The Beatles

[Walrus Gumboot]

John worte "How do you sleep?" as a shot against McCartney
McCarteny wrote "Silly Love Songs" Lennon

Who won?

[DeusExMachina]

John worte "How do you sleep?" as a shot against McCartney
McCarteny wrote "Silly Love Songs" Lennon

Who won?

Eh? What're you asking? Far as I can tell, Silly Love Songs has nothing to do with Lennon. However, if you're talking about who "won" an arbitrary squabble between them, I say it doesn't really matter either way.

[Schyma]

Ninja editing shouldn't be allowed.



*kidding*

[pigonthewing82]

John worte "How do you sleep?" as a shot against McCartney
McCarteny wrote "Silly Love Songs" Lennon

Who won?

Yoko, meh she seems to be the only one who got what they wanted.

[PinkFreud]

It left me with my mouth open...it was so sad. :upset:
absolutely. took me by surprise. especially because i got to like dennis hoppers character.

[DeusExMachina]

It was pretty out of nowhere. I don't quite see the point of having that in the ending. But, I'm too much obsessed with literary merit. **** english classes...

[Seafroggys]

Easy Rider was a great movie. I saw that and Clockwork Orange at the same time...I must say the best song from Easy Rider was Pusher.

Anyway, back to Beatle business.

Even though the subject matter of the Beatles 65 and earlier was rather simplistic, it still was more complex then most other poppy love songs. She Loves You was the first song I believe written in third to second person. There's not too many songs like that.

[JamesPatrickPageZoSo]

I specifically said not musically speaking. All your examples are about musical difference. The Beatles had a magazine they published, were worshipped by little girls, their concerts weren't actually musical events so much as people being like, "omg, leyk, teh beatles lololol!!" much like Backstreet Boys concerts. Don't get me wrong, I love the Beatles, including their early stuff, but I fail to see how people can argue that they weren't essentially a boy band up until around Rubber Soul.


...and thats the very reason they stopped touring. they knew thats how they were looked at and they could never improve live cause they couldnt be heard. thats why they stuck to being geniouses in the studio

[Sgt._Joker]

I specifically said not musically speaking. All your examples are about musical difference. The Beatles had a magazine they published, were worshipped by little girls, their concerts weren't actually musical events so much as people being like, "omg, leyk, teh beatles lololol!!" much like Backstreet Boys concerts. Don't get me wrong, I love the Beatles, including their early stuff, but I fail to see how people can argue that they weren't essentially a boy band up until around Rubber Soul.

I know you love the Beatles and i dont mean to sound like i'm having a go at you but the Beatles were definatly not a boy band, They were the start of the end of boy bands as they were one of the few groups at that time who wrote their own lyrics (rather then have a lyric writer write lyrics for them).
They made their music theirselves.
They did not dance (as such) on stage.
Sure alot of there songs had lyrics about boys and girls and love but so did many bands in that era.

thats all i have to say.

[pigonthewing82]

I know you love the Beatles and i dont mean to sound like i'm having a go at you but the Beatles were definatly not a boy band, They were the start of the end of boy bands as they were one of the few groups at that time who wrote their own lyrics (rather then have a lyric writer write lyrics for them).
They made their music theirselves.
They did not dance (as such) on stage.
Sure alot of there songs had lyrics about boys and girls and love but so did many bands in that era.

thats all i have to say.

I got with an argument with one of my friends at school about that today. Its true in their early days but there is NO boy band that would later put out political music, and if the did they would stop the second the lost popularity because of it, but not the Beatles.

[Seafroggys]

There were plenty of other groups around during the Beatles' early years that were much much more a boy band then they were. The Beatles, except for people like Bob Dylan and stuff, were the least boy-bandish until like 64-65.

[pigonthewing82]

Somthing that pisses me off is that people who don't listen to the Beatles always thing of their fab four days instead of their political rock band days.

[Walrus Gumboot]

Somthing that pisses me off is that people who don't listen to the Beatles always thing of their fab four days instead of their political rock band days.


I know this one girl I used to be friends with who was listening to "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" saying "This **** is so gay, man!"

Don't you love girls who act like 7th grade boys?

Guys who like Beatles > Guys who don't like Beatles.
(I am female, if it matters)

[clown_phobia]

I know this one girl I used to be friends with who was listening to "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" saying "This **** is so gay, man!"

Yeah - a man and a woman, together - that's so gay!

[PinkFreud]

Guys who like Beatles > Guys who don't like Beatles.
(I am female, if it matters)
psh. you want me. its obvious.

[pigonthewing82]

I know this one girl I used to be friends with who was listening to "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" saying "This **** is so gay, man!"

Don't you love girls who act like 7th grade boys?

Guys who like Beatles > Guys who don't like Beatles.
(I am female, if it matters)

Yea man I mean people need to take the Beatles for what they are and in time all of their songs, even the pop ones, will grow on you.

[DeusExMachina]

I love their music. All of it. Although I don't think they really got all that political.

[pigonthewing82]

I love their music. All of it. Although I don't think they really got all that political.

Yea but there political songs have had such an impact on me (and I'm sure others). I mean when John (or any of them) is singing about polotics everything just seems to sort of make sense and is so simple a child could understand it, but so complex that those without a free mind won't understand.

[ultraspamboy]

I think of the Early Beatles as a boy band, but definitely not in the contemporary sense.

Boybandish aspects:
Sang boy-girl songs almost exclusively
Merchandising (magazine etc)
Most fans teenage girls
Enormously Populat

Unboybandish aspects:
Played own instruments
Most songs played were original (at the time most bands did covers almost exclusively)
Drug use (towards the end of Early Beatles period)
Did not use stage theatrics

I definitely think (and believe most people would agree) that they had ceased to be a boy band when they stopped touring. They still maintained some pop elements (esp. Paul's songs) but took on a totally new direction (esp. John's songs).

[Sgt._Joker]

Every band has merchandise, Most bands have sung songs about boys and girls and i think its unfair to class the beatles as a Boy Band because of their fans and their popularity to me they have always been a Rock band.

I dont think the Beatles ever got super politcal, i can only think of a few songs that i'd consider "Political" (Revolution 1 and i guess All you Need is Love, also The Ballard of John and Yoko)

I think one of john lennon's best political songs was "Gimme some truth"

Question: Are there anyother singers that you can think of that make political songs meaniful to you, or have and effect on you?

for me only: Liam Gallagher, Noel Gallagher and John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Roger Dawltry

[Walrus Gumboot]

psh. you want me. its obvious.


ooh, you got me there :lol:

[IbanezBassist19]

let it be is my fav hey jude!

[DeusExMachina]

Tom Gabel of Against Me! writes great political lyrics.

[drumbumman]

white album all the way biotch

[Walrus Gumboot]

I just got HELP! last night. It is so good! I was afraid of it being like "Beatles For Sale" which was a little dissapointing. I love "I Need You"(Harrison's first masterpeice?) and "I've Just Seen A Face"(Bluegrassy :D). I guess now I have the all of their albums

[blue3]

I don't have all the Beatles albums yet

[clown_phobia]

I don't have all the Beatles albums yet

Which ones do you have?

[PinkFreud]

I'd say Nicky Wire and Richey Edwards of The Manic Street Preachers write, or wrote, some really excellent political lyrics, especially on their earlier songs
this is true. manic street preachers are awesome about that. my favorite song by them is ifwhiteamericatoldthetruthforonedayitsworldwouldfa llapart.

[pigonthewing82]

Every band has merchandise, Most bands have sung songs about boys and girls and i think its unfair to class the beatles as a Boy Band because of their fans and their popularity to me they have always been a Rock band.

I dont think the Beatles ever got super politcal, i can only think of a few songs that i'd consider "Political" (Revolution 1 and i guess All you Need is Love, also The Ballard of John and Yoko)

They have much more political songs then that, those are just the songs that are straight up political. I think a lot of their other stuff when interperted, is very political.

I mean there stuff was also political in the sense that a lot of it is about everybody living in peace and how we are all one.

[DeusExMachina]

I don't think so... I just never really think of the Beatles as a political band.

[pigonthewing82]

I guess they wern't, but all and all their lyrics have a lot of themes of peace, and a lot of morals that should be listened to more carfully, and I guess I think of those themes of peace as political because you have to get rid of war to have peace, though I am probally thinking too much into it.

[Jacaranda]

I have a question about some lyrics I have heard rumors that in the song "I Am The Walurs" the eggman refers to Eric Burdon of the Animals and later War because he had some fetish with cracking raw eggs on his sex partener, but I also know John Lennon has been known for writing lyrics just so people will make up crazy ideas about what they mean. Any one know anything about this?

[pigonthewing82]

I have a question about some lyrics I have heard rumors that in the song "I Am The Walurs" the eggman refers to Eric Burdon of the Animals and later War because he had some fetish with cracking raw eggs on his sex partener, but I also know John Lennon has been known for writing lyrics just so people will make up crazy ideas about what they mean. Any one know anything about this?

That may be it, I may be wrong but I also think thats a line from Hamelet, and depending on how you interpet the song it fits.

[DeusExMachina]

I think it's just Lennon trying to confuse people.

[pigonthewing82]

Yea I love I am the Walrus. It has so many meanings, and so many means to different people. What I love about the Beatles lyrics is they seem to be written in a way where the song means somthing different to different people. Most of the Beatles songs have a very deep and personal meaning to me.

[Seafroggys]

Gimme Some Truth has gotta be the greatest 'political' song of all time. Its the second best song on Imagine (next to Imagine, naturally).

[pigonthewing82]

Gimme Some Truth has gotta be the greatest 'political' song of all time. Its the second best song on Imagine (next to Imagine, naturally).

I love Imagine. I have trouble listening to it I mean here you have this guy describing a world that he wanted to create, a world where everything is perfect, and he was murdered. I know the person who shot him was insane, and didn't know what he was doing, and I forgive him for it, but it really does represent how the phrase "those who live by the sword, die by the sword" is not true. Those who fight against the sword die by the sword.

[Sgt._Joker]

I have a question about some lyrics I have heard rumors that in the song "I Am The Walurs" the eggman refers to Eric Burdon of the Animals and later War because he had some fetish with cracking raw eggs on his sex partener, but I also know John Lennon has been known for writing lyrics just so people will make up crazy ideas about what they mean. Any one know anything about this?

i dont think that rumour is true.

the first and posibly secound verse of I am the Walrus is a nursery rhyme jumbled up, i think the nursery rhyme might of been something like:

"Add a drip of yellow matter custard and then throw in a dead dogs eye......"

[pigonthewing82]

I think John was high when he wrote the song, so some if it is not suppose to make sense, they are just words he picked because they were coming out of his head, and he felt the individual would be able to add their own interpetation of it. But some lines like "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together" are just brillent and say so much.

[Jacaranda]

John was truely the greatest song writer of all time...
Anyone know any news about if David Chapman is going to get parole like he wanted? I heard bout this but didnt hear any follow ups.

[clown_phobia]

Gimme Some Truth has gotta be the greatest 'political' song of all time. Its the second best song on Imagine (next to Imagine, naturally).

I really like Oh Yoko!

That's possibly my favourite.

[clown_phobia]

John was truely the greatest song writer of all time...
Anyone know any news about if David Chapman is going to get parole like he wanted? I heard bout this but didnt hear any follow ups.

Nah, he got denied.

[Walrus Gumboot]

I really like Oh Yoko!

That's possibly my favourite.

I love the harmonica solo at the end so much... it is like the breath of life, that good

-Oh My Love reminds me of snow falling

[Distant Echoes]

/revives thread

Heres something i found one georger harrison playing the song 'in my little snapshot album' a while ago. He was at some festival of Banjo/Uke players, were many performed, and Harrison decided to et onstage himself and play his rare song...which he forgot some of the words to while playing.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/dennis.taylor/Page_036_george_harrison_mbe.htm

Just thought it would be interesting. And since this is so rare...the quality is naturally crappy, since some random guy in the audience recorded it with his tape player, but cool nonetheless.

[Walrus Gumboot]

Meh. My computer will not allow it

I was always wondering what a banjo uke was, now I want one :(

[DeusExMachina]

I'll listen to that mp3 when I get a chance. What is George playing on it?

[Walrus Gumboot]

I'll listen to that mp3 when I get a chance. What is George playing on it?

A hybrid ukulele/banjo

[Distant Echoes]

The text on the site explains...but i shouldve said it. It a song called "In My Little SnapShot Album". It not bad, but is hard to make out the solo at the end.

And also...the link doesnt have to be 'save taget as'...you just click it and itll play on RealOne.

[B0nz0]

george played so many instruments...

[xxxRoCkJuNkiExxx]

Does anyone know what all instruments George played? I've tried to name them all but I can never get very far.

That was a cool little link, Echoes.:thumb:

[Walrus Gumboot]

Does anyone know what all instruments George played? I've tried to name them all but I can never get very far.

That was a cool little link, Echoes.:thumb:

1) Guitar, any variation thereof
2) Ukulele
3) Bass
4) Sitar

Fell free to add, this is all I can think of at the moment, I think therer are 40 something

[xxxRoCkJuNkiExxx]

There are 46 or 47, but I can't remember.

5)Mandolin

[clown_phobia]

1) Guitar, any variation thereof
2) Ukulele
3) Bass
4) Sitar

Fell free to add, this is all I can think of at the moment, I think therer are 40 something

Voice is obviously one

[DeusExMachina]

I wouldn't consider voice an instrument.

[Distant Echoes]

I would.

Figure, a voice is used as one all the times, choirs and lyrics obviously...but if you can bang anything and consider it percussion (which it technically is), then voice can be an instrument as well

Also, it can be improved simply by practicing at it, and follows the music scale (in most cases) like instruments do.

Thats just my opinion, but i think voice/vocals easily qualifies as an instrument, just one everybody has their whole lives

and way to save the thread. :thumb: i dont know why it keeps dying

[DeusExMachina]

Yeah, it's sad. It dies a lot. I guess you could argue that voice is an instrument, but you can talk with your voice. It has practical purposes beyond music, which instruments don't. Whatev.

[MalcolmYoungRock]

I've got a cool version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps by this guy who plays Ukelele, I can send it to anyone if you want it. It's really good, I was suprised.

AIM: EmWhyAre

[pigonthewing82]

I would.

Figure, a voice is used as one all the times, choirs and lyrics obviously...but if you can bang anything and consider it percussion (which it technically is), then voice can be an instrument as well

Also, it can be improved simply by practicing at it, and follows the music scale (in most cases) like instruments do.

Thats just my opinion, but i think voice/vocals easily qualifies as an instrument, just one everybody has their whole lives

and way to save the thread. :thumb: i dont know why it keeps dying

I think it could be an instrument, it depends on how you use it. They way its used in the Beatles it defenetly is, but I can't think of any good examples that I wouldn't get flammed for right now, but if your just talking or not showing much talent at all then it isn't an instrument.

[DeusExMachina]

You could argue that vocals as used by the Beegees was an instrument.

[pigonthewing82]

My biggest argument for vocals being used as as an instrument are three words: Simon and Garfunkle

I wish I could spell Garfunkle's name :upset:

[Woodstock]

You could argue that vocals as used by the Beegees was an instrument.
CSN&Y. Voice is most definately an instrument.

[DeusExMachina]

Ok... you guys are right. I retract my statement.

[Distant Echoes]

i know where your coming from with the plausability of vocals being an instrument...but its a good topic.

I think it can be used in every way like any other instrument, but is the only one unique between all people. Not that emo-screamos or metal bands dont use it as an instument, but abuse it as one...much like C tuned guitar and triple coated muffled drums.

[Seafroggys]

I've got a cool version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps by this guy who plays Ukelele, I can send it to anyone if you want it. It's really good, I was suprised.

AIM: EmWhyAre


Paul McCartney? He did it live (200 feet in front of me in fact)

[MalcolmYoungRock]

No, it's not Paul, its Jake Shimabukuro.

Patti Harrison is actually a fan of his.

[magicbus]

Can you guys tell me on which songs Paul and John sing? I think I know a few, but I'd like to recognize their voices better.

Just like 3 or 4 songs each, so I can differentiate between them.

[willis2441]

i have a vintage beatles album and its called "help".is it worth any thing?

[thickasabrick]

i have a vintage beatles album and its called "help".is it worth any thing?

I paid $15 (CAD) for that record in mint condition. It is worth something (everything is worth something), not enough for you to get excited over though. Prices always vary of course.

I would rather keep the album and listen to it, then sell it.

[PinkFreud]

Can you guys tell me on which songs Paul and John sing? I think I know a few, but I'd like to recognize their voices better.

Just like 3 or 4 songs each, so I can differentiate between them.

paul: golden slumbers, let it be, the long and winding road, helter skelter,

john: come together, i am the walrus, in my life, a day in the life (main verses, not the bridge),

[Sgt._Joker]

i always used to think In my Life was sung by paul, havnt listened to it for a while tho.

[Walrus Gumboot]

Can you guys tell me on which songs Paul and John sing? I think I know a few, but I'd like to recognize their voices better.

