My emo theory...

[thickasabrick]

Does anyone think that emo music, which usually expresses feelings of sadness and talks about lifes problems, is just the newer form of blues?

is that not what blues music was originally all about? all the black people singing about their problems being black and poor and other such things, eventually white people started singing the blues, although they didn't have as much to complain about. eventually the situation bettered a little for black people, slavery was gone, laws were made, so they didn't have as much reason to sing the blues.

so after a few decades, no one really needs to sing the blues, black people aren't looked down upon nearly as much, white people never had a reason for the blues...people need to find other ways to express their unhappy emotions.
suddenly Kurt Cobain started signing the blues, although not in the original true blues way, it was a new form of blues. it took rock n roll, which was a genre born out of blues, and turned it into grunge. when grunge died off, true rock music wasn't around much, there was a lot of pop music, a lot of metal but no true rock. eventually emo showed up, which had the same ideas that the old blues guys sang about, kurt cobain sang about, it was just in a new style.

so basically if you make fun of someone for "being emo", you are making fun of the blues, which is the basis for a lot of rock and roll music. and no one has the right to make fun of someone for "being rock and roll".


did that make sense to anyone cuz it kind of just happened spur of the moment.

[oXsuzyshinnXo]

Yeah that made sense..but blues has a jazz kind of mellow tone on it's guitar, and emo is more rock I guess you could say. I don't know where I'm getting at really but I get what you're talking about. I partially agree...
And emo people are awesome.

[Iai]

I think you really didn't think this through. Either that, or you know very little about the blues.

[DemBonez]

did that make sense to anyone cuz it kind of just happened spur of the moment.


No. Saying "I hate emo music" has no correlation to blues music at all. General theme may be the same, but that's where the comparasions stop. A blues song can be happy, yet the style that it is played is still part of the blues. The meaning behind the song doesn't classify it's genre, it's how the song is structured. The gypsys in Europe have been writing music with these sad themes for hundreds of years, but their music hardly has anything to do with the blues.

Emo could be modern society's form of complaining. I see nothing resembling the blues at all in the emo music I have heard, and to say it is a "newer form of blues" doesn't work for me. The blues is still kicking, although you made it sound like some lost art. Your whole statement about people's reasons for the blues is asinine. Everyone is different, the most obscure people can have the most obscure reasons to feel whatever they do.

[deejuks2]

i hate emo people. they can't ever seem to have any sort of fun

[Reaganista]

emo is a post-hardcore genre.

[DFelon204409]

You are all so ignorant. Emo has been around since 1984, long before grunge was ever formed. On top of that emo isn't all about complaining. In fact most of it is extremely introspective and poetic as opposed to the straight forward, frank cynicism of the blues or the toned down Gen X values of grunge. Emo is ornate and extremely different than what you're pinning it down as.

[DemBonez]

Green River was around in the mid-80's ('85 being their first album) so I doubt emo was long before grunge. You either have to generalize them all or none of them, can't just paint it in the way you want to.

[Jimbo3181]

Even if emo dates as far back as '84, how can you say that the direction it's heading in is very good? I can't stand the music that's labeled "emo" or "screamo" or "hardcore". It can be interesting if the artists actually know something about music, but it seems these days that if you give someone a guitar and say to them "here, write a song" it's automatically considered planned out, knowledgeable music.

That's what I think, anyways.

[DFelon204409]

Even if emo dates as far back as '84, how can you say that the direction it's heading in is very good? I can't stand the music that's labeled "emo" or "screamo" or "hardcore". It can be interesting if the artists actually know something about music, but it seems these days that if you give someone a guitar and say to them "here, write a song" it's automatically considered planned out, knowledgeable music.

That's what I think, anyways.

