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BassasonicMuthaplucka
12-23-2004, 07:35 PM
hey guys
this is my first thread, but most of you know me. Anyway, Me and a very select few of my friends heavily favor 70's and 60's progressive rock (If they decide to tour, me and my buddies will kill for Jethro Tull tickets this summer). I guess what the main point I'm trying to make is, how many of you guys are really into prog rock. I can be very helpful if you have any questions on prog, as can this website:
www.progarchives.com
well, post away.
Oh yeah, if any of the older members have seen some prog shows, I would love to hear about them.
:wave:
thelowsoundofbass
12-23-2004, 07:37 PM
i like rush, i guess you could say that i like prog but i don't listen to much of it.
lowsound
BassVirtuoso
12-23-2004, 07:38 PM
I didn't know Jethro Tull was prog...but I like prog...
MikeRatcliffe
12-23-2004, 07:43 PM
I listen to some King Crimson. But how does one define something as Prog rock?
FenderJazzMan
12-23-2004, 08:38 PM
Could someone post a list of a few prog. rock bands?
Rush
Yes
Dream Theater
King Crimson
The Mars Volta
Pink Floyd
Omega Red
12-23-2004, 08:42 PM
king crimson
mars volta
pink floyd
sigur ros
BassVirtuoso
12-23-2004, 08:44 PM
I consider Opeth, Rhapsody, and Mr. Bungle prog, but that's just me. I only say Mr. Bungle is prog because nothing else makes sense.
thelowsoundofbass
12-23-2004, 08:44 PM
would you consider any of les claypools bands prog???
lowsound
FenderJazzMan
12-23-2004, 08:45 PM
Is floyd really prog?
thelowsoundofbass
12-23-2004, 08:54 PM
Is floyd really prog?
i sy that they are, long songs and crazy stuff IMO = prog.
lowsound
Is floyd really prog?
Yes, prog/art/psychadelic rock.
would you consider any of les claypools bands prog???
lowsound
I would without a doubt.
thelowsoundofbass
12-23-2004, 08:58 PM
I would without a doubt.
which ones?? i think that frog brigade wold fall into that. but i havn't really heard much from his other besides primus.
lowsound
Duncster
12-23-2004, 11:00 PM
I saw DT and Yes awhile ago. They were both really great, although I would really love to see a DTonly show since they didn't have much time. But Yes really put on an amazing show
Crapdragoon
12-23-2004, 11:01 PM
i like music!
asshead27
12-23-2004, 11:20 PM
would you consider any of les claypools bands prog???
lowsound
les and the rest of primus were heavily influenced by rush, and have a few prog elements, so yes.
i define prog as weird time signatures, mystical lyrics, very scalar bassed riffs and PROGressions. however, a few bands that you guys are naming arent relly prog to me. i think what defines progressive rock is the progressions, not the art or the fact that they dont fit anywhere else. so here is a list of my favourite prog bands.............
dream theater (all time favourite band)
king crimson
rush
yes
andomeda
the flower kings
symphony x (more speed metal, but has some newer prog elements)
platypus
liquid tension experiment
spiral architect
ayreon
gordion knot
it pisses me off when people try to define all this crap with genre's, and eventually totally LOOSE the entire aspect of "music".
Maybe you havn't heard this enough-but seriously, it's getting to the point where people won't even bother with a band or artist because they don't fit they're "genre".
So for gods sake just listen to the **** shlt you think sounds good.
And for those of you who wanna say you wern't doing anything-good for you. I'm just talking out my ass anyways. haha
asshead27
12-24-2004, 12:15 AM
it pisses me off when <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56">people</a> try to define all this crap with genre's, and eventually totally LOOSE the entire aspect of "music".
Maybe you havn't heard this enough-but seriously, it's getting to the point where <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56">people</a> won't even bother with a band or artist because they don't fit they're "genre".
So for gods sake just listen to the **** shlt you think sounds good.
And for those of you who wanna say you wern't doing anything-good for you. I'm just talking out my ass anyways. haha
if this is directed at me, i have really taken offense to this. i am shocked at how easily somebody can jump out and tweak at a simple remark. in my post, i was simply saying what prog means to me, and when i think of prog, the first things that come to mind are the time signatures, mystical lyrics, and scalar progressions not art. excuse me for stating my opinion which was different from somebody who posted before me, i wasnt aware it was wrong.
secondly, "i cant listen to anything unless it meets my definition of prog!!" sounds a little stupid, and i agree. i love prog, but i also love death metal (SFU all the way), speed metal, classic rock, punk, funk, motown, and just about everything else on the planet (and yes that is including a bit of rap).
sorry if it seems as if i have over reacted, but to me it really seems as if sade's post was directed at me. maybe a i misunderstood it, but am still a little offended. if i am incorrect, please correct me sade.
Low-B-Mundy
12-24-2004, 12:37 AM
Dude your only 16 and your into Progrock :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Being an old guy let me think about the shows that I've been to and i'll put togather a list
Count me in on any thing you got going with prog :thumb:
P.S. I've been to the web site the first time was about two years ago :D
bassaholica2004
12-24-2004, 12:53 AM
Heh, right now I'm listening to Exit Stage Left by Rush. Geddy Lee is one of the best bassists I have ever heard!
Other than them, heres a list of some of my favorite Prog bands:
Dream Theater
Yes
Pink Floyd
Spiral Architect (whoa)
Demilich (prog Death Metal band, very wierd, very cool)
Necrophagist (another Death Metal band; very, VERY technical)
I guess I would call Burzum prog-Black Metal too. I don't really know what the hell he is, but its very cool and very different. Very minimalistic, but I call it prog.
Low-B-Mundy
12-24-2004, 12:55 AM
A few bands not listed
Genesis
ELP
Marillion
Spock's Beard
Who
GLASS HAMMER
CAMEL
more to come...............
and FYI I like all kinds of music ............... Okay NO RAP
Low-B-Mundy
12-24-2004, 12:58 AM
Heh, right now I'm listening to Exit Stage Left by Rush. Geddy Lee is one of the best bassists I have ever heard!
Other than them, heres a list of some of my favorite Prog bands:
Dream Theater
Yes
Pink Floyd
Spiral Architect (whoa)
Demilich (prog Death Metal band, very wierd, very cool)
Necrophagist (another Death Metal band; very, VERY technical)
I guess I would call Burzum prog-Black Metal too. I don't really know what the hell he is, but its very cool and very different. Very minimalistic, but I call it prog.
What is cool is there are some bands that I haven't heard of before .... I'm going to check them out :thumb:
bassaholica2004
12-24-2004, 01:03 AM
What is cool is there are some bands that I haven't heard of before .... I'm going to check them out :thumb:
The Death Metal ones are a bit extreme, just a word of warning. They're very interesting, though, especially Demilich. Burzum is an ambient-type of music (depending on the album actually) but I reccomend Hvis Lyset Tar Oss if you want to check him out. He makes some very depressing and strange music.
Jaded
12-24-2004, 01:27 AM
Prog can be awesome. Big fan of Chris Squire, Floyd, Rush.
twopelu
12-24-2004, 03:09 AM
hey guys
this is my first thread, but most of you know me. Anyway, Me and a very select few of my friends heavily favor 70's and 60's progressive rock (If they decide to tour, me and my buddies will kill for Jethro Tull tickets this summer). I guess what the main point I'm trying to make is, how many of you guys are really into prog rock. I can be very helpful if you have any questions on prog, as can this website:
www.progarchives.com
well, post away.
Oh yeah, if any of the older members have seen some prog shows, I would love to hear about them.
:wave:
Seeing you avatar I cant be anywhere but in your side! :lol:
Dream Theater prog stuff rules.
Prog can be awesome. Big fan of Chris Squire, Floyd, Rush.
exactly, who cares what sorta of music it is? its dammed good just the same :thumb:
Machines
12-24-2004, 03:59 AM
I'm into Dream Theater / Opeth / Rush / Alan Parsons Project / Camel :thumb:
Anorak
12-24-2004, 04:06 AM
prog rock rules
kev1811
12-24-2004, 07:35 AM
Dude your only 16 and your into Progrock :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Being an old guy let me think about the shows that I've been to and i'll put togather a list
Count me in on any thing you got going with prog :thumb:
P.S. I've been to the web site the first time was about two years ago :D
slightly random and off topic, i was only 14 when i got into floyd and dream theater. love prog so much
Thunder Fingers
12-24-2004, 07:38 AM
hmm.. only prog im an fan of is Rush...
neal_672
12-24-2004, 07:45 AM
w00t Prog rules.
Floyd (!!!!!!!!!!!) Rush, Mars Volta, Dream Theater, Jethro Tull, Genesis, Marrillion it's all good :thumb:
Trouland
12-24-2004, 07:52 AM
Hi All,
I love prog and all of the bands listed I think would fall into that genre. I am currently working with some truely outstanding musicians on our own prog project. To write truely good prog music is very challanging. I have seen most of the bands listed above live, I even saw Jethro Tull at the Boston Garden in 1977, very good! I go see Dream Theater every time they come by Minneapolis, they are very impressive live.
TR
peeted
12-24-2004, 07:52 AM
i think i like prog alltho im not shure i like rush, yes, primus, dream theater, king crimson, pink floyed, emerson lake and palmer, Genesis, frank zappa, tool, liquid tension experement and symphoney x. now as far as i know there all prog but im not shure, its such a hard genre to describe
mysticalpotatohead
12-24-2004, 07:56 AM
A few bands not listed
Genesis
ELP
Marillion
Spock's Beard
Who
GLASS HAMMER
CAMEL
more to come...............
and FYI I like all kinds of music ............... Okay NO RAP
OSI????LTE????
Mitchell Royce
12-24-2004, 08:05 AM
Wait, Mars Volta is considered Prog!
neal, i have to concede what I said yesterday, I guess I do listen to prog pretty regularly if the Mars Volta are prog.
BassasonicMuthaplucka
12-24-2004, 08:40 AM
I define prog as a lot of different styles. In some ways, I see alot of fusion like Jaco, the Flecktones and Return To Forever as prog. Same with Funkadelic's concept album.
Even stuff like the Dead and Phish (the Gamehendge saga) can sorta be prog rock.
I do consider Pink Floyd and Primus prog. Prog is usually music about society, the supernatural, transcendentalism, and non-conformity, and sometimes, just weird stuff.
I like Van Der Graff Generator, even though they're not really well known in America. Tool is definetely prog-metal, same with DT. Has anyone heard King's X? It's the guitarist and drummer from Platypus (John Myung's side project) plus this guy who plays 12-string bass. Yes, Tull, ELP, Crimson, the Moody Blues and Genesis defined prog in the 60s-70s.
Whereas most rock evolved from the Blues (The rolling Stones, Seger, Clapton), I think prog evolved from jazz elements and people like John Coltrane and Miles Davis, who broke the standard three- chord arrangement.)
A lot of people believe prog sorta died out in the late 70s-80s with punk, because, by that time, grittier music had begun to replace the self -indulgence of long prog rock songs. However, unlike some genres (disco), prog had staying power and appealed to various people who were into musical exploration (this is how we get DT, Tool, the Mars Volta and Primus). After all, a prog album (Dark Side of the Moon) was on the top of the charts for over a decade.
People don't like prog because its all about theatrics and imagery through their music. The vocals set the stage and act out the characters (Peter Gabriel) while the band illustrates the pictures, sometimes for 45 minutes on a single theme (how many prog rockers does it take to change a lightbulb? One, but it takes him about 10 minutes).
Others don't favor it because of stuff like loud, indulgent, weird solos (DT, Van Der Graff Generator, King Crimson, ELP), but true progheads simply eat the stuff up.
Keep on posting.
Low B Mundy, more info about Peter Gabriel, if you've been to his studio.
Also anyone whos seen prog shows, please inform me,
and, hey, If you don't like these kinds of threads , don't post in them, b/c you'll just be wasting your time.
BassasonicMuthaplucka
12-24-2004, 08:46 AM
exactly, who cares what sorta of music it is? its dammed good just the same :thumb:
Well, no one cares, but it doesn't hurt to just talk about it
:thumb:
BassasonicMuthaplucka
12-24-2004, 08:49 AM
it pisses me off when people try to define all this crap with genre's, and eventually totally LOOSE the entire aspect of "music".
Maybe you havn't heard this enough-but seriously, it's getting to the point where people won't even bother with a band or artist because they don't fit they're "genre".
So for gods sake just listen to the **** shlt you think sounds good.
And for those of you who wanna say you wern't doing anything-good for you. I'm just talking out my ass anyways. haha
I value your opinion. I listen to all kinds of music and used to be a major rap fan. Now I've grown up, but my dad and I will still listen to Tupac. If you don't want to post, then don't bother those who do. :upset:
slickric3462
12-24-2004, 09:35 AM
listen to evergrey...theyre a fantastic prog band. not too tecnhical but i love em.
necrophagist isnt prog either...and they are extremely talented but its way too technical, theres no heart behind the music it seems like.
And for the sake of convorsation-Mars Volta isn't prog. ...in the slightest.
Grateful Undead starring Jerry
12-24-2004, 10:37 AM
I'm a member on ProgArchives, and hope to see you all there.
BassasonicMuthaplucka
12-24-2004, 11:27 AM
is it hard to register?
Esp Griffyn
12-24-2004, 12:00 PM
Well, my brother lsitens to Genesis. And the Mahavisnu Orchestra. And a few other bands. like Neurosis and Today Is The Day, who are about as apocalyptic as prog gets.
neal_672
12-24-2004, 12:02 PM
And for the sake of convorsation-Mars Volta isn't prog. ...in the slightest.
All depends on your definition. It certainly holds all the hallmarks of prog in my opinion, and i know many many people in the alt/indie forum who consider them prog also... But at the end of the day it's all open to debate i guess...
Duncster
12-24-2004, 12:06 PM
And for the sake of convorsation-Mars Volta isn't prog. ...in the slightest.
There new CD is haha... 30 minute song. One of the greatest songs ever.
Edit: To BV- Yeah MR bungle is messed. Like every song belong to a different genre :D
I especially like that song by them "sober" I think thats whats its called..
Esp Griffyn
12-24-2004, 12:10 PM
Listening to Starship Trooper right now! Meshuggah and Pig Destroyer would probably like to be seen as "prog metal" now, because they have both just released long songs [I by Meshuggah and natasha by PD]. So I guess they would say they were prog, but I would suggest that its simply to drum up a bit of interest.
twopelu
12-24-2004, 12:59 PM
If you all know that much about prog stuff...why dont you post an article about it in the "How to play X genre" Thread?
Here: http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274887&highlight=genre
(I wanted to write something about it but I was too tired after writing some of those articles)
Come on guys. Prog-rock and Prog-Metal to be done.
(read some of the articles already there if you have the time)
bassaholica2004
12-24-2004, 01:41 PM
I'm actually in a sorta Progressive Death Metal band right now called Artificial Eternity. We have the low vocals and everything, but the music is very technical and different than what you would expect from DM. Also, I'm one of the only bassists I know in DM that uses a 6 string :D. Currently our longest song is a 11 minute thrash song called Iron Fist. The end is an amazingly technical part going into a 2 minute guitar solo, and then into a mini bass solo. I wish we could get some of our stuff online, but we can't record it yet.
ToastedPlunger
12-24-2004, 02:52 PM
I saw Rush in Milwaukee over the summer. Great show. For being around fifty years old those guys can play. The show was almost three hours long and they didn't seem to get tired.
I really would have liked to see King Crimson on one of their more recent tours but I never got the chance to. My dream Crimson show would be to see them play with John Wetton. I mean Tony Levin is great but something about Wetton just gets me.
neal_672
12-24-2004, 02:56 PM
There new CD is haha... 30 minute song. One of the greatest songs ever.
Wait! Their new album is out!? Or is this just in the US or something?! Because i haven't seen it here!
spankyoplank
12-24-2004, 03:04 PM
I love rush, i can't say i'm a huge progger cos i don't know much, but i like what i've heard. Rush, Yes and stuff like that, a lot of the best bass is by proggers Geddy Lee, Chris Squire and stuff like that.
Mitchell Royce
12-24-2004, 03:05 PM
Neal, the new songs are on Kazaa for the Mars Volta album which is supposed to come out in march. There's a lot of fakes though, so be careful.
BassasonicMuthaplucka
12-24-2004, 03:53 PM
I strongly reccomend listening to Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, or The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway by Genesis, as Mike Rutherford is an excellent bassist.
Tony Levin isn't even playing with KC anymore (its now Fripp, Trey Gunn, Adrian Belew and Pat Massoletto). Wetton was with Uriah Heep for a long time, so I recommend them if you have a Wetton fetish. Greg Lake of ELP was KC's first bassist/lead singer. Check out 21st Century Schizoid Man for starters, as it had a great bassline.
albinoblacksheep
12-24-2004, 04:34 PM
3 Prog.Bands I really dig are Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater and Symphony X.
BassasonicMuthaplucka
12-24-2004, 06:07 PM
p.s. toast my KC picture in my avatar was almost the Larks' Tongue cover as well
Low-B-Mundy
12-27-2004, 04:26 PM
3 Prog.Bands I really dig are Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater and Symphony X.
Just got my first Porcupine Tree CD last week .......... not bad ....still trying to get into the vocals. :thumb:
neal_672
12-27-2004, 04:29 PM
Neal, the new songs are on Kazaa for the Mars Volta album which is supposed to come out in march. There's a lot of fakes though, so be careful.
Hmmmmmmm i don't like kazaa, i'll just wait until March for it...
Liberphile
12-27-2004, 04:46 PM
I think other things definitive of prog rock are the track lengths. Other than changing time signatures, changing keys often and all the other stuff typical of prog rock.
stuff that I didn't see mentioned that I dig---- Porcupine Tree ::edit:: nevermind it was clearly mentioned
TOOL (they are definately prog)
The Beatles (abbey road is a prog album)
Peter gabriel
some radiohead is prog(paranoid android is at least)
stuffed that was mentioned that I do like- King crimson (every line up)
Rush
Floyd (is definately prog)
primus, flying frog brigade, c2b3
Yes
dream theatre, liquid tension
Mr. Bungle, Secret chiefs 3 (bungle - patton)
LOVE LOVE LOVE OPETH LOVE LOVE
And while I love sigur ros, i must argue that they aren't very progressive at all. THey are more like shoegaze, a genre that is very slow but, ethereal and very trancey and repetive yet layered.
Lucretia
12-27-2004, 06:03 PM
I've seen Rush, Jethro Tull nearly every year for about 8 years (they play Cropredy folk festival regularly, being kinda prog-folk).
I've heard Muse been described as prog rock... and have seen them about 3 times :D...
I also listen A Perfect Circle/Tool, Coheed and Cambria, Floyd, Brazil, Porcupine Tree, Peter Gabriel, early Genesis, ELO, the Mars Volta...
Lucretia
12-27-2004, 06:04 PM
Oh yeah Sigur Ros are great, I wouldn't describe them as prog tho...
Liberphile
12-27-2004, 11:04 PM
i've seen tull twice and i'm only 21. not, that I think i'm hot Sh][T or anythin.
punkjazz
12-27-2004, 11:06 PM
Under the definition used here, I would say The Doors could be classified as prog. The End would the best song to prove such argument with its 11-12 min running time and extensive instrumental sections. I love that band so much! What do you think about them?
Liberphile
12-27-2004, 11:15 PM
i'll buy that. I also, think that the song "when the musics over" is also, kind of proggy, with lulls and stuff. That song is 10 min 57 sec.
also, their jam sessions where jim would read poetry over it could get kind of proggy. Like the last 20 minutes of "absolutely live" is I think from one show but, i'm not sure if not it was edited together really well to sound proggressive even.
so Lucretia and I are the only progheads who mentioned TOOL? come to the darkside man...
Liberphile
12-27-2004, 11:17 PM
He new bassist for them Trey gunn is amazing. He plays this bass that has 8 strings on it, and half of the neck is fretted and the other half is unfretted. SO, 4 strings rest on a fretted part and 4 other strings right beside them sit on an unfretted part. It looks like a normal 8 stringed bass from far away but, up close you can see it. Anyways, the guy is amazing. He can also kind of play a fretless bass on his lap kind of like a steel guitar, but, with a fretless. and it sounds beautiful.
gotta check out eyes wide open.
punkjazz
12-27-2004, 11:36 PM
Liberphile
What a coincidence, I was listening to that esact song and thinking the same thing you were wrote when I read your post.
BassasonicMuthaplucka
12-28-2004, 03:26 PM
Oh, good. I'm not alone in thinking that the Doors are prog.
I would love to see Tull live.
Does anyone consider Funkadelic, especially on concept albums like "One Nation Under a Groove" or "The Electric Spanking Of War Babies" (which is the best title ever) to be prog as well as funk?
i just picked up "The Dixie Dregs Live" from my library and they kick ***.
Does anyone listen to King's X, if so, what do they sound like.
Low-B-Mundy
12-29-2004, 05:06 PM
I'd like to recommend Neal Morse. He used to be with Spock's Beard but now he's gone solo.
When he was with Spock's Beard “Snow” is f****** outstanding and now that he's solo “Testimony” is an amazing piece of prog work.
His work now is “Christen Prog” and that’s not my bag but the musicianship well makes up for that .... But hay, that might be your thing. :thumb:
MNbassist78
12-29-2004, 06:41 PM
I saw Dream Theater in September when they were touring with Yes, DT rocks but they really only played their softer songs and Steam of Consciousness. It was still awsome. Rush and Pink Floyd rule too!!!
Liberphile
12-29-2004, 07:19 PM
favourite prog albums??
Yes- close to the edge
dream theatre- train of thought ( I really need to get more dream theatre)
Rush- 2112
King Crimson- larkes tounges in aspic and in the court of the krimson king
radiohead- o.k. computer (a masterpiece to me) i think it can be argued that dis is prog
Tool- Undertow, aenima and lateralus
OPeth- blackwater park (omg)
Mr. Bungle - California
Floyds- the wall is prolly there most progish album
Grateful Undead starring Jerry
12-29-2004, 08:55 PM
p.s. toast my KC picture in my avatar was almost the Larks' Tongue cover as wellRadiolaria here, and you?
Random_Hero_Guy_
12-29-2004, 09:33 PM
Prog. metal/rock is the shiit.
Left Shoe
12-29-2004, 09:38 PM
dream theater count?
mars volta
mindless self indulgence
rush
yes
iceman3019
12-29-2004, 11:18 PM
i like dream theater, rush, king crimson, liquid tension experiment, primus, (the) jelly jam, platypus, pink floyd, tool, and lots of solo efforts of assorted artists (i.e. derek sherinian). i guess i could be a progressive fan . . .
twopelu
12-30-2004, 03:19 AM
My fav prog bands are Rush, Liquid tension experiment, Yes and Dream Theater.
Ok, also Pink Floyd, I cant forget them!
Two best opera-rock albums:
- Dream Theater, Scenes from a memory
- Pink Floyd, The Wall
lets say your favourite opera-rock albums... ;)
cAPS_lOCK
12-30-2004, 04:50 AM
I play in a prog rock/pop band. Say what you want about prog, but it's really fun to play with all awesome time signatur changes and cool rythms. In our music, at least. :p
As a result, I listen a lot to prog too. Because I don't like metal really much, I'm more into the softer bands, like Spock's Beard, Transatlantic, The Flower Kings, and so on. Though I still dig Dream Theater. ;)
I'm not really into the older prog stuff, except The Beatles, though I really like Pink Floyd and the like when I get a chance to hear it.
My favorite prog album is Spock's Beard's "Snow". It's simply amazing.
BassasonicMuthaplucka
12-31-2004, 08:43 AM
Favorite Rock Operas/Concept Album
The Romantic Warrior: Return To Forever
Thick as A Brick and Aqualung by Tull
Uncle Meat and Joe's Garage by Frank Zappa
Most Pink Floyd
2112
Scenes From A Memory
De-Loused In The Comatorium: the Mars Volta
BassasonicMuthaplucka
12-22-2005, 07:39 PM
I decided to drag this up from eons ago, before I left MX.
Thanks for posting!
Some things that I said earlier may not have been as accurate as they actually are. If you have progressive rock questions, I'm sure a prog fan will help you out.
-Muthaplucker
tim_commerfordism
12-22-2005, 07:57 PM
ah ok.
Damn i thought quatre was back!!
/saw his post count :upset:
BassasonicMuthaplucka
12-22-2005, 08:00 PM
Sorry, I dredged this one up from long ago.
Jody LeCompte
12-22-2005, 08:08 PM
I like Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Yes, Rush, King Crimson, Kamelot, Genesis, Opeth, Dream Theater, The Mars Volta, and Radiohead.
Im pretty sure all of those bands are prog.
Im not a member or anything but I do absolutely love progarchives
Manticore Guy
12-22-2005, 08:16 PM
I love prog, and my dad has all these amazing vinyls in my basement that I check out all the time. I love being 13 and being into diverse types of music:)
rockinbass17
12-22-2005, 08:21 PM
I listen to Rush, Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, The Mars Volta, and Emmerson,Lake, and Palmer. Muse if they count. I want to get into a bit more Tull, and to check out Porcupine Tree. I heard 'round these parts that they're a good prog band.
My favorite prog concept albums/pieces/operas:
2112
Wish You Were Here
Frances The Mute
Karn Evil 9 (just a part of the whole album, but still)
Jaded
12-22-2005, 09:19 PM
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer are the shizzle.
Convectuoso
12-22-2005, 10:10 PM
I was reading the thread I was shocked to almost not see Tool mentioned. :eek:
Tool/Apc, The Mars Volta (yes they are progressive, they progress throughout their songs, which makes them 'progressive' so stfu) Radiohead (if they count). Pink Floyd...All pretty standard really.
Midnight
12-22-2005, 10:23 PM
les and the rest of primus were heavily influenced by rush, and have a few prog elements, so yes.
i define prog as weird time signatures, mystical lyrics, very scalar bassed riffs and PROGressions. however, a few bands that you guys are naming arent relly prog to me. i think what defines progressive rock is the progressions, not the art or the fact that they dont fit anywhere else. so here is a list of my favourite prog bands.............
It's not about chord progressions. That's the stupidest thing I've heard all day. "Progressive" refers to the "progression" of rock to a new form. I don't really care, I seriously hate all the genre shit that goes on here in MX (especially in R&M - "technical gore death prog stoner hardcore postrock melodic thrash metal), but to assume its about chord progressions because of the word "progressive" is just... urgh
joshmay
12-22-2005, 11:57 PM
what about italian prog?!?
PREMIATA FORNERIA MARCONI!
BassasonicMuthaplucka
12-23-2005, 07:42 AM
That's a good un Joshmay: PFM, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso, Locanda Del Fate, Le Orme.
Sweden's also cranking out some excellent prog:
The Flower Kings, Pain of Salvation, Opeth, Anglagard, Anekdoten, Liquid Scarlet, etc.
Yes, I consider TMV, Tool, Radiohead and Coheed and Cambria to be prog
BassasonicMuthaplucka
12-23-2005, 07:45 AM
He didn't say it was all about chord progressions, he was just pointing out that prog often reaches beyond simple four chord patterns.
Too clear it up:
A definition of Progressive Rock Music stolen from ProgArchives and Wikipedia
Progressive rock ("prog") is an ambitious, eclectic, and often grandiose style of rock music which arose in the late 1960s principally in England, reaching the peak of its popularity in the early 1970s, but continuing as a musical form to this day. Progressive rock was largely a European movement, and drew most of its influences from classical music and jazz fusion, in contrast to American rock, which was influenced by rhythm & blues and country, although there are notable exceptions in the New World such as Kansas and Rush — considered by many to be the finest examples of the form. Over the years various sub-genres of progressive rock have emerged, such as symphonic rock, art rock and progressive metal.
Progressive rock artists sought to move away from the limitations of radio formatted rock and pop, and "progress" rock to the point that it could achieve the sophistication of jazz or classical music. It is admired by its fans for its complexity, requiring a high level of musical virtuosity to perform. Critics have often derided the genre as pompous and self-indulgent. This is because, unlike such stylistically consistent genres as country or hip hop, progressive rock is difficult to define in a single conclusive way. Outspoken King Crimson leader Robert Fripp has voiced his disdain for the term. The major acts that defined the genre in the 1970s (Yes, Genesis, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Rush and King Crimson) do not sound alike. There is also debate on whether bands such as The Beatles, Phish, and Radiohead belong to the genre.
Some common, though not universal, elements of progressive rock include:
Long compositions, sometimes running over 20 minutes, with intricate melodies and harmonies that require repeated listening to grasp. These are often described as epics and are the genre's clearest nod to classical music. An early example is the 23-minute "Echoes" by Pink Floyd. Other famous examples include Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick" (43 minutes), Yes' "Close to the Edge" (18 minutes) and Genesis' "Supper's Ready" (23 minutes). More recent extreme examples are the 60-minute "Light of Day, Day of Darkness" by Green Carnation and "Garden of Dreams" by The Flower Kings.
Lyrics that convey intricate and sometimes impenetrable narratives, covering such themes as science fiction, fantasy, history, religion, war, love, and madness. Many early 1970s progressive rock bands (especially German ones) featured lyrics concerned with left-wing politics and social issues.
Concept albums, in which a theme or storyline is explored throughout an entire album in a manner similar to a film or a play. In the days of vinyl, these were usually two-record sets with strikingly designed gatefold sleeves. Famous examples include The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway by Genesis, Tales from Topographic Oceans by Yes, 2112 by Rush, Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall by Pink Floyd, and the more recent Metropolis Part II: Scenes from a Memory by Dream Theater and Snow by Spock's Beard. Aqualung, perhaps the best-known record by Jethro Tull, is often regarded as a concept album due to its recurring themes, but songwriter Ian Anderson has always claimed that the album is just "a bunch of songs".
Unusual vocal styles and use of multi-part vocal harmonies. See Magma, Robert Wyatt, and Gentle Giant.
Prominent use of electronic instrumentation — particularly keyboard instruments such as the organ, piano, Mellotron, and Moog synthesizer, in addition to the usual rock combination of electric guitar, bass and drums.
Use of unusual time signatures, scales, or tunings. Many pieces use multiple time signatures and/or tempi, sometimes concurrently. Solo passages for virtually every instrument, designed to showcase the virtuosity of the player. This is the sort of thing that contributed to the fame of such performers as keyboardist Rick Wakeman and drummer Neil Peart.
Inclusion of classical pieces on albums. For example, Yes start their concerts with a taped extract of Stravinsky's Firebird suite, and Emerson Lake and Palmer have performed arrangements of pieces by Copland, Bartók, Moussorgsky, Prokofiev, Janacek, Alberto Ginastera, and often feature quotes from J. S. Bach in lead breaks. Jethro Tull recorded a famous cover of J. S. Bach's "Bouree", in which they turned the classical piece into a "sleazy jazzy night-club song", according to Ian Anderson. Marillion started concerts with Rossini's La Gazza Ladra (The Thieving Magpie). Symphony X has included parts by, or inspired by, Beethoven, Holst and Mozart.
An aesthetic linking the music with visual art, a trend started by The Beatles with Sgt. Pepper's and enthusiastically embraced during the prog heyday. Some bands became as well-known for the art direction of their albums as for their sound, with the "look" integrated into the band's overall musical identity. This led to fame for particular artists and design studios, most notably Roger Dean, whose paintings and logo design for Yes are so essential to the band's identity they could be said to serve the same function as corporate branding. Hipgnosis became equally famous for their unusual sleeves for Pink Floyd, often featuring experimental photography quite innovative for the time (two men shaking hands, one of whom is in flames, on the cover of Wish You Were Here). H.R. Giger's painting for Emerson Lake and Palmer's Brain Salad Surgery is one of the most famous album sleeves ever produced.
Progressive rock compositions sometimes take the following forms:
A piece that is subdivided into movements in the manner of a classical suite. Examples are the four-part "Close to the Edge" by Yes, six-part "Hemispheres" by Rush, and the seven-part "A Change of Seasons" by Dream Theater. All of TransAtlantic's epics are multipart.
A piece that is composed of a patchwork of musical themes that could conceivably stand as individual songs, but together serve to relate a complete narrative through music. Examples are "Supper's Ready" on Genesis' Foxtrot (the "Willow Farm" section of which was played as a single), "A Day in the Life" on Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band by The Beatles, Jethro Tull's Aqualung from the album of the same name, and "The Gates of Delirium" on Yes's album Relayer (from which the single "Soon" was taken).
A piece that allows the development of musical ideas via progressions or variations in the manner of a bolero or a canon. "King Kong" on Frank Zappa's Uncle Meat is an example.
Progressive rock's popularity peaked in the mid-1970s, when prog artists regularly topped readers' votes in mainstream popular music magazines. With the advent of punk rock in the late 1970s, and its earlier precursor pub rock, popular and critical opinion moved toward a simpler and more aggressive style of rock, with progressive rock increasingly dismissed as pretentious and overblown. This attitude has remained in place to the present day.
The early 1980s saw something of a revival of the genre, led by artists such as Marillion, Saga, and Kate Bush. Groups that arose during this time are sometimes termed neo-progressive. Around the same time, some progressive rock stalwarts changed musical direction, simplifying their music and including more obviously electronic elements. In 1983, Genesis achieved international success with the song "Mama", with its heavy emphasis on a drum machine riff. In 1984, Yes had a surprise number one hit with the song "Owner of a Lonely Heart", which contained modern (for the time) electronic effects and was accessible enough to be played at discos.
The genre enjoyed another revival in the 1990s with the so-called "Third Wave", spearheaded by such bands as Sweden's The Flower Kings, the UK's Porcupine Tree, and Spock's Beard from the United States. One of the most important bands of the alternative rock movement, The Smashing Pumpkins, incorporated progressive rock into their unique, eclectic style, going so far as to release two albums dealing with the same concept.
In recent years, the most commercially viable category of prog has been progressive metal. These bands are usually happy to be known as progressive, and produce very long pieces and concept albums. Several of the leading bands in the prog-metal genre (particularly Dream Theater) cite pioneer progressive hard-rockers Rush as a prime influence. Meanwhile, other heavy metal bands not generally considered prog-metal, such as System of a Down, have nevertheless incorporated prog-influenced elements like bizarre shifts in time signatures and tempo in their music.
The work of contemporary artists such as Ween and post-rock bands like Sigur Rós and Godspeed You! Black Emperor could be said to incorporate some of the experimental elements of progressive rock, sometimes combined with the aesthetic sensibilities of punk rock to produce music which many find challenging, innovative and imaginative. The Mars Volta is notable for intentionally fusing punk with progressive rock, two elements once polar opposites. Among more experimental and avant garde musicians, the Japanese composer Takashi Yoshimatsu publicly cites progressive rock bands as a prime influence on his work.
BassasonicMuthaplucka
12-23-2005, 07:46 AM
this does a good job?
yeah, prog owns.
I listen excessively to Opeth, Rush, Dream Theater and the Arrow Classic Rock compilation Best of Symfonic Rock (got lots of prog on it, Emerson, Lake and Palmer rule!)
moghes69
12-23-2005, 04:01 PM
talk about bumping an old thread (not in a victimizing way. you explained yourself somewhat)... i'm mainly into the mars volta, rush and dream theater
The_Red_Death
12-23-2005, 06:21 PM
I'm not sure if I would consider Radiohead as prog, although I haven't really heard enough from them to judge. Anyway, I'm really into some of the newer prog (or at least prog influenced) stuff like Coheed & Cambria and The Sound Of Animals Fighting.
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