Just like 3 or 4 songs each, so I can differentiate between them.


John: Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds (More high pitched)

Paul: When I'm 64 (More sonorous)

[B0nz0]

the easiest song to tell the difference is a day in the life. the beginning and end are sung by john, but in the middle there is the "woke up, got out of bed" part. that's paul singing.

[Jacaranda]

I always thought the easiest songs that you could hear the vocal differances were "I am the Walrus" and "Get Back"

[magicbus]

paul: golden slumbers, let it be, the long and winding road, helter skelter,

john: come together, i am the walrus, in my life, a day in the life (main verses, not the bridge),

Ok cool. I wasn't sure about Come Together, so that makes it clear now.

[Woodstock]

Come Together, I think, is the most difficult song to differentiate between their voices.

[DeusExMachina]

Yeah. Come Together could definitely be legitimately sung by Paul.

[pigonthewing82]

Come Together, I think, is the most difficult song to differentiate between their voices.

Yeah he could make his voice sound just like Johns, there is a track he did on Band on the Run that sounds exactly like him. I think he sort of did it as a "I don't need you" shot.

[Sgt._Joker]

has anyone seen the let it be (dvd)?

[clown_phobia]

John: Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds (More high pitched)

Paul: When I'm 64 (More sonorous)

Both those songs were sped up for the record, therefore both songs are higher pitched than originally played.

[GeorgeHarrison]

has anyone seen the let it be (dvd)?

i own it

[eghed]

Beatles True Rcok albumns:

Please Please Me
Help
Hard Days Night
Rubber Soul
Let It be


*apologises if i forgot anything

I don't about Rubber soul that's the most folkie album

[eghed]

i own it

really I wasn't sure if it was out because have never been able to find it. All I have is a crappy tape of a tape, but I love that movie.
Does the DVD have any special bonus features?

[GeorgeHarrison]

I dont think there is a DvD of it, all i have is a bootleg DvD that was originally a VHS.

P.S. my new avatar kicks arse

[Walrus Gumboot]

Both those songs were sped up for the record, therefore both songs are higher pitched than originally played.


hmm, thanks, I didn't know that :strokes chin:

George Harrison is also your your user name, are you implyingthat you get all the babes? You sly devil...

[DeusExMachina]

Your new avatar definitely rocks. I was actually going to mention it regardless of your mentioning it.

[heavy metal kid]

Whats the price for the first edition of "introducing the Beatles" and "the white album" 'cause i'm want to sell them.

NOTE: theyre all semi-new and in optimus condition.

[Woodstock]

Introducing The Beatles would be your best bet for money. The White Album is pretty common.

[heavy metal kid]

That's a little more hepfull ,thanks

[DeusExMachina]

Don't know why on earth you would want to sell though.

[heavy metal kid]

Don't know why on earth you would want to sell though.

I know that the Beatles are the greatest band inthe history, but i'm more into metal and can make happy other people trading their money for music they love. :)

[DeusExMachina]

Heh. Good enough for me.

[Walrus Gumboot]

Whats the price for the first edition of "introducing the Beatles" and "the white album" 'cause i'm want to sell them.

NOTE: theyre all semi-new and in optimus condition.


What's the number on the White Album?

[Woodstock]

What's the number on the White Album?
0000001 :amaze:

[Walrus Gumboot]

0000001 :amaze:

OMWTFBBQ!!@@!!11@2

Mine's 2542546

[Woodstock]

I believe Ringo has the very first copy. Since he still was a little sensitive about the drumming remarks.

[DeusExMachina]

Poor Ringo. I like his drumming.

[Walrus Gumboot]

haha

If I were the Beatles I would get like, 20 #0000001's

[clown_phobia]

I challenge you to find three Beatles songs that mention gender confusion.

[Woodstock]

I challenge you to find three Beatles songs that mention gender confusion.
Polythene Pam is one.

[clown_phobia]

Polythene Pam is one.

Yes :thumb:

now find two more

[Sgt._Joker]

get back is #two

[Woodstock]

get back is #two
Ah!! I should've gotten that!

[Sgt._Joker]

could Ob-La-Di Ob-la-Da be 1 of the songs since the man and woman switch roles in the last verse,
which could be considered a bit of gender confusion.

[Sgt._Joker]

love ur avatar woodstock*

[Woodstock]

could Ob-La-Di Ob-la-Da be 1 of the songs since the man and woman switch roles in the last verse,
which could be considered a bit of gender confusion.
Oh yea, that would work. The man stays at home and puts on makeup. Haha, we've beaten your challenge.

[Walrus Gumboot]

love ur avatar woodstock*

Woodstock's avatar is teh hawt

[Woodstock]

I had this avatar a long time ago. I'm glad I brought it back.

[Walrus Gumboot]

So I heard the song "I've Just Seen A Face", it's quite bluegrassey, it would be fun to cover with a banjo

[Sgt._Joker]

*wishes john was still alive*

[Sgt._Joker]

i really want a banjo, cost sooooo much tho

[Woodstock]

*wishes john was still alive*
Will have been 25 years this December 7th.

[Walrus Gumboot]

i really want a banjo, cost sooooo much tho

My neighbor plays the banjo, my old neighbor plays mandolin, and they all have friends who play guitar, so I end up playing bluegrass bass with a bunch of 40+ year olds, it's fun, seeing as there are no 16 year old banjo players, I take what I can get

[Sgt._Joker]

that is awesome, i might swap my dads steel strung acoustic in for a banjo, i'd keep the steel strung acoustic but its got a massive body and the strings are really high off the neck, hence its a really hard guitar to play,........

can u get banjo tab?

EDIT: to make post relevant to the beatles,

Did the beatles ever use a banjo in any of their songs?

[Walrus Gumboot]

that is awesome, i might swap my dads steel strung acoustic in for a banjo, i'd keep the steel strung acoustic but its got a massive body and the strings are really high off the neck, hence its a really hard guitar to play,........

can u get banjo tab?

EDIT: to make post relevant to the beatles,

Did the beatles ever use a banjo in any of their songs?

I'm sure it's possible, but they aren't common online. Books on bluegrass have them, and it's sort of a play-by-ear thing

[Woodstock]

I'm not sure about a banjo in any Beatles songs.

[Sgt._Joker]

i cant think of any either

[Jacaranda]

I have a thinking questions...
If John Lennon didnt get killed by David Chapman, between the time of 1980-2001 when Harrison died do you think they would have done a reunion?
And another that I find really interesting to talk about...
Do you think John Lennon would "approve" or like Rap music (Please dont just say, rap is gay, dumb, retarded etc.)

Me personaly I think they wouldnt have a reunion they all seemed pretty well off on their own.
And I defently think John would have liked Rap not because of its sound but because of its musical diversity, and I think he would really like the lyrics and the meaning its trying to bring (Not lyrics that are womanizing or about Killing but the ones that are about the hardship of life.)

[blue3]

I just got 3 Beatles CDs today.. Revolver, Rubber Soul and Abbey Road.. all 3 are such great CDs

[Sgt._Joker]

I dont think John Lennon would of liked rap, because of the influence it has on the general public (mainly youths),
and i think the Beatles would of united if john lennon and george was still alive, for some sort of charity concert (probably the tsunami) because people would of paid huge bucks to see them united and hence they would raise ****loads of money.

[Woodstock]

I have a thinking questions...
If John Lennon didnt get killed by David Chapman, between the time of 1980-2001 when Harrison died do you think they would have done a reunion?
And another that I find really interesting to talk about...
Do you think John Lennon would "approve" or like Rap music (Please dont just say, rap is gay, dumb, retarded etc.)

Me personaly I think they wouldnt have a reunion they all seemed pretty well off on their own.
And I defently think John would have liked Rap not because of its sound but because of its musical diversity, and I think he would really like the lyrics and the meaning its trying to bring (Not lyrics that are womanizing or about Killing but the ones that are about the hardship of life.)
Lennon was very picky over his music. He's known for furiously hating jazz, which is one of the most diverse forms of music. So I don't think he would like rap for it's diversity.

[Sgt._Joker]

to blue3
revolver, rubber soul and abbey road are three fantastic albumns, all three albumns show some sort of transformation and change in the sound of the beatles.

[blue3]

I know. I love the CDs, I wish I bought more Beatles CDs a long time ago

[Sgt._Joker]

Lennon was very picky over his music. He's known for furiously hating jazz, which is one of the most diverse forms of music. So I don't think he would like rap for it's diversity.

/agrees.

[Sgt._Joker]

I know. I love the CDs, I wish I bought more Beatles CDs a long time ago

get Please please me, and Magical Mystery Tour next.

