*** The Cymbal Finder ***

[FL3P]

I dont think this person knew what they were looking for.........but I sure hope it was a girl or else that could have been embarassing.

[mprules]

z custom jazz rides, really good ^_^

[3_times_round]

Well, the Session wasn't there... Wankers... (3 months now)

Person that said K Custom Dark China, I'm pretty sure it's just a K Dark China.

[playwithfire]

K chinas aren't called dark chinas. The only chinas in the Zildjian range called dark chinas are K Customs, so I'm pretty sure it was probably a K Custom...

[3_times_round]

Hmm... I'm off to check...

Edit: It is K custom Dark. Woops.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

I meant just a K china, sorry thought they were called dark chinas as well as the K Customs. Never really liked the K Custom chinas, the K's on the other hand, I'd love a 17", great for a dark accent.

[3_times_round]

I can't find the right china! It's so frustrating. I want one for a new sound in my set-up. but I just can't find one I like. The best one I've heard was a 18" Sabian Pro Chinese (I only heard it live). I don't really want a traditional china sound, just a trashy crash. I'm thinking about getting a Crash of Doom instead of a china.

What do Paiste Sig chinas sound like?

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

paiste.com has sound clips that are pretty accurate, you should be able to find oen for the sig. thin and heavy chinas on there.

The Pro Chinese actualy sounds pretty good for the price, dont mind it at all.

[Iskandar]

z custom jazz rides, really good ^_^
What.
The.
Heck.

Are you.
Talking.
About.

[spirit]

What.
The.
Heck.

Are you.
Talking.
About.

Surely you've been alive long enough to recognise sarcasm when you see it?

[playwithfire]

Sarcasm... of course.

[spirit]

Sarcasm... of course.

<.<

>.>

[playwithfire]

Ah, you beat me buy a minute :lol:.

[Iskandar]

Surely you've been alive long enough to recognise sarcasm when you see it?
Was it sarcasm or stupidity? I couldn't tell, myself.

[playwithfire]

Almost nobody is that stupid ;).

[chewaz]

If you like it, then get it. Sabian should be cheaper than ZIlj and Paiste anyways.

As for the ZIldjian equivelent, it would be a 20" A Medium Ride. The closest thing Paiste would have would probably be a 20" 2002 ride I'd think.

Zildjian's As sound like a XS20 no like a AA the AA have a different sound besides they have a higher pitch

[Murd_666]

Almost nobody is that stupidI am

[playwithfire]

Zildjian's As sound like a XS20 no like a AA the AA have a different sound besides they have a higher pitchAs and AAs are basically identical. You must have played a crappy A and an amazing XS20... Robert Zildjian left Zildjian, founded Sabian and basically didn't change how As were made at all, just named them AAs.

[Sinai Beach]

my sabian 20" metal-x crash just cracked after only a month, i need a big crash cymbal or crash/ride (19"-20") that will take a beating and will Last. i play postly harcore,metal, rock. i dont want a very bright crash or a very low pitched one either. and also i need it to be somewhat versitile. also im willing to pay around $180-200

[lamb_of_goddrummer]

I was thinking about buying a Sabian Mike Portnoy 9" Max Splash cymal, and a Sabian 19" B8Pro 18" Heavy Crash. Has anyone ever heard these cymbals... or have them. I have been playing for about 3 years now, and still haven't bought anything else besides a double bass pedal for my drumset, so I don't want to get crappy cymbals. Will somebody help me out?

[Sgt_Baker]

what do you guys reckon of the A Custom Medium crashes? i got myself a 16" and it sounds pretty sweet, should i get an 18" to go with it?
Would the 16" medium blend well with an 18" regular?
what are some other options?

[playwithfire]

An A Custom will blend well with another A Custom regardless of what specific model it is.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

my sabian 20" metal-x crash just cracked after only a month, i need a big crash cymbal or crash/ride (19"-20") that will take a beating and will Last. i play postly harcore,metal, rock. i dont want a very bright crash or a very low pitched one either. and also i need it to be somewhat versitile. also im willing to pay around $180-200

Ok well first off, if you've cracked a 20" Metal-x crash in under one month, thats a pretty big sign that you need to improve your technique, unless there was a defect with the crash, but the chance of that is pretty low. Invest in a teacher, learn some technique etc...

For now, live with the cracked crash, either cut it or drill it to slow down the crack and get as much time as you can out of it. If you still want to do the whole hardcore thing, then maybe look at an A Rock crash, great tone and is still a med-heavy cymbal, its an A so its not going to be an overly bright or dark cymbal.

But before you do anything seriously look at a teacher, the more I think about it the more I think its a defect, where is it cracked and has been taken anywhere, gigs etc?

[Aaron]

I was thinking about buying a Sabian Mike Portnoy 9" Max Splash cymal, and a Sabian 19" B8Pro 18" Heavy Crash. Has anyone ever heard these cymbals... or have them. I have been playing for about 3 years now, and still haven't bought anything else besides a double bass pedal for my drumset, so I don't want to get crappy cymbals. Will somebody help me out?
i've played the splash, it's okay. the others i wouldn't touch. welcome to mx, don't whore sabian ;)

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

what do you guys reckon of the A Custom Medium crashes? i got myself a 16" and it sounds pretty sweet, should i get an 18" to go with it?
Would the 16" medium blend well with an 18" regular?
what are some other options?

Have a look at the reg. A Custom in 18", I have one and its a beautiful cymbal, shimmering, bright and full bodied. You could look at the Projectiona s well, it gets a lot of bad reviews arounf here lately but personally I think its a great cymbal for any kind of music that demands a bright piercing cymbal. Its higher pitched than the normal crash and has slightly more sustain.

Best to chekc each cymbal out for yourself and see what you think, I have both the A Custom crash and Projection crash in 18" and think they are awesome.

[3_times_round]

my sabian 20" metal-x crash just cracked after only a month, i need a big crash cymbal or crash/ride (19"-20") that will take a beating and will Last. i play postly harcore,metal, rock. i dont want a very bright crash or a very low pitched one either. and also i need it to be somewhat versitile. also im willing to pay around $180-200

It is either a factory fault or bad technique. How long do you play each day? Where is the crack?

[Sinai Beach]

Ok well first off, if you've cracked a 20" Metal-x crash in under one month, thats a pretty big sign that you need to improve your technique, unless there was a defect with the crash, but the chance of that is pretty low. Invest in a teacher, learn some technique etc...

For now, live with the cracked crash, either cut it or drill it to slow down the crack and get as much time as you can out of it. If you still want to do the whole hardcore thing, then maybe look at an A Rock crash, great tone and is still a med-heavy cymbal, its an A so its not going to be an overly bright or dark cymbal.

But before you do anything seriously look at a teacher, the more I think about it the more I think its a defect, where is it cracked and has been taken anywhere, gigs etc?


i practice about 3-4 hours a week and i have shows about once or twice a week. my lead singer dropped the cymbal once, but i checked for cracks and it didnt have one yet. i dont know if i have bad technique, i probably do. but i usually dont crack cymbals in a month. usualy i crack them in about 2 years. also i have a warranty from musicians friend on the cymbal so its gonna be free. i can choose any crash. also im looking into a sabian aaxplosion crashes, anyone know if theyre any good. and how can i improve my technique, i dont have alotof money and a drum teacher is probably out of the question, any good sites that teach you good technique?

[playwithfire]

For now, live with the cracked crash, either cut it or drill it to slow down the crack and get as much time as you can out of it. If you still want to do the whole hardcore thing, then maybe look at an A Rock crash, great tone and is still a med-heavy cymbal, its an A so its not going to be an overly bright or dark cymbal.Do you know what you're talking about? It's an A, so it's going to *very* bright... not to mention it's relatively heavy. As are the brightest series as a whole that Zildjian has...

[PdoubleE]

have any of you heard of meinl's older cymbals called profiles aka double dragon these things sound like the were cast straight out of hell there SOOOO TRASHY sik cymbals i wish i could find them but i cant

[PdoubleE]

AAXplosion all i can say is the best bang for your buck

[spirit]

i practice about 3-4 hours a week and i have shows about once or twice a week. my lead singer dropped the cymbal once, but i checked for cracks and it didnt have one yet. i dont know if i have bad technique, i probably do. but i usually dont crack cymbals in a month. usualy i crack them in about 2 years. also i have a warranty from musicians friend on the cymbal so its gonna be free. i can choose any crash. also im looking into a sabian aaxplosion crashes, anyone know if theyre any good. and how can i improve my technique, i dont have alotof money and a drum teacher is probably out of the question, any good sites that teach you good technique?

I've bolded the bit that concerns me. You crack cymbals regularly? I've only cracked one, and that's because I was hitting it very hard in the completely wrong way. If you're cracking them more than once, then that's either some really bad luck of you need to improve your technique.

Look at the first two points on this FAQ:
http://www.paiste.com/faqs/

[Sinai Beach]

I've bolded the bit that concerns me. You crack cymbals regularly? I've only cracked one, and that's because I was hitting it very hard in the completely wrong way. If you're cracking them more than once, then that's either some really bad luck of you need to improve your technique.

Look at the first two points on this FAQ:
http://www.paiste.com/faqs/

alright i found out what i do wrong, my cymbals are flat so when i hit them it hits the edge like in figure 3. i do use the pullback stroke technique, so i will start tilting my cymbals from now on :)

[spirit]

alright i found out what i do wrong, my cymbals are flat so when i hit them it hits the edge like in figure 3. i do use the pullback stroke technique, so i will start tilting my cymbals from now on :)

That's great! Wow, I helped someone. Good stuff.

[eisle89]

It doesn't have that quick of a decay. If you want a quick decay you'll want a lighter weight ride usually. Earth rides are extra heavy. Personally I'm not a fan of Earth rides at all.

How about an AA 21" Rock Ride ?? Will this compliment my AAXplosion crashes ( 16" / 18" ) ?? Thanks for your help on this

[playwithfire]

Rock rides have a high-pitched, cutting ping, with a decent amount of wash. It's a strong rock sound. Your crashes will go fine with it.

[Dummer'n'Drummer]

I'm looking for a China:

Extremely Trashy
Very Short Sustain
Fairly Loud

Anything else I should add?

[eisle89]

Rock rides have a high-pitched, cutting ping, with a decent amount of wash. It's a strong rock sound. Your crashes will go fine with it.

Thanks again, a 21" AA Rock Ride it is

[3_times_round]

I'm looking for a China:

Extremely Trashy
Very Short Sustain
Fairly Loud

Anything else I should add?

18" Wuhan or 18" Oriental.

Maybe a 12" Wuhan if you're looking for a very short sustain.

[Ethan.]

I want a crash that sounds like:
pffffffffffff!

:lol: That's the best way I can describe it...

[Jersey's Best Dancer]

I'm getting new cymbals for x-mas and dont know exactly what I should get. I'm looking to get new hats, ride and atleast one cymbal. Price isnt TOO much of a problem..

I play in a punk band now and plan on playing punk and hard rock so I'm looking for sumthing that would fit well into the genre. Thx.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Well I'd say look at A Custom crashes and medium crashes, A New/Quick Beat hats and mastersound hats. Rides, well they are pretty personal. If you want to crash on it, I'd say a sweet ride in trad. finish is a good choice. They have IMO a really nice ride sound but hit that edge and you have a beautiful crash sound. You could also see about an A/A custom Ping ride. I have the A model 20" and its a great ride, nice defined ping with a decent amount of wash that will build up over time.

[Phototropic]

Just wanna ask if Stagg cymbals are any good?!

An old drum teacher said they are as good as the top brands

Duno wether he was being truthful

Thanks!

[Massik Kretal]

I want a crash that sounds like:
pffffffffffff!

:lol: That's the best way I can describe it...

lol Ozone crash?

[Ethan.]

Well I was listening to Moby Dick and The last crash before the drum solo sounds kind of like it...

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Just wanna ask if Stagg cymbals are any good?!

An old drum teacher said they are as good as the top brands

Duno wether he was being truthful

Thanks!

High end staggs are awesome cymbals and dirt cheap too. The mid and low end lines leave a bit to be desired though, I don't really like the trashy tones of SH and DH, and the YR's are just plain poo. Myra and up is where its at :cool:

[Double Bass Jim]

Yea i've heard nothing but great things about stagg.

[Jersey's Best Dancer]

Well I'd say look at A Custom crashes and medium crashes, A New/Quick Beat hats and mastersound hats. Rides, well they are pretty personal. If you want to crash on it, I'd say a sweet ride in trad. finish is a good choice. They have IMO a really nice ride sound but hit that edge and you have a beautiful crash sound. You could also see about an A/A custom Ping ride. I have the A model 20" and its a great ride, nice defined ping with a decent amount of wash that will build up over time.

I was looking at A customs and they do seem the best, Thx :thumb:

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

No prob, glad I could help.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

I want a Splash that has a sound to it like a triangle but also have a splash sound to it.

[VTDS_xx]

Alright. I've changed the cymbal setup. Here's what I'm buying, one at a time.

14" AAX Stage Hats
21" AA Rock Ride
19" Vault Crash
17" AA Medium Thin Crash
16" AAX Dark Crash
18" AAX Chinese
14" HHX Evo Mini Chinese
10" HHX Evo Splash
8" HH Splash
13" HH EQ Hats (Aux)

:) Will be teh shizt setup.

[3_times_round]

Alright. I've changed the cymbal setup. Here's what I'm buying, one at a time.

14" A Custom Mastersound Hats
21" A Sweet Ride
19" A Custom Crash
17" K Custom Fast Crash
16" A Custom Crash
18" A China
14" Oriental Trash
10" K Custom Splash
8" A Custom Splash
13" K Custom Dark Hats

:) Will be teh shizt setup.

Fixed. THAT will be teh shizt setup :thumb:

[playwithfire]

Well considering I don't like A Custom Mastersounds, K Custom crashes, Oriental Trashes, etc. I would have to disagree ;).

I want a Splash that has a sound to it like a triangle but also have a splash sound to it.6" A or A Custom.

[VTDS_xx]

Fixed. THAT will be teh shizt setup :thumb:
No no no. I'm Sabian's prostitute. Silly.

Btw, I would go with A New Beats over A Custom Mastersounds and K/Z Dynos over K Darks. :) Pretty sweet otherwise.

Oh yeah, 18" and 14" Trashes. Only Zildjian Chinas I like.

[chewaz]

a 22" AA rock ride or an 21" rock ride or an 24" ROCK RIDE?

[playwithfire]

Depends how much volume and wash you want man. If you want a crazy loud, dry cymbal, go with the 24". Personally, I think it would probably be the least versatile cymbal you'll ever play, and I would recommend a 21" or 22".

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

yeah a 24" would be too much, go with a 21".

[playwithfire]

Yeah, 21" Rock rides are great. 22" rides are awesome if they aren't heavy or extra heavy in general I find.

