Barry Bonds used steroids

[Scott Herren]

The San Francisco Chronical is reporting that Barry Bonds admited to using illegal steroids during the 2003 season in testimony in the BALCO scandal. In his testimony he claims that he didn't know the substance he was using was steroids.

[CreepingBlack]

Jason Giambi admitted to steroid use, and he said he got the steroids from Bond's personal trainer. So, you put 2 and 2 together.....

[LegionsofMarduk]

First, until last year MLB had no official rules against performance enhancing drugs.

Second, everyone acts like they're surprised. HELLO! Give me a break. I don't even watch baseball but from watching the news I knew somethign was up. Everyone did. But we were all in denial.

To quote Mike Celizic of NBC sports:

Give me a break. Finding out that Bonds may have taken banned substances — even if you want to buy into his excuse that he didn’t know he was doing anything wrong — is a surprise on the level of discovering that the sun rises in the east, that two-year-olds like sweets, that fox terriers bark at strangers and that it’s a bad idea to tell a woman she’s got a fat backside.

Adopt any of those policies, and I’ll care about Bonds again. But don’t bore me with sanctimonious drivel about abuses everyone knew existed. Bonds has done what he’s done under the rules of the game. If the game doesn’t like it, it can change the rules. Otherwise, everyone should just shut up.

Taken from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6642822/

Read that. Among a few of the other articles on Giambi and Bonds. Everyone is so up tight about it that they're saying take away Bonds' and Giambi's MVP's and such. If we do that, a lot of Hall of Famers are going to be removed from the Hall of Fame and have their awards/records stripped.

[Shred Danson]

Good, now we can take away that home run record, and give it back to Mark McGwire. I've never liked Bonds, he's a cocky son of a bitch.

[Scott Herren]

McGwire was on steroids too.

[Shred Danson]

McGwire was on steroids too.

Oh, well then give it back to Maris. :lol:

(self-pwnage :upset: )

[Jom]

McGwire was on steroids too.

I thought he was on andro, which is not steroids. It's an enhancer, but not steroids.

There is a very good chance that I am wrong, though. :(

[Scott Herren]

I thought he was on andro, which is not steroids. It's an enhancer, but not steroids.

There is a very good chance that I am wrong, though. :(
You are right I think. He admitted to andro, but he may have been using steroids that he didn't admit too. But you are right, the only thing for sure is the andro.

[Joey Hoser]

Why the hell do you need steroids to play BASEBALL!?

[Tyrant21]

Why the hell do you need steroids to play BASEBALL!?
haha, agreed, baseball is the only sport where you can be out of shape and old and still be one of the best.

oh, golf too.

[3074326]

This is what I have to say about the whole situation:

You still have to have talent to hit a 95 mph fastball, or any breaking pitch. Hitting the ball must be very under-rated. You don't need that much muscle to hit a 95 mph fastball out of a ball park, the steroids may have helped him hit the balls 450 feet, but the steroids did not increase his level of talent.

Barry Bonds can hit. Steroids don't magically make someone hit the ball more.

[Reaganista]

I think Bonds and anyone else caught taking any banned enhancers should be Pete Rose'd.

like tomorow. It's the only way to restore any integrity.

[3074326]

Well, the MLB better just shut down. Same with the other four major sports. People are acting like steroid use in sports is so rare. It's not, at all.

[Reaganista]

Steroid use doesn't occur in the other sports, they are all tested all the time.

the MLB is the only one that doesn't have mandatory testing.

[3074326]

The steroid they are speaking of right now has been going undetected for quite some time.

Look at David Boston of the Miami Dolphins. They've tested that guy about every week for years. There's no way he's not on steroids. It seems like he changed immediately after he was drafted into the NFL.

I bet there are some other drugs that are going undetected. It would not surprise me at all.

I'm not promoting steroid usage, it's stupid, but it does not increase a baseball player's actual talent. Mainly power.

[ThePatient]

The guy who is on 20/20 tonight who was the head of BALCO, seems to lack credility in my book. Same goes with Greg Anderson (Bonds' trainer). Bonds is innocent until proven guilty.

And 3074326 took the words right out of my mouth about steroids.

[Reaganista]

The steroid they are speaking of right now has been going undetected for quite some time.

Look at David Boston of the Miami Dolphins. They've tested that guy about every week for years. There's no way he's not on steroids. It seems like he changed immediately after he was drafted into the NFL.

