**Rage Against The Machine**

[static]

EE > RATM > BOLA > LATGOA > Renegades
Wrong
Ratm > EE > BOLA > Renegades
Wrong
RATM > BOLA > EE > LATGOA > Renegades
Wrong
BoLA>RAtM>EE>R
Right!

[Lunch]

^Wrong.

EE > RATM > BOLA > LATGOA > Renegades

Right.

[static]

^Wrong.



Right.

My opinions>You :p

[Lunch]

My opinions>You :p

Wrong.

Edit: Real posts>bad one-word posts.

[dr._feelgood]

Ratm > Bola > Ee > R

[static]

Wrong.

Edit: Real posts>bad one-word posts.

:lol: > Edits

[Apocalyptic Raids]

white ninja's opinion > *

[Darkness]

They gradually got worse IMO, BUT the first 3 are still really close and are all classics. I just listened to BOLA for the first time in one year... good stuff. Tom is such a wicked player. Ashes in the Fall is still my favorite off that cd..

[static]

Definately, when he starts whacking off the whammy bar...classic.

[Thor]

Definately, when he starts whacking off the whammy bar...classic.
I wouldn't call it a classic because not too many people know about it, but it is still awesome.

NP - RATM - Calm Like A Bomb

[laba]

I just found RATM's four album for sale. S/T, EE, BOLA and Renegades. I am getting them today, for like $40. Score..:) They had the live at Grand A for sale too...but only the CD, I would prefer getting the DVD. ;)

[Aeaon]

They gradually got worse IMO, BUT the first 3 are still really close and are all classics. I just listened to BOLA for the first time in one year... good stuff. Tom is such a wicked player. Ashes in the Fall is still my favorite off that cd..


I can't pick which one I like the most. Selft Titled and BOLA are pretty much tired.

[static]

I wouldn't call it a classic because not too many people know about it, but it is still awesome.

NP - RATM - Calm Like A Bomb

I meant classic as in RATM classic, not music in general.

[Thor]

I meant classic as in RATM classic, not music in general.
Ahhhh, I see. I still don't think it's even a RATM classic because I've never heard about them playing it at a show before. A real RATM classic would be something like Killing in the Name, Sleep Now in the Fire, Bulls on Parade, Freedom, etc.

[Darkness]

Ashes has been played live once, in London. I have the bootleg, not very good quality, but still good. I also have a Darkness (Of Greed) bootleg of when they play in a small record shop in 91. Pretty rare..

[static]

Ahhhh, I see. I still don't think it's even a RATM classic because I've never heard about them playing it at a show before. A real RATM classic would be something like Killing in the Name, Sleep Now in the Fire, Bulls on Parade, Freedom, etc.

:rolleyes: It's a classic in my mind.

[Darkness]

:rolleyes: It's a classic in my mind.
Same... assumeing were still talking about Ashes in the fall.

[static]

Yes, we are.

[Thor]

Yes, we are.
Well I guess you can think that, because I think Wind Below is a classic. That song is just so perfect in every way. :D

[Darkness]

Another one of my favorites.

[Thor]

Yeah, Wind Below is the best song on EE by a longshot.

[static]

Yeah, Wind Below is the best song on EE by a longshot.
Personally, that's one of my least favorite RATM songs ever. Wait a minute....Are you Metal_Head_617 with a name change?

[ibanez_line6]

i havent heard any songs on evil empire, is it as good as the self titled or battle of los angeles

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I rate it just below the self-titled, and above BOLA.

[static]

BoLA>RAtM>EE

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Enough ratings already. Anyway Audioslave is coming to town so the local station is having a RATM/Soundgarden/Audioslave weekwnd, but I haven't heard one RATM song yet. Not surprised, that station is terrible.

[blue3]

That sucks. I think Audioslave plays a few RATM songs at the concert. I'm seeing them tomorrow.

[wrathchild88]

^ they do and they are pretty awesome. The soundgarden covers are also good.

[Six Foot Revolver]

They didn't before this tour but now they do, I know that they have covered:
Know your enemy
Spoonman
Bullet in the head (I think)
I am sure they do some others as well but I can't remember any.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

They do an instrumental version of Bulls On Parade
Sleep Now in The Fire
Killing Of The Name

[Thor]

An instrumental version on Bulls on Parade would be rather repetitive and boring.

[Retarded Chipple]

I love Rage! Brad Wilk is one of my favourite ever too.

[Darkness]

Saw them last night, they played Testify. :D

I did a quick/small review in the Tool thread..

An instrumental version on Bulls on Parade would be rather repetitive and boring.

After the intro (wah part) they kick right into the solo then carry on from their and end it. At the part with wah right before the drums, the whole crowd went 'COME WIT IT NOW!'. It was the best moment of my life. :p

[Thor]

I love Rage! Brad Wilk is one of my favourite ever too.
That's kind of weird, because Brad Wilk never really did anything that insane with the drums in RATM. He would always lay down solid beats, but I never heard anything from him that made my jaw drop.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

He can definitely groove though. Some of his riffs and fills are just perfect. Namely Vietnow.

[Thor]

He can definitely groove though. Some of his riffs and fills are just perfect. Namely Vietnow.
Yeah, he lays down good beats, but he's not like a metal drummer that makes you want to bow down or anything.

[Dude3]

Ugh! I want Rage to reunite now!

[Darkness]

He can definitely groove though. Some of his riffs and fills are just perfect. Namely Vietnow.
EE and Out Of Exile are his best performances. Out of Exile has some really sweet fills and beats.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Ugh! I want Rage to reunite now!
It's pointless, just give up like I have. :upset:

[Darkness]

It's pointless, just give up like I have. :upset:
After seeing Audioslave live, I don't know if I want to. Don't get me wrong, I love Rage, but man Audioslave is an awesome band. And if big Z's happy doing whatever it is hes doing, thats good to. :thumb:

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

^^^
Audioslave may be great live, but that still ain't RATM. I hate to sound all depressing, but hey, I guess it's the way I am.