I'm going to assume that you don't know what emo actually is or else you wouldn't have made that comment. A lot of modern emo is very similar to early emo. A lot is drastically different. The directions of modern emo are classical and modern but they're still both good in the vein of original emo. You should try listening to a modern emo band like Circle Takes the Square (www.hxcmp3.com/bands/1710) who are different than the crap people label as emo these days. The direction emo is heading is amazing and actually requires more and more talent considering acts like Hot Cross and CTTS.

[DFelon204409]

Green River was around in the mid-80's ('85 being their first album) so I doubt emo was long before grunge. You either have to generalize them all or none of them, can't just paint it in the way you want to.

Never heard of Green River but I'm going to take your word for it. Let's look at it from a different point of view then. When did emo hit its height? 1985ish. When did screamo hit its height? 1992ish in San Diego. That's well before grunge hit its height in around 1993 and 1994.

[DemBonez]

Never heard of Green River but I'm going to take your word for it. Let's look at it from a different point of view then. When did emo hit its height? 1985ish. When did screamo hit its height? 1992ish in San Diego. That's well before grunge hit its height in around 1993 and 1994.

Green River is considered to be the first grunge band, and they formed in 1984. Two of the members are now in Pearl Jam.


I disagree fully about when each genre peaked. By you needing to tell us the history of emo, it shows it wasn't that big during the '80s. I am assuming more people know who Weezer and Pedro The Lion than the stuff put out in the '80s (I can't name any, but I'm not exactly someone who could name anything modern either). If you meant the quality of the music, then I wouldn't be able to weigh in there. I don't listen to either genre ... pretty much at all.

[dogliver41]

Emo is just people complaining about stupid ****. I've never heard the older Emo bands, but now it's a joke. I find the genre sounding more like a producer oriented genre, like disco and pop. I'm sorry to see that music has never really recovered after Nirvana. I'm glad to say this to you guys but: EMO IS GAY!!! I agree with what DemBonez has said about Emo and the blues, they're not the same . Now screw u guys, i have to write an essay

[TouchNGo]

that an interesting theory put forward by the thread starter, i think they meant to point out both styles of music have an undercurrent of emotion and pain and that emo could be the modern day equivalent of what the blues was at that particular time, not to draw comparisons musically. not that i agree with the theory, thats just my interpretation of it.

[BuddyBigsby]

Hahaha, no.

[Zappa]

You really ARE thick as a brick, aren't you?

[Silvermedalmafia]

Wow, emo and blues. There is absolutely NO connection between them.

[izzy]

Does anyone think that emo music, which usually expresses feelings of sadness and talks about lifes problems, is just the newer form of blues?

is that not what blues music was originally all about? all the black people singing about their problems being black and poor and other such things, eventually white people started singing the blues, although they didn't have as much to complain about. eventually the situation bettered a little for black people, slavery was gone, laws were made, so they didn't have as much reason to sing the blues.

so after a few decades, no one really needs to sing the blues, black people aren't looked down upon nearly as much, white people never had a reason for the blues...people need to find other ways to express their unhappy emotions.
suddenly Kurt Cobain started signing the blues, although not in the original true blues way, it was a new form of blues. it took rock n roll, which was a genre born out of blues, and turned it into grunge. when grunge died off, true rock music wasn't around much, there was a lot of pop music, a lot of metal but no true rock. eventually emo showed up, which had the same ideas that the old blues guys sang about, kurt cobain sang about, it was just in a new style.

so basically if you make fun of someone for "being emo", you are making fun of the blues, which is the basis for a lot of rock and roll music. and no one has the right to make fun of someone for "being rock and roll".


did that make sense to anyone cuz it kind of just happened spur of the moment.

That's pretty damn narrow minded of you, just because white people aren't a minority doesn't mean they didn't have problems. Also, emo is too vaguely related to the blues for you to say you'd hate them both if you hated one of them. That's like saying you have to like two bands just because they were inspired by the same musician. For example, Weezer and Radiohead were both inspired by Pixies. But they're completely different and not all people who like Radiohead like Weezer and vice versa. What things are based off of doesn't say jack ****. Basically most of today's music is based off of the rock if not rock in itself, and that from blues. So if what you said is true, you can't make fun of anyone for liking any music otherwise you'd be making fun of them for disliking blues.

Another thing.

Emo= The Opposite of good
Blues=Good

P.S.- Please don't fill these forums with rants about things you don't know anything about.

[Ledmetalicbeatle]

so basically if you make fun of someone for "being emo", you are making fun of the blues, which is the basis for a lot of rock and roll music. and no one has the right to make fun of someone for "being rock and roll".
That should win an award for the stupidest thing ever said, no really were you up all night thinking about this? The blues is a decent form of music blues musicans were telling you something, where emo kids are complaining about a girl they can't get over. I also don't like that fact that it's called emo last time I check emotions cover more than complaining and crying. Angry, Sad, Happy, Bored these are all emotions where emo doesn't even touch on all of them. I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of crap for saying that all emo is just crying little brats who can't get over a girlfriend but that's all I've heard.

[BuddyBigsby]

I can't get over how stupid this thread is.

[DFelon204409]

Green River is considered to be the first grunge band, and they formed in 1984. Two of the members are now in Pearl Jam.


I disagree fully about when each genre peaked. By you needing to tell us the history of emo, it shows it wasn't that big during the '80s. I am assuming more people know who Weezer and Pedro The Lion than the stuff put out in the '80s (I can't name any, but I'm not exactly someone who could name anything modern either). If you meant the quality of the music, then I wouldn't be able to weigh in there. I don't listen to either genre ... pretty much at all.

Dude. Weezer and Pedro the Lion are not emo bands. Weezer is power pop, and indie on Pinkerton and Pedro the Lion is indie. The fact of the matter is, emo is not a very popular genre so I'm not surprised that you and others don't know much about it or listen to it.

[DFelon204409]

Emo= The Opposite of good
Blues=Good

P.S.- Please don't fill these forums with rants about things you don't know anything about.

Your post script speaks out against the first half of what I quoted you on. Hilarious that you preach against something you yourself do. In the same post no less! There are only two people who have posted in this thread who know what emo is, and you are not one of them.

[Fireflyhigh]

Wait a minute... you think that a music born from disenfranchised people lamenting their slavery is the same as a group of surburban, middle class (predominantly) whining about a girl who dumped them. Where, uh, where does this stuff come from?

[rockinbass17]

i think that was pulled right out of your ***

[Fireflyhigh]

i think that was pulled right out of your ***
Who's this directed to?

[tornpictures]

Never heard of Green River but I'm going to take your word for it. Let's look at it from a different point of view then. When did emo hit its height? 1985ish. When did screamo hit its height? 1992ish in San Diego. That's well before grunge hit its height in around 1993 and 1994.

Sorry bro, gotta correct you here:

Emo hit its height in 1991-1996.

'Screamo' hit its height in 1998-2002 (Reversal of Man, Saetia, etc.)

I don't know anything about grunge.

[Kif]

Wait a minute... you think that a music born from disenfranchised people lamenting their slavery is the same as a group of surburban, middle class (predominantly) whining about a girl who dumped them. Where, uh, where does this stuff come from?
Because that isn't emo. Emo is such a lost art nowadays, no one even knows what it is anymore. I know that it isn't what you said it was, that is just a cliche that everyone has in their mind, the same way people think moshers are goth-wannabe freaks with black clothes, spiey wristbands and too many bike chains on their trousers.

What you described was pop-punk, pure and simple. Nothing emo about singing about broken hearts. I'm not gonna try and say what is emo, and I'm sure as hell not gonna say how it compares with the blues (mainly because I can't), but I just wanted to clarify that.

[Toozey]

Doom Metal is pretty emo.

[Fireflyhigh]

Because that isn't emo. Emo is such a lost art nowadays, no one even knows what it is anymore. I know that it isn't what you said it was, that is just a cliche that everyone has in their mind, the same way people think moshers are goth-wannabe freaks with black clothes, spiey wristbands and too many bike chains on their trousers.

What you described was pop-punk, pure and simple. Nothing emo about singing about broken hearts. I'm not gonna try and say what is emo, and I'm sure as hell not gonna say how it compares with the blues (mainly because I can't), but I just wanted to clarify that.
Ah fair enough then - the reason perhaps I have this sterotype of emo is that it's been chucked around on TV etc. so **** much.

Would you care to offer a few bands that you would regard as being indicative of good Emo, if you'll not say what it is?

[Bartender]

Go have a look at the first page of the Emo/Screamo thread (in this forum), it's full of suggestions.

[Fireflyhigh]

Thanks. Will do.

[rockinbass17]

Who's this directed to?

the threadstarter

[dudetezz]

Why does everyone assume anyone that listens to emo hates life and stays inside all day crying? I listen to quite a bit of emo, and im the polar opposite of this. When are people gonna learn that emo has some of the best music being made right now, and that anything that is completely different to "emo" normally ends up sucking a'ss.

[tornpictures]

I can't wait for everyone to notice I'm back again.

I bet they'll be jumping with joy!

[DFelon204409]

Sorry bro, gotta correct you here:

Emo hit its height in 1991-1996.

'Screamo' hit its height in 1998-2002 (Reversal of Man, Saetia, etc.)

I don't know anything about grunge.

I'm really not buying it. Just because Saetia was the biggest force in emo doesn't mean they were the peak. I know you don't think that Gravity Records had screamo bands on it so I can also dismiss your opinion on that one. Gravity Records was ridiculous in terms of magnitude and scope for screamo, especially without the aid of stuff like hxcmp3.com and other sites that promote emo these days.

[MightyMorphinPowerPepino]

In fact most of it is extremely introspective and poetic as opposed to the straight forward, frank cynicism of the blues or the toned down Gen X values of grunge. Emo is ornate and extremely different than what you're pinning it down as.

Translation : Emo is random words thrown into a piece of paper. The less sense they make, the deeper they are according to emo kids.

Not deep: She left me and I'm sad.
Deep: Their words will cause the sweetest fracture from a stone's throw
just a scratch upon the skin, a drop of blood to welcome them (Circle Takes The Square - Non-Objective Portrait of Karma)


Not deep: My feet smell and I'm sad.
Deep: Consciousness, sometimes silence is all I need. Take all prior notions back. (Yaphet Kotto - Highly Enlightened)

[Kif]

Not deep: She left me and I'm sad.
Not deep: My feet smell and I'm sad.
Make a song about a breakup using both those sentences and I will agree with you.

[TouchNGo]

Because that isn't emo. Emo is such a lost art nowadays, no one even knows what it is anymore. I know that it isn't what you said it was, that is just a cliche that everyone has in their mind, the same way people think moshers are goth-wannabe freaks with black clothes, spiey wristbands and too many bike chains on their trousers.



this is probabaly the most accurate description of emo ive read on this forum. some say its the seminal emo bands from the 80's that are the true emo and some say its bands like thursday and alike who embody the emo genre, so no one can really put their finger on what emo is or mention an emo band without someone else putting up an argument or a link to a website that diputes it as not real emo.

[thickasabrick]

im surprised people replied to this...

im not trying to put down emo, and im really not trying to say i know alot about emo music. i just made this thread to show people that emo music isn't just a bunch of little crybaby boys whining, i used blues as a comparison, i wasn't trying to say they were the same genre. i was just trying to say that liking emo music doesn't make you a crybaby loser.

i realize it was written quite poorly, and i suppose i could have really summed it up in a few sentences, but oh well..its too late now.

[Luxor]

That's pretty damn narrow minded of you,
Another thing.

Emo= The Opposite of good
Blues=Good

P.S.- Please don't fill these forums with rants about things you don't know anything about.
Heh, you always succeed in making me laugh izzy.

[El_Shiznit]

You are all so ignorant. Emo has been around since 1984, long before grunge was ever formed. On top of that emo isn't all about complaining. In fact most of it is extremely introspective and poetic as opposed to the straight forward, frank cynicism of the blues or the toned down Gen X values of grunge. Emo is ornate and extremely different than what you're pinning it down as.
I was going to say that.
Rep+++

[DFelon204409]

Wait do I really get Rep points? I'm so excited. I don't even understand what they are but I want them.

[izzy]

Heh, you always succeed in making me laugh izzy.

Thanks? *Doubts it's a compliment*

[dogliver41]

I think most of guys dont get the picture. EMO IS GAY!!! Most of you guys are right that emo and the blues aren't the same thing. And remember:
CLAPTON IS GUITAR GOD!!!!!!!

[DFelon204409]

I think this dog liver is onto something. Emo is "totaly gayz0rs!!11!!one!!" Let us learn from this.

[tornpictures]

I'm really not buying it. Just because Saetia was the biggest force in emo doesn't mean they were the peak. I know you don't think that Gravity Records had screamo bands on it so I can also dismiss your opinion on that one. Gravity Records was ridiculous in terms of magnitude and scope for screamo, especially without the aid of stuff like hxcmp3.com and other sites that promote emo these days.


Uhh, I don't remember saying Saetia were emo.

Screamo. 1997-2000 (Maybe I listed something else in my last post but whatever).

Height of emo: Indian Summer, Embassy, Mainspring, etc.

[DFelon204409]

Saetia is an emo band man. There is minimal off the hinge chaos that one can automatically associate with screamo. pageninetynine reeks of screamo whilst Saetia does not.

[Rage Against The Lavigne]

i hate emo people. they can't ever seem to have any sort of fun

OMGINSULTINGEMOKIDSISJUSTCOOLLOLZ!!!111!!!one!!!1!

[tornpictures]

Saetia is an emo band man. There is minimal off the hinge chaos that one can automatically associate with screamo. pageninetynine reeks of screamo whilst Saetia does not.

I bet they are.

Saetia kind of started all the 'screamo' fad.

Way after the whole emo scene.
Screamo bands don't need 'off the hinge chaos.'

[TMA]

Well, I guess that I would kind of have to half-*** agree with the original statement at hand.
I think Emo in a way is like blues because it IS about getting out the raw emotion of life that we all deal with, but I think that Emo does it in a more hardcore/angsty manner, which I prefer.

[DemBonez]

What type of music isn't about emotions though?

[DFelon204409]

What type of music isn't about emotions though?

Emo doesn't mean emotional. Emo stands for emotional hardcore. All music deals with emotion but only emo is a genre.

[TMA]

Yeah. I mean, you never hear terms like "Emo-Punk", "Emo-Metal", "Emo-Indie" or any crap like that. No, Emo is just a genre that just so happens to be very well focused on the emotion the majority of the time. Sometimes it isn't, but that doesn't stop it from being labled emo.

[Rocker4Lyf]

Ok, here are my views on "emo" as a genre. It doesn't exist. I know, blows your minds doesn't it? Let me rephrase, it doesn't exist or it exists in everything. Using "emo" as a genre label, in my opinion, is pointless as it is still unclear as to what "emo music" actually is. Give me any band you consider "emo" and I can put them in a genre that much better describes their music...that is, if you need a genre to classify it. As a musician, I try to pay close attention to what is happening in the music world (rock world more specifically) and I think that the emo genre (actually more of a subgenre than a genre unto its own) never needed to exist. Don't misunderstand, not the music that is to be considered emo, but the genre label itself. See, like I said, any music that some would put into an "emo" category, I can put in one that much better fits and maybe even compliments the music itself. I could keep going, but you get my point.

[theunknownspunk_0]

Am I the only one who finds it amusing that the DC post-hardcore scene has not been mentioned once? I mean C'mon, Ian Mackaye coined the phrase "emo". I'll agree with who ever it was that said emo is a "lost art form". Listen to Rites of Spring or Embrace and call them whiney.

[DFelon204409]

Am I the only one who finds it amusing that the DC post-hardcore scene has not been mentioned once? I mean C'mon, Ian Mackaye coined the phrase "emo". I'll agree with who ever it was that said emo is a "lost art form". Listen to Rites of Spring or Embrace and call them whiney.

Ian MacKaye actually never wanted or asked for that phrase. Emo was given to the genre he started by accident. He just thought he was making more diverse hardcore but people created a genre, emotional hardcore, for it.

[This User Name is taken.]

I don't have a problem with emo music, but emo kids are just annoying...

And some of the emo-lyrics can get kinda annoying.

I'm not sure *Ponders more on the subject*

[DFelon204409]

Ok, here are my views on "emo" as a genre. It doesn't exist. I know, blows your minds doesn't it? Let me rephrase, it doesn't exist or it exists in everything. Using "emo" as a genre label, in my opinion, is pointless as it is still unclear as to what "emo music" actually is. Give me any band you consider "emo" and I can put them in a genre that much better describes their music...that is, if you need a genre to classify it. As a musician, I try to pay close attention to what is happening in the music world (rock world more specifically) and I think that the emo genre (actually more of a subgenre than a genre unto its own) never needed to exist. Don't misunderstand, not the music that is to be considered emo, but the genre label itself. See, like I said, any music that some would put into an "emo" category, I can put in one that much better fits and maybe even compliments the music itself. I could keep going, but you get my point.

You are an idiot. An here is why:

-You are suggesting that calling music emo is only a commentary on the lyrics when in reality the lyrics are meant to be extremely open. The music itself is emotional hardcore, and emo does need its own separation.

-Your whole argument asserts that emo doesn't work as a label because you can find a better name or classification for the music. Punk is a fast, sloppy form of rock but the word "punk" itself is Chaucerian and means child molester. The names of genres are assignments and don't always necessarily have to do exactly with the music that they describe. "Emo" is a shortened form of the genre emotional hardcore. Does that mean that if an emo band writes in a sloppier form, they are punk? No more than being a child molester is a pre-requisite of being in a punk band. You can't subdivide everything, the way you see fit when you don't see the whole picture.

-I mean seriously your user name is "Rocker4Lyf." How dare you try to maintain an opinion. You don't deserve one with a user name like that.

[This User Name is taken.]

-I mean seriously your user name is "Rocker4Lyf." How dare you try to maintain an opinion. You don't deserve one with a user name like that.

:lol:

:amaze:
... I found it amusing..

[tornpictures]

Am I the only one who finds it amusing that the DC post-hardcore scene has not been mentioned once? I mean C'mon, Ian Mackaye coined the phrase "emo". I'll agree with who ever it was that said emo is a "lost art form". Listen to Rites of Spring or Embrace and call them whiney.

+4 Scene points for the Drive Like Jehu picture.

DFelon, you don't know as much as you think you do.

People often refer to emo as a 'lost art.'
I disagree. Try finding some releases by bands like Toru Okada, The Sea, The Sea, Die, Emperor! Die!, Sinaloa and Life at these Speeds.

[Foreign lawns]

Emo, as a genre, seems to refer to hardcore-rooted music that deals with more introspective topics in the lyrics than your typical hardcore band. The word was come up with by some guy making fun of Rites of Spring, and I believe their response was "what, so Bad Brains weren't emotional? were they just ****ing robots or something onstage?" The comparison to the blues seems extremely superficial to me.

Circle Takes The Square. Deeper than Taking Back Sunday, but just another part of the ****ty new wave of emo AND hardcore. Discount my opinion on that if you like...I listen to lots of freaky noise stuff now, I could be missing out on good stuff hidden away somewhere.

And the only recommendation I have is for you "emo wusses sing about losing their girlfriends who cares" guys is to give Moss Icon, Angel Hair, Heroin, and Mohinder a shot...

[tornpictures]

Thanks, dude.

It's good that someone apart from me finally made a statement against Circle Takes the Square being 'true emo.'

Mohinder are one of the best bands to ever have existed.

[SalomeHigher]

stop interpreting blues so narrowly.

for those of you who call the guitar tones 'jazzy and mellow', listen to some howlin' wolf or muddy waters or bo diddly.

and for those of you who talk about blues being the complicated lamentations of a 'disenfranchised people' (as opposed to adolescent girl-crazy emo whining).... have you ever HEARD blues music? there is a MASSIVE, MASSIVE amount of material soley about lost love, unrequited love, cheating women, etc.

don't make assumptions.

[Rocker4Lyf]

You are an idiot...
-I mean seriously your user name is "Rocker4Lyf." How dare you try to maintain an opinion. You don't deserve one with a user name like that.


Oh, I get it...you're one of those people. :thumb:

"Emo, as a genre, seems to refer to hardcore-rooted music that deals with more introspective topics in the lyrics than your typical hardcore band. The word was come up with by some guy making fun of Rites of Spring, and I believe their response was "what, so Bad Brains weren't emotional? were they just ****ing robots or something onstage?" The comparison to the blues seems extremely superficial to me."

hmm...good point.

[TMA]

Oh, I get it...you're one of those people. :thumb:

You mean the kind of person who can't respect the opinion of a person with a retarded user name?

[DFelon204409]

Thanks, dude.

It's good that someone apart from me finally made a statement against Circle Takes the Square being 'true emo.'

Mohinder are one of the best bands to ever have existed.

They're not true emo. I don't think anybody ever really thought they were "pure." To me, the best emo bands stray from emo and include other genres. Circle Takes the Square and Hot Cross are emo-rooted bands that also include progressive rock into the mix. It makes for a good time. Actually in general, I usually dislike bands that rely too heavily on one genre. It's interesting hear disparate influences in one piece.

[srt-4]

off topic, but has any body seen Hot Cross live? I really want to go see them next week when they come to my town, if i can get off work. I'm sure they put on a great show, just wondering how great.

[DFelon204409]

I have heard it's ridiculous from reviews and friends. I missed them because I had mono that sucks so hard oh it stings.

[BuddyBigsby]

off topic, but has any body seen Hot Cross live? I really want to go see them next week when they come to my town, if i can get off work. I'm sure they put on a great show, just wondering how great.

They're pretty good live.

[srt-4]

ok, thanks for the replies guys. i'll have to make sure to get off work for it then.

[thefedisking]

i guess what you said sorta made sense but i think you missed a couple things, like for example, the fact that an entire musical genre such as emo or the blues cant be summed up to the lyrical content. if you ask me the reason old blues music usually has sad lyrics is becuase it just fits better because of the blues actual style, which is usually sad, mellow guitars and as far as i know, usually slow tempo. if you put like energetic lyrics or something like that in blues music it just wouldnt sound right. also, the blues originated a long time ago so sappy blues songs were popular due to the times...people were not used to anything other than "soft" music. also, the blues arent necissarily sad, ive heard alot of blues stuff that isnt sad at all, its just the sad stuff is more popular, so theres alot more of it. and just to prove my "lyrics dont make the music" point, morrissey for example has sad lyrics and slow, sad, mellow music, but he isnt emo or blues. its the style, and the style for blues is slow and sad, so the lyrics fit better if theyre slow and sad too.

[andy_h_182]

emo was cool, then the OC came along and ruined it

[DFelon204409]

emo was cool, then the OC came along and ruined it

Uhh...no. Emo was cool until you ruined it. Right now. You just did it.

[Rocker4Lyf]

You mean the kind of person who can't respect the opinion of a person with a retarded user name?

because "TMA" or "The Monkey Abuser" is the epitome of a user name that isn't retarded. It's just a name guys, get over it. I just expressed an opinion, take it or leave it. You chose to leave it. That's fine.

And actually, a few other people in here actually gave me reasons to believe their opinions were valid ones.

[tornpictures]

I have heard it's ridiculous from reviews and friends. I missed them because I had mono that sucks so hard oh it stings.

They're alright live, I've seen better.

Certainly not 'ridiculous.'

You should've seen Antioch Arrow. ****.

[BuddyBigsby]

I would give pretty much anything to go back and see Antioch Arrow. **** you for being born nearly 20 years before me, prick.

[tornpictures]

You better be jealous.

I saw them every other week.

[hope lost]

Uhh...no. Emo was cool until you ruined it. Right now. You just did it.

haha, ive read alota ur posts dude and u kno it all! (or at least u think u do)
how do u find out all this stuff?

and dont reply all snotty nosed coz ive noticed that as well

[burton.and.gas]

emo has more of a rock feel, blues did help in the invention of rock. But meo was a kidn of punk or hardcore or maybe in even post-punk. but its is now a marketing tool. Blues is dun with a certain level of cynicism and irony present and wit, emo is dead serious. bascially blues is good and emo sucks lol.

[DFelon204409]

haha, ive read alota ur posts dude and u kno it all! (or at least u think u do)
how do u find out all this stuff?

and dont reply all snotty nosed coz ive noticed that as well

Whatever I'm too good for you.

No, uh. You learn. When I don't know something I ask questions and have people answer them. The thing is you need people who know what they're talking about to answer questions instead of random idiots. I didn't know what emo was until like a year and a half ago when I talked to people like Pepino and I had read www.fourfa.com in ninth grade but that wasn't sufficient on its own.

[tornpictures]

Hey look, it's a Fourfa kid!!

[thetwaz]

I've stopped caring about emo/emotional hardcore now.

I wasn't around in the eighites, (Well, not in the sense that I cared about music anyway.) there are no 'Tr00 Em0' bands in my area and really for me the music is just too bloody hard to get hold of without resorting to downloading, (of which I am in the process of weening myself off) or looking through tiny indie shops which seem to be based everywhere but East London.

I wouldn't say it's the new form of blues though.

[DFelon204409]

Hey look, it's a Fourfa kid!!

Hey look! It's a twatnugget. You need to work on your reading comprehension.

[tornpictures]

Ahahaha.

[hypocracy hater]

Pop also comes from the blues.

[hypocracy hater]

Threadstarter: What your say is if i hate one person, I am dissin' the world of people. NO

[poormorris]

you are wrong

[vincethesk8r]

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emo sucks

[BuddyBigsby]

lolz

[tornpictures]

Oh puh-lease.

Dissing emo is so 2003.

[srt-4]

I have heard it's ridiculous from reviews and friends. I missed them because I had mono that sucks so hard oh it stings.

they were right. they put on an AMAZING show. like its the last time they will ever play or something. i'm still blown away.

[opal_rain_52]

ok, blues and emo have to same motive behind them! how can u say one is the best and the other one sux!?!?! i live for emo and love blues

[Jimbo3181]

olo I just HAD to bump this topic!

[Bluesiestman]

um yea...you know, all popular music comes from the blues.

[rockinbass17]

How old is this thread? It's got some of my n00b posts.

[Bluesiestman]

wow, almost a year, i didnt realize

[Baliente]

You really ARE thick as a brick, aren't you?

I knew someone would say that...


The person that said emo was poetic and not straight-forward is wrong. All I hear is things about how they want some girl but can't have them and that kind of thing. I'm sure there are good bands in the emo genre, but all the bands that are popular aren't very good. So I guess I could say I have a problem with all the mainstream emo.

[Son of the Bunt]

to the threadstarter, no no no no no noo noo noo noo noooooo nooooo nooooo it ISN'T.