I bet there are some other drugs that are going undetected. It would not surprise me at all.

I'm not promoting steroid usage, it's stupid, but it does not increase a baseball player's actual talent. Mainly power.

o wow speculation.

[3074326]

o wow speculation.

I know what I'm saying isn't a fact, and I didn't claim it to be. It's my opinion.

[Reaganista]

ok.

[Scott Herren]

Bonds is innocent until proven guilty.

Bonds isn't on trial. He admitted to unknowingly using steroids. It's as simple as that. There is no innocent or guilty attached to it.

[ThePatient]

Personally, I don't hold it against him. If he didn't know they were steroids, then he did nothing wrong.

[Reaganista]

1. I don't think I can believe him.
2. Yes he did, he took steroids.

[Scott Herren]

The only way for him to save face is to claim he didn't know he was taking them. Given the multitude of evidence and testimony from other players, I think that is highly unlikely.

[ThePatient]

He hasn't done anything to make me believe that he isn't telling the truth.

[dancetomdance182]

There was to be no prosectution if Bonds told the truth.

[CreepingBlack]

The steroid they are speaking of right now has been going undetected for quite some time.

Look at David Boston of the Miami Dolphins. They've tested that guy about every week for years. There's no way he's not on steroids. It seems like he changed immediately after he was drafted into the NFL.

I bet there are some other drugs that are going undetected. It would not surprise me at all.

I'm not promoting steroid usage, it's stupid, but it does not increase a baseball player's actual talent. Mainly power.
power, and endurance. Personally, i think the home run records are forever tainted now. Ruth used to eat too much, fucck too much, and party and sleep too much, and go out the next day and hit 3 home runs. Now you got guys doing steroids and that totally taints the record books. Its like if the MLB brought in aluminum bats. You'de still need talent to play, but everything would be just a little easier.

[Butane]

I don't think all these homeruns are on part of players taking steroids. Somebody's obviously throwing the pitch, and we haven't had too many good pitchers for the past several years; no solid pitchers that faced the National League in 1998 anyways. Otherwise, the batters are actually pretty good hitters. I don't think anyone's personal preferences should affect their career accomplishments at all. I mean, if you think Babe Ruth was bad, what about people like Dennis Rodman or Erving Johnson?

If they do get found out with steroids, oh well. It isn't very hard to schedule a time for a player to piss in a cup, anyways.

[3074326]

power, and endurance. Personally, i think the home run records are forever tainted now. Ruth used to eat too much, fucck too much, and party and sleep too much, and go out the next day and hit 3 home runs. Now you got guys doing steroids and that totally taints the record books. Its like if the MLB brought in aluminum bats. You'de still need talent to play, but everything would be just a little easier.

You have to hit a ball on a certain part of the bat to hit a home run. You don't just make contact and hit a home run. Steroids do not make you a better player. They make you stronger, yes.

Any MLB player could hit a home run if he puts the right part of the bat on the ball.

How many home runs has he hit that barely went over the fence? Not nearly as many as he has hit that have cleared the fence by 25 feet.

[Scott Herren]

You have to hit a ball on a certain part of the bat to hit a home run. You don't just make contact and hit a home run. Steroids do not make you a better player. They make you stronger, yes.

Any MLB player could hit a home run if he puts the right part of the bat on the ball.

How many home runs has he hit that barely went over the fence? Not nearly as many as he has hit that have cleared the fence by 25 feet.
Juan Pierre has a good batters eye.

[3074326]

Yes, he does, but he's a contact hitter. His game is getting infield hits and hitting it in the gaps. Bonds doesn't have the speed as Pierre, so it's hard to compare the two.

And I've seen Pierre take some pitches out because he got the right part of the bat on the ball.

[Your Mom, B*tch]

I understand what you're trying to say, 3074326, but if you truly believe what you're saying then you are naive. All you need to look at is offensive production in the seasons that Bonds, Sosa, and McGwire bulked up. Now each one of them put on a good 30 pounds of muscle or so in a single offseason. You can't in any way tell me steroids have no part in a guy having a .300 gain to his career average slugging percentage like Bonds did in every season since '01. Take a look at this chart:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=bondsba01

Same thing for Sammy Sosa. In 1998, the year he bulked up, take a look at his stats, and look at every year since and before. It's just unreal.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=sosasa01

While it should make sense what you are saying, the numbers tell a different story. The fact is, the stronger you are, the quicker your reflexes are, and the more nimble your bat is. Can you imagine what kind of a monster Ichiro would be if he were Bonds' size?