Then the white ablumn, Let it be or Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band

[blue3]

Okay.. I have Let it Be and Sgt. Peppers already.. and 1967-1970 CD

[blue3]

I'm listening to Abbey Road right now..

[Jacaranda]

My favorite from taht is Maxwells Silver Hammer :P

[clown_phobia]

I think every song except for one or two gets 5 stars off abbey road.

[blue3]

Did you delete your post or something?

[clown_phobia]

I deleted my post saying you should get abbey road because i didn't realise you had it

[Walrus Gumboot]

get Please please me, and Magical Mystery Tour next.

Then the white ablumn, Let it be or Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band

Every other Beatles album except "Beatles For Sale">Please Please Me

[MetalLord01]

Right now the only Beatles CD ihave is there greatest hist. It is the only CD of mine (well, it and "cream of clappton") that i can listen to in the car with my mum

[DeusExMachina]

I don't think John Lennon would've been outspoken either way about rap.

[Seafroggys]

Lennon would have probably said something along the lines of "If they just 'rapped' about peace, there will be peace."

[Walrus Gumboot]

Neil Young says that rap is just like rock n' roll in spirit, and it will be no matter what name you put on it, it is still raw and edgy. I think Neil and Lennon have similar veiwpoints on alot of things, so maybe he would say something along those lines

you do realise we are posing a seireis of WWLD (what whould lennon do) questions :lol:

[Seafroggys]

^123. But you have to admit, Please Please Me is worthwhile just for Twist and Shout. I absolutly love that song! :lol:

[EightMilesHigh]

Abbey Road is amazing.

Let It Be...Naked was disappointing.

I'm getting Sgt. Pepper's maybe tomorrow.

[coolidgeALL]

that album is awesome.

[GeorgeHarrison]

Abbey Road is amazing.

Let It Be...Naked was disappointing.

I'm getting Sgt. Pepper's maybe tomorrow.

i thought let it be....naked was a good album. I mean, it was alot better than the original Let it be. In my opinion, let it be is very underrated.

[GeorgeHarrison]

i thought let it be....naked was a good album. I mean, it was alot better than the original Let it be. In my opinion, let it be is very underrated.

i agree with this man

[eghed]

Naked was certainly good it improved by making Let it be, The long and winding road, and Across the universe the great songs they were before Phil Spector screwed them all up. But the problem with Naked is that it;s missing what the true Let It Be was supposed to be. They took off Maggie Mae and Dig It two great impromptu kind of songs and this was what Let It Be was supposed to be about. So Let It Be....Naked is good but it could have been done better.

[Walrus Gumboot]

Which is theier best Pre-Rubber Soul Album?
I might be compelled to say "Help!"

[Sgt._Joker]

You'd recommend Please Please Me over The White Album and Sergeant Peppers? Personally I think Please Please Me is a very weak album by their standards, and easily one of their most dispensable, so I'd rateMagical Mystery Tour, The White Album and Sergeant Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band as far better than it, but maybe that's just me.

No, just for the contrast.

[GeorgeHarrison]

Which is theier best Pre-Rubber Soul Album?
I might be compelled to say "Help!"

I think it would have to be "Beatles for sale"

[bcf717]

Hello, just found this site and thought I'd join. So hello to all.
I think I'm a bit older than some posting here and perhaps I can be of some help with a little insight from one who's teenage and band experience was closer to the Beatle's era. I'm not trying to be preachy or step on anyone's toes, so feel free to beat me up if I over-step any bounds. In reading the posts here, I can give a few answers to some some of the topics and questions that have come up over the course of this thread.
To keep it short and simple, I'll post a few times on the subjects so my replies won't turn into a small book. :)

[MalcolmYoungRock]

Hello, just found this site and thought I'd join. So hello to all.
I think I'm a bit older than some posting here and perhaps I can be of some help with a little insight from one who's teenage and band experience was closer to the Beatle's era. I'm not trying to be preachy or step on anyone's toes, so feel free to beat me up if I over-step any bounds. In reading the posts here, I can give a few answers to some some of the topics and questions that have come up over the course of this thread.
To keep it short and simple, I'll post a few times on the subjects so my replies won't turn into a small book. :)

It's okay, we like long replies. If you can give us answers, that's great. Just what we need, another intelligent poster on this forum, we have to less of them.... Welcome anyway.

So, I'm listening to Paul McCartney's Back in the US tour cd.

I KNOW it's not the Beatles, but it's Paul, so it counts.

I'm amazed. I'm not even done with the cd, and I'm amazed.

Paul sounds great, the band sounds great, everything about this CD is good.

[Walrus Gumboot]

It's okay, we like long replies. If you can give us answers, that's great. Just what we need, another intelligent poster on this forum, we have to less of them.... Welcome anyway.

So, I'm listening to Paul McCartney's Back in the US tour cd.

I KNOW it's not the Beatles, but it's Paul, so it counts.

I'm amazed. I'm not even done with the cd, and I'm amazed.

Paul sounds great, the band sounds great, everything about this CD is good.

Is there anything new on it, or is it Beatles/Wings stuff?

[MalcolmYoungRock]

Is there anything new on it, or is it Beatles/Wings stuff?

This CD came out a while ago, like 2002, so it's mainly Beatles and Wings songs.

Na- na- na na nananana nananana hey jude

NP: Obvious ^

Edit: It sounds really good too

[bcf717]

Alright then, I think we all know the song lists were different on the British and American albums up until Sgt. Parlophone/EMI was the original record company in England. Each album had 14 songs. The American company, Capitol, would only release 11 songs per album. The 'leftovers' would later be made into totally unique American albums like 'The Early Beatles,' and 'Yesterday and Today.' Speaking of 'Y and T' -- the famous 'Butcher cover' was partly a protest of the American butchering of their album playlists...... Leave it to us American's to get figure out how to get more bang for our buck, eh?

[Walrus Gumboot]

Alright then, I think we all know the song lists were different on the British and American albums up until Sgt. Parlophone/EMI was the original record company in England. Each album had 14 songs. The American company, Capitol, would only release 11 songs per album. The 'leftovers' would later be made into totally unique American albums like 'The Early Beatles,' and 'Yesterday and Today.' Speaking of 'Y and T' -- the famous 'Butcher cover' was partly a protest of the American butchering of their album playlists...... Leave it to us American's to get figure out how to get more bang for our buck, eh?

Wow, I didn't know that, now I know why all of my albums say [UK] on the computer

Do you know why the vinyl Hey Jude album never made it to CD?

[bcf717]

Sgt Peppers was their first to be issued in America and Great Britain without being cut. It was the first album to have a continuity in storytelling. It was their first victory in having control of the order of the songs in an album, but it was short-lived. The follow-up, Magical Mystery Tour, was released on Parlophone as two 7-inch records. The records were the size of 45's but the speed was played at 33 and 1/3 like EP's. Only the songs from the 'TV Special' like the title song, 'Blue Jay Wray', 'Flying', 'Your Mother Should Know', 'I Am the Walrus' etc, were on it. It even included the picture/story book. When Capitol got it, it was released in the form most of us are familiar with -- a single EP with more songs. The first side were the songs from the original British release, and the second side was filled with the British singles. Many songs like 'Hello Goodbye' were composed and recorded during the same time or before Sgt Pepper. Parlophone often released what we would call '45's' that had 4 songs total -- 2 on each side. It was common for the British market. The Beatles wanted the MMT album in that format for the sake of innovation. The American version limited their album vision to the first side and followed the second side with a mish-mash of singles that had nothing to do with the concept of the album. It was after that they established Apple Records, and the final Beatles' albums were kept consistent in all continents.

[bcf717]

The 'Hey Jude' album was a Beatle authorized 'mish-mash' of released singles and cuts that didn't make the previous albums. These songs, as well as ones appearing in 'Let it Be' and 'Abbey Road' were all composed and recorded virtually around the same time. This was the time of the break-up and the Beatles had enough material to do another 'White Album' but decided to split the material to cover the album number commitments under contract. Even though the Beatles owned Apple, Apple was still committed to EMI/Capital for distribution and the contracts required x amount of albums by a certain date etc, etc, to fulfill obligations. The 'Hey Jude' was an effort to release the material that didn't fit in AR or LIB.
The songs in 'Hey Jude' have been released on CD in compilations such as 'Past Masters' and other multi disc retrospect projects. CD release depends on sales and interest and are still in control of the big companies like EMI. CD release has been hap-hazard at best. The main albums have been re-mastered for CD in the past but I think the HJ was considered a lesser album. Back in 1966, around Christmas time, and but before the release of Sgt Pepper, Parlophone/EMI put out an album called 'The Beatles; A collection of Beatles Oldies.' It was a legitimate Beatles album only released in Britain but contained songs from past albums and some singles that had not appeared on albums. I don't think that has ever been re-released as a CD either. Buck up, now Capital is re-releasing the CD versions of the American albums, complete with butchered playlists and all. Perhaps the HJ album isn't far behind.

