in the shop but I don’t really no what exact sound I’m looking for with hi-hats. I play metal but I want versatile hats that I can you for funk and other styles. Any suggestions?

[Daven]

So since i have been without a job for ages and im in need of new cymbals, i had to buy a crappy ZXT pro pack. Im wondering how long can these last if i play metal, and my technique is decent?

[ludvista29]

iI just got some a cus. hats for Christmas and when i started to play them I didn't really like there sound... so I thinking I might trade them for something in the shop but I don’t really no what exact sound I’m looking for with hi-hats. I play metal but I want versatile hats that I can you for funk and other styles. Any suggestions?
14 K hats, or 15

[little_drummer_boy1]

what would be comparable paiste cymbals to sabian paragons?

[Drum Phil]

Paiste and sabian are not comparable. Especially seeing as the paragon line is a custom signature line for Neil Peart.

[paraply]

Hey, I need a new ride, but I'm not sure which one. I want it to be powerful and "clangy", and also with a good ping sound. I play metal. Zildjian would be preferred.

[Little Android Man]

what would be comparable paiste cymbals to sabian paragons?

paragons are beast, but thats just me =)

and, there are a lot of paistes.. more specific?

[little_drummer_boy1]

phil, i ment what sounded similar, for instance i own a zildjian k custom ride and i also own a sabian hh raw bell dry ride, they sound exactly the same.

i was t just asking anyone who was famaliar with the paragons and paiste and if there was anything similar

[little_drummer_boy1]

ledzeppelin, i wish i could be more specific but i dont know, that what im asking for, but im thinking about signatures (especially full crash), although they dont seem as controlable, less mellow, too much wash, what do you think?

also, im looking especially for crashes, sorry i forgot to mention

[iamjoe2]

im looking to buy a wuhan china cause there cheap.

im looking for a good trashy semi dark sound which size should i buy or do yall recomend for a rock- classic rock set up

[iamjoe2]

also thought i might post this here sice its kind of like a cymbal, what kind of cowbell do yall recomend for a throatly rock bell? help appreciated

[little_drummer_boy1]

ledzeppelin, i wish i could be more specific but i dont know, that what im asking for, but im thinking about signatures (especially full crash), although they dont seem as controlable, less mellow, too much wash, what do you think?

also, im looking especially for crashes, sorry i forgot to mention

[Drum Phil]

phil, i ment what sounded similar, for instance i own a zildjian k custom ride and i also own a sabian hh raw bell dry ride, they sound exactly the same.

i was t just asking anyone who was famaliar with the paragons and paiste and if there was anything similar

Paiste are completely different. There isnt a comparable line.

[little_drummer_boy1]

phil, surely there must be at least one similar sound, even if the lines arent comparible

try the paragon crash and paiste signature full crash, they are sort of similar, but i wish someone could help me find a better match

[Drum Phil]

Paiste cymbals are cleaner sounding than anything sabian or zildjian produce (minus possibly the A Customs)

Paiste are unique, if you want a paragon, buy a bastard paragon.

[iamjoe2]

guess no one cares bout me

[drummguy731]

9.5" Zil Bel
Wuhan Cymbals are ok, as long as you have good technique it should be fine

[iamjoe2]

thanks bro how is it on the jolly green isle?

which size do you recomend on china?

[drummguy731]

O, I'd go 18", it's a bit chilly over here, definately not pleasant to have my new Zil Bel sit in the 40 degree weather and then have to handle it with my bare hands.

[iamjoe2]

lol thanks for the info what do you recomend in a rock cow bell?( ya i know its the cymbal thread but, its used as a ride so..... cymbal?)

[drummguy731]

Hmm, I hear the new Meinl Cowbells are good, I am in the market myself for one so I'm looking around too. They sound pretty good.

[paraply]

Hey, I need a new ride, but I'm not sure which one. I want it to be powerful and "clangy", and also with a good ping sound. I play metal. Zildjian would be preferred.

Anyone? :confused:

[the_pure_drummer]

Maybe a paragon?

I love that ride!

[We_Love_Lime]

Z Custom Mega Bell.

[Little Android Man]

Maybe a paragon?

I love that ride!

I have a paragon ride, and i love it!

but its not very ""Changy"" as he is looking for, i dont know what would be though..

[ThatOneDrummer]

ping ride
gives you a good ping sound, but its really versatile too
good metal ride, but you can play jazz on it too
i have the 20" and its sex

[ludvista29]

not Zildj, but Paiste 21 Dry Heavy.

[Aaron]

24" Paiste Giant Beat Ride

[saars]

lol, you should try all these suggestions out since everyone's giving varied choices.