[blue3]

Just got back from seeing Audioslave. They were ****in awesome. They played Bulls On Parade instrumental and Sleep Now In The Fire. And Killing In The Name for one of the encores. They also played Hunger Strike and a bunch of Soundgarden songs. Practically everyone was standing and head banging to Killing In The Name.. They didn't play Testify to the concert I went to though :(

[DuncMaster]

Just got back from seeing Audioslave. They were ****in awesome. They played Bulls On Parade instrumental and Sleep Now In The Fire. And Killing In The Name for one of the encores. They also played Hunger Strike and a bunch of Soundgarden songs. Practically everyone was standing and head banging to Killing In The Name.. They didn't play Testify to the concert I went to though :(

When did they play Testify?

Yup, "Fck you I won't to what you tell me!" was like the best moment of my life.

Audioslave Live in Cuba 11th October...3 Discs!

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

When did they play Testify?

Yup, "Fck you I won't to what you tell me!" was like the best moment of my life.

Audioslave Live in Cuba 11th October...3 Discs!

Really? Sweet!!! :thumb:

In this extraordinary concert, Audioslave performs in front of more than 50,000 fans in Havana, Cuba. Audioslave is the supergroup fusion of Soundgarden frontman Chris Cornell and Rage Against the Machine's Tom Morello. They perform songs from their self-titled debut album and upcoming release, Out of Exile, as well as surprise cover versions of Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun" and Rage Against the Machine's "Sleep Now in the Fire." Don't miss this opportunity to see Audioslave, the first American rock band to play in Cuba!

That on direcTV PPV this month :thumb: , but read the bolded line there. :angry:
That is just dispicable.

[Darkness]

When did they play Testify?

Yup, "Fck you I won't to what you tell me!" was like the best moment of my life.

Audioslave Live in Cuba 11th October...3 Discs!
They played at the show I saw. :thumb:

[blue3]

I wanted to hear Loud Love or Rusty Cage, but they didn't play it. Ah well.. Did anyone else go to the Calgary show?

I'm definately getting 'Live In Cuba' DVD.

[Dude3]

That'd be crazy if they played "Jesus Christ Pose". Utter craziness.

[Darkness]

I wanted to hear Loud Love or Rusty Cage, but they didn't play it. Ah well.. Did anyone else go to the Calgary show?

I'm definately getting 'Live In Cuba' DVD.
I was at the Edmonton one...

Edmonton >>>>>>>> Calgary :thumb: :D

[blue3]

No way. Calgary > You. The 30 Seconds to Mars singer said we were louder and better crowd than in Edmonton. I hated that band.

[Darkness]

Maybe for that band, but for Audioslave, our crowd couldn't be beat. Not to mention we got Testify... :p :thumb:

Calgary sucks. West Ed pwns everything they have there. Not to mention Klondike Days.

[blue3]

Actually the crowd for 30 Seconds sucked but whatever.

Liar, you didn't get Testify.. I'm actually not sure but I looked at the past setlists and it didn't say Testify. Well we got Temple Of The Dog song..

Stampede > Klondike Days. And West Ed does own..

[officer doofy]

ratm is so awesome, self titled is easily the best album ever. that is the only album where when I listen to it, I feel that it was entirely 100% about the music they were making and nothing else.

[Darkness]

Actually the crowd for 30 Seconds sucked but whatever.

Liar, you didn't get Testify.. I'm actually not sure but I looked at the past setlists and it didn't say Testify. Well we got Temple Of The Dog song..

Stampede > Klondike Days. And West Ed does own..
:lol: We actually did get Testify... it was incredible. I tried to get a setlist but I couldn't find where they were giving them out.

[blue3]

:upset: Fine.

Yeah well um.. Chris Cornell was wearing a pink shirt.

[Darkness]

He was wearing a dark blue one with a leather jacket. :D Tom was wearing his Unite hat.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Guys, guys, guys. Calgary is better than Edmonton, and I'm from Winnipeg so I'm not biased. Anyway, pick shirts are gay.

[Darkness]

Guys, guys, guys. Calgary is better than Edmonton, and I'm from Winnipeg so I'm not biased. Anyway, pick shirts are gay.
You suck.

[blue3]

Guys, guys, guys. Calgary is better than Edmonton, and I'm from Winnipeg so I'm not biased. Anyway, pick shirts are gay.:) Haha, you're right.

[Darkness]

:) Haha, you're right.
Nope. I actually don't live in Edmonton :lol: I live just outside of a place called Sherwood Park, which is about 15 min away from Edmonton. From my house its about a half an hour to get anywhere decent in the city. But Sherwood Park kicks *** to, largest Hamlet in the world.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

^^^
Thats where Jarome Iginala is from. :cool: Still Calgary is better. All in all though, Winnipeg is awesome. :thumb:

[blue3]

I've never been there. Jarome Iginla.. Go Flames.

Anyways, I'm listening to Sleep Now in the Fire. Rage Against the Machine rock.

[Thor]

I've never been there. Jarome Iginla.. Go Flames.

Anyways, I'm listening to Sleep Now in the Fire. Rage Against the Machine rock.
Always a good song choice, but I still think Calm Like A Bomb is the best song off of BoLA.

[iBENezrocker]

The Bass intro on Calm Like A Bomb just annoys me, I think it sounds silly. Not sure why just does. Rage is why I picked up a bass though however. Give me bombtrack any day

[Thor]

The Bass intro on Calm Like A Bomb just annoys me, I think it sounds silly. Not sure why just does. Rage is why I picked up a bass though however. Give me bombtrack any day
The bass intro was great, it makes it different from the rest of the songs.

[Popup-Box]

I am impressed by the originality of this band.

In addition to that, what did they do to reach that unbelievable high level of groove which appear in many of their songs (ie. Bullet In The Head, Snakecharmer, Bulls On Parade, almost all of them!)

I haven't heard many bands with a similar sense of rhythm.

They are talented, obviously, but could it be 4/4 swing rhythms that I hear opposed to regular 4/4?

Any inputs?

[Popup-Box]

Let's hope someone checks out this one soon.

[DuncMaster]

I am impressed by the originality of this band.

In addition to that, what did they do to reach that unbelievable high level of groove which appear in many of their songs (ie. Bullet In The Head, Snakecharmer, Bulls On Parade, almost all of them!)

I haven't heard many bands with a similar sense of rhythm.

They are talented, obviously, but could it be 4/4 swing rhythms that I hear opposed to regular 4/4?

Any inputs?
Yea, I agree. Extremely groovy/funky music. Don't know about the 4/4 rhythm things. :confused:

[Popup-Box]

Yea, I agree. Extremely groovy/funky music. Don't know about the 4/4 rhythm things. :confused:

Well, there must be SOMETHING extra to it. Their music IS that groovy, in my opinon.

[PinkFreud]

The Bass intro on Calm Like A Bomb just annoys me, I think it sounds silly. Not sure why just does. Rage is why I picked up a bass though however. Give me bombtrack any day
take the power back :thumb: :naughty:

[Natty666]

Self-titled is definately the best of the albums. I listen to it all the time, it never gets old. As for rage reforming..I doubt it. :upset: but at least we still have audioslave eh??

[Popup-Box]

Audioslave is also another groovy group, not very surprising considering it consists of 3/4 of Rage Against the Machine.

There's something about Zack De LaRocha's aggression I like, however, you can't deny the fact that the Audioslave vocalist (Chris Cornell, correct name?) sounds pleasant to the ear. Maybe more so than De LaRocha, but it all depends on what you are aiming for; aggression, musical perfection, creativity. No point in jumping on that discussion.

[Shaft!]

The Bass intro on Calm Like A Bomb just annoys me, I think it sounds silly. Not sure why just does. Rage is why I picked up a bass though however. Give me bombtrack any day
I don't think it sounds silly. It's a very jazzy intro and it's one of Tim's more difficult basslines on the entire BoLA album.
Rage won't reform. It would go against Zack's beliefs. People could interpret it as "selling out" or "doing it for the money". Zack won't go through with it.

[Thor]

Self-titled is definately the best of the albums. I listen to it all the time, it never gets old. As for rage reforming..I doubt it. :upset: but at least we still have audioslave eh??
Audioslave is only so-so. They will never be as good as RATM, so I don't see why we should get our hopes up. :upset:

[dr._feelgood]

RATM + Soundgarden + crap = Audioslave

[Darkness]

Audioslave is only so-so. They will never be as good as RATM, so I don't see why we should get our hopes up. :upset:
Audioslave rocks. Go see them live, you'll be blown. They may not be as good as RATM, BUT their still an awesome band very enjoyable songs. :D

[Thor]

Audioslave rocks. Go see them live, you'll be blown. They may not be as good as RATM, BUT their still an awesome band very enjoyable songs. :D
Yeah, I'd probably go to see them because Timmy C. and Tom Morello are such a huge influence on me musically.

[Darkness]

Tom may be less unique with his effects in Audioslave, but man, when I saw them... he shredded it up like 8 times. It was awesome, hes a huge influence on me to.

[Thor]

Tom may be less unique with his effects in Audioslave, but man, when I saw them... he shredded it up like 8 times. It was awesome, hes a huge influence on me to.
The great thing about Tom is that he changes some of his solos live and it always sounds great.

[blue3]

Yeah. I always thought RATM and Soundgarden were awesome bands but Audioslave was just okay.. But I changed my mind after I saw them live, Audioslave rules.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

You guys, I just realized why I was put on earth, TO REUNITE RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!!!:thumb: It won't be easy, but I will try my best. Wish me luck.

[blue3]

Hah. Yeah, you should. Good luck.

[Popup-Box]

Still no one around with insight in RATM's use of time signatures?

[Thor]

Still no one around with insight in RATM's use of time signatures?
Well what do you want to know about them? They use time signatures other than 4/4 on occasion.

[Popup-Box]

Well what do you want to know about them? They use time signatures other than 4/4 on occasion.

Well, the songs that got 4/4 then... some of them tend to be very groovy. It's like there's something extra to to them. Could it be that they incorporate 4/4 SWING rhythm as opposed to standard 4/4?

[Natty666]

Yeah. I always thought RATM and Soundgarden were awesome bands but Audioslave was just okay.. But I changed my mind after I saw them live, Audioslave rules.

yeah, i hadnt really listened to them that much before i went to see them live and i thought that they were amazing. i would have loved to have seen RATM live though :upset: they're in a completely different league to audioslave.

[blue3]

Audioslave live on Much Music tomorrow, for those who live in Canada.

[(>dragon~guitarist<)]

Audioslave live? Can't compare to Rage live, but who am I to say, I have yet to see Audioslave live. Though I heard they play Soundgarden and Rage songs live, maybe i'll buy their new dvd when it comes out.

[yeoldetattoosupply]

yeah the self title album is sweet

[blue3]

I wish I've seen Rage live.

[Bass_ment]

I'm sure we all woulda loved to see Rage live, but we can't. So its time to move on.

[.Realm.of.Chaos.]

RATM would be crazy to see live, **** you Audioslave i hate them so much

[Aberrationbass]

thing is with Rage theres a chance they could get back like with Pantera lets just hope none of them die before it happens........

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

^^^
Shut up, you're going to jinx it.