[Distant Echoes]

Wow...nice first few post bcf. I didnt know alot of that stuff.

Keep it up :thumb:

[GeorgeHarrison]

So, I'm listening to Paul McCartney's Back in the US tour cd.

I KNOW it's not the Beatles, but it's Paul, so it counts.

I'm amazed. I'm not even done with the cd, and I'm amazed.

Paul sounds great, the band sounds great, everything about this CD is good.

Get the DvD, i own it AND LOVE IT! Ive probably watched it over 50 times. His band is amazing, and even though hes old, he still knows how to rock.

[bcf717]

Ok, one more.... I read a past post here on 'Revolution 9' from the 'White Album.' While I feel it's weirdness ranks a 10, it is no more than I would expect from Lennon pushing the envelope on the cutting edge of the times. He had discovered the fun of backwards recording way back when he put the 'Rain' session tapes in backward while being drunk (so he said). He also later discovered primal scream therapy and later incorporated that into an entire album during his solo career. But, I digress.

Listen to 'Revolution 9' backwards. Back in my band playing days, it was easy as we would use the old reel to reel units. It was simple to record a song and play it backwards at the proper speed back then (early 70's) on tape. It's kinda hard to do it nowadays. Two steps forwards, one step back, I suppose.

Anyhow, let me set the stage. After Sgt Peppers, interest in the Beatles began to wane a little. The 'Penny Lane' single didn't do as well as hoped, and the MMT TV show was laughed at by critics back in their home country. The Beatles were still a strong sale, but even with the release of the 'White Album,' they weren't quite up to the heights they enjoyed with Sgt Pepper. Shortly after the release of the 'White Album' someone anonymously called up a radio station ( I can't remember which one, but it was a big market station perhaps in Chicago?) and left the messageto listen to Rev 9 backwards and was it true that Paul was really dead. ....more...

[DeusExMachina]

Just to let people know, I won't be posting in this forum for about a week. Spring break and all. Cheers.

[bcf717]

Now, I'm sure Lennon had something to do with it, I mean, who else? Most likely, he was exercising his sense of humor and added a few 'death clues' in the tracks for his own enjoyment. Most likely, someone in corporate marketing 'leaked' the information to boost sales. Regardless it was a beautiful hoax. For the three or four backward clues purposely added, fans were 'finding' 100's of death clues (mostly imagined) all over the albums even back to before Sgt Pepper. Pure genius! I take my hat off to that.
Now, the story went Paul was killed in a car, hence the lines from 'A Day in the Life.' If you listen to Rev 9 forwards, you hear a lot of gibberish and quotes from poetry and such. Plus the fading in and out of a Gregorian Chant-like repetition of 'Number Ni-ne.' Backwards, number nine becomes 'Turn me on, deadman.' Listen to the whole thing backwards and you hear; large crowd talking and laughing -- could be a premire or something, large street gathering type of deal. Then street noises and traffic. Then horns beeping -- skids, crash noises, excited crowd, screaming. Then the sound of fire. Someone screaming 'Let me out! Let me out!. More excited noise and traffic. And in and out through the whole thing, that repeat of 'Turn me on, deadman.' Talk about creeping ya out. It'll send the shivers up yer timbers. Sheer genius!!

The only other legit clue planted was on the 'White Album' as well, in between 'I'm so Tired' and 'Blackbird.' As tired fades out you can hear some mumbling before 'Blackbird' starts. Play it backward and you hear 'Paul is a deadman, miss him, miss him, miss him.

The hoax had taken a life of it's own with fans finding the most obscure clues in just about every picture and song lyric imaginable. I'm sure this delighted John to no end. And I wouldn't be surprised if they all just didn't play along for the 'Abbey Road' cover to create that classic 'Jesus followed by the undertaker, followed by the gravedigger, finally followed by barefoot victim Paul walking out of step and wearing the outdated suit.

Well, I must sign off for a while. Thanks for the welcome and I'll try and check back on you guys later. Cherio. :)

[MalcolmYoungRock]

Now, the story went Paul was killed in a car, hence the lines from 'A Day in the Life.' If you listen to Rev 9 forwards, you hear a lot of gibberish and quotes from poetry and such. Plus the fading in and out of a Gregorian Chant-like repetition of 'Number Ni-ne.' Backwards, number nine becomes 'Turn me on, deadman.' Listen to the whole thing backwards and you hear; large crowd talking and laughing -- could be a premire or something, large street gathering type of deal. Then street noises and traffic. Then horns beeping -- skids, crash noises, excited crowd, screaming. Then the sound of fire. Someone screaming 'Let me out! Let me out!. More excited noise and traffic. And in and out through the whole thing, that repeat of 'Turn me on, deadman.' Talk about creeping ya out. It'll send the shivers up yer timbers. Sheer genius!!

Wow. I never knew that. That's kind of cool and creepy. I did the turn me on, deadman thing on my computer.

The hoax had taken a life of it's own with fans finding the most obscure clues in just about every picture and song lyric imaginable. I'm sure this delighted John to no end. And I wouldn't be surprised if they all just didn't play along for the 'Abbey Road' cover to create that classic 'Jesus followed by the undertaker, followed by the gravedigger, finally followed by barefoot victim Paul walking out of step and wearing the outdated suit.


I thought John was the preacher (Father McKenzie, anyone?), Ringo was the pallbearer, Paul was the dead man, and George was the gravedigger (wearing all denim).

There's also one about if you take the Magical Mystery Tour cover and hold it up to a mirror, you can see a phone number where the word BEATLES is. Supposably, if you call it a voice picks up and says "You're getting closer" and abruptly hangs up.


Another "Paul is Dead" hoax, if you listen REALLY closely to the end of Strawberry Fields Forever, you can hear John shout "I BUURRIIIED PAAAUL"

[Sgt._Joker]

..........Plus the fading in and out of a Gregorian Chant-like repetition of 'Number Ni-ne.' Backwards, number nine becomes 'Turn me on, deadman.' ......

The Number Nine chant is just a loop of the sound engineer in the recording studio saying "number nine" (watch the beatles anthology, george martin says that there when explaining Revolution 9 )

is Revolution 1 about Che's revolution in Cuba or is it just a general song about Revolutions?

[Walrus Gumboot]

There's also one about if you take the Magical Mystery Tour cover and hold it up to a mirror, you can see a phone number where the word BEATLES is. Supposably, if you call it a voice picks up and says "You're getting closer" and abruptly hangs up.





I'll bet it says "Hello? Hello? Is this for Suzie? "SUUUUZZZZZIIIIIIEEEEEE!! PHOONNNEEEE!!! Oh? You're not calling for Suzie? Who is this again? I think you have the wrong number..."

[TerryThorne]

is Revolution 1 about Che's revolution in Cuba or is it just a general song about Revolutions?

From what I've heard it was about how protests made by hippies in the 60's were becoming extremely violent, which Lennon was not happy about. Thats why in the song he tells them to count him out because he didn't want to be a part of the violence

[Seafroggys]

Wow. Great info. I knew pretty much everything you said anyway (read a lot of books in middle school on le beatles) but I'm glad to know someone's spending less time on their job and more time on the beatles :lol:

I'm probably one of the older ones here, I'm 18.

[Walrus Gumboot]

16 here

haha Seafroggys is an old man

[EightMilesHigh]

^123. But you have to admit, Please Please Me is worthwhile just for Twist and Shout. I absolutly love that song! :lol:

Yeah, it's just a good fun pop song :)

[TerryThorne]

whats the meaning behind Because

[MalcolmYoungRock]

Catorce here :(

Me and JPJ are the youngest regulars in the CR thread.

[Woodstock]

whats the meaning behind Because
Really isn't a meaning I don't think. But the group shows the greatest layering of vocals on the song. George, Paul, and John sung it once, and layered it twice. So you're really hearing nine voices.

