The Beatles

[DeusExMachina]

Hmm.. ****. Oh well. Anyone else have it?

[Walrus Gumboot]

Deus, I have Morrison Hotel and The 1985 Greatest Hits if you want The Doors- IM>cowspots6666

I think their Let It Be era hair was the best :D

And as far as the timeless "best solo career" argument goes, I think:

John: had some **** good stuff and loads and loads of crap
Paul:Good, nice sound, but none of it ever got to me like george/john's stuff
George: all I have is All Things Must Pass which is excellent, I can't say I know much about his solo career, but I like what I know
Ringo: heh heh. I think my parent's saw his all-star band in '94 or so

[Broken Arrow]

Deus, I have Morrison Hotel and The 1985 Greatest Hits if you want The Doors- IM>cowspots6666

I think their Let It Be era hair was the best :D

And as far as the timeless "best solo career" argument goes, I think:

John: had some **** good stuff and loads and loads of crap
Paul:Good, nice sound, but none of it ever got to me like george/john's stuff
George: all I have is All Things Must Pass which is excellent, I can't say I know much about his solo career, but I like what I know
Ringo: heh heh. I think my parent's saw his all-star band in '94 or so
Since when were the Doors a factor in thjis trade. :confused:

/loves the Doors and has all six albums

[TerryThorne]

Im somewhat new to the beatle's and I've been wondering, what album is Hey Jude on? or was it released solely as a single. And where do you get the fast Revolution 1?

[TerryThorne]

Im somewhat new to the beatle's and I've been wondering, what album is Hey Jude on? or was it released solely as a single. And where do you get the fast Revolution 1?

[Johnny B. Good]

Hey Jude is a single but it's on 1

[Woodstock]

Im somewhat new to the beatle's and I've been wondering, what album is Hey Jude on? or was it released solely as a single. And where do you get the fast Revolution 1?
Hey Jude was released as a double single(oxymoron) with the fast Revolution.

[TerryThorne]

Do they still sell the single?

[Woodstock]

You might be able to find it at an old record store. I've seen it before.

[DeusExMachina]

Were they ever released on CD? The fast version of Revolution 1 and Hey Jude, (excluding One) that is.

[Woodstock]

It's on the Blue album, the greatest hits 68-70 I believe.

[DeusExMachina]

Dag. Thanks.

[Sgt._Joker]

u can get them both on the Beatles 1967-1970 + more fantastic songs from that period and alot of George Harrison songs, it was my 2nd cd by the beatles and completely got me hooked

[.:HIM:.]

I like Yellow Submarine the best personally

[led zeppelin139]

man the beattles rock, they have real tallent like in the song blackbird (yes i learned how to play it finally) i just dont think that when people flip on distortion and start using power cords 24-7 it should be called good, but dont get me wrong, my favorite bands include led zeppelin, black sabbith, ac/dc metallic, ext plus the beattles, the police, and lots of other good bands.

[Sgt._Joker]

yer i think we should go back to our roots, The Beatles, the 60's.
grunge and punk rock is nothing to be proud of and is "Musak to my ears", we need more bands like Oasis, who r bringing back the 60's raw rock, its fantastic, btw if u wanna talk oasis go to my new Oasis thread

[DeusExMachina]

Hey now people, lets not judge. All music has its merits. And, its not like The Beatles didn't do the grungy power chord thing themselves. Helter Skelter, anyone? It's all good stuff, lets have this be a friendly pro-Beatles thread, not an anti-New music thread.

[Sgt._Joker]

hah, i'm sorry about the anti new music thing, it just pisses me off how bands like the beatles, or stones, or the who, or like eric clapton tend to b out numbered by power cord stumming idiotic punk bands,

Sure the beatles did a few songs consisting of power cords, but power chords are all bands today do (mostly :( ) u get the occasional gem like oasis, but bands like them get out numbered by bands like blink 182

any back to the beatles,

What sort of things are on the Beatles Anthology dvd, i am heavily considering buying it but i dont want any media trash that blows everythign out of preportion... are there interviews of the beatles? are they good interviews? (ones without some idiot from the media putting words into paul mccartney;s mouth or something)

[SOS420]

i like blink 182, infact they remind me of early beatle stuff, easy to listen to, up beat, usally about girls or broken heart stuff.....
yeh they are similar just with a different sound

[Sgt._Joker]

mmmm.

whats on the beatles anthology dvd box set?

[Seafroggys]

i like blink 182, infact they remind me of early beatle stuff, easy to listen to, up beat, usally about girls or broken heart stuff.....
yeh they are similar just with a different sound

A helluva different sound if I might add.

I see no similarities myself. Everybody writes stuff about girls and love and stuff (except maybe Tull)

[Walrus Gumboot]

I think eras of songs with lyrics not written about teeny-bob love stuff signify the advancement of music. The more complicated the lyrics, the better the rock music is. (IN GENERAL.) We have come full circle now, since the majority of songs on the charts today are written about the same stuff as 50's/early 60's (early Beatles even). Somewhat shallow.

[Woodstock]

mmmm.

whats on the beatles anthology dvd box set?
Everything you'd ever need to know about the Beatles. That's about it.

[Six Foot Revolver]

My step-dads got that so I will have to watch it sometime

[Woodstock]

Even if you're not a fan of the Beatles, you'll love it.

[DeusExMachina]

I should get the DVD. I've heard so many good things about it.

[SOS420]

AC/DC doesnt write about girls, or love, unless they are fuc.king the girl or she has an STD or something like that

[Seafroggys]

AC/DC doesnt write about girls, or love, unless they are fuc.king the girl or she has an STD or something like that

Checking my Back in Black album.....

What do you do for money honey?
You shook me all night long?
Let me put my love into you?

And would you honestly think bands would write about girls without even one thought of screwing them? I highly doubt it.

Anyway, back onto the Beatles......

I didn't really care for Anthology 1.. (its the only thing I own).....well, Free as a Bird is a kick *** song, and that's about it.

[RNR]

Ac/dc sure as hell does write about girls. Not love though.

[Woodstock]

Free Bird is actually a very good song. Very relaxing.

[RNR]

Exept for the solo. Maybe if it lasted a minute the song would be better.

[clown_phobia]

Exept for the solo. Maybe if it lasted a minute the song would be better.

how long does it last for?

[Woodstock]

You should never expect a long solo from a Beatles song.

[DeusExMachina]

Wait.. I'm confused. Are we talking about Free Bird by Lynyrd Skynyrd, or Free as a Bird by the Beatles?

[Woodstock]

I'm talking about the Beatles song.

[Walrus Gumboot]

You should never expect a long solo from a Beatles song.

One of my favorite solos is maybe 3 seconds long, near the end of "Strawberry Fields Forever"
It sounds like it has great potential, and then it ends before you can think about it

[Idyll]

John Lennon is massivly overrated and is viewed to much like a god or a messiah when he was an abusive father and ignored his first son. I dont think he was a particulary nice person all the time as some people claim.
Oh and Paul Mccartney is far more musical than George Harrison, i mean 47 Instruments and i bet all of them are variations of the guitar....
I can play 5 instruments if you say that, i can play pedal guitar, steel guitar, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, classical guitar etc

Prince is a real underrated musician now he actually can play 40 something different instruments, much like the late Brian Jones.

[RNR]

John Lennon is massivly overrated and is viewed to much like a god or a messiah when he was an abusive father and ignored his first son. I dont think he was a particulary nice person all the time as some people claim..

I fail to see how that makes him overrated. His songs were brilliant and he's one the best writers i've ever seen.

[lunch998]

John Lennon is massivly overrated and is viewed to much like a god or a messiah when he was an abusive father and ignored his first son. I dont think he was a particulary nice person all the time as some people claim.
Oh and Paul Mccartney is far more musical than George Harrison, i mean 47 Instruments and i bet all of them are variations of the guitar....
I can play 5 instruments if you say that, i can play pedal guitar, steel guitar, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, classical guitar etc

Prince is a real underrated musician now he actually can play 40 something different instruments, much like the late Brian Jones.

You probably couldn't name 47 variations of guitar though. He must have played different instruments, and strange variations of guitar that are still hard.

[Badmoon]

I fail to see how that makes him overrated. His songs were brilliant and he's one the best writers i've ever seen.

Well, people look at him as a symbol of peace and as a good person. So, if those rumors are true, then he is not a good person, and all of his songs relating to peace are kind of bullshit.

I can play 5 instruments if you say that, i can play pedal guitar, steel guitar, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, classical guitar etc

Out of that, you can play three instruments. And it is very interesting how you find 5 comparable to 47. Plus, I doubt you play "Pedal Guitar", being that is actually called a Pedal Steel Guitar.

[Walrus Gumboot]

He was quite unstable, and self-critical, he never claimed ot be a messiah, thats what people made him out to be. He didn't even seem too fond of himself, and didn't exactly take himself seriously or encourage others to do so (See I am the Walrus or Glass Onion) It was probably his unstability that made him such a genius if anything did

*Fun fact: I read somewhere that The Beatles wanted to do "The Lord of the Rings" and John wanted to be Gollum- might give you an idea

PS: Isn't it funny how we get so upset when some random (usually with awful typing skills) comes in here and says something stupid? We should really try to ignore them next time.

[Woodstock]

I like John Lennon because he was a very eccentric person. I respect him for his personality and funny but logical ideas.

[RNR]

Well, people look at him as a symbol of peace and as a good person. So, if those rumors are true, then he is not a good person, and all of his songs relating to peace are kind of bullshit.

.

oic. In that way. Not his music of course.

[Walrus Gumboot]

If you wanted to hook someone on The Beatles what song(s) would you recommend to hook them?

[JH LU KH RT]

Whats the difference between Let it be and naked

[TerryThorne]

whats the most trippy beatles song?

[Ulysses]

whats the most trippy beatles song?

Tomorrow Never Knows off Revolver, backwards solo, distorted vocals, creative guitar playing and heavily influenced by LSD, if it wasn't for Lennon's infatuation with the drug there would be a lack of inspiration for a song such as this which lyrically and musically hints at a trip, the way out, spaced out feeling of your mind spreading out.

[TerryThorne]

Does anyone know if the phone number for the whole "beware of abbey road" message still works?

[RNR]

Whats the difference between Let it be and naked

I believe it's just as it was played originally. No additions to quality of sound and less producing. Just to show the true, raw Beatles.

[Illmatic]

Let It Be...Naked = (Let It Be) - (Phil Specter's godawful production)

[Idyll]

I think you guys have got me wrong i am a massive beatles fan. I have pretty much all the beatles albums aside from meet the beatles and yellow submarine and i have about 15 books on the beatles. I'm just tired of people praising John Lennon and believing him to be the musical muscle behind all the beatles hits and lessor known tunes when its often not the case. I do think Lennon was a massive talent and of course its a tragedy that he died so young, but i think people must remember that he was only human and that he could often be tosser. Like Paul McCartney and everyone else.

Who else thinks Paul Mccartneys bass playing is underrated? I think he's a might fine bassist from what i can hear he seems to connect with the melody as well as providing rhythm and its all really fluid. What do some of the bassists think?

[RNR]

Paul was the most talented Beatle at his instrument for sure.

[Illmatic]

George was my favorite Beatle, and based on "Taxman", "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", and All Things Must Pass (arguably the best solo album by a Beatle), he definately should have had more material on Beatles records.

[lunch998]

George was my favorite Beatle, and based on "Taxman", "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", and All Things Must Pass (arguably the best solo album by a Beatle), he definately should have had more material on Beatles records.

I agree. I think George really had great ideas and musical ability that he couldn't always use in the Beatles.

[Walrus Gumboot]

I think that it's funny that so many people don't even know Paul played bass. I learned to play bass with his stuff, I love how it's not terribly complicated, but very... I don't know how to say, instead of the bass backing up the guitar, some of their songs seem to have the guitars accenting the bass,(think Something) its an essential part of the song rather than just another bassline

[Woodstock]

Paul had a knack for making catchy, addicting basslines. Hello Goodbye, Come Together, and Something have some of his best.

[xxxRoCkJuNkiExxx]

Paul's bass playing is awesome. I like it because his bass lines sound more melodic than a lot that I hear.

I saw someone say that John never said he was a messiah...He actually did tell Paul that he thought he was Jesus Christ at one time. I just thought that was kind of interesting...

[guitrguy]

Who is Jojo?

[Woodstock]

Who is Jojo?
Jojo was a man who thought he was a loner, and all he wanted was some California grass.

Nice.

[xxxRoCkJuNkiExxx]

Jojo was a man who thought he was a loner, and all he wanted was some California grass.

Nice.

lmao. That's just what I was thinking.

[DeusExMachina]

Paul was the most talented Beatle at his instrument for sure.

You think so? I'd say George on guitar > Paul on bass.

[DeusExMachina]

Paul was the most talented Beatle at his instrument for sure.

You think so? I'd say George on guitar > Paul on bass.

[guitarist.py]

Paul played the Taxman guitar solo.

[guitrguy]

Jojo was a man who thought he was a loner, and all he wanted was some California grass.

Nice.
Jes also metioned in "Back in the USSR"

[Johnny B. Good]

George was my favorite Beatle, and based on "Taxman", "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", and All Things Must Pass (arguably the best solo album by a Beatle), he definately should have had more material on Beatles records.
Yeah, the Beatles kind of restricted George's skill and talent

[Illmatic]

It seemed to me that John and Paul were a pair of blowhards when it came to putting the songs on the records.

[Johnny B. Good]

yep, they were @ssholes alright

[appreciate_it]

yeah i hear that all the time.

[RNR]

George had a ton of talent. It's a shame that John and Paul didn't let him write more for the Beatles. They certainly didn't let Ringo write a whole lot. And what Ringo wrote was always awesome.

[Sgt._Joker]

yep, they were @ssholes alright

they had to be.

"to be big, u have to be an arsehole, so the beatles were the biggest arseholes in the world, but no one wants to hear about that.."- John Lennon

[clown_phobia]

Who else thinks Paul Mccartneys bass playing is underrated? I think he's a might fine bassist from what i can hear he seems to connect with the melody as well as providing rhythm and its all really fluid. What do some of the bassists think?

Absolutely! Paul is the best bassist ever in my opinion! His bass lines are so brilliant, they suit the song so well, but also would stand out on their own as a composition.

[Ned]

As a starter question, what are peoples preferences: Let it Be or Let it Be Naked? I personally prefer Naked, I think its more polished

Well, that's rather ironic considering the title. I much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much prefer "Let It Be".

[Ned]

Absolutely! Paul is the best bassist ever in my opinion! His bass lines are so brilliant, they suit the song so well, but also would stand out on their own as a composition.

Well, he was an original bassist, and he came up with some novel ideas, but he wasn't a technically adept bassist, and he never, or at least rarely, seemed to really sync with his drummer the way a bassist ought to. He fakes that line in "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" two to many times.

[Ned]

They certainly didn't let Ringo write a whole lot. And what Ringo wrote was always awesome.

Oh, I doubt Ringo was interested, and no particular reason he should be. "Octopus's Garden" is fun, "What Goes On" (a collaboration with Lennon and/or McCartney) is fine, but "Don't Pass Me By" is pretty tedious (as is much of "The White Album").

[Ned]

It seemed to me that John and Paul were a pair of blowhards when it came to putting the songs on the records.

Very frequently it was producer George Martin who was veto-ing Harrison's contributions. Note also that Harrison got off to a late start. "Don't Bother Me", which appeared on the second Beatles album, was actually the first song he ever wrote in his life.

[Ulysses]

John Lennon is massivly overrated and is viewed to much like a god or a messiah when he was an abusive father and ignored his first son. I dont think he was a particulary nice person all the time as some people claim.
Oh and Paul Mccartney is far more musical than George Harrison, i mean 47 Instruments and i bet all of them are variations of the guitar....
I can play 5 instruments if you say that, i can play pedal guitar, steel guitar, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, classical guitar etc

Prince is a real underrated musician now he actually can play 40 something different instruments, much like the late Brian Jones.

Yeah, largely due to Lennon's upbringing, his mother Julia practically abandoning him and having to live with his strict aunt, he became a destructive and mischevious teenager, smashing street lights, stealing stuff from shops, tormenting and hurting people that were different to him, getting extremely low grades. McCartney when drafted into the Quarry Men assisted in helping turn Lennon's anger and frustration at life into creativity which was instrumental in the Beatles creating the music they did. Harrison was limited musically but he focused hard on learning the guitar which his mother bought for him when just starting off in the Quarry Men. He matured musically and creatively with his indian sitar playing later on in the Beatles career.

[Ned]

I once found a quote by Ringo that when he heard another drummer he realized that he was no good....but I think he was just being too hard on himself. plus, the Beatles wouldnt have been the Beatles without Ringo(in my opinion).

Oh, I think Ringo was a great drummer. Of course, he wasn't flashy and he had limited technique, but he was always tasteful and he always played what was appropriate for the song, nothing more and nothing less. If you listen to other sixties rock drummers (I'm not talking about Keith Moon and Charlie Watts--they're special cases), especially sixties rock studio drummers, you'll discover that that's saying quite a lot. Two of my favorite Ringo contributions are on "A Day in the Life" and "Come Together".

[clown_phobia]

Here is a story everyone should know:

As John was growing up, he practised guitar a lot. His aunt Mimi, who was his legal guardian, would often say "Guitar is fine John, but it'll never get you anywhere". When John recieved his MBE (Member of the British Empire) award, he sent it to her framed with the quote "Guitar is fine John, bit it'll never get you anywhere".

[Ned]

McCartney when drafted into the Quarry Men assisted in helping turn Lennon's anger and frustration at life into creativity which was instrumental in the Beatles creating the music they did.

I'm sorry, that's not quite right. McCartney wasn't drafted; he pushed himself in. John Lennon had been creative since childhood, drawing cartoons and poems and starting a parody school newpaper, as well playing the guitar and singing and writing songs, long before he met McCartney.

[Ned]

Here is a story everyone should know:

As John was growing up, he practised guitar a lot. His aunt Mimi, who was his legal guardian, would often say "Guitar is fine John, but it'll never get you anywhere". When John recieved his MBE (Member of the British Empire) award, he sent it to her framed with the quote "Guitar is fine John, bit it'll never get you anywhere".

And he bought her a house to go with it.

[Ned]

I saw someone say that John never said he was a messiah...He actually did tell Paul that he thought he was Jesus Christ at one time. I just thought that was kind of interesting...

Nonsense. Here's the real story: When the Beatles were performing once on a Sunday to a large audience, Lennon quipped (N.B.: that means JOKED) to a reporter, OFF THE RECORD (Lennon was extremely intelligent and by the time reasonably seasoned and media savvy), that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus. The reporter reneged on her word for the sake of a scoop and reported the quip, out of context, and a furor ensued. That's all.

[RNR]

Here is a story everyone should know:

As John was growing up, he practised guitar a lot. His aunt Mimi, who was his legal guardian, would often say "Guitar is fine John, but it'll never get you anywhere". When John recieved his MBE (Member of the British Empire) award, he sent it to her framed with the quote "Guitar is fine John, bit it'll never get you anywhere".

Hehe, yeah. He pwnz0orz her. I read that in one of the 27658765725 Beatles biographies. I really do need the personal biographies (- Ringo's)

[DeusExMachina]

Oh, I doubt Ringo was interested, and no particular reason he should be. "Octopus's Garden" is fun, "What Goes On" (a collaboration with Lennon and/or McCartney) is fine, but "Don't Pass Me By" is pretty tedious (as is much of "The White Album").

Agreed. I like The White Album, but I definitely think its quite a bit overrated.

[Woodstock]

I think the White Album deserves as much attention as it already gets.

[Sgt._Joker]

white albumn is one of my favourites, and i think its fare enough it gets so much attention,

[Walrus Gumboot]

I was reading the DK book on the Beatles "10 years that shook the world" or something, and it had a page about when the song "Something" came out, and naturally, it had an interview with Lennon where he said that in the early days they didn't want ot say anything to George about his songs because they were apperently quite bad. Obviously, he improved

[Woodstock]

I was reading the DK book on the Beatles "10 years that shook the world" or something, and it had a page about when the song "Something" came out, and naturally, it had an interview with Lennon where he said that in the early days they didn't want ot say anything to George about his songs because they were apperently quite bad. Obviously, he improved
Yep, they hated George's early songs. But sometimes they helped him improve one.

[Sgt._Joker]

what are george's earyl songs?

[Johnny B. Good]

Old Brown Shoe?

[RNR]

Agreed. I like The White Album, but I definitely think its quite a bit overrated.

It did sell the best, but I don't think it's overated. It has some great stuff on it. Everything else is just underated ;)

[DeusExMachina]

Hahaha. Maybe thats a good way of putting it. I dunno, its got some really good stuff, but I think a lot of it is just filler.

[Johnny B. Good]

I think the White Album is good, because it's the each individual Beatle putting their own material on it. Remember this album where they didn't really work together on the album, just went and did their own thing

[DeusExMachina]

Yeah, but I think it would have been a lot better if they'd gotten rid of some of the tracks, and made it only one disc.

[Johnny B. Good]

I wish Abbey Road was a longer album

[xxxRoCkJuNkiExxx]

Nonsense. Here's the real story: When the Beatles were performing once on a Sunday to a large audience, Lennon quipped (N.B.: that means JOKED) to a reporter, OFF THE RECORD (Lennon was extremely intelligent and by the time reasonably seasoned and media savvy), that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus. The reporter reneged on her word for the sake of a scoop and reported the quip, out of context, and a furor ensued. That's all.

That's a whole different story, not the one I was referring to.

[Sgt._Joker]

I wish Abbey Road was a longer album
they considered doing another one after abbey road, but i' glad they didnt... the beatles ended on a good note,

Her Majesty :lol:

[DeusExMachina]

Well, while Abbey Road was the last one recorded, they did release one more album after it. Abbey Road was released in 1969, Let it Be was released in 1970.

[Sgt._Joker]

yer, they were gonna end on let it be but they felt it wasnt their best and wanted to do better

[SOS420]

White Album is my favorite, it has While my Guitar Gentely Weeps and that song is awesome. "So is Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!" I just heard that song and it is very unique

[HempKnight]

hmmmm wow fav beatles cd, thats like asking what is better food air or water, i need all to live. I would have to say the white album too i live for revolutions lyrics (though the single version is better)

[RNR]

The White album's a 2 disk so it kind of has an unfair advantage on the other albums.

[DeusExMachina]

True... 30+ tracks is an advantage. Don't remember the exact number of tracks... actually, I think its 30 exactly. 17 on disc 1, 13 on disc 2, right?

[Sgt._Joker]

does anyone like Good morning Good Morning...? (on Sgt Pepper's)
personally i really like the bass line and johns gritty vocals on it

[DeusExMachina]

Yeah, its a good song. That whole album is great.

[Ulysses]

I'm sorry, that's not quite right. McCartney wasn't drafted; he pushed himself in. John Lennon had been creative since childhood, drawing cartoons and poems and starting a parody school newpaper, as well playing the guitar and singing and writing songs, long before he met McCartney.

McCartney was introduced to the band by Ivan Vaughan who went to the Liverpool Institute and was a long time friend of Lennon's on 6 July 1957while he was playing with the Quarry Men at the Woolton fair. It is true he did write poems when younger, this is emphasised when the first time Mimi saw him cry when his dog Sally was put down because of a row Lennon had had with her that morning before school. He wrote a poem about the dog. McCartney did assist him as they played together facing eachother when the two jammed together and McCartney being the better guitarist at the time taught Lennon which enabled the both of them to progress and grow as the band they were to later become. His songwriting improved as he matured as a musician.

[RNR]

True... 30+ tracks is an advantage. Don't remember the exact number of tracks... actually, I think its 30 exactly. 17 on disc 1, 13 on disc 2, right?

Bleh. I forget too. but it's the most on any of their albums.

[DeusExMachina]

Yeah. Abbey Road has 17 though, which is quite a bit. More than most Beatles albums. And, Abbey Road > White Album.

[Sgt._Joker]

mmmm really comes down to personal taste, i like the White Albumn course of all the experimenting with diff styles, and i like Abbey Road course its uber,
the only thing i can say that is better then something else, when talking about the beatles is:

Early Bealtes < Later Beatles

[DeusExMachina]

True. Later Beatles definitely owns earlier Beatles.

[RNR]

Agreed and agreed once more. Early Beatles tended to be more pop and later Beatles was more creative and deep.

[HempKnight]

Yea i'm defenetly glad the beatles changed the kind of music they were putting out because i wouldn't have listened to them if they hadn't put out that good later stuff. And to be denied the beatles is a crime

[Seafroggys]

Yeah, but if you listened to like the melody of some of the older Beatles' tunes (like if you played the vocals part on a piano) it sounds really really nice. Like All my Loving, Please Please Me, etc.

And c'mon....Twist and SHout is the ultimate dance song!

[clown_phobia]

Yea i'm defenetly glad the beatles changed the kind of music they were putting out because i wouldn't have listened to them if they hadn't put out that good later stuff. And to be denied the beatles is a crime

Their music changed when Bob Dylan gave them Marijuana, before Rubber Soul.