[Shaft!]

thing is with Rage theres a chance they could get back like with Pantera lets just hope none of them die before it happens........
If they did get back together, it would ruin them. If Zack didn't think that speaking at the U.N. or protesting outside of Wall Street and the DNC wasn't effective enough, what would happen from their revival? Nothing in the eyes of Zack. It'd be like they're selling out because they knew they were popular. What is there for them to do anymore? All the other bands have taken political turns, so what could they possibly do? "Show 'em how it's done?"
It'd be like repeating everything someone else has already said. There's nothing for them to be original about right now.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Wow...never have I heard such blasphemy. I think you're terribly wrong. YOu see many people only heard of them after they split up, like me. So those people were only left with their live DVD's which nearly as good as the actual show. I'm not asking for another CD, I just want to see them live.

[Shaft!]

I don't think I'm wrong because I think Zack believes that.

[blue3]

I finally got 'Battle of Los Angeles' today. Awesome album.

[laba]

What would be the best three songs of RATM for Drums??

[-The Frank]

What would be the best three songs of RATM for Drums??

bulls on parade is really fun to play on drums

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Freedom is good and maybe Vietnow.

[frmautumTOashes]

People of the Sun sounds fun to play on drums, but I'm not a drummer so I don't know.

[Bass_ment]

Just to throw in my two cents, I don't think that Rage will ever get back together again. There would be no purpose because both Zack and Tom (the most politically active) are both allready pursuing political goals without using the band.

If they got back together again it would just be to tour. and hey I absolutely loved seeing Black Sabbath live, but quite honestly, when you get to the point that you are a reunion band, you do lose a lot of your relevance to anyone who is not a fan. It would be great to see them live, but Rage were never just about touring. And if their members can't be allowed to attempt something different then they will simply fade into the background with thier legions of fans, but without the means or importance to make their message truly heard.

[Darkness]

Ghost of Tom Joad has some thrashy drums.

[laba]

Thanks for the replies, I personally like playing Killing In The Name as it has an 8bar solo...any other less popular Rage songs that have Drum Solos?

[Shaft!]

Just to throw in my two cents, I don't think that Rage will ever get back together again. There would be no purpose because both Zack and Tom (the most politically active) are both allready pursuing political goals without using the band.

If they got back together again it would just be to tour. and hey I absolutely loved seeing Black Sabbath live, but quite honestly, when you get to the point that you are a reunion band, you do lose a lot of your relevance to anyone who is not a fan. It would be great to see them live, but Rage were never just about touring. And if their members can't be allowed to attempt something different then they will simply fade into the background with thier legions of fans, but without the means or importance to make their message truly heard.
Thank you. I feel the same way.
The analogy was quite clever, as well.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

but quite honestly, when you get to the point that you are a reunion band, you do lose a lot of your relevance to anyone who is not a fan.
I actually agreed with you, but on this part that would be good. It would take away all the posers who are there because of the trend and leave all the true fans. Still good post.

[miketommorellofan]

rage against the machine are my fave band and i listen to every album but sometimes my opinions fluctuate in what i think of as the best.

ST - classics all the way, its got a great rawness to it but sometimes i feel that the production could have been better but as far as one of the greatest debut albums go its no 1 in my opinion

evil empire - brilliant album its in my opinion zach seems to be at his most angry which is great i think tom was amazingly creative using the allen key liste to the solo to snakecharmer

renegades - truly amazing i know a lot of people havent heard it coz its a cover album its more than that its not just a cover album its rage making the songs they love rage it unbelievable. the production on renegades is amzing it is an amzing album. highlights for how i could just kill a man, renegades of funk, in my eyes, the lot its brilliant.

the battle of los angeles - what an album how can people say they dont like this album. the only thing in my opinion is that the first seven tracks are some of the greatest i have heard but the rest arent on the same level which is disappointing still good though.

i think it has to be ST at the moment

[laba]

Self Titled just has so many great classics. But you can't just have one album, all of them are great for different reasons. Which DVD is their best? I have seen three different ones..

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Out of Mexico City and Grand Olympic, Mexico city is the best. I haven't seen the s/t one yet.

[Darkness]

Bad news, boys and girls.

At Zacks show last Friday, (see the thread on zdlr.net for details) a guy at the Tom Morello porject website said he met up with Zack and talked to him for a bit. Zack stated that he's just going to live a normal life playing small shows here and there around L.A, and that there will be NO SOLO ALBUM. Tell your friends.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Is he giving up on politics then? I'm confused now. Anyway, In My Eyes is an awesome track. I'm listening to Renegades right now.:thumb:

[Darkness]

No, just the album.

But I also just received word that this could be false information, that may have come from his fake myspace. So we'll see... only time will tell...

[Dead]

Every time I listen to Rage I want to start jumping with the song. Not much music makes me want to do that!

[blue3]

Yeah. I wake up to Rage songs.

[ibanez_line6]

Rage is so god**** funky that everytime i play it i am bouncing off the walls in funkiness, and i convinced my girlfriend to like them

[Bass_ment]

I actually agreed with you, but on this part that would be good. It would take away all the posers who are there because of the trend and leave all the true fans. Still good post.

But the message would be limited, they would be preaching to the converted.

If they were gonna get together, I would say that the best thing would be to do a one off show, for a charity or in support of a cause, do it in a huge venue to, like where they held Rock in Rio, so that they could bring as many people as they could.

As for cause I'd saying restoring the democratic government in Burma is a good one. Perhaps Tibet.

[A pig in a cage on antibiotics]

I would definatly be for RATM coming back together for one last tour, i can't see it happenin for another few years though. I've never seen them live, (I was 13 when they played their last concert :upset: ). I'd eat a Babboons *** to see them live and im REALLY Pis*ed off that i didnt see audioslave when they came this year, it'd be the closest thing to RATM. please tell me Audioslave are **** live coz i didn't go because it was a festival and they were the only good band, and i wasnt gonna pay €120 to see them unless it was gonna be REALLY good.

So i think that if RATM got back for a tour it'd give all the people who never got to see them live in the flesh a chance to cum their pants!! I know i would :lol: !!!

[Darkness]

Audioslave are incredible live. No joke.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

You've said many times. But they still aren't RATM. They never have or will be. They are two different bands. Tom, Tim, and Brad can't stess that enough.

[Darkness]

Yep, their not RATM. They are Audioslave. A mainstream rock band that produces a sound that is JUST as easily rock-out-able as Rage.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

See if the band wouldn't have split up there would be more to talk about. I think this thread is done. All the things to talk about have been said about 50 times, and now we're just arguing. I think some of us aren't even on speaking terms. I gues you are what you listen to, eh?

[Darkness]

This thread was done about 20 pages ago..

And RATM was done about 5 years ago, this time.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Well, I bid farewell. See you guys around.

[DonMancini]

This thread still exists 0_o can't believe it.

[Bass_ment]

well exists yes. Its not exactly living.

Its kind of a thread thats been put into an elderly home, content to mutter to itself about the same old things while proceeding with the same old routine day in and day out, forgotten by its family and oblivious none the less.

[dr._feelgood]

The Rage Thread is now back from the dead.

[blue3]

Not really.

I bought Renegades for my friend's birthday gift and she didn't like it. I liked it though.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Well, I have a very important question. What does it say under the visor on Tom's 'Unite!' hat?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Is he giving up on politics then? I'm confused now. Anyway, In My Eyes is an awesome track. I'm listening to Renegades right now.:thumb:

That's probably my favorite song from Renegades, probably because it's so different.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

So nobody knows what it says under the visor of Tom's 'Unite!' hat.
:upset:

[2muchket!]

No chance on a RATM comeback I hope Zack De La Rocha's solo album is good. As for this thread, I think it's personally done, even thought myself I've just gottne in to rage this year. Yes them an Tool are amazing.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Actually, Zach isn't releasing a solo album. For info check a couple of pages back.

[laba]

What is your fave RATM DVD? I got all three...they are all good to me.

[blue3]

I have none.. I'm hoping for a RATM DVD for Christmas or something. Which one is best?

[laba]

Get the Live at Grand... their last show. Not only a KICKASS concert..but a memory to remember forever..

[nowitzki]

Live at the GOA is the best. Mexico city is an awesome show but has crappy editing and effects over it. Self titled is good, but doesn't have as much material as the other 2.

[Stoo]

I have all 3. I love them all. The self-titled is good because it gives you a break from just one gig. Shows you footage from everywhere.

Never thought I'd see this thread again.

[timmySmi]

Every time I hear Sleep Know In The Fire it inspires me so much to just pick up my bass and start rockin. :thumb:

[nowitzki]

When I first started playing bass RATM was all I ever played, I was such a huge fan of them at the time and they inspired me so much.

[Grunge_Man]

the first song i ever learnt on guitar was renegades of funk. I dont know where i would be without rage and their amazing musical abilities, such a great band, now lets take a moment to praise god (tom morello)

[Stoo]

Indeed. If you seem him live then you'll realise that.

[Kyle]

Just got back into rage yesterday, havn't listened to them in about half a year. I learnt Killing In The Name on guitar last night which was really fun, what other songs of theirs will be fun to learn?

[Stoo]

Know Your Enemy/Take the Power Back.

[Bass_ment]

The whole s/t album is fun to learn. First album I learned all by ear too. (On Bass)

[Kyle]

yeah, freedom is pretty cool to play. My only problem is I can't get the solos to sound any good because I only have amp effects.

[Stoo]

Yea, I don't have a mutli effects pedal which pretty much rules out all Tom's solos.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

I've got a question. Does anybody have the Guerilla Radio single? I'd love to hear the live version of Without A Face. That's my favorite song by them.:thumb:

[Stoo]

Hello ancient thread.

Uhm, go to www.funkblast.com

That's Rage bootlegs with rare live songs. Can't remember if it had Without a Face though.

[Delta_King]

Doesnt work man. Must've gotten shut down

[Darkness]

It's not shut down, just click it again, and get rid of the musicanforums.com in the adress.

[blue3]

Yeah the site works. The videos aren't loading though, but I'm pretty sure that's just my computer.

[Aaron_Of_Oz]

RATM are so damn good it's not funny. tom morello is a legend for what he did with his guitar. one of the best rock/metal bands ever

[I'm Charming]

What are everyones favorite RATM songs?

For me I'll go with...

1. Wake Up
2. Killing In The Name
3. Bulls on Parade
4. Sleep Now In The Fire
5. How I could Kill A Man


I enjoy all their albums but Self titled and Battle of LA are the best for me.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

1. Without A Face
2. Bulls On Parade
3. Freedom
4. Vietnow
5. Township Rebellion

EE's 10th anniversary this year :thumb:

[Kyle]

err 5 favorites are:

1. How Could I Just Kill a Man
2. Take The Power Back
3. Bulls on Parade
4. Maggies Farm
5. Renegades of Funk

/Renegades is my favorite Rage album.

[Delta_King]

1. Know Your Enemy
2. Guerilla Radio
3. Take the Power Back
4. Bombtrack
5. The Ghost of Tom Joad

Have anyone noticed that Morellos solos with Audioslave arent half as good as the ones he did with Rage? Back then he balanced effects with technical ability, now he seems to be content just wanking off a waa pedal

[Stoo]

He still has good solos IMO.

Let's turn this into another list...

What's everyones top 5 Tom solos?

I'll type mine after a think.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Songs:

Killing In The Name
Calm Like A Bomb
Vietnow
Bullet In The Head
Darkness

Solos:

Darkness
Maria
Bulls On Parade
Bullet In The Head
Know Your Enemy

[Stoo]

Songs:

Killing In The Name
Calm Like A Bomb
Vietnow
Bullet In The Head
Wind Below

Solos:

Maria
Bulls On Parade
Bullet In The Head
Darkness
Know Your Enemy

Very good choice, but if you could choose solos from Rage and Audioslave... would the list be the same?

Top 5: No order.

Bulls On Parade.
Take the Power Back.
Darkness.
Guerilla Radio.
Township Rebellion.

Tom's Audioslave solos are good, but, as you can see from the list, the best Rage solos are Awesome! :p

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Hmm.... probably.

Like A Stone might be a possibility. Although it's been quite a while since I listened to Audioslave, and I can't quite remember :(

After another listen, I think Darkness deserves a promotion too.

[Delta_King]

Very good choice, but if you could choose solos from Rage and Audioslave... would the list be the same?

Most of the Audioslave stuff just isnt in the same clas IMO, but the solo in Out of Exile is a good un

[Stoo]

That's the problem Tom has with Audioslave, what hasn't he done already with RATM?? ...as far as soloing goes anyway. If you listen to "Drown Me Slowly" from "Out Of Exile" the solo is a mixture of the "Bulls On Parade" scratching and a "Take the Power Back" shred.

He has a harder job because he's trying to combine effects more than he used to.

He also has a harder job trying to please us (the fans), because we're expecting these fcking amazin, extremely original solos. Whereas from you're everyday Metal guitarist, you really only expect shredding.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I think it is good when he does some more traditional solos every once in a while.

Even with RATM, you could see he used effects more and more as their career went on.

[Stoo]

Yea, 90% of all the shred solos he's done in songs was on the Rage self titeld.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Yeah. Evil Empire had much more effects, and then BOLA he had loads.

On BOLA you can even see he is using them in the songs a lot more too.

[I'm Charming]

BOLA > Evil Empire


Other then the first three songs on EE, I think it's a little weak.

[blue3]

Revolver is good too. But yeah, I like Battle of LA more than Evil Empire.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I'm sorry Julianne, but EE > BOLA x100

[blue3]

I'm sorry Julianne, but EE > BOLA x100No way, Jonono. BOLA > EE x infinity.. Yeah, I so win.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Don't go there girlfriend.

[blue3]

Don't go there girlfriend.Hahaha..

Pirate metal!

[I'm Charming]

Hahaha..

Pirate metal!


Yarr.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I've got a question. Does anybody have the Guerilla Radio single? I'd love to hear the live version of Without A Face. That's my favorite song by them.:thumb:
There is a live version of Without A Face on Live & Rare.

Every RATM fan should have that album. It's awesome.

[I'm Charming]

There is a live version of Without A Face on Live & Rare.

Every RATM fan should have that album. It's awesome.

My favorite live song from Rage is "**** The Police". It's always fun.

[nowitzki]

There is a live version of Without A Face on Live & Rare.

Every RATM fan should have that album. It's awesome.
Live & Rare is awesome, I love the version of Bullet in the Head.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I love the cover of **** The Police.

[I'm Charming]

I love the cover of **** The Police.


I used to play that on guitar when I was first learning....

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I've never gotten around to learning it.

I haven't played a RATM song in ages actually. Guerilla Radio was the first song I learnt on guitar, Bombtrack was second.

[nowitzki]

When I was first learning to play bass all I ever used to play was RATM.

/1000th post finally

[Stoo]

Where the fudge can I get Live and Rare?

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I think you can get it as an import from Japan.

Or just downoad it, like I did. I saw it in stores here once, but it was $60.

[Bass_ment]

I found Live and Rare in a tiny record shop in the Netherlands who has some old guy in a leather vest blasting Dream Theater through some huge speakers.

If looking for it look in small, independant shops which have less customers and therefore more chance of you being the first to buy it. Also be prepared to pay a large sum for it. I payed over 40 Euros.

oh yeah and the live Bullet in the Head in their has THE best Morello guitar work. Ever.

[nowitzki]

I think I paid about £13-15 for my copy, this was a few years ago. Looks like its harder to get hold of now.

[Bass_ment]

^^^^
aww man, Way too lucky!

Oh well I was so blinded by the meer fact that I had found it anywhere that I likely would have got it if the price was a kidney and three toes.

[pasulpepe]

Don't go there girlfriend.

girlfriend

[I'm Charming]

When I was first learning to play bass all I ever used to play was RATM.

/1000th post finally


Congrats!

Evil Empire has some great bass.

[Rise Against1337]

Rage Against the Machine (when they were still together) was my favorite band of all time. I can't name an album they made which i didn't absolutely love. Everything they do is amazing...

The DVD Live at Grand Olympic came out, i immediately HAD to see it. I picked it up, and it was everything i hoped a Live concert could be, all that AND a bag of chips. All their best songs were on it, and even the Cypress Hill thing was tolerable (barely). Seeing Timmy C pumpin' the bass in Calm Like a Bomb was amazing. just the pure energy of the crowd got me going.

^^ my two Cents on RATM

[nowitzki]

Rage Against the Machine (when they were still together) was my favorite band of all time. I can't name an album they made which i didn't absolutely love. Everything they do is amazing...

The DVD Live at Grand Olympic came out, i immediately HAD to see it. I picked it up, and it was everything i hoped a Live concert could be, all that AND a bag of chips. All their best songs were on it, and even the Cypress Hill thing was tolerable (barely). Seeing Timmy C pumpin' the bass in Calm Like a Bomb was amazing. just the pure energy of the crowd got me going.

^^ my two Cents on RATM
Haha, I thought that bit was awesome. It is a great show, but I think the best performance is the Battle of Mexico city, that show is insane. Just a shame the DVD wasn't edited to great (over use of fancy camera effects).

[Stoo]

As far as live performance is concerned the Battle Of Mexico City is better. But hey, who the hell am I to talk I wasn't at any of their concerts.

*Has seen Killing In The Name live :p*

As I'm sure any of you other Audioslave fans have. :chug:

[nowitzki]

*Has seen Killing In The Name live :p*

As I'm sure any of you other Audioslave fans have. :chug:
Yup :cool:
I guess thats the best we're likely to get, God knows what Zack's up to now days.

[Poofy 666]

As far as live performance is concerned the Battle Of Mexico City is better. But hey, who the hell am I to talk I wasn't at any of their concerts.