[3074326]

Barry Bonds works out with the San Francisco 49er's team each off-season. He's building muscle whether he's using steroids or not. He hit home runs before his huge home run season, and that's when he started taking this illegal substance.

I'm not trying to say what he did was the right thing, I'm trying to explain that steroids did not make him a better baseball player.

That's all I'm trying to say. Bonds is a pure hitter, with or without steroids.

[Your Mom, B*tch]

While the word "good" is a subjective term, I still don't understand how you can even contest that. Compare his 4 best years pre-juice, to his 4 consecutive years since:

Before:
.336(avg) .677(slg)
.312, .647
.311, .624
.306, .688

Post:
.370(avg) .799(slg)
.362, .812
.341, .749
.328, .863

Once again, I understand what you're trying to say, but it's just not reality. If what you were saying was true then his avg. would be staying very similar to where it was before he bulked up (under .300 avg before 2001). You can't say that a 37 year old ball player all of a sudden started getting a better eye for the ball.

Jerry Rice is a more gifted athlete and has a more disciplined workout routine than Bonds, and his career has been going downhill for years.

[3074326]

His home run numbers have been consistant if you take out the 73 home run season.

The stats you just provided just proved what I am trying to say. Bonds is a pure hitter, with or without steroids.

The argument that I'm providing is an argument against the people that think steroids made him a better baseball player.

[jimiraymorrison]

Major League Baseball has bastardized the game so much that it's unwatchable. The players are all hopped up on steroids, there's no salary cap, stadiums are hitter-friendly, the list goes on and on


Thank God there's still American Football

[Your Mom, B*tch]

Well I think those stats prove that the roids DID make him a better player. What other reason would his batting average and slugging percentage go up so obscenely? You're right about the homeruns, but you can't deny the other statistics. If the roids wouldn't have made him a better player then his batting average would still be around the .300 range, because you're saying they have only helped him hit the ball further. I've always felt the avg. is the best way to differentiate a good player from the pack.

[3074326]

His average is up because of his 73 home run season. He has less at-bats to get out. He's probably the only player that sentence holds true for; he gets on base more than ge gets out. Not due to steroid use.

His walks are up an incredible amount since that season. His on-base percentage is so much higher because he gets so many walks.

When he's not getting walked, he's hitting the ball. Not out of the ball park all the time, but he's not striking out. He rarely strikes out, and that is not because he takes (or has taken) steroids.

[Reaganista]

His home run numbers have been consistant if you take out the 73 home run season.

The stats you just provided just proved what I am trying to say. Bonds is a pure hitter, with or without steroids.

The argument that I'm providing is an argument against the people that think steroids made him a better baseball player.

No, those stats actually proved that Bonds improved after taking steroids.

Your argument is asanine and not borne out by anything grounded in reality.

[3074326]

Steroids make him more powerful. He had one stand-out season in regards to power.

What is so invalid about that? I never said he didn't take steroids, I'm just saying that they didn't make him a better player. His power stats are consistant, other than one ridiculous year. The steroids probably did have an impact on his stats that year, but he has had no seasons even close to that one since then.

His statistics after that were largely impacted by that season. Walks, OBP, average, his decrease in RBI's, etc.

That is not an invalid argument at all.

His strike out to hit ratio is amazing. That is not due to steroids. He is one of the best hitters in baseball.

[Your Mom, B*tch]

How do you explain his batting average then? Batting average is how many hits you will have per 1000 at bats. How is his avg. up about 50 points (almost 20% better than his career average up to that point) in every season? You don't get better eyes when you're almost 40.

Like I said, if steroids had nothing to do with it then his average would not be going up astronomically. Batting average has nothing to do with walks, and his slugging percentage is huge, even though he hasn't broken 50 home runs since the 73 I think.

[Reaganista]

Steroids make him more powerful. He had one stand-out season in regards to power.

What is so invalid about that? I never said he didn't take steroids, I'm just saying that they didn't make him a better player. His power stats are consistant, other than one ridiculous year. The steroids probably did have an impact on his stats that year, but he has had no seasons even close to that one since then.

His statistics after that were largely impacted by that season. Walks, OBP, average, his decrease in RBI's, etc.

That is not an invalid argument at all.

His strike out to hit ratio is amazing. That is not due to steroids. He is one of the best hitters in baseball.

