*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[shadow_stalker]

cymbals just dont crack....
they do with Ahead :upset:

[Tim]

they do with Ahead :upset:

thats why you use wood sticks my friend.

[shadow_stalker]

Yeah i found that out the hard way, my poor little splash has never been the same since

i never actually saw the point in plastic tipped sticks, the tips always just brake for me and the sticks dont sound as good

[Tim]

plastic tips? nylon.

[spirit]

Yeah i found that out the hard way, my poor little splash has never been the same since

i never actually saw the point in plastic tipped sticks, the tips always just brake for me and the sticks dont sound as good

The nylon tips, as you discovered, alter the sound compared to wood. You don't like the sound, but some do. There's their point. Also, the tips don't tend to break off when I use nylons, although that isn't too often.

[Chester]

Alright so i've narrowed it down to these.... And I just can not deciede... So i'm just looking for some feedback and opinions...

14'' A Mastersounds and 22" A Ping ride or 21" A Custom Projection ride
14'' AAX Stage hats and 21" or 22" AA Rock Ride
14" HH Fusion hats and 22" or 21" (custom order) HH Rock ride

Remember i'm looking for cymbals to be played in dynamic rock/metal settings.
Thanks soo much.

id definately go with either of the sabian deals, if it were me, id be all over the AAX stage hats and the AA rock ride, cuz i have the stage hats now and will definately be looking into that ride when i wanna trade in my stage ride cuz its too washy and like doesnt have a bell

[chewaz]

AA's and HH's brilliant or trad? i don't like the looks of the AA brilliants (rock, el sabor..) but i haven't seen an HH brilliant yet

[Tim]

definately AA in trad.

[chewaz]

definately AA in trad.
:O and HH? trad or brilliant? gracias chicho

[Tim]

:O and HH? trad or brilliant? gracias chicho

haha. brilliant

[-=[Luke]=-]

I'm looking for a new China Cymbal, i mean i re newed all my cymbals but forgot about my China, It's only a cheap Sabian Solar, i like the sound of it but i'm looking for something more aggressive and used in more heavier metal.
I'm hoping to stay with in the Zildjian Line preferably.

[FL3P]

Perhaps an Oriental China trash is what you want? Or if thats too trashy then maybe an A china high.

[-=[Luke]=-]

Cheers, i was actually thinking of a Oriental Trash, just wanted others opinions :p

[Snarz]

Lol.But its always good to have others opinions.It helps alot more to have other thoughts.

[HeLLmO]

well, if u want to keep in zildjian then i'd definatly say oriental trash, but if u decide to stop being a brand whore then go Sabian AAXplosion

[ComicalMischief]

Actually...you know, this question has itched at me for a little while..

Why are they called china boys?

[chewaz]

because it's a from china? O.O or it's like a smaller version of a chinese gong, bing chinas sound "gongy"

[saars]

to me, the oriental china sounds too trashy... and so does the a custom... but hey, that's just me.



anyways, I saved up about 240 USD and I'm looking to replace my 14" ZXT crash. I want a crash that is a bit dark, but not that light sounding. I'm going along the lines of sabian, zildjian, and paiste cause that's what my local GC carries. In zildjian, I'm looking at a 17" or higher A custom projection crash. In sabian, I'm looking at a paragon crash. I haven't looked much at paiste, so I can't say anything there. Those two cymbals are just what matched my taste, but if you have any more suggestions, throw em at me. Oh, I'm also looking for a good sounding splash. I played an a zildjian 10" splash. It sounded wonderful.


P.S. I play alternative rock and jazz.

[Tim]

Might want to look into an HHX stage crash. those are awesome.

[Time]

first of all, i have a 16" sabian XS20 medium thin crash, i was wondering what peoples opinions on that were. also, i want a durable ride for all types of rock, i like zildjian but i could handle other companies.

[Tim]

first of all, i have a 16" sabian XS20 medium thin crash, i was wondering what peoples opinions on that were. also, i want a durable ride for all types of rock, i like zildjian but i could handle other companies.

i dont really like anything from the xs20 line. I like the b8 pros better. Im sure its good though, nothing wrong with that crash. As far as rides go, look into a Sabian A rock ride, good for rock and other music too.

[Tim]

I didnt want to start a whole thread on this so i decided to put this in here seeing how it is the cymbal thread. Ive narrowed my ride choices down to 4 different rides. Its gonna be tough. THey are all sabian because sabian is way cheaper here than zildjians. Zildjians here are stupid expensive. Ride List:

HHX groove ride
HH Rock ride
HH Heavy Ride
AA Rock ride

[cole363636]

i want to buy some cymbals, what shpuld i buy. name and kind?:confused:

[cole363636]

*Bump*

[saars]

um... why the hell do you bump a sticky?! and you bumped 1 minute after you posted. =/



anyways, the next time i go to GC, i shall try to use my ear to get the best crash. any more suggestions? also, any more suggestions to buying a splash?

[ComicalMischief]

because it's a from china? O.O or it's like a smaller version of a chinese gong, bing chinas sound "gongy"

Yeah...I was asking about the "boys" part. I've heard people say stuff about their "china boys" and I never understood what they ment.


PS. Anyone know where I can order Stagg cymbals online?

[Maggot Dream]

I didnt want to start a whole thread on this so i decided to put this in here seeing how it is the cymbal thread. Ive narrowed my ride choices down to 4 different rides. Its gonna be tough. THey are all sabian because sabian is way cheaper here than zildjians. Zildjians here are stupid expensive. Ride List:

HHX groove ride
HH Rock ride
HH Heavy Ride
AA Rock ride
I have the HH Rock Ride 20". I like it alot. Very clear sticking, and the bell is beautiful.

[chewaz]

I didnt want to start a whole thread on this so i decided to put this in here seeing how it is the cymbal thread. Ive narrowed my ride choices down to 4 different rides. Its gonna be tough. THey are all sabian because sabian is way cheaper here than zildjians. Zildjians here are stupid expensive. Ride List:

HHX groove ride
HH Rock ride
HH Heavy Ride
AA Rock ride

I just tried the 21" AA Rock ride trad, and I love it, Rock crashes, rides and hats sound better in traditional finish!! well almost all cymbals, i really want to try out the 22" HH heavy ride, do you have specs on the sound?

[FL3P]

Actually...you know, this question has itched at me for a little while..

Why are they called china boys?

They took the "boy" part out of the names.