[drummerdave]

i hate how people say you can play jazz on a ping ride
yes, physically you could
but if you want the right cymbal for jazz, you won't buy a ping ride
and obviously saying you caould play jazz on a ping ride you havent studied or listened that much to jazz
for jazz, light rides, with medium to high wash are prefered, and often these rides are riveted for a kind of sizzle sound
none of the qualities of a ping ride

[saars]

i hate how people say you can play jazz on a ping ride
yes, physically you could
but if you want the right cymbal for jazz, you won't buy a ping ride
and obviously saying you caould play jazz on a ping ride you havent studied or listened that much to jazz
for jazz, light rides, with medium to high wash are prefered, and often these rides are riveted for a kind of sizzle sound
none of the qualities of a ping ride

sweet ride~!:thumb:

[Seafroggys]

i hate how people say you can play jazz on a ping ride
yes, physically you could
but if you want the right cymbal for jazz, you won't buy a ping ride
and obviously saying you caould play jazz on a ping ride you havent studied or listened that much to jazz
for jazz, light rides, with medium to high wash are prefered, and often these rides are riveted for a kind of sizzle sound
none of the qualities of a ping ride

yeah, I have the 22" ping ride and its not that great for jazz. My old Wuhan was a much better jazz ride. Nowadays when I want to do some swing I'll play on my 18" AA medium crash. A tad washy but its pretty good.

[gimp fest]

hi,
i'm looking for a 16" crash to compliment an 18" AAXplosion crash.
it has to be fairly durable as i play a wide range of stuff including plenty of heavier stuff.
thanks for any help

[GooseFilms.net]

Ha, I just realized that everybody else in the world still uses cymbals in increment of an inch, even though the US is the only country that actually uses customary system.

Awesome.

[Little Android Man]

hmm, i wonder how a 16 1/2" crash would sound like..

[GooseFilms.net]

only crash with a half inch dimension is the 18.5" chad smith sig crash. never heard of anything else that comes in a half inch size

[Little Android Man]

just wondering..

i would probably like it, i like crashes in the 16-17" range, and thats right in the middle.

[drummguy731]

The Zil Bel large comes in 9.5" that's the only other cymbal I've heard of like that.

[lmldrummer]

hi,
i'm looking for a 16" crash to compliment an 18" AAXplosion crash.
it has to be fairly durable as i play a wide range of stuff including plenty of heavier stuff.
thanks for any help

obviously you could get a 16" plosion

but i have an 18" plosion, and a 16" aax studio crash, and it sounds good

check that out

[Seafroggys]

just wondering..

i would probably like it, i like crashes in the 16-17" range, and thats right in the middle.

anything < 17" = teh weaks.

[Zildjian]

paraply View Post
Hey, I need a new ride, but I'm not sure which one. I want it to be powerful and "clangy", and also with a good ping sound. I play metal. Zildjian would be preferred.

Earth ride

[DrumIntoTheNight]

only crash with a half inch dimension is the 18.5" chad smith sig crash. never heard of anything else that comes in a half inch size

There are 13.25 inch hi-hats floating about somewhere. Zildjian I think.

[drummguy731]

Yeah, my hats, the K Hybrids! :thumb:

[DrumIntoTheNight]

That's the ones, thought it was.

[Aaron]

Ha, I just realized that everybody else in the world still uses cymbals in increment of an inch, even though the US is the only country that actually uses customary system.

Awesome.
If you look on cymbals they have measurements in CMs.

[Snarz]

Paiste is coming out with a new cymbal.

Its called."Twenty".

[FockerTheLopper]

Yeah, my hats, the K Hybrids! :thumb:

I played them at sam ash, really nice cymbals!

[We_Love_Lime]

K Hybrids get smashed by Dyno Beats. Everyday.
I mean they get done in the butt so hard they start to cry. And whimper, and that's the pathetic little noise you hear when you unfortunatly play your K Custom.

Z Custom ftw.

[Little Android Man]

psh... Paragons own all others in the butt. like, their massive penis's go so far up their butt holes, that it impales them and kills them.

[static]

So THAT'S what happened today.

[We_Love_Lime]

So your cymbal having a giant penis is a good thing?
I don't think so.

I'd never want my cymbal to have a giant penis.
What if my mom walked into the room?

[static]

She'd like it.

[We_Love_Lime]

My dad already has a giant penis so :wave:

[static]

You'd know.


Does your throat still hurt?

[We_Love_Lime]

Yeah.
But I took some cough drops.
It's all better now really. Thanks for asking.

[static]

Oh good.




I care for you Rami, I really do.

[We_Love_Lime]

*gasp*
How did you learn my real identity?

I'm looking for a cymbal that I can take and totally smash the **** out of the person sitting next to me.
Any suggestions?

[Little Android Man]

Solar 20" ride

[static]

COD.


Only thing it's good for.




oshi

[Plan B.]

Saw blade

[drummguy731]

:lol: Yeah, another COD lime.

[Little Android Man]

yeah, but the solars are heavy and worthless, use them :)

[We_Love_Lime]

Your mom's heavy and worthless.

[HeLLmO]

but yet somehow, she's like butta

[csyn]

Okay dudes here is what I need.

- Ride - High pitched and bright, defined ping
- Crash - High pitched and loud, not too hard though
- Hi-hats - Crisp when closed. Bright and full when open

Any ideas?

[stevensonmat2]

Ping ride, A custom 16"crash, and A custom mastersound hats.