[genesisdrummer91]

i need a second crash, rite now i have a sabian HH think crash and i want something bright to go with it. preferably sabian cuz of massmusic. thanks

[Seafroggys]

^^AA's definitally....

[playwithfire]

Yeah, AA Medium is great.

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

AA Medium/medium thin, both great crashes.

[playwithfire]

I've got an 18" A Medium Thin. Great crash, same goes for the AA.

[billy_spleen]

hi,

i'm thinking of buying a new ride cymbal, but i don't know whether to choose a 20" zildjian K, or an A custom Custom Ride. i mean i realise the price and stuff is a bit different. i won't be doing any gigs or anything, just jamming around with my friends, so should i go the A?

and can somebody please tell me what the ZXTi cymbals are like?

Thanks

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

Ok, well I'll start with the easy stuff.

ZXTi are really horrible cymbals, they are made from cheap metal and sound cheap, the titanium coating does nothign but bad for them. All around stear clear.

Now, as for the K/A Custom lines your looking at two totally different sounds. The K's are dark, warm cymbals that will bend into the music while A Customs are Bright and shimmering cymbals that will cut through the music.

Ask yourself which sound you'd like. The K would be a beautiful Cymbal for jazz/pop/rock, but don't take it to a metal or hardcore gig. The A Custom Would be good for pop/rock/metal/hardcore.

[playwithfire]

Are you kidding me? A K Zildjian will fit in almost anywhere, I know metal bands that use a K heavy ride. The K line is pretty much as versatile as the A line. They can still cut, they just have a darker, trashier tone.

A Customs on the other hand, aren't any better for metal than the Ks. Most of them are thin, so have lower peak volumes, etc. A Customs can be used in jazz easily as well. I don't really know what you're going on about.

Personally, I would recommend the cheaper ride because he isn't a professional drummer.

As far as ZXTi, the titanium DOES improve the sound of them, it's just that the cymbal you're improving is so crappy in the first place that it's not worth the increase in price.

[VTDS_xx]

^But, the other K cymbals have to be played in quieter parts/used for accents in rock/metal songs otherwise they won't be heard. A's/A Cust's are really better for that type of music.

AnD Z CustoMz ofcourse!

[playwithfire]

Seriously dude, if you're usng 19" Medium Thins, a 22" K Heavy, they will cut through, and if they don't, then you need micing and A Customs wouldn't be much better.

K Customs and K Zildjians are very different. A K is still a powerful cymbal, seems like people on here sometimes just assume because they are darker that the sound is just going to disappate. It won't, Ks work amazingly in rock, and can fit fine in metal. I'd rather have K Medium Thins in rock or metal than A Custom regulars or Fast crashes, that's for sure. You have to pick the cymbal for the job, same goes with any series.

Don't limit yourself just because you think "OMG Ks are like dark! They can only be used in a setting with a max dB of like 60!"...

[Chester]

arright so im gonna go to a couple music stores around me, but they dont seem to ever have much selection...

anyways i have a 16" AAX stage crash, and im looking for a crash that would compliment it well, i dont care what brand it is, but i wouldnt want another AAX (and most likely not A custom). im gonna try out a 16" AA crash if they have it, any other ideas?

[Seafroggys]

try a different size, maybe bigger. 17" is a good crash size.

[playwithfire]

18" is better.

[Seafroggys]

well, thats true. but 17 on up is a good size.....

[playwithfire]

There isn't much difference beween 16" and 17". 16" gives you cut, 18" will give you body.

[DespisedIcon689]

Genere: Hardcore Punk

So I was thinking of getting a 16" Crash, 18" Crash, 20" Ride, 14" Hats, 18" China, and 12" Splash?

What kind of cymbals should I get?

[playwithfire]

16" A Medium crash, 18" A Medium or Medium Thin crash, 18" A china High or Oriental china Trash, 20" A Ping or Rock ride, 14" A Quick Beats, 12" A splash.

Pure perfection. If you're a Sabian man get the AA equivalents. (Medium crash, Medium/Medium Thin crash, regular china, Dry ride/Rock ride, Fusion hats, splash).

[bobby__johnny]

hey..PwF seems to be taking care of things here just fine....expect (like last year) a clean thread on my birthday

[playwithfire]

Look who's checking in :).

[bobby__johnny]

who...me?

[playwithfire]

:) Yep. The father of the cymbal finder :p. Good to see you around here again.

[Plan B.]

Yeah playwithfire, I've been meaning to say nice job to you. It's not easy giving cymbal advice over and over again.

I got lazy and stopped.

:lol:

[bobby__johnny]

how do you think I feel :lol:

i'm back though...and ready for anything

(except for people looking for weird experimental sounds....i'll just say "noiseworks" to you...and NOTHING else)

[playwithfire]

Yeah man, everyone needs a break from time to time, except Jim apparently, I've taken breaks from the forum before :thumb:. You just come back feeling refreshed :p.

And thanks for the thumbs up Plan B.

[bobby__johnny]

like about the time you came back, i left :lol:

and the funny thing is, either way, we're always on MSN

[playwithfire]

Yeah I know man. MSN can be a lot more relaxing than MX though, chatting to friends instead of dealing with a million and one questions of "What's the difference between X and Y?" and "What's the best?!" or "How do I do this?" or "Should I do this?", etc. :p. It can be frustrating sometimes.

[bobby__johnny]

not so much frustrating....as it is repetitive.

[playwithfire]

Eventually I begin to call them one and the same ;). It's like "Why won't you kids listen? arrrgh! Or if you won't listen... search! search dammit! search! This is the 18th time today that I have explained the differences between the Iron Cobras... the Eliminators... and the DW 5000s... ARRRGH" :lol:.

[DuckinFutch]

Hey, I bought a cymbal pack on Ebay:

10" splash, 14" hihats, 16" crash, 20" ride - Solar cymbals

14" Hi-hats, 16" crash - zildjian... sorry I forget what series.

All used, but in very good condition.

Was this a good buy for $150 total?

O, and a cymbal holder...

[Tim]

Hey, I bought a cymbal pack on Ebay:

10" splash, 14" hihats, 16" crash, 20" ride - Solar cymbals

14" Hi-hats, 16" crash - zildjian... sorry I forget what series.

All used, but in very good condition.

Was this a good buy for $150 total?

O, and a cymbal holder...

solars suck....even if they were new.

[playwithfire]

Depends what the Zildjians were really, but I would guess ZBT or ZXT.

[Seafroggys]

trillian is nice, i have aim and icq in one program (and msn and yim if i choose to sign up for those)

[Jomofo]

Okay, so I've got b8s, and an 18" vault crash right now. I'm looking to upgrade; I'm thinking along these lines:
14" HHX Stage Hats
17" AA Medium Thin Crash
21" AAX Stage Ride

For one, what do you think of my choices? Will they blend fine?
For two, how much difference does finish make? I was thinking that because I'm not going so much for the pingy/cutting side of the spectrum, I should go with Traditional finish. Will it make a difference in the sound of the cymbals, or am I crazy?

[3_times_round]

1) Yes
2) Brilliant finish tend to be slightly darker. I would personally choose Brilliant, but its up to you. Finish will make no difference to the degree of wash or ping (I presume).

[Jomofo]

Awesome, thanks. I don't understand though...brilliant finish=darker? Interesting...that may help my cymbals blend a bit better.
Any others with some input? It's muchly appreciated.

Oh, and by the way, I'm sort of in between the HHX Groove hats and Stage Hats. I like that the sound of the Groove hats, but they seem a little quiet, and I am looking for a bit more pedal "chick" power than what the groove hats seem to have. I AM however going off of the sabian recordings, so I'm not 100%.

[3_times_round]

Yeah, I always thought it would be the other way round too.

[playwithfire]

The difference between brilliant and traditional is basically inaudible, do don't worry about it.

[Jomofo]

Ah, okay. Anyone about the hats?

[playwithfire]

Groove hats rule, try them out in person.

[Jomofo]

I probably won't get the chance to try them out in person...'tis why this is so difficult. Thanks for the help, though.

[bobby__johnny]

brilliant = darker, although like PWF said, barely noticable....so more reason to buy Regular finish :)

[Jomofo]

^I was thinking Traditional :) .....I'm still so stuck between groove hats and stage hats....woe is me!

[playwithfire]

Traditional are the nicest man, no reason not to go with them :thumb:.

[bobby__johnny]

man..i hear ya on Groove vs stage....they both nice

buy both ;)

[playwithfire]

:lol: It's like me with New Beats vs. Mastersounds. I'm gonna buy the New Beats soon and have both :p.

[Plan B.]

Guys, how about this:


Groove mains right here -------------------------------- Stage X-Hats over here


Amazing!

[playwithfire]

Yes, yes. :):cool:.

[punkrocker2o1]

How are K/Z 13" hi-hats? I am considering some for xmas to replace my terrible hats

[Jomofo]

Okay, I'm still stuck. I play a little more rock-style, so I was thinking stage, but then I also want a very versatile hat, which everyone says the groove hats are all about...god damn.

Leaning towards groove hats at the moment. I'll probably end up going with them.

[bobby__johnny]

definatly the grooves. the weight setup is all the same...the only think i can find different, is the lathed bells, and maybe a shallower hammer mark.

[Jomofo]

Awesome. I was curious about the weights, I was going to ask and that was pretty much going to make the decision. Groove hats it is.

Hey, I've got relatives in New Brunswick. Fredricton to be exact. It's gorgeous there. How cold has it gotten over there?

[VTDS_xx]

Genere: Hardcore Punk

So I was thinking of getting a 16" Crash, 18" Crash, 20" Ride, 14" Hats, 18" China, and 12" Splash?

What kind of cymbals should I get?

Do you think a splash would fit well in that genre? Maybe you should get a 14" Crash instead, it'd better/louder for the accents you would use the splash for. Try 16" AAXplosion/A Custom Crash, 18" AA Medium Thin/A Med. Thin Crash, 21" A Sweet Ride (really works well in that genre) or a 19" Z Custom Thrash Ride, 14" A New/Quick Beats, AAX Stage Hats, HH Bright Hats, or 13" K/Z Dyno Beats ... 18" Oriental China Trash would probably be the best bet, possibly an AA Fast Chinese also.

[Bowler]

Chine wise, Whats the sabian solor 18" or the B8 14" mini like?? I'm looking at the zildjian ZBT 18" aswell.

I'm looking for a sharp loud and distinct sound!

[spirit]

Chine wise, Whats the sabian solor 18" or the B8 14" mini like?? I'm looking at the zildjian ZBT 18" aswell.

I'm looking for a sharp loud and distinct sound!

Solar - Rubbish. And I mean, rubbish. The Solar crash sounds more like a china.

ZBT - Never heard, the rest of the range isn't wonderful, but B8 metal and ZBT construction techniques probably lend themselves to loud and abrasive china cymbals.

B8 - bobby__johnny is always praising the B8Pro china, so I should imagine it's pretty good. Seems to be what youy're looking for.

Might want to also try out Wuhan/Stagg, dpending on whether you're in US or UK respectively.

If you can save enough cash, I'm a big fan of the HHX Chinese, but that's quite a step up financially.

[playwithfire]

Do you think a splash would fit well in that genre? Maybe you should get a 14" Crash instead, it'd better/louder for the accents you would use the splash for. Try 16" AAXplosion/A Custom Crash, 18" AA Medium Thin/A Med. Thin Crash, 21" A Sweet Ride (really works well in that genre) or a 19" Z Custom Thrash Ride, 14" A New/Quick Beats, AAX Stage Hats, HH Bright Hats, or 13" K/Z Dyno Beats ... 18" Oriental China Trash would probably be the best bet, possibly an AA Fast Chinese also.Of course a splash would fit well in that genre... they can fit anywhere man. A 12" A splash would suit him fine.

[VTDS_xx]

I think a smaller crash would fit alot better, or a mini (12-14") china.

[playwithfire]

Are you assuming hardcore punk means there's constantly 110 dB smashing around and you need some thick or huge cymbals to cut? A 12" splash can fit fine in metal, but all these companies put out garbage like AA Metal X, Z Custom etc, when you don't need splashes that thick, or a 14" one like the Z Customs.

He would also be able to use an A, or A Custom/AA/AAX in other genres as well.

[VTDS_xx]

No. I'm not assuming anything. As it stands I used to play in a Post Hardcore band, and I'm not illiterate on genres. A 12" can fit into Metal, just fine. But Hardcore Punk is not metal. I'm not going to get into genre conversations, but in my opinion a splash doesn't fit into that genre. Listening to bands like DK, Gorilla Biscuits, Anti Flag, The Exploited and even bands that have adopted punk drumming into their metalcore bands do not use splashes. So, with that said, I was telling him what the majority of bands in the genre he plays use; and they don't happen to be splashes.

[playwithfire]

If everyone used what everyone else in their genre used... everyone would use 14" New Beats, a 20" Medium ride and a 16" Thin crash.

Music progresses, drummers progress, there is no blueprint. You make the music you want to, and if you want to use a splash, you can use one. Who the hell cares what "drummers of that genre" use. Maybe he'd be pushing some boundaries using a splash then, if it seems like no one else ever does...

[VTDS_xx]

Or maybe since he posted that his Genre was hardcore punk he'd like to use what he hears bands in that genre playing with. He posted a 12" Splash as a possibility and I made a suggestion to him by stating that most drummers playing that type of music don't use them because they don't fit in very well. A smaller crash would have more body and would fit better, if he wants to use a splash then he can, I simply made a suggestion. :)

[bobby__johnny]

Awesome. I was curious about the weights, I was going to ask and that was pretty much going to make the decision. Groove hats it is.

Hey, I've got relatives in New Brunswick. Fredricton to be exact. It's gorgeous there. How cold has it gotten over there?

it was furkin cold yesterday....dont know about today yet...havent gone outside

[eisle89]

I got my AA 21" Rock ride and have been playing on it for about a week now, it's great. Thanks to everyone who helped in my decision. BTW I'm looking for hats now .. AAX Stages or AA Rock ?? Need to blend it all with 16" and 18" AAXplosion crashes. Like I said before, I really appreciate your expertise in this matter since I'm in a little town with no way to listen to different cymbals for myself. Thanks again

[bobby__johnny]

AAX Stages for sure.

[Seafroggys]

If everyone used what everyone else in their genre used... everyone would use 14" New Beats, a 20" Medium ride and a 16" Thin crash.

and the problem with this is....? ;)

[3_times_round]

I was VERY close to buying some 14" New Beats on ebay the other day. I think they may be my main hats in the future (swicth my 12" ACM's to AUX)

[playwithfire]

and the problem with this is....? ;)Well it'd be nice tones, but it would still be tedious.

[little_drummer_boy1]

i am looking for a mini chinese that is raw, trashy, and bright also have a large sound but a quickl decay

a chinese with a bright/cutting attack and dark/almost dirty undertones (possibly hammered?)

and finally a very dark crash with a short/quick raw decay

any help finding any of there cymbals would be much appreciated

[bobby__johnny]

Mini Chinese - 12" AAX Mini Chinese/12" Wuhan

Chinese - 20" B8 Pro Chinese (and all cymbals are hammered....except for XS20's)

Crash - Hand Hammered Fierce Crash/HHXtreme Crash

[eisle89]

AAX Stages for sure.

That will be my birthday present to myself, Thanks

[bobby__johnny]

hmmm...i dont know if i'm getting myself a birthday present or not this year....:confused:

[VTDS_xx]

Mini Chinese - 12" AAX Mini Chinese/12" Wuhan

Chinese - 18" B8 Pro Chinese (and all cymbals are hammered....except for XS20's)

Crash - HHX Stage Crash

Or that.

[aznriceball]

anyone want an 18" aax dark crash? :p

[VTDS_xx]

^As a matter of fact.

How much do you want for it? What condition is it in?

[Jublian]

What would be the sabian equivilant of wuhan s series (is there one?)?

[playwithfire]

From what I've heard they don't seem to be all that different from As or AAs.

[GooseFilms.net]

Probably A's, although Wuhans really have a sound of their own.

[Jublian]

ok, scratch that, i'm getting xs20s

[playwithfire]

...May I ask why? The S series would sound better man...

[nonsense!]

Hi. This christmas I'll have been playing drums for 3 years. Right now, the only cymbals I have are b8 hats and a b8 crash ride. I know, it's sad. I'm poor. But I finally have some money to spend! I'm going to buy a sonor 3005 and some cymbals. I really have no idea where to start on cymbals.

When I play in a band, it's either ska or alternative rock. When I jam by myself, it's really everything. I like playing to Tower of Power and Audioslave, also Weezer and Reel Big Fish.

Basically I'm looking for some really versatile cymbals, that sound great. I have no brand loyalty, so throw anything out there. Also, I have no clue what sizes I'd like so don't even try not to include one.

My first purchase will be a crash and a ride, and I'll probably pick up a crash and a splash after that. We'll see.

Help?

[DruMMeR_BoY14]

To take a leaf out of PwF's book, A's are extremly versitile. Crashes - Thin, Medium thin and Medium are all great cymbals, you'd probably want a 17" to 19" crash.

Ride, I can personally reccomend the 20" A Ping, its a great cymbal, good stick definition with fair amount of wash. You could also try the A Rock and A Medium rides, the rock will have less overtonnes than the ping, about the same amount of stick definition. The Medium will be a lot more washy, less stick definition as well.

If you want, you could also check out the Sweet ride. Again, its a washy ride but still has good amount of stick definition and hit it on the edge and it opens up into a great crash.

Splash, go for an A 10". Great splash that can be used in almost any style. If your looking for something a bit darker, look at a K Splash, the Sabian HHX Evo splashes are also pretty nice as well.

Finally when your looking into hats, get either A New Beats or Quickbeats, newbeats are argueably the most versitile hats in production. The Quickbeats are awesome hats as well, either pair will serve you well. Sabian AA Fusions are basicly the same as the quickbeats, they are a nice set of hats, tight sticking.

[VTDS_xx]

Hi. This christmas I'll have been playing drums for 3 years. Right now, the only cymbals I have are b8 hats and a b8 crash ride. I know, it's sad. I'm poor. But I finally have some money to spend! I'm going to buy a sonor 3005 and some cymbals. I really have no idea where to start on cymbals.

When I play in a band, it's either ska or alternative rock. When I jam by myself, it's really everything. I like playing to Tower of Power and Audioslave, also Weezer and Reel Big Fish.

Basically I'm looking for some really versatile cymbals, that sound great. I have no brand loyalty, so throw anything out there. Also, I have no clue what sizes I'd like so don't even try not to include one.

My first purchase will be a crash and a ride, and I'll probably pick up a crash and a splash after that. We'll see.

Help?

You should buy hats, then ride, then crashes, then effects cymbals/more crashes etc. after that.

I'm going to suggest Meinl's 14" Soundwave Medium Hats, 21" Medium Byzance Ride, 17" Medium Thin Byzance Crash.
That'll be your base setup, then you can look into splashes and chinas afterwards.

[playwithfire]

Personally I would recommend a good ride before a good pair of hats, that's a definite.

I would recommend he look into A Zildjians and Sabian AAs.

[spirit]

Well, there are a number of versatile rides. Sabian's HH Raw Bell Dry Ride is a popular choice for a good reason. Any of the A/AA/A Custom/AAX rides are likely to prove very versatile too, as long as they're not too heavy.

The same could to said of hats and crashes, anything from the "A" ranges are likely to be useful in many situations, although you should look at the other ranges.

Really, the best advice I can give is to go to your local drum shop(s) and try out all the hats/rides/crashes to find your favourite sound.

[bobby__johnny]

Personally I would recommend a good ride before a good pair of hats, that's a definite.

I would recommend he look into A Zildjians and Sabian AAs.

i agree to that. i have ****ty ****ty hats that dont sound too bad....but on the other hand, low end rides really show it

[rborghino]

Which should i get!?
The 20" RUDE power ride or the 20" 2002 heavy ride?

[playwithfire]

Rudes are trash imo. 2002s are nice.

[Cocaberry]

I have a Sabian AAX 20" Stage ride in Brilliant Finish. I was wondering which one of these would go best with my ride cymbal:

14" AAX Stage Hats
14" AAX Fast Hats
14" AA Regular Hats

I want to get my new hats in brilliant finish. I don't really know the weights of any of these hats but I am upgrading from regular XS20 hats and the new hats should be at least the same weight or a little heavier. Not too heavy though.

[playwithfire]

They would all fit in just fine dude... considering 2 of them are AAX as well, and the other is AA, which the AAX are based off of. Just get what you like the sound of best.

[genesisdrummer91]

i know i already posted about gettin a new crash, but what about a 17 inch aax studio? i liked it but then id have two thing crashes 16 and 17" wud they be too small or sumthin?

[genesisdrummer91]

i know i already posted about gettin a new crash, but what about a 17 inch aax studio? i liked it but then id have two thin crashes 16 and 17" wud they be too small or sumthin?

[Jomofo]

So update on my cymbal choices...I changed my mind on the ride.
I was going to get the 21" AAX stage ridge. I changed my mind to the 21" raw bell dry ride. It sounds perfect for what I want. One question, does it come in traditional?

[playwithfire]

Not like the Sabian site is so hard to check Mr. Lazy, but yes, it does.

[Cocaberry]

They would all fit in just fine dude... considering 2 of them are AAX as well, and the other is AA, which the AAX are based off of. Just get what you like the sound of best.

The problem is though that I can't decide. They all sound great. The AA's sound a little brighter than the other two though. I was wondering if any of you have a stage ride with any of those pairs of hi hats and what you think about it. I don't really care which of those hats I get cause all those are about the same price at MassMusic and asking around is better than picking them randomly.

[playwithfire]

I'd go with the AAs over the others, and then the AAX Stage model.

[bobby__johnny]

The problem is though that I can't decide. They all sound great. The AA's sound a little brighter than the other two though. I was wondering if any of you have a stage ride with any of those pairs of hi hats and what you think about it. I don't really care which of those hats I get cause all those are about the same price at MassMusic and asking around is better than picking them randomly.

well, what are you looking for? a general use hi-hat, a precise hat, or a responsive hat?

[Tim]

I have a Sabian AAX 20" Stage ride in Brilliant Finish. I was wondering which one of these would go best with my ride cymbal:

14" AAX Stage Hats
14" AAX Fast Hats
14" AA Regular Hats

I want to get my new hats in brilliant finish. I don't really know the weights of any of these hats but I am upgrading from regular XS20 hats and the new hats should be at least the same weight or a little heavier. Not too heavy though.


Thanks,
Eric


the stage and the reg hats. they sound so very similar. Pretty much are the same really. i own the stage hats. either way you cant go wrong with those. they are versatile hats so they will basically go with anything

[Cocaberry]

well, what are you looking for? a general use hi-hat, a precise hat, or a responsive hat?

A general use hi-hat. BTW, what weight are the stage hats?

[Bowler]

What kind of sound does a Zildjian ZXT 18" China produce?
My friend has a friend who's selling 1 in very good condition and i just wana no if its worth checkin out?!

[chewaz]

What kind of sound does a Zildjian ZXT 18" China produce?
My friend has a friend who's selling 1 in very good condition and i just wana no if its worth checkin out?!

bad go for a wuhan or an AA

[playwithfire]

Wuhan, A, AA. All are good. ZXTs are more expensive than wuhans, and sound gongy.

[Seafroggys]

A general use hi-hat. BTW, what weight are the stage hats?

General use hi-hats? Zildjian New Beats....

[playwithfire]

K dude. Really. Shut up.

Just kidding ;).

On another note, tried out my 22" A Ping ride today. It's a fine cymbal, good ping to it, a bit of wash, great bell. My 22" K Heavy has yet to come in, and that's when the final decision will be made. I also tried another 21" A Sweet ride, and I think I'll be picking one up. Probably the best crash I've *ever* heard out of a ride cymbal, just sounds really great, like a 21" A Medium crash would if they made them that big. I loved it. I also tried the 21" A Rock ride again, and decided it doesn't really compare to the Ping and Sweet. 20" A Ping was, again, disappointing.

One thing I have come to notice about A 18" Medium Thins is they all have a slight hum to them when crashed. There's the initial "PSSSSSH" but the entire time there is also an underlying "hmmmmm" undertone.

That was the cymbal related extent of my trip to the store today.

[FL3P]

Sounds like you had a good trip. What is your cymbal setup (or at least the one you generally use) anyway?

[playwithfire]

14" A Mastersound hats, 18" A Medium Thin crash, 10" A splash.

Used to be larger and more extensive but you've caught me in the middle of an overhaul ;).

[Mike Goes Numb]

So I want to replace my crappy 16" ZBT crash.

Crash
Blends as opposed to cut.
Brightish.
Medium to long decay.
Good for crash-riding. Not to be confused with playing like a ride.

[FL3P]

I understand, Im at that point where I am questioning everything. Thanks though.

[playwithfire]

Mike Goes Numb, bright cymbals cut. Dark cymbals blend. You can't blend and sound bright at the same time really. I would go with a 19" K Dark crash Thin.

FL3P, my old setup had 14" HH Regular hats, 16" HHX Stage crash, 18" AAX Bright crash, 20" HH Medium ride, 17" A Custom Fast crash, 10" A Custom splash, and a borrowed 16" AA Suspended Orchestral.

The new lineup yet to come (next few weeks) is 22" A Ping ride (probably), as well as the 21" A Sweet ride (today's test convinced me to get it instead of a 20" A Thin crash, as it has the crashability, spread, and ride capabilities that the Thin wouldn't), 18" A Medium crash, 18" A china High.

Later on I'll add in a 12" A splash, 13" A New Beats, etc.

[Plan B.]

Would a Sweet ride suit me for a main?

I want a ride I can slam on, but get some great sharp sound from too.

I was mainly thinking the Sweet, but I may need a bit more sharpness from it.

I just need something more than a K Custom Dry Light.

[playwithfire]

Shank the bell, and you'll get a cutting sharp sound. Ride the top of the bow for a piercing ping, ride the bottom of the bow for a washy tone, and crash the edge for a massive crash you can really lay into.

[FL3P]

I didnt like the sweet rides that I have heard but I can understand how they would make a great crash. Im on an A Custom kick but one of these days I need to compare some As and A Customs again and see what I think.

[playwithfire]

I did, and I made the wholesale switch to As.

One of these days I'm special ordering a bunch of custom Sabians though :thumb:. Probably a set of 5.

[FL3P]

Ive been playing around on the Zildjian site and found some of the As sound nice on there. I remember when I first tried a Ping ride, I didnt think there was much of a ping. Back then I wanted to hear that ping but now I think Id like the mix of wash and ping that it seems to have going on. Why did you swich from Sabian in the first place?

[playwithfire]

It was more of a "I bought Zildjian, bought Sabians because it was an offer I couldn't refuse, sold it all, and went for what I really loved" kind of deal :lol:. I think most people are a little taken back by the wash on ping and rock rides... What they don't realize is that wash helps project the ping, and when playing with guitars, all you hear is that ping, ping, ping.

Sweet rides and 22" Ping rides compliment each other well. The Sweet ride has a wash that you can really work with, from a gentle base to a deafening roar, and doubles as a huge crash. Like the jazz adage, "every crash needs to be a ride and every ride needs to be a crash". The Ping ride is more one-dimensional and straight forward. It has massive cut, and a killer bell. Playing both you have everything you could ever want.

In fact, I think if I had to minimize a setup it would be Mastersounds and those two cymbals.

[FL3P]

I would consider the ping ride again now I think but I havent seen one around in a while to try against the one I have now.

[playwithfire]

What do you have now?

On another note, I'm very excited for next couple of weeks. Should be more than doubling my cymbal collection. :thumb:.

[FL3P]

I have an A Custom medium ride and I must say that its a very nice ride. However I have been thinking more about trying some good old raw, natural sounding cymbals lately. I still like the A Customs and might try and mix and match and see what I come up with.

[playwithfire]

A Customs sound too shimmery and glassy. As have a fuller tone, a nicer cut, look nicer, and have more presence and bite imo.

[Iskandar]

Ive been playing around on the Zildjian site and found some of the As sound nice on there. I remember when I first tried a Ping ride, I didnt think there was much of a ping. Back then I wanted to hear that ping but now I think Id like the mix of wash and ping that it seems to have going on
I have the 20" Ping and I will defend it against the naysayers. It does have ping enough, balanced by a moderate amount of overtone. It's a good all-around ride. If you expected a thrash-metal type of extremely dry, metallic ping you'll be disappointed though.

However, don't forget that as with all cast cymbals, it depends on the individual cymbal.

[FL3P]

I will agree for the most part. I have changed just about everything about my kit this past year and still diont feel like I am satisfied. I just went from one snare drum to four and have more gear then I know what to do with. It never ends I tell ya! And yeah you should be excited about geting those ny cymbals, sounds like you have a good plan.

[playwithfire]

Yeah, I totally agree man. I just found those cymbals weren't what I wanted, dug in, and found that I was really after some natural, bright, versatile sounds.

[FL3P]

I tried the 18" A medium crash on the site and have tried the medium and medium-thin crashes a few times at stores. The idea of looking at a 20" ping, 18" medium thin and 18" medium and maybe even new beats ( I also have the 14" A Custom Mastersounds) is getting more tempting every time I hear of or hear good old As again. I just got the 18" china high and its exactly what I needed.

[Cocaberry]

General use hi-hats? Zildjian New Beats....

New beats? Out of AA Regular hats and AAX Stage hats?

[playwithfire]

I have an 18" A Medium Thin crash, and an 18" A Medium crash is one of my purchases I'm talking about. They are all fantastic. 20" Pings have good definition if playing with a band, I would still recommend the 22".

[FL3P]

How does the bigger size affect the ping ride? Does it make the ping stronger or is the bigger one more washy? I like to crash my ride but still like a nice strong ping. I also want to be able to play softer stuf with it.

[playwithfire]

It dries the cymbal out and adds volume, so yes, there is less wash. Neither 20" or 22" Ping ride is crashable.

[FL3P]

Really? I thought they were quite crashable, they even sounded very washy on the website. Its been a while since Ive heard one for myself.

[playwithfire]

Crash potential is about more than just wash FL3P. It's about weight, bow, and bell size as well. You get more of a gong out of Ping rides, whereas Sweet rides actually can be mistaken as a crash that got marked wrong in my opinion.

[FL3P]

Yeah but I didnt find there to be much ping at all with the sweet ride. The ride I have has is good for both so Im not in a big hurry to switch but Im just trying to find my options.

[playwithfire]

Sweet rides don't have that much ping in comparison to others, they are more blended and versatile. Generally you'll find pingy rides crash like crap, and washy rides crash well because in most cases the washy rides are thinner, and the pingy rides are heavier. Weight and profile are *huge* factors in crashability of rides.

[FL3P]

Because the A Customs are thinner and more shimmery they tend to crash well but of course if you dont want that shimmery sound then its harder to find that versatlity. Of course its always tough to find that perfect ride.

[playwithfire]

It's impossible to find the perfect ride. It can be perfect for a situation, but never perfect. I'd like a ride that has volume capabilities that range from soft as a whisper, to deafeningly loud. I want it to have a perfect ping in the bell, a sharp cut when shanked, a bow that near the bell is ultra-dry and pingy, a lower bow that is the ultimate in controllable wash, and all in a cymbal that has a great crash. I'll never find one.

It's easy to find those sounds in other cymbal series though, there are heavy and thin A Customs, just like there are heavy and thin As.

[FL3P]

I have thought of having two rides as well but theres only so much room. I like your idea of having the sweet ride and ping ride.

[playwithfire]

I'll show you how I'll have it mounted up when I get it set up, I'll post some pics. It actually works spectacularly. It doesn't take up that much room, adds extra sounds and versatility.

[FL3P]

Cool man, I look forward to seeing your new setup.

[Iskandar]

It dries the cymbal out and adds volume, so yes, there is less wash. Neither 20" or 22" Ping ride is crashable.
If you want the sound of a crash being crashed, then no. But if you want the sound of a ride being crashed. ...

[playwithfire]

That's not usually an enjoyable sound. There's a reason it's called "crashability" not "ride-being-crashed potential". Most rides being crashed sound like gongy pieces of crap, somewhere in between Crash County and Gong Land in it's own little country called Garbage.

[Iskandar]

That's not usually an enjoyable sound. There's a reason it's called "crashability" not "ride-being-crashed potential". Most rides being crashed sound like gongy pieces of crap, somewhere in between Crash County and Gong Land in it's own little country called Garbage.
Yes, but there are times when a heavy ride can be crashed and that sound can be useful.

[bobby__johnny]

take my dry ride for example. 20", medium-heavy, small bell. sounds like crap crashed

take a thin, big bell sweet ride though...and well...thats just a big crash with definition

[chewaz]

a HH Heavy ride 22"? how good for rock and some jazz, bossa, blues and maybe punk

[playwithfire]

Yes, but there are times when a heavy ride can be crashed and that sound can be useful.I can think of one. When you are playing Lateralus, and don't have a nice big gong like Danny Carey.

[Iskandar]

I can think of one. When you are playing Lateralus, and don't have a nice big gong like Danny Carey.
See? There you go.

:)

[Mike Goes Numb]

So I want to replace my crappy 16" ZBT crash.

Crash
Blends as opposed to cut.
Dark.
Medium to long decay.
Good for crash-riding. Not to be confused with playing like a ride.

Wow, brain fart. I have no idea why I wrote bright. So basically, I fixed it. Any suggestions?

[playwithfire]

K Dark crash Thins. My advice still stands.

[Mike Goes Numb]

Wow, Im doing bad tonight, missed that in your last post playwithfire. I'll definetly have to check one of those out. The sample sounds wonderful enough.

[playwithfire]

Dark crash Medium Thin would be good too, try out the 17" and 19" of each.

[Plan B.]

Yes, I'd say look more into the Med. Thins if you wanna be crash riding it too. The 17" Thins tend to max out, and peak, and my 19" Thin is like full wash, so you may want a little more definition.

[Iskandar]

Dark crash Medium Thin would be good too, try out the 17" and 19" of each.
Yes, those are god.

[little_drummer_boy1]

i beleive that it is possible to match a second crash to another one based only on the first cymbal ans i was wondering if this applies to other cymbals, ex. hi-hats from a ride?

if so, which hi-hats would you recommend for;
sabian raw bell dry ride/zildjian k custom ride?

[yourstruly]

It's about time I got a new crash, my dented/cracked istanbul really just isn't doin it for me. Would saving up for a A Custom medium 18 inch crash be a good choice?

[Aaron]

i beleive that it is possible to match a second crash to another one based only on the first cymbal ans i was wondering if this applies to other cymbals, ex. hi-hats from a ride?

if so, which hi-hats would you recommend for;
sabian raw bell dry ride/zildjian k custom ride?

K Custom Dark Crash 17" or over
K Custom Special Dry Crashes

[Aaron]

It's about time I got a new crash, my dented/cracked istanbul really just isn't doin it for me. Would saving up for a A Custom medium 18 inch crash be a good choice?
yes. quite versetile.

[Aaron]

That's not usually an enjoyable sound. There's a reason it's called "crashability" not "ride-being-crashed potential". Most rides being crashed sound like gongy pieces of crap, somewhere in between Crash County and Gong Land in it's own little country called Garbage.
just off Thrash-Ride Lane :lol:

[spirit]

i beleive that it is possible to match a second crash to another one based only on the first cymbal ans i was wondering if this applies to other cymbals, ex. hi-hats from a ride?

if so, which hi-hats would you recommend for;
sabian raw bell dry ride/zildjian k custom ride?

Well, it kinda depends on the music your playing and personal preference, but...

HHX Groove hats
HHX Evolution hats
K Custom Special Dry hats
K Custom Session hats

[little_drummer_boy1]

i would like hats to play with rock - heavy metal but i usually prefer more studio sounding cymbals

[Seafroggys]

new beats

[meizmatt]

im looking to pick up some new hats,
price range: 100-300 USD
brands: any, no preference
need: versatility, recording ease, use in: metal, jazz, rock anything in between
Size: 14"
anyhelp would be appreciated

[Tim]

aax stage hats

[Bowler]

What do ye think of Meinl Byzance cymbals? I'm looking at a classic china.

[VTDS_xx]

AAX Stage Hats, A Custom or Z Custom Mastersounds, possibly K/Z Dyno Beats or Byzance Mediums if you like Meinl, great brand.
Classic Chinas are a thumbs down. I wouldn't reccomend one.
Go with a AA Fast China or AAXtreme. ;)

[3_times_round]

i would like hats to play with rock - heavy metal but i usually prefer more studio sounding cymbals

14" A/Z Combo with ZC on top.

[Tim]

14" A/Z Combo with ZC on top.

then that would defeat the purpose of having an A at all. if youre gonna do that lose the Z and just get a damn A pair.

[3_times_round]

It doesn't "Defeat the purpose" at all.
It provides a heavier sound with a slight musicality hint.

[Seafroggys]

im looking to pick up some new hats,
price range: 100-300 USD
brands: any, no preference
need: versatility, recording ease, use in: metal, jazz, rock anything in between
Size: 14"
anyhelp would be appreciated

New Beats

[DuckinFutch]

Hey how much do you think I could expect to get for the following cymbals, all used but in very good condition, no cracks and not many stick marks:

Solar 20" Ride
Solar 16" Crash
Solar 14" Hi-hats
Solar 10" splash
and maybe a pair or either ZBT plus or regular ZBT zildjian 14" hi-hats.

I've partially upgraded my cymbals and need some new heads and stands, will these maybe cover at least that?

[Iskandar]

Hey how much do you think I could expect to get for the following cymbals, all used but in very good condition, no cracks and not many stick marks:

Solar 20" Ride
Solar 16" Crash
Solar 14" Hi-hats
Solar 10" splash
and maybe a pair or either ZBT plus or regular ZBT zildjian 14" hi-hats.

I've partially upgraded my cymbals and need some new heads and stands, will these maybe cover at least that?
You won't get much except from severe n00bs. I wouldn't bank on more than $100 for all of the Solars, maybe.

[DuckinFutch]

alright, well that's pretty good, I should be able to at least get my heads with that...

And maybe a stand or so...

Any estimate on the ZBT hi-hats?

[Brokensticks]

New Beats


The last 2 posts by you that's all you've said. I'm certain if I look back a couple pages I will see more of it :lol:

[Bowler]

I've heard mixed feelings about the zildjian ZXT china's. Do they really dent that easy or are people just striking them wrong?

I can get a 16" for £50 = 75 euro = $88
or a 18" for £75 = 111 euro = $132

which is the better or should i stay away!!

[Tim]

I've heard mixed feelings about the zildjian ZXT china's. Do they really dent that easy or are people just striking them wrong?

I can get a 16" for £50 = 75 euro = $88
or a 18" for £75 = 111 euro = $132

which is the better or should i stay away!!

stay away. get a wuhan. cheaper...better. win win situation.

[Bowler]

Thanks i'll look into it straight away, can you get wuhan in Europe? I'm in Ireland and have never seen 1!

[Chris]

Thanks i'll look into it straight away, can you get wuhan in Europe? I'm in Ireland and have never seen 1!

Wembley drum centre stock them.

But your best bet is too look into Stagg China's if your from Ireland.

[Tim]

Thanks i'll look into it straight away, can you get wuhan in Europe? I'm in Ireland and have never seen 1!

yeah as chris said look into the stag ones then. basically the same.

[full collapse]

Ok, I need some suggestions for these cymbals. Any brand. Do whatever you think is right. Mix match brands, anything.

Hi Hat's
Crash 1 (No smaller then 17" for the crashes please)
Crash 2
Ride

They need to be somewhat versatile.
I can see myself playing in a few types of different bands in the future. So, they need to be able to compliment each well. Range goes from soft rock, indie, pop-rock, rock, hardcore, and metal. You get the idea. Just different hybrids of rock basically.

[Drum Phil]

yeah as chris said look into the stag ones then. basically the same.

I have 2 of the SH ones and can try and get sound clips if it'll help

[Tim]

Ok, I need some suggestions for these cymbals. Any brand. Do whatever you think is right. Mix match brands, anything.

Hi Hat's
Crash 1 (No smaller then 17" for the crashes please)
Crash 2
Ride

They need to be somewhat versatile.
I can see myself playing in a few types of different bands in the future. So, they need to be able to compliment each well. Range goes from soft rock, indie, pop-rock, rock, hardcore, and metal. You get the idea. Just different hybrids of rock basically.

Example of bands- Straylight Run, Death Cab For Cutie, Boys Night Out, Circa Survive, Gatsby's American Dream, Hidden In Plain View, Northstar, Thursday, Refused, Underminded, Underoath, Hopesfall, Converge, Dillinger Escape Plan, Ed Gein, Reflux.

Sorry this is so complicated. Only way I could really describe what I wanted. Cymbals that can be played in these type of musical context.

Hi-hats- AA regular hats or AAX stage hats
Crashes- 17inch AA medium thin crash 18inch AA medium crash
ride-hand hammered raw bell dry ride

[Seafroggys]

Ok, I need some suggestions for these cymbals. Any brand. Do whatever you think is right. Mix match brands, anything.


Hi Hat's = New Beats

I think I have three of these on one page :thumb:

[pearlmark]

Im looking for a website that sells cheap wuhans and ships worldwide....? anyone help me out

[Blinded]

I play metal and I'd like to find a ride with a mega-bell, any suggestions ? I've tried the Zildjian's Z mega-bell 22" but i'd like ot know if other brand make some of these mega-bell rides

[Iskandar]

alright, well that's pretty good, I should be able to at least get my heads with that...

And maybe a stand or so...

Any estimate on the ZBT hi-hats?
Maybe $100 for the pair, if you're lucky.

[Daven]

Well, I need to buy a ride and the brands im thinking are Zildjian, Paiste and Sabian. So if someone could recommend me a good ride that doesnt cost too much would be extremely appreciated. I dont know this is important but the genre I will mostly play is rock or metal.

[bobby__johnny]

ok...now what kind of sound are you looking for?

[full collapse]

I'm kind of going back in forth between a few rides. Does anybody know what the volume range is for the Zildjian A 22" Ping ride. Can it be played at a soft volume comfortably?

[Daven]

ok...now what kind of sound are you looking for?

Im not sure man, since this would be my first ride because the drumset i bought didnt include it. What sound would you recommend? Or what type of sounds are? Sorry for bthe lack for information.

[Plan B.]

I'm basically looking for a sound exactly like this.

http://www.videocodezone.com/videos/y/yeah_yeah_yeahs/maps.html

I know it says on the Zildjian website that Brian Chase uses a 22" K Heavy Ride, but I'm not totally sure that would acheive the same sound, because I have played one in person. Maybe I'm just werided out but I'd like to get a few suggestions so I could check 'em all out.

I love how you can hear the bright ping clearly, but there's a tiny bit of wash, but when he crashes on it becomes sharp and spreads, full and massive. You can see he barely even uses his cymbal on his left, that's ALL him crashing on the ride.

[full collapse]

Well, cymbals are always going to sound different on recordings then in person.

[bobby__johnny]

Im not sure man, since this would be my first ride because the drumset i bought didnt include it. What sound would you recommend? Or what type of sounds are? Sorry for bthe lack for information.

well, if your unsure, check out the 20" AA Medium Ride. if its too bright or too pingy, or too washy, we can take it from there

[Cripple]

well, I'm finally getting a new pair of hats. But I am debating between the Zildjian New Beats and the Mastersounds. Which one would you suggest?

[Iskandar]

well, I'm finally getting a new pair of hats. But I am debating between the Zildjian New Beats and the Mastersounds. Which one would you suggest?
They're both good. Try them both out.

[DespisedIcon689]

Need a pair of hi-hats...(ZBT's suck a$$ because I have them right now)

For Hardcore/Punk

[Plan B.]

A Quick beats, A Rock hats.

AA Regular, AA Fusion, AA Rock hats.

Check those babies out.

:lol:

Almost forgot K/Z's.

[Chester]

im looking for a second crash to compliment my 16" AAX stage crash, dont care what brand or nething. i asked this a little while ago, but noone directly answered me or gave me suggestions.

[Seafroggys]

well, I'm finally getting a new pair of hats. But I am debating between the Zildjian New Beats and the Mastersounds. Which one would you suggest?

New Beats

Need a pair of hi-hats...(ZBT's suck a$$ because I have them right now)

For Hardcore/Punk

New Beats

[Chester]

^^ haha, is it just me, or do u seem to like new beats?