He used steroids. His batting average suddenly went way up. That's not a spontaneous and unrelated improvement.

[3074326]

His average is up because he has less chances to get out. Bonds can hit the ball. The less at-bats he has, the higher his average is.

Batting average has absolutely nothing to do with steroids. It has to do with hand/eye coordination. That's a talent that cannot be increased by use of a substance, but by practice.

Look at his stats. He's had a much higher batting average in his years with much fewer at-bats. It's a trend that makes sense, and has nothing to do with steroid use. The man can hit, that's a natural talent. He could hit before his huge home run season.

[Scott Herren]

His home run numbers have been consistant if you take out the 73 home run season.

The stats you just provided just proved what I am trying to say. Bonds is a pure hitter, with or without steroids.

The argument that I'm providing is an argument against the people that think steroids made him a better baseball player.
A good theory that he had 1 good home run season and that was a fluke, but since he has been taking steroids, his homerun/at bat ratio has been way better than before steriods. The fact that he gets the least number of at bats in the league has something to do with why he barely leads the league in homer in the past few years.

[Scott Herren]

His average is up because he has less chances to get out. Bonds can hit the ball. The less at-bats he has, the higher his average is.

Batting average has absolutely nothing to do with steroids. It has to do with hand/eye coordination. That's a talent that cannot be increased by use of a substance, but by practice.

Look at his stats. He's had a much higher batting average in his years with much fewer at-bats. It's a trend that makes sense, and has nothing to do with steroid use. The man can hit, that's a natural talent. He could hit before his huge home run season.
Steriods made him a more powerful hitter. If he hits a ball over the fence, it is unplayable. He is hitting the ball over the fence at a better clip then he ever did pre-steroids. The huge increase in balls that he hits that are unplayable/leave the ballpark in relation to balls that are playable has increased dramatically. That is why his batting average increased. Because when he hits the ball fair, so much more often it is a home run.

[Reaganista]

His average is up because he has less chances to get out. Bonds can hit the ball. The less at-bats he has, the higher his average is.

That is a statistical fallacy. regardless of whether or not he has 100 at bats or 1000 at bats his potential to get a hit remains the same.

He's gotten less at bats because he is hitting better, which makes him get more walks.


Batting average has absolutely nothing to do with steroids. It has to do with hand/eye coordination. That's a talent that cannot be increased by use of a substance, but by practice.


Steriods gives him more power.

That gives him better bat speed, makes his line drives faster and harder to catch and turns fly outs into homeruns or hits over the outfielders head.


Look at his stats. He's had a much higher batting average in his years with much fewer at-bats. It's a trend that makes sense, and has nothing to do with steroid use. The man can hit, that's a natural talent. He could hit before his huge home run season.

No, his hitting ability increased, therefore his walks increased. It is absurd to think that getting less at bats makes him more likely to get hits.

[3074326]

He's gotten less at bats because he is hitting better, which makes him get more walks.

No, his hitting ability increased, therefore his walks increased. It is absurd to think that getting less at bats makes him more likely to get hits.

The first sentence in the quote is not due to steroids, but being a good hitter.

The second part of the quote is not what I was trying to say. If Bonds was a bad hitter, like Sosa, but still had as many walks, his average would be very low. Since Bonds is a much better hitter than Sosa, his average is higher. I was basically trying to say what I've been saying the whole time. Bonds can hit with or without steroids. That's all I wanted to say in this thread, I wouldn't have said anything if I'd have known all this was going to start.

Barry Bonds can hit the ball, and he would be strong enough to hit home runs without steroids. Like I said, he's been working out with the 49er's in the off-season. Add that to working out during the baseball season, and you get him working out year-round. He has enough power to hit 45 home runs every year without steroids. I honestly don't think his stats are flawed, other than the 73 home run season. His home run stats are average since then, and his walks, OBP, etc. are because of that season.

It's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. I'm done arguing.

[Kaden]

All 3074326 is trying to say is that he was a good hitter even before he took steroids.

[Scott Herren]

But what he actually said was that steriods haven't had an effect on the type of hitter he is, when they obviously have. Before 2001, nobody would have considered him the greatest hitter of all time.

[ThePatient]

123 to everything 307 has said. He covered everything and now I have nothing to add. :(

[Scott Herren]

I honestly don't think his stats are flawed, other than the 73 home run season. His home run stats are average since then, and his walks, OBP, etc. are because of that season.

