*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[punkrocker2o1]

I basically play every type of music and I was looking at the 13" K/Z Dyno Beats or New Beats..Anyone know which hi-hats are very versatile and can be used for most types of music?

3000th response in Cymbal Finder :chug: :p

[HeLLmO]

both hats would be good i think. which ever one u urself prefer would be the best to go with

[ludvista29]

in the future im thinking of adding these cymbals
20 k hybrid ride
17 k hybrid crash
19 k hybrid crash
11 K hybrid splash
9 K hybrid splash
13 K mastersound hats
10 A splash
12 A splash
Paiste Flanger bell
What do you think of these cymbals?

[aznriceball]

iv not had a chance to try out the hybrids yet (they're out already?), but the 10 and 12 a splashes work reallllly well, less uniqueness than maybe a 6" a custom or a 8" wuhan. they're on the level of new beats, good for anything :)

[Chester]

hmm, dont know much about those new hybrids, but i love the A splashes

[FL3P]

You dont even know what the Hybrids really sound like or if they are the right cymbals for you. Wait till you here them and then decide, just cause they are the new thing and look cool doesnt mean they are what you need.

[full collapse]

The 20" K Hybrid ride sounds sooo nice on the site, though. I'm probably going to buy to use for just a crash.

[Seafroggys]

I basically play every type of music and I was looking at the 13" K/Z Dyno Beats or New Beats..Anyone know which hi-hats are very versatile and can be used for most types of music?

3000th response in Cymbal Finder :chug: :p

New Beats

[Double Bass Jim]

Copy and paste ^? :lol:

[Seafroggys]

naw, I'm a fast enough typer.....CNTL + V slows me down too much!

[ludvista29]

You dont even know what the Hybrids really sound like or if they are the right cymbals for you. Wait till you here them and then decide, just cause they are the new thing and look cool doesnt mean they are what you need.
i've listened to them to the site....but I'm still not sure of the line yet but I'm looking at those sizes.

[WarHammer]

You dont even know what the Hybrids really sound like or if they are the right cymbals for you. Wait till you here them and then decide, just cause they are the new thing and look cool doesnt mean they are what you need.

I've heard the Hybrids up at PASIC, and they were very versitile. They can get to really high volumes, but sound equally as good at low volumes.

[FL3P]

They come across as pretty dry from the sound of the clips, how were they up close?

[saars]

good versatile splash=10inch sabian AA splash. GC doesnt carry AA but they will order it for you. I would jsut order it from massmusic if i was you if youre going sabians.

FIRST QUESTION: trad or brilliant for the splash?

SECOND QUESTION: Zildjian A custom ping ride or A series sweet ride?

[Tim]

IMO A custom rides suck. If you want a ping i think you would be better of getting the reg A ping.

[saars]

nah, those are my only choices cause someone is giving me a choice of those. So, I'll buy the sweet ride!:)

[Locke]

FIRST QUESTION: trad or brilliant for the splash?

SECOND QUESTION: Zildjian A custom ping ride or A series sweet ride?


Sweet ride, you won't regret it. I fooking love mine.

Edit to PunkRocker: I have the 13" K/Z's got them a few days ago *will post pics soon* and they are sex. Sound fantastic the click is great sounds fantastic when playing 12/8.

[Tim]

if its AA id say go for the trad.

[Zildjian]

IMO A custom rides suck. If you want a ping i think you would be better of getting the reg A ping.

I agree..My ping ride is amaizing.

[GhostGrooveMike]

i just need to know i nice deep dark crash that isnt over $150

[saars]

I believe a 17" HHX stage crash cymbal goes for 159.99 USD. check out the sabian site for sound clips. I love it, you would probably love it too. yeah, I went over 9 bucks, but that's ok, you just save 9 more dollars!

[FL3P]

IMO A custom rides suck. If you want a ping i think you would be better of getting the reg A ping.

I've tried the A Custom ping ride and wasn't overly impressed but I have the A Custom medium ride and it seems to be an underrated ride.

[straycat101]

question... do you think i should: A. Upgrade my crash to a cast cymbal. or B. buy a nice wuhan china/splash combo.
im not sure myself...

[chewaz]

K heavy ride = HH heavy ride??' answers plz

[Tim]

I've tried the A Custom ping ride and wasn't overly impressed but I have the A Custom medium ride and it seems to be an underrated ride.

Actually yeah youre right. I think thats the only ride from A custom thats a good one. I went to stockdale Music last nite after dinner at outback steakhouse and Wanted to try some cymbals and the medium wasnt too bad. Didnt get to try it on a kit though i just tried it by itself. I also tried some stagg stuff. thats the only store if seen with stagg cymbals. One of the rides I really really Liked but i cant remember what it was called. Im not too familiar with staggs excpet their chinas and splashes. It was a 22inch ride though thats all i remember.

[HeLLmO]

^god i love the outback, what did u have? they have the sickest bacon cheese fries

[Tim]

^god i love the outback, what did u have? they have the sickest bacon cheese fries

ummm i had a 12oz steak medium well cooked and some mashed potatoes with some potato soup(that was really good) and the little appetizer bread that they bring you. I also ate some fries too that my dad took forever eating. haha. totally off topic haha. In cymbal news though I am still looking for which Ride i want. Thats why im going to buy the snare first so I have more time deciding which ride i want. It will probably be something from the AA line though.

[saars]

holy crap, it's lunch time and you guys got me starving!!! I don't like you...





OK, now we go back on topic:p

[HeLLmO]

ummm i had a 12oz steak medium well cooked and some mashed potatoes with some potato soup(that was really good) and the little appetizer bread that they bring you. I also ate some fries too that my dad took forever eating. haha. totally off topic haha. In cymbal news though I am still looking for which Ride i want. Thats why im going to buy the snare first so I have more time deciding which ride i want. It will probably be something from the AA line though.

AA line. wait for that raw dry bell ride :)

[chewaz]

AHHHHHHHH!!! crap! answer plz!
K Heavy ride = HH heavy ride?

[FL3P]

Go to the sites and listen to the clips. I would say thats true but you should listen for yourself.

[chewaz]

wow, your mean that for my question right? cuz i did that and they almost sound the same not many differences, :P well sabian is cheaper, but zre they both pingy? i have this idea that HH have loud volume and they won't work good on stage, :S

[FL3P]

They should both be fairly dark and have a nice ping.