[bcf717]

Hello. I'll try to answer some questions as best I can. Remember, I'm not an expert. I grew up back then -- in 1969 I was 14, the Beatles were breaking up, man landed on the moon, and Nixon had become the president of the US. Over the years, I've acquired quite a bit of trivia information. You wouldn't want to play me in Trivia Pursuit....:)

Revolution 1 on the White Album is the slowed down version of the single titled, Revolution. I don't think it has anything to specifically to Cuba, as if anything, it mentions Mao Tse Tung, the then Communist leader (dictator) of China. I think if you listen to the lyrics, it's more of a protest song about over-use of the concept of revolution. 'You say you want a revolution,.. well--ell you know....' During the late sixties, revolution became the hip cliché. Revolution this and revolution that, but hey, you know, I've got other stuff to worry about. The song was more of a parody of people trying to be cool and spouting hip revolutionary conversation at their country clubs while sipping their cocktails and then going back to work at their offices and becoming one with the status-quo of Capitalism. You'll see a common theme like this in a lot of Lennon's work. Lennon was non-violent, but advocated social change. He prefered not just lip service, but actually working to achieve the goal.

[bcf717]

Back to the 'death clues' -- On Abbey Road, John, leading to procession with his long hair and wearing all white was seen more as a 'Godly' figure. Ringo could be argued as either a preacher or an undertaker. John maintained in interviews that 'I buried Paul' simply meant he thought his guitar was too loud during that take and he had buried the notes Paul was playing. That take was included in the final, and with all the speed ups and slow downs of backwards music and effects that went into the closing tracks of Strawberry Fields, the phrase took on a dark, sinister meaning. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one as I think it was a little early for John to be playing around with clues then.

( Strawberry Fields was performed in the studio at a faster pace. The entire song was slowed down to give the vocals an eerie, other-worldly effect. Back then recording studios didn't have the computers or tech we are used to having now. A lot of the effects were home-made and quite crude by our standards now. A lot was recorded off a radio tuned to the BBC during broadcasts of Shakespearian plays -- most notably a performance of MacBeth that they included as Walrus wound down to the fade. A good example that I read, told of John telling a studio tech that for a song he wanted his voice to sound like one of those old crooners from the 1920's who used a megaphone. The tech took a piece of paper, rolled it into the shape of a megaphone and said, 'There ya go.' I am still amazed at the effects they pulled off back then, knowing the limitations of studios during the sixties.)

[bcf717]

I think the death clues became a case of people wanting to find them everywhere and also catching a brief glint of fame in being the one who found another clue. They were finding them in albums as early as Rubber Soul. Oooh -- Rubber Soul means 'fake soul.' See, Paul's soul is fake so he must be dead. 'I'm Looking Through You' -- I'm looking through Paul, he must be a ghost!
Back in college, I did a thesis to graduate for my Political Science BA on the use of subliminal messaging and it's uses for governmental and merchandising population control. I used the death clue issue as a point example. Basically if people want something to be true, they will go to extremes to find the proof that confirms they were correct -- even if the proof has to be stretched and manipulated.

People found a lot of clues. I think most were coincidence. Most were stretched to the ridiculous...

[bcf717]

The Sgt Pepper cover -- lots on that. The early Beatle wax figures looking at a grave. The flowers in the shape of a guitar spelling out 'Paul.' The hand over Paul's head (palm showing means death in some eastern countries). If you take a mirror edge and place it in the middle of the word 'HEARTS' on the drum so it reflects the top of the letters onto the mirror, it reads; HE^DIE. The diamond created by the A points to Paul. All this stuff was mondo cool, but I still think it goes to, 'if you look for something long enough you'll find it whether it's there or not. The cover was an elaborate statement meant to symbolize the group's new transcendence of music, leaving behind and burying their old image and musical stylings. Plus, it was really cool to look at when you were high.
Inside the album on the close-up picture of the four, Paul is wearing a arm patch reading 'OPD.' Some say it stood for 'Officially Pronounced Dead.' Paul said he got it from the Ontario Police Department.
On the back cover there is a pic in the lower right corner. All four were about the about the same height. Yet Paul is taller than the rest, AND, he has his back to us. Surely that's a clue. As a pro photographer I can't think of anything more visually boring as four people standing side by side who are all the same height. Often when faced with that, I'll stand somebody on a box just to break up the lines of the design of the picture. I'll even have them face different directions to add more interest. That's exactly what was said by the photographer who shot the back pic as well as the covers -- 'How many pics could you have of them just standing and looking at you? I wanted to create a design so I put one, who happened to be Paul, on a box. We were doing different poses during the shoot and Paul turned around and that's the one we all liked.'

[TheSeeker625]

At the end of Strawberry Fields Forever, Lennon yells out "Cranberry sauce!" Many people mistook it for "I buried Paul!"

[bcf717]

I still think the only 'real' clues were on the White Album. It's still really fun to look at all the others people have found. Write in about any others you guys have heard about.

[bcf717]

Yes, John has owned up to both versions, sauce and buried, during various interviews. He loved to keep us guessing.

[clown_phobia]

Another "Paul is Dead" hoax, if you listen REALLY closely to the end of Strawberry Fields Forever, you can hear John shout "I BUURRIIIED PAAAUL"

It actually says "cranberry sauce" :thumb:

[Walrus Gumboot]

Really isn't a meaning I don't think. But the group shows the greatest layering of vocals on the song. George, Paul, and John sung it once, and layered it twice. So you're really hearing nine voices.

That's amazing I will have to listen to it now

*listens*

Holy crap.

[slowhand]

That's amazing I will have to listen to it now

*listens*

Holy crap.

I've always said that Abbey Road contains the best vocal work by the Beatles. Because is a shining example of this.

[clown_phobia]

Abbey road may be their best album instrumentally. It is one of their best IMO

[eghed]

Back to the 'death clues' -- On Abbey Road, John, leading to procession with his long hair and wearing all white was seen more as a 'Godly' figure. Ringo could be argued as either a preacher or an undertaker. John maintained in interviews that 'I buried Paul' simply meant he thought his guitar was too loud during that take and he had buried the notes Paul was playing. That take was included in the final, and with all the speed ups and slow downs of backwards music and effects that went into the closing tracks of Strawberry Fields, the phrase took on a dark, sinister meaning. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one as I think it was a little early for John to be playing around with clues then.

( Strawberry Fields was performed in the studio at a faster pace. The entire song was slowed down to give the vocals an eerie, other-worldly effect. Back then recording studios didn't have the computers or tech we are used to having now. A lot of the effects were home-made and quite crude by our standards now. A lot was recorded off a radio tuned to the BBC during broadcasts of Shakespearian plays -- most notably a performance of MacBeth that they included as Walrus wound down to the fade. A good example that I read, told of John telling a studio tech that for a song he wanted his voice to sound like one of those old crooners from the 1920's who used a megaphone. The tech took a piece of paper, rolled it into the shape of a megaphone and said, 'There ya go.' I am still amazed at the effects they pulled off back then, knowing the limitations of studios during the sixties.)

The only problem with the funeral theory for the Abbey Road cover is that in some of the other shots taken for the cover he did have his shoes on. Actually the way Strawberry Feilds was put together is that there was a
slower version and a faster and more intense version with horns and such. John liked both of them and wondered if there was anyway they could put the together. The problem of this was that they were in different keys and different tempos, so they slightly speeded up the slower one and slowed down the fast one and somehow were able to join them together. This change happens exactly 60 seconds into the song on one of the "Let me take you down" lines. Once you know where it is it's quite noticeable. And what John says at the end of Strawberry Feilds is in fact not "I buried Paul" but "Cranberry Sauce." Why he says this no one knows but it is very clearly heard on the Anthology version. Also the Shakespeare play heard in the background of I am the Wlarus is King Lear not Macbeth.

[eghed]

Oh sorry I geuss some people already commented on the Cranberry Sauce thing :confused:

[Walrus Gumboot]

I think it was King Lear in I am the Walrus, not Macbeth


/fangirl

[bcf717]

Thanks for correcting me. I knew fields was put together with several version overlap to give it the surreal feel. I knew Shakes was in Walrus but I had a 'senior moment' on which play was broadcast. In early interviews, Lennon eluded to the 'burying of Paul' as one guitar being louder than the other as an explanation. In interviews much later he quoted the 'sauce.' CDs are wonderful in their clarity. Back when I was a kid we only had the vinyls and the hiss they made at high volume in an effort hear those background noises. Even a transfer to tape was from off the record so that wasn't much help. It was no wonder the imagination could run wild back then. :)

[clown_phobia]

vynil was pretty cool IMO

[bcf717]

Yea, I'm showing my age. Still have all the UK vinyls and Capitol vinyls up to Sgt Pepper after which it became Apple. I have 5 Sgt Peppers -- Capitol black label, Capitol Green label, Parlophone label and Apple label plus a picture disk. Have German and Swedish pressings from the Please, Please me era and the first 'Introducing the Beatles' LP on VeeJay records. Parlophone Magical Mystery Tour on the small 45 size as well as many 4 song Parlophone singles (45 size 2 songs each side). Solo career vinyl as well. Had I only known back then that I wasn't supposed to play them........ collect-ability you know... :) Se la Vie.