Before his 73 home run season, he had only one 45 home run season in the previous 14 seasons (including those in his mid-twenties, late-twenties, and mid-thirties, you know, the prime of a normal athletes career). Since the 73 home run season, Bonds has had 45 homer seasons in three straight years, in far fewer at bats than he was getting in his first 14 seasons in the big leagues.

[ThePatient]

There are players who prosper in the latter part of their career. i.e. - Matt Williams

--And tons of pitchers, though I admit that is irrelevant to the point.

[Scott Herren]

There are players who prosper in the latter part of their career. i.e. - Matt Williams

--And tons of pitchers, though I admit that is irrelevant to the point.
I was refuting the comment that aside from his 73 homer season he has been consistent. He hasn't, his post steriod numbers have been better. Nobody is arguing that the latter part of Bond's career hasn't been better than the first 14 years because it has (although that seems odd).

[Scott Herren]

Prior to alleged steriod use, Bonds had a batting average of .289.
Since alleged steriod use, Bonds has a batting average of .349.

In the 80s and 90s, Bonds' best season slugging was .677.
In the last four years, Bonds' worst season slugging was .749 (others were .799, .812, and .863).

Prior to alleged steriod use, Bonds averaged a home run every 15.7 at bats.
Since alleged steriod use, Bonds averages a home run every 8.2 at bats (nearly twice as often).

You have to be in an alternate reality to not aknowledge that his pre-steriod years have paled in comparison to his steriod years.

[3074326]

Before his 73 home run season, he had only one 45 home run season in the previous 14 seasons (including those in his mid-twenties, late-twenties, and mid-thirties, you know, the prime of a normal athletes career). Since the 73 home run season, Bonds has had 45 homer seasons in three straight years, in far fewer at bats than he was getting in his first 14 seasons in the big leagues.

Henry Aaron hit 47 home runs when he was 37, 34 when he was 38, and 40 when he was 39.

[Scott Herren]

Again, I never said that the latter part of Bond's career hasn't been his greatest years. In fact that is my point.

[3074326]

I was trying to disprove your point that peoples' athletic ability goes down 100% of the time.

I know you didn't mean that's the case 100% of the time, it is for the most part, but Bonds is an exception. Bonds is in peak physical condition. He rarely gets injured, unlike many athletes on steroids (McGwire).

[Scott Herren]

Hank Aaron didn't have a sudden surge in numbers at the age of 37. He had always been putting up those numbers. Bonds, did have a surge at the age of 37. Where did it come from? Steriods.

[ThePatient]

HR and Hit Stats for 3 years Prior, and 3 years after the 73 year

H Prior - 167, 93 , 147 = 136
Bonds missed 60 games in 99, so with a projected hit count, he would've had 160, which makes the AVG 158
H Post - 149, 133, 135 = 139

HR Prior - 37, 34, 49 = 40
'99 Projected = 54 Prjctd HR Avg = 47
HR Post - 46, 45, 45 = 45

So, by the looks of that, which I must say is great research by muah, steroids did not have an effect on his hitting ability. Maybe the length of the homeruns, but not how many. His career was on an upswing in the first place, steroids did nothing but raise his voice.

[3074326]

He had a huge surge for one year. It appears to me that he stopped using steroids after that year, because his power numbers don't touch the numbers that he had that year. I have not read anything that has told how long he used the BALCO substances, so I don't know.

He had great numbers when he was in his mid-30's (pre-steroid use), and that's not in his prime.

I have no hostility toward you guys, I want to make that clear. Just a good debate. :)

[Scott Herren]

HR and Hit Stats for 3 years Prior, and 3 years after the 73 year

H Prior - 167, 93 , 147 = 136
Bonds missed 60 games in 99, so with a projected hit count, he would've had 160, which makes the AVG 158
H Post - 149, 133, 135 = 139

HR Prior - 37, 34, 49 = 40
'99 Projected = 54 Prjctd HR Avg = 47
HR Post - 46, 45, 45 = 45

So, by the looks of that, which I must say is great research by muah, steroids did not have an effect on his hitting ability. Maybe the length of the homeruns, but not how many. His career was on an upswing in the first place, steroids did nothing but raise his voice.
This has already been addressed previously. Hits aren't the proper stat raw, you must account for the far fewer number of at bats that he has had post steriod use. That is why his batting average is 60 points higher then it was before his steriod use.

