The Beatles

[Seafroggys]

Yeah but Paul wasn't really a guitarist. And no, John was a pretty terrible guitarist. Besides, that's why I said he was the best all-around musician.

Sure, which voice you PREFER is subjective but technical ability is objective and honestly, Paul had a bigger range, more power, and was more versatile.

Have you ever watched the rooftop performance? All those solos were John's.

[morrison357]

Yeah I'd have to agree that Paul's voice is technically the best. But I also like John's voice a lot. I think George was the best all-around musician. He knew how to play a lot of instruments, and was really good at guitar and his sitar playing was pretty sweet. He also wrote some of the Beatles best songs, like While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Here Comes The Sun, and Something. His Solo career was also outstanding.

[Jacaranda]

George Solo > All others.
Paul > John> George > Ringo with Beatles.
Paul = George > John > Ringo talent wise.

Paul's basslines are what made the Beatles the Beatles.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

Paul was a control freak. The other 3 always seemed to have problems with Paul. He didn't like the fact Alen Klein was brought in (even though later he was right) because he wanted to control the band. And he had Linda, who was almost as bad as Yoko if we're talking about interfernce in the band, but no one ever talks about her.

Actually, I've read in Tony Bramwell's book that Linda never erally got in the way at all. According to him, it was mainly John bringing Yoko everywhere, such as the studio (the groups' Batcave, if you will), and that caused Paul to start bringing Linda. But I haven't read a single thing to suggest that Linda was anything but polite all the time.

I won't argue that Paul was a control freak, but that's not the only reason he didn't want Klein. The Rolling Stones, who had just gotten rid of Klein, told John and Paul bad things about him, and Paul took it to heart. Klein meanwhile serenaded John by stroking his ego, and George adn Ringo went along with it.

[morrison357]

George Solo > All others.
Paul > John> George > Ringo with Beatles.
Paul = George > John > Ringo talent wise.

Paul's basslines are what made the Beatles the Beatles.
I agree with you on pretty much all of that. I still think George is a little better of a musician than Paul, but really close. And George does have the best solo stuff.

[Up The Irons]

I don't know man Ringo is a very talented drummer I don't kno why you made him last talent-wise.


And I agree, George is my favorite solo artist of the Beatles. Some say that John and Paul only allowed George to have a few songs on each record so he was able to pour everything out from over the years especially on early stuff like All Things Must Pass, which is like, my favorite album at the moment.

[sr800bkBassist]

I don't know man Ringo is a very talented drummer I don't kno why you made him last talent-wise.



because he couldn't sing or play any other instruments.

[magicbus]

I find myself often skipping over Ringo's songs.

And I also agree on George's solo career being my favorite.

[Leper]

Ringo really isn't that great of a drummer. At least I've never heard anything great from him. But the Beatles weren't exactly a demanding band for a drummer, so I guess it didn't really matter.

[Music Man]

Please. Paul was by far the best all around musician of the four. He had undisputably the best voice, he was a great bassist, pianist, guitarist, and drummer. George? He was a very good guitarist who wrote some great solos but he was far from amazing. Oh but he played sitar so I guess he must be an excellent multi-instrumentalist.

Hear, hