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DonMancini
12-21-2004, 09:51 AM
Well I looked around and there doesn't seem to be any discussion thread about ratm. They are easily one of my favorite bands, and I thought we could use this thread to talk about them.

I'll start off with a simple subject: favorite album?

For me it would have to be self titled, for sure.

shortass
12-21-2004, 09:56 AM
Definately self-titled
They are one of my favorite bands too :D

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 09:59 AM
a RATM thread pops up every so often.
Rae ar egreat, every album has it's highlights but for my favourite its very close between Evil Empire and s/t as both have so many great songs. The live DVD is great as well, but is lacking some of my favourite songs.

And please....no one bring up audioslave in here, all the comparisons have been done already!

shortass
12-21-2004, 10:01 AM
I really didn't like evil empire...but that's just me

DonMancini
12-21-2004, 10:02 AM
Haha, yeah I figured someone would mention audioslave eventually. It's best to leave that overdone conversation be :p

And idk I honestly never really like evil empire and renegades all that much. I prefer Battle of L.A. and Self Titled.

Wish
12-21-2004, 10:04 AM
Evil Empire is my favourite RATM album

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 10:05 AM
Battle of L.a had some great tracks, and some not great tracks. And since Renegades was a covers album I don't really count it as Rage, If you get what I mean.
Anyway each to their own, I think the majority will go for s/t though

Bartender
12-21-2004, 10:05 AM
*raises hand*

Confirmed RATM fan here. I'd probably go with the self-titled too; there's just too many classic songs on there.

Janitor
12-21-2004, 10:08 AM
The songs on the self-titled are great, but I just don't like how it sounds. So I'd say my favorite is Battle of LA.

-Listy-
12-21-2004, 10:09 AM
Self titled, every song is amazing, my fave
Battle of LA was good, altho some songs i didnt really care for
Evil Empire has Bulls on Parade..so its not too bad
Not heard alot from Renegades, but what ive heard i like

Interstate
12-21-2004, 10:33 AM
Their self titled is definitely in my tp 10 albums of all time. I love all their albums apart from Evil Empire which i haven't heard yet. I don't care too much for Audioslave though, their album didn't really impress me. What's Zach been up too since Rage split up?

Wish
12-21-2004, 10:39 AM
Didn't Zach go off and fight with Mexico against America or something? That's what a friend told me

shortass
12-21-2004, 10:42 AM
He's gone solo lately he made a song for Farrenheit 9/11

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 10:43 AM
he's done some solo stuff, he had a track up for download from his site at some point

Bartender
12-21-2004, 10:45 AM
He did a song with DJ Shadow called March of Death, which used to be up for download at www.marchofdeath.com, and may well still be. It's a great track, was half of my introduction to DJ Shadow.

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 10:48 AM
Midnight was a great song from DJ Shadow

EDIT: forgot this was a ratm thread :p

Interstate
12-21-2004, 10:55 AM
ok thanks guys :thumb: i'll check it out. thanks bartender for that site i'll have a look now.

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 11:04 AM
easily battle of l.a. but self titled was pretty bodacious to.....anyone think rage will ever get back together if hopefully audioslave breaks up.... and by break up i mean there singer leaves......a new rage cd would kick *** and theyd have plenty to write about being a political band in a time when politics are at its worst

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 11:06 AM
Rage are totally done with, I can never see them getting back together

Bartender
12-21-2004, 11:08 AM
ok thanks guys :thumb: i'll check it out. thanks bartender for that site i'll have a look now.

No problem. It's just the one song, though, and it's not rock/metal (not totally, anyway, as you'd expect from DJ Shadow involvement).

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 11:11 AM
Rage are totally done with, I can never see them getting back together
you have to admit it would kick so much *** tho :thumb:

DonMancini
12-21-2004, 11:12 AM
Rage are totally done with, I can never see them getting back together
Yeah I don't think so either.

Why did Zach leave again? I heard that it was because he realized that he was preaching people to revolt, and yet he had an army of fans ready to do anything he wanted them to do, and that went against his morals.

Or something like that. Bartender? :p

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 11:14 AM
**** him for leaving rage is one of the greatest bands ever i would do anything to get them back together!

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 11:33 AM
bump

Street Spirit (Fade Out)
12-21-2004, 11:38 AM
S-T is by far the best. If it only came with "Killin In tha Name Of" it would still be my favorite. I love that song.

DonMancini
12-21-2004, 11:39 AM
I hate it when people call it Killing in the name of. It's KILLING IN THE NAME :evil:

/short rant

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 11:42 AM
you're right...that was very short :p

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 11:47 AM
i think we should all put in some money so well have alot and then we pay the dudes from ratm to get back together....i can put in 5 dolla :thumb:

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 11:50 AM
for some reason I don't any ammount of money will intice them into re-forming. I think It may be since they're all filthy rich

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 11:55 AM
way to get my hopes down :(

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 12:02 PM
well, it's kinder to do it now than later.

NuGgEt123
12-21-2004, 12:06 PM
all of their albums are good... i go through periods where i like one more than the other... changes weekly. right now i'd have to say TBOLA, cause i was just learning some songs off of it on the bass.

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 12:10 PM
well, it's kinder to do it now than later.
**** u

Syph
12-21-2004, 12:11 PM
Is there a greatest hits or compliation album out there for Rage?

DonMancini
12-21-2004, 12:12 PM
There's the live at san francisco grand auditorium which has songs off their various albums, but is not really a compilation.

Other than that, I've never heard of any.

NuGgEt123
12-21-2004, 12:13 PM
Is there a greatest hits or compliation album out there for Rage?

they have a live album.

anyway, what do you guys think is the best Morello solo?

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 12:13 PM
has anyone seen the battle for mexico city or whatever its called if so was it good?

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 12:14 PM
anyway, what do you guys think is the best Morello solo?
man testify is so cool but is so easy i would have to say know your enemy

Bartender
12-21-2004, 12:14 PM
**** u

Please don't post like that.

NuGgEt123
12-21-2004, 12:16 PM
yeah i'd say know your enemy too...great stuff

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 12:16 PM
Please don't post like that.
im sorry :upset:

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 12:19 PM
**** u

was there any need for that? :confused:

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 12:20 PM
was there any need for that? :confused:
no :(

DonMancini
12-21-2004, 12:20 PM
yeah i'd say know your enemy too...great stuff
Yeah, kickass song.

Anyone see them playing it live in Mexico City? God I wish I was there. The crowd was going craazy, I've never seen anything like it.

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 12:22 PM
sounds totally bodacious

NuGgEt123
12-21-2004, 12:23 PM
i only saw Freedom. Zach got so emotional...yeah it woulda been sweet to be there.

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 12:23 PM
I don't think I've seen the live Mexico know your enemy, but whenever they played it live they always seemed to slow it way down

DonMancini
12-21-2004, 12:27 PM
I don't think I've seen the live Mexico know your enemy, but whenever they played it live they always seemed to slow it way down
Probably for the crowd's headbanging pleasure :p Idk, it's true that it was a few bpm slower, but it seemed ok anyway.

I don't like when they play Killing in the name live though, it's always sounded bad to me, especially the Woodstock performance. The only cool part was when they burned the flag :p

Bartender
12-21-2004, 12:30 PM
Yeah, kickass song.

Anyone see them playing it live in Mexico City? God I wish I was there. The crowd was going craazy, I've never seen anything like it.

I haven't seen the Mexico City show (first-hand, or on DVD), but I rather like the Grand Olympic Auditorium DVD.

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 12:34 PM
Probably for the crowd's headbanging pleasure :p Idk, it's true that it was a few bpm slower, but it seemed ok anyway.

To me it jsut seemed to drag, and Tom looked pretty silly in the one I saw giving it everything he had when the sog was going so damn slow :p

Actually I haven't seen that much live rage stuff. I think I'll go downlaod some right now

mattlewis53
12-21-2004, 12:41 PM
S-T is by far the best. If it only came with "Killin In tha Name Of" it would still be my favorite. I love that song.

Killing In The Name Of is the second track on the self-titled album....which is their best album.

albert_bass
12-21-2004, 12:43 PM
Awesome band. The self-titled album is my favourite too but I love so many songs by them...The only thing I don't like is that they repeat the riffs so much. Pistol Grip Pump would be a great example, so they repeat themselves too much but I can't stop loving them

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 12:45 PM
^^
I think he was saying that s/t would still be his favourite even if it only came with Killing In The Name.
And for the name of the song see DonMancini's mini-rant

EDIT: to mattlewis53

CaptainWaits
12-21-2004, 12:48 PM
Self titled hands down.....then Evil Empire then Renegades.......and Battle of Los Angeles shouldn't of been released

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 12:53 PM
man i still dont understand how in gods name he does that i see him flickin his switch and stuff its so bad a s s

albert_bass
12-21-2004, 12:54 PM
Testify! See it live it's awesome

ZaaR
12-21-2004, 12:59 PM
I've only recently started liking RATM and my favorite songs have to be: Killing in the name of, Bomb Track, and No shelter. All wicked songs.

mordredozzy124
12-21-2004, 12:59 PM
Self Titled is my favourite, but I really like Battle of Los Angles. Evil Empires pretty good too, but the only song that I like on Renegades is Renegades of Funk.

I do, however think that Tom Morello is a bit overrated. I mean hes good, but he mainly uses pedals and plays on one string something like 5555-2222-4444. People here on MX make fun of Kirk Hammet for using his wah pedals, but with Tom Morello, they worship him. And in my opinion, his best solo is on Like a Stone, by Audioslave, because that seems to flow well. His best riff, in my opinion is Guerilla Radio, which is classic.

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 01:14 PM
Morello can shred. But chooses to create abstract solos instead which is why people admire him. When Hammett wah's you almost get the feeling that he is doing it becuase it's the done thing in guitar playing, and his wah is just slapped on top of an E minor pent. solo. Morello uses his wah creatively and in different instances which is why people like it.....well, at least that's what I think :p

DesolationRow
12-21-2004, 01:18 PM
Why did Zach leave again? I heard that it was because he realized that he was preaching people to revolt, and yet he had an army of fans ready to do anything he wanted them to do, and that went against his morals.
Zach left because he felt as though the band wasn't accomplishing as much as it could. For example, Mumia Abu Jamal is still in prison. Zach supported the Zapatista movement which is the uprising of militants in Mexico over lost land due to infringement of Constitution rights.
As for Rage reuniting, Morello is still quite active in political action and we all know how Zach always was fuelled by hipocrisy and political injustice. I'm not saying it's an impossibility, however unlikely.
But seeing how much Morello assists other artists, I'm not surprised if Morello and de la Rocha reunite within 5 or 10 years.
I'm going to say that Rage's self titled album was the best. It was heavier and more charged than any other album, although BoLA was a good result after Evil Empire.
Renegades was a cover album of influences. I'd say it's fine, especially the cover of "The Ghost of Tom Joad", originally by Springsteen. Morello's guitar work never ceases to amaze me.
Tom's best solo, I'd say, is probably the "Bullet in the Head" solo. The "Darkness" solo is nice and jazzy, though. Very nice work either way.
Tom does use primarily 99999 88888 77777 solos, but he uses effects so heavily that you can't tab a thing 100% accurate on their later songs. He is, however, quite capable of more than just 999999 888888 77777777.
I think Timmy C. is probably one of the most underrated bassists around. The opening on "Calm Like a Bomb" is very nice and smooth, similar to a verse of chorus by Flea of RHCP. "Bombtrack" has a great opening. Flea gets all the credit for awesomeness, but Tim deserves more than a few "Good work" critiques.
I think Hammet is overrated as guitarists go. I rarely hear any emotion from his solos. It's like a machine is playing them. Fast, yes, but it's too **** cold for me to care. My opinions are my own, however.
The live DVDs are worth the money.

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 02:30 PM
bump

EonBlueApocalypse
12-21-2004, 04:34 PM
s/t is my favorite, closely followed by evil empire. i didn't like BOLS as much as the first two however.

EonBlueApocalypse
12-21-2004, 04:36 PM
Self Titled is my favourite, but I really like Battle of Los Angles. Evil Empires pretty good too, but the only song that I like on Renegades is Renegades of Funk.

I do, however think that Tom Morello is a bit overrated. I mean hes good, but he mainly uses pedals and plays on one string something like 5555-2222-4444. People here on MX make fun of Kirk Hammet for using his wah pedals, but with Tom Morello, they worship him. And in my opinion, his best solo is on Like a Stone, by Audioslave, because that seems to flow well. His best riff, in my opinion is Guerilla Radio, which is classic.

he uses the wah much more creativley however. i think that his best solo was in take the power back, it was easily his most technical. but the way he uses abstract noises and effects in his soloing is what makes him interesting to listen to, and people like it.

RaTm_FaN
12-21-2004, 04:53 PM
why do you people not like bolas its a really good album and in my opinion the best

EonBlueApocalypse
12-21-2004, 05:17 PM
why do you people not like bolas its a really good album and in my opinion the best

i just think the songs are better written and arranged on the first two. battle of los angeles isn't a bad album by any means, it just is more catchy and gets boring faster, good but not as good as the first two.

Static
12-21-2004, 06:06 PM
they have a live album.

anyway, what do you guys think is the best Morello solo?



i love the freedom solo. it's just so.................cool :thumb:

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 06:15 PM
i love the freedom solo. it's just so.................cool :thumb:

that was one of the first solos the I learned....Back in the day...

Static
12-21-2004, 06:18 PM
that was one of the first solos the I learned....Back in the day...




good times :thumb:

NuGgEt123
12-21-2004, 06:21 PM
I've only recently started liking RATM and my favorite songs have to be: Killing in the name of, Bomb Track, and No shelter. All wicked songs.

mine would have to be No Shelter, Darkness, Calm Like a Bomb, Wake Up and Snakecharmer...

i am the robots
12-21-2004, 06:24 PM
Killing In The Name Of, Maria, Without A Face

munky_magik
12-21-2004, 06:25 PM
Killing In The Name Of*, Maria, Without A Face

*KILLING IN THE NAME, can I please direct you to DonMancini's mini-rant at the top of the second page :)

Malakian Worshipper
12-21-2004, 09:47 PM
self titled- definitely their best (revolutionising rap/rock, all songs are awesome), other albums r pretty good (fav songs, bulls on parade, sleep now in the fire) but sound a little too produced (thx brendan obrian/rick rubin), theyre great live band, but zacks vocals dont sound as good live

MAthiAS
12-21-2004, 09:54 PM
I think its a tie with s/t and Battle of LA. And best solo is by far Know Your Enemy.

RageAgainsttheBush
12-22-2004, 12:12 AM
fav album evil empire-because the other songs are wicked
fav song born of a broken man (live)-bass sounds so wicked live

my favorite band
you have to download songs like "darkness" right?

joebass
12-22-2004, 12:53 AM
We need them back, I mean they break up and everything just goes to crap, politics, music...
Oh, my favorite album is Evil Empire although I love all of them and can't really think of a song by them I don't like

paradigm81
12-22-2004, 05:53 AM
I'll start off with a simple subject: favorite album?

For me it would have to be self titled, for sure.

100% agreed. Nothing compares to those songs, hands down!

Vic!
:thumb:

Apocalyptic Raids
12-22-2004, 07:07 AM
i always thought Evil Empire was underrated, and BOLA was overated, but thats just me

Bartender
12-22-2004, 07:11 AM
why do you people not like bolas its a really good album and in my opinion the best

It's a good album, but it's less consistant than the self-titled, for me, anyway.

spankyoplank
12-22-2004, 07:35 AM
I think that ratm are one of the best bands ever. fve album probly battle of LA. I agree with Bartender, it is less consistent than self titled, some ****ing awesome tracks on it though, calm like a bomb guerilla radio, sleep now in the fire etc. Evil empire is underrated but stilll probly their worst album. Audioslae are nothing compared 2 them.

Thor
12-22-2004, 09:43 AM
Question: Is this an official thread?

Anyways, the self titled is definetly the best, but the other albums are also very good as well. RATM is probably my favorite band. I cant really name one "favorite song" but here are some:
No Shelter
Freedom
Calm Like A Bomb
Bombtrack
Know Your Enemy
Wind Below

munky_magik
12-22-2004, 09:46 AM
it's not an official thread, it's just a thread about Rage meaning that it will die and be replaced by other threads,
if it is an official thread, then I reckon bartender screwed up a bit :p

Thor
12-22-2004, 09:47 AM
Well someone should make an official RATM thread (hint, hint)

Wish
12-22-2004, 09:50 AM
i always thought Evil Empire was underrated, and BOLA was overated, but thats just me
123

munky_magik
12-22-2004, 09:51 AM
Try that in the "ask questions" thread, but I reckon your request will get turned down as there aren't enough RATM threads popping up constantly to justify having an official thread dedicated to them. Try it anyway though :)

Thor
12-22-2004, 09:57 AM
Just saying this out loud.....but if RATM got back together, do you know how much money they would make? It would be rediculous.

munky_magik
12-22-2004, 10:17 AM
As much as I love Rage, I think it would be peanuts compared to the money that some bands would make by re-forming

Whale and Wasp
12-22-2004, 10:39 AM
my favorite song is freedom, especially the end

FREEDOM! YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

id552
12-22-2004, 10:41 AM
All the albums are really cool, except renegades; one of the most unique and creative bands doing covers?

munky_magik
12-22-2004, 10:45 AM
they were just paying tribute to their influences. Level of creativity has nothing to do with playing covers

EDIT: and they weren't really the most creative band ever. I guess they created their own style but stuck very much within that style and never developed or played with their sound that much.
By far the most creative element was tom Morello, but after he created his own sound and style he just stuck to it totally and never deviated from it.

slave to the waffle light
12-22-2004, 11:23 AM
**** him for leaving rage is one of the greatest bands ever i would do anything to get them back together!
i agree. i wish they would come back.

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-22-2004, 12:04 PM
I'd say that their debut album would be my favorite album of theirs. Every song on there has something different about it that I like. My favorite song off of the S/T is probably "Take the Power Back." That solo is just so friggen cool, because it shows that Morello can put together a good shred solo, not just using his wah pedal.

What do you guys think of "Township Rebellion?" I think that song is awesome, because not only do I like the insturmental parts, but it's one of the few RATM songs where I actually appreciate Zack's rapping. Plus, the bass sounds like a digereedoo. (sp?)

Bartender
12-22-2004, 12:23 PM
I like Township Rebellion. I think the only song I would change/remove from the self-titled would be Settle For Nothing. Not sure why, it just sounds kinda lacklustre compared to the others, and never really appealed to me as much.

Arucard
12-22-2004, 12:30 PM
My fave is Evil Empire, even though ST is the most well rounded Rage album, EE has some amazingly standout tracks.

Bartender
12-22-2004, 12:33 PM
I really like that song...it's definitely one of the angriest things they ever recorded I think, although the solo is outrageously out of place, especially compared with the mood of the rest of the song. I think it's a near perfect album though, although if I had to pick a weakest song on there, it probably would be Township Rebellion.

Fair enough. Settle For Nothing isn't bad by any means, it just always paled in comparison for me.

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-22-2004, 12:37 PM
I think the only song I would change/remove from the self-titled would be Settle For Nothing. Not sure why, it just sounds kinda lacklustre compared to the others, and never really appealed to me as much.

I couldn't agree more. Every song on there is great, but Settle for Nothing is just okay. I'm listening to it right now, and it's just incredibly slow, but the lyrics are actually quite good.

"If ignorance is bliss, then knock the smile of my face"

shortass
12-22-2004, 02:15 PM
Well someone should make an official RATM thread (hint, hint)
If this thread was constantly popular and reached a certain amounts of posts I reckon it could be turned into an official thread :thumb:

Thor
12-22-2004, 06:02 PM
I really like that song...it's definitely one of the angriest things they ever recorded I think, although the solo is outrageously out of place, especially compared with the mood of the rest of the song. I think it's a near perfect album though, although if I had to pick a weakest song on there, it probably would be Township Rebellion.
Settle For Nothing is a good song, but I must say that it does seem out of place when compared to the other songs in the album.

Bartender
12-22-2004, 06:14 PM
If this thread was constantly popular and reached a certain amounts of posts I reckon it could be turned into an official thread :thumb:

Official threads don't come around as a result of a long-running or popular thread on a band, but when there are far too many threads on the band in general. For example, the first Official thread (Metallica) came about mid-2003 because of the flood of St Anger stuff.

DekWannaBFlea
12-22-2004, 06:49 PM
I'd say that their debut album would be my favorite album of theirs. Every song on there has something different about it that I like. My favorite song off of the S/T is probably "Take the Power Back." That solo is just so friggen cool, because it shows that Morello can put together a good shred solo, not just using his wah pedal.

What do you guys think of "Township Rebellion?" I think that song is awesome, because not only do I like the insturmental parts, but it's one of the few RATM songs where I actually appreciate Zack's rapping. Plus, the bass sounds like a digereedoo. (sp?)


I can't believe someone actually mentioned that song, i love that song and nobody mentions it.....


I like their S-T the best then BOLA.

My favorite song is Sleep now in the fire and then Wake up.


I like Audioslave, but i think a reunion is in order for Rage.

Man i love Rage.

Thor
12-22-2004, 07:09 PM
I can't believe someone actually mentioned that song, i love that song and nobody mentions it.....


I like their S-T the best then BOLA.

My favorite song is Sleep now in the fire and then Wake up.


I like Audioslave, but i think a reunion is in order for Rage.

Man i love Rage.
A renunion is in order? We would all like that, but I doubt that it is going to happen....

superfascist
12-22-2004, 07:26 PM
I like Township Rebellion. I think the only song I would change/remove from the self-titled would be Settle For Nothing. Not sure why, it just sounds kinda lacklustre compared to the others, and never really appealed to me as much.

It took me so long to get into Township Rebellion. I always thought it was too slow and just all around boring. Plus the solo in that sounds too much like Settle for Nothing to me.

Thor
12-22-2004, 07:43 PM
It took me so long to get into Township Rebellion. I always thought it was too slow and just all around boring. Plus the solo in that sounds too much like Settle for Nothing to me.
Township Rebellion rocks. I fell in love with that song as soon as I heard the chorus. Its just slow and badass.

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-22-2004, 09:07 PM
Zack's rapping isn't what I listen to RATM for. His work somehow sounds forced, but on Township Rebellion, the words just "flow" out of his mouth.

Allright, I need some help here. I just watched "Dodgeball" and near the end of the movie, they play a clip of a song that I'm fairly certain is RATM. If anyone knows, or can find out for me, it would be much appreciated.

Thor
12-22-2004, 09:32 PM
Zack's rapping isn't what I listen to RATM for. His work somehow sounds forced, but on Township Rebellion, the words just "flow" out of his mouth.

Allright, I need some help here. I just watched "Dodgeball" and near the end of the movie, they play a clip of a song that I'm fairly certain is RATM. If anyone knows, or can find out for me, it would be much appreciated.
Really? Now I'm gonna go and rent that movie to see if RATM was in it. That movie rocks anyways, so why not?!

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-22-2004, 09:50 PM
Really? Now I'm gonna go and rent that movie to see if RATM was in it. That movie rocks anyways, so why not?!

It's the last dodgeball game. I am really positive it's RATM. The drumming sounds like Wilk, the guitar sounds like Morello. It's very easy to tell Morello's playing from anyone elses due to the extreme use of effects.

What do you guys think of Morello's playing from album to album. On the S/T, he did a great job mixing his use of effects and his playing ability, but on Evil Empire, I think he relied on his effects a little too much. On Battle, he went in between the two previous albums as far as effects and playing.

His signature toggle maneuver is what stands out for me about his playing.

Saliva ripped it off in the title track to their album "Survival of the Sickest." It sounds like crap. :D At least I think that's what's going on during the intro...

DekWannaBFlea
12-22-2004, 11:53 PM
A renunion is in order? We would all like that, but I doubt that it is going to happen....


what i mean i wish their was a reunion, my bad.

DekWannaBFlea
12-22-2004, 11:55 PM
It took me so long to get into Township Rebellion. I always thought it was too slow and just all around boring. Plus the solo in that sounds too much like Settle for Nothing to me.


I always shake my head when i hear the Township Rebellion solo, it is so cool!It is kind of Middle-Eastern sounding. I love that stuff :thumb:

CaptainWaits
12-22-2004, 11:59 PM
^^yeh, but not as cool as bulls on parade

RageAgainsttheBush
12-23-2004, 12:08 AM
there is a cow bell in that township rebellion song right
i love cow bells there the sweetest
it took me a while to get into the song
but its sweet
love that cow bell

DekWannaBFlea
12-23-2004, 01:06 AM
there is a cow bell in that township rebellion song right
i love cow bells there the sweetest
it took me a while to get into the song
but its sweet
love that cow bell

lol ++Rep for you.

THe Cow bell is awesome, it fits that song perfectly and it gives it that feeling of a rural area. Gotta love the cow bell.


I don't think they use it in any other song, but i could be wrong.

to_Burn_The_Eye
12-23-2004, 05:58 AM
i think ratm best album is probably s/t but what is your favourite song of theirs?

shortass
12-23-2004, 07:35 AM
Official threads don't come around as a result of a long-running or popular thread on a band, but when there are far too many threads on the band in general. For example, the first Official thread (Metallica) came about mid-2003 because of the flood of St Anger stuff.
Oh right
Thanks for clearing that up :thumb:

munky_magik
12-23-2004, 08:09 AM
I love his lyrics. You get a real sense of the passion and emotion that he puts into his work from them, but I think too many people are too quick to discard them because they're too political, or because he raps

NuGgEt123
12-23-2004, 09:02 AM
best lyricist of the '90s...although chris cornell is up there.

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-23-2004, 10:47 AM
lol ++Rep for you.

THe Cow bell is awesome, it fits that song perfectly and it gives it that feeling of a rural area. Gotta love the cow bell.


I don't think they use it in any other song, but i could be wrong.

I think they do use it on more than one song...Yeah, Im listening to the S/T right now and Wilk uses one for the intro of Killing in the Name. It's only a little two second fill, but it's still there.

EDIT: BTW, the RATM song on "Dodgeball" has a cowbell in it. Still don't know what song it is. :upset:

Thor
12-23-2004, 10:55 AM
^^yeh, but not as cool as bulls on parade
The bulls on parade solo is cool, yes, but it is rather simple. It is just Morello scraping the strings up and down so it sounds like a turntable. The coolest solo that Morello ever did was the Know Your Enemy solo, that thing rocks!

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-23-2004, 11:01 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364725/soundtrack

"Face off" performed and written by Tom Morello. I knew it :D

Thor
12-23-2004, 11:15 AM
Well its not RATM, but close enough.....

Lateralias
12-23-2004, 11:27 AM
What are some lesser known or underrated RATM tracks that are good?, I need to find more RATM songs than just the popular ones...

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-23-2004, 11:32 AM
What are some lesser known or underrated RATM tracks that are good?, I need to find more RATM songs than just the popular ones...

Try Township Rebellion, Take the Power Back, Vietnow!, Revolver, Sleep now in the Fire, and Ashes in the Fall. If by lesser known you mean not singles, then there you go.

What do you guys think of Brad Wilk as a drummer? I think him and Morello are a great duo. The drumming compliments Morello's work greatly. One track that I really like as far as Wilk's work is Vietnow! I think it's a really underrated track.

Lateralias
12-23-2004, 11:39 AM
Try Township Rebellion, Take the Power Back, Vietnow!, Revolver, Sleep now in the Fire, and Ashes in the Fall. If by lesser known you mean not singles, then there you go.

What do you guys think of Brad Wilk as a drummer? I think him and Morello are a great duo. The drumming compliments Morello's work greatly. One track that I really like as far as Wilk's work is Vietnow! I think it's a really underrated track.

Thanks kombucha, I kinda already knew of all those songs except Ashes in the Fall but I'll check it out...

Brad Wilk isn't anything special as a drummer, but he definitely isn't another easily forgotten drummer. I can agree with you on the connection and pairing of Wilk's drumming to Morello's guitar, he creates some good grooves for some RATM songs.

Thor
12-23-2004, 11:55 AM
Sleep Now In The Fire was a well known track, there was a video for it. A really good unknown track would be No Shelter. Another one would also be Wind Below.

Lateralias
12-23-2004, 11:56 AM
Sleep Now In The Fire was a well known track, there was a video for it. A really good unknown track would be No Shelter. Another one would also be Wind Below.

No Shelter is a great more obscure RATM song... I recommend any Rage fans who haven't heard it to check it out. :thumb:

NuGgEt123
12-23-2004, 11:57 AM
Tire me, Snakecharmer, War Within a Breath, Voice of the Voiceless...

Thor
12-23-2004, 12:01 PM
No Shelter is great on the Live at the Grand Olympic Auditorium DVD. I reccomend that any RATM fan should go and get that.

Urbanjeffery
12-23-2004, 12:04 PM
slighty related what does everyone think of the songs, "the darkness" and "the name of the game" which isnt actually rage but its got good old tom playing one of his funk a#s riffs? its on the credits for the first splinter cell xbox game. if not i really recom mend listening to both of them. also i have no idea why "the darkness" was never on a cd, maybe cut from an album? like 2we gotta better bomb" by audioslave. which i might add is one hell of a tune.

NuGgEt123
12-23-2004, 12:08 PM
Darkness is on the soundtrack to The Crow...Name of the Game has some pretty sick guitarmanship, but the song is pretty meh IMO.

Spoonman
12-23-2004, 12:36 PM
A very original group, one of my favorite bands of the recent past. :thumb:

I Wish to remain unnamed
12-23-2004, 12:38 PM
i like battle for LA...but thats because i played tony hawk 2 at my friends house once and i heard guerilla radio. but other than that i like the self titled album.

Bartender
12-23-2004, 01:24 PM
What do you guys make of De La Rocha as a lyricist? Personally, I'd rate him as being right up there with some of the very best, and a lot of people who don't like him view him as being an incoherent ranter. But, if you look at his lyrics properly, there's actually quite a lot there, beyond him mindlessly blaming the government and institutions for everything.

Yeah, I like his lyrics. They're not excellent, but they are very good. I like him as a frontman in general, though, because of his style and delivery as much as his actual lyrics. His voice always made me pay attention, as well as being able to rap well enough to be memorable.

Thor
12-23-2004, 02:38 PM
Yeah, I like his lyrics. They're not excellent, but they are very good. I like him as a frontman in general, though, because of his style and delivery as much as his actual lyrics. His voice always made me pay attention, as well as being able to rap well enough to be memorable.
I'll have to second that, minus the "not excellent" part. Zack can write some sick stuff, and deliver it live without screwing it up or missing a word. He also has a great stage presence. Anyone else agree?

BassStabbed
12-23-2004, 03:10 PM
Ive never really gotten into rage, they have a good bassist though.

Darkness
12-23-2004, 03:48 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

Guys its Zack not Zach...

Anyway what do you guys think of song "Revolution" by RATM and TOOL? I think it was incredible, but needed to be touched up and remastered but it was a great skeleton of a song...thoughts?

Thor
12-23-2004, 03:55 PM
Ive never really gotten into rage, they have a good bassist though.
If you think the bassist is good, check out Morello. He is "beast".

Bartender
12-23-2004, 05:59 PM
Anyway what do you guys think of song "Revolution" by RATM and TOOL? I think it was incredible, but needed to be touched up and remastered but it was a great skeleton of a song...thoughts?

For what it is, it's pretty good.

munky_magik
12-23-2004, 06:01 PM
I think Tool should do some kind of Side project with Morello. They were great friends growing up, so it could happen

*wishes*

IAJP
12-23-2004, 06:21 PM
I only have the first two RATM albums,
they both kick heavy arse though :thumb:

Darkness
12-23-2004, 07:11 PM
I think Tool should do some kind of Side project with Morello. They were great friends growing up, so it could happen

*wishes*

Morello built Tool, Maynard met Adam through Tom. Adam and Tom had a high school band called Electric sheep, and Maynard was a roommate or neigbour to Tom.

munky_magik
12-23-2004, 08:00 PM
This isn't news to me, I was just saying that they should do something together now as I think the results would be pretty interesting.

Thor
12-23-2004, 08:04 PM
I only have the first two RATM albums,
they both kick heavy arse though :thumb:
DUUUUDE you definetly want to check out Battle of LA. You wont regret it.

shortass
12-23-2004, 08:39 PM
Is their live album any good?

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-23-2004, 08:44 PM
Does anybody happen to have all their tracks that are not on their albums? If so, could you list them, so I can download them on soulseek.

munky_magik
12-23-2004, 09:31 PM
Is their live album any good?

their Live album is good, but I'd say that the dvd is better. You get extra stuff with it and get to see them perform which is a much better deal IMO

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-23-2004, 10:29 PM
I typed in "Tom Morello" in soulseek, and I started DLing random stuff. One is called "One Man Army" with Morello and Prodigy(whoever the hell that is..)

Also I checked out a cover of Kashmir and the file name said it was Puff Daddy, Jimmy Page, and Tom Morello. What do you guys know about this? Doesn't sound like Morello to me...:confused:

Apocalyptic Raids
12-23-2004, 10:39 PM
tom morello played bass on that kashmir cover, uncredited.

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-23-2004, 10:47 PM
I knew it wasn't him on guitar. What cheap bastards. I surprisingly like the cover, however.

i am the robots
12-24-2004, 01:34 AM
their Live album is good, but I'd say that the dvd is better. You get extra stuff with it and get to see them perform which is a much better deal IMO

Plus you get the Washington D.C. Riot....

Curlylocks
12-24-2004, 01:52 AM
Fav album s/t

fav song Take the power back

superfascist
12-24-2004, 02:22 AM
I like Zacks lyrics. Especially the way that he tells a story on "Maria" about the immigrant who came to America to escape her old country only to do grueling work in a sewing factory... or something to that effect. It's really spine-chilling when you think about it enough.

superdigg
12-24-2004, 02:24 AM
i love the self titled album, yeah, RATM is pretty good IMO. i like Morello's guitarwork, it may not be the most talented but i think it's pretty creative and unique in small ways.

superfascist
12-24-2004, 02:38 AM
it may not be the most talented but i think it's pretty creative and unique in small ways.

Isn't talent being able to make something unique and creative that people like or is talent simply the ability to mindlessly run scales up and down the frets as fast as humanly possible despite the fact that it may sound like musical gibberish?

DekWannaBFlea
12-24-2004, 03:40 AM
I like morello because he doesn't confine himself to the penatonic for solos, or traditional ways of soloing. He uses various effects and "tools" to make creative ways in which to solo. Now this may seem like he isn't "Techinically" good(picking, fingering etc.) that is a misconception. Take Know your enemy for example, he shreds the hell out of the solo and it sounds badass. Talk about a unqiue diverse guitarist.

superdigg
12-24-2004, 04:25 AM
good point, superfascist. i guess the word i was looking for was 'skill', or something. you know what i mean, just technical skill.

munky_magik
12-24-2004, 06:04 AM
It all depends on your defintion of talent. "talent :a person who possesses unusual innate ability in some field or activity" - according to word reference,com, make of it what you will.

I typed in "Tom Morello" in soulseek, and I started DLing random stuff. One is called "One Man Army" with Morello and Prodigy(whoever the hell that is..)
Are you seriously telling me you don't know who the prodigy are?

EonBlueApocalypse
12-24-2004, 12:44 PM
I like Zacks lyrics. Especially the way that he tells a story on "Maria" about the immigrant who came to America to escape her old country only to do grueling work in a sewing factory... or something to that effect. It's really spine-chilling when you think about it enough.

i think zack is easily one of the best political lyricists of our time. he conveys the message very well in most of his lyrics, since ratm came out and died no one has been able to match him in political lyric writing.

RetiredAt21
12-24-2004, 12:59 PM
Zack is definitely the best.

Im Still Here
12-24-2004, 01:03 PM
my self titled and live at grand olympia auditorium just came in the mail today. both great albums. i want the grand olympia dvd tho

2nd_striker
12-24-2004, 01:29 PM
battle of la

Darkness
12-24-2004, 03:04 PM
Tom definatly is one of the best guitar players of the 90s... has anyone checked out his work as "The Nightwatchman"? It's his acoustic folk alter ego, its rather cool I like his songs. Also has anyone checked out the axis of justice album? Its pretty cool to.

40 oz 2 freedom
12-24-2004, 03:08 PM
I found the self-titled on vinyl yesterday for 9 dollars. It's sweet.

TheShaneOMac
12-24-2004, 04:07 PM
Tom definatly is one of the best guitar players of the 90s...

How about Tom is one of the best guitarists of all time. Only a select few were as original as him.

spankyoplank
12-24-2004, 04:09 PM
How about Tom is one of the best guitarists of all time. Only a select few were as original as him.

I agree, stuff he did with his effects and whammy bar was totally original, there hasn't been much more original since hendrix.

TheShaneOMac
12-24-2004, 04:10 PM
Zack is definitely the best.

I would have to disagree, he does not compare to Greg Graffin or Bob Dylan.

Thor
12-24-2004, 04:52 PM
How about Tom is one of the best guitarists of all time. Only a select few were as original as him.
Tom is one of the best guitarists ever. He is definetly the most innovative guitarist of all time. Who else agrees?

munky_magik
12-24-2004, 04:53 PM
definatly innovative, but perhaps not the most of all time

Arucard
12-24-2004, 05:00 PM
He ranks in my most innovative, with EVH, Steve Vai and Petrucci.
These guys basically got me into metal, Ghost of Tom Joad is kick ***, even though its a cover. I dont count their songs as covers though, as they merly take the lyrics, and whack a totally new sound scheme to them.

Thor
12-24-2004, 05:10 PM
He ranks in my most innovative, with EVH, Steve Vai and Petrucci.
These guys basically got me into metal, Ghost of Tom Joad is kick ***, even though its a cover. I dont count their songs as covers though, as they merly take the lyrics, and whack a totally new sound scheme to them.
Yeah take Maggie's Farm for example....completely different sound, but both versions are still awesome.

munky_magik
12-24-2004, 05:11 PM
I've only ever heard the Rage version. I guess I should get around to checking out the original

Arucard
12-24-2004, 05:24 PM
Yeh, you know E-F-F-E-C-T, that song, forgotten the name (Noob++), listen to the original. Its 80's old school street hip-hop, and look what they turned it into.

munky_magik
12-24-2004, 05:28 PM
It might be called I'm Housin', but I'm not 100% on that.
Their covers are always interesting when compared to the originals

El_Shiznit
12-24-2004, 05:30 PM
I actually like Renegades best. I think it's the most consistant as far as song value goes. But I realize I'm the only one.

*My first post in R&M*

El_Shiznit
12-24-2004, 05:31 PM
It might be called I'm Housin', but I'm not 100% on that.
Their covers are always interesting when compared to the originals
Nah, that's a different song.

Arucard
12-24-2004, 05:32 PM
Its not Im Housin, the chorus to Im Housin is 'Relate to the matter as i drop the bomb, cause im housin.' The solo in that song owns all solos ever. Hi el Shizzy. I dont post in punk no more, to many pop-punk spammers.

El_Shiznit
12-24-2004, 05:33 PM
Wondered where you went.
Thought you might've not liked punk anymore until I saw your avatar. Punk forum is good for me still because I need my nOOb fix now and then. But I'm posting more and more in pop-punk now though.

munky_magik
12-24-2004, 05:34 PM
It's Microphone Fiend originally by Eric B & Rakim.
So I was wrong :(

Arucard
12-24-2004, 05:35 PM
Yeh, i still love the scene man, but im abit of a Power Metal whore now, but as you can see Agnostic Front and The Filaments all the ****ing way.

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-24-2004, 05:57 PM
Are you seriously telling me you don't know who the prodigy are?

Yes. :upset: I'm not a huge fan of..industrial or techno, or whatever you'd call them. Fairly mediocre song for what it is...

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-24-2004, 05:58 PM
*My first post in R&M*

Good move. :thumb:

Rep'd for the good choice

Darkness
12-24-2004, 06:35 PM
How about Tom is one of the best guitarists of all time. Only a select few were as original as him.

I stand corrected. :thumb: I figered I'd get flamed if I said something like that.

metallica master
12-24-2004, 07:04 PM
Tom is definately one of the greatest guitarists ever. His sound is his own and I doubt that anyone will try to copy it.

Huber
12-24-2004, 07:18 PM
I didn't even know Tom Morello was in Audioslave when I first heard it. I figured it out because of that awesome sound he has. Truly a unique sound.

Darkness
12-24-2004, 08:14 PM
Tom is definately one of the greatest guitarists ever. His sound is his own and I doubt that anyone will try to copy it.

Nobody would be able to copy it if they tried. Beleive me, I try all the time. :upset:

HiP-h0p |\|4zi
12-24-2004, 09:02 PM
guys don't mind me saying this but isn't Rage aganist the machine punk whats it doing here.
But Rage is awesome

Bartender
12-24-2004, 09:03 PM
No, Rage Against the Machine are not punk. They do belong here.

Thor
12-24-2004, 09:06 PM
guys don't mind me saying this but isn't Rage aganist the machine punk whats it doing here.
But Rage is awesome
How on earth are RATM punk? Could you explain that for me please?

DekWannaBFlea
12-25-2004, 01:49 AM
I heard some where that Kashmir by Led Zeppelin and Wake up by Rage have similiarities, are they similar riffs or what?

Darkness
12-25-2004, 02:48 PM
How'd this get on page 3...

Jesus Macaroni
12-25-2004, 03:37 PM
I'd say they have maybe som Punkish lyrics...
F*** society and so on...

DekWannaBFlea
12-25-2004, 05:45 PM
I'd say they have maybe som Punkish lyrics...
F*** society and so on...

It really isn't about "f***in" society, and even if it was political lyrics aren't a punk exclusive genre.

munky_magik
12-25-2004, 05:49 PM
How'd this get on page 3...

Because you decided to post, and enough people had posted to put this onto the third page

Maggies_Farmer
12-25-2004, 05:51 PM
There is a lot of punk in what RATM did.
so says I.

munky_magik
12-25-2004, 05:58 PM
There is a lot of punk in what RATM did.
so says I.
I think this is the first time that I have ever seen you post out of the Guitar forum

superfascist
12-25-2004, 11:50 PM
How can you really go about classifying Rage's style? They were really all over the place.

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-26-2004, 12:50 AM
I didn't even know Tom Morello was in Audioslave when I first heard it. I figured it out because of that awesome sound he has. Truly a unique sound.

He uses way less effects in Audioslave than he did in RATM, which dissapoints me. However, it fits better with the sound of Audioslave with the smaller amount of effects.

DekWannaBFlea
12-26-2004, 01:57 AM
How can you really go about classifying Rage's style? They were really all over the place.

Rap Funk metal

JohnyT
12-26-2004, 02:02 AM
Thank God somebadt brought up rage, I absolutely love rage! I borrowed ST from one of my punk-rock friends, I had no clue who they were, I thaought they were like the germs or somethin'. anyway nobody else in the **** city I live in likes them, It's just me and my friend.

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-26-2004, 05:39 PM
I heard some where that Kashmir by Led Zeppelin and Wake up by Rage have similiarities, are they similar riffs or what?

I don't think so. There are plenty of songs that sound a lot like Kashmir in the rythm. "Rock Superstar" by Cypress Hill is the only one I can think of at the moment. Good rap song.

lucky luciano
12-26-2004, 06:33 PM
Zach left because he felt as though the band wasn't accomplishing as much as it could. For example, Mumia Abu Jamal is still in prison. Zach supported the Zapatista movement which is the uprising of militants in Mexico over lost land due to infringement of Constitution rights.
As for Rage reuniting, Morello is still quite active in political action and we all know how Zach always was fuelled by hipocrisy and political injustice. I'm not saying it's an impossibility, however unlikely.
But seeing how much Morello assists other artists, I'm not surprised if Morello and de la Rocha reunite within 5 or 10 years.
I'm going to say that Rage's self titled album was the best. It was heavier and more charged than any other album, although BoLA was a good result after Evil Empire.
Renegades was a cover album of influences. I'd say it's fine, especially the cover of "The Ghost of Tom Joad", originally by Springsteen. Morello's guitar work never ceases to amaze me.
Tom's best solo, I'd say, is probably the "Bullet in the Head" solo. The "Darkness" solo is nice and jazzy, though. Very nice work either way.
Tom does use primarily 99999 88888 77777 solos, but he uses effects so heavily that you can't tab a thing 100% accurate on their later songs. He is, however, quite capable of more than just 999999 888888 77777777.
I think Timmy C. is probably one of the most underrated bassists around. The opening on "Calm Like a Bomb" is very nice and smooth, similar to a verse of chorus by Flea of RHCP. "Bombtrack" has a great opening. Flea gets all the credit for awesomeness, but Tim deserves more than a few "Good work" critiques.
I think Hammet is overrated as guitarists go. I rarely hear any emotion from his solos. It's like a machine is playing them. Fast, yes, but it's too **** cold for me to care. My opinions are my own, however.
The live DVDs are worth the money.

You really can't compare hammett and morello because their styles are so different. If you wanted to get down to technical **** hammetts probably a better player, but in the end its just an opinion. I also don't think timmy c or brad wilk are underrated at all. I think theyre ok at what they do but brad rarely does anything special on the drums and the same goes with timmy. I think the only one that excels at what they do in ratm is tom, but nevertheless im still a huge rage fan.

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-26-2004, 09:27 PM
You really can't compare hammett and morello because their styles are so different. If you wanted to get down to technical **** hammetts probably a better player, but in the end its just an opinion. I also don't think timmy c or brad wilk are underrated at all. I think theyre ok at what they do but brad rarely does anything special on the drums and the same goes with timmy. I think the only one that excels at what they do in ratm is tom, but nevertheless im still a huge rage fan.

I agree with you that Tim and Brad are not extremely great at what they do, but they are still very underrated. However, as a group, they have the most amazing "meshing" as a whole. It's more of one insturment playing, rather than a group of guys playing music.

Melvins_Army
12-26-2004, 10:11 PM
i reackon battle of LA and s/t are the best albums

Apocalyptic Raids
12-27-2004, 01:32 AM
Evil Empire > BOLA

superfascist
12-27-2004, 01:42 AM
Evil Empire > BOLA

Any particular reason why?

Apocalyptic Raids
12-27-2004, 01:53 AM
i just thought overall it was a better album. I thought BOLA had a few weaker tracks (like born of ghosts, never liked that much).

munky_magik
12-27-2004, 07:58 AM
I'm with you on that one. BOLA is their least consistent album by far IMO. It has some really, really great tracks, but others that aren't so great

Bartender
12-27-2004, 08:19 AM
I always just thought of Evil Empire and Battle of Los Angeles as equally inferior to the self-titled.

Malakian Worshipper
12-28-2004, 12:04 AM
I heard some where that Kashmir by Led Zeppelin and Wake up by Rage have similiarities, are they similar riffs or what?
a dude from allmusic.com who reviewed their debut cd said that the main riff from wake up was really similar to kashmir, but who the fuk cares, of course i never heard kashmir for sure but its probably nothing like it, and i dont intend to ever find out

superfascist
12-28-2004, 12:10 AM
I think that all the albums have their own feel to them. The first album seems so raw and stripped down. Evil Empire was like that too but some of the songs on it seemed to be full of depth. The Battle of Los Angeles seemed really atmospheric to me with the way that Tom used his effects and such. Renegades was kinda out in left field being a cover album.

What does everyone think of the live album?

superfascist
12-28-2004, 12:13 AM
a dude from allmusic.com who reviewed their debut cd said that the main riff from wake up was really similar to kashmir, but who the fuk cares, of course i never heard kashmir for sure but its probably nothing like it, and i dont intend to ever find out

The strumming pattern is similar but the notes are different. Only the very beginning of the riff sounds like Kashmir.

lukins69
12-28-2004, 12:25 AM
The self titled RATM is the best album, no contest. Every single song is awsem and packed full of energy. whenever I listen to them I just get hyped up and want to start a mosh pit in my living room. I would kill to have the skillz that Tom has on the guitar.
Evil Empire and Battle of L.A. are great, but not quite like the first album. I just wish they were still together cuzz I never got to see them in concert. ****

lukins69
12-28-2004, 12:25 AM
The self titled RATM is the best album, no contest. Every single song is awsem and packed full of energy. whenever I listen to them I just get hyped up and want to start a mosh pit in my living room. I would kill to have the skillz that Tom has on the guitar.
Evil Empire and Battle of L.A. are great, but not quite like the first album. I just wish they were still together cuzz I never got to see them in concert. ****

lukins69
12-28-2004, 12:25 AM
The self titled RATM is the best album, no contest. Every single song is awsem and packed full of energy. whenever I listen to them I just get hyped up and want to start a mosh pit in my living room. I would kill to have the skillz that Tom has on the guitar.
Evil Empire and Battle of L.A. are great, but not quite like the first album. I just wish they were still together cuzz I never got to see them in concert.

superfascist
12-28-2004, 12:52 AM
Was it necessary to say that three times?

Apocalyptic Raids
12-28-2004, 06:25 AM
I think that all the albums have their own feel to them. The first album seems so raw and stripped down. Evil Empire was like that too but some of the songs on it seemed to be full of depth. The Battle of Los Angeles seemed really atmospheric to me with the way that Tom used his effects and such. Renegades was kinda out in left field being a cover album.

What does everyone think of the live album?
I have the dvd, which is **** good. Although maybe 1 more song from Evil Empire would have been nice, like Vietnow or Down Rodeo, becasue besides the Renegades tracks, its pretty much the same setlist as Battle Of Mexico City.

munky_magik
12-28-2004, 07:12 AM
Was it necessary to say that three times?

no, but he did it anyway

Thor
12-28-2004, 12:51 PM
The strumming pattern is similar but the notes are different. Only the very beginning of the riff sounds like Kashmir.
RATM didnt rip off Kashmir. Thats a stupid idea that no one should believe.

Guitar Symphony
12-28-2004, 01:18 PM
Best solo? Has to be the one used in Settle For Nothing..c'mon folks.
S/T was my favorite and my first love.
Tom Morello is my idol. He made pedals an art form.
Gotta love Know Your Enemy and Wake Up.

munky_magik
12-28-2004, 01:26 PM
the best thing I thought about Tom was that he could be so creative without using effetcs

Guitar Symphony
12-28-2004, 01:49 PM
yea, he was really good at that as well. He was aboslute genious when it came to guitar comes up with funnest riffs ever.

Wolf-
12-28-2004, 02:08 PM
****, I just read through ten pages of information. I didn't learn too much because I already know a lot about RATM. If you're really into the band I recommend you read the Unofficial RATM faq located here: http://www.accidentprone.com/ragefaq/ramfaq32.txt . This should give you answers to most questions, including covers, meanings of the lyrics and various other information.

About the albums. A few years ago I bought a box set of their three 'real' albums, I didn't like it at first but now I'm really happy I bought it then. By listening to the CDs more and more the group quickly became my favorite. Each album has it's own qualities, but I like the self-titled the most.

Then there's Renegades which I picked up not so long ago. People in this thread said it was lame and uncreative for Rage to do a cover album. I say, listen to the original songs and realise how much changed. For example, Beautiful World, originally by Devo, was a crappy pop song. RATM turned it into an emotional and beautiful song. Then there's their version of How I could just kill a man, originally performed by Cypress Hill. Their version owns Cypress Hills' big time, although when they performed it together it sounded great too.

My favorite song would be Take the power back off their S/T album. It starts off with a nice bass intro followed by really insightful lyrics. I especially like this part:
The teacher stands in front of the class
But the lesson plan he can't recall
The student's eyes don't perceive the lies
Bouning off every ****ing wall
His composure is well kept
I guess he fears playing the fool
The complacent students sit and listen to some of that
Bull**** that he learned in school
Cheers all!

EonBlueApocalypse
12-29-2004, 11:32 AM
I think Take The Power back may be their most underrated song...it kind of gets overshadowed by a whole load of songs off the S/T, but it contains what I think is Morello's best solo, that break in the song that you mentioned, as well as the "No more lies" section at the end. They should definitely have played it live more.

thats one of my favorite songs off of s/t, and easily morello's best display of soloing. it uses the buildup of suspense very well that ratm has. very underrated indeed. great lyrics to it as well.

Thor
12-29-2004, 12:14 PM
Take the Power Back also has one of the coolest bass lines ever. Its just so catchy and you cant help but bob your head up and down to it.

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-29-2004, 10:53 PM
I've spent the last day and a half learning songs by RATM on guitar. So far I have Born Of a Broken Man, Bombtrack, Revolver, Bulls on Parade(Still working on the solo) Killing in the Name..I think thats it. OH! and Pistol Grip Pump :naughty:

Anyone have any other reccomendations as for RATM songs to learn? I would like to use my new processor, so songs with wah, etc. are welcome.

CaptainWaits
12-29-2004, 11:00 PM
Brad Wilk must have had the funnest job as a drummer..........he got to play simple wicked a*s grooves all day

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-29-2004, 11:45 PM
Brad Wilk must have had the funnest job as a drummer..........he got to play simple wicked a*s grooves all day

He still has that job, but it's probably not as fun becuase Audioslave doesn't kick as much *** as RATM did. :upset:

DonMancini
12-30-2004, 12:16 AM
Yes, Take The Power Back is a great track that is often underrated. I have never heard them play Wake Up live either, which dissapoints me. It is definitely one of my favorite tracks.

I always found Testify was great live, along with Freedom (they modified it to say "freedom! for maria!" at the end, which is just so touching and powerful)

superfascist
12-30-2004, 01:09 AM
I just bought the Live at the Grand Olympic Auditorium DVD today. It doesn't seem like they put excessive amounts of energy in their performances (especially Tom who just seems to stand in one place most of the time with the exception of when he plays the introduction to "Sleep Now in the Fire"). It's entertaining nonetheless.

boasta
12-30-2004, 09:39 AM
i actuallyhave seen a mexico dvd, in JB - HI FI but that was a while back, bombtrack is a wicked song :D

Thor
12-30-2004, 09:54 AM
Yes, Take The Power Back is a great track that is often underrated. I have never heard them play Wake Up live either, which dissapoints me. It is definitely one of my favorite tracks.

I always found Testify was great live, along with Freedom (they modified it to say "freedom! for maria!" at the end, which is just so touching and powerful)
It's actually "Freedom! For Mumia"
http://www.mumia.org/freedom.now/
Educate yourself, it is an interesting case.

icedopethblind
12-30-2004, 11:40 AM
hmm, favorites from the CD's I have...

1. Battle of Los Angeles
2. Evil Empire
3. Self-Titled

looks like i liked their evolution as a band better than the previous, heh....all 3 great records though imho...

Rasta Rocker
12-30-2004, 12:34 PM
Does anyone know if Zack is in a band, and is it political like RATM?

munky_magik
12-30-2004, 12:37 PM
He is now doing solo stuff, and I imagine that it is political although I haven't checked

Thor
12-30-2004, 01:29 PM
Does anyone know if Zack is in a band, and is it political like RATM?
www.marchofdeath.com
That is Zack's new project with DJ Shadow, and yes, it is very political.

Rasta Rocker
12-30-2004, 02:37 PM
thanks

CaptainWaits
12-30-2004, 02:48 PM
He still has that job, but it's probably not as fun becuase Audioslave doesn't kick as much *** as RATM did. :upset:


Not only they don't kick as much a*s as Rage did.....they just completely suck

Rasta Rocker
12-30-2004, 02:55 PM
yeah, i dont like audioslave at all. Unless they're doing stuff i dont know about, i think RATM was way more influential.

NuGgEt123
12-30-2004, 03:05 PM
Not only they don't kick as much a*s as Rage did.....they just completely suck

...they don't suck at all. how can something with tom in it completely suck?

Rasta Rocker
12-30-2004, 03:33 PM
Just cause there's a cool guy and a hell of a guitar player doesnt mean the band is good.

munky_magik
12-30-2004, 03:38 PM
ok the whole RATM vs Audioslave topic has been done to death
if this thread degenerates into solely that topic it'll get mowed down quicker than a badger crossing a 6 lane highway

Angus Young008
12-30-2004, 03:54 PM
www.marchofdeath.com
That is Zack's new project with DJ Shadow, and yes, it is very political.
that song sucks.the only good part is when he's like"check on the left.check on the left left right"or whatever he says.

Aside from that, Battle of Los Angelos is my favorite Rage album. :thumb:

Avril's Left Tit
12-30-2004, 03:58 PM
1. In any in-depth discussion involving RATM, Audioslave are going to crop up somewhere along the line. It's inevitable.

2. Self-Titled owns anything done by anyone ever.

3. Who do you reckon writes most of the riffs (where the guitar and bass follow the same riff?). If it's Tim, then he's vastly underrated, because the satisfaction you get from hearing/playing a classic RATM riff like the climax of Bullet In The Head or the intro to Freedom is amazing.

4. I would have given my right foot and several of the toes on my left one to have been at the Battle of Mexico City gig, judging from the DVD.

5. I think that RATM splitting up, whatever the reasons, was for the best. Quitting whilst your ahead kind of thing. Imagine if they reformed and released another album that it truly sucked? It would be a travesty.

Rasta Rocker
12-30-2004, 04:00 PM
"I think that RATM splitting up, whatever the reasons, was for the best. Quitting whilst your ahead kind of thing. Imagine if they reformed and released another album that it truly sucked? It would be a travesty."

it happened to metallica with st anger

Dr. Jake Destructo
12-30-2004, 08:04 PM
In that case, it would be good for them to reform, becuase I liked St. Anger. :D

slug4k
12-31-2004, 06:57 AM
whats u guys favourite ablum? mine is probs renagades

Darkness
01-01-2005, 12:56 PM
It's Morello who writes what are known as the "riffs". Of course, Tim comes up with some nice stuff, like the Calm Like A Bomb intro and the bass in the Bullet In The Head verses, but its Tom who comes up with the killer riffs like those in Bombtrack and Testify.

Yes Morello comes up with most of the riffs they play together but apparently Zack came up with some of the less complex...like mabye the chorus to Bombtrack or something but something like Know your enemy is definatly Tom's work.

Rage Against the Nirvana
01-01-2005, 01:14 PM
Tom is by FAR my favorite guitarist right now, well excluding the legends like Van Halen, and zakk wyld

Rasta Rocker
01-01-2005, 01:16 PM
I hope audioslave starts to fail miserably so then maybe RATM can reunite

CaptainWaits
01-01-2005, 01:46 PM
Yes I hope Audioslave fails miserably too!

Rasta Rocker
01-01-2005, 03:19 PM
Anyone else hear Killing in the Name in GTA San Andreas?

newby noob squid
01-01-2005, 04:26 PM
i think the self titled is the best album

Thor
01-01-2005, 07:55 PM
Anyone else hear Killing in the Name in GTA San Andreas?
Yeah its great. Also relating to RATM, they play "How I Could Just Kill A Man" also, but it is the Cypress Hill version. It's still good though.