[Tim]

Okay dudes here is what I need.

- Ride - High pitched and bright, defined ping
- Crash - High pitched and loud, not too hard though
- Hi-hats - Crisp when closed. Bright and full when open

Any ideas?

ride=AA rock ride or AA raw bell dry ride
crash=AAXplosion 19inch :D
hihats=hhx groove hats

[saars]

ride: dunno...
crash: 18" or 19" sabian AAXplosion crash
hats: 14" zildjian a custom mastersounds

[Cocaberry]

Ride- AAX Dry Ride or AA Raw Bell Dry Ride
Crash- 18" AAX Stage Crash or 18" AA Medium-Thin crash
Hats - don't know

[Little Android Man]

Ride- AA Raw bell dry ride
Crash- 17" A custom crash
Hats- um.. 14" Acustom Mastersounds..? (just saying cuz everyone else is..)

[HeLLmO]

all i know is my next ride is gonna be the HH Raw Dry Bell ride, and that thing is pure sex

[White]

What do you guys think about the AA Metal X Ride???? is it worth 140CAN?? Thanks

[HeLLmO]

it's decent if you're doin' just metal, but the constant pingyness gets a bit annoying IMO

[static]

Sean I had the HH as you probably know, and it's easily my second ride.

[Aaron]

What do you guys think about the AA Metal X Ride???? is it worth 140CAN?? Thanks
It'd be cheaper for you to buy a cast-iron frying pan

[Little Android Man]

that made me laugh.

[HeLLmO]

Sean I had the HH as you probably know, and it's easily my second ride.

yea, my friend Air got one for Xmas so i got to really dig into one yesturday and it sounded beautiful

[CombatWombat3]

It'd be cheaper for you to buy a cast-iron frying pan


True dat, for sure. I'm not a fan of the AA Metal-x. Although something I have noticed, and this goes for Z customs too, is that the rides are defientely the most tolerable for me.

[ludvista29]

yea, my friend Air
Air, WTF?!

[Sameasskicker]

Okay, i need the best cymbals for playing both latin and metal but not TOO expensive

[rocNsoc]

i want a cheap but good trashy china... think wuhan is a good choice?

[Sameasskicker]

i want a cheap but good trashy china... think wuhan is a good choice?

wuhan is the best inexpensive brand of chinas out there

[rocNsoc]

k thanks

[HeLLmO]

Air, WTF?!

his real name is Ariel, like the little mermaid, so he prefers to be called Air

[Inkstar]

i want a cheap but good trashy china... think wuhan is a good choice?

For sure.

[Aaron]

Okay, i need the best cymbals for playing both latin and metal but not TOO expensive
Zildjian As Medium-Thins.

[saars]

what's your guys' opinion on the 6.5" zil bell? I want a seperate bell that's high pitched, loud, but not too loud as so to pierce your ears. My sweet ride's bell just doesn't cut it...

[Drum Phil]

Should be about perfect.

Its high pitched and cutting enough to be heard.

[saars]

Mucho thanks drum phil:)

[drummguy731]

It's only 6", just to let you know in case that changes your mind at all...

[Aaron]

UFiPs Ice-bell's are where it's at. Complete glassiness.

[Jeff]

ok how heavy are medium crashes? are they hard to move? i was thinkin of gettin either a medium crashes or aa medium crashes. which are better?

[drummguy731]

I'd go with an A Custom Crash, they are a pretty good weight for anyone.

[Seafroggys]

ok how heavy are medium crashes? are they hard to move? i was thinkin of gettin either a medium crashes or aa medium crashes. which are better?

I have an 18" AA Medium Crash and it kicks ultimate ***, my favorite crash on my lineup.

[Jeff]

what other cymbals do you have? oh adn you really didnt answer any of my questions yet :-|

[Aaron]

I have 20" Medium Crash and it takes abit to get going. Probably more of a ride weight tbh. 18" and under mediums are great weight for rock and heavy music.

[Seafroggys]

what other cymbals do you have? oh adn you really didnt answer any of my questions yet :-|

my other crash is an 18" 2002 Crash, and I did have a 14" Agop crash but I sold that.

If you are used to playing on thins like me when I bought this cymbal, it'll seem heavy at first, but you'll get used to it.

[Cocaberry]

I have 20" Medium Crash and it takes abit to get going.

Uh, yeah... when you hit like pansy.

[Cocaberry]

Sorry, I don't play with aheads and 6' high crashes like you Coca.

LOL what a blind assumption. I don't play with Aheads and my crashes aren't 6' high. You're an idiot.

To really open up a 20" medium crash you need to do something called a fullstroke. Take the time and learn it someday.

Remember, "fullstroke."

[saars]

It's only 6", just to let you know in case that changes your mind at all...

totally knew that!!!!


UFiPs Ice-bell's are where it's at. Complete glassiness.


do you know where I can get sound clips? I don't think that I have any shops around me that sells UFiP items.


**EDIT: whooo 900 posts!

[the_pure_drummer]

Woot woot i got the 5000th reply!