Oi! Education

[Brain Toad]

Alrighty folks. I have decided to make this thread in order to bring some education into this forum, and to cut back on threads asking what Oi! is. This may come a little be inaccurate, as I'm going off of what I've read on sites and in the forums. So if there is anything that needs correcting, please post about it, and I'll add it to this post.

At the end of the 70s and beginning of 80s, the punk revolution and explosion was turning towards artsy music, such as new wave and art-punk. This did not go over well with the orginal British punks who thought punk should stay on the street and be rare, powerful, fun music. They didn't want anything to do with this artsy crap.

So they started bringing back the old punk, going back to the roots of its true rock and roll sound. Taking influences from early punk bands and early british rock bands, they started their own new genre of music. Oringall this music was called street punk, or reality punk. It wasn't until the 1980s, that Gary Bushell started calling the music Oi! after the Cockney Rejects song "Oi Oi Oi".

Some of the orginal Oi bands were **** Sparrer (Actually formed in the early 70s before the oi! revolution), Angelic Upstarts, Slaughter and the Dogs, Thre Lurkers, and Sham 69. They were follower later on with The Business, Last Resort, 4-Skins, Combat 84, Infa-Riot, Etc. These bands sung about working class, having a good time with your friends, football, drinking beer. It was life music, it was fun music.

This changed when the neo-fascist organisation, national Front exploited the Oi! music fans and skinheads love of their country. They slowly injected their racist bullshit into the scene, giving Oi a bad rep. One of the most famous of these racist oi bands was Skrewdriver, whose first album was considered classic oi, but they ended up going racist because of lead singer Ian Stuart Donaldson's newly found love of racism. The orginal band parted Ian, denouncing his racist tendencies. Many bands after that took it upon themselves to fight racism, and bringing back Oi!'s good name of fun friendly music.

As the 80s went on, the British oi movement lost some momentum, but Oi! had become spread by then, moving throughout Europe, Japan, and North America. In the US Oi! blended well with Hardcore, especially in New York creating bands like Agnostic Front, who blended the working class of Oi with the heavy sounds of Hardcore.

Even to this day Oi! band still appear, trying to return punk music back to its street roots, and getting away from the racism of past oi!. Some of these bands include The Templars, the Wretched Ones, and others. Along with the reissuing of classic Oi! records.

So that's your education, anything else that anyone would like to add, please post. This thread can be kept around for general discussion, but don't spam it up, or it will be closed.

JAtomic adds
Oi is cockney slang for hey.

NYHC, where hardcore got its oi influence due to alot of skinheads getting into hardcore, included such bands as Agnostic Front, Warzone, Murphy's Law, Cro-Mags, Sheer Terror, etc. It, btw, started around the time of 81-82-ish

Oi started in the early 70's not the late 70s and early 80s. Keep in mind the working class influence came from the fact that most Oi of the time was done by skinheads and its sub-groups (i.e. suedeheads, mods, etc. note: Sham 69's singer was a suedehead as was the 4Skins' bassist).

The National Front did not exploit and corrupt the impressionable youth through the music, it was mostly simply through skinheads trying to make them boneheads. their form of oi dint come around til later.

[MILF Hunter]

Good Job

[SickOnTheBusYouCunt]

personally, i feel that oi is dead.

im not a big fan, but the few bands i have heard compare in no way to the classics.

[IFlogMyMolly16]

I saw like 2 or 3 spelling errors. I don't know if you care, I just find dumb stuff like that.

[Brain Toad]

Point em out and I'll go fix them. I wrote it in Notepad, so no spellcheck and such.

[SickOnTheBusYouCunt]

maybe you should add that **** sparrer formed in the early 70s, long before the other bands

[MalcolmXInTheMiddle]

*Watches 8 pages of "Oi! Oi! Oi!" spam pop up.*

[IFlogMyMolly16]

P1: It should be inaccurate, not unaccurate.
P3: Need a "G" in bringing
P7: It says "pst" oi. Maybe you meant post?
Also, it says The Templas, you may have meant The Templars.

[Brain Toad]

maybe you should add that **** sparrer formed in the early 70s, long before the other bands

Added that in parenthesis.

P1: It should be inaccurate, not unaccurate.
P3: Need a "G" in bringing
P7: It says "pst" oi. Maybe you meant post?
Also, it says The Templas, you may have meant The Templars.

Fixed, thanks.

[XemoXmoshXpitX]

Also, Oi! is closely related to the sound of street-punk, but more intelligently thrown together. Personally, I think Oi! sounds very happy.

Toad - it seems as if you got some of your information from urbandictionary. You failed to mention that Oi! also means hello.

[dropkickstreetpunk]

good work buddy.

[Feel The Darkness]

Oi is cockney slang for hey.

NYHC, where hardcore got its oi influence due to alot of skinheads getting into hardcore, included such bands as Agnostic Front, Warzone, Murphy's Law, Cro-Mags, Sheer Terror, etc. It, btw, started around the time of 81-82-ish

Oi started in the early 70's not the late 70s and early 80s. Keep in mind the working class influence came from the fact that most Oi of the time was done by skinheads and its sub-groups (i.e. suedeheads, mods, etc. note: Sham 69's singer was a suedehead as was the 4Skins' bassist).

The National Front did not exploit and corrupt the impressionable youth through the music, it was mostly simply through skinheads trying to make them boneheads. their form of oi dint come around til later.

if anything else comes to mind ill post it...

[AdictAddict]

very good thread. +rep

[amped_guitarist]

I just bought a sham 69 best of and it is quite good... i was also listening to Blitz yesterday.

[BostonBound988]

I love Oi, my favorite punk sub genre. Good job.

[Cyco_Vision]

Very good thread. Props, bro.

[Alley McSqueal]

personally, i feel that oi is dead.

im not a big fan, but the few bands i have heard compare in no way to the classics.

You havent heard many bands. Some newer oi! bands kick arse.

If anyones interested in some newer oi! bands i suggest asking Nick aka Fastfingers, my little skinhead pal. ;)

[Brain Toad]

Whoo I get lots of rep for this thread, and I have educated many and learned a lot myself. :cool:

[i wanna be a crusty]

i do like the templars though.

[AK47]

Oi Oi! Get Drunkified

[lynch_me]

Did you write all that or did you cut and paste it.

[Brain Toad]

Did you write all that or did you cut and paste it.

Wrote it all, rewording a bunch of stuff from various sites.

[BostonBound988]

Wrote it all, rewording a bunch of stuff from various sites.
You've got stars!!

[fastfingers]

You havent heard many bands. Some newer oi! bands kick arse.

If anyones interested in some newer oi! bands i suggest asking Nick aka Fastfingers, my little skinhead pal. ;)
Oh you... :)

[SickOnTheBusYouCunt]

You havent heard many bands. Some newer oi! bands kick arse.

If anyones interested in some newer oi! bands i suggest asking Nick aka Fastfingers, my little skinhead pal. ;)


ive listened to bands people tell me are good, and i feel that none of the newer bands compare to the old classics, so i dont see the point :)

[POINTLESS5448]

hey im listening to agnostic front right now!

[skinhead69]

any real skinhead out there nice job man

[SickBoy]

any real skinhead out there nice job man

come again?

[Feel The Darkness]

I love Oi, my favorite punk sub genre. Good job.
im sorry, but OI is NOT a sub-genre of punk, it came before punk, the culture was around before punk, thus assuring its stance as NOT being a sub-genre of punk...just thought you should know... :thumb:

[SantaDuJuan]

im sorry, but OI is NOT a sub-genre of punk, it came before punk, the culture was around before punk, thus assuring its stance as NOT being a sub-genre of punk...just thought you should know... :thumb:



Finally someone said it
:)

[Brain Toad]

im sorry, but OI is NOT a sub-genre of punk, it came before punk, the culture was around before punk, thus assuring its stance as NOT being a sub-genre of punk...just thought you should know... :thumb:

Truth^

It is associated with the punk scene, and is enjoyed by punks, but offically is not a sub genre.

[Joe]

so then why does every punk band have to use oi?

[SickOnTheBusYouCunt]

why do ska bands say 'hey'?

[Brain Toad]

so then why does every punk band have to use oi?

Shut up moron and leave my thread.

[IFlogMyMolly16]

You should rep me for being a grammar nazi because your 4 stars will give me lots of points.

[BostonBound988]

im sorry, but OI is NOT a sub-genre of punk, it came before punk, the culture was around before punk, thus assuring its stance as NOT being a sub-genre of punk...just thought you should know... :thumb:
My bad, they sound much alike.

[fastfingers]

hey im listening to agnostic front right now!
They're Oi!-influenced hardcore. And they're amazing.

[Brain Toad]

Agnostic Front is pretty much my favourite hardcore band, I love them.

[BostonBound988]

Agnostic Front is pretty much my favourite hardcore band, I love them.
Agreed there.

[Sick_boy_Samhain]

You ignorant kids!
First punk records by Ramones, ****ed, Pistols and Buzzcocks were released in 1976. and early 1977.
First streetpunk record was "I don't wanna" by Sham 69 in middle of 1977., but all this streetpunk really started in 1978. with records by bands like Menace, **** Sparrer, Skrewdriver...

First "official" oi compilation is "Oi! The Album", released in 1980. or 1981. with bands like Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects, 4 Skins, P.T.T.B., The Exploited... These are not punk bands? You fools!
Skinhead subculture started in 1968. but Oi (punk) started in 1978. or 1981. (if you consider Sham 69 and other early streetpunk bands Oi! then it's 1978.) On every fućking oi compilation you'll find liner notes explaining that oi is subgenre of punk rock!

I'm really fed up with kids who are punk rock fans for 3 months and "real" experts in punk! Yeah, right! Enough with this "oi is not subgenre of punk" bull$hit!!! :angry:

The Lurkers - not an Oi band

[Alley McSqueal]

How long have you been into punk, 3 years?

You dont know it all.

[fastfingers]

Agnostic Front is pretty much my favourite hardcore band, I love them.
They're probably my second favourite band (my favourite is BLOOD FOR BLOOD). My band covers United Blood. Are you into Warzone?

[fastfingers]

You ignorant kids!
First punk records by Ramones, ****ed, Pistols and Buzzcocks were released in 1976. and early 1977.
First streetpunk record was "I don't wanna" by Sham 69 in middle of 1977., but all this streetpunk really started in 1978. with records by bands like Menace, **** Sparrer, Skrewdriver...

First "official" oi compilation is "Oi! The Album", released in 1980. or 1981. with bands like Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects, 4 Skins, P.T.T.B., The Exploited... These are not punk bands? You fools!
Skinhead subculture started in 1968. but Oi (punk) started in 1978. or 1981. (if you consider Sham 69 and other early streetpunk bands Oi! then it's 1978.) On every fućking oi compilation you'll find liner notes explaining that oi is subgenre of punk rock!

I'm really fed up with kids who are punk rock fans for 3 months and "real" experts in punk! Yeah, right! Enough with this "oi is not subgenre of punk" bull$hit!!! :angry:

The Lurkers - not an Oi band
You cut yourself.

[EvIL_ToASTER_OVEN]

io sucks lol jj

[Brain Toad]

They're probably my second favourite band (my favourite is BLOOD FOR BLOOD). My band covers United Blood. Are you into Warzone?

Warzone is very good. Only got one album though.

[TheRapeGoesOn]

You ignorant kids!
First punk records by Ramones, ****ed, Pistols and Buzzcocks were released in 1976. and early 1977.
First streetpunk record was "I don't wanna" by Sham 69 in middle of 1977., but all this streetpunk really started in 1978. with records by bands like Menace, **** Sparrer, Skrewdriver...

First "official" oi compilation is "Oi! The Album", released in 1980. or 1981. with bands like Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects, 4 Skins, P.T.T.B., The Exploited... These are not punk bands? You fools!
Skinhead subculture started in 1968. but Oi (punk) started in 1978. or 1981. (if you consider Sham 69 and other early streetpunk bands Oi! then it's 1978.) On every fućking oi compilation you'll find liner notes explaining that oi is subgenre of punk rock!

I'm really fed up with kids who are punk rock fans for 3 months and "real" experts in punk! Yeah, right! Enough with this "oi is not subgenre of punk" bull$hit!!! :angry:

The Lurkers - not an Oi band

explain to me why oi bands and streetpunk sound different?

and how exactly, the 'first' oi band started in thee arly 70s, before punk?

[Brain Toad]

You ignorant kids!
First punk records by Ramones, ****ed, Pistols and Buzzcocks were released in 1976. and early 1977.
First streetpunk record was "I don't wanna" by Sham 69 in middle of 1977., but all this streetpunk really started in 1978. with records by bands like Menace, **** Sparrer, Skrewdriver...