[Sgt._Joker]

Their music changed when Bob Dylan gave them Marijuana, before Rubber Soul.

it would of got depper any way, john lennon started getting influenced by dylan any way, john wanted to start writting like dylan with or without marjuwanna,

marajuwanna deff helped tho

[Ulysses]

it would of got depper any way, john lennon started getting influenced by dylan any way, john wanted to start writting like dylan with or without marjuwanna,

marajuwanna deff helped tho

Yeah, Lennon's meeting with Dylan in August 1964 marked a turning point in Lennon's lyric writing, where he began to write more deeply about himself and also drugs etc. He began maturing as a lyricist, which is why I prefer the Beatles later stuff, its also more creative, original and has depth to it compared to the poppier early material.
Supposedly Dylan thought that in the song "I Want to Hold Your Hand" the Beatles were saying "I get high" when they were actually saying "I can't hide" and it inspired him lyrically, as he saw the Beatles pushing the boundaries. You can see this on "Another Side of Bob Dylan". When the Beatles and Bob Dylan met at a hotel Dylan was staying in when he introduced them to marujuana, while they were still taking drugs such as purple hearts, Dylan asked them about the drug reference and it seemed he was proved wrong, but it inspired the Beatles to smoke pot and Dylan to create an album, so everything happens for a reason I suppose. The responses to eachothers lyrics is also fascinating with Dylan's answer to "Norweigan Wood" through "Fourth Time Around". There are many other examples of this and I find it quite intriguing and interesting as to what happens when artists such as the Beatles and Dylan associate with eachother.

[MemoryMachine]

Sgt. Peppers is the bomb ****. Harrison's contribution in "Within Without You" though, is a serious let down.

I adore Getting Better, such a feel good tune.

[RNR]

Yeah. The Beatles really go have a lot of feel good songs. They just cheer me right up :)

[cheesemuncher]

Yeah. The Beatles really go have a lot of feel good songs. They just cheer me right up :)
I don't particularly like getting better that much really, and in my opinion within wthout You is one of The Beatles' best songs

[DeusExMachina]

But, A Day in the Life is clearly the best song on Sgt. Peppers.

[Broken Arrow]

But, A Day in the Life is clearly the best song on Sgt. Peppers.
I'd have to agree with you on that one. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is is second though.

For some crazy reason When I'm 64 doesn't really click with me. I haven't ever liked it. Am I crazy?

[Woodstock]

When I'm 64 was just supposed to be a joke song to McCartney's dad. I still like it though.

[Illmatic]

I actually like "It's Getting Better" more than "A Day in the Life"...

[xxxRoCkJuNkiExxx]

I prefer "A Day In the Life." Then I would have to say either Lucy in the Sky, Good Morning, or With A Little Help From My Friends.

[clown_phobia]

The whole album is great! How come no-one has mentioned the title track? It is so good!

[Sgt._Joker]

A Day in the Life is really something, but i really really Like Good Morning, Good Morning aswell.
Lucy in the sky is also v good, and with a liitle help from my friends is brill course it just slides off Sgt Peppers.

its so hard to compare songs :(

[xxxRoCkJuNkiExxx]

The only song on Seargent Pepper's that I don't especially like is She's Leaving Home. For some reason, that song just kinda bothers me. Although, the more I listen to it, the less it bothers me..

[clown_phobia]

The only song on Seargent Pepper's that I don't especially like is She's Leaving Home. For some reason, that song just kinda bothers me. Although, the more I listen to it, the less it bothers me..

You should put it on right now :thumb:

[xxxRoCkJuNkiExxx]

You should put it on right now :thumb:

Not a bad idea...I think I will.

[HempKnight]

sgt peppers is a great cd, a day in the life = the best closing song of all time

[Sgt._Joker]

sgt peppers is a great cd, a day in the life = the best closing song of all time

how bout

Her majesty?

"Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl,
But she doesnt have a lot to say.
Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl,
but she changes from say to day.
I wanna tell that her i love her a lot,
but i gotta get a belly full of wine.
Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl,
Some day i'm gonna make her mine, oh yeah,
so day i'm gonna make her mine!"

that song was a brill song for the beatles to got out on :D so cheeky :lol:

[Distant Echoes]

Her Majesty is the second shortest song on my computer...sounds like they just picked up some old lyrics and went into the studio and played the song really fast, like how most bands make some innovative songs before recording a real song, but throw it on the album anyway. Still good, nonetheless, though i still think a day in the life blows it away. but can someone explain whats goin in that song? Like, is it changing point of views between the weird noises...and whats the significance of the overdubbed sounds at the very end...i get the jist, but dont fully understand

[clown_phobia]

"never to see any other one"

It describes paul after he died.

[Sgt._Joker]

Her Majesty is the second shortest song on my computer...sounds like they just picked up some old lyrics and went into the studio and played the song really fast, like how most bands make some innovative songs before recording a real song, but throw it on the album anyway. Still good, nonetheless, though i still think a day in the life blows it away. but can someone explain whats goin in that song? Like, is it changing point of views between the weird noises...and whats the significance of the overdubbed sounds at the very end...i get the jist, but dont fully understand

the beatles wouldn't of done that (about her majesty), they were trying to make a better albumn (abbey road) then Let It Be.
Her Majesty might be short and fast paced... so what?

[DBoons Ghost]

The song "Two of Us" is amazing.

That is all.

[Distant Echoes]

Im not bashing on the short song, sometimes its amazing what artist can come up with 5 minutes in the studio...but im certainly not bashing on it.

I should really make it clearly in conversations i never bash on a band/song unless iclearly say i hate it...this happens all the time

[clown_phobia]

http://www.eskimo.com/~bpentium/whobutch.html

^^ read that, it's about the butcher cover and how the american beatles albums were butchered.

It's a good read.

[Distant Echoes]

pretty interesting...i didnt know anything about that until now

rep+ for you

[clown_phobia]

I just realised something - Getting Better is the theme song for the TV show Better homes and gardens.

[Woodstock]

The song "Two of Us" is amazing.

That is all.
Indeed.

[Krabsworth]

since im in this thread i was wondering if the album, "hey jude" was ever put in cd form? hey jude is an album that has most of their singles on it, like hey jude, the ballad of john and yoko ono, and paper back. has anyone heard of it, or own it? if you do own it could i get it from you some how via internet

[clown_phobia]

I've heard of it. It sounds pretty good, but I'm not sure if it was ever released in britain, and only their british releases are availble on CD.

[Sgt._Joker]

Im not bashing on the short song, sometimes its amazing what artist can come up with 5 minutes in the studio...but im certainly not bashing on it.

I should really make it clearly in conversations i never bash on a band/song unless iclearly say i hate it...this happens all the time


v, v ,v sorry,

[Seafroggys]

She's Living Home has gotta be one of hte saddest songs of all time.

No one mentioned the Sgt. Pepper's Reprise....2nd best song off that album, behind aDitL of course.

[Ulysses]

It's a great album, a record I can listen to over and over, She's Leaving Home, it's sad but beautiful in a sense, a great composition.

[Sgt._Joker]

just if u've ever wanted to know what are the albumns and what the EXACT order they came out in:

(this is the discography of the BRITTISH Beatles recordings in order of their realise)

1962-
Love me do (single)
1963-
Please Please me (single)
From me to you (single)
Please Please me (albumn)
She Loves you (single)
The Beatles hits (EPS)
"twist and shout' (EPS)
I want to hold your hand (single)
The beatles no. 1 (eps)
With the beatles (Album)
1964-
"All my loving" (EPS)
Cant buy me love (single)
Long tall sally (EPS)
a hard days night (single)
A hard days night (albumn)
I feel fine (single)
A hard days night no 1 (EPS)
a hard days night no.2 (EPS)
beatles for sale (albumn)
1995
Ticket to ride (single)
Beatles for sale No. 1 (EPS)
Beatles for sale No. 2 (eps)
Help! (single)
Help! (albumn
Rubber soul (albumn)
Day tripper (single)
Beatles Million Sellers (EPS)
1966-
Yesterday (EPS)
Paperback Writter (single)
Revolver (albumn)
Elenor rigby (Single)
a collection of oldies.... but goodies (albumn)
1967
Penny Lane (single)
Sgt. Peppers lonely hearts club band (albumn)
All you need is love (single)
Hello goodbye (single)
Magical mystery tour (albumn)
1968
Lady Madonna (single)
Hey jude (single)
The white albumn (albumn)
Yellow submairine (albumn)
1969
Get back - (single)
Ballad of john and yoko (single)
Abbey road (albumn )
Something (single)
1970
Let it be (single)
Let it be (albumn)

That is 100% correct (although i MAY of skipped one single while typing that all up) i copied that from a Beatles Book which is a Book of all the lyrics to the songs they wrote.
(please excuse any typo's)
god that took along time... enjoy! :thumb:

[clown_phobia]

Wow!

Give this guy some rep, people! :thumb:

[Seafroggys]

1995
Ticket to ride (single)


****, what the hell are they under classic rock for?

Great list...I used to browse (years and years ago) this site with the complete discography, including release dates, recording dates, and who played what.

[Woodstock]

Who here doesn't really like the Beatles website? It's kind of odd, no information about the bad and only some on the newer ones.

[clown_phobia]

****, what the hell are they under classic rock for?

I think it's supposed to be 1965.

[Metafive]

Her Majesty is the second shortest song on my computer...sounds like they just picked up some old lyrics and went into the studio and played the song really fast, like how most bands make some innovative songs before recording a real song, but throw it on the album anyway. Still good, nonetheless, though i still think a day in the life blows it away. but can someone explain whats goin in that song? Like, is it changing point of views between the weird noises...and whats the significance of the overdubbed sounds at the very end...i get the jist, but dont fully understand

I read about that in the Beatles Anthology book, they brought in an orchestra with horns and strings and drums and the whole bit and Paul told them go from your lowest note to your highest note within the 24 bars that they had to fillt up, and that's what they came up with when it was finished. And as to why they did it, well, because they're the Beatles! That's all I know about that, and yes it is the best closing song ever. By the way I heard Paul McCartney is doing another North American Tour:O

[Sgt._Joker]

he should do an aussie tour

[Sgt._Joker]

****, what the hell are they under classic rock for?

Great list...I used to browse (years and years ago) this site with the complete discography, including release dates, recording dates, and who played what.


i can give u the release days if u want (and i will do that now)
and i could give u every song in the albumn (but that would take far to long)
and i could tell u who sings each song (but that would also take a long time)

If u have ever wanted to know who sings what song, make a request to me, and i will find out for u (give me the albumn the song is on, it'll make it easier) ,

[clown_phobia]

Paul told them go from your lowest note to your highest note

I think it was John.

[DeusExMachina]

I <3 She's Leaving Home. Beautiful, brilliant, amazing.

[Woodstock]

I <3 She's Leaving Home. Beautiful, brilliant, amazing.
Probably my least favorite song of SPLHCB.

[Johnny B. Good]

My least fav is When I'm 64

[Seafroggys]

I think it's supposed to be 1965.

Yeah, I was joking, I know it was a typo.....

[DeusExMachina]

Probably my least favorite song of SPLHCB.

My second fave, tied with LITSWD, behind A Day in the Life.

[guitrguy]

Probably my least favorite song of SPLHCB.
My least fave is lovely rita (name is probably off, but I dont feel like going to grab my SPLHCB)

[Johnny B. Good]

I like Lovely Rita

[clown_phobia]

My least fave is lovely rita (name is probably off, but I dont feel like going to grab my SPLHCB)

You can't be serious! That song is gold!

:amaze:

[guitrguy]

:lol: Atleast we all can agree on A Day in the life

I didn't say I hated it; I just like the other songs more.

[Badmoon]

My least fave is lovely rita (name is probably off, but I dont feel like going to grab my SPLHCB)

Best. Song. On. The. Album.

[clown_phobia]

Is it true that Let it be album came out after they broke up?

[Johnny B. Good]

yes it's true

[clown_phobia]

Challenge:

Name five Beatles songs in which the first song of the lyrics is a verb.

[Johnny B. Good]

Could you repeat I didn't understand what your saying

[guitrguy]

Let it Be is was really meant to be a movie comprised of previously unreleased songs, but they just released it as an album.

[clown_phobia]

Could you repeat I didn't understand what your saying

I'm challenging you to think of 5 beatles songs. Not just any Beatles songs, they have to:


Have lyrics
The first word of the lyrics has to be a verb*


A verb is a doing word.

[fobafelia_bassist]

5 Beatles songs all with the opening word as a verb
1. Help! - Lyrics: "Help! I need somebody..."
2. All My Loving - Lyrics: "Pretend that I'm kissing..."
3. We Can Work It Out - Lyrics: "Try to see it my way..."
4. Eleanor Rigby - Lyrics: "Look at all the lonely people..."
5. Strawberry Fields Forever - Lyrics: "Let me take you down..."

[clown_phobia]

5 Beatles songs all with the opening word as a verb
1. Help! - Lyrics: "Help! I need somebody..."
2. All My Loving - Lyrics: "Pretend that I'm kissing..."
3. We Can Work It Out - Lyrics: "Try to see it my way..."
4. Eleanor Rigby - Lyrics: "Look at all the lonely people..."
5. Strawberry Fields Forever - Lyrics: "Let me take you down..."

Good job! Very well done. :)

[fobafelia_bassist]

Thanks... Just shows how bored I was, eh? Oh well...

[Sgt._Joker]

5 Beatles songs all with the opening word as a verb
1. Help! - Lyrics: "Help! I need somebody..."
2. All My Loving - Lyrics: "Pretend that I'm kissing..."
3. We Can Work It Out - Lyrics: "Try to see it my way..."
4. Eleanor Rigby - Lyrics: "Look at all the lonely people..."
5. Strawberry Fields Forever - Lyrics: "Let me take you down..."


Number 2 (all my loving) is wrong, the song starts with "Close your eyes and i'll kiss u..." which is not the bit u said is actually "I'll pretend that i'm kissing" and that is the start of the 2nd verse,

4. Eleanor Rigby is also wrong its "ahhh look at all the lonely people"

god i sound bitchy sorry!, u were close. now my turn ey.

1. Tell Me Why- "tell me why you cried..."
2. Drive My Car- "Asked a girl what she wanted to be.."
3 A. Doctor Robert- "ring my friend, i said you'd call doctor robert" (i'm not sure what context ring is used in and wether its used as a verb so thats 3A)
3 B. Tommorow Never Knows- "Turn off your mind, Relax and float down stream, it is not dieing, it is not dieing"
4. Lucy In the Sky with Diamond. "Picture yourself in a boat on a river..."
5.Magical Mystery Tour- "(Roll up, roll up for the Magical Mystery tour..)"

oops i nearly got to carried away i nearly put down another 3 but that'd prevent the songs other peeps could add to the list..

[clown_phobia]

Does anyone like Across the Universe? I think it's a fantastic song.

Has anyone heard the version off the world wildlife fund album? The faster, higher one with bird sounds?

[Walrus Gumboot]

I really wish Hey Jude were on CD. And I love Across The Universe. I could have died when I heard it, I almost fell over, and yeas, I have heard that, and I didn't know it was off of a WWF album...
cool.

[IAJP]

Across The Universe is amazing.

[Metafive]

I think A Day in the Life and Tomorrow Never Knows are the only Beatles songs that don't have the title of the song in the lyrics somewhere in the song, know any other ones?

[Rubes9492]

Whats everyone think about George Harrison's sitar playing? I hear that Ravi Shanker said that George Harrison learned it faster then any of his students ever had by far. I love how he incorporated into some of the Beatles songs like Norwegian Wood...Any thoughts?

[RNR]

I think A Day in the Life and Tomorrow Never Knows are the only Beatles songs that don't have the title of the song in the lyrics somewhere in the song, know any other ones?

You may be right. A lot of the time the title is used often in the song.

[thickasabrick]

Whats everyone think about George Harrison's sitar playing? I hear that Ravi Shanker said that George Harrison learned it faster then any of his students ever had by far. I love how he incorporated into some of the Beatles songs like Norwegian Wood...Any thoughts?

He was good at incorperating the Sitar into music that Beatles fans would listen to. Compared to an actual Sitar player like Ravi Shankar, or other musicians who play actual Middle Eastern music, he's not that amazing.

[ultraspamboy]

I saw a Ravi Shankar album at this new-agey store in the mall. I didn't have enough money to buy it.

I once briefly considered buying a sitar but decided it wouldn't be worth the hassle of stringing, tuning, and maintaining.

I think "Why Don't We Do It In The Road" didn't have the title anywhere in the song.



Before you flame me, that was a joke.

[Illmatic]

I'll probably get skiinned a live for saying this, but has anyone here listened to The Grey Album?

[TerryThorne]

Is it worth it?

[Seafroggys]

I'll probably get skiinned a live for saying this, but has anyone here listened to The Grey Album?

Grey Album?

Is this the secret third disc of the White Album?

Please tell!

[TerryThorne]

All I heard was that its a mix of the White Album and Jay-Z's black album

[ultraspamboy]

I heard it was overrated.

[Illmatic]

Grey Album?

Is this the secret third disc of the White Album?

Please tell!

Danger Mouse took the vocals from Jay-Z's The Black Album and mixed it over tracks from The White Album. I loved it. What More Can I Say, Public Service Announcement, and Change Clothes were improvements over their Black Album counterparts.

[Ned]

That's a whole different story, not the one I was referring to.

Sorry, it's the only story there is.

[Ned]

McCartney did assist him as they played together facing eachother when the two jammed together and McCartney being the better guitarist at the time taught Lennon which enabled the both of them to progress and grow as the band they were to later become. His songwriting improved as he matured as a musician.

If you limit this to guitar playing, it sounds more plausible, but you'd have to take McCartney's word, which is suspect and which became more suspect after Lennon's death (which McCartney took advantage of by changing his anecdotes, knowing Lennon was no longer around to contradict him). The objective facts are these: 1) Lennon had the gig; McCartney did not. 2) Lennon was leader; McCartney was not.

Listen to Beatles records. Lennon makes the guitar groove; McCartney never learned to.

[Ned]

Whats everyone think about George Harrison's sitar playing? I hear that Ravi Shanker said that George Harrison learned it faster then any of his students ever had by far. I love how he incorporated into some of the Beatles songs like Norwegian Wood...Any thoughts?

Harrison only studied for six months and a lot of that was simply posture. "Norwegian Wood" was recorded before Harrison met Ravi Shankar, and Harrison was subsequently embarrassed about it. No, Harrison gained from Ravi Shankar a deeper appreciation of the sitar and Indian music in general, not any appreciable playing skill.

[Ned]

I saw a Ravi Shankar album at this new-agey store in the mall. I didn't have enough money to buy it.

I once briefly considered buying a sitar but decided it wouldn't be worth the hassle of stringing, tuning, and maintaining.

I think "Why Don't We Do It In The Road" didn't have the title anywhere in the song.



Before you flame me, that was a joke.

And a pretty good one at that. Hey, if you want good authentic recordings of Indian music for cheap, avoid the New Age shops and check out small Indian grocery stores. (It's worked for me at least.)

[fobafelia_bassist]

I'll probably get skiinned a live for saying this, but has anyone here listened to The Grey Album?

I've wanted to hear it for ages, but been unable to find a copy... I don't mind Jay-Z as much as other rappers, I think it'd be alright.

[clown_phobia]

the grey album is not an authorised release... is it?

[clown_phobia]

I really wish Hey Jude were on CD.

It's on the #1 album.

[Ned]

It's on the #1 album.

Oh, the place to get it is on "Past Masters, Volume II"--no redundancy there. Forget "#1". (There WAS a "Hey, Jude" album--in between "Abbey Road" and "Let It Be", but not released in England until years later.)

[DeusExMachina]

Does anyone like Across the Universe? I think it's a fantastic song.

Observe my user title. Across The Universe is one of my favorite songs of all time. I love the version off the Beatles Anthology.

[DeusExMachina]

If you limit this to guitar playing, it sounds more plausible, but you'd have to take McCartney's word, which is suspect and which became more suspect after Lennon's death (which McCartney took advantage of by changing his anecdotes, knowing Lennon was no longer around to contradict him). The objective facts are these: 1) Lennon had the gig; McCartney did not. 2) Lennon was leader; McCartney was not.

Listen to Beatles records. Lennon makes the guitar groove; McCartney never learned to.

Not true. After whats-his-name (their manager... God, I can't believe I'm forgetting it) died, McCartney took control of the band. Although Lennon still did his fair share of writing, McCartney was a creative nazi, up until he had a dream in which Mother Mary told him to Let it Be, which influenced him to a) write the song and b) loosen his creative control on The Beatles.

Fun little fact: Ravi Shankar's daughter is Norah Jones.

[Woodstock]

Not true. After whats-his-name (their manager... God, I can't believe I'm forgetting it) died, McCartney took control of the band. Although Lennon still did his fair share of writing, McCartney was a creative nazi, up until he had a dream in which Mother Mary told him to Let it Be, which influenced him to a) write the song and b) loosen his creative control on The Beatles.

Fun little fact: Ravi Shankar's daughter is Norah Jones.
Brian Epstein. Your Beatles trivia knowledge is dissapointing me :angry:

[Rubes9492]

Originally Posted by Ned
Harrison only studied for six months and a lot of that was simply posture. "Norwegian Wood" was recorded before Harrison met Ravi Shankar, and Harrison was subsequently embarrassed about it. No, Harrison gained from Ravi Shankar a deeper appreciation of the sitar and Indian music in general, not any appreciable playing skill.

Oh really? Thats something I haven't heard before...thanks for the info...

[RNR]

Brian Epstein. Your Beatles trivia knowledge is dissapointing me :angry:
Hehe. That's a commonly known fact. i'm surprised at deusex :amaze:

[Kaden]

I really like Julia and Happiness is a Warm Gun.
Happiness is a Warm Gun is easily my favorite song right now. Plus, Julia is very emotional and cool. Good taste! :thumb:

George Harrison was taught to play sitar by Ravi Shankar, and anyone associated with Ravi automatically gains 70154714936757234 cool points.

[lunch998]

Magical Mystery Tour is really growing on me now. I didn't used to think it was that great, but now I'm changing my mind.

[Johnny B. Good]

I don't like MMT that much

[Woodstock]

MMT is a great album. Those who don't like it haven't listened to it enough.

[lunch998]

I don't like MMT that much

At first I didn't, now I like it. Psychadelic Beatles=Good.

Stock: I think that is true, becuase the more I listened to it the more I liked it.

[Johnny B. Good]

MMT is a great album. Those who don't like it haven't listened to it enough.
I probably haven't

[clown_phobia]

I've only listened to it once and I love it :thumb:

Strawberry Fields forever is probably the best song on the album, but there are so many good ones :)

[Sgt._Joker]

there is no best song on an albumn that stands head over others, on almost every beatles cd all songs on it stand equally in "bestness" it might b ur *favourite* on the albumn tho,

[DeusExMachina]

Hehe. That's a commonly known fact. i'm surprised at deusex :amaze:

Shush. I knew his name. I just forgot. I know my Beatles trivia pretty well, I just have a bad memory with names.

[Ned]

Not true. After whats-his-name (their manager... God, I can't believe I'm forgetting it) died, McCartney took control of the band. Although Lennon still did his fair share of writing, McCartney was a creative nazi, up until he had a dream in which Mother Mary told him to Let it Be, which influenced him to a) write the song and b) loosen his creative control on The Beatles.

Fun little fact: Ravi Shankar's daughter is Norah Jones.

Um...I meant John Lennon was leader of the Quarrymen. The Beatles had no official leader, but of course Lennon was defacto leader until, as you say, what's-his-name died. Lennon was going through a passive period at the time (according to Lennon), and when he began to reassert himself things got rough and eventually the group broke up. McCartney's bid to try to make Linda's uncle manager was obviously a power play, and McCartney interpreted Lennon's bid to make Allen Klein manager as an equal and opposite power play. (It almost seems that McCartney built his career on corpses: first Stu Sutcliff, then Brian Epstein, then John Lennon.)

[Ned]

MMT is a great album. Those who don't like it haven't listened to it enough.

There are two basic problems with "Magical Mystery Tour":

1) It was intended as an EP, not an LP.

2) The awful television special.

So, yes, there are some very good songs on it, most notably the songs of the double A single, "Penny Lane" (one of Paul McCartney's and George Martin's very best) and "Strawberry Fields Forever", but some tracks are merely filler, most notably "Flying" (pretty much the worst Beatles track that does not appear on the White Album, in my opinion), and it doesn't hang together the way that Pepper and Abbey Road and other Beatles LP's do.

[Ned]

Observe my user title. Across The Universe is one of my favorite songs of all time. I love the version off the Beatles Anthology.

Do you know the "Past Masters" version (the first version to be released)?

[DeusExMachina]

Um...I meant John Lennon was leader of the Quarrymen. The Beatles had no official leader, but of course Lennon was defacto leader until, as you say, what's-his-name died. Lennon was going through a passive period at the time (according to Lennon), and when he began to reassert himself things got rough and eventually the group broke up. McCartney's bid to try to make Linda's uncle manager was obviously a power play, and McCartney interpreted Lennon's bid to make Allen Klein manager as an equal and opposite power play. (It almost seems that McCartney built his career on corpses: first Stu Sutcliff, then Brian Epstein, then John Lennon.)

Crikeys. Triple postage. Anywho...
That statement about McCartney is a little harsh, don't you think? I mean, he was golden in the Beatles before Epstein died, (and I know I forgot his name, but people needn't jump on my back for it...it was just a brain lapse) and if the death of Sutcliffe really helped anyone, I'd say it was Harrison. With three guitars in the band, Harrison wouldn't stand out nearly so much. However, with McCartney on bass, Harrison had his chance to show off his lead guitar playing abilities.

I agree with you about Flying. And the White Album. There's some great stuff on The White Album, and there's some junk.

Yes, I have heard the Past Masters version of Across The Universe. It's good, but the vocals seem sadder to me than they do on the released version. Not as airy, and just kind of down.

[Rock'n roll]

I love the beatles what a brillant amazing band.I wonder what would of happen if they continued touring after 1966 and if the beatles lasted after 1970?
I think they would of been proably better if they toured,but they said it would take away there experimental records,but I dont think it would,but as for lasting longer in the 70s well it would of been hard as you see rolling stones and Led Zeppelin were huge touring bands so they may of not wanna to be outdone live maybe,so they try to beat everyone in the recording side of things.Its really hard to imagine what would and could of happened if those two things would kept going.who knows.

[El_Goodo]

I love the beatles what a brillant amazing band.I wonder what would of happen if they continued touring after 1966 and if the beatles lasted after 1970?
I think they would of been proably better if they toured,but they said it would take away there experimental records,but I dont think it would,but as for lasting longer in the 70s well it would of been hard as you see rolling stones and Led Zeppelin were huge touring bands so they may of not wanna to be outdone live maybe,so they try to beat everyone in the recording side of things.Its really hard to imagine what would and could of happened if those two things would kept going.who knows.

Thats not why they didnt tour, they didnt tour because they felt there music wasnt being heard it was just the beatles that were the show not their music.

[Rock'n roll]

Yea I pretty much knew that,but it is also another theory about it,though.Plus John's statement he made("its to a point were the beatles are bigger than Jesus Christ") and that really hurt The Beatles so there shortly afterword they stopped touring it seems relativent that maybe he was a bit afraid to tour which who could blame him.the way the public reacted to that statement was insane though.Also I've always wanted to know what (Jai guru deva om)that line in "Across the Universe" meant?

P.S.mine was just a theory of what would of happen not why they stopped touring I know they felt there were a bit like a show than being the beatles and wanted to concentrate on albums more,but mines was a theory of what if they continue touring when the rise of Hendrix,The Stones,Led Zepp,from 66-70 and if they lasted longer like to around 1975 would they've been as successful no I don't think so Idk if they could of recorded and toured that long to be honest.There were alot of egos and of course Yoko's input on John and the beatles.So I highly doubt it would of been remotely possible for the beatles to last much longer than 1970 much less 5 more years.Plus as it was with egos and such as everyone would have it would of been nice as guess for the stones,the beatles and Led Zepp to dominate the 70s,but sadly it didn't turn out that way.it was just a matter of opinion on what you would of thought on the beatles touring longer than 1966 and the beatles as a group still lasting longer than 1970.

[Walrus Gumboot]

1) On the back of the "Meet The Beatles" it introduces John as the "leader" of the group
2)I didn't like "flying" at first, but it's really grown on me, it's one of their only instrumentals
3) What's this about Sir Paul playing at the superbowl? I hear he is going to play some song called "Freedom". Boo.
Best case scenario: He signs on to sing a Wings song and plays "Imagine" instead. Hey, its going out live on the East Coast...he could do it

Gee golly that would make my day.

[xxxRoCkJuNkiExxx]

I've missed quite a bit in here.

MMT is a great album. I didn't like Flying at first but now I can't skip it when I listen to the CD. My favorite MMT song is Strawberry Fields and then All You Need Is Love.

Did someone mention a Paul McCartney tour? Elaborate, please.

[Woodstock]

Paul McCartney is performing at the halftime show of the Super Bowl. In case you didn't know.

[xxxRoCkJuNkiExxx]

Thanks. I usually don't watch half-time, but now I guess I will. :)

[thickasabrick]

1) On the back of the "Meet The Beatles" it introduces John as the "leader" of the group
2)I didn't like "flying" at first, but it's really grown on me, it's one of their only instrumentals
3) What's this about Sir Paul playing at the superbowl? I hear he is going to play some song called "Freedom". Boo.
Best case scenario: He signs on to sing a Wings song and plays "Imagine" instead. Hey, its going out live on the East Coast...he could do it

Gee golly that would make my day.

I wouldn't want him to play Imagine...it's not his song. He didn't contribute to that song in any way. I want him to play something psychadelic, just because that's when his bass playing skills were best put to use.

[xxxRoCkJuNkiExxx]

I agree with thickasabrick. McCartney should play one of his own songs.

[Woodstock]

Yuck, I don't want him to play Freedom. That song is pure crap. Play something surreal.

[guitrguy]

I wouldn't want him to play Imagine...it's not his song. He didn't contribute to that song in any way. I want him to play something psychadelic, just because that's when his bass playing skills were best put to use.
Im interested in seeing him play either way.

[Ned]

That statement about McCartney is a little harsh, don't you think?

Sure, but I'm trying to be provocative.

I mean, he was golden in the Beatles before Epstein died,

He didn't have control, and he was contending furiously with Lennon behind the scenes.

....and if the death of Sutcliffe really helped anyone, I'd say it was Harrison. With three guitars in the band, Harrison wouldn't stand out nearly so much. However, with McCartney on bass, Harrison had his chance to show off his lead guitar playing abilities.

Well, the remark is a little off with regard to Sutcliffe, but only because Sutcliffe died AFTER quitting the Beatles, not MUCH after, however, so it's still close--poetic truth if not literal truth.

Harrison was undisputed top guitarist for his entire Beatles tenure. Sutcliffe's departure helped Harrison only in the way that it helped all four; there was one fewer Beatle--or at least that's how I see it.

I read an interview once with McCartney in which McCartney was angry at some Beatles book that claimed he'd pushed out Sutcliffe so that he could take over the bass. It was his contention that he'd got "slagged" with the bass (nobody wanted to play it). He said he rang up Harrison and asked, "Did I get slagged with the bass?" and Harrison answered, "You got slagged with the bass." The problem with the book, however, was only in its mis-imputation of the motive; it WAS on the right track. Pete Best confirms that McCartney was hostile to Sutcliffe, sometimes savagely hostile. Well, Sutcliffe was in the band for one reason only: because he was John Lennon's best friend and John Lennon wanted him in. Paul McCartney wanted him out, and eventually succeeded in booting him. With Sutcliffe gone, McCartney no longer had to compete for second chair.

[Ned]

If McCartney had a real sense of humor, he'd sing "How Do You Sleep?" That would be hilarious and a great way to rise above the fray.

I still haven't forgiven McCartney for "Freedom". I want him to redeem himself (partially) by denouncing Bush unequivocally. The line "God gave me the right to live in freedom" particularly bothers me. As far as I know, this is the first time God appears in a McCartney song. When Lennon sang about God, he was honestly grappling with the thing intellectually. When Harrison sang about God, he was honestly grappling with the thing emotionally, spiritually. Apparently McCartney doesn't need to grapple; God is McCartney's best buddy, and McCartney can speak for God with impunity--"Freedom" is rather like Dylan's "With God On Our Side" without the irony.

[RNR]

If McCartney had a real sense of humor, he'd sing "How Do You Sleep?" That would be hilarious and a great way to rise above the fray.

.

That would be awesome :lol:. Of course since the guys who did it are dead maybe it wouldn't be nice to mock them.

[Seafroggys]

Eh, just let him do Maybe I'm Amazed.

Trust me, hearing that and Let it Be live was some of the greatest experiences of my life.

Of course, he should just go all out badass and do Helter Skelter, which I don't think he's ever done live before.....oh yeah :thumb: that'd be the best half time show of all time.

[DeusExMachina]

Also I've always wanted to know what (Jai guru deva om)that line in "Across the Universe" meant?

