*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[Cocaberry]

18" AAX Stage Crash.

[Sabian4015]

Ok well I'm looking for a third crash. I've got a 17" AAX Studio Crash and a AA 18" Thin Crash. 16" or 19" is what I'm looking for a think. Price range isn't exacly a factor, as long as it's not like 350 USD.

[Cocaberry]

19" AAX Studio Crash maybe?

[Aaron]

Maybe an 18" Ozone Crash for abit of trashiness.

[Drum Phil]

Tim, 18" Vault?

Sabian, 19" AAXplosion?

[herostyle]

Wuhan Splashes????

[TTTSNB]

Ok well I'm looking for a third crash. I've got a 17" AAX Studio Crash and a AA 18" Thin Crash. 16" or 19" is what I'm looking for a think. Price range isn't exacly a factor, as long as it's not like 350 USD.
19" HHX Stage Crash? Would provide a nice darker contrast to the studio and thin.

[Aaron]

harrharr.


im looking for a cymbal to get soon. not sure what yet. im thinking maybe an 18inch crash. THats pretty much what im leaning towards actually but im not sure what to get. I have:

18inch AAXplosioncrash
16inch AAXstage crash
18inch AA chinese
14inch AAX stage hats
12inch wuhan splashes used as hihats
21inch AA raw bell dry ride.


any suggestions on a crash taht would go with these? im thinking just to get another AAX stage in an 18inch or beef it up to like an hhxplosion or something.

18" HHX Power Crash

[bobby__johnny]

harrharr.


im looking for a cymbal to get soon. not sure what yet. im thinking maybe an 18inch crash. THats pretty much what im leaning towards actually but im not sure what to get. I have:

18inch AAXplosioncrash
16inch AAXstage crash
18inch AA chinese
14inch AAX stage hats
12inch wuhan splashes used as hihats
21inch AA raw bell dry ride.


any suggestions on a crash taht would go with these? im thinking just to get another AAX stage in an 18inch or beef it up to like an hhxplosion or something.

A bigger AAX Stage Crash, or an AA Medium-thin Crash would do nicely

but then again, theres always room to experiemtn with your setup.

give an HHXtreme Crash a shot. bit of trash, nice smooth sound, all sexy :thumb:

[Tim]

i had an AA medium thin crash in an 18inch a while back but i sold it to a friend. It sounded exactly like my AAXplosion. buuut i think ill give a look at the HHXtreme. also considering the aaxplosion in 19. maybe even the vault too. next time i go down to the shop im gonna try them out. thanks for the suggestions.

[Seafroggys]

was that the one you reviewed?

[Icky_Mettle]

Alright, I'm gonna add on a smaller crash pretty soon. I'm thinking a 16 incher.

My cymbals are:
HHX groove ride
14'' New Beats
18'' Istanbul Tra Med-Thin

I'm looking for something quick and fairly airy, that will cut but isn't obnoxiously clangy or bright. Handmade is preferable, but I'd also go for something by the big 3.

[Aaron]

I'd go for a 16" Ufip Class-Series Medium-Thin Crash

[Drum Phil]

16" K Custom fast crash?

[We_Love_Lime]

16 CIE Vintage?

Yes.

[!aaa!]

Hi.

I'm looking for some loudish hi-hats that sound perfect for reggae and ska, and are quite beefy and heavy and dark. Guidance would be much appreciated, if any one gets what I mean.

[HeLLmO]

quick beats maybe? K custom mastersounds posibly?

[We_Love_Lime]

New Beats
Or 15 K's

14 New Beats I would think though.

Something that Sly or Calrton would play.

[Seafroggys]

Hi.

I'm looking for some loudish hi-hats that sound perfect for reggae and ska, and are quite beefy and heavy and dark. Guidance would be much appreciated, if any one gets what I mean.

New Beats

[Tim]

was that the one you reviewed?


yeah. it was a great crash but when played with other instruments they just sounded exactly alike. im goign for different sounding crashes but in 18's. i sold it to a friend who really needed it.

[Daven]

I'm looking for a loud, heavy splash. Im looking preferably into Zildjian since its the only brand with all of the series in my local shop.

[We_Love_Lime]

Loud... Heavy.
I would say a 14 Z Custom Splash but than people would yell at me.

[Drum Phil]

12" Meinl MB20 splash
10" Paiste rude splash

[Zildjian_man]

How bright are the meinl classic cymbals, and how long do they ring out? Im orsering some off line, no shops close to here.

[drummguy731]

Loud... Heavy.
I would say a 14 Z Custom Splash but than people would yell at me.

that is Zildjians heaviest and loudest splash

[Aaron]

Get a 13" K Top HiHat and use it as a splash

[SeNeCa]

im looking for 2 crashes, a pair of hi hats and ride guys. i dnt really know how to explain what i want but im after shimmering soughta of sound, like a light clean sound but still strong enough for rock/metal. sorry about the explanation :P im open to all brands. thanks :)

[We_Love_Lime]

Some A Custom Fast Crash's are pretty shimmering.

[drummguy731]

^^yes, they fit the description that you want perfectly.

[Cocaberry]

AAX Stage Crashes, Stage Hats, and Stage ride.

[Aaron]

Vault Hats, HHX Groove Ride, 16" and 18" AAXplosions

[Stickman Sam]

Hello cymbal wizards, I'm about to start looking into new cymbals for my setup. I'm looking for:

Hi-hats with good definition and a clear pedal sound

Ride with a very defined bell, think Peart's ride bell sound from Counterparts, and not much wash/sustain/overtones on the bow

2 crashes, I like them somewhat on the glassy side, but still cutting enough for high-volume situations.

And a splash. I've played two splashes in my life: I loved an Istanbul splash (but can't remember the line, it was about 6 months ago and the name was unreadable) and I've also played an AAX Metal splash, which I despised on the grounds that it wasn't splashy enough for me.

Possibly a china; I've only played one china, a Meinl classics 16" I think it was, which I quite liked.

Recommendations? I don't mind saving up, I only have about £200 at the moment. So I guess I'll need to.