First "official" oi compilation is "Oi! The Album", released in 1980. or 1981. with bands like Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects, 4 Skins, P.T.T.B., The Exploited... These are not punk bands? You fools!
Skinhead subculture started in 1968. but Oi (punk) started in 1978. or 1981. (if you consider Sham 69 and other early streetpunk bands Oi! then it's 1978.) On every fućking oi compilation you'll find liner notes explaining that oi is subgenre of punk rock!

I'm really fed up with kids who are punk rock fans for 3 months and "real" experts in punk! Yeah, right! Enough with this "oi is not subgenre of punk" bull$hit!!! :angry:

The Lurkers - not an Oi band

Street punk and oi are two different genres of music.
The Exploited - Street Punk
C'ock Sparrer - Oi
They sound nothing alike.

It is not a sub-genre of punk because it started before punk, just like proto-punk is not a sub-genre of punk. C'ock Sparrer formed in the early 70s, way before The Pistols and Ramones even released their first albums.

The only validity you have is the tie in between the two genres with shared influences and mixing of sounds of both.

[AIRIC]

explain to me why oi bands and streetpunk sound different?

and how exactly, the 'first' oi band started in thee arly 70s, before punk?


Yeah, if oi is a subculture of punk, how did it start first?

[Feel The Darkness]

Oi is not in any way a form of punk, it is merely amped up rock and roll with songs about drinking, fighting, hanging out, the working class, and other such topics...keep it at that

[Sick_boy_Samhain]

I'm 26, I listen to punk since I was 12, but this will turn in "more punk than you" bull$hit, so I don't it's important.

I've done interview with Steve Whale from Business and he speaks about Business as a punk band.

Check out "Burning Britain: UK punk 1980-1984" book. You'll read inside that Tom Hoxton, founder of 4 Skins talks about 4 Skins as a punk band, and much more evidences about oi as a subgenre of punk.
You "Oi's not subgenre of punk" guys are either deaf or dumb. Choose for yourself.

Oi did not start before punk.
How?
Please, explain that "oi came first" nonsense.

[Feel The Darkness]

I'm 26, I listen to punk since I was 12, but this will turn in "more punk than you" bull$hit, so I don't it's important.

I've done interview with Steve Whale from Business and he speaks about Business as a punk band.

Check out "Burning Britain: UK punk 1980-1984" book. You'll read inside that Tom Hoxton, founder of 4 Skins talks about 4 Skins as a punk band, and much more evidences about oi as a subgenre of punk.
You "Oi's not subgenre of punk" guys are either deaf or dumb. Choose for yourself.

Oi did not start before punk.
How?
Please, explain that "oi came first" nonsense.
the only reason Oi bands occasionally consider themselves as punk is b ecause the skinhead culture is very closely intertwined with the punk scene because alot of punks and skins go to both punk and oi shows.

and as for the whole Oi starting before punk, it generally did, it started in the early 70s (72ish) with CockSParrer and others, which was about 5 years before punk really came to be, and dont give me all that **** about MC5 and The Velevt Underground, cause i dont consider those punk, sure they influenced punk in a way, but it wasnt punk...thus Oi did come around before punk did...

[Chug-a-lug]

Might well be, i think Oi! sucks and most band have got lyrics that could have been written by a 5-year old.
Only Oi band i find interesting is US roughnecks cuz it has a member of the Transplants.

Alo there are alot of fascist Oi bands, such as skrewdriver. Hope you all think they suck.

[Lexluthor]

Have any of you guys heard of a band called 4ft Fingers they did a US tour not two long ago I think... anyway there amazing. You should check them out, there probably among the final few british punk bands not to sell out. Though there new album was sounding a bit to poppy in places... mmm oh well www.4ftfingers.co.uk

[MILF Hunter]

Have any of you guys heard of a band called 4ft Fingers they did a US tour not two long ago I think... anyway there amazing. You should check them out, there probably among the final few british punk bands not to sell out. Though there new album was sounding a bit to poppy in places... mmm oh well www.4ftfingers.co.uk

4ft Fingers are good indeed, and hardly any british bands have 'sold out'

[MILF Hunter]

but they arent oi

[Brain Toad]

Might well be, i think Oi! sucks and most band have got lyrics that could have been written by a 5-year old.
Only Oi band i find interesting is US roughnecks cuz it has a member of the Transplants.

Alo there are alot of fascist Oi bands, such as skrewdriver. Hope you all think they suck.

Their lyrics are supposed to simple, because they are about simple things, beer, footy, music, having a good time. And they are a s'hitload better than any of Tim Armstrong's bands, in my humbled opinion.

Very few fascists bands make it bigger then their own scenese, Only Skrewdriver because it used to be a non fascist band. And I like them, they have great music, their first album was pure oi, and any nazi albums still have the good music, just stupid lyrics, but are actually pretty funny.

[TheRapeGoesOn]

Have any of you guys heard of a band called 4ft Fingers they did a US tour not two long ago I think... anyway there amazing. You should check them out, there probably among the final few british punk bands not to sell out. Though there new album was sounding a bit to poppy in places... mmm oh well www.4ftfingers.co.uk


me thinks you are a bit stupid

all of their albums have been poppy.


and one of the few british bands not to sell out?
please, you cant even back that up.

[Lexluthor]

me thinks you are a bit stupid

all of their albums have been poppy.


and one of the few british bands not to sell out?
please, you cant even back that up.

Ok well the bit about selling out was a load of bollocks just blind promotion basically. But I can sure as hell argue against them being poppy, sure there album covers dont really help there cause but by listening to "At your convenience" you can easily see there more than capable off producing a good punk song.

[TheRapeGoesOn]

pop punk song.

[Lexluthor]

"At your convieniance" is an album

[TheRapeGoesOn]

4ft fingers are pop punk, i own 2 of their albums and have seen them a few times.

[Lexluthor]

Well whatever, I still love them.

[Slash4040]

*braces for flames* I hate punk!

[Brain Toad]

Well whatever, I still love them.

He said they were pop-punk, not crap. Pop-punk doesn't equal crap :cool:

[Alley McSqueal]

I'm 26, I listen to punk since I was 12, but this will turn in "more punk than you" bull$hit, so I don't it's important.

I've done interview with Steve Whale from Business and he speaks about Business as a punk band.

Check out "Burning Britain: UK punk 1980-1984" book. You'll read inside that Tom Hoxton, founder of 4 Skins talks about 4 Skins as a punk band, and much more evidences about oi as a subgenre of punk.
You "Oi's not subgenre of punk" guys are either deaf or dumb. Choose for yourself.

Oi did not start before punk.
How?
Please, explain that "oi came first" nonsense.

Are you sure youre not from Australia and your name isnt Zane?


Hahaha, ive found Zanes twin!

[pedro durruti]

What's a suedehead?

[NakedRaygun872]

What's a suedehead?
Stay away from my baby.

[Brain Toad]

What's a suedehead?

If I remember correctly, a skinhead who has grown their hair and dresses a bit nicer than a skin. But I'm not sure.

[Feel The Darkness]

What's a suedehead?
skinhead with hair a tad longer, about 1 inch of hair if i remember right, around that area, they're alot like mods, just trimmed hair.

[Sick_boy_Samhain]

No, I'm not from Australia, I'm from Croatia

George Marshall in his book "Spirit of 69" talks about Sham 69, Angelic Upstarts, Cockney Rejects...and labels them as "streetpunk", because these bands were/are undeniably punk rock bands, and also they were there before whole Oi! hype produced by Gary Bushell in Sounds. Latter bands, as 4 Skins, Business, Blitz, PTTB, Last Resort; Red Alert, Infa Riot..., are called Oi. But again, this bands were on "punk charts" in UK music press, played on punk tours and festivals, got included in punk compilations... Unlike gothic or psychobilly from that time.
To say Oi is not punk subgenre is as rediculous as "hardcore, skatepunk, power violence, _______ is not subgenre of punk" quote.

And although **** Sparrer were formed few months before Sex Pistols, they were obscure pub rock band, with influences such as Rolling Stones, Small Faces, Slade and Dr. Feelgood. More glam rock than (pre) punk, as you can hear it on their early tracks. Come on, you cannot lump f.e."Sister Suzie" in oi punk, right?

[SickBoy]

*braces for flames* I hate punk!

why you here then?