[Bloodlust]

Hey guys, I am looking for the equvilent(sp?) of Zildjian Mastersounds in Sabian. I like the sound of the Mastersounds, but i can't really afford them, and i know that Sabian is generally a little cheaper. I was looking at the AAX stage hats. Any Avise??

[Maggot Dream]

Hey guys, I am looking for the equvilent(sp?) of Zildjian Mastersounds in Sabian. I like the sound of the Mastersounds, but i can't really afford them, and i know that Sabian is generally a little cheaper. I was looking at the AAX stage hats. Any Avise??
Try HHX Groove Hats. They're amazing. I'm not sure about the price though. If you want that quality, you might have to dish out a little more for it.

[Drum Phil]

AAXcellerator hats

[KK2K5]

Do you guys think Stagg DH's are better than the price you pay for them?

[Drum Phil]

Yes.

[Plan B.]

GUYS!!!

Somebody's got to get ontop of these posts! Many people are going unanswered here. I put my time in two years ago when I was more active. Right now there's noone, we must pass the cymbal knowledge torch.

[Heimir-iceland]

Okay i whod lika a metal/rock sound ?

[Tim]

Okay i whod lika a metal/rock sound ?

in what cymbal(s)? hats?crash?ride?china?splash? what? budget would help too

[CasB]

Man...You can use every cymbal you want....it's just a matter of the sound _you_ like...there is no "this cymbal is for that music".

Listen to cymbals and if you like them, buy them.

[Bullet for My Valentine]

hey im looking to upgrade my cymbals i have shoddy paiste 101 zlidjian zxt and solars :mad: i was wonderin if i should get a sabian xs20 cymbal pack?? or just casually build them up ?? is there anything alot better than there price as im on quite a tight budget:rolleyes: cheers in advance guys

[Drum Phil]

Go for pro-line. Dont go lower than AA

[Tim]

hey im looking to upgrade my cymbals i have shoddy paiste 101 zlidjian zxt and solars :mad: i was wonderin if i should get a sabian xs20 cymbal pack?? or just casually build them up ?? is there anything alot better than there price as im on quite a tight budget:rolleyes: cheers in advance guys

instead of getting a whole pack jsut get some pro hihats and a crash or ride.

[Bullet for My Valentine]

yeh i fort i would be better to upgrade gradually.. im looking into the aax and the others in the same price range.. thanks

[DuckinFutch]

hey, the wuhans on mf, are those the s traditional splashes?

it just says "wuhan splash" or something like that...

[Drum Phil]

I'd assume it was traditional

[ludvista29]

i was looking at the AAX 10in splash...What do u guys think about it?

[metal sh*t]

Well im planning on getting a new ride, the stock i have is in pretty bad shape. I was thinking of a, i think, its a 20' Zildjian dark ride.

So if any of you has it can you tell how is it? Sounds?

[FL3P]

You guys all need to go hear the soundclips on the company websites first and compare and then ask anything that you cant get there.

[ludvista29]

I heard the AAX 10in splash in person, i want to know how versitle it is.

[Tim]

I heard the AAX 10in splash in person, i want to know how versitle it is.

AA splashes are more versatile.

[ludvista29]

how much is a 10in of an AA?

[chewaz]

I heard the AAX 10in splash in person, i want to know how versitle it is.

mmm,nah, AAX splashes (8" specially) arent as loud and as versatile as an AA, AA's are the only way to go, i'ma a AA bitch, AA for the world, AA for president, it sucks that there is no AA-xcelerator or HH-xcelerator :(:( me sad

[Tim]

If you want a great effects cymbal go for the 13inch b8pro thin crashes. those things are awesome.

[Chester]

haha, it just sounds funny calling a crash an effects cymbal, but thats basically what it would be

[ant_182]

Hey, does anyone know what Zildjians 14" mastersound hats sound like? and if there is anywhere that sells cheapest in UK? And also 21" Sweet Ride (Brilliant)? Thanks in advance

[full collapse]

Out of these which would have the most projection, 14" AAX Stage hats, 14" AAX Fast hats, 14" AA Regular hats, or 14" HH Fusion hats?

[aznriceball]

^definitely the stages, as well as being the brightest. the AAs would be a tiny bit more versatile

[aznriceball]

Hey, does anyone know what Zildjians 14" mastersound hats sound like? and if there is anywhere that sells cheapest in UK? And also 21" Sweet Ride (Brilliant)? Thanks in advance

i always thought the mastersounds had such a dry chick sound to em and kind of a glassy dry riding to it. the sweet ride is really thin and washy, awesomely crashable :thumb:

[ant_182]

Awesome Thanks. Would you recomend them? Or is there a similar cymbal thats cheaper? Any cheaper dealers in UK?

[aznriceball]

id highly recommend..err..that u go and try em out. at the very least go listen to some zildjian sound clips. and what exactly in sound are you looking for?

as for money, cymbals last forever if taken care of, so if thats an issue, just save. its much more worth it than 'settling' since you're spending a ton of money anyway.

[ant_182]

Yeh, I'm saving up now :) Because I bought some ZXTs, DONT COMPLAIN! it was 2 months after I had been playing and they were AMAZING compared to my crappy "kit cymbals". and i was totally new to drums and the sound then and I only had £200. Now I prefer to test out stuff. I was amazed when i tried oput the ZXTs, becuase they actually lasted some time, like the crash, was a crash....not a beny peice of metal! I've just been on the Zildjian site and I'm happy with the sound. What should i get first, hats or ride? Cheers!!!

[Drum Phil]

Please dont tell me you picked them because barker uses them

[ant_182]

No, if I was after Barkers set up I'd go for the crashes and oriental Trash too. I'm not THAT sad! c'mon, i just want advice, not arguments or opinions on people. this is a cymbal thread!!!

[ant_182]

Actually I may just go for the Barker set up because it would piss people off hee hee :D

[Talos]

What are the best starter cymbals?

Well cheap cymbals, the likes of Solars, 101s, Planet Z, ZBT, B8, 302

[full collapse]

You think paiste 2002 are cheap? If that's the case you can get pretty much anything you want from any cymbal line besides some of the other paiste lines...

[Tim]

What are the best starter cymbals?

Well cheap cymbals, the likes of Solars, 101s, Planet Z, ZBT, B8, 302


b8.

[Talos]

Im gonna try ebay for my cymbals and get good cymbals for cheaper.