[full collapse]

Right now I have a 21" AA Dry ride and i'm looking for something with a bigger bell, a bit more stick definition and just a little louder and cutting overall really. More presence... No price restriction or brand preference.

[static]

I am an intermediate player (4+ years) and I have really crappy Pearl Hi-Hats. I am looking for something that I won't have to replace and have a nice smooth sound to them, somewhat jazzy. I've been looking mainly into Zildjian ones, but any recommendations would be nice. Any price range, any size.

[HeLLmO]

^look at sabian HHX, i think the manhatan hats may be good for u. zildjian K's would probably be good too

[obscene army]

Manhattans are pure sex.

[eisle89]

I'd like to thank everyone that help me choose the AAX Stage hats, got them in today and they sound great. You also suggested for me to get my 21" AA Rock Ride which also was the sound I was looking for. So since this thread is batting 1000 for me I have another request. I have 18" and 16" AAXplosion crashes, the 16" I really like but would like to change the 18" to a crash with a little more sustain. Maybe an AA med or AAX stage ?? something that would compliment my setup ...... TIA

[Plan B.]

Sabian for sure?

[Tim]

go with the AA medium. For sure. Great crashes those are.

[Chester]

AA medium and AAX stage crashes are both really nice for a great price, try them out for yourself and see what you think is better

wow, i want like the same exact cymbals, i have 14" stage hats and 16" AAX stage crash and want to replace my ride with a 21" rock ride adn get either another AAX stage crash or an AA...

[static]

OK guys, I am looking for a nice and crisp ride. Very jazzy, with a light tone and feel to it, but it also has to be able to crash and get loud for more metal playing. Help?

[FL3P]

I feel like such a whore but I think the A Custom medium ride would work. I think a sweet ride ight be an option too.

[spirit]

OK guys, I am looking for a nice and crisp ride. Very jazzy, with a light tone and feel to it, but it also has to be able to crash and get loud for more metal playing. Help?

I think an HH Raw Bell Dry Ride could also work pretty well there.

[We_Love_Lime]

I am an intermediate player (4+ years) and I have really crappy Pearl Hi-Hats. I am looking for something that I won't have to replace and have a nice smooth sound to them, somewhat jazzy. I've been looking mainly into Zildjian ones, but any recommendations would be nice. Any price range, any size.


Zildjian CIE Vintage 14 Hats...

[fatcow2000]

find me some cymbals... okay, im looking at all brands.

currently using:

a custom sweet ride
avedis new beat hats
wuhan china

currently broken:

z custom rock crash
z custom projection crash
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i need two new crashes, preferably medium weight... heavy is well... too dense.

help!

[saars]

just remember not to buy Z customs.:thumb:

[fatcow2000]

just remember not to buy Z customs.:thumb:

haha, yea i bought them when i was going through a travis barker phase.

bad idea. (live and learn)

[HeLLmO]

check out sabian AA medium crashes, they are really sick

[Drum Phil]

Or AAXPlosions

[chewaz]

check out sabian AA medium crashes, they are really sick

omg poor cymbals, they sould go to a doctor

[full collapse]

Right now I have a 21" AA Dry ride and i'm looking for something with a bigger bell, a bit more stick definition and just a little louder and cutting overall really. More presence... No price restriction or brand preference.

Anybody....?

[chewaz]

Anybody....?

maybe the AA raw bell dry ride,

[Jomofo]

Anybody....?

The way it sounds, it seems like the AA Raw Bell Dry Ride would be suiting, just like he said.

[chewaz]

will an AA regular 14" over an AAX xcelerator 14" sound good? or will it make ringy noises?

[Tim]

will an AA regular 14" over an AAX xcelerator 14" sound good? or will it make ringy noises?

The AA regular hats and the AAX stage hats are so similar that it would probably sound the same as xcelerator hats. The xcelerator top is pretty much like the stage top. medium in weight. The difference being that xcelerators i dont think come in brilliant finish. Ive never seen them in brilliant. Youre better off jsut getting xcelerators or stage hats. Save the trouble of ordering 2 sepereat cymbals.

[chewaz]

what i meant to do was, im gettin the AA regular so i can buy a aax-xcelerator bottom, and have like two different tipes of hats

[Tim]

so youre going to buy the AA pair and then the xcelerator bottom too so youre having like 3 hats? so you can pair them differently?

[chewaz]

yeah! me smart (right?)

[Tim]

Well theres nothing wrong with trying it out. If you dont like it then you can buy another hi hat and just keep trying new combos.

[Metalftw]

Hey guys!

I don't like the crash I've got now, it's more like a jazz-crash in my opinion. I would like to have something that more fits to Heavy metal beats and such.
What do you think I need? :naughty:

[CasB]

Paiste Rude :p

[aznriceball]

Hey guys!

I don't like the crash I've got now, it's more like a jazz-crash in my opinion. I would like to have something that more fits to Heavy metal beats and such.
What do you think I need? :naughty:

whats the crash you have now? my first impulse is to say 16" aaxplosion and 18/19" aaxplosion

[Bullet for My Valentine]

are the meinl classics any good? im currently tryin to upgrade from 101s/solars and i was wonderin what would be best to buy seens im low on funds...im lookin at the sabian AAs or even pro sonix.. any other suggestions owuld be appreciated..

[HeLLmO]

^well, meinl classic crashes are okay, if u get big ones i.e 18''+ but i would definatly go AA or maybe meinl raker over classics and sonix

[Bullet for My Valentine]

oh right thanks.. these are intermediate cymbals i take it?
i may get a mixture of the meinl rakers and the the AAs as i played some AAs at a local music shop and they sounded hot! thanks!

[HeLLmO]

yea AA's and up from sabian are just ungodly amazing, and i belive rakers are meinl's cymbals that are made to be bashed hard, or maybe that is MB20, or it could be both, but rakers are pretty good

[Bullet for My Valentine]

thanks alot dude

[chewaz]

the AA fusion has a HH bottom? and the AA sizzle hats have a vented bottom?

[HeLLmO]

thanks alot dude

no problem man.

as for AA fusion having an HH bottom i do not know, but i do know the sizzle hats are vented on the bottom

[FullMoon]

im looking for a splash with a real washy sound any suggestions

[Seafroggys]

a bigger splash, 12" or so.

[dark_sunglasses2002]

I am a beginning drummer. I recently started playing with a band and am looking to add-on to my current cymbal setup.
I have Zildijan ZBT 20" ride, 18" & 16" crash, & 14" High-hats.
I play mostly Rock & Country.
I am looking a getting a splash, china, & fast crash. Any suggestions.
I don't have much to spend...I was looking at Wuhan for the splash & china.

Hit me with it....

[Chester]

well, id replace all your cymblas first

not to poke fun, but a kit with more than 3 or 4 zbt's is just ugly and a waste of money

go big.

[Tim]

I am a beginning drummer. I recently started playing with a band and am looking to add-on to my current cymbal setup.
I have Zildijan ZBT 20" ride, 18" & 16" crash, & 14" High-hats.
I play mostly Rock & Country.
I am looking a getting a splash, china, & fast crash. Any suggestions.
I don't have much to spend...I was looking at Wuhan for the splash & china.

Hit me with it....

seeing how you play both rock and country you might want to look into something from the K series for crashes from zildjian. From sabian, look into something like the Hand Hammered series or HHX. You will probably for crashes want something like medium or medium thin in size as it will be more versatile.

[Chester]

yea, you would want to get versatile cymbals, Ks and HHs would be good, but As and AAs wouldnt be bad either, u kinda have a lotta options for that genre

[HeLLmO]

i think Meinl Byzance may work for that guy too, those are sick cymbals

[440561]

Im looking for a set/pack of cymbals that are decent sounding, I play rock/indie music with my band and I found these on ebay: Click Here (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SABIAN-B8-cymbal-set-free-cymbals-free-cymbal-bag_W0QQitemZ7390859475QQcategoryZ38097QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
The kit I have came with one cymbal which I really don't like the sound of and a crap pair of Hi-Hats which sound terrible. Would this pack be any good as I need cymbals urgently, especially Ride and Hi-Hats.

Thanks in advance.

[Little Android Man]

Wuhan Traditional & Rock Splash???

i dont have a lot of experience with wuhans, but i saw them on musicians friend and im tryin to find some splashes and im wonderin if they are any good

[Tim]

Wuhan Traditional & Rock Splash???

i dont have a lot of experience with wuhans, but i saw them on musicians friend and im tryin to find some splashes and im wonderin if they are any good

Very good splashes. Excellent for the price.

[LostRythym]

Okay...erm...i need to get rid of my 302 and i have been thinking about a 16" AAX Stage Crash. Im not too sure about it though,so i need help from you guys. I want a sort of bright shimerring(sp?) crash, that is forceful and something versatile, but can be used in rock too.(music like The Darkness,Iron Maiden,RHCP,Van Halen) Thanks.

[HeLLmO]

^AAX stage would probably be good, look into sabian Vault too

[Drum Phil]

AAXplosion or vault

[spirit]

A Custom, Vault, AA, AAX, Maybe A.

[Tim]

AAXplosion

definately

[chewaz]

i want a hi hat that i can use for jazz, funk and rock, i was thinking the HH fusion 14" or the AA regular 14" or the AAX-xcelerator 14", any other ideas? i want a really funky "zzzz" when using the pedal

[Seafroggys]

i want a hi hat that i can use for jazz, funk and rock, i was thinking the HH fusion 14" or the AA regular 14" or the AAX-xcelerator 14", any other ideas? i want a really funky "zzzz" when using the pedal

New Beats

[Tim]

AAX stage hats

totally.

[440561]

Im looking for a set/pack of cymbals that are decent sounding, I play rock/indie music with my band and I found these on ebay: Click Here (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SABIAN-B8-cymbal-set-free-cymbals-free-cymbal-bag_W0QQitemZ7390859475QQcategoryZ38097QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
The kit I have came with one cymbal which I really don't like the sound of and a crap pair of Hi-Hats which sound terrible. Would this pack be any good? I need cymbals urgently, especially Ride and Hi-Hats.

Thanks in advance.
Anyone know?

[Drum Phil]

We told you already, B8's arent worth it. Open your ears.

[440561]

Ok, thanks, I didn't see that!

[KillerCrunchie]

any of these good-
sabian 18" china crash £30
Sabian AAX 16" Studio Crash Cymbal
Sabian AAX 17" Dark Crash Cymbal
Zildjian 16" K Custom Dark crash cymbal £51
K Zildjian china boy £50

[Drum Phil]

All except the aax dark. What series is the 18" China crash?

[KillerCrunchie]

dont say

[Bloodlust]

ok two questions

How are the AAX X-celorators? What Zildjian hi hats would you compare them to?

And what is a good sabian ride that has good crashability? I was looking at the AA rock ride. Any other suggestions?

[HeLLmO]

lets see, i think briliant finish AAX-Celerators would probably compare to A custom master sounds, as for the rides, i know sabians AAX stage ride is really crashable, but the AA rock ride is a good ride too, even though i'm not sure of it's crash

[Tim]

ok two questions

How are the AAX X-celorators? What Zildjian hi hats would you compare them to?

And what is a good sabian ride that has good crashability? I was looking at the AA rock ride. Any other suggestions?

if you want crashability do not get the AA rock ride. Get something a bit thinner with more wash like the AAX stage crash. Or the AA medium.

[Bloodlust]

do you guys know what kind of ride the drummer from Coheed and Cambria uses? Its a AA something.

[HeLLmO]

i'm pretty sure josh eppard uses an AA Metal X ride, i think it's a 20'' but i'm not totally sure

[Chester]

i have an 20" AAX stage ride, and i think it sounds better as a crash than a ride lol

well, its a decent ride, just not exactly what i want, but its good for me right now cuz i dont have a second crash, so i use that too.

so yea, really look into that one

[HeLLmO]

^i hear the 20'' AAX stage rides have a ton of wash, but the 21''s are better

[CombatWombat3]

I think the drummer from the Darkness uses a 21" sweet ride as a crash.

[HeLLmO]

i think Wuv from POD does too, and i think Taylor Hawkins used to. and whatever ride Brad wilk used to use when he had zildjians(i know it was an A, just not sure on the kind) had a nice crash to it

[chewaz]

i want a hi hat that i can use for jazz, funk and rock, i was thinking the HH fusion 14" or the AA regular 14" or the AAX-xcelerator 14", any other ideas? i want a really funky "zzzz" when using the pedal
ANYONE?

[aznriceball]

dare i say it.. 13" hhx groove hats

[Seafroggys]

ANYONE?

I already told you, New Beats

[chewaz]

I already told you, New Beats

yah i know but i want other opinions, :P

[KillerCrunchie]

are sabian pro sonix 18'' stage crashes any good?? please help

[bobby__johnny]

i've played a 16"....SUPER bright....will be perfect if your playing live and unmiced

[Drum Phil]

Ive got a 15" Sonix crash and its awesome

[Seafroggys]

yah i know but i want other opinions, :P

there are no other opinions....

the only opinion is New Beats

[HeLLmO]

^dude, plz give the new beat plugs a rest. sure new beats are great hats, but i personally would rather have some k/z's or some HHX groove hats

[Seafroggys]

but i personally would rather have some k/z's or some HHX groove hats

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/seafroggys/orly.jpg

[styler]

i havent decided if that owl pisses me off or not.

[HeLLmO]

^neither have i, but it is sorta funny. sorta

[chewaz]

^dude, plz give the new beat plugs a rest. sure new beats are great hats, but i personally would rather have some k/z's or some HHX groove hats

and AA regulars?? good?

[HeLLmO]

i like 'em, i personally am gonna get some 15'' AA regulars but the 14''s are good too

[Chester]

AA regulars are fine, try them for yourself and see what YOU like.
What if some1's favorite cymbal on here is one you hate, once you get ot the pro level cymbals, most of what matters is preference, unles your stupid and get Z customs.

[HeLLmO]

haha ya, bad z customs(except the rides), but yea, AA regulars are good but definatly try other stuff, like u may go to ur store and try AAX-celerators and like them better, or even new beats

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

i like 'em, i personally am gonna get some 15'' AA regulars but the 14''s are good too

Yeah i think the 15" 1's are better

[HeLLmO]

yea, i love me some big hi hats. i think i'm gonna get those and put them as x hats on the right side of my kit then use 14'' K/Zs on the left side

[chewaz]

ok, but a 15" kinda of big if i'm going to play jazz aswell on it (i's use it for rock and funk mainly), i tried the regulars of a friend of mine, and they were nice, but i havent played the aaxcelerator and i dont think i can.
And another question the HH heavy ride 22" i'm thinking using it for rock and funk, but is it good for jazz too?

[HeLLmO]

yea, the 15''s maybe a bit big for jazz, and i do like the HH heavy ride, haven't tried it in a jazz setting though, i can't see how that would be helpful to u, but try it out urself

[punkrocker2o1]

Simple question. Are Zildjian K Special K/Z Hi-Hats and the K/Z Dyno-Beat Hi-Hats the same things just with different names?

[oliv_da_skinmasher]

I don't belive so i think they are named similar but most probably sound different

[FL3P]

Simple question. Are Zildjian K Special K/Z Hi-Hats and the K/Z Dyno-Beat Hi-Hats the same things just with different names?

Actually I think that is just two different ways of wording it depending on what series you are focusing on.

[Time]

What do you people think of K Custom Session Rides?

[HeLLmO]

they're pretty damn good

[Drummer Freak 911]

Decent Sabian,wuhang, or zildjian crash and ride cymbals.
The ride and crash cymbals together under $230?

[HeLLmO]

look into sabian AA and AAX on massmusic, i'm not sure if u can get them both for $230, but i think u can get close. look at AA medium crashes, AAX stage and AAXplosion crashes, and for rides, AA has so many sick rides u should just go to www.sabian.com and listen to all the sound clips

[Drummer Freak 911]

opinions on Sabian B8s? :confused:

[aznriceball]

eh, budget cymbals. not great, not tooo bad. but easily owned by wuhans, pro sonix, etc

[HeLLmO]

yea, pro sonix may be worth a look, they are cheaper than AA/AAX, and they are still good cymbals

[Drummer Freak 911]

I'm liking the Sabian XS20 cymbals

[Cocaberry]

I'm liking the Sabian XS20 cymbals

I used to like them too. Then I upgraded to AAs/AAXs and realised why buying XS20s was a mistake.

[HeLLmO]

get either Pro Sonix or AA/AAX, don't bother with anything below that

[Thrashmother]

Know about a ride that canbe used for metal and punk? I was thinking gud quality, price not an issue. Cheers

[HeLLmO]

look into some of the Zildjian A and A custom rides, then look at sabian AA/AAX and HHX rides. then maybe paiste 2oo2

[Tim]

Know about a ride that canbe used for metal and punk? I was thinking gud quality, price not an issue. Cheers


AA rock ride, AAX metal ride (dont be confused with the aa metal x. ) zildjian A ping ride.

[Icky_Mettle]

How are 16'' A Custom fast crashes? I'm getting my set and thinking about bidding on this (http://cgi.ebay.com/Zildjian-A-Custom-16-Fast-Crash-paiste-sabian-ride_W0QQitemZ7393334248QQcategoryZ41444QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem), looks incredibly sexy


By the way, I wanna play rock and jazz....well, I guess I want a versatile crash. is that a good one?

[HeLLmO]

it will definatly work for rock, and probably for jazz too

[bobby__johnny]

Know about a ride that canbe used for metal and punk? I was thinking gud quality, price not an issue. Cheers

i'd say AA Medium-heavy ride

[Drum Phil]

Any heavy ride.

[Time]

I want to get a K Custom ride, but I can't decide on one. Which is the best? I play rock and lots of other stuff. Also, how is the A custom ping ride?

[aznriceball]

the a custom is gonna be very mashy and pingy! bright at its best, but you'll have to try them out. i wouldnt say a K custom right now for rock, but you might like some of the a rock rides

[mullets suk]

hey guys im lookin for a new cymbal, in the prics range of 150$ more or less (preferberly less) and i was lookin for something loud, low and somethin that can sustain for a good period of time. i have a zbt ride cymbal i may end up using for a crash, cause i want to get a jazz ride (or at lest a light weight ride) the problem with the zbt is that it seems to low, but yea.

if ur wonderin (which u airnt) im usin a planet z HH, zbt HH, and a zbt crash as crash cymbals, so i just want one low soundin crash (also no splashes)

thaks

[Icky_Mettle]

hey guys im lookin for a new cymbal, in the prics range of 150$ more or less (preferberly less) and i was lookin for something loud, low and somethin that can sustain for a good period of time. i have a zbt ride cymbal i may end up using for a crash, cause i want to get a jazz ride (or at lest a light weight ride) the problem with the zbt is that it seems to low, but yea.

if ur wonderin (which u airnt) im usin a planet z HH, zbt HH, and a zbt crash as crash cymbals, so i just want one low soundin crash (also no splashes)

thaks
ok, well if you want something loud go for Sabian AA rock crash, but you can probably find an A Custom crash that'll also do the trick, the AA rock crash is probably cheaper. If you're a brand fanboy, you could go either way....not sure about a paiste in that price level.

[Schism666]

hey guys im lookin for a new cymbal, in the prics range of 150$ more or less (preferberly less) and i was lookin for something loud, low and somethin that can sustain for a good period of time. i have a zbt ride cymbal i may end up using for a crash, cause i want to get a jazz ride (or at lest a light weight ride) the problem with the zbt is that it seems to low, but yea.

if ur wonderin (which u airnt) im usin a planet z HH, zbt HH, and a zbt crash as crash cymbals, so i just want one low soundin crash (also no splashes)

thaks


Try a Sabian AA medium crash out, there pretty loud with the right technique. :thumb:

[santi3hg]

hi all,

well ive been saving up for quite a bit now and within the coming months i'll be able to buy around 6-7 cymbals depending on what i decide on. anyways the one thing ive been hardest stuck on deciding with is what ride would i like or fit my style. i do play with bands and i lean in to many directions to decide. i play progressive/post-hardcore/hardcore/experimental(some metal i guess). but i love ride with a nice ping and especially when playing accents on the bell. but to better suit the style, what would you recommend me that has a nice bell tone yet i can crash on just very lightly on and sound good? thanks alot in advance.

[FL3P]

*cough* A Custom Medium ride *cough*

[HeLLmO]

most Zildjian A rides have good crashes. i know sabian AAX stage rides(especially the 21'' version) have good crashes, but their bells aren't amazing.

[flasportsfan88]

hi all,

well ive been saving up for quite a bit now and within the coming months i'll be able to buy around 6-7 cymbals depending on what i decide on. anyways the one thing ive been hardest stuck on deciding with is what ride would i like or fit my style. i do play with bands and i lean in to many directions to decide. i play progressive/post-hardcore/hardcore/experimental(some metal i guess). but i love ride with a nice ping and especially when playing accents on the bell. but to better suit the style, what would you recommend me that has a nice bell tone yet i can crash on just very lightly on and sound good? thanks alot in advance.

The Z Custom Thrash Ride fits that description, but Z customs are frowned apon.

[flasportsfan88]

Can someone tell me what, control means when referering to cymbals, as well as dry, warm and washy

[barttange]

washy --> shjshjshjshj sound
warm --> sonore sound with some sustain
dry --> it can have sustain as long as the tick itself doens't

It sucks explaining this, help me!

[aznriceball]

The Z Custom Thrash Ride fits that description, but Z customs are frowned apon.

I would hardly call it fitting of the description unless you go to the realllly far end of the spectrum in sqagglyness. Have you even tried this ride?

to sant: i would try out a 20" a medium ride, and from there decide what you like. if its too washy, I'd lean towards something like an AA rock ride or a ping ride, or if its too pingy, fall back towards an aax stage ride or an a sweet ride. best tool = try out! and bring a buddy

[santi3hg]

yeah i got my friend to come along, thanks alot ill come back to say my thoughts.

[Drum Phil]

Alright i have a couple of challenges for y'all.

My setups pretty much sorted but i wanna know your ideas for the 2 cymbals im having most trouble with.

Find me the following cymbals :D

A 22" ride with some was, a nice definitive ping and an incredible bell. Some nice controlled overtones but not to the point where it drowns the ping. Preferably heavy.

An 18-22" china. Fiery, explosive attack with some tasteful dark, trashyness and a quick decay.

Preferably sabian, zildjian + paiste considered. Nothing else is easy to get in the UK.

My current ideas are:

22" HH Rock ride
21" Tritop ride

18" HHX China
19" Devastation china
20" Jia china

[Aaron]

22" Paragon Ride and 18" HHX China.
22" K Heavy Ride and 19" K China.

Any of the above two rides with an 18" or 20" Wuhan China.
I also would rate the Paragon Chinas.

[Drum Phil]

Paragon rides a no no, cause i'll be having one of those on my second kit and its not really the sound im after for a main ride. Its not got enough wash.

Wuhans are also no no's cause they're expensive here

[Aaron]

What about the BM Staggs, I heard one ride thats was nice.

[Drum Phil]

Not when you're looking to get the best you can. That K chinas horrible man :|

[Aaron]

i reckon its good as an aux ride. i still say K Heavy and Wuhan.

[TTTSNB]

Could you guys reccomend a good set of jazz hats? Also, a larger ride to compliment my K Custom 20" Dry Ride.

[Drum Phil]

HHX Groove hats? HHX Manhattan Hats? HHX Legacy hats? K Custom Hybrid hats?

Ride.... 22" HH Rock ride? 21" Tri-top ride? 21" HH Raw bell dry ride?

[spirit]

Drum Phil: You gotta hit that 20" HHX Chinese man. It's nice. Maybe not your thing, but check it out. If you like the 18"...

TTTSNB: Jazz Hats? Old or new? Some 1950's A hats may suit you down to a T (or even three T's :)).

Looking to the new, for Sabians, I think you'd have to go for something from the HHX range, maybe the HH range. Check out the HH Dark Hats and HHX Groove Hats. Failing that, use the Sound Check thing, it's pretty easy to navigate: http://www.sabian.com/english/Webmayhem/soundcheck.cfm

Zildjians are a different matter.

Actually, I have to go. I'll finish this later.

[gimp fest]

right, i'm possibly looking for a new crash, all i have is a 16" b8 at the minute, so that has to change.

i was thinking about getting a 14" or 15" meinl amun med, crash. I know all you guys will say go bigger, but i'm not sure.

i play in a funk, pop rocky band and a grindcore band, so i suppose i should go for an 18". But advice is needed.

the options:

14" amun med crash
14 amun powerful crash
18 amun powerful crash
14 raker med crash
18 raker med crash

any help appreciated

[Tim]

dont get a 14 or 15. its definately not big enough. if you want small stick with a 16 seeing how its going to be your main crash. otherwise go with a 17 or 18. I would so go with the medium crash.

[gimp fest]

dont get a 14 or 15. its definately not big enough. if you want small stick with a 16 seeing how its going to be your main crash. otherwise go with a 17 or 18. I would so go with the medium crash.

thanks man, i might look into 17", sounds like it could be just what i'm looking for.

[raz0r]

Could you guys reccomend a good set of jazz hats? Also, a larger ride to compliment my K Custom 20" Dry Ride.

HHX Manhattan Jazz Hats tbh.

I have the 13" pair, and they're amazing.

[ringworm]

Hey guys, how are the Paiste PST 5 & 3 series looked upon in here?
Im no noob to drumming, just in the years that I've taken off, Im afraid Im way behind on cymbal tech. Ive checked out sound clips, its just hard to tell quality wise where they fall. They look like just a slight upgrade from stock cymbals, the kind that quickly bend & warp.

[Drum Phil]

They're intermediate. Thugs replaces his 2002s and rudes with them cause he prefered the sound

[ringworm]

So they hold up pretty good then?

[Drum Phil]

So i hear :)

[daveofdoom]

jazz hats: i just got a pair of k custom sessions, which are great jazz hats.

[Time]

I'm going to get a new ride, and I think I've narrowed it to two. K Custom Session ride or A Custom Medium Ride. which one do you guys think would be a better buy?

[Tim]

I'm going to get a new ride, and I think I've narrowed it to two. K Custom Session ride or A Custom Medium Ride. which one do you guys think would be a better buy?

two completely different rides there buddy. They wont even sound similar. YOu need to try those both out to make a descision. THe A custom is IMO the only good ride from A custom. The rest sound blad. But regular As are awesome.

[saars]

sabian 17" vault or 17" hhx?

[Tim]

sabian 17" vault or 17" hhx?


which hhx?

[saars]

stage crash... my bad, i was kinda in a rush.

[Tim]

I would go with the HHX stage crash. The vaults are thin weight and teh HHX stages are Medium.

[TTTSNB]

Drum Phil: You gotta hit that 20" HHX Chinese man. It's nice. Maybe not your thing, but check it out. If you like the 18"...

TTTSNB: Jazz Hats? Old or new? Some 1950's A hats may suit you down to a T (or even three T's :)).

Looking to the new, for Sabians, I think you'd have to go for something from the HHX range, maybe the HH range. Check out the HH Dark Hats and HHX Groove Hats. Failing that, use the Sound Check thing, it's pretty easy to navigate: http://www.sabian.com/english/Webmayhem/soundcheck.cfm

Zildjians are a different matter.

Actually, I have to go. I'll finish this later.
Alriught, sounds good, vintage cymbals may work nicely. What about a ride?

[HeLLmO]

Vintage A, or maybe Sabian HHX manhatans, maybe something from the HH line like the Duo, or Jack Dejonette's signature Encore Ride(actually, they have lots of good sig Jazz rides) look at Meinl Byzance rides to, they are sick

[Chris]

I got a question for you lot regarding UFIP's.

Do any of you know the difference between the Tiger Series china's and the Experance Tiger China's?

[Drum Phil]

Alriught, sounds good, vintage cymbals may work nicely. What about a ride?

Vault artisan?

[HeLLmO]

^sex

[Panopticon]

i hated the artisan ride...looks nice, but other then that *big thumbs down*

[mullets suk]

I've finally decided on buying a sabian AAX 18" stage crash. i like the price at $155 and its loud, but it also sustains which is wot i was really lookin for. but before i do buy it (in a month or so) are there any complaints with this cymbal. such not sounding good with a genre, breakin easy, or anything along these lines. thaks alot

[saars]

I would go with the HHX stage crash. The vaults are thin weight and teh HHX stages are Medium.


ok, 17" HHX stage or 17" aax stage?

[Tim]

ok, 17" HHX stage or 17" aax stage?

HHX. I dig the AAX stage too but go with the HHX man.

[Tim]

I've finally decided on buying a sabian AAX 18" stage crash. i like the price at $155 and its loud, but it also sustains which is wot i was really lookin for. but before i do buy it (in a month or so) are there any complaints with this cymbal. such not sounding good with a genre, breakin easy, or anything along these lines. thaks alot

nope. Ive never had any problems with my stage crash. It cuts well with the music and is very versatile. I use it for all types of music and it sounds great.

[Against-the-Scene]

so now that i've got a job i'll have money for real cymbals, so i just wanna know what cymbals would be best for Grunge/punk type of sound,im looking to spend what ever ill need to,i dont care what brand.

[taman4life]

this might of been asked before but i can't find my answere so do any of you guys know ride chris alder uses? i know its a pa meinl and thats about it thanks for any feed back

[saars]

HHX. I dig the AAX stage too but go with the HHX man.


Sucks though, I have no choice but to go for the AAX. I mean, if i tell my dad it's 175 USD he's gonna flip. He doesn't want me to spend that much money on an instrument I just started playing. What he doesn't understand is that I love drumming so much, I can't stand to quit drumming. Well, anyways, I'll get the AAX stage as an addition to my zxt crash, then buy the HHX (when the time comes) to replace the zxt.

[Chester]

To the couple ppl looking into AAX stage crashes, they are good cymbals for a good price, try them out and see what you think

to saars, that sounds like a good idea, the HHX stage crashes are real good too, darker though obviously (not necesarily a bad or good thing)

[styler]

to phil.

22" k custom ride is the ride i believe your looking for.

18" HHX china
22" novo china

all the ones i can think of at the moment.

[saars]

yeah, I listened to how dark it is on the sabian site, and I just love it!!

[Tim]

so now that i've got a job i'll have money for real cymbals, so i just wanna know what cymbals would be best for Grunge/punk type of sound,im looking to spend what ever ill need to,i dont care what brand.

Zildjian A series. Not A custom. Just regular A's. Or Sabian AA's

[HeLLmO]

this might of been asked before but i can't find my answere so do any of you guys know ride chris alder uses? i know its a pa meinl and thats about it thanks for any feed back


well, i know it's a 24'' ride, and i know it's a mega bell ride. i think it's either a Byzance or an MB20. but i'm not sure if meinl puts out 24'' rides regularly, so it may be custom. go to www.meinlcymbals.com and they have his set up listed there

[Retarded Chipple]

I'm looking for two crisp, solid cutting yet musical crashes. Looking at Sabian AAXplosion or Zildjian A Custom Projection. Want two that would go nicely together, preferably 16" and 18". Any suggestions?

[Tim]

I'm looking for two crisp, solid cutting yet musical crashes. Looking at Sabian AAXplosion or Zildjian A Custom Projection. Want two that would go nicely together, preferably 16" and 18". Any suggestions?

AAXplosions go nicely. I have the 18. I use my 18 with an aax stage crash and it goes ok. Im getting an AA medium thin 18inch though in the mail someitme soon. Ill let you know if they go well together.

[taman4life]

well, i know it's a 24'' ride, and i know it's a mega bell ride. i think it's either a Byzance or an MB20. but i'm not sure if meinl puts out 24'' rides regularly, so it may be custom. go to www.meinlcymbals.com and they have his set up listed there

alright thanks.

[Drum Phil]

Its a 24" MB20 mega bell :) IIRC

[Time]

What do you guys think is the best of the A custom rides? Like, with lots of versatility and all that good stuff.

[Drum Phil]

Too bright. Avedis rides arent bad.

[-=[Luke]=-]

I'm looking for some decent crashes that are quite versatile but are used mainly for heavy metal.

[DuckinFutch8]

What would be some general suggestions to look into for a more jazzy, light sound?

I have a 22" A Medium ride, which is a beast, I want something with a softer, shorter sound, if that makes any sense. Something jazzier...

[Drum Phil]

20" Sabian Vault Artisan light ride

[Toaster]

How are Sabian B8's?

[Toaster]

And I'm looking for a relatively cheap china, trashy and quick with very little attack and stick definition.

[taman4life]

would wuhans work? ^^^

[thenewguy515]

well, i know it's a 24'' ride, and i know it's a mega bell ride. i think it's either a Byzance or an MB20. but i'm not sure if meinl puts out 24'' rides regularly, so it may be custom. go to www.meinlcymbals.com and they have his set up listed there
24" MB20 mega bell, his setup is on the Meinl site.

[thenewguy515]

I'm looking for a ride for rock/metal type stuff with a good bell and short sustain/wash if possible, and I already have plans for 15" AA regular hats and i have a 16" vault crash, if that helps at all.

[Tim]

I'm looking for a ride for rock/metal type stuff with a good bell and short sustain/wash if possible, and I already have plans for 15" AA regular hats and i have a 16" vault crash, if that helps at all.

AA raw bell dry ride.

[spirit]

AA raw bell dry ride.

Yes. Or perhaps HH RBDR. Depends on which flavour you prefer.

[HeLLmO]

fortunatly they both kick ***, but for rock and metal i definatly think the AA raw dry bell would be best

[Locke]

Looking for 2 cymbals.

I'm looking for a ride to acompany my 21" A Sweet Ride. Was considering a ride with a nice ping to it or possibaly a dark sounding ride that would acompany it well. (suggestions on both would be great)

Second is a splash or two I was considering getting one glassy sounding one and another one to match my other cymbals (A's + A Customs / K/Z hats). I'm thinking along the lines of fairly large splash's for a nice washy sound.

Would consider either Paiste or Zildjian. (Sorry just not a sabian fan).

[saars]

So this is my plan on cymbals when I get a set:

16" Zildjian A Custom Projection Crash
17" Sabian AAX Dark Crash
14" A Zildjian New Beats
10" A Ziljdian Splash*
10" Sabian AA Splash
18" Sabian HHX Stage Crash
21" A Zildjian Sweet Ride*
18" Wuhan China

*I already have this particular cymbal.

So, any thing I should change? The chinas I've tried out at GC (oriental china trash, a custom china, paragon china) are too trashy for my taste. I don't know if the three crashes will fit in with each other, please tell me if they will or not. CC please, nothing ****ty.

[ludvista29]

So this is my plan on cymbals when I get a set:

16" Zildjian A Custom Projection Crash
17" Sabian AAX Dark Crash
14" A Zildjian New Beats
10" A Ziljdian Splash*
10" Sabian AA Splash
18" Sabian HHX Stage Crash
21" A Zildjian Sweet Ride*
18" Wuhan China

*I already have this particular cymbal.

So, any thing I should change? The chinas I've tried out at GC (oriental china trash, a custom china, paragon china) are too trashy for my taste. I don't know if the three crashes will fit in with each other, please tell me if they will or not. CC please, nothing ****ty.
What kind of chick do you want with your hats? Because if you want a really nice one I recommend K mastersounds....

[saars]

I want hats that have very loud chick and dark, but not too dark. Also, I really don't want anything wayy expensive. I just checked the k mastersounds and their 310 USD. Yes, I will check ebay too.:)


EDIT: are there anything in sabian that match the k hats? I sure hope it'd be a lot cheaper...

[Aaron]

Looking for 2 cymbals.

I'm looking for a ride to acompany my 21" A Sweet Ride. Was considering a ride with a nice ping to it or possibaly a dark sounding ride that would acompany it well. (suggestions on both would be great)

Second is a splash or two I was considering getting one glassy sounding one and another one to match my other cymbals (A's + A Customs / K/Z hats). I'm thinking along the lines of fairly large splash's for a nice washy sound.

Would consider either Paiste or Zildjian. (Sorry just not a sabian fan).
22" K Heavy Ride and 10" A Splash

[playwithfire]

Looking for 2 cymbals.

I'm looking for a ride to acompany my 21" A Sweet Ride. Was considering a ride with a nice ping to it or possibaly a dark sounding ride that would acompany it well. (suggestions on both would be great)

Second is a splash or two I was considering getting one glassy sounding one and another one to match my other cymbals (A's + A Customs / K/Z hats). I'm thinking along the lines of fairly large splash's for a nice washy sound.I would get either a 21" A Rock (that way you have a heavy duty, piercing ping to match the wash of the Sweet ride), or a 22" K (so you have that dark sound), or in between, a 22" K Heavy, so you have both dark sound and a lot of ping.

As for the second cymbal, I would get a 12" A Custom for a washy, glassy sound, and a 10" A for a nice sharp cut.

So this is my plan on cymbals when I get a set:

16" Zildjian A Custom Projection Crash
17" Sabian AAX Dark Crash
14" A Zildjian New Beats
10" A Ziljdian Splash*
10" Sabian AA Splash
18" Sabian HHX Stage Crash
21" A Zildjian Sweet Ride*
18" Wuhan China

*I already have this particular cymbal.

So, any thing I should change? The chinas I've tried out at GC (oriental china trash, a custom china, paragon china) are too trashy for my taste. I don't know if the three crashes will fit in with each other, please tell me if they will or not. CC please, nothing ****ty.The splashes are like... identical, why bother? They are so similar you might as well get 2 As. Aside from that... there's no cymbal I particularly dislike in the bunch.

[saars]

So, what splash would sound well with the a splash?

[playwithfire]

A Custom would be glassier, AAX would be sharper... K would be darker... I would probably go with either the 10" K, or a different sized A.

[saars]

hmm... I gotta try these splashes out at my local store... thanks for the opinion. Anyone else agree or disagree to my list of to-buy cymbals?

[Inkstar]

What's a good quality Sabian set (or seperates) I can get which will be 'heavy duty', but doesn't cost too much? I play alot of metal and have a double pedal, so I definitely don't play light.

[ludvista29]

I want hats that have very loud chick and dark, but not too dark. Also, I really don't want anything wayy expensive. I just checked the k mastersounds and their 310 USD. Yes, I will check ebay too.:)


EDIT: are there anything in sabian that match the k hats? I sure hope it'd be a lot cheaper...
I'm not sure of sabian...Look at the other zildjian mastersounds,A, A customs, ect..They may be cheaper than the K's
heres an auction... http://cgi.ebay.com/13-Zildjian-Mastersound-Hi-Hat-Cymbals-NR_W0QQitemZ7396499749QQcategoryZ41447QQssPageName ZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[HeLLmO]

What's a good quality Sabian set (or seperates) I can get which will be 'heavy duty', but doesn't cost too much? I play alot of metal and have a double pedal, so I definitely don't play light.


AA and AAX would definatly work u can get sets of both, or u could just get like the AAXplosion crash pack, and like maybe AAX stage hats and the AA raw dry bell ride

[playwithfire]

What's a good quality Sabian set (or seperates) I can get which will be 'heavy duty', but doesn't cost too much? I play alot of metal and have a double pedal, so I definitely don't play light.I would look into... AA regular hats, AA Medium crashes, and an AA Rock or Dry Tight ride.

[Sagmyr]

Hi guys
I'm looking for a ride with much stick definition and little audible wash.
I've heard Mike Portnoy's HH rock ride 22" and I think it sounds absolutely amazing. I've never heard it live though, and since no-one has it in store here in Norway i've gotta special-order it to get it..
What other rides do you recommend?

[Tim]

Hi guys
I'm looking for a ride with much stick definition and little audible wash.
I've heard Mike Portnoy's HH rock ride 22" and I think it sounds absolutely amazing. I've never heard it live though, and since no-one has it in store here in Norway i've gotta special-order it to get it..
What other rides do you recommend?


AA rock ride. 21inch.

[White]

Okay, After A Long time decidng heres what Im gonna buy for hats and crash in the next year.

14" Zildjian New beats (325$)
16" Zildjian Custom K Crash (270$)

Prices Are in Canadian dollars. BUt yeh, its taking me a while because I ahve to buy a Double pedal and snare drum first.

[Tim]

Okay, After A Long time decidng heres what Im gonna buy for hats and crash in the next year.

14" Zildjian New beats (325$)
16" Zildjian Custom K Crash (270$)

Prices Are in Canadian dollars. BUt yeh, its taking me a while because I ahve to buy a Double pedal and snare drum first.


I would get hihats first b4 the snare. Unless you dotn have a snare at all of course.

[aznriceball]

I'd go hats before double pedal..

[Tim]

I'd go hats before double pedal..

that too.

[Time]

Does anyone here have a K Custom ride or K custom dark ride? How are they? I want to know what other people think, because I don't trust MF reviews.

[styler]

ive got a 20" K custom ride. lots of ping. a good bit of wash. it could live with being a little louder with a more piercing bell. beautiful ride though.

[Inkstar]

Thanks HeLLmO and playwithfire! I'll start looking into those AA and AAX.

[Dazed457]

Which one of these China cymbals are the best? Im looking for a thrashy sound with a short sustain.. These are all i can afford at the moment and i really need one..

Wuhan 16"
Wuhan 20"
Stagg 18"
Paiste PST 3 18"


Thanks

[saars]

One more question, will the following crashes sound good together?

16" Zildjian A Custom Projection Crash
17" Sabian AAX Dark Crash
18" Sabian HHX Stage Crash

Just wanna know before I start buying...

[Sabian4015]

Hey I'm looking for top notch hats that have a good sound open or closed. Price range, nothing over 400$.

[Tim]

One more question, will the following crashes sound good together?

16" Zildjian A Custom Projection Crash
17" Sabian AAX Dark Crash
18" Sabian HHX Stage Crash

Just wanna know before I start buying...


the AAX dark crash really isnt that dark at all. Get an AAX plosion or something to go with that HHX stage. :D

[Tim]

Hey I'm looking for top notch hats that have a good sound open or closed. Price range, nothing over 400$.

Sabian AAX stage hats
Sabian AA regular hats
Zildjian A new beats
Zildjian K top hat and Z dyno beat bottom

[Tim]

Which one of these China cymbals are the best? Im looking for a thrashy sound with a short sustain.. These are all i can afford at the moment and i really need one..

Wuhan 16"
Wuhan 20"
Stagg 18"
Paiste PST 3 18"


Thanks

probably wont get short sustain out of any of those but for trashy and not as much sustain go with the wuhan 16.

[styler]

One more question, will the following crashes sound good together?

16" Zildjian A Custom Projection Crash
17" Sabian AAX Dark Crash
18" Sabian HHX Stage Crash

Just wanna know before I start buying...
the projection crashes are really thick. the stage crash is a thinner cymbal. might not meld. the dark crash im not sure about.

[full collapse]

The projection crashes are not that thick at all. Medium-thins.

[Snarz]

Anyone ever heard of Saluda cymbals if so tell me what you think about them...

Thanks Snarz

[Plan B.]

My 18" Projection takes an arm of steel go get a full sound, I don't really like it much, has a really high profile/bell.

[saars]

the projection crashes are really thick. the stage crash is a thinner cymbal. might not meld. the dark crash im not sure about.


ok, last question (AGAIN). So, you know that cymbals fit together when their thickness is similar?

[Time]

Which one: K custom ride, K ride, or Paiste Rude ride? All 20". Needs versatility.

[Tim]

Which one: K custom ride, K ride, or Paiste Rude ride? All 20". Needs versatility.

id go with a k ride, k heavy ride.