[4skin]

Oi is cockney slang for hey.

NYHC, where hardcore got its oi influence due to alot of skinheads getting into hardcore, included such bands as Agnostic Front, Warzone, Murphy's Law, Cro-Mags, Sheer Terror, etc. It, btw, started around the time of 81-82-ish

Oi started in the early 70's not the late 70s and early 80s. Keep in mind the working class influence came from the fact that most Oi of the time was done by skinheads and its sub-groups (i.e. suedeheads, mods, etc. note: Sham 69's singer was a suedehead as was the 4Skins' bassist).

The National Front did not exploit and corrupt the impressionable youth through the music, it was mostly simply through skinheads trying to make them boneheads. their form of oi dint come around til later.

if anything else comes to mind ill post it...



you cant realy compare jimmy and tom as the same sort of person. jimmy was a muppet. tom wernt. jimmy cried when the stage got rushed by nazis at shams last stand. dont see tom crying after the 4 skins, last resort and some other band whos name escape me play southall and aparently start a racist riot (complete bull****) but i dont see tom crying despite being called a nazi along with every other skinhead but especialy the 4skins on bbc nationwide. They play a gig to try and prove theyy aint nazis. the stage gets rushed. tom dont cry. jimmy was a mug tom wernt.

sorry about that little rant just thought it was nesecary. Also tom was one of the first punks but later became a skinheady mod (close as i can describe it) but then became a suedehead

[SantaDuJuan]

Not a bad thread to bring back.

[Sparrer77]

skrewdriver originally were a punk band and played with the sex pistols, i have alot of there stuff, I love them, but i try not to listen to the incredibly racsist stuff.
But even tho they were c'ockheads they were still a bloody great band

[Sparrer77]

oh and check out my band, at http://www.mp3.zoob.net/showband.php?band=Mickey%20Flash, Be sure to check all 3 songs we put up coz they are all different, according to other ppl one song sounds like 'the exploited' another sounds like 'dead boys' and the other is just Oi

[username77]

What's a suedehead?

If a skins hair is long enough to modify with a comb, hes a suedehead.
Very nice thread.

[SickBoy]

If a skins hair is long enough to modify with a comb, hes a suedehead.
Very nice thread.

did Morrisey consider himself a suedehead

[fastfingers]

oh and check out my band, at http://www.mp3.zoob.net/showband.php?band=Mickey%20Flash, Be sure to check all 3 songs we put up coz they are all different, according to other ppl one song sounds like 'the exploited' another sounds like 'dead boys' and the other is just Oi
I'm not going to jump to conclusions here or anything, but you look like a white power twirp. If you are, you wouldn't last too long here in Toronto...

...Actually, I take that back. Your testicles are still up in your ribcage. When we see young nazis, we usually give them a couple years to shape up their act before we do anything about it.

[MILF Hunter]

I'm not going to jump to conclusions here or anything, but you look like a white power twirp. If you are, you wouldn't last too long here in Toronto...

...Actually, I take that back. Your testicles are still up in your ribcage. When we see young nazis, we usually give them a couple years to shape up their act before we do anything about it.


Tuff

[OI!Tricky]

There's a lot of mis-information on this thread especially JAtomics posts.
OI! CAME OUT OF PUNK(FACT!),NO PUNK WOULD'VE MEANT NO OI!(FACT!).
As Sick_Boy_Samhain has already posted;-**** Sparrer formed in 1974 or 75 'as a hard edged pub rock band in the vein of Dr.Feelgood'.

[SickBoy]

even most oi bands think there just in a punk band

[AdictAddict]

even most oi bands think there just in a punk band
well, i dont know about that....

[i_am_zombie_jesus]

Awsome job I love Oi! music.

Some of my fav. bands are:
The Business
4-Skins
Blitz
Cockney Rejects
Angelic Upstarts

[Skidmark Steve]

so basically Oi is music about fun, life, and the working class? is there anything else to it?

[pedro durruti]

Yeah, curb-stomping minorities (but that can be included as fun)

[username77]

I love Oi! I don't know a lot of bands, but I love the ones I do.

[DaveToopes]

Yeah, curb-stomping minorities (but that can be included as fun)

Hell's yes it's fun!

[white_riot]

Oi is great but I think we all already know that. Oi bands are punk bands. Punk started before Oi. Who really cares!. Go have a beer and play some football.

[Ghostfire3]

It's kind of hard to say which came first because bands such as The Stooges (who were around in the late 60s) could be considered punk even though many call them "pre-punk" or "proto-punk"

[nobody's hero999]

Oi is cockney slang for hey.

NYHC, where hardcore got its oi influence due to alot of skinheads getting into hardcore, included such bands as Agnostic Front, Warzone, Murphy's Law, Cro-Mags, Sheer Terror, etc. It, btw, started around the time of 81-82-ish

Oi started in the early 70's not the late 70s and early 80s. Keep in mind the working class influence came from the fact that most Oi of the time was done by skinheads and its sub-groups (i.e. suedeheads, mods, etc. note: Sham 69's singer was a suedehead as was the 4Skins' bassist).

The National Front did not exploit and corrupt the impressionable youth through the music, it was mostly simply through skinheads trying to make them boneheads. their form of oi dint come around til later.


if anything else comes to mind ill post it...

Whats a suede head?

[Flagjacket]

Whats a suede head?
Did you not bother to read the whole entire page beofre you? But reading that question amde me spit out more chunks of my pear laughing. And fastfingers, you're from Toronto presumably, get to Lansing for that Nazi rally in April.

[DaveToopes]

I listened to Condemned 84, and despite people thinking they might be racist, it was awesome.

[skatebum]

so whats some top Oi songs to get me into Oi music?

[AdictAddict]

so whats some top Oi songs to get me into Oi music?
listen to c0cksparrer. they got me into oi, and most of their stuff is really good. if you want, i can send you some. :naughty:

[Ghostfire3]

so whats some top Oi songs to get me into Oi music?

I'll list some of my favorites

The Templars - Skins and Punks, Running Out of Time
The Business - Suburban Rebels, Blind Justice
Sham 69 - If the Kids Are United, Hurry Up Harry, Hersham Boys
C'ock Sparrer - England Belongs to Me
The Bruisers - Intimidation, Never Fall, Bloodshed

[Brain Toad]

Cockney Rejects - Oi! Oi! Oi!, this one is essential
On File - The Birds Don't Like the Skinheads, Used to be a Bootboy

[Skidmark Steve]

can someone recommend me a good album by The Business

[Ghostfire3]

can someone recommend me a good album by The Business

The Business are awesome. If you want to just get a feel for them I would download Singalongabusiness because it's a best of.

[Skidmark Steve]

The Business are awesome. If you want to just get a feel for them I would download Singalongabusiness because it's a best of.
thanks man

[Kevinwtf]

It should be noted that the first American Oi band was Iron Cross. They play Crucified [For Your Sins]. Agnostic Front later covered it, and other bands changed it to Christmas Time [For The Skins]

[AIRIC]

up the punx

[Flagjacket]

The title should be "Eh-ju-cayshun fore the nun-wer-king clah-ss"

[AIRIC]

Oi ****in oi boyo

[(r)evolution]

I'm not going to jump to conclusions here or anything, but you look like a white power twirp. If you are, you wouldn't last too long here in Toronto...

...Actually, I take that back. Your testicles are still up in your ribcage. When we see young nazis, we usually give them a couple years to shape up their act before we do anything about it.

theres this gang of nazi skins growing down here in southern T.O. They work around in the alderwood region allittle farther but dont spread over to my area closer to downtown because all the gangsters shoot their cowardly racist hides and rightly so.

[heyimsheep1]

Does Toronto have the huge Chinese population? I was in Canada in a Chinatown and I saw "No Chinks Wanted" tagged on a wall.

[Flagjacket]

Does Toronto have the huge Chinese population? I was in Canada in a Chinatown and I saw "No Chinks Wanted" tagged on a wall.
Yeah, Toronto has a large amount of Asians. I've been there a million times, my family takes trips up there just to eat the good Chinese food they have. But we always go with a group, so if anyone tries **** they'd get beat down.

[Jon]

What do you guys think of the 4 Skins?

Going by the one album I've got, The Good, The Bad and The 4 Skins they have some decent songs (ACAB and Chaos could be great), its just really really let down by the vocals.

Not even in the way Jeff Turner can't sing, but like properly verging on unlistenable.

Shame.

Someone must have covered Chaos, right?

*searches*