We praise you, heavenly teacher. Om. (Not exact, but its hard to get an exact translation of sanskrit. Om is a hindu sound that I'm sure you'd recognize, it goes at the end of prayers and is supposed to be the natural vibrations of the universe.)

[Ned]

We praise you, heavenly teacher. Om. (Not exact, but its hard to get an exact translation of sanskrit. Om is a hindu sound that I'm sure you'd recognize, it goes at the end of prayers and is supposed to be the natural vibrations of the universe.)

Interesting. It's Sanskrit, not Hindi? "Guru" is teacher, of course. Is "deva" more or less a cognate of the English "devotion" or is the resemblance fortuitous? I assume in the song Lennon only wants to invoke the idea of chanting, that is, the song itself is not saying "We praise you, heavenly teacher".

[This User Name is taken.]

I liek teh Beetles.

[Sgt._Joker]

Paul McCartney is not the villian Ned and some others make out
Paul McCartney may not of liked stu sutcliff, but, if you were in the beatles and you had some no hope in the band, who was only really there as a friend of one of the other members of the group would u like him?,
For that matter i doubt George Harrison would of liked that fact bout stu, or Pete.

And during the beatles and all that the "behind the scenes fights" with john wernt as bad as what Ned said, fair enough you saying that though becourse there were fights but the media etc. blew the fights RIGHT out of preportion
John Lennon said:
"You can have a fight with ur best mate, and come to blows over it if u like, but in the end he is still ur best mate.... but when we figth its some sort of... trecherary...or some crime against the state"

I've quoted that before in here^^ but it seems like it needs to be said again now.

[DeusExMachina]

Interesting. It's Sanskrit, not Hindi? "Guru" is teacher, of course. Is "deva" more or less a cognate of the English "devotion" or is the resemblance fortuitous? I assume in the song Lennon only wants to invoke the idea of chanting, that is, the song itself is not saying "We praise you, heavenly teacher".

Deva is like, holy or great. I'm not positive on the exact translation of each individual word, but I do know "deva" refers to the sacred. I'm fairly certain it's Sanskrit, but it could be Hindi.

To Sgt. Joker, I agree with what I could understand. No offense, but typing a bit more coherently would be nice.

[Dave de Sylvia]

I assume you've all heard of the all-star version of Across the Universe to be played at the grammies? It'll feature Brian Wilson and Velvet Revolver, among others, in aid of the tsunami victims. I can't wait :)

[Sgt._Joker]

To Sgt. Joker, I agree with what I could understand. No offense, but typing a bit more coherently would be nice.

*edits* any better?

[Sgt._Joker]

I love the beatles what a brillant amazing band.I wonder what would of happen if they continued touring after 1966 and if the beatles lasted after 1970?
I think they would of been proably better if they toured,but they said it would take away there experimental records,but I dont think it would,but as for lasting longer in the 70s well it would of been hard as you see rolling stones and Led Zeppelin were huge touring bands so they may of not wanna to be outdone live maybe,so they try to beat everyone in the recording side of things.Its really hard to imagine what would and could of happened if those two things would kept going.who knows.

What Would of happend if they had stoped touring:
1. They would not of become as experimental because:
They could not hear themselves on Stage.
They would not of been able to perform songs like Tommorow Never Knows due to the fact it uses backwards guitars etc.

and just in general would not of become as good as they did,

[Sgt._Joker]

my brother just showed me this VERY cool animation:

http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/cometogether.php

its awesome check it out

(appologies for the tripple post)

[Ned]

*edits* any better?

You mean it was even worse before?

[Ned]

Paul McCartney is not the villian Ned and some others make out
Paul McCartney may not of liked stu sutcliff, but, if you were in the beatles and you had some no hope in the band, who was only really there as a friend of one of the other members of the group would u like him?,
For that matter i doubt George Harrison would of liked that fact bout stu, or Pete.

And during the beatles and all that the "behind the scenes fights" with john wernt as bad as what Ned said, fair enough you saying that though becourse there were fights but the media etc. blew the fights RIGHT out of preportion
John Lennon said:
"You can have a fight with ur best mate, and come to blows over it if u like, but in the end he is still ur best mate.... but when we figth its some sort of... trecherary...or some crime against the state"

I've quoted that before in here^^ but it seems like it needs to be said again now.

Look: The account of the fighting between Stu and McCartney comes from Pete Best (although other independent sources corroborate it). If you don't like it, take it up with him. Whether or not McCartney is a "villain", he is certainly a cool, calculating, and not especially scrupulous careerist, and Lennon quit the Beatles and broke up the group because he finally got utterly fed up with his ****, and frankly, I'm pretty fed up with his **** too.

[Ned]

I assume you've all heard of the all-star version of Across the Universe to be played at the grammies? It'll feature Brian Wilson and Velvet Revolver, among others, in aid of the tsunami victims. I can't wait :)

As long as we're going on about renditions of this song...Bowie performs it (in collaboration with Lennon) on "Young Americans"--without the chant. I don't particularly care for this rendition, but....what? Oh, never mind.

[clown_phobia]

Has anyone heard that Ringo is going to star as himself in his own super-hero TV show?

[Walrus Gumboot]

I don't like it when they leave out the chant... its like watering it down so it's less, I don't know, maybe more Christian. I thought it would be cool if McCartney sang Imagine because it is the ultimate protest song, and it would be a slap in the face against all of the corporate sponsors, and alot of what the superbowl is about, while at the same time being very peaceful, understandable, and moving.

Hahahaha... I remember Ringo on some show about trains when I was really little:
Mom: "Do you know who that is?"
Me: "No"
Mom: "It's Ringo Starr."
Me: "How are you supposed to tell what he's saying?"'
Who's doing the superhero show? BBC? Maybe it will be on PBS...

[Broken Arrow]

Yeah Ringo was the voice of the Conductor on Thomas the Tank Engine along with George Carlin the Comiedian.

[Broken Arrow]

my brother just showed me this VERY cool animation:

http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/cometogether.php

its awesome check it out

(appologies for the tripple post)
Wow that was trippy. Very Cool. :thumb:

[DeusExMachina]

I assume you've all heard of the all-star version of Across the Universe to be played at the grammies? It'll feature Brian Wilson and Velvet Revolver, among others, in aid of the tsunami victims. I can't wait :)

Hm... Doesn't sound very good to me. I don't think Brian Wilson's voice would work on that, nor would Velvet Revolver's playing. I think the Beatles did it perfectly. I agree with Ned, David Bowie did a pretty poor job of it. But Young Americans is an amazing song.

[DeusExMachina]

I would just like to say to whoever neg repped me (if they're in this thread) that commenting a neg rep with nothing but "youre gay" (and yes, they did spell it youre, not you're) and not leaving a name is ****ing wussy. If you don't like The Beatles, post it in the thread, don't neg rep me for starting a thread on them. And, if you don't like me, give me a reason and don't be a prick about it.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Hm... Doesn't sound very good to me. I don't think Brian Wilson's voice would work on that, nor would Velvet Revolver's playing. I think the Beatles did it perfectly. I agree with Ned, David Bowie did a pretty poor job of it. But Young Americans is an amazing song.

It's not just those, it's an all-star version:

VELVET REVOLVER will take part in an all-star live performance of THE BEATLES song "Across the Universe" during the 47th annual Grammy Awards celebration, according to Billboard.com. The song, which will also feature U2 lead singer Bono, Stevie Wonder, Norah Jones, Alicia Keys, Tim McGraw and Brian Wilson, will be immediately released to raise funds for tsunami relief efforts.

I tend not to like it when that's done, but I'm a fan of most of those artists, so I'm excited. I also like Rufus Wainwright's version, very tasty. :D

[Schyma]

It's not just those, it's an all-star version:

VELVET REVOLVER will take part in an all-star live performance of THE BEATLES song "Across the Universe" during the 47th annual Grammy Awards celebration, according to Billboard.com. The song, which will also feature U2 lead singer Bono, Stevie Wonder, Norah Jones, Alicia Keys, Tim McGraw and Brian Wilson, will be immediately released to raise funds for tsunami relief efforts.

I tend not to like it when that's done, but I'm a fan of most of those artists, so I'm excited. I also like Rufus Wainwright's version, very tasty. :D
They cant...the just cant...:upset:

[Ulysses]

my brother just showed me this VERY cool animation:

http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/cometogether.php

its awesome check it out

(appologies for the tripple post)

Very nice indeed, classy stuff :cool:

[lunch998]

They cant...the just cant...:upset:

That can't be legal.