*Has seen Killing In The Name live :p*

As I'm sure any of you other Audioslave fans have. :chug:
I'm not too big a fan, but I might pick BOMC up because I was born there. Guerilla Radio kicks ***, I think that song got me into the path to metal.

[Stoo]

I honestly think they'll make more music together. Where it be now or in 10 years, they will.

So much **** goin on in the world, how can the biggest political hard rock band have nothing to say?? What I mean by that is, they must have something to say through Rage Against The Machine. I'm fully aware how politically active Tom and Zack are. (Axis Of Justice and the like).

Rage Against The Machine communicated to the younger generation more effectively than anyone/anything else could.

They need to show Green Day the right Fcking way to make a political album.

/Jst watched Farenhiet 9/11.

/Is feeling angry towards America.

[323K1EL]

I say Battle of LA, I could listen 2 it all day, xcept then I'd start killing people or somethin, but yeah haha :p

[Stoo]

Intriguing first post.

[nowitzki]

I concur. If Rage make you want to kill, be sure to stay away from Cannibal Corpse.

[Stoo]

And Jessica Simpson.

[nobodyblossomsforever]

I say Battle of LA, I could listen 2 it all day, xcept then I'd start killing people or somethin, but yeah haha :p
That's just lovely. <_< >_>

[Hollywood Rose]

I love the cover of **** The Police.
123, it cheers me up all the time :p

[blue3]

123, it cheers me up all the time :pHa, yes it does.

Haha, Hilary Duff...

[Rise Against1337]

As I'm sure any of you other Audioslave fans have. :chug:


yeah, audioslave is awesome, and a completely different genre than their former RATM. Their first album seemed to me that they couldnt find what they were looking for in a band, tho they released some good sons, i.e Like a Stone, Show me How to Live.

Out of Exile blew me away, with some really great songs, and an awesome single. The music vid rocks too

[Delta_King]

yeah, audioslave is awesome, and a completely different genre than their former RATM. Their first album seemed to me that they couldnt find what they were looking for in a band, tho they released some good sons, i.e Like a Stone, Show me How to Live.

Out of Exile blew me away, with some really great songs, and an awesome single. The music vid rocks too

I'm of the oppposite mind. 'Audioslave' was the best album a new band from different styles that was still cementing together could release. Out of Exile didnt really push my buttons, particularly because Morello seems to be getting lazier in his playing. I mean, that 'solo' in The Worm? What was that?:confused:

[nowitzki]

Both Audioslave albums are good in places, I think the band are capable of more though. Of the two I prefer s/t.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

I have actually listened to all of both albums, and there are some amazing songs on both: The Curse, The Last Remaining Light, and Bring 'Em Back Alive I hadn't heard till recently and they are great. Except the last part to the Curse solo. That ruins it for me.

[nobodyblossomsforever]

Audioslave is ok, but only because of the guitar. I'm not much on Audioslave's singer, his voice just doesn't seem to give as much power in the music as Zack De La Rocha did.

[blue3]

Audioslave is ok, but only because of the guitar. I'm not much on RATM's singer, his voice just doesn't seem to give as much power in the music as Zack De La Rocha did.You mean Soundgarden, right?

[nobodyblossomsforever]

You mean Soundgarden, right?
uh...no...?

[blue3]

Oh okay. That made no sense then.

[nobodyblossomsforever]

How does it not? I'm stating my opinion. I think that Rocha gave more power with RATM than Cornell does with AS. I still like AS, but can't help but adore Rocha's vocals more than Cornell.

/rereads last post

OOPS, I meant to say:

I'm not much on Audioslave's singer, his voice just doesn't seem to give as much power in the music as Zack De La Rocha did.

[blue3]

Yeah..

I like Chris Cornell's voice more than Zack's.

[Rise Against1337]

Audioslave is ok, but only because of the guitar. I'm not much on Audioslave's singer, his voice just doesn't seem to give as much power in the music as Zack De La Rocha did.


i agree completely, his voice doesnt give the sheer raw power that Zack gave. For that, and because Rage experimented with guitar and bass effects, and because of Brad Wilk's funk drummin w/ ghost notes, Audioslave will never be as good as Rage

[nobodyblossomsforever]

Yeah..

I like Chris Cornell's voice more than Zack's.
I respect that.

These forums were created to voice our opinions without getting the crap beaten out of us. I find that Audioslave is more for when your in the mood for something loud and that gives you a rush, while RATM is good for when you feel angry and just want the world to go take a dump on themselves.

[nowitzki]

I do like a lot of Audioslave's softer songs, Like a Stone has to be one of Morello's best solos.

[DrownedThought]

Audioslave (with vocals) is more of a outer world experience with feelings and emotions. More imagery and spiritual lyrics.

Rage Against The Machine, well the main focus of the band was too be political. In which they were, but they used alot of names and places in the songs, because they need to let the listener know just what they are talking about.

Personally I like Zach's vocals more out of the two.

[nobodyblossomsforever]

Not to be a pasifist, but let's not turn this into a vs. thread. :)

[randomthought9]

Not to be a pasifist, but let's not turn this into a vs. thread. :)

True, I didn't like Audioslave when I first heard them because I saw them as RATM watered down, instead of looking at them as their own band. Now I like them. But RATM will never reunite, IMO. The band has ran it's course, and the guys are getting older. I mean could you picture 40 year old guys running around like "f**k the police!"?? It's just funny when you see people like that.

[Darkness]

Have you been to a recent Audioslave concert? They play Killing in the Name, all while Tom Morello gets 4 feet of air on the stage. He's 41.

[blue3]

Who cares how old they are.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Yeah, don't go there girlfriend. lulz

I prefer Zack to Cornell, mostly because I like RATM's music better than Audioslave's.

[blue3]

lulzordz.

I like RATM's music better than Audioslave too. But I listen to Soundgarden more than those bands.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

oic

I listen to RATM more. Louder Than Love is a great album though.

[blue3]

Yeah. Badmotorfinger's better though.

[FruscianteFan08]

I love both bands... if I had to choose (tough one)... I'd say Audioslave. I think that they're more harmonicly (if that's a word) sound than RATM

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Nah. Outshined, Rusty Cage and Jesus Christ Pose are better than any of the tracks on LTL, but I never really liked anything else off Batmotorfinger.

[nobodyblossomsforever]

Hey, whatever happened to Zack?

I remember months ago some n00b made a thread in either the Pit or here saying that he heard Zack got shot close to where he lives. Everyone flamed the hell out of him, like most people here do, but that got me wonderin', what's he up to these days?

Well, I'm out.

[Darkness]

Who cares how old they are.
Thats true. But he said it first, I was showing that even 40 year olds can still rock out, RATM style.

[nowitzki]

^For sure, I mean Maiden still do it.

Morello has got to be one of the coolest guitarists ever, no one else can wear their guitar that high, wear geeky clothes and pull it off.

[Bass_ment]

Morello is so awesome in his Boy Scout shirt in Battle of Mexico City.

And even more awesome for starting the interlude from "Township Rebellion" at the end of "Freedom". SUCH AN AWESOME ENDING TO A SHOW. My fav guitarist.

also please keep audioslave discussion to a minimum, this is a rage thread after all. And NO Soundgarden discussion at all!

[nowitzki]

Morello is so awesome in his Boy Scout shirt in Battle of Mexico City.

And even more awesome for starting the interlude from "Township Rebellion" at the end of "Freedom". SUCH AN AWESOME ENDING TO A SHOW. My fav guitarist.

also please keep audioslave discussion to a minimum, this is a rage thread after all. And NO Soundgarden discussion at all!
Yeah, that part at the end is amazing. I would do almost anything for a chance to see RATM live.

[ValeOfShadows]

The thing that turns me off about this band is the rapping.

[Bass_ment]

Yeah, that part at the end is amazing. I would do almost anything for a chance to see RATM live.

Would you kill a man....

[nowitzki]

Would you kill a man....
Here is something you just can't understand... how I could just kill a man.

[Stoo]

I put Renegades on my comp and the name of the song comes up as "How Could I Just Kill A Man" anyone else get that?

[Ra']

rage is awsome...i started getting into them just as they broke up so i never got to see them live...but then i heard that audioslave was comin to town and they played some rage songs so i jumped on the chance to maybe see part of rage live.... i must say it was awsome...they played instrumental versions of several songs and the whole place lit up and the crowd was all singing the lyrics.....it was beautiful ..lol... to bad the arent together anymore

[randomthought9]

Who cares how old they are.

I think I worded my post bad, of course they still rock! In fact, I started guitar because of RATM.

I think Zack's working on this solo album, but who knows what's gonna happen with it?

[Stoo]

This has been discussed loads. He was making a solo album ages ago. I've heard a song on the radio not long ago which was a Rock song with Zack singing.

Don't think the solo album is happening though.

I also started guitar because of Tom. :chug:

[nobodyblossomsforever]

Cool to know.

I think, and this is just mo, if Zack released a solo album, it would blow.

[blue3]

Oh yeah, I started guitar cause of RATM too.


Actually no, but I'll just say that.

[nowitzki]

I lost faith in Zack ever releasing his solo album a couple of years ago.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Actually I read that Zack made a guest appearance on a couple of songs, on the new Blackalicious cd. Just putting it out there.

About RATM ever regrouping, here's a quote from around the mixing stages of OoE:

Touching on Rage for a moment, did you feel you had seen that band come to its logical musical conclusion?
What happened was very simple, the singer quit the band. Period. Rage Against The Machine was a band until the singer abandoned his comrades on the field of battle.


It's from this really good Tom Morello article off of Ultimate-Guitar.

[blue3]

Post the link?

[Bass_ment]

Tim Commerford also expressed in Bass Guitar magazine that he does not miss RATM and that he thinks Out of Exile is the best album of his career. So RATM are over. Period.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I also picked up the guitar because of RATM.

[Shaft!]

From what I've heard, Zack left because he didn't feel the band was taking enough political action as it should. I respect the man and his work, but that excuse seems oddly fishy. R.A.T.M. is why I love politics. I think they touched the minds and souls of many a teenager and young adult.
R.A.T.M. is one of those bands I listen to while doing my homework/playing a video game/working on the computer and I just wish they were back. I miss the funky riffs, the funky vocals, the kickass bass and guitar and drums...
My biology teacher loves Rage and the main thing he hates about Audioslave is how soft Cornell's voice is compared to the rest of the band. He hears the music, gets pumped, and then Cornell starts crooning and he loses it. He just can't get into it.
Give him the self-titled Rage debut, and he becomes quite possibly one of the most kickass teachers in the state.

[nowitzki]

That seems like a stupid excuse from Zack, seeing as since he's left Rage he's done pretty much nothing in terms of voicing his political opinions, something he certainly would have been able to do if the band was still together.

[Shaft!]

My thoughts exactly. Maybe Zack just wanted to get out of it. Maybe he felt as though he could do more without three other people involved.
He obviously cannot.

[Darkness]

The amount of times I've bumped this thread to save conversation on my old favorite band is extremely high. It's good to see others bump it to. :)

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Post the link?
The link didn't work. Go to ultimate-guitar tabs. Go to the Audioslave tabs. Click on Audislave news. It's the second story.

[blue3]

I see, thanks.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I always figured it was mostly just tension between Zack and the other three. Mostly bought on from creative differences.

I remember reading an interview with Morello, and he said that for BOLA it was often just the three of them rehearsing and writing, and they would just send stuff to Zack for him to write lyrics.

meh

[Stoo]

Did Zack think he'd have a better way to voice his political opinions without one of the biggest Rock bands of our time?

Has anyone heard any "Nightwatchman*" songs? "Until The End" is class.




*Tom Morello alter-ego.