[Talos]

What are Zildjian Schimitars like?

[chewaz]

b8.
true the sound better with time, but i hate the ride sooooo much

[Talos]

Can a China or Splash sound like a crash?

Ive found some cheap ones by Wuhan, a 12" Splash and a 12" China

[Drum Phil]

What are Zildjian Schimitars like?

Crap

[Talos]

Cool, the auction has ended already.

[Talos]

I was thinking of getting a Wuhan, 12" Splash or 12" China????

Or a smaller splash?

I want something that sounds like a crash, I know i wont gt exact but whats the closest? PLEASE HELP!

[Tim]

I was thinking of getting a Wuhan, 12" Splash or 12" China????

Or a smaller splash?

I want something that sounds like a crash, I know i wont gt exact but whats the closest? PLEASE HELP!

get a b8pro 13inch thin crash. small and crashy.

[Seafroggys]

12" Wuhan Splash is a good cymbal, I own it....its splashy :)

[chewaz]

wich would you prefer an AA rock ride 24" or and AA Medium ride 24"??? and why

[Cocaberry]

wich would you prefer an AA rock ride 24" or and AA Medium ride 24"??? and why

AA Medium ride. I think it would be more versatile than a rock ride.

[chewaz]

mmm thanks i looooove big rides, but there is no sample of it on the sabian's site, is it like the Avedis medium ride 24"???

[Chrysostom]

I don't have the money to buy it yet, but I'll ask anyway.

I'm looking (or will at some point) for a china that is trashy, dark and has short sustain, but still has that oriental sound to it. Preferably Sabian (brand whore).

[Bloodlust]

would a AAXplosian crash and AA medium crash sound good together?

[full collapse]

I don't have the money to buy it yet, but I'll ask anyway.

I'm looking (or will at some point) for a china that is trashy, dark and has short sustain, but still has that oriental sound to it. Preferably Sabian (brand whore).

20" HH Dark Chinese
18" HH Thin Chinese

[Chrysostom]

20" HH Dark Chinese
18" HH Thin Chinese

Thanks man.

[Tim]

would a AAXplosian crash and AA medium crash sound good together?

probably. AAX and AA go well together. the plosion goes well with the AAX stage. same with the AA medium.

[saars]

Here's what I'm thinking of buying:


a seires zildjian 8" OR 10" splash
sabian hhx 17" stage crash
some cymbal arm/clamp to hold the splash...

Comments on these? I also could use suggestions on an arm/clamp and splash size.

[Tim]

just buy a gibraltar arm and clamp for the splash. as for the HHX stage crashes....those are nice cymbals. I would probably get that in an 18inch but the 17s are good sizes too.

[saars]

I'm confused, MF and samash doesn't have the 17" stage crash. =(

can i get a price check on this cymbal?

[FL3P]

http://www.drumcentral.com/cymbals-sab5.htm

[saars]

**looks at prices and mouth drops**

is that 230 USD for a 17"?? oh mother... I only have 260 USD at the moment... not to mention the prices on MF and samash are lower... I think I should buy the crash for now.

[FL3P]

Sorry I had to bring you the bad news.

[--kuhn--]

I'm looking for some powerful sounding cymbals which will stand up to live playing. I play mainly metal so I was thinking Sabian AAX Metal cymbals. What do you think?

[Drum Phil]

**looks at prices and mouth drops**

is that 230 USD for a 17"?? oh mother... I only have 260 USD at the moment... not to mention the prices on MF and samash are lower... I think I should buy the crash for now.

Good plan.

[HeLLmO]

**looks at prices and mouth drops**

is that 230 USD for a 17"?? oh mother... I only have 260 USD at the moment... not to mention the prices on MF and samash are lower... I think I should buy the crash for now.

ur in America, go look on massmusic, 17''s are 159, 18''s are 171

[Mirror.Circuit]

i'm looking for a decently priced 18" crash/ride for use with rock in general.(ie:rock,punk,metal)

[saars]

ur in America, go look on massmusic, 17''s are 159, 18''s are 171
**SIGHS IN RELIEF**

yet, i might not wanna order of the net. I needa stop by my local GC to get a price check there.


Oh yeh, thanks for that last site. I was trying to remember that..

[GooseFilms.net]

Well, I just got myself a nice 8" Paiste Sig splash for the price of $39.
http://www.instrumentexchange.com/bid-form.asp?list_id=247062&pid=32&catid=126&scatid=461&status=3

That's so cheap, I actually kind of feel bad for the guy

[HeLLmO]

**SIGHS IN RELIEF**

yet, i might not wanna order of the net. I needa stop by my local GC to get a price check there.


Oh yeh, thanks for that last site. I was trying to remember that..

no problem, i'm hoping if i remind enough ppl about massmusic then andy will love me and give me free stuff.

[full collapse]

Thanks man.

No problem.

[Pickledswede]

basicly im looking for a new ride and crash and possibly hi-hats aswell, i need them to be cheap and im a begginer but at the mo i only have second hand arbiter flats hi-hats and a crash/ride :upset: and also i may get a splash or something if i have enough money, i sort of need different cymbal sounds and uses explained before i can decide

[Drum Phil]

I reccomend Sabian Pro Sonix.

[Pickledswede]

i was recomended those before i cant find any anywhere on the web to have a look

[Drum Phil]

Whatever you do, stay away from zildjian ZBT/ZXT/Planet Z. They're overpriced and generally a rip off. If you cant find pro sonix look into Sabian B8s

[Pickledswede]

i found these http://www.wwbw.com/Wuhan-S-Series-Cymbal-pack-i81573.music
does that look like a good bet? unfortuneately i am in the UK and havnt a clue about postage and packaging how much would you say its likely to be? a lot probably knowing my luck :(

[Drum Phil]

Yeah it'll be pretty expensive. Wuhans are good but hard to find over here.

Heres some to check out

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/options.php?id=2354

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/options.php?id=2357

http://www.drumwright.co.uk/pages/cymbal_detail.asp?F_GroupID=917 (second set down)

http://www.drumwright.co.uk/pages/cymbal_detail.asp?F_GroupID=810 (second set down again)

If you wanna splash out a bit:

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/options.php?id=2291

[Pickledswede]

i think i might go for the pro sonix and then buy a splash to go with them has anyone got the pro sonix set and can give me an idea of quality? will they be a good investment by the time im an experienced drummer?

[Drum Phil]

I have the 15" crash and 14" hats. They're both awesome. Thats why i reccomend them so much.

For a splash i highly reccomend this:

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/options.php?id=9561 or any other stagg DH splash.

[Pickledswede]

ill probably go with either the pro sonix or the Sabian B8 and get a splash, tbut i also will need 2 extra stands as at the mo i have a hi hat stand and one stand for my crash/ride, any preferences? i need cheap but sturdy

[Drum Phil]

Cheap but sturdy?

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/options.php?id=9401

or

http://www.drumshop.co.uk/ProductDetails.asp?prod=925

I use both and both are excellent.

[Pickledswede]

thanks alot guys :D sorry for all the time but youve made everything so easy for me thanks alot

[Talos]

Yamaha hi hat stands pwn, theyre really sturdy and the control over the pedal is amazing. I really like them, Yamaha make good everything :lol: You cant go wrong with them :thumb:

Wuhans are expensive in the UK but take a look on ebay, i got a 10" splash for £20 but it hasnt arrived yet, hopefully it will be here tomorrow. But Wuhans are good for the money from what i here but ill be able to tell you soon ;)

[ringworm]

Hey there, limited budget, tried to research before I posted, just wanted to see what the difference between the Sabian B8 Series Thin Crash Cymbal & Sabian B8 Series Rock Crash Cymbal.
I ran across what might be a good deal at the local music shop on the thin, but I can't tell much difference on any sound clips on the rock. They're similar in price so I am swaying back & forth. Thanks a lot!

[poppinfresh]

if your going for beginner cymbals go for xs if you can.

[ringworm]

Yes, I know they are very good for the $$, but...


Anybody else?

[chewaz]

B8 rock crash is higher pitched than the thin crash, i like the B8 performance better than the B8 rock,

[123123]

wats the cheapest ride i can buy thats still good and how much does it cost?

[chewaz]

AA 20" chinese trad or HH thin chinese 20"?

[Tim]

AA 20" chinese trad or HH thin chinese 20"?

Have not tried the HH thin but i will tell you that AA chinese cymbals are great...they are bloody loud and dont ring out for a long time. I own the 18 trad.

[123123]

o ill try that.......

[Tim]

wats the cheapest ride i can buy thats still good and how much does it cost?

whats your max budget? dont get anything really cheap, youll end up replacing it anyway because it will most likely sound terrible . Cheap rides sound like ***.

[123123]

i duno wat my budget is yet i gota make the money first

[Tim]

i duno wat my budget is yet i gota make the money first

then you have no money correct? save yourself at least $150 and get a sabian ride off of massmusic.net. good prices on pro sabians.

[Cocaberry]

Save up for an AAX Stage Ride!!!

[chewaz]

:smash: Save up for an AAX Stage Ride!!!
bahh, it's sucksss it's toooooowashy, go for the AA medium ride or the AA rock ride 22" in trad finish

[Chester]

AA Rock Ride!
i have the AAX stage ride rightn ow, its ok, but im not crazy about it, its nice if you only have one crash, because it is crashable as well

[terry_bozzio_wanna_be]

what would be a goof pair of hats and cymbal to accompany my existing 16" aax dark crash, 21" hh raw bell dry ride, and pro china

[Tim]

what would be a goof pair of hats and cymbal to accompany my existing 16" aax dark crash, 21" hh raw bell dry ride, and pro china

AA regular hats, AAX stage hats, AAXcelerator hats, hhx groove hats.

[Bl4ck3n3D]

I need some help/suggestions on buying a new cymbal.

I currently use a Zildjian Z Custom 18" Rock Crash, Z Custom 14" Dynobeat Hihats, and a Zbt 20" ride. I know most people on here don't like the Z Custom crashes, but I love mine, just a tad bit too loud/bright.

Anyways, I was thinking of getting an A Custom 17" Medium crash or an 18" A Custom Medium crash, however, I don't know which one to get, and which one would compliment my 18" Z Custom pretty good. So I'd like everyone's opinion on what I should get. I'm open to other suggestions as well, I mostly play Thrash Metal and some jazz from time to time.

[Tim]

I need some help/suggestions on buying a new cymbal.

I currently use a Zildjian Z Custom 18" Rock Crash, Z Custom 14" Dynobeat Hihats, and a Zbt 20" ride. I know most people on here don't like the Z Custom crashes, but I love mine, just a tad bit too loud/bright.

Anyways, I was thinking of getting an A Custom 17" Medium crash or an 18" A Custom Medium crash, however, I don't know which one to get, and which one would compliment my 18" Z Custom pretty good. So I'd like everyone's opinion on what I should get. I'm open to other suggestions as well, I mostly play Thrash Metal and some jazz from time to time.

ouch trying to play jazz on z's? man thats gotta hurt. anyways i would go with the 18. a bit more cut in louder situations and still great for lighter playing too.

[chewaz]

AA regular hats, AAX stage hats, AAXcelerator hats, hhx groove hats.

have you tried the HHX groove?? how are htey??

[bobby__johnny]

they are ear sex is what they are

[chewaz]

they are ear sex is what they are

good enough for fast jazz, classic rock and funk? i use pedal a lot on the hi hat the "tzzzzz"

[Tim]

have you tried the HHX groove?? how are htey??

yes actually. i didnt think GC would have them either. bitches. anyway they are nice man. you jsut have to hear them for yourself. they are nice and smooth (sound)

[bobby__johnny]

good enough for fast jazz, classic rock and funk? i use pedal a lot on the hi hat the "tzzzzz"

oh yes. they are quite honestly the best pair of hats i have ever heard

[Tim]

good enough for fast jazz, classic rock and funk? i use pedal a lot on the hi hat the "tzzzzz"

I love the open hits and foot chicks with those hats. man. supreme greatness right there.

[chewaz]

mmmm i've seen some videos from zoro and i liked the sound of them, and the groove ride? has any of you tried it? i think it's a bit washy for me

[Tim]

mmmm i've seen some videos from zoro and i liked the sound of them, and the groove ride? has any of you tried it? i think it's a bit washy for me

Havent personally TRIED the ride but have heard it yes. Its pretty good. I wouldnt use it but it is a great ride. just not my taste.

[Seafroggys]

oh yes. they are quite honestly the best pair of hats i have ever heard

no they're not

[chewaz]

mmm i really want new cymbals (sabian) and stay on one line (AA) and i was was thinking about the AA pack cause it's on my budget and i can get an splash with it, i dont live in the US, i got a friend that can bring them here (peru) for $580-$600 :O, so what ya think? the pack comes with regular hats 14", medium crash 16", medium ride 20" (i'll probally sell it and buy a 22", i like big rides) and a 10" splash, :O i got like $500 and my parents give the rest

[HeLLmO]

^i'd go for it, AAs are great

[zildjian1992]

which hi hats are more versatile, the HHX Groove hats, or the HHX Stage hats,I dont want hi hats that are heavy, and extremely loud, just a nice crisp, clean, versitile hi hat. Other suggestions would be good also.

[nonsense!]

I am also looking for a pair of versitile hats, I play lots of different types of music. I keep hearing "Get New Beats" but I was wondering, which size should I get? 13", 14", or 15"?

[HeLLmO]

well, 14'' i think is the most versitille size, i personally like 15''s, they are good for hard rock and metal, but i know some dudes like steve jordan use 15''s(actually i read in MD he used 17'' at one point) i'd just go with 14''s, and for good hats other than New Beats(even though new beats are great) Sabian HHX hats are great, as are Meinl Byzance and Zildjian K's or K/Zs

[Locke]

I was woundering if anyone had any suggestions on what cymbal to get next, I already have a 21" A Custom Sweet Ride, 17" Projection Crash, 18" A medium-thin and 13" K/Z Hats.

Was considering getting a A Custom Ping Ride of some sort, Possibally a 15" Crash of some sort or a splash. Suggestions?

[Tim]

I was woundering if anyone had any suggestions on what cymbal to get next, I already have a 21" A Custom Sweet Ride, 17" Projection Crash, 18" A medium-thin and 13" K/Z Hats.

Was considering getting a A Custom Ping Ride of some sort, Possibally a 15" Crash of some sort or a splash. Suggestions?

Having 2 rides would be pretty cool. I wouldnt get a 15inch crash though. THey are ok for effects but i would rather have someting bigger. maybe get like a 17inch K crash or something.

[HeLLmO]

I was woundering if anyone had any suggestions on what cymbal to get next, I already have a 21" A Custom Sweet Ride, 17" Projection Crash, 18" A medium-thin and 13" K/Z Hats.

Was considering getting a A Custom Ping Ride of some sort, Possibally a 15" Crash of some sort or a splash. Suggestions?

it depends, if u want to rides, u can't go wrong with the ping ride, but if u want to stick with 1 ride i'd say get a china or splash, or some form of effect cymbal

[Seafroggys]

I am also looking for a pair of versitile hats, I play lots of different types of music. I keep hearing "Get New Beats" but I was wondering, which size should I get? 13", 14", or 15"?

Get New Beats

there you heard it again

I have 14", so get those

[chewaz]

i'm still undecided, what are your opinions on the HH pack? regular hats, mediumt-thin crash, medium ride?

[HeLLmO]

HH=:) :thumb: :chug: :D

[chewaz]

omg i'm so confused right now, i like the sound of both AA and HH :O, but i have money to buy a pack :S (HH are expenciver but buying each cymbal alone will cost more), it sucksss

[Drum Phil]

Im after a crash/ride but dont know which one.

18" Zildjian K crash/ride
18" Sabian HH Crash
20" Sabian AA Crash/Ride
18" Paiste rude crash/ride

Opinions? Im leaning toward the K

[HeLLmO]

omg i'm so confused right now, i like the sound of both AA and HH :O, but i have money to buy a pack :S (HH are expenciver but buying each cymbal alone will cost more), it sucksss


well, maybe u could by the AA pack, then buy 1 or 2 HH cymbals

[HeLLmO]

Im after a crash/ride but dont know which one.

18" Zildjian K crash/ride
18" Sabian HH Crash
20" Sabian AA Crash/Ride
18" Paiste rude crash/ride

Opinions? Im leaning toward the K

i'd say the HH or the rude, but i haven't tried the K, though i'm sure it is a great cymbal

[\m/-CHeV-\m/]

I'm getting a new cymbal set, and now i found some dealer that sells NEW zildjian cymbal 25% under retail price..
now i need 2 crashes. I play mostly metal (arch enemy, some metallica influences), and i was thinking of buying a zildjian medium crashes, but i heard some good things about a custom mediums..
and i don't dare to buy K's. not that i have no technique, but they just don't cut throught thoroughly.. which 2 crashes would cut through nicely in both heavy playing, and maybe some ballads (like covering nothing else matters), A customs medum crashes maybe?. thanks in advance :).

[Drum Phil]

i'd say the HH or the rude, but i haven't tried the K, though i'm sure it is a great cymbal

The rudes probably my least favourite.

[HeLLmO]

that would be understandable, actualy, u said rude crash ride didnt u, i think i may have been thinkin' of the rude thin crash, there was one i didn't like, 1 i did.

[Drum Phil]

Yeah. The thins are pretty nice but im not after a crash. I want a nice crash ride.

[HeLLmO]

yea, then i would def. say the HH or the K. i would HH because i think it is a tad cheaper, but that may be me

[Drum Phil]

It'll be hard between the HH and the K because they'll be so similar. Its gonna take some rigurous testing

[HeLLmO]

well, look on the bright side, either way u can't go wrong

[Drum Phil]

Good point :D

[HeLLmO]

but i'm still sad, now that the holiday season is over i won't be buying cymbals again untill next like fall when i get a job.

[full collapse]

I'm looking for hi-hats and ride that I can groove with and can really cut.
I was thinkign 14" AAX Fast hats and 21" AA Rock ride... Any other suggestions?

[Seafroggys]

New Beats

[saars]

New Beats



amen to that, my bro

[\m/-CHeV-\m/]

posting this again since i didn't get an answer:

I'm getting a new cymbal set, and now i found some dealer that sells NEW zildjian cymbal 25% under retail price..
now i need 2 crashes. I play mostly metal (arch enemy, some metallica influences), and i was thinking of buying a zildjian medium crashes, but i heard some good things about a custom mediums..
and i don't dare to buy K's. not that i have no technique, but they just don't cut throught thoroughly.. which 2 crashes would cut through nicely in both heavy playing, and maybe some ballads (like covering nothing else matters), A customs medium crashes maybe, or should i go with the a zildjian?. thanks in advance :)

[Drum Monkey]

A customs medium crashes maybe, or should i go with the a zildjian?
Your best bet would be to go to www.zildjian.com (http://www.zildjian.com) and sound test the cymbals... Both Zildjian A and A Custom are great cymbal lines :thumb:

-DM

[Seafroggys]

posting this again since i didn't get an answer:

I'm getting a new cymbal set, and now i found some dealer that sells NEW zildjian cymbal 25% under retail price..
now i need 2 crashes. I play mostly metal (arch enemy, some metallica influences), and i was thinking of buying a zildjian medium crashes, but i heard some good things about a custom mediums..
and i don't dare to buy K's. not that i have no technique, but they just don't cut throught thoroughly.. which 2 crashes would cut through nicely in both heavy playing, and maybe some ballads (like covering nothing else matters), A customs medium crashes maybe, or should i go with the a zildjian?. thanks in advance :)

25% off retail?

Thats flippin expensive!

Its usually 40% off around here.

[\m/-CHeV-\m/]

it's 25% off. and that's HIS retail price.. I'm getting another 30% off :)..

About zildjian.com.. I can hear what they sound like, but i just don't know (lol sorry forgot to include that in my question) If customs would suit the music well.. i like the sound of both cymbals but the mediums are kinda thick, and i was wondering if they would be responsive enough when playing some less heavy music..?? anyone?

[Drum Monkey]

anyone?
I'm sure the A Zildjians would suite many music genres as they are versitile cymbals... If you like them I see no harm in getting them...

-DM

[chewaz]

ok and how about the meinl byzance??? i'm thinking 14" heavy soundwave, 16" medium-thin crash, 22" heavy ride and a 20" chinese all in trad finish, any ideas? how would you compare them with the sabian HH?

[HeLLmO]

well, i'm not sure exactly how they compare, but Byzance and HH are both amazing, so that would be on u

[chewaz]

mmm ok thanks

[Cocaberry]

I'm looking for hi-hats and ride that I can groove with and can really cut.
I was thinkign 14" AAX Fast hats and 21" AA Rock ride... Any other suggestions?

14" AAX Stage hats

[Tim]

I'm looking for hi-hats and ride that I can groove with and can really cut.
I was thinkign 14" AAX Fast hats and 21" AA Rock ride... Any other suggestions?


rock ride=perfect
AAXcelerator, AAX stage, AA regular hats are all good choices.

[BradDawg]

Right now this is what I own:

22" Paragon Ride
19" AAXplosion Crash
19" Paragon China
18" AAX Stage Crash
18" Vault Crash
14" AAX Stage Hats
11" MAX Splash

Im always looking to add to my set up, and I was hoping you guys could help me out. I would like to add some more cymbals and I would like your opinions and suggestions as to what will sound good. These are the ones id like to add:

15" Hats of some sort, looking at special ordering 15" HHX Stage hats or maybe 15" Vault Hats
17" Crash, I was thinking a vault to complement my other crashes?
13" Hats, i was thinking the paragons for a nice higher pitch sound for hats
another ride, i was thinking maybe the 21" AAX Stage ride?, primarily becuase i think the paragon is just too pingy for me
another splash, maybe the 10" paragon?

any suggestions for those sizes would be greatly appreciated or any opinions you have of the ones i mentioned. and i know im a whore but please only sabian suggestions. thanks alot

[Drum Monkey]

What you are looking to get fits perfect with what you have... I think that's a great set-up :thumb:

-DM

[full collapse]

rock ride=perfect
AAXcelerator, AAX stage, AA regular hats are all good choices.

Thanks, i'll check those out at GC....

14" AAX Stage hats

Too bright for my taste, but thanks.

[TTTSNB]

So, I'm looking for a more washy ride that still has a great deal of volume. I've found that I enjoy using this kind of sound to create a sort of cushion of sound...any suggestions?

[FL3P]

I have the A Custom medium ride and it works fine in that regard.

[Tim]

So, I'm looking for a more washy ride that still has a great deal of volume. I've found that I enjoy using this kind of sound to create a sort of cushion of sound...any suggestions?

AA medium ride or AAX stage ride. good washy rides right there. AAX stage ride crashes really well too.

[HeLLmO]

^definatly agreed. lots of wash, great crash. i'm not the biggest fan of tons of wash, i prefer dry, but damn those stage rides are nice

[Drum Phil]

I always found the HH and HHX rides to be quite washy

[Tim]

pretty much any medium ride will have good wash to it.

[Chris]

Do you lot recond a 16'' Wuhan China will go with a 18'' UFIP Tigar China?

I ask as, i have had the tigar on order for 6 months, and due to 'issues' with UFIP Internatonal, well it the order has now been changed to UFIP Italy. And the order left Italy last wednesday.

As i have a gig on thursday, i cant see the tigar being here by then, so im trying to get a 16'' Wuhan.

But in the long run, do you think they will go in sound? (I've never heard a Wuhan, but the 16 is £30, so i cant go wrong really).

[Myslik]

Hi I'm new.

I'm looking for advice on new cymbals.
I'm looking at a Ride cymbal and maybe a china or Splash, I play rock mostly but other types depending what I feel like playing.

Right now I have Sabian B8 13'' hi-hats
and a Sabian B8 16'' thin Crash.

[saars]

^^first thing, replace your hats and crash with better cymbals. Then, start building up.

[Myslik]

What exactly are better cymbals to replace mine with...
I haven't really added or removed anything for 3 years and I'm not all that up to date on cymbals... or drums for that matter.

[Drum Monkey]

Right now I have Sabian B8 13'' hi-hats
and a Sabian B8 16'' thin Crash.
If this is what you have I strongly suggest buying a ride cymbal... Some good lines to check out include Sabian AA/AAX aswell as Zildjian A/A Custom. They are professional cymbals and you will most likely not need to upgrade from there...

-DM

[drummingducktape]

ok so im really interested in Zildjians A custom pack. if anyone knows where i can get a used or almost new set let me know, or if someone on here has a set their selling just let me know (ive tryed ebay)

[Tim]

ok so im really interested in Zildjians A custom pack. if anyone knows where i can get a used or almost new set let me know, or if someone on here has a set their selling just let me know (ive tryed ebay)

Dont buy the pack. Youre better off buying seperately.IMO you get a more unique sound. If you dig the pack then go to your local music store and they should be able to order it for you.

[ruggy_drumboy]

Hey i was just wondering, ive got a 16" crash and 20" ride and i wanna get another cymbol 2 go in the middle cause its a damn long way 2 move from the ride 2 the crash quickly in say chorus' so watd would b best 4 say a punk/alternative band. A small splash crash or a larger crash? And also i wanna know at what level r paiste 302's at? good? ****? average?

[chewaz]

hhye, anyone knows with wich hats (sabian) can i get the sound of the one on the police - Roxanne? The TSSS, it's awesome

[Tim]

Hey i was just wondering, ive got a 16" crash and 20" ride and i wanna get another cymbol 2 go in the middle cause its a damn long way 2 move from the ride 2 the crash quickly in say chorus' so watd would b best 4 say a punk/alternative band. A small splash crash or a larger crash? And also i wanna know at what level r paiste 302's at? good? ****? average?


I would say go for another crash. In a punk/alternative settings you might not want a splash too much as you will be limited to very few splashes because you want a cymbal tahts gonna cut really well. the paiste 302 were the old paiste beginner lines. Just save up your money for something a bit more higehr end. Id say get an 18 or 19inch crash, something along the lines of AA, AAX, A custom or A. All those lines have soem good crashes for that kind of music.

[ant_182]

meh zildjian all the way!!!

[Tim]

meh zildjian all the way!!!

go die.

[Aaron]

hhye, anyone knows with wich hats (sabian) can i get the sound of the one on the police - Roxanne? The TSSS, it's awesome
Paiste Rudes.

[Chris]

I asked this before, and got no reply so...


Do you lot recond a 16'' Wuhan China will go with a 18'' UFIP Tigar China?

[chewaz]

Paiste Rudes.

nah no way, the rudes are ruuude, the feel is like responsive, and mmm ithough they were like mastersounds or soundedges something like that, anyone knowa?

[HeLLmO]

^well true, rudes are very rude, but they are what stewart copeland used to use. but if u want good hats from sabian, look into the AA's AAX, HH and HHX then just chose from there, go to the sabian site and do the soundchecks, or, better yet, go to GC or Sam Ash or w.e u have locally and try all sorts of hats out. and for the record, they do make 14' rude soundedge hats

[WarHammer]

I'm looking for a ride that can be used in bebop, modern jazz, blues, and maybe some softer rock. Preferably Zildjian and under $300 US. It needs to have plenty of wash, but a controled ping, and I don't care how the bell sounds (Z Custom Power Ride for when I need a bell). Suggestions?

[Drum Phil]

22" K Heavy?

[chewaz]

^well true, rudes are very rude, but they are what stewart copeland used to use. but if u want good hats from sabian, look into the AA's AAX, HH and HHX then just chose from there, go to the sabian site and do the soundchecks, or, better yet, go to GC or Sam Ash or w.e u have locally and try all sorts of hats out. and for the record, they do make 14' rude soundedge hats

i meant the "tsss" when riding the hat not the "TSSS" whe the hat is open, haven't you heard Roxanne?? and well, in my country there's no sabian dealer and no nowhere to try them, most of the stores have B8, Solars, B8 pro, and some pro sonix. No Paistes only the cheap series, of Zildjian some A customs (ride 22") crashes, avedis, constaninople, but really few, it suck :P

[CasB]

I asked this before, and got no reply so...


Do you lot recond a 16'' Wuhan China will go with a 18'' UFIP Tigar China?

Guess so, don't know how the Ufip sounds, but the Wuhan sounds great :)

[Rossy_drummer]

Hey im looking for a new ride, musical and jazzy but with a powerful bell. Any price range really, sabian or zildjian preferably.

[HeLLmO]

i meant the "tsss" when riding the hat not the "TSSS" whe the hat is open, haven't you heard Roxanne?? and well, in my country there's no sabian dealer and no nowhere to try them, most of the stores have B8, Solars, B8 pro, and some pro sonix. No Paistes only the cheap series, of Zildjian some A customs (ride 22") crashes, avedis, constaninople, but really few, it suck :P

well, i won't lie, i haven't listened to roxanne in a very long time, i'll have to go dig it up, i was just going by what stewart used at the time. do u have meinl where u are? or stagg?

[HeLLmO]

Hey im looking for a new ride, musical and jazzy but with a powerful bell. Any price range really, sabian or zildjian preferably.

sabian's got some great ones, look at HH, HHX and check out the signatures, they have tons of signature rides. if u have ANY price range u may wanna check out zildjian constantinoples, then look at Ks and K customs

[chewaz]

well, i won't lie, i haven't listened to roxanne in a very long time, i'll have to go dig it up, i was just going by what stewart used at the time. do u have meinl where u are? or stagg?

yeah i got meinl up to classics cause the guy of the store won't make any special orders of byzance and soundcaster yet, I can get sabs from a friend of mine, the prices are regular (F.E. an AAX-xcelerator price $180 in massmusic, his price here $240; AA pack (hats,splash,ride,crash, bag) $580-$600) it's a nice price for the pro series that i can't find in here

[taman4life]

hey im looking for a splash with a crisp sound and quick decay, and pretty versatile because i play a bunch different styles of music, thanks for any feed back.

[saars]

Which should I replace first: my 14" ZXT hats with 13" new beats; my 20" ZXT ride with an A sweet ride; or my 14" ZXT crash with an 18" HHX stage crash?

I know I should replace in order of cymbal crapiness, but they all sound crappy to me. Plus, I have enough money to buy either the hats, the ride, or the crash, so I'm confused on what to buy first

[HeLLmO]

i'd say hats, then ride, then crash

[Seafroggys]

Which should I replace first: my 14" ZXT hats with 13" new beats; my 20" ZXT ride with an A sweet ride; or my 14" ZXT crash with an 18" HHX stage crash?

NEW BEATS!

[saars]

ok, thanks. Now, what's the significance of the 13" size? I'm just curious, since a lot of people here like it.

[Seafroggys]

Nothing's signifacant about the 13".

Now the 14" on the other hand.......

[saars]

Ok, 14" it is.

[chewaz]

new beat is like the AA regular right?

[Seafroggys]

no, New Beats are like God.

[jusiefroot]

i'm trying to find a set of hats that'll work for anything between funk and metal. i was thinking A Custom Mastersound 14" or Paiste Signature Sound Edge 14". And I'm also looking for kind of a funky ride with a nice ping and a solid bell... i was thinking HH Raw bell dry ride or the HH Leapord Ride... thanks!

[Seafroggys]

New Beats

[chewaz]

so what's special about the new beats? weight? holes? ?????

[Seafroggys]

just play one for awhile.....

[Tim]

stage hats

[Big_Bret]

Hi, I'm looking to buy my first Crash cymbal...

I need a Crash that can be used as a "beater" (Keep a beat on it, just like on the hi-hats) and that can be used in most "hard" music, like from Slow Rock to Hardcore...

If you guys could help me, it would be really appreciated :)

P.S. I'm kinda new to drumming, so I'm not really familiar with the terms used... If you need more info, just tell me...

[HeLLmO]

check out sabian, AAX stage and AAX/HHXplosion crashes are great. as are AA Metal X, from Paiste if u have the cash u can look at 2oo2, and zildjian look at stuff like A Customs, but don't get Z customs. meinl has some good ones too, Amun, Raker, Soundcaster, and byzance are great

[full collapse]

AAX/HHXplosion crashes are great but, not if you are going to want to be riding on them because, the length of sustain. The AAX stage would work nice, though. Maybe try an AA Medium...

[the_pure_drummer]

hey ive got a good set of new b8's and i find the crash isnt trashy enough theres too much of a ping and help on a nice trashy but not too much crash any help appreciated!!! asap:smash:

[Drum Phil]

Stagg SH 18" Crash. Trashy to the max

[3_times_round]

hey ive got a good set of new b8's and i find the crash isnt trashy enough theres too much of a ping and help on a nice trashy but not too much crash any help appreciated!!! asap:smash:

18" Zildjian Crash of Doom. The trashiest crash around.

If its too trashy (I'm presuming it is) just test around.

[chewaz]

the crash of doom (and the orietals) are one of they few things i like about zildjian, but! buy the HHXtreme it's freakin awesome :O

[TTTSNB]

I'm looking to get a bell to complement my 12" Sabian Ice Bell, I'm looking for a smaller one preferably, can be any brand.

[Tim]

I'm looking to get a bell to complement my 12" Sabian Ice Bell, I'm looking for a smaller one preferably, can be any brand.

what about the stagg black metal bells? or the zil-bels? Stagg ones would most likely be harder to get here though in the states.

[Drum Phil]

6" Zilbel?

[Canadian_Drummer]

Hey Im looking for a ride with good ping but also good crashability, not a gongy sound, buy definitaly not a crash/ride
-Maxwell

[Drum Phil]

21" Zildjian A Sweet ride

[saars]

I'm looking for a splash that sounds well with my a zildjian 10" splash. I'm open to any company along the lines of zildjian, paiste, and sabian cause like i said before, GC only carries these. Then again, you can do whatever cause I'm most likely going to order it from massmusic or something.

[Tim]

I'm looking for a splash that sounds well with my a zildjian 10" splash. I'm open to any company along the lines of zildjian, paiste, and sabian cause like i said before, GC only carries these. Then again, you can do whatever cause I'm most likely going to order it from massmusic or something.

good versatile splash=10inch sabian AA splash. GC doesnt carry AA but they will order it for you. I would jsut order it from massmusic if i was you if youre going sabians.

[full collapse]

hey ive got a good set of new b8's and i find the crash isnt trashy enough theres too much of a ping and help on a nice trashy but not too much crash any help appreciated!!! asap:smash:

19" HHXtreme crash
Signature Fierce Crash

[\m/-CHeV-\m/]

I'm guessing I'll order myself a new set of cymbals tonight. It will be a 20" a-custom ping ride. now i have a problem. I want to buy either a 17 and 18" a zlidjian medium crashes, or 17 and 18" a zildjian rock crashes.. which sound better? I'm guessing the mediums would be more versatile cymbals.. whta do you think i should go for? mediums or rock's?

[TTTSNB]

what about the stagg black metal bells? or the zil-bels? Stagg ones would most likely be harder to get here though in the states.
yeah, I don't dig the zil-bells much, I'll check out the black metal ones though.

[\m/-CHeV-\m/]

I'm guessing I'll order myself a new set of cymbals tonight. It will be a 20" a-custom ping ride. now i have a problem. I want to buy either a 17 and 18" a zlidjian medium crashes, or 17 and 18" a zildjian rock crashes.. which sound better? I'm guessing the mediums would be more versatile cymbals.. whta do you think i should go for? mediums or rock's?

[\m/-CHeV-\m/]

whoo sorry double post..

[Tim]

I'm guessing I'll order myself a new set of cymbals tonight. It will be a 20" a-custom ping ride. now i have a problem. I want to buy either a 17 and 18" a zlidjian medium crashes, or 17 and 18" a zildjian rock crashes.. which sound better? I'm guessing the mediums would be more versatile cymbals.. whta do you think i should go for? mediums or rock's?

definately go with the medium crashes.

[Canadian_Drummer]

21" Zildjian A Sweet ride

is that my only choice?:angry:

[Locke]

is that my only choice?:angry:

Doubt its your only one but I'd HIGHLY recomend it. I've got one myself and it sounds fantastic.

***********************************

I'm looking for a really glassy splash with a good sustain that would go well on a set up with A's and A customs. Considering saibains portnoy splash's as i've heard there quite glassy. Anyone got any suggestions?

[chewaz]

K heavy = HH heavy???
and the AA raw bell dry ride is like the AA dry ride but with a bigger and raw bell? cause i like the dry ride :O

[Tim]

AA raw bell=my next cymbal, or the AA medium. not sure yet.

[taman4life]

what are some good rides and splashes?

[Tim]

what are some good rides and splashes?

there are too many to list my friend. Any specific company, price or weight?

[chewaz]

K heavy = HH heavy???
and the AA raw bell dry ride is like the AA dry ride but with a bigger and raw bell? cause i like the dry ride :O

answer my wuestion :P guarf:wave:

[taman4life]

there are too many to list my friend. Any specific company, price or weight?

for company, probably zildjian or sabian, but im open to more then just those, also i play mainly rock or stuff like that, but id like to have a ride that is pretty versatile for like jazz and rock and some metal.. for splashes probably the same thing thanks for any help

[Tim]

the sabian AA rock ride is a good ride for what youre looking for. as far as jazz goes though it probably wont fit that well in that playing situation. the A ping ride from zildjian would be similar to the AA rock ride as well. I would look into some medium heavy rides if i was you.They would be pretty good for the rock setting and ok for jazz as well.

[taman4life]

^^ alright thanks ill check out those cymbals