Thanks,

Sam

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[Seafroggys]

New Beats for your hi-hats.

[Stickman Sam]

I've played a couple of pairs and am considering them, pending something a little less expensive/that I like better.

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[raz0r]

Paiste Signature 14" Sound Edges for your hihats

Winner!

[Zildjian_man]

How do the wuhan 18" chinas sound?

[lmldrummer]

wuhans are hand hammered so each one will sound different, it could be a miracle, or it could be trash

i love my 18", i just ordered a 12", hoping to get lucky again:thumb:

plus if you don't like them you can just do stuff to it

[Zildjian_man]

But is it bright, or trashy?

[lmldrummer]

trashy

[Drum Phil]

Hello cymbal wizards, I'm about to start looking into new cymbals for my setup. I'm looking for:

Hi-hats with good definition and a clear pedal sound

Ride with a very defined bell, think Peart's ride bell sound from Counterparts, and not much wash/sustain/overtones on the bow

2 crashes, I like them somewhat on the glassy side, but still cutting enough for high-volume situations.

And a splash. I've played two splashes in my life: I loved an Istanbul splash (but can't remember the line, it was about 6 months ago and the name was unreadable) and I've also played an AAX Metal splash, which I despised on the grounds that it wasn't splashy enough for me.

Possibly a china; I've only played one china, a Meinl classics 16" I think it was, which I quite liked.

Recommendations? I don't mind saving up, I only have about £200 at the moment. So I guess I'll need to.

Thanks,

Sam

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13" New beats or maybe Quick beats.

If you like pearts ride why not a Paragon? Failing that perhaps an 20" Avedis Rock Ride, 20" Avedis Ping Ride or maybe a 22" Sabian HH Rock Ride.

2 glassy crashes with enough volume? 18" A Custom and a 19" Sabian Vault?

I find Stagg DH splashes to be wonderful. And very cheap.

Chinas, it you're going for dark and trashy then maybe a 20" HHX Thin? Or a 18" Oriental China Trash. On the opposite end of the scale, maybe a 19" AAXTreme? Or a Sabian Devastation chinese?

[Stickman Sam]

Thanks man, I've added those to the cymbals I'm going to hunt and test.

I'm going to be buying one cymbal at a time probably (except the hi-hats, I will probably buy a matched pair). My kit will almost certainly look strange with all the different brands I may buy from, but if it sounds just how I want it to...

All good.

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[Aaron]

I'd suggest:
13" AA Fusions; ultra-bright and glassy
20" Vault Ride
17" and 19" A Custom Medium-Thin Crashes
19" AAX Extreeme Chinese

[Orely]

hello.

I'm looking for a Zildjian loud and kind of dark crash. Preferably for playing rock and metal. around 180 - 250 dollars.

Thanks for any help

[drummguy731]

well, the K Custom Hybrid crashes are a bit on the expensive side. But they are dark and cutting, go to Akira Jimbo's site on drummerworld and listen to some of his playing, see if it's what you like. a lot of people prefer dark for jazz, so idk how much luck you'll get. I also suggest the Oriental Crash of Doom, that thing is loud as hell and dark as well. Good luck

EDIT: I totally did not mean to make that ryhme, :lol:

[Imperial Star]

Hey,

Im after a new ride.
I lookin for a versitile ride as I play in a metal band but im also starting to practice alot of jazz, afrocuban and funk, so a ride that can stay controlled when hit hard but sound good also in lighter situations.
I would like it to have some wash, good stick definition and a cutting bell.

Thanks

[Cocaberry]

Try an AA Raw Bell Dry Ride.

[static]

*hh

[drummguy731]

K Hybrid ride

[fishingprize]

Hey guys my first post here. I'm after some Zildjian Avedis cymbals. I play in a indie/rock/pop band with one guitar and bass, we play small-medium bars and pubs etc.

i've been trying to decide between 16" and 18" crashes, couldn't decide so thought i'll go for 17"s :D

this is my planned set up so far:

Avedis 17" thin crash
Avedis 17" medium crash
Avedis 20" rock ride, all traditional finish

I already have 14" quick beat hats. I want the crashes to be really versatile, they need to be sensitive but also loud enough to go unmic'd at a gig. Does anyone think these ones could be a bad choice?

I might go for the ping ride instead of the rock ride. which one has the most wash? and which one has the best crash qualities?

(http://www.myspace.com/thebandgoon is my band page if you'd like to hear our music. it's not me drumming in the songs btw)

[Seafroggys]

Ping ride has more wash. I have the 22" and I absolutly love it.

[drummguy731]

Well, the Avedis are pretty good, I'd suggest the A custom fast crashes, but that's IMO. I'm not sure the Avedis will be as loud as you want, but I know that the A customs or A custom fast crashes should be loud enough.

[FL3P]

If you will be playing unmic'd I would say take the medium crash and then add an 18" medium weight. A Customs are versatile and loud without being obnoxious so that might something worth trying.

[Panopticon]

tbh...im not a fan of medium crashes.

[Drum Phil]

Me neither. I wont go heavier than medium thin.

[Seafroggys]

I love my two 18" Medium crashes. Great for that nice, full rock sound.

Maybe not so much for Mr. Punk here.

[fishingprize]

I love my two 18" Medium crashes. Great for that nice, full rock sound.

Maybe not so much for Mr. Punk here.

two 18" mediums.... are they each from a different series? do they respond quickly?

[Seafroggys]

yeah, ones a Sabian AA, another is a Paiste 2002 classic (not the 2002 medium, as that's actually a medium-heavy weight)

[Drum Phil]

Y'reffering to me froggy boy?

[Seafroggys]

Don't take ti the wrong way. I just said for your fast punk music you would like to have thinner cymbals.

[HeLLmO]

it also requires hats that sound better than New Beats

[Paiste.Fan.]

I don't know if this has already been answered, if so will some1 catch me up? i need a fast crash that is very bright and loud but will die quickly so i can hit it over and over again and get the same sound.

[FL3P]

Try a smaller A Custom fast crash, they should fit the bill.

[al98]

Hello, i'm looking for a ride sizes 20" - 21" will go higher if its the sound i'm looking for. I'm looking for something with the same stick def and loudness as an A Custom Medium 21" Ride and the deepness and cutting bell of an K 20" Ride

Thanks!

[drummguy731]

K hybrid anyone?

[al98]

I really really like the sound of that ride, but cant try it anywhere in person

[drummguy731]

Yeah, I know how ya feel man, it's like an underground cymbal line.

[al98]

Ano its annoying, sadly there nothing you can do about it, its either go by sound files or go for a different ride

[Inkstar]

I'm looking for some cymbals that will match my playing style:

I'm really getting into prog rock/metal, so I guess I'll need some heavier cymbals. I play ALOT of Dream Theater, and at times that can be pretty brutal on the cymbals, so yeah.

But also, nothing thats TOO heavy/metallic, because I still like to play some jazzy music (I saw the K Custom Dry Light Ride today, and quickly played it - absolutely loved it, but it wouldn't match heavier music). I also play some metal/hardcore as well.

[Drum Phil]

Avedis/A Custom

[drummguy731]

I'd go with A customs, maybe look into a K hybrid crash. But A customs are pretty sturdy, I mean, come on, look at the price :lol:

[Drum Phil]

I got to play a Hybrid crash today.

OMG!

Sex.

[FL3P]

I've got the 19" hybrid and it is indeed nice.

[Drum Phil]

Pics? :p

[FL3P]

I was supposed to take some nice pics of the kit for about the last 6 months but I never did get that far haha.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Then get up and go do it :p

[FL3P]

The camera I have doesn't work very well which why it's taken so long. That and I'm lazy.

[White Riot!]

take a bad pic!

[Drum Phil]

Jus take some damn pics :p

[White Riot!]

Yeah as an ex-colonial of the british empire to another , I DEMAND you to take PICS!

[FL3P]

Well if you put it that way!

[Drum Phil]

As your ex-english opressors great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandson

I demand pics.

[Aaron]

Yeah. Give in to the convicts!

[White Riot!]

Australia - land of the pubs.

Whats your colonies tagline?

[We_Love_Lime]

USA - Land of the Free

That's all we could come up with.

[drummguy731]

Ireland, land of the sheep?


EDIT: Either way, post some dam pics

[drummguy731]

ok, I asked this a while back, but I'm doing it again with the hope someone may have had some experiance. I'm thinking of getting some 13" A custom top/Z dyno bottom hats, anyone had good/bad experiance with them. And to stop this from happening, no, I do not want new beats, I've tried them and IMO they sound waaaaay to washy, sorry all you new beat enthusiasts :lol:

[Inkstar]

Avedis/A Custom

A Custom are far more expensive, yeah?

[Drum Phil]

Not far more.

A touch more.

The store i use for cymbals says they're £10 more.

[Inkstar]

I dig. Danke Phil.

[Seafroggys]

The Avedis is much better!

[Inkstar]

A Custom seem far more thinner.

[White Riot!]

Cant say i like A's. Dull and Clangy comes to mind

[Inkstar]

Avedis, Riot? I agree. I love the New Beats, but the Medium Crashes are shocking. They're way too thick (medium? more like ultra 1000-page-book thick) and metallic imo. That's why I like some of the Custom's - they're thinner and faster.

[Plan B.]

I miss my 18" A Medium, I could play anything with it, had a great bell and a lovely varying response. Whatever you put in came out accordingly.

[Zildjian]

I could score some vintage 14" Sound edge Hi hats for $150... What you guys think?

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

For 150 man you shud go for it.

I'm looking for bright (not too bright) cutting ride for play middle of the road rock to hard rock. any ideas guys?

[Dave*Grohl]

Zildjian A 20" medium ride...you can play anything with it

[TTTSNB]

Zildjian A 20" medium ride...you can play anything with it
Dunno, seems too middle of the road for me, too pingy for jazz, too washy for rock, but that's just me.

[Dave*Grohl]

Dunno, seems too middle of the road for me, too pingy for jazz, too washy for rock, but that's just me.

I find it to be awesome for jazz! For rock its good too! but it is a bit washy yes, depending on how you play it

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Dunno, seems too middle of the road for me, too pingy for jazz, too washy for rock, but that's just me.

You got any suggestions?

[TTTSNB]

You got any suggestions?
I actually think the 20" Dark Ride is a great cymbal, that's just me though. I try to use a medium ride in jazz, and it just sounds too tinny and loud IMO, but I guess it's just me.

[White Riot!]

you really need a thinner ride for jazz for the sounds I tend to like/prefer in a playing situation

although i would save the brighter/pingier rides for big band type stuff

[Cocaberry]

For 150 man you shud go for it.

I'm looking for bright (not too bright) cutting ride for play middle of the road rock to hard rock. any ideas guys?

AAX Dry Ride
AA Raw Bell Dry Ride
AA Medium Heavy Ride

Good ping on those. For more wash/less ping, try an AAX Stage ride or AA Medium Ride. Both those are crashable.

For more ping than the above rides, try an AA Heavy Ride. For maximum ping, try a Paragon Ride or a Zildjian Earth Ride.

[Daven]

I dont know where to post this, so I guess ill post it here. So i have this 18' ZXT crash/ride, it sucks i know. However as of lately iv seen like the edges are changing color, and this small rust-like dots are appearing. Is this normal?

I'm also looking for a relpacement to ZXT. I'm looking for a ride with nice bell sound and crisp. Loud enough to work in a rock/metal band.

Thanks for the help.

[Zildjian_man]

I know im becoming a pain asking about this. but this is the last time.
Im am ready to order my cymbals, but forgot some things. meinl classics on a scale of 1-10, Ten being most:how bright,how long of sustain, and how loud. Thanks for all the help.

[Drum Phil]

For 150 man you shud go for it.

I'm looking for bright (not too bright) cutting ride for play middle of the road rock to hard rock. any ideas guys?

Avedis Rock ride
Avedis ping ride


When im playing jazzier stuff i tend to crack out my old 22" Zyn ride.

[Icky_Mettle]

16 CIE Vintage?

Yes.

A little late on the reply (I know) but if I can try either one, I'd love a K fast crash or the CIE.

Expensiveeeeeeeeeeeeee

worth it?

[We_Love_Lime]

Oh ****.

No doubt the CIE is worth it.

Not too fond of the ride, the hats and crashs are VERY worth it though.
VERY!

[TTTSNB]

you really need a thinner ride for jazz for the sounds I tend to like/prefer in a playing situation

although i would save the brighter/pingier rides for big band type stuff
Yeah, most of the time. Even the Medium seems a bit too thick in my College Small Group Jazz Combo.

[drummguy731]

Ok guys, how are the K custom sessions? Cause I'm starting to get into jazz stuff and may need a new crash since I normally play A Cust. Fasts

[Aaron]

They're okay, there are better crashes out there though. The special drys are 100x better.

[drummguy731]

But they don't come in crashes do they?

[Aaron]

Yeah, but they were discontinued in March. Still fairly available.

[drummguy731]

Ahh, I see, thank you!

[Aaron]

They'll be the ones we'll be talking about as priceless in 10 years, trust me. Give them 10 years of playing and they'll be godly.

[drummguy731]

Yeah, hopefully I'll be able to get my hands on one. Also, has anyone played the Oriental Classic China, not the China trash, but the other china from the Oriental FX series

[SeNeCa]

hi guys ive found a few nice pairs of Paiste cymbals on ebay and im just wondering as far as quality goes how do paistes rank? ive checked out the sound files on their websites and i like them alot.

but what lines of cymbals offer the best quality? like sigs are obviously very good but like 404's Alphas Rudes how do these rate in the cymbal world?

i hope ive made the question clear =/

thanks guys :)

[Drum Phil]

404s and alphas arent too good.

Rude rides, chinas and thin crashes are awesome. Rudes are pro but quite heavy.

[herostyle]

The Rudes are nice and the 2002s.

[herostyle]

AA splash?
AAX splash?

[Tim]

404s and alphas arent too good.

Rude rides, chinas and thin crashes are awesome. Rudes are pro but quite heavy.

the new alphas are pretty good. a bit pricey though

[alurny]

So I'm looking to upgrade from my standard hats and crash. Good deal?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zildjian-ZBT-Pro-Ltd-Ed-Cymbal-set-with-FREE-ZHT-Crash_W0QQitemZ200042716008QQihZ010QQcategoryZ1017 5QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

[Cocaberry]

ZBTs suck.

Save up for professional cymbals so you won't have to buy twice.

[Panopticon]

This may not be what the cymbal finder is intended for but i figured i'd ask here before making a new thread.

My school has an old Sabian AA Medium Ride.

I might buy it for $40 but want to know how old it is. I know it is fairly old because the text that says "MEDIUM RIDE" is capitalized and is just outlined. (ie. the letters are not solid).

Any guesses? I asked on the sabian forum but it could be a while before i get an answer.

[HeLLmO]

it's probably ATLEAST 5-6 years old, which means it's got a bit of wear under it, but if it still sounds good definatly go for it. my school has a pair of new beats with the zildjian logo capitalized, outlined, but not filled in, and they sound amazing, i think they're 15''s and i would easily pay $40 for 'em.

[Panopticon]

it's probably ATLEAST 5-6 years old, which means it's got a bit of wear under it, but if it still sounds good definatly go for it. my school has a pair of new beats with the zildjian logo capitalized, outlined, but not filled in, and they sound amazing, i think they're 15''s and i would easily pay $40 for 'em.

Well...my flat hats are at least 5 years old and they have the regular logo?

[HeLLmO]

well, then they are older than that, maybe 10 years?

[Inkstar]

Yo, just thought I'd say I went round my mates place this arvo and tried out his UFIP Natural Series hats.

BEAUTIFUL. Absouletely loved them. Closed and open, exactly the sounds I wanted. I might buy them off him because he says he's bored with them now hah.

[Chris]

^^^
Natural are nice, but i found that they where a tad to heavy.

Class Hats are better (Though new beats sound better recorded).

[London Prophet]

Ok I'm looking for a second/alternative/replacement (not sure which) ride. I presently use a Zildjian A Ping Ride, Which has nice stick definition but not the greatest bell, and not the best quiet jazz sound (more "rocky").

I want:
- A Zildjian Cymbal, either K or K Custom
- With a loud and distinct bell (preferably large in size)
- A good jazz sound, especially for swing
- Short decay, I don't want it building up sound during fast swing
- Clear stick definition, shouldn't ring too much
- A little bit of a crash in it if i hit it on the edge
- Not too loud

Suggestions?

[HeLLmO]

K Custom special dry ride maybe?

[drummguy731]

K custom hybrid

[We_Love_Lime]

Those special drys are nice..

[Bloodlust]

hey guys i want to get a bell, like a Zil-bel, but im not sure if i should get the 6 inch or 9.5. I have ehard that the 6 inch one doesn't stand out at all and can barly be heard. Any truth to this?

[Drum Phil]

Depends.

They are fairly quiet.

[Bloodlust]

so if im palying a local show, small venue and unmiced kit, would the 6 inch version be audible?

Also how is the paragon ride? Is it crashable at all?

[Drum Phil]

Probably not

And no.

[Bloodlust]

what ride would you recomend for a good defined bell, yet a little crashabilty?

[FL3P]

A Custom medium ride.

[drummguy731]

hey guys i want to get a bell, like a Zil-bel, but im not sure if i should get the 6 inch or 9.5. I have ehard that the 6 inch one doesn't stand out at all and can barly be heard. Any truth to this?

That thing can be heard for miles man, I'd suggest going for the 9.5 one though cause the 6" is loud, but the 9.5 is louder.

[London Prophet]

I have a 6" Zil-Bel it's cutting!

I used to use it as the bell for my ride, it makes much mroe noise when inverted.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Yeah, the Zilbel is a good bell for loud noises when inverted, its good for little chimes and dings on the other side.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Yo, just thought I'd say I went round my mates place this arvo and tried out his UFIP Natural Series hats.

BEAUTIFUL. Absouletely loved them. Closed and open, exactly the sounds I wanted. I might buy them off him because he says he's bored with them now hah.

Who makes those hihats?

I am looking for mid-priced but good quality pair of hihats for playing mostly rock and funk. I don't want something really heavy sounding, but equally I want them to be audible unlike some I've seen - I think it was a K or K custom 13" (those are probably too expensive anyway). They would need to sound fairly good open, closed and halfway?

[Drum Phil]

Ufip?

[Snarz]

I would've said you should look into Saluda Cymbals,they're pretty much custom cymbals to fit the buyers needs.But I don't think they ship to England.

[static]

14" A Customs.

[MatthewMeredith]

Alright this is my first time trying out the Cymbal Finder, so here goes...

My drums are going to be custom maple or mohogany or walnut (if I can afford it) and they're going to have Fiberskyns all around

I want reaaaaally dry sounding cymbals... 20" ride, 19" china, 18" crash, 13" hats, 10" splash, and maybe a 6" splash...

Price isn't much of a problem (to a certain extent).

UNLATHED IS KEY!

[Plan B.]

K Custom Dry Light ride, check it out.

[MatthewMeredith]

Hmm looks interesting... I'll have to check out some in stores if I can find them :confused:

[Inkstar]

K Custom Dry Light ride, check it out.

I second this. One of the sexiest cymbals I've ever played.

[We_Love_Lime]

K Custom Dry Sessions. if you can find them.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[maniac0796]

Hey y'all. I'm looking for new hats. I want quite a washy sound when loose, and nice click sound when closed fully, and a nice chick sound when using my foot.

Any suggestions???

[Cocaberry]

Try AAX Stage hats or AAXcelerators.

[Real live junkie]

Hey...
Can someone please tell me the difference between cast cymbals and sheet cymbals(sound and price) because i am planning to buy cymbals in the near future. Also please give me some insight on the brands wuhan and meinl besides the other popular 3.

Since i'am getting cymbals im gonna need stands. so should i go expensive stands of cheap stands. Do they affect the sound of the cymbals.

Thanks for your help.

[Drum Phil]

"Expensive" stands wont fall apart on you.

Cast cymbals are generally a higher quality metal and will thus sound far better.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

I am looking for mid-priced but good quality pair of hihats for playing mostly rock and funk, but generally good all-around. I don't want something really heavy sounding, but equally I want them to be audible unlike some I've seen - I think it was a K or K custom 13" (those are probably too expensive anyway). They would need to sound fairly good open, closed and halfway?

14" A Customs.

Thanks, but can anyone recommend anything a little less expensive. Btw, what are Avedis Zildjian New Beats like, cos I saw 14" pair for sale at £178 or so inc. postage and packing, and was wondering if that's a good deal or how good they are, cos that's less that AA's or AAX's, and most other fairly good cymbals.

Cheers guys.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Hey...
Can someone please tell me the difference between cast cymbals and sheet cymbals(sound and price) because i am planning to buy cymbals in the near future. Also please give me some insight on the brands wuhan and meinl besides the other popular 3.

Since i'am getting cymbals im gonna need stands. so should i go expensive stands of cheap stands. Do they affect the sound of the cymbals.

Thanks for your help.

Sorry for double post, only a new post is the only way I can remember how to quote someone. I don't know much about Meinl, but I have a Meinl Classics 20" Extra Powerful Ping Ride, which is alright but not amazing and is a bit quiet at times tbh, but that mostly depends on what you're trying to do. I think generally they're towards the lower end of the market but i may be wrong.

[drummguy731]

Just remember, you get what you pay for, ok, Imma try this again, anyone know much about the Paiste Sigs, are they any good for jazz?

[Tim]

I am looking for mid-priced but good quality pair of hihats for playing mostly rock and funk, but generally good all-around. I don't want something really heavy sounding, but equally I want them to be audible unlike some I've seen - I think it was a K or K custom 13" (those are probably too expensive anyway). They would need to sound fairly good open, closed and halfway?



Thanks, but can anyone recommend anything a little less expensive. Btw, what are Avedis Zildjian New Beats like, cos I saw 14" pair for sale at £178 or so inc. postage and packing, and was wondering if that's a good deal or how good they are, cos that's less that AA's or AAX's, and most other fairly good cymbals.

Cheers guys.

A customs are about the same price as the regular A's so new beats and mastersounds should cost around the same. I would go with HHX groove hats if i was you. pricey but great for funk and good for rock and it has nice projection. If you cant afford something like HHX i would recommend AA regular hats in traditional finish or AAX stage hats also in traditional finish. Also some A new beats like you said those would be awesome and for that price it doesnt seem too bad a deal.

[Seafroggys]

A customs are about the same price as the regular A's so new beats and mastersounds should cost around the same.

Which makes New Beats the MUCH better deal!

[Tim]

Which makes New Beats the MUCH better deal!


i agree.














stage hats are better >=D

[Mirror.Circuit]

new beats pwn.
simple.

[herostyle]

Sabian XS20 10" Splash?
Anyone have experience with this cymbal. I think I'm planning on getting it becuase its a nice price for a well-made splash.

[Tim]

Sabian XS20 10" Splash?
Anyone have experience with this cymbal. I think I'm planning on getting it becuase its a nice price for a well-made splash.

xs20 are pretty nice. I dont know if they still make them or not but try the b8 pro splashes. those are bad for the price. i bought mine for $25. i still have it, its just not on the kit i moved to a smaller set but it will make its comeback. I recommend that splash. Same with the b8pro chinas....those things are jesus in the flesh. well...not really, more liek a gandhi in the flesh.

[drummguy731]

new beats pwn.
simple.

no, K Hybrid Customs pwn, :lol:

[Imperial Star]

How does the 22' K custom Dry Complex ride sound?
It was the one designed by Bill Stewart, I ask because I can get one on sale.

[BanninatedbySubtle]

Like.. you know when you have a nice cup of coffee in a really nice location? It's like that. It's complex, and dark, and smoky, but you can never explain it with words.

[Inkstar]

Yo guys is this a good deal? 13" New Beats for 275USD, which is 360AUD.

[Seafroggys]

Yo guys is this a good deal? 13" New Beats for 275USD, which is 360AUD.

Well, things in Australia are inflated if that's where you're buying. But I bought 14" New Beats New for $250 USD.

[HeLLmO]

but he should get quick beats

quickbeats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>new beats

[Aaron]

Inkstar. That's heaps good mate.

[LoneStarDrummer]

power hats >> new beats

[We_Love_Lime]

Doom Hats > All

[Aaron]

18" Hats over all.

[Seafroggys]

but he should get quick beats

quickbeats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>new beats

Oh, so Quickbeats point to the direction of New Beats, as if to guide others there? Okay, that's quite true, I agree.

[drummguy731]

K Custom Hybrids>New Beats
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[We_Love_Lime]

Ew.
Those Hybrids.

[White Riot!]

new beat stick definition? should of called em no beats!

[Seafroggys]

new beat stick definition? should of called em no beats!

well, they're not crisp, but that's what I like about them. While most people like fairly washy rides and crisp hats, I like beefy hats with a definite ride.

[Cocaberry]

I'm thinking about getting an AAX Dry Ride for Christmas. I was gonna just add it to the setup I have now and have two rides.. the washy AAX Stage Ride and the dry ride for when I want more ping.

Does anybody know if the pitch of the AAX Dry ride is lower than the Stage ride? Both cymbals are 20".

Also, will the Dry ride work ok for crashriding?

[LoneStarDrummer]

you could always go onto sabian's website and compare the pitch of the two on there

[Inkstar]

Yo so like, I was thinking about getting those 13" New Beats, but then I just compared the new beats with mastersounds (A, not A Custom) and I much preferred the mastersounds. Is this strange? :p I think most people on here tend to take new beats over others from what I've seen, but yeah..

Btw, the price on the new beats, I added on about 30 or 40 for postage - they're on ebay for $240USD but yeah, I have to get them shipped to Australia.

Also, are mastersounds and/or new beats good for my style of music? I play mostly Dream Theater, so very proggy, yet can be quite heavy at times.

And keeping that style of music in mind (progressive rock/metal), what would be good crashes and rides to get? All I have atm is Paiste 502's cause I'm a stingy bastard, but I really want to upgrade to high end cymbals now.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

As for the hats I dont think thats strange at all, I mean its all personal choice at the end of the day.

Crash wise I would say go for a nice heavy(not too heavy) crash and I would also advise seeing what you fave drummers from that sort of genre use and then go and test out some of the crashes you like the look and sound of.

[Seafroggys]

As for the hats I dont think thats strange at all


Yes it is.

[Inkstar]

Crash wise I would say go for a nice heavy(not too heavy) crash and I would also advise seeing what you fave drummers from that sort of genre use and then go and test out some of the crashes you like the look and sound of.

Well, seeing as my 'idol' is Portnoy, it would be smart to check out his cymbals, however he plays Sabian and I'm really turning into a Zildjian fanboy despite not owning any of their cymbals. :p

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

Yo so like, I was thinking about getting those 13" New Beats, but then I just compared the new beats with mastersounds (A, not A Custom) and I much preferred the mastersounds. Is this strange? :p I think most people on here tend to take new beats over others from what I've seen, but yeah..

Btw, the price on the new beats, I added on about 30 or 40 for postage - they're on ebay for $240USD but yeah, I have to get them shipped to Australia.

Also, are mastersounds and/or new beats good for my style of music? I play mostly Dream Theater, so very proggy, yet can be quite heavy at times.

And keeping that style of music in mind (progressive rock/metal), what would be good crashes and rides to get? All I have atm is Paiste 502's cause I'm a stingy bastard, but I really want to upgrade to high end cymbals now.

First I would read the generally uninformative marketing hype from the website, then go to a drum shop and try hitting some to see how they sound, and the guys working in any good shop should know lots and be able to give you some decent advice.

[MatthewMeredith]

Alright this is my first time trying out the Cymbal Finder, so here goes...

My drums are going to be custom maple or mohogany or walnut (if I can afford it) and they're going to have Fiberskyns all around

I want reaaaaally dry sounding cymbals... 20" ride, 19" china, 18" crash, 13" hats, 10" splash, and maybe a 6" splash...

Price isn't much of a problem (to a certain extent).

UNLATHED IS KEY!

Alright I checked out the K Custom Dry ride, and fell in love.

I'm looking at the 21" ride, and 13" hats. Do they not make a K Custom Dry crash? I didn't see one on Zildjian's website.

Also, what's the difference between K's and K Customs???

Thanks guys!

[Aaron]

K Custom Special Drys are discontinued as of March 2006, but they're still around. They're godly cymbals.

[MatthewMeredith]

:eek: Faaaaaaak I want them so bad! Does Zildjian have any unlathed cymbals still in production then?

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

K Custom Special Drys are discontinued as of March 2006, but they're still around. They're godly cymbals.

Is that just those ones, or all or more K Customs?

[HeLLmO]

just the special dry rides or the special dry hats too? i loved those hats. **** zildjian, i may have to take the 20 minute drive out to Norwood and rain some hell on them

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

Well, seeing as my 'idol' is Portnoy, it would be smart to check out his cymbals, however he plays Sabian and I'm really turning into a Zildjian fanboy despite not owning any of their cymbals. :p

In that case see what he use's and then find somthing similar in the zildjian lines


Yes it is.

why?? Its personal choice

[Aaron]

From what I heard it's the crashes only.

[Cocaberry]

Which has the most wash: AAX Dry Ride, AA Medium Heavy Ride, or AA Raw Bell Dry Ride?

I need a medium-heavy ride good for crashriding.


...

If I don't get an answer in here I'm starting a thread.

[Tim]

Which has the most wash: AAX Dry Ride, AA Medium Heavy Ride, or AA Raw Bell Dry Ride?

I need a medium-heavy ride good for crashriding.


...

If I don't get an answer in here I'm starting a thread.

the dry doesnt have much wash. i would go with the medium heavy AA but i dont know if it will crash like you want it to.

[Cocaberry]

the dry doesnt have much wash. i would go with the medium heavy AA but i dont know if it will crash like you want it to.

I don't really plan on crashing it, just riding it with the shoulder for some nice wash.

You ever heard the Stone Temple Pilots drummer? He crashrides a medium-heavy ride. His is a Paiste though and I want something like that but not as expensive.

[Seafroggys]

why?? Its personal choice

When it comes to hats, there is no such thing as 'personal choice' and 'opinions.' I have never heard of those words before. What language are they?

[Tim]

I don't really plan on crashing it, just riding it with the shoulder for some nice wash.

You ever heard the Stone Temple Pilots drummer? He crashrides a medium-heavy ride. His is a Paiste though and I want something like that but not as expensive.

i would say just try it out. I could go shoulder ride my raw bell right now and let you know how it sounds.

OK its too pingy the AA raw bell is. Didnt get much wash at all from it.

[Kayne815]

I'm looking for a crash that can be used as primary crash. I'd like something that sounds good at all volumes, is good in live situations, something that i can thrash the hell out of but still has a nice musical quality to it. An overall nice crash sound.

[HeLLmO]

When it comes to hats, there is no such thing as 'personal choice' and 'opinions.' I have never heard of those words before. What language are they?

okay, seriously dude, chill out, we know you love your new beats, but in drum lesson today we put new beats up against my new sizzle hats and my sizzle hats DOMINATED the new beats.

[ant_182]

Hey guys. Ok mum said she might buy me a cymbal for christmas. So it would have to be crash cymbal due to prices. I originally wanted either 17 or 19 A Custom Crash. however I've found somewhere which does some paiste 2002's like £30 cheaper! I'm not sure what to ask for!! I will be buying hihats with my xmas and bday money, so dont worry about that. What should I go for? Thanks !


-Ant-

[Tim]

I'm looking for a crash that can be used as primary crash. I'd like something that sounds good at all volumes, is good in live situations, something that i can thrash the hell out of but still has a nice musical quality to it. An overall nice crash sound.

dont thrash the cymbal. crash it. =D

Go with something that is a larger size. 18 or 19. I would stick with an 18 though as a primary thats just my preference. The larger sizes are going to cut better too. There are lots of crashes out there with great musical qualities. I would recommend a medium thin crash or a medium crash. anything heavier than that might not sound to musical in a heavier size. Look into Sabian AAXplosion crashes, HHXplosion crashes, HHX stage crashes, AAX stage crashes, AA medium crash, AA medium thin crash, Zildjian A series crashses Zildjian A custom medium crashes, etc, etc. Paiste 2002, Paiste Alpha. The list goes on really. I would recommend any medium weight crash though might be good for what you descibed.

[Tim]

Hey guys. Ok mum said she might buy me a cymbal for christmas. So it would have to be crash cymbal due to prices. I originally wanted either 17 or 19 A Custom Crash. however I've found somewhere which does some paiste 2002's like £30 cheaper! I'm not sure what to ask for!! I will be buying hihats with my xmas and bday money, so dont worry about that. What should I go for? Thanks !


-Ant-

its up to you really. A customs and 2002s crashes are both nice and you cant go wrong with either one. Oh and go with the 19. =D

[Kayne815]

dont thrash the cymbal. crash it. =D


i meant 'thrash' as in being able to crash the cymbal without having be really withdrawed in hitting it.

[Tim]

i meant 'thrash' as in being able to crash the cymbal without having be really withdrawed in hitting it.

i was just making a dumb joke. =D

medium and medium thin crashes will be your best bet though dude. they dont need to be wailed on to get a nice crash out of it like heavier cymbals do.

[Kayne815]

lol whoops didn't catch that. too tired. yah thanks man, ive been looking for that nice crash but i didn't know where to look.

[Cocaberry]

i would say just try it out. I could go shoulder ride my raw bell right now and let you know how it sounds.

OK its too pingy the AA raw bell is. Didnt get much wash at all from it.

Yeah. I'm probably gonna go with the AA Medium-Heavy then.


Thanks for the help.

[ant_182]

its up to you really. A customs and 2002s crashes are both nice and you cant go wrong with either one. Oh and go with the 19. =D
Yeh, I think I have to get an 18" 'Cos there's no 19" for paiste. But I'll save my mum money and get the 2002. And then buy the A Customs after :D!


-Ant-

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

okay, seriously dude, chill out, we know you love your new beats, but in drum lesson today we put new beats up against my new sizzle hats and my sizzle hats DOMINATED the new beats.

Can I get an amen to that.

Sizzle hats rule

[santi3hg]

Hey, I'm in the market for a new ride and hats.

Hats I would prefer 14" and well adaptive to rock and is versatile as well.

The ride I'm looking would need to have a nice bell, not dry but it cuts, as well as a bit of washyness to it.

Thanks

[alurny]

Hey! I am looking to upgrade from my current gong/bin lid/tin foil cymbals I got with my kit. I was thinking of jumping in and getting some:

Sabian AAX stage (£275 for 14" Hats, 16" Crash and 20" ride).



Good idea? If you got any other ideas on what makes/models to look into it would be appreciated. I play rock most of the time. Thanks.

Chris

[HeLLmO]

Hey, I'm in the market for a new ride and hats.

Hats I would prefer 14" and well adaptive to rock and is versatile as well.

The ride I'm looking would need to have a nice bell, not dry but it cuts, as well as a bit of washyness to it.

Thanks

i'd say 14'' quick beats for the hats, and maybe an AA medium, K Custom, A Custom, or 2oo2


and the sizzle hats are mad sexy, when i play them alone they do ring out a little much because of the rivets, but when i play with other ppl they sound godly

[Seafroggys]

i'd say 14'' quick beats for the hats, and maybe an AA medium, K Custom, A Custom, or 2oo2


and the sizzle hats are mad sexy, when i play them alone they do ring out a little much because of the rivets, but when i play with other ppl they sound godly

I wonder if I should bother responding to him, otherwise you'll go on a bitchfest on me.

[HeLLmO]

nah dude, it's cool, i won't go on a bitchfest, don't worry. i do however feel that if someone is lookin' for new hats you should let others post more ideas before you just say new beats

[Time]

I'm gonna ask for a crash for christmas. I'm down to two or three but I'm open to any suggestions. I know I have to try stuff out, just curious as to what you guys think. Ok so I want a larger crash 18 maybe 19. The two I narrowed it down two were 18" 2oo2 and 18" K Custom Dark. right now my setup includes: 14" New Beats, 20" K Custom Ride, 16" XS20 Med. Thin Crash (will become secondary). So, which would be better or any other suggestions? gracias

[santi3hg]

Thank you Hellmo, any particular models of the K's and A's I should look at? I don't want the ride to be dry though. So K's I don't think I should look into unless you have another suggestion of a K ride.

[HeLLmO]

for As. the medium ride has a good amount of wash and a good bell, so maybe somethin' like an A Rock Ride or A Ping ride would be better, as for the Ks, i think maybe the K Heavy Ride would work

[saars]

Hey, I'm in the market for a new ride and hats.

Hats I would prefer 14" and well adaptive to rock and is versatile as well.

The ride I'm looking would need to have a nice bell, not dry but it cuts, as well as a bit of washyness to it.

Thanks

For hats, I suggest 14" A Mastersounds. Those are godly compared to the new beats. **hides from seafroggys**:cool:

[Seafroggys]

now that other people have posted.....

New Beats

[static]

You're a biased tool.

[MatthewMeredith]

Awesome I can get a 20" Istanbul Turk ride for $220 Canadian. Brand new.

I think I might get a whole set of 'em.. 18" crash and 18" china... 13" hats... 10" splash...

*drools*

[Undisco Kidd]

Turks are nice, but I prefer Sultans. A little less dry, and more versatile.

19'' Turk flat rides though... *instant massive erection*

[MatthewMeredith]

Your mom though... *inst-



Yea you get what I'm about to say...

Anywho, those Turk flat rides are quite nice... But I heart dry... big time...

[alurny]

Seen as though no one answered my previous question I'll just post it again?

Does anyone own Sabian AAX Stage cymbals? I just looking into getting some for christmas (well with my student loan)?

Thanks.

[Tim]

Seen as though no one answered my previous question I'll just post it again?

Does anyone own Sabian AAX Stage cymbals? I just looking into getting some for christmas (well with my student loan)?

Thanks.

I own the AAX stage hats and an AAX stage crash. Excellent cymbals. Great vesatile and cutting cymbals.

[Cocaberry]

I own the AAX Stage hats and the 20" Stage ride. Both are brilliant finish.

The Stage ride is pretty washy. You might want to look into something heavier if you need good ping. It works great for crashing and crashriding though.

Stage hats are awesome. Great sound open, half-open, and closed. Very versatile.

[alurny]

I own the AAX Stage hats and the 20" Stage ride. Both are brilliant finish.

The Stage ride is pretty washy. You might want to look into something heavier if you need good ping. It works great for crashing and crashriding though.

Stage hats are awesome. Great sound open, half-open, and closed. Very versatile.

Hey thanks :)

[Dave*Grohl]

I have a 18" aax stage crash. It's nice but can't beat my meat..I mean can't beat my 17" A custom

[static]

Opinions on 16" Sig Full Crash?

[yama_stage_advantage]

so im interested in the paragon ride at my local store and i have a few questions

can it be used for diferent kinds of music?is it loud?

[static]

Extremely versatile, very loud too. A lot of (good) ping. A great ride, easily my second ride.

[HeLLmO]

it's not the washiest ride though, so if you want a fair amout of wash, you may wanna look elsewhere

[static]

stfu nub.

[Drum Phil]

Im looking for a second ride.

I want it to contrast with an 20" Avedis Platinum rock ride.

Just to give you a quick example of what ive been looking at:

22" HH Rock ride
21" Paiste sig dark full ride
18 + 20" Paiste trad light flat ride

Im at your mercy MX.

[yama_stage_advantage]

21HH raw bell dry ride?

[Drum Phil]

Its a bit too dry to contrast with my other ride.

[static]

....20" K Ride.....

[Tim]

AA heavy ride? in trad. or medium heavy in trad.

[Drum Phil]

The heavy ride is pretty much identical to my Avedis.

Im rather tempted by the 20" Artisan medium though.

[static]

Oh, the Vault Artisans are beautiful cymbals. I prefer the 22"? better, though.

[Kayne815]

hey im looking for some new main hats. i'd like something with a nice chick, a nice sorta sizzle if ud like to call it that(a nice closed sound), and a nice open sound. pretty much a very versatile pair of hats that can be played at any volume. i was looking at something like AA regular hats and AAX stage hats, or vault hats. if anyone has experience id like to hear ur views on them. im not trying to close myself down to those two, anything from zildjian as well would be great. thanks.

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

AA sizzle hats. They rule, i use em for everything.

[spirit]

New Beats would be good from the Zildjian camp, but I understand that the AA and AAX Stage are also very versatile.

Vaults are more like A Customs, so if you like the Vaults, check out those.

[crackpot_theory]

Alright, what is everyone's opinion on the Sabian AAX dark crash cymbals? I'm considering purchasing one but don't know very much about them.

[Cocaberry]

AAX Stage Hats are awesome.

[Drum Phil]

OK ive decided i want a flat ride for the left side.

Gimme your favourites.

[ludvista29]

K custom?

[Undisco Kidd]

OK ive decided i want a flat ride for the left side.

Gimme your favourites.
I too would enjoy one.

[spirit]

OK ive decided i want a flat ride for the left side.

Gimme your favourites.

Emmm...

Istanbul, Bosphorus, that kind of malarky.

[static]

Stage hats are beautiful, extremely versatile, as are the Vaults. Fishbulb has Vaults, and tons of people have stage hats (Coca).