[Walrus Gumboot]

Yea, I'm showing my age. Still have all the UK vinyls and Capitol vinyls up to Sgt Pepper after which it became Apple. I have 5 Sgt Peppers -- Capitol black label, Capitol Green label, Parlophone label and Apple label plus a picture disk. Have German and Swedish pressings from the Please, Please me era and the first 'Introducing the Beatles' LP on VeeJay records. Parlophone Magical Mystery Tour on the small 45 size as well as many 4 song Parlophone singles (45 size 2 songs each side). Solo career vinyl as well. Had I only known back then that I wasn't supposed to play them........ collect-ability you know... :) Se la Vie.

I just inherited a bunch, I love the MMT picture book

[clown_phobia]

I have just found out about the fantastic Past Masters albums. Finally, all those long lost beatles singles, on two CDs!

[bcf717]

Check the web at Amazon or a site like that. There is a large catalogue of re-issued albums and compilations that are available now. Past Masters is a great retrospective.

[Sgt._Joker]

just out of intrest, does any one who likes the beates here like oasis?

[blue3]

Not me

[Walrus Gumboot]

just out of intrest, does any one who likes the beates here like oasis?

I have a friend who really likes them and the Beatles, but I haven't heard enough to make a judgement

[slowhand]

Support A Beatle: Vote for Harrison in the recent Greatest Guitarist Poll.

[blue3]

That poll was hard. But I voted George Harrison

[Walrus Gumboot]

Hahah I did, I am starting a campaign

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[blue3]

He's in 2nd place right now

[Walrus Gumboot]

Alright

Who's this Randy Rhoads chap?

[slowhand]

Alright

Who's this Randy Rhoads chap?

He played guitar in Ozzy's band. He died young, so he burnt-out, making him even more famous and a legend. The same thing that happened to Hendrix.

[Walrus Gumboot]

He played guitar in Ozzy's band. He died young, so he burnt-out, making him even more famous and a legend. The same thing that happened to Hendrix.

Often dying is the best thing one can do for their career

[pdizzle]

My favorite Beatles song is Let it Be...

[pigonthewing82]

Often dying is the best thing one can do for their career

This is true somtimes but both Hendrix and Rhoads were in the process of redefining their sound, Rhoads was going for a more classical rock sound and Hendrix was going for more of a funk/psychidellic sound. I have a feeling they would have become a lot more well known for their new ideas in music had they lived.

[Distant Echoes]

its areguable hendrix wouldve been more or less famous if he had stuck around. Didnt he only have about 3 original albums until he died? Its hard to say how their popularity evolved, whether from conceptions of whther they may have had a good future, or glorisized for the amount of time they were here. Hendrix was very sloppy...may not have suited well for the latter 70s, but who knows.

But to stay on topic, I borrowed Disc 2 of The White Album today, but its all messed up and some tracks are seperated at random parts...plus a buzzing noise in the backround. I dont know how those idiots do that and not notice...but I really want to buy it, dispite the fact it cost almost $35

[Sgt._Joker]

Often dying is the best thing one can do for their career

not for them,

[DonMancini]

AH GOT BLISTERS ON ME FINGERS

Long live Helter Skelter

[Walrus Gumboot]

w0rd ^

[Sgt._Joker]

What are some of you fav. quotes from song lyrics from beatles songs.?

Mine

Goo Goo G'Joob

[slash89]

People will never forget the legendary Beatles...

[Sgt._Joker]

not for a long time anyway

[pigonthewing82]

People will never forget the legendary Beatles...

Eh you would be supprised how many people don't know them. All they know was the Beatles were a pop band that they talk about on the Simpsons somtimes. Whitch is just as bad as not knowing.

[pigonthewing82]

What are some of you fav. quotes from song lyrics from beatles songs.?

Mine

Goo Goo G'Joob

But nobody wants to know him, the can see that he's just a fool as he never gives an answear

Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see

Well heres another place you can go, where everything flows, looking through the bent back tulips, to see how the other half live, Looking though a glass onion

Joo Joo was a man who thought he was a loner, but he knew it couldn't last, Joo Joo left his town in Tusian Arizona for some California Grass

Christ you know it ain't easy, you know how hard it can be, the way things are going there gonna crucify me

You say you'll change the Constitution, well you know, we all want to change your head, you tell me that its the institution, well you know, you better free your mind instead

My mother was of the sky, my father was of the earth, but I am of the universe, and you know what its worth

I know its mostly latter days stuff, but I'll think of more later.

[JamesPatrickPageZoSo]

Yes I'm Lonely...wanna Die...if I Aint Dead Already, Girl You Know The Reason Why

[Walrus Gumboot]

Picture yourself on a boat in a river with tangerine trees and marmalade skies


EDIT: I think George will make it

[magicbus]

I voted George! Lately, I've really be diggin Hey Jude. And Abbey Road.

[pigonthewing82]

I heard a story today, I'm not sure if it is, but if it is then its really funny. I heard that Nixon tried to kick John Lennon out of the country, but he couldn't. After he resigned he wanted to move into the condo complex Lennon lived in (I can't spell Dakoda) but they wouldn't let him because Lennon was living there. So the Nixon didn't have enough power to throw Lennon out of the country, but just Lennon living some where was enough to keep Nixon out :lol:

[Walrus Gumboot]

I heard a story today, I'm not sure if it is, but if it is then its really funny. I heard that Nixon tried to kick John Lennon out of the country, but he couldn't. After he resigned he wanted to move into the condo complex Lennon lived in (I can't spell Dakoda) but they wouldn't let him because Lennon was living there. So the Nixon didn't have enough power to throw Lennon out of the country, but just Lennon living some where was enough to keep Nixon out :lol:
:lol:
It must be a seriously posh apartment complex

[eghed]

AH GOT BLISTERS ON ME FINGERS

Long live Helter Skelter

Does anybody know who says that
I always thought it was John, but I read a book that said it was Ringo :confused:

[Badmoon]

I heard a story today, I'm not sure if it is, but if it is then its really funny. I heard that Nixon tried to kick John Lennon out of the country, but he couldn't. After he resigned he wanted to move into the condo complex Lennon lived in (I can't spell Dakoda) but they wouldn't let him because Lennon was living there. So the Nixon didn't have enough power to throw Lennon out of the country, but just Lennon living some where was enough to keep Nixon out :lol:

He also labeled Timothy Leary as "The Most Dangerous Man In America". All he did was spread the word of Psychedelics :p

:)

[eghed]

What are some of you fav. quotes from song lyrics from beatles songs.?

Mine

Goo Goo G'Joob

Living is easy with eyes closed misunderstanding all you see

Turn off your mind relax and float down stream (as well as basically the rest of the lyrics from tomorrow never knows)

Everybody seems to think I'm lazy I don't mind, I think they're crazy
Running everywhere at such a speed Till they find there's no need

All the lyrics in Within Without you

t doesn't really matter what chords I play What words I say or time of day it is cause it's only a Northern song

All you need is love

The farther one travels the less one knows (and the rest from the inner light)

Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup, they slither while they pass, they slip away across the universe (and the rest of the lyrics from acroos the universe)
this is all I can think of right now

[pigonthewing82]

He also labeled Timothy Leary as "The Most Dangerous Man In America". All he did was spread the word of Psychedelics :p

:)

Yeah when Abby Hoffman was making an appearnce at the white house she tried, but failed to tab Nixons coffee with LSD before he had a press conference. Come on that would be the best thing EVER. Nation wide footage of a trippin Nixon.

[slowhand]

Does anybody know who says that
I always thought it was John, but I read a book that said it was Ringo :confused:

It was Ringo after they played Helter Skelter for half and hour (the song originally lasted around 29 minutes).

I've always wandered what happened to that version... They should release it.

[eghed]

It was Ringo after they played Helter Skelter for half and hour (the song originally lasted around 29 minutes).

I've always wandered what happened to that version... They should release it.


Part of it is in Anthology but not the entire thing

[slowhand]

Part of it is in Anthology but not the entire thing

But Anthology only has the acoustic version, right?

Anyways, what do you guys think is the best track on the Anthology set? I have to say the best track there is the acoustic version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps. It's a very well sung, and very well played by Harrison. It gave me a whole new point of view on my favourite song.

[pigonthewing82]

It was Ringo after they played Helter Skelter for half and hour (the song originally lasted around 29 minutes).

I've always wandered what happened to that version... They should release it.

:amaze: I would do ANYTHING and I'm mean anything to any use you can imagine, to hear that.

[slowhand]

:amaze: I would do ANYTHING and I'm mean anything to any use you can imagine, to hear that.

It would be totally awesome... The longest Beatle track ever. And I think George played rhythm guitar, and not lead. It was John who played lead.

And do you guys know why Paul wrote Helter Skelter?

[Badmoon]

Yeah when Abby Hofman was making an appearnce at the white house she tried, but failed to tab Nixons coffee with LSD before he had a press conference. Come on that would be the best thing EVER. Nation wide footage of a trippin Nixon.

:lol: Good story.

Abby Hoffman? Do you mean Albert Hoffman? Or does he have a female twin :p

:)

[eghed]

It would be totally awesome... The longest Beatle track ever. And I think George played rhythm guitar, and not lead. It was John who played lead.

And do you guys know why Paul wrote Helter Skelter?

That's cool, I think in the one on the album John plays bass, or at least that's what it says in the books.

[slowhand]

That's cool, I think in the one on the album John plays bass, or at least that's what it says in the books.

Yea? Hmm.. I really don't remember the lineup for that song. I only know it was a weird one.

[pigonthewing82]

:lol: Good story.

Abby Hoffman? Do you mean Albert Hoffman? Or does he have a female twin :p

:)

It might, I don't know the person who told it to me said Abby, but you probally know more about it.

[eghed]

But Anthology only has the acoustic version, right?

Anyways, what do you guys think is the best track on the Anthology set? I have to say the best track there is the acoustic version of While My Guitar Gently Weeps. It's a very well sung, and very well played by Harrison. It gave me a whole new point of view on my favourite song.

Yes I think they could have released both of them, I recently learned how to play the acoustic one on guitar. It's very beautiful

[eghed]

Yea? Hmm.. I really don't remember the lineup for that song. I only know it was a weird one.

Yeah I think it's cool when they change around who's palying what. like on Good Morning Good Morning wher Paul plays lead guitar

[Badmoon]

It might, I don't know the person who told it to me said Abby, but you probally know more about it.

I think it's Albert.

Albert Hofmann was the Switz chemist who discovered LSD on accident; I'm guessing it's him.

[Seafroggys]

Yeah I would kill to get that copy of Helter Skelter. That explains the fade in and out toward the end.

I'm pretty sure John played bass, not sure who played lead and/or rhythm.

[slowhand]

Well, to tell you of how Helter Skelter came to be... Paul once read an interview of the Who where they were saying that they had made the loudest album ever. So, Paul wanted then to have a very loud song, and so he wrote Helter Skelter.

And I suppose everyone knows that Sexy Sadie was originally called "Maharishi," because of Lennon's dissapointment on the so-called Beatles' spiritual teacher, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Well, originally, the song had this lines:

"You little teat
Who the **** you think you are?
Who the **** you think you are?
Oh, you cunt."


--Edit: And the exact time on the original Helter Skelter was 27 minutes and 11 seconds, making it the longest Beatles track ever recorded. And it was a live jam, with long instrumental passage (so basically, each Beatle had a solo on that track). They played with the echo live, instead of adding it later. And on that version, the song went into a bizarre version of Blue Moon.

[pigonthewing82]

Another thing about Helter Skelter, Helter Skelter is a ride in an amustment park in England.

Also did John write the lyrics, I always thought he did?

[slowhand]

Another thing about Helter Skelter, Helter Skelter is a ride in an amustment park in England.

Also did John write the lyrics, I always thought he did?

No, it was a McCartney song.

[pigonthewing82]

No, it was a McCartney song.

Huh interesting. Well I guess you learn somthing new every day.

[slowhand]

Oh, and when John played bass, it was on September 9, when they did a remake of Helter Skelter. So the one with the jam, I suppose that it meant that everyone was playing their role on that song.

On that Sept. 9 session, John also played sexophone (which he didn't have any experience with, so it was ... well, bad), Mal Evans played an equally amateurish trumpet, there were two lead guitars (guess who), built in destortion and feedback. And while Paul was singing his lead vocals, George was running around the studio with a flamming ashtray held above his head.

Oh, and did I tell you guys that the name 'Sexy Sadie' was suggested by George when John showed him the song before they left India. George told him to change it to that to avoid any legal affairs that might cause.

[pigonthewing82]

So is there like any remote way I could get this recording because it gets better and better every time you mention it.

[slowhand]

Well, the Sept. 9 version is the one everyone knows. That's the one they used on the album (minus the sax and the trumpets).

The other one, which was recorded on July 18, and had three different takes (one of 10 mins, the other of 12, and then the infamous 27'35'' version), and has never been released. So if you ever get the chance to go to Abbey Road and have a look on their recording library, check to see if they have it. Maybe one of the Beatles took it (if John did, that means that Yoko has it now... if George did, Olivia has it).

[pigonthewing82]

Well, the Sept. 9 version is the one everyone knows. That's the one they used on the album (minus the sax and the trumpets).

The other one, which was recorded on July 18, and had three different takes (one of 10 mins, the other of 12, and then the infamous 27'35'' version), and has never been released. So if you ever get the chance to go to Abbey Road and have a look on their recording library, check to see if they have it. Maybe one of the Beatles took it (if John did, that means that Yoko has it now... if George did, Olivia has it).

Oh man well hopfully its still at Abbey Road.

Man I thought I was cool when I extened the song to 10 min :upset:

[Walrus Gumboot]

They will probably come out with it before all of the baby boomers are dead... give it a few years

I never knew John played bass for any of the tracks, do you know any more?

[ultraspamboy]

I'd like to hear the 27 1/2 minute version just to see if it works.

[Seafroggys]

I never knew John played bass for any of the tracks, do you know any more?

He plays bass ALOT on Let it Be. Just watch the movie, whenever Paul's on piano, there he is on bass.

Of course not many people have seen it, but luckily I have a copy (a bit bad quality) of it.

[Walrus Gumboot]

He plays bass ALOT on Let it Be. Just watch the movie, whenever Paul's on piano, there he is on bass.

Of course not many people have seen it, but luckily I have a copy (a bit bad quality) of it.

Wow, I'll have to look for it now, I think its the only one I haven't seen

[slowhand]

Wow, I'll have to look for it now, I think its the only one I haven't seen

On the song Let it Be he plays bass, as well as in the Long and Winding Road.

George plays bass on the live version of Hey Jude or at least when they were shooting the promo. The 'bass' is actually a guitar that comes tune an octave lower. Jack Bruce of Cream used one like that in the beginnings of Cream and when he was on the Graham Bond band, saying that because they didn't have a guitarist on the band before Cream, he could do some guitar stuff with it.

[eghed]

On the song Let it Be he plays bass, as well as in the Long and Winding Road.

George plays bass on the live version of Hey Jude or at least when they were shooting the promo. The 'bass' is actually a guitar that comes tune an octave lower. Jack Bruce of Cream used one like that in the beginnings of Cream and when he was on the Graham Bond band, saying that because they didn't have a guitarist on the band before Cream, he could do some guitar stuff with it.


Yeah George also plays "bass" on Two of us

[bcf717]

A lot of people only think of the Beatles in terms of 'one man, one instument.' It was always amazing that John , Paul and George were so interchangeable in switching from guitar, piano and bass. Granted, their individual talents were always more evident on their particular instrument, but their versatility in all instruments is what gave the band their recognizable style and longevity.

[Murder Sheep]

Sad... no love for The Beatles thread. I have a question for everyone: what is up with Revoluion 9? Like, what is it? I've hear rumors that it says "turn me on dead man" backwards, but its more likely than not one of those coincidence things, seeing as I don't see how anyone could purposely put a backwards message in a song. Anyone know of any meaning to the song, or is it just random crap?

Lots of bands purposely do it. The beatles have one at the end of I'm so tired.

[Walrus Gumboot]

I can't beleive that nobody really cares about the only bona fide backwards message that is in "Rain"

It doens't say anything about Paul being dead, it is just some of the lyrics reversed

[magicbus]

In my history class we were talking about a European arms treaty, and my teacher started the lecture with "20 years ago today, Gorbachev taught the band to play". Nobody got the reference but me :D

/copied from the community thread

[GeorgeHarrison]

In my history class we were talking about a European arms treaty, and my teacher started the lecture with "20 years ago today, Gorbachev taught the band to play". Nobody got the reference but me :D

/copied from the community thread

sounds like a cool teacher

[eghed]

Hey does anyone know who plays the guitar solo in Taxman I have always it was Paul and that's what it has said in some other things I've seen but I was reading a book that about all their recording sessions and they usually say when the lineup of who plays what changed but they didn't say anything. But I also saw on this thing from a site that says George played the Lead guitar but Paul played the Guitar solo and bass. :confused: