*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[Cocaberry]

I'm thinking about a 17" AA Metal-X crash to replace my cracked B8. I'm thinking about getting this one cause I play metal and they are loud and seem durable. I played a 16" at the GC and thought a 17" would be better for me. I have a 15" AAXplosion already so I think this one would compliment it well. Any other suggestions?

Yeah I got a suggestion: stay away from AA Metal-X. They sound like crap.

Here are some better crashes that might be good with your AAXplosion:

AA Medium
AA Medium-Thin
AAX Stage Crashes


If you just really have to have loud crashes, some rides sound better crashed than AA Metal-X crashes. A few are:

AAX Stage Ride
A Sweet Ride


All this is my opinion and you have to be sure to try these out in person before you buy anything. Bring your cymbals to the store so you can compare them side by side.

[Tim]

if youre playing Metal then dont get AA-metal X. they are too heavy to move at high speeds. Especially the larger sizes. Get a large size. Medium thin crash. That would be perfect for you. Id recommend getting a bigger AAX plosion. LIke an 18. those are dang loud and are medium thin in weight. They sound great too in other music not jsut metal and loud settings. Good all around crash. If not I would Def. recommend an 18inch AAX stage crash.

[FullMoon]

hey i need a ride with a nice strong ping yet still high pitched

[Bloodlust]

hey i need a ride with a nice strong ping yet still high pitched

A custom Ping Ride?

[VTDS_xx]

Alright, thanks guys. I'm looking at the A Custom Medium Crashes right now. They're sounding good to me. I'm also going to be getting a new ride and hats soon. I'm thinkin Z Custom Dyno Beats and an A Custom Ping Ride. 22".

[chewaz]

yesterday i tried out the 20" 2002 Ride, basiclly too much wash for me, awesome bell, nice proyection, sexy looks, but the paiste retailer form my country only has the 20", for you who have tried the 22" adn 24", are they less washier? cause the audio clip from paiste's page was pretty acurrate just some differeces because of the sticks i use, and the 24" seem less washier thatn the 20"

[VTDS_xx]

Ok, forget Zildjian.
AA Medium Crash is 127$ on massmusic.
I'm gonna go with dat one.

[chewaz]

yesterday i tried out the 20" 2002 Ride, basiclly too much wash for me, awesome bell, nice proyection, sexy looks, but the paiste retailer form my country only has the 20", for you who have tried the 22" adn 24", are they less washier? cause the audio clip from paiste's page was pretty acurrate just some differeces because of the sticks i use, and the 24" seem less washier thatn the 20"

***cough***

[Bloodlust]

Ok, forget Zildjian.
AA Medium Crash is 127$ on massmusic.
I'm gonna go with dat one.

i have a 17" AA medium crash and its awsome. You won't be let down.

[Bloodlust]

hey guys i amde a thread about this and it proably could have gone in here and no one has really posted in it so....

hey guys, i was just at my local music shop and saw some used AAX X-celorators for 140 USD!! I have wanted a pair of these and to see them this cheap is really exciting. I checked them out and i didn't see anything wrong with them, just a few fingerprints and smudges. This is probably a really n00b question but are there supposed to be indents on the edges of the bottom hat? Well i know you guys are going to tell me to try them and buy them if i like them but i wanted to know your guys opinion on them. What type of music are they usually used for? Are they very versatile? Thanks

[thenewguy515]

I have a couple requests:

Heavy ride with a short warm ping and a solid bell sound(elbow of stick)

An 18" crash that will go well with a 16" Sabian Vault crash, I was thinking A custom or AA Medium crash(massmusic has them cheap as hell).

tips? suggestions? etc..

[thenewguy515]

Yeah I got a suggestion: stay away from AA Metal-X. They sound like crap.

Here are some better crashes that might be good with your AAXplosion:

AA Medium
AA Medium-Thin
AAX Stage Crashes


If you just really have to have loud crashes, some rides sound better crashed than AA Metal-X crashes. A few are:

AAX Stage Ride
A Sweet Ride


All this is my opinion and you have to be sure to try these out in person before you buy anything. Bring your cymbals to the store so you can compare them side by side.
Which do you think would be better? AA Metal-X or AAX Metal?

[Cocaberry]

Which do you think would be better? AA Metal-X or AAX Metal?

Neither. Both of those lines are just garbage. It's best to stay away from the following lines:

AA Metal-X
AAX Metal
Z Customs
Paiste Rude

[thenewguy515]

Neither. Both of those lines are just garbage. It's best to stay away from the following lines:

AA Metal-X
AAX Metal
Z Customs
Paiste Rude

Well can you point me in the right direction for an 18" crash to go with my 16" Vault? Rude rides are ok btw :p

[Tim]

Well can you point me in the right direction for an 18" crash to go with my 16" Vault? Rude rides are ok btw :p

an 18inch AAX stage crash. something medium thin in a big size.

[Cocaberry]

Heavy ride with a short warm ping and a solid bell sound(elbow of stick)


Try either the AA Heavy Ride or AA Rock Ride. Both are heavy weight. Only difference is the bell on the Rock ride is larger and the rock ride would be louder.


An 18" crash that will go well with a 16" Sabian Vault crash, I was thinking A custom or AA Medium crash(massmusic has them cheap as hell).


I don't really remember exactly what a Vault crash sounds like but I'm assuming its fairly bright. According to the catalog, it is thin weight so I suggest you try the following crashes:

AA Thin (Thin Weight)
AA Medium-Thin (Medium-Thin Weight)
AAX Stage Crash (Medium-Thin Weight)
AAX Studio Crash (Thin Weight)


Keep in mind the Medium-thins are going to be louder than the thin weights. If you don't want one crash to overpower the other you should just stay with thins.

[\m/-CHeV-\m/]

Alright, thanks guys. I'm looking at the A Custom Medium Crashes right now. They're sounding good to me. I'm also going to be getting a new ride and hats soon. I'm thinkin Z Custom Dyno Beats and an A Custom Ping Ride. 22".


I wouldn't go with the dyno's.. man they are too friggin loud.. and they sound like crap.. If you like them being loud, maybe improve the sound by buying a Z/K combo... and just remember: a-custom medium crashes are not the best musical choice if you play in various styles of music.. It suits rock and metal very good though ;)!

[thenewguy515]

Try either the AA Heavy Ride or AA Rock Ride. Both are heavy weight. Only difference is the bell on the Rock ride is larger and the rock ride would be louder.



I don't really remember exactly what a Vault crash sounds like but I'm assuming its fairly bright. According to the catalog, it is thin weight so I suggest you try the following crashes:

AA Thin (Thin Weight)
AA Medium-Thin (Medium-Thin Weight)
AAX Stage Crash (Medium-Thin Weight)
AAX Studio Crash (Thin Weight)


Keep in mind the Medium-thins are going to be louder than the thin weights. If you don't want one crash to overpower the other you should just stay with thins.
would an AA medium crash be pushing it too far?

[Cocaberry]

would an AA medium crash be pushing it too far?

Depends. If you are playing jazz most of the time then yes. AA Mediums wouldn't be as versatile as the other cymbals I listed.

I have 2 AA Medium Crashes and they are good for what I use them for but I just play mostly rock. I have a ride that I crash-ride all the time so I need crashes that cut through that without any trouble. IMO AA Mediums don't sound as good as AA Medium-thins or thins.

[straycat101]

do you guys think i should get a) 8'' and 10'' Wuhan Trad Splashes, b) a 12'' Wuhan Splash and 12'' China or c) a 16'' Prosonix China ?

help me out

[Cocaberry]

do you guys think i should get a) 8'' and 10'' Wuhan Trad Splashes, b) a 12'' Wuhan Splash and 12'' China or c) a 16'' Prosonix China ?

help me out

Depends on what you have now. Post your cymbal list.

[straycat101]

Depends on what you have now. Post your cymbal list.

Right now i have a 17'' A Custom Fast Crash, a 20'' AA Medium ride, and Paiste 802 hats/second crash. I am gonna replace the 802 crash in a month when my b-day comes around.

[Cocaberry]

From your list, I'd go with the ProSonix china. Wuhans tend to be a bit dark since they are hand hammered.

I've never heard the 802 hats but since the AA ride and the fast crash are fairly bright, IMO the Prosonix would fit in better than those Wuhans.

[chewaz]

22" Sig. Dry ride or 24" 2002 ride? wich is dryer or has less wash?=

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

www.paiste.com

Check out the sound clips and see for yourself. My money would be on the sig dry ride though.

[chewaz]

yeah i've heard the cilps, but i was asking for those who have tried them out :S

[VTDS_xx]

do you guys think i should get a) 8'' and 10'' Wuhan Trad Splashes, b) a 12'' Wuhan Splash and 12'' China or c) a 16'' Prosonix China ?

help me out
A 10" S Series Splash and an 18" Trad. China.

[saars]

I'm also looking for a china that is not too dark (like the wuhans are) and something that I can ride on (like dhak said). Also, I don't like something that's uber trashy (like the wuhans), but I want something that gives a good "khaaahhh" and doesn't have that much overtones. I'm open any brand cymbal.


anyone?

[aznriceball]

paiste sig chinas cut a bit like you'd say, and you might think about a b8pro china perhaps? or perhaps an HH china, those things are real bitey :)

[-=[Luke]=-]

I'm looking for 2 new crashes, i missed 2 bargains earlier for a Sabian HH 16" and 18" crash.
I'm looking for 2 crashes that work well together, and would be well suited for heavy metal playing and also quite versatile.

[aznriceball]

AA Rock Crash 17" HH Rock Crash 18"

AA Medium Thin 17" HHX Stage Crash 19"

[We_Love_Lime]

Hmm...

16 A EFX.
15 Azuka
or 18 Azuka?

Anybody have any recomendations for a cool Reggae type crash cymbal.

Really really short simmering decay.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

anyone?

18" or 20" Bosphorus trad. china, if you can find one that is. I suggest Ebay.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Hmm...

16 A EFX.
15 Azuka
or 18 Azuka?

Anybody have any recomendations for a cool Reggae type crash cymbal.

Really really short simmering decay.

Perhaps a K custom fast crash?

[raz0r]

Neither. Both of those lines are just garbage. It's best to stay away from the following lines:

AA Metal-X
AAX Metal
Z Customs
Paiste Rude


The AAX Metals aren't too bad. Better than the Metal-X line at least.
Paiste RUDEs aren't all that bad either.

[Drum Phil]

Paiste rude thin crashes and the chinas are awesome.

[Vannaroth]

What do you guys think of the Sabian Paragon series? been thinking of picking up a 10" splash and I'm torn between Paragon, Metal-X and HH.

[Drum Phil]

Paragon > Metal-X

[HeLLmO]

i'm gonna have to say paragon on that one, Neil sure does know how to make a splash

[VTDS_xx]

I wouldn't go with the dyno's.. man they are too friggin loud.. and they sound like crap.. If you like them being loud, maybe improve the sound by buying a Z/K combo... and just remember: a-custom medium crashes are not the best musical choice if you play in various styles of music.. It suits rock and metal very good though ;)!
Oops. That was supposed to say K/Z Custom. haha Sorry.

[Killroy]

hey, im looking for a nice versatile china, any reccomendations?

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

A china High
Oriental China trash
AA China

[Tim]

AA Chinese

agreed

[r.o.a.r]

i think you should go with the oriental china trash. i've had it for about7 months now. that cymbal's awsome!:thumb:

[styler]

im looking for a nice pair of aux hats, 14" ive got a pair of 14" k custom dark hats as my main hats, any ideas?

it will be on a pedal attachment so it will be a second pair of hi-hats.

[Drum Phil]

A/Z Dynobeats?

[styler]

sound samples on zildjian sites? probably not?

[Drum Phil]

http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/products/productDetail.ad2?catalogID=1010&typeID=7&productID=1032

[White Riot!]

Looking for a huge silky thin crash sound

[Locke]

im looking for a nice pair of aux hats, 14" ive got a pair of 14" k custom dark hats as my main hats, any ideas?

it will be on a pedal attachment so it will be a second pair of hi-hats.

Try the 13" K/Z customs, You won't be disapointed. The click on them is godlike. I was originaly gonna go for the 14"'s but the 13"'s are just, well, you'll see.

[Seafroggys]

im looking for a nice pair of aux hats, 14" ive got a pair of 14" k custom dark hats as my main hats, any ideas?

it will be on a pedal attachment so it will be a second pair of hi-hats.

New Beats

then after awhile, you will realize their superiority, and then you'll find your K Customs will make great aux hats :cool:

[White Riot!]

New Beats

then after awhile, you will realize their superiority, and then you'll find your K Customs will make great aux hats :cool:


New beats are just to plasticy IMO

just like HHX EVO hats are too buttery IMO

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Looking for a huge silky thin crash sound

Maybe look at Paiste 20" 2002 thin and paper thin crashes, or a Zildjian 20" A Thin Cash

[Cocaberry]

New beats are just to plasticy IMO

just like HHX EVO hats are too buttery IMO

What exactly do "plasticy" and "buttery" mean when describing cymbals?

[styler]

hit plastic and butter with your stick. then youll know.

[ThugsRook]

Paiste rude thin crashes and the chinas are awesome.
im pretty sure you and i are the only ppl on this forum that thinks so :lol:

[Drum Phil]

Quite probably :p

[styler]

rude = only heavyset cymbal ill ever hit

[ThugsRook]

one of the great things about RUDE is that they never break along the lathing lines ;)


the new RUDE thin crashes are perfect, exactly what i want in a cymbal ~ a heavy cymbal that sounds thin :D


black cymbals arent my style, but this is a thing of beauty... (courtesy of WS6freak)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/ws6freak/Cymbals/THIN-RUDE.jpg

[Seafroggys]

wow, thats a purdy cymbal!

[HeLLmO]

im pretty sure you and i are the only ppl on this forum that thinks so :lol:


I DO TOO!!!!!

[White Riot!]

What exactly do "plasticy" and "buttery" mean when describing cymbals?

Plastic = not enough resonance / ringing but not exactly dead sounding , all you really hear predominantly is the medium to low mids , sounds kinda plastic like

Buttery = just a little above being muddy sounding IMO , kind of sound



Im looking for a big huge silky smooth thin crash sound. I tried paistes and they are glassy and too offensive sounding to be silky

something like an El- Sabor

[Drum Phil]

18" AA El Sabor crash

[White Riot!]

heh maybe Ill ask them to custom up a 20"

[Quinto]

whats a really smooth, buttery ride, no much overtones or ringyness. with
so-so stick definition

[White Riot!]

Evolution Ride

[DethChamber999]

A ride with almost no sustain or shouls i say wash? and good stick definition and almost all ping and a cutting bell?

[Seafroggys]

A Earth RIde?

[Quinto]

to dethchamber:tape an o-ring on a ping ride.that would give you the sound and the ability to have a ride with some wash if you ever want one

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

^^^ wtf...

No, dont tape an O-ring to your ping ride, that has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

I'd say an A earth ride, or maybe a 22" rock ride or something.

[aznriceball]

18" z custom rock crash. kill that sustain mister!

[Drum Phil]

to dethchamber:tape an o-ring on a ping ride.that would give you the sound and the ability to have a ride with some wash if you ever want one

Thats an awesome idea.




If you're a moron and want to crack you're ride.

[We_Love_Lime]

What's Like an Istanbul/Bosphorus/Sabian equivelent to my 16 CIE Vintage Crash?

Buttery and Glorious.

[NewMetman]

Im interested in the sabian rocktagons, how do they sound?

[santi3hg]

I'm very interested in getting Istanbuls, and wonder which line suits well for say progressive/metal/experimental/hardcore/post-hardcore type of sound, mainly experimental and progressive. Thanks.

[psychocream]

i want to replace all my cymbals:
I play rock,metal,punk mainly
+New hats ( maybe 14" new beats??)
+a bright sonding crash
+a dark sounding crash
+a splash
+a decent ride.
+china

[HeLLmO]

i want to replace all my cymbals:
I play rock,metal,punk mainly
+New hats-14'' paiste soundegde, 15'' Sabian AA regular, 14'' AAX stage hats
+A Custom
+K Custom/HHX
+Meinl Byzance
+Paiste 2oo2, A Ping Ride, A Sweet Ride, AA Raw Dry Bell Ride
+Paiste 2oo2 Novo, Zildjian Oriental China Trash, Sabian AA, Sabian AAXtreme


there ya go

[psychocream]

^^ that really confusing. sizes and stuff?

[styler]

listen to them and give them a try.

[psychocream]

ok im going drum centre this saterday, you can test em out

[TTTSNB]

A ride with almost no sustain or shouls i say wash? and good stick definition and almost all ping and a cutting bell?
If you want a slightly jazzier ride, the K Custom Dry works well also.

[Chris]

i want to replace all my cymbals:
I play rock,metal,punk mainly
+New hats ( maybe 14" new beats??)
+a bright sonding crash
+a dark sounding crash
+a splash
+a decent ride.
+china

For a china, look at UFIP Tigars. They are aggressive, and in your face.

[aznriceball]

i would shoot for a whole lot then just a 'decent' ride :p

maybe a 22" HH rock?

[Seafroggys]

i want to replace all my cymbals:
I play rock,metal,punk mainly
+New hats ( maybe 14" new beats??)


its all you need :cool:

[Quinto]

Thats an awesome idea.




If you're a moron and want to crack you're ride.


thats only what my drum teacher does with moongel and an o-ring, and hes only been playing for 20+years, and only has a ride thats 10 years old, so phil your right, it will destroy your cymbals, with all the many years of playing youve had.

[White Riot!]

muffling cymbals is the dumbest thing ever. +1

and drumaster your a giant wanker.

[styler]

thats only what my drum teacher does with moongel and an o-ring, and hes only been playing for 20+years, and only has a ride thats 10 years old, so phil your right, it will destroy your cymbals, with all the many years of playing youve had.
and my old teacher has been playing for 46 years, and he still chokes the sticks and pushes into his cymbals. those 46 years doesnt make him right. phil is actually 100% right on this one.

[psychocream]

i would shoot for a whole lot then just a 'decent' ride :p

maybe a 22" HH rock?

well its gota be like sutible for the types of music i play, good sound wen i hit the bell. ect, ect. and maybe a bit suited for jazz/blues aswell.

So far :
Hats-14" new beats
bright crash- a custom
dark crash- k custom
splash- Meinl Byzance (unsure, more suggestions ?)
ride-? A Ping Ride, A Sweet Ride, AA Raw Dry Bell Ride, 22" HH rock
china-UFIP Tigars, Zildjian Oriental China Trash, Sabian AA, Sabian AAXtreme

[styler]

well its gota be like sutible for the types of music i play, good sound wen i hit the bell.no, wait, i want it to sound good when i dont hit the bell too. ect, ect. and maybe a bit suited for jazz/blues aswell.

So far :
Hats-14" new beats
bright crash- a custom 18" projection
dark crash- k custom dark crash 18"
splash- 10" hhx evolution splash or 10" HH splash
ride-HH Raw Dry Bell Ride
china- zildjian oriental china trash, sabian HHX china, paiste novo china.
there ya be.

[psychocream]

Hats-14" new beats
bright crash- a custom 18" projection
dark crash- k custom dark crash 18"
splash- 10" hhx evolution splash or 10" HH splash- no idea
ride-HH Raw Dry Bell Ride-size ?
china- zildjian oriental china trash-size ?


cheers styler for narrowing it down :chug:

[styler]

Hats-14" new beats
bright crash- a custom 18" projection
dark crash- k custom dark crash 18"
splash- 10" hhx evolution splash or 10" HH splash- no idea
ride-HH Raw Dry Bell Ride-size ?
china- zildjian oriental china trash-size ?


cheers styler for narrowing it down :chug:
the evolution splash is abit thinner than the HH splash, the HH is abit more airy if your looking for a really bright sound, while the evo is more a buttery explosion type of splash. for lack of being able to explain it.

i believe the HH only comes in one size, i cant remember though, if it comes in more than one. a bigger ride will have more resonance and a good bit more wash, while a smaller one will be more controlled. about the china, the same applies.

the smaller, it will have more bite with less resonance, while the bigger ones will explode when you hit them and will go on for a second or two.

its basically all preference. i gave you pretty versatile sizes on all the other cymbals. dont buy any just cause we said so. you might completely hate them.

[psychocream]

thats why i am going to try them out first :)

[styler]

bless you sir.

[HeLLmO]

its all you need :cool:


unless u like....ya know....2oo2s....or HHX groove....or don't masturbate on new beats before going to bed

[styler]

who said i masterbate to new beats? what? who told you? ill kill them!

[DethChamber999]

If you want a slightly jazzier ride, the K Custom Dry works well also.
I thought jazzier rides had alot of wash?

[Bowler]

I play heavy rock, and im looking for new hats. im thinking, guess..................new beats! who'd have known!

Am i right in saying HHX groove are in stiff competition with these or are they non comparable.

new beats are about £50 cheaper which sounds even more in euro. i cant go wrong with these really can i? i do like to vary my sound using dirrerent strokes when playing the hats.

[White Riot!]

who said i masterbate to new beats? what? who told you? ill kill them!

now we know how you get such creamy tones out of them

[EchoMuse]

^^hahah, sick..heh.

okay Im looking to replace my gross 18" z cutom med crash, and Im looking at either for certain reasons...
a Meinl 18" Byzance Brilliant Med Crash, or a 18" Istanbul Agop Alchemy Med Crash...

Okay, im basically asking for a comparison, between the 3 cymbals, or opinions if anyone has played on one. I dunno if the z and stannie are similar, on recordings they have a lot clsoer tone... but Opinions!! =)

[TTTSNB]

I thought jazzier rides had alot of wash?
Well what I meant is its a very dry, but darker cymbal.

[White Riot!]

The byzance is going to be full bodied and a wider sounding crash , the Alchemy is going to sound cleaner and sharper with a narrower sound. Z custom is going to sound bad.

[i am plane crash]

i play in a metal band and would like a loud, bright ride with lots of ping. I would also like a 20" Crash but would like to look in Meinl and Paiste as i have recently heard my mates cymbals and they are awsome.

I was wondering if anyone could recomend any decent cymbals by these companies. I have about £350 to spend...thanks

[White Riot!]

Meinl MB20's

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

MB20s would be an excellent choice if you wanted to go Meinl.

WR won't agree with me but try some of the following paistes out:

Crashes:
Sig. power crash
Sig. Full Crash
2002 Power Crash
2002 Wild Crash
RUDE Thin Crash

Rides:
21" Sig. Dry Heavy Ride
22" Sig. Power Ride
22" 2002 Heavy Ride
22" 2002 Rock Ride
22" 2002 Rock Bell Ride

I'm in Aus so I wouldn't know how much they would cost sorry.

[i am plane crash]

I have heard good things about the MB20 line and also the soundcaster so i think i might go with them cheers for the quick replies :).

[EchoMuse]

How thin are mehmet sultan splashes, and crashes?

Edit-- And in responce to wr!, yeah thatss why Im getting rid of it..hah, but can you describe it like warm..dark..sustain is blahblahblah..bright..etc. =) but that helps too.

[r.o.a.r]

go with the new beats dude. nice sound! good "chick" sound, and grat when played open!! it has been with me for three years. really sturdy and versatille. and it's worth the price. :smoke:

[Bowler]

Was that a reply for me? I'll take it that it is!
Gona buy me some new beats from drumshop.co.uk there now any second. Cheers!

[Drum Phil]

Thats not far from me

[Bowler]

Ya, your unreal lucky. i get all my s**t there but delivery to Ireland is another £22, wud be more but they know me at this stage.
I know this is a bit off topic but do you find they have good prices? Its very good compared to Ireland, here new beats are euro429 = £295.86 thats just under £100 pounds more than drumshops £199.

[Drum Phil]

Aye, i usually get my local store to price match them

[Daven]

I need some help please. Ill be buying a new ride in the next few days, but i need some help since im a noob in cymbals. Can someone tell me a good ride pingy with good definition that ranges from the price 190 - 250 please?

Preferably Zildjian or Sabian.

Thanks for any help.

[aznriceball]

2" avedis ping ride, trad finish

[EchoMuse]

^Two inch..haha. yeah something like that, go on their websites they have sound samples that can help as well. More pingy, so get a heavier ride...

[Against-the-Scene]

Wut Meinl Cymbals are good for hardrock/metal?

[Drum Phil]

Mb20

[EchoMuse]

Soundcasters(custom as well), Mb20, Mb10, Amun...even byzance..just the thicker ones. Bascially most of their cymbals (just don't get like medium-thin versions..ha), but the Mb and the Amun line would probably hold up best, the Mb line because of their thickness, and the Amun line because of their composition.

[TTTSNB]

I'm looking for a ride cymbal that has a decently cutting, pingy sound, with a great bell, that can still be crashed on. Any suggestions?

[HeLLmO]

I'm looking for a ride cymbal that has a decently cutting, pingy sound, with a great bell, that can still be crashed on. Any suggestions?


would a 2oo2 work? or maybe an A ping ride

[Icky_Mettle]

scratch that, anyone have an agop sig ride?


I'm wondering if it'd be loud enough to be used in a rock setting, because otherwise it's PERFECT.

[Tim]

would a 2oo2 work? or maybe an A ping ride

2002 ride=not very pingy at all. its really washy. my friend steve has it. the bell is alright but its no ping thats for sure.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

I'm looking for a ride cymbal that has a decently cutting, pingy sound, with a great bell, that can still be crashed on. Any suggestions?

A Paiste sig. dry ride.

I'm getting a reflecter version this week, its a beau-ti-ful cymbal.

[straycat101]

what is a good cheap china? not a wuhan though. something more bright
i was thinking a Prosonix or B8Pro. somehting bright and fast.

[aznriceball]

10" AA china splash

12" wuhan china

19" aaxtreme china


all of these are viable candidates. can you be more specific?

[Tim]

AA chinese. l337 pwnz.

[Drum Phil]

I want a 20" Crash. Clean and bright. No thicker than a medium thin. Im looking at a Paiste 2002 thin.

Reccomend me something similar or better

[The Feeding]

So no website on the internet is going to tell me how thick/thin a Sabian AAX 18 inch metal crash is. Anyone own one? How thick are they, and are they a good main crash to have? I am assuming it will medium heavy, just so it can withstand a beating, i mean it has METAL in the name. Any info, positives, negatives/alternatives would be appreciated.

[ChainReaction]

I have recently procured employment, and therefore, considering the condition my drumset is in, have decided to improve its stature. There is hardly an item that does not need replacing, or some sort of financial attention, but I am first and foremost concerned with my cymbals, as they are almost all cracked and sound nothing like they are supposed to. A cymbal update is long overdue, and now I've finally the resources to undertake it, hence my post:

I did not start my own thread as it seemed this would be an appropriate location for my concerns. I am a fairly hard hitter, though the term is relative when considering the context of each individual: I go through perhaps two pairs of sticks a week, sometimes more, and I thus need a product that will stand up to this intensity (and frequency) of play. Fortunately my budget extends vast enough, I believe, to cater to this prerequisite. As far as genre and style go, I suppose that would range from punk to metal (more relative and debatable terms); so something loud and powerful seems in order.

I am open to suggestion, and I hereby offer my question:

Considering my situation, requirements, and preferences, what would be the best solution (in your many different opinions) with a budget of $500? (I am willing to extend this to $600 at the very most). I need everything: 2crashes, a ride, and hi-hats.

As far as I know and from what I've heard, Zildjian Z customs seem appropriate, though not too many individuals seem fond of them around here. Please respond with any suggestions and commentary you may have-it will prove very helpful, and you have my thanks.

[Seafroggys]

If you break two pairs of sticks a week, you need to look at your technique.

Spend that money on a drum teacher.

[ChainReaction]

That didn't help. Even with better technique my cymbals still need replacing, and lessons don't cost nearly that much.

[Icky_Mettle]

Well, if I were you, I'd be looking for something heavier in a ride, and at that budget it'd be good to look at AA lines, but you really have a ton of choices, you don't need some rude-*** ride that cuts so much you can't hear anything else...crashes, the same, but go for higher sounding ones, such as zildjian A customs or paiste 2002's (if they're in your budget..)

Hats....probably new beats, because they can play literally everything, and you can get them used off of ebay in your price range. Also you could look at the awesome 2002 hats, but they're too expensive probably. If you don't like the new beats, I'd say look for stuff that might be considered "versatile but cutting" and personally I hate the sound of really high pitched hat ringing...mellow tone is what I love.

[Seafroggys]

That didn't help. Even with better technique my cymbals still need replacing, and lessons don't cost nearly that much.

well in that case, get some lessons, and don't get Z Customs. If I were you, stick to Zildjian A, Sabian AA, or Paiste 2002 cymbals. And whatever you do, get Zildjian New Beats for your hats.

[Time]

i'm looking at smaller crashes (14" or 15") and i'm down to a paiste 2oo2, a custom medium/fast, or k custom dark(splash or crash for this one). i want something kinda high pitched that has a pretty fast decay. i think i like the 2002 most, but I also like the A custom a lot as well. someone help me decide.

[Icky_Mettle]

Don't go for the K custom, it's not what you're looking for at all....

If you like them both pretty much the same, I'd go with the cheaper one. Simple as that :)

[Drum Phil]

What do you guys think of the 22" Paiste New Signature Dark Energy MKII Ride?

[aznriceball]

^if there were any near us and if i had a second student loan..

chain: i had a big long post that MX so kindly froze and deleted, so heres just the jist..
zildj avedis 18" medium crash
zildj avedis 18" medium thin crash
sab aaxplosion 17"-19" crash
sab hhxplosion 18" crash
sab hand hammered 18" rock crash

[ChainReaction]

What would the difference in sustain be like in these suggested models?

As far as crashes go, I would prefer a medium sustain, so that when playing with clean guitar or in other situations that are not at full instrumentation, the sustain of the crash would be noticeable, but not overpowering.

I also have two more questions concerning those cymbal lines supposedly designed for aggressive play:

Just out of curiousity, what is the problem with Z customs? I've heard about them for so long, and yet now it seems no one really cares for them. I would like to know why exactly, if anyone would be so kind as to explain it to me.

And, does anyone have any commentary on Sabian AA Metal X? I've heard almost nothing at all about these.

[Drum Phil]

Z customs cannot be used for anything over than hard rock. They are one dimensional, they cannot be played at the speeds metal calls for and basically have one sound.

They are also very brittle and very likely to break.

[ChainReaction]

What do you mean when they say they can't be played at the speeds required for metal?

And if they are easy to break, what are the toughest cymbals...the least likely to break and the longest lasting?

[CasB]

Turkish hand hammered cymbals baby :p

No way my Masterwork cymbals would break, ever...

[Vannaroth]

Just how good are Wuhan splashes/chinas?

I mean when you guys say Wuhans are great do you just mean for the price, or are they actually really good?

[Drum Phil]

What do you mean when they say they can't be played at the speeds required for metal?

And if they are easy to break, what are the toughest cymbals...the least likely to break and the longest lasting?

I mean you have to take a huge swing at them to get a sound. That + Speed = Exhaustion in minutes

[Maggot Dream]

Ok, I'm thinking about either a new pair of hats or a new crash.

For hats: Something fairly versatile, but I do play mostly rock at this point. Lots of prog, a little metal, etc. I'd like something with cut, but not too bright. So far I've considered Zildjian A New Beats and Sabian AAX Stage Hats.

For crashes, I'd like something a little darker than my 18" A Custom, but I'd like something in a smaller size. I've been thinking 16". So far I've ruled out K Customs, as they don't cut enough. Otherwise, I'm pretty open. I've also thought about an AAXplosion crash.

Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

[Tim]

get some hats. dont get stage hats..those might be a tad too bright for your liking since you dont want bright. plosions are awesome crashes i have an 18.

[Bowler]

I was basically lookin for the same as you, i wanted either new hats or a crash i went for the hats because i can see them making the biggest contribution to my kit at the moment.
I was looking for versatile hats also and after a lot of looking and thinking i went with new beats (not brilliant). Just waiting on them now, I'll have them by the end of the month, it's killing me!

[aznriceball]

okay guys, need help with a ride i dont see much of at stores

im thinkin around 18"-20", super sizzly and washy

loud bell

did i mention i need the sizzle! fairly..this cant make any sense..dark and cutting? >.<

[Tim]

okay guys, need help with a ride i dont see much of at stores

im thinkin around 18"-20", super sizzly and washy

loud bell

did i mention i need the sizzle! fairly..this cant make any sense..dark and cutting? >.<

well. it may not help but the 2oo2 rides are wasssshhhy. alot. the bell is pretty good. but not too cutting.

[aznriceball]

i saw a drummer with a 16" bass, a 13" BP, a timbale and a set of bongos with new beats/a wuhan splash and a super sizzly cutting ride. i lfell in love with the sound, and im sure it was 95% true since i was about 12ft from the 'stage', which was outdoors and very minimally mic'd.

[aznriceball]

okay, so im thinkin HHX or wuhan trad? id definitely need soundclips on that wuhan bell though

[Tim]

HHX groove. =)

[Chrysler]

What do you guys think about Fast Crashes? I was thinking of getting one, but the bloke at the shop said they werent that good. Any thoughs?

[aznriceball]

a or a custom? the a customs are beautifully shimmery, but have less volume then the othe a customs. the As are great, they're just the old (paper?)thins renamed

[Drum Phil]

Aye the A Customs are paper thin. I love my K Custom fast crash

[eisle89]

Used 14" NewBeat hihats at Massmusic.net clearance section for $179 USD !!!!

[We_Love_Lime]

15 A Fast Crash is Sex.

AznRiceBall. 19 Armand Ride?

[VTDS_xx]

Azn, get the Armand Ride. That thing is beautiful. I love the sound it gives.

[Icky_Mettle]

I loved the sizzle on the Zildjian K left side ride, I'm pretty sure it was custom...but it had a SWEET sizzle, just don't know if it'd cut enough. Just look for something that looks pretty ****ed up in color :)

Also, the Mel Lewis Istanbul ride has a great sizzle!

[Maggot Dream]

get some hats. dont get stage hats..those might be a tad too bright for your liking since you dont want bright. plosions are awesome crashes i have an 18.
What about Paragon hats? I've tried them out, and they seem a little more versatile than the stage hats.

Also, would HHX Groove Hats be any good for the type of music I listed earlier?

[Icky_Mettle]

Depends, do you like groovin'?

[Maggot Dream]

Of course. I do play some prog metal stuff (Dream Theater, LTE, Tool, etc.) though, so would they work alright for that too?

[Quinto]

could you describe the hhx groove ride, i have nowhere to try it, but hear all these good things about it.

[the_pure_drummer]

Opinions of the aax splash (10")

[Chester]

Opinions of the aax splash (10")
Its a good splash, try to hear it in the store and compare it to other things. AA 10" is also a good splash. all about preference, id prolly take the AA splash but whatever.

[derryk]

Alright, two quick questions:

What do you guys know about UFIP cymbals? Price? Quality? Lines that suck?

And same goes for Paiste.

[Locke]

Alright, two quick questions:

What do you guys know about UFIP cymbals? Price? Quality? Lines that suck?

And same goes for Paiste.

I can only go on Paiste. I think they are extreemly good quality. However their price is premium and above that of Zildjian and Sabian although they provide a more unique sounds.

Lines that suck? Depends. All their lines are good for their price range tbh. PST's are the worst I beleive. Lines to check out are the 2oo2's and Signatures. I have a 16" Signature Power Crash and love it.

[derryk]

Yeah, I hear they're pretty expensive. I've only found one place that sells them too.. so that probably won't help. Thanks bud.

Anyone for UFIP?

[chewaz]

wich, dont think on price:
20" 2002 classic china
20" wuhan china?

[Collis]

Erm, this isn't really looking for a cymbal ... but I didn't want to start a new thread just to ask a tiny question.

Is This (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Istanbul-20-Ride-Cymbal-Mehmet-Sultan-Series_W0QQitemZ7413255004QQcategoryZ10174QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) a good buy for like 100 quid?

[enishi]

im looking for a ride,I'll be using this ride for mainly most types of rock, but it needs to be versatile. w/ great stick definition (not too much) with a defined warm sounding bell, (can hear at live performances) and no overtones, i mean just a little ..ty

[enishi]

im listening to zildjian cymbal clips and i fell inlove wit 22" A medium ride. is that sound accurate??? because in store theres only 20" A med ride and i dunt like the sound it gives...

[HeLLmO]

Erm, this isn't really looking for a cymbal ... but I didn't want to start a new thread just to ask a tiny question.

Is This (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Istanbul-20-Ride-Cymbal-Mehmet-Sultan-Series_W0QQitemZ7413255004QQcategoryZ10174QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) a good buy for like 100 quid?


well, i don't know what 100 quid is in USD, but that is a damned fine ride

[Drum Phil]

Erm, this isn't really looking for a cymbal ... but I didn't want to start a new thread just to ask a tiny question.

Is This (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Istanbul-20-Ride-Cymbal-Mehmet-Sultan-Series_W0QQitemZ7413255004QQcategoryZ10174QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) a good buy for like 100 quid?

YES

Also to whoever said PST's are the worst Paistes. 101 Brass??

[HeLLmO]

YES

Also to whoever said PST's are the worst Paistes. 101 Brass??


SSHHHH! we don't speak of the 101s

[Collis]

well, i don't know what 100 quid is in USD, but that is a damned fine ride

I would say that is about $190 (Don't count me on it), but as seen as I currently have a ZBT ride (Ok it was stock, I didn't buy it :p ) I am deffo gonna go for that ... just hope I win :mad:

[SadStairway]

I just picked up an 18 inch vault crash. I'm looking for a 16 inch crash that will mix well with it, anyone have any suggestions?

[static]

im looking for a ride,I'll be using this ride for mainly most types of rock, but it needs to be versatile. w/ great stick definition (not too much) with a defined warm sounding bell, (can hear at live performances) and no overtones, i mean just a little ..ty

22" Hand Hammered Rock Ride

[enishi]

22" Hand Hammered Rock Ride

thanks,oso:chug:
ye i think that too, but i narrowed it down for sum rides.
20" K heavy
22" A med ride
22" HH rock ride
so? cant decide right now.
what would be the most versatile?

[static]

HH. Easily.

[HeLLmO]

^yea, pretty much

[Tim]

So im looking for another crash to go along with my current setup and i have an idea but im open to some more suggestions. my current cymbal setup is:

18inch AAXplosion Crash
18inch AA medium thin crash
18inch AA chinese
16inch AAX stage crash
14inch AAX stage hats

Im getting the AA raw bell dry ride soon too and ive already picked that out.

Im thinking of maybe an 18inch Vault crash to go along with it. preferabbly sabian since its way cheaper here. 18 inch crash only. thin-mediumthin only also. thanks.

[Ethan.]

I am looking for some new cymbals. I'm getting a summer job and I just want to know what to save for. We play hard rock, classic rock, and metal.

I want a crash that sounds kind of like John Bonham's, but I can't afford 2oo2 stuff. I'm in more of a Sabian AA price range. I will probably be using this as my main, and maybe my only crash for now, so it should be kind of versatile.

I would like a dry sounding, ride with lots of stick definition. Almost clicky if you know what I mean. Again, remember my price range.

For my hi-hats, I want some loud ones that can cut through in metal. I like sizzly sounding ones. These should be versatile too I guess.

I appreciate any help guys.

[static]

So im looking for another crash to go along with my current setup and i have an idea but im open to some more suggestions. my current cymbal setup is:

18inch AAXplosion Crash
18inch AA medium thin crash
18inch AA chinese
16inch AAX stage crash
14inch AAX stage hats

Im getting the AA raw bell dry ride soon too and ive already picked that out.

Im thinking of maybe an 18inch Vault crash to go along with it. preferabbly sabian since its way cheaper here. 18 inch crash only. thin-mediumthin only also. thanks.


18" HHX Stage/Studio Crash

[Quinto]

freebyrd you sound like ur going for the bonham sound all around. if you want that dont cut expenses, save. giant beats.

15"soundedge high hats, or giant beat hi hats
18" medium crash, or giant beat
24" 2002 ride, or giant beat
20"medium crash, or giant beat.

he used giant beats earlier on. the 2002's

[enishi]

what is the equivalent of 22" HH rock ride to zildjian??
which is more versatile?

[aznriceball]

might look at 22" avedis rock ride

equivalent..more versatile?

that just struck me as odd.

[Johan VDS]

im listening to zildjian cymbal clips and i fell inlove wit 22" A medium ride. is that sound accurate??? because in store theres only 20" A med ride and i dunt like the sound it gives...All so called "identical" models sound different. So deciding to order a cymbal based on hearing a soundfile on the website of Zildjian or Sabian is a bad idea. The cymbal you will get is a different one and will probably sound different to even extremely different. So go the shop and listen to what's there and pick the one you like.

[Aaron]

Woah, welcome to MX man! I love you already!!

[Johan VDS]

Thanks, how come ?

[Aaron]

Rare to see an educated, intellegent first post. Welcome!

[ludvista29]

Johan, Arent you the one who makes crappy cymbals in to awesome complex cymbals.

[Aaron]

What are people's opinion of this for a cymbal setup:

8", 10" and 12" Wuhan Traditional Splashes
10" AA Splash
13" K/Z Hats
16" and 18" K Custom Special Dry Crash
22" K Heavy Ride
20" Paiste Dimensions Medium Raw Crash [8" Sabian PRO Splash stack on bell]
22" Wuhan Traditional China
14" Wuhan Traditional China with 12" Wuhan Traditional Splash inverted inside

[ludvista29]

awesome but you need a 17 crash, its missing one.....

[Johan VDS]

Johan, Arent you the one who makes crappy cymbals in to awesome complex cymbalsThat's one of the things I do yes.

But I mostly hammer good quality factory cymbals into much richer sounding cymbals. Let's say that I do the things that are not done in the factories anymore (although they claim the opposite).

Basically I want to re-create the really dark complex old turkish K-sound. Not only in light jazz cymbals, but also in heavier rock-oriented cymbals.

Modern Zildjian K's, Sabian HH's, Paiste Traditionals lack the real darkness and complexity I'm after. To me most sound too one-directional and sterile. Turkish handhammered cymbals are much more to my liking, but they're a hit and miss because although they may still be shaped by handhammering, they are rarely well-tuned (or in tune with themselves) and often have unplayable areas.

The cymbals I've hammered can be seen and heard on my webindex page (http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/).

Some "before and after modification" files can be heard HERE (http://jvds.byethost15.com/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/).

Some of the "crappy" cymbals you mentioned that I hammered into professional cymbals are HERE (http://jvds.byethost15.com/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/).



This was a Paiste Signature Power ride, now sounding like the old Tony Williams ride.(Here's a SOUNDFILE (http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/5_NEFERTITI_RIDES_and_related/22_Complex_Dark_Ride_2970_gr_(from_Paiste_Signatur e).mp3))
http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/1_RECREATED_CUSTOM_CYMBALS/5_NEFERTITI_RIDES_and_related/22_Complex_Dark_Ride_2970_gr_(from_Paiste_Signatur e).jpg



This was a Zildjian ZBT 20" ride, now a very complex thin jazz ride (here's a "before and after" (http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/ZBT_Zildjian_conversion_to_professional_light_jazz _cymbals/Zildjian_ZBT_20_ride_before_and_after_modification .mp3) clip)
http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/ZBT_Zildjian_conversion_to_professional_light_jazz _cymbals/20_Ride_(From_Zildjian_ZBT).jpg



Here's a "before and after" pic of a cheap 16" Headliner crash cymbal, now a professional dark thin crash (and here's (http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/Headliner_16_crash_before_and_after_modification.m p3)the before and after sound):
http://users.telenet.be/cymbzdrumz/3_BEFORE_AND_AFTER_MODIFICATION/from_AMATEUR_to_PROFESSIONAL_cymbal/Headliner_16_crash_before_and_after_modification.j pg

[billy_spleen]

Hi,

I'm looking to upgrade my Hi-Hats, Main Crash and Ride.
For my Hi-Hats, I want something with a nice "chick" sound when tightly closed, a trashy sort of sound when loosely closed, and a nice sound when open (not the Hi-Hats with a bad sound when open). It's kinda a vague description, but any help is good. I was thinking around $700aud as my budget for these.
For my crash I was thinking maybe a Zildjian K Medium Thin 16" Crash? What does anyone think about this decision, or anyones opinion about the cymbal?
And for the ride, I was thinking about maybe a 21" Sweet Ride, or a K 22" Heavy ride, once again if anyone has any other opinions or suggested it is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advanced.

[Plan B.]

Johan VDS, that's awesome!

I've always wanted to do that. Seems like a super cheap way to get a great sounding cymbal with a little bit of work.

Plus I'd name mine super wild names.

:lol:

[Zildjian]

I was inbetween a 22" K heavy or a 20" K custom hybride ride. What are your options on hybrids? Are they versitile?? Because i can only hear 1 sound clip of them.

What are some other rides I should look at? I really am open to suggestions

[Aaron]

Hi,

I'm looking to upgrade my Hi-Hats, Main Crash and Ride.
For my Hi-Hats, I want something with a nice "chick" sound when tightly closed, a trashy sort of sound when loosely closed, and a nice sound when open (not the Hi-Hats with a bad sound when open). It's kinda a vague description, but any help is good. I was thinking around $700aud as my budget for these.
For my crash I was thinking maybe a Zildjian K Medium Thin 16" Crash? What does anyone think about this decision, or anyones opinion about the cymbal?
And for the ride, I was thinking about maybe a 21" Sweet Ride, or a K 22" Heavy ride, once again if anyone has any other opinions or suggested it is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advanced.

I'm sorry to say, but your budget wont cut it man. the K Heavy is about $600 on its own. You could get some second hand stuff at a drum store like Billy Hydes for about that range though.

[billy_spleen]

I'm sorry to say, but your budget wont cut it man. the K Heavy is about $600 on its own. You could get some second hand stuff at a drum store like Billy Hydes for about that range though.

Oh, sorry, nah i meant about $700 just for the hats.... the rest i don't really care.... my total budget is arounf $1500aud or so?:thumb:

[Aaron]

For that then I'd suggest:

13" K Mastersounds
20" K Heavy Ride
17" K Medium-Thin Crash

I whore Ks I know, but they're pretty versitile.

[saars]

So, I'm looking for a pair of hi hats that fit this description: Not too bright, not too dark. Probably a little more on the bright side though. I want a really crisp "chick" that cuts through. I've been looking into the k mastersounds, but they're so damn expensive. My budget would most likely be around 200-250 USD. Ebay would do me some good, but I still have to sign up.

[aznriceball]

I'm gonna go with...extremely dirty 14" aax stage hats, brilliant finish..

[billy_spleen]

For that then I'd suggest:

13" K Mastersounds
20" K Heavy Ride
17" K Medium-Thin Crash

I whore Ks I know, but they're pretty versitile.

Yeh, i know, K's Rock, thanks for the help:thumb: i'll have a look next time i'm "shopping"

[Johan VDS]

Johan VDS, that's awesome!

I've always wanted to do that. Seems like a super cheap way to get a great sounding cymbal with a little bit of work. Forget about that "little" bit of work, it's hours of :smash: work !

[Quinto]

looked like it^. but according to my friend if you had the right smithing tools it wouldnt be too hard to do most of the stuff you did to them

[not fishbulb]

I want a ride cymbal with no wash at all. I don't know if i like dark or dry rides, so i can't tell you that.

[Tim]

AA dry ride? any heavy ride pretty much.

[Chester]

I want a ride cymbal with no wash at all. I don't know if i like dark or dry rides, so i can't tell you that.
zildjian earth ride?
haha pretty much no wash at all.

[We_Love_Lime]

I think I'm getting a 18 A CIE Vintage crash to match my current 16 of the same model, But I'm looking at some hats.

I've come up with a variety of choices.

Something along the lines of:

2 14 A Fast Crashs

15 K Hats.

14/13 Constonoples or 14 CIE Vintage hats.

Basically looking for a mellow/reggaeish type of hat.

[not fishbulb]

zildjian earth ride?
haha pretty much no wash at all.

Yeah, somebody made a thread on it and i listened to sound samples. Although no wash at all, to me the ping sounded really dull and crappy.

So i'll check out any heavy rides.Thanks.

[Plan B.]

Forget about that "little" bit of work, it's hours of :smash: work !


Yes you're right, but when it's a labour of LOVE the time flies!

:lol:

[hargraves]

hi, i need help choosing between a 16" crash or an 18" crash when i play aminly rock and hard rock like AC/DC
thankx

[Tim]

go with an 18

[Chris]

Im looking for a dark, 'mellow', trashing sounding china, and it has to be 'musical'.

[Drum Phil]

18" Hhx?

[Chris]

I like that sound, ummm, so far it is between that and a 17'' Zildjian dark China

[Drum Phil]

Zildjian oriental classic?

[We_Love_Lime]

K China.

Sounds Brilliant.

[Ethan.]

What do Paiste PST5s sound like? Are they worth the money? I heard they are a good value.

[We_Love_Lime]

I think I'm getting a 18 A CIE Vintage crash to match my current 16 of the same model, But I'm looking at some hats.

I've come up with a variety of choices.

Something along the lines of:

2 14 A Fast Crashs

15 K Hats.

14/13 Constonoples or 14 CIE Vintage hats.

Basically looking for a mellow/reggaeish type of hat.


Interesting.

Is there a question involved in this post? Or are you just being a jerk?

[We_Love_Lime]

Interesting.

Is there a question involved in this post? Or are you just being a jerk?

Oh yeah...

Anybody have any other suggestions/comments?

[HeLLmO]

What do Paiste PST5s sound like? Are they worth the money? I heard they are a good value.
they are really good


what's a good pair of hats for ska?

[Quinto]

zbts are reall goood for anything

[Chris]

zbts are reall goood for anything

Sure they are :rolleyes:

[Drum Phil]

they are really good


what's a good pair of hats for ska?

Im thinking something along the lines of K Mastersounds. Whatever it is it has to be mastersound/soundedge/whatever cause ska uses a lot of foot-hat work.

[rustydrummer]

I have about 180 to 200 pounds sterling to spend on hi hats and I have been sniffing around Zildjian K customs as I hear good things about them. I have a 15" K custom fast crash which I love and a 18" K custom special dry crash which I cant get the best out of. The K custom range seems to be pretty neat. I play a bit of rock and metal mostly but also play various other types. My favourite drummer however is Chad Smith and I noticed that he uses AA Sabians and I like the sound that he gets from them. Can anyone give me advice what I should do I can get the Sabian AA rock hi hats for about 180 and if I spend slightly over the 200 I can pick up some Zildjian K or K custom hi hats. my brain is shattered trying to evaluate each ones for what i use etc

[HeLLmO]

Im thinking something along the lines of K Mastersounds. Whatever it is it has to be mastersound/soundedge/whatever cause ska uses a lot of foot-hat work.

yea, i was definatly thinkin' 13'' brilliant K Mastersounds

[Aaron]

13" K Custom Special Dry Top/13" K Custom Mastersound Bottom; dry and tight.

[We_Love_Lime]

I have about 180 to 200 pounds sterling to spend on hi hats and I have been sniffing around Zildjian K customs as I hear good things about them. I have a 15" K custom fast crash which I love and a 18" K custom special dry crash which I cant get the best out of. The K custom range seems to be pretty neat. I play a bit of rock and metal mostly but also play various other types. My favourite drummer however is Chad Smith and I noticed that he uses AA Sabians and I like the sound that he gets from them. Can anyone give me advice what I should do I can get the Sabian AA rock hi hats for about 180 and if I spend slightly over the 200 I can pick up some Zildjian K or K custom hi hats. my brain is shattered trying to evaluate each ones for what i use etc

He uses AA-Xcelerators does he not?

Yeah he also has his own custom crash cymbals, but your looking for high hats.

Meh...

[rustydrummer]

I read on a chad smith website that it was Sabian AA just, perhaps you are right, if anyone else can clear this up it would be much appreciatd. The website i seen it on was not a official website for chad so the info could be wrong.

[HeLLmO]

13" K Custom Special Dry Top/13" K Custom Mastersound Bottom; dry and tight.

sweet, i'll look into those

[HeLLmO]

He uses AA-Xcelerators does he not?

Yeah he also has his own custom crash cymbals, but your looking for high hats.

Meh...


i think chad is using AAX fusion hats these days though. i don't think sabian updates their site too often

[terry_bozzio_wanna_be]

what would be suitable (preferably from the sabian line) replacements for a 16" paiste singature full crash and a 16" paiste singature power crash, and yes i know they are completly different types of cymbals, but what are the closest sounding cymbals iu can get (again, preferably from the sabian line, but zildjian ok too)

[We_Love_Lime]

i think chad is using AAX fusion hats these days though. i don't think sabian updates their site too often

Heh I wouldn't know.

RHCP Guru ;).

[HeLLmO]

Heh I wouldn't know.

RHCP Guru ;).

haha. not really. i get my info from www.chad-smith.net

[terry_bozzio_wanna_be]

what would be suitable (preferably from the sabian line) replacements for a 16" paiste singature full crash and a 16" paiste singature power crash, and yes i know they are completly different types of cymbals, but what are the closest sounding cymbals iu can get (again, preferably from the sabian line, but zildjian ok too)

???

[HeLLmO]

look at sabian HHX maybe? like an HHX Stage Crash and an HHX Studio Crash, or an HHX stage crash and an HHXplosion crash

2112th post-dig that all my rush fans out there

[Time]

how are paiste 2002 heavy hi hats? i found a pair on ebay for $40.

[HeLLmO]

buy 'em now

[enishi]

hey im confused, i just ordered 20" K heavy ride for 279.95$ to massmusic.net but they emailed me i must add addtional 120$ for shipping because they cant ship here in the philippines unless i pay 120$ so total of 399.95$ O_O
in our local music store theres no K heavy existing.
im thinking of another way, i went to our local store and i saw this 22" paragon ride for 310$ and 20" K custom dark ride, its washy and i think i dont like it.,AAX stage ride. not sure about this. now im confused for what im going to buy,

is it worth if i go to K heavy or just go get the paragon ride? or other?
i like the sound of paragon ride too buy i think the bell is pretty loud,is it?it might cover some.
what u think guys?

[Tim]

go for the paragon. you wont be dissapointed. its a nice heavy ride. that things awesome.

[weed_makes_me_faster]

i like the stage ride better, but if you were going for a K heavy, then Paragon is just as good.

[enishi]

i like the stage ride better, but if you were going for a K heavy, then Paragon is just as good.


sorry sorry what i meant is studio ride. sorry.:chug:

[enishi]

go for the paragon. you wont be dissapointed. its a nice heavy ride. that things awesome.

im afraid the bell would be too loud.. is it? well i better try it myself but before they get it im must pay half for its price WTF!!:smash: how can i test it?? pls help guys!!i need opinios!

[weed_makes_me_faster]

OK.........
my final decision on cymbals... kinda.
Sabian AA 13'' regular hats!!! YES! you can't stop me!!!

so the ride part confuses me....
Meinl Amun 20'' medium ride
or
Sabian AAX 20'' stage ride

[enishi]

stage ride

[HeLLmO]

if u want a ride u can crash get the 21'' stage ride, because it owns the 20'' in everyway, but if u don't crash your ride, get the Amun, simply amazing rides. i have one and i love it to death

[weed_makes_me_faster]

i liked the 20'' better it had a bit more wash, the 21'' was a bit too pingy for my taste, yeah i do crash my ride and the 20'' was crashable, but the problem is - Meinl in one shop, Sabian in another, so that sucks.

[Rilez]

I want a ride with great ping and definition with minimal overtones. Thanks.

[Drum Phil]

22" Sabian Paragon
20" Zildjian A Earth Ride

[Tim]

go with the paragon. that things awesome. i picked an AA raw bell dry ride over it though. :D