[ThePatient]

Ok, but even post '01, his hit count didn't go down drastically even with the fewer at bats.

[Scott Herren]

He had a huge surge for one year. It appears to me that he stopped using steroids after that year, because his power numbers don't touch the numbers that he had that year. I have not read anything that has told how long he used the BALCO substances, so I don't know.

He had great numbers when he was in his mid-30's (pre-steroid use), and that's not in his prime.

I have no hostility toward you guys, I want to make that clear. Just a good debate. :)
You realize that his numbers are misleading because in the 73 homer year he was getting far more at bats then say...last year. In the last few years he almost never sees a pitch to hit. So, yeah if you just look at his home run numbers (although 45 is an incredible number), it appears that his 73 home run year was WAY better, but in reality, those home runs came in over 100 more at bats.

[Scott Herren]

Ok, but even post '01, his hit count didn't go down drastically even with the fewer at bats.
Get your mind off the raw number of hits, batting average is the stat you need to look at. A person who gets more opportunities to get a hit will get more hits, that is what batting average takes into account.

[ThePatient]

Yes I know that. I think I've just lost track of what this debate is about. Last I checked it was on whether or not steroids enhanced his hitting ability, which I don't believe they did. And if thats what this is about, then yes, you do look at his hit count, with less ABs, he still maintained about the same amount of hits.

[Scott Herren]

It is about his hitting ability and his batting average (a direct measure of hitting ability) is 60 points higher since steriod use.

[ThePatient]

Ok, well his hitting ability has not changed. And yes, his avg. will be higher since teams know he can burn them. He instilled fear into his competion, so directly, no, steroids have not had a direct effect on his current ability.

[Scott Herren]

Ok, well his hitting ability has not changed. And yes, his avg. will be higher since teams know he can burn them. He instilled fear into his competion, so directly, no, steroids have not had a direct effect on his current ability.
Hitting ability has improved 60 points since steriods. That is actually a pretty significant change. Teams "knowing he can burn them" has only to do with the number of pitches he sees. He sees less pitches and still gets similar number of hits, so his hitting ability has increased. That's all I can say. If you don't understand, nothing more I can do.

[ThePatient]

Ok, I get what you're saying. You never explained it like that. Don't mistake that for agreement though.

[Reaganista]

All 3074326 is trying to say is that he was a good hitter even before he took steroids.

He's also a cheater. :thumb:

[ThePatient]

He's only if a cheater if he knew he was cheating, which he says he didn't. And he hasn't done anything to make me not believe him.

[Vaya]

more then half of the mlb players use a stimulant, until they start checking before every game you cant do anything. you can mask steroids in a week so doing it unperiodically will do nothing.

[Reaganista]

He's only if a cheater if he knew he was cheating, which he says he didn't. And he hasn't done anything to make me not believe him.

No, he's actually a cheater either way.

[ThePatient]

Its a matter of opinion.

[Your Mom, B*tch]

You'd have to be an idiot to believe his story that his trainer just told him to take the cream and said it was flax seed oil. First off, he says his trainer is his best friend...why would your "best friend" deceive and lie to you like that? I would sure think your best friend would tell you exactly what you're putting into your body or else he's not much of a friend. He turned Sheffield and Giambi onto his trainer because he knew what the creams were doing to him...not because he thought he was taking some stupid flax seed oil (which by the way has nothing to do with weight gain).

I'm sorry, but if you believe Bonds didn't knowingly take roids, then must also be one of those ignorant people that thinks all Iraqis feel liberated and that we are all safer now because of the war.

[3074326]

Let people have their opinions. I've not bashed anyone in this thread, so don't bash me.

[Vaya]

Bonds more then likely did use steriods, but you have to remember steriods weren't banned in the MLB when he did use them, which was only one year. and i can bet you 805 of baseball players use some type of supplement which shouldnt be used, this also goes for the NFL

[3074326]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1939250

The steroid they are speaking of right now has been going undetected for quite some time.

Look at David Boston of the Miami Dolphins. They've tested that guy about every week for years. There's no way he's not on steroids. It seems like he changed immediately after he was drafted into the NFL.

[Scott Herren]

Boston should be banned from the game.

[Reaganista]

If he actually did anything.

[davser]

The 'didn't know' argument doesn't hold water. In every other sport overseen by WADA the onus is on the athlete to be aware of everything that goes into their body. Blaming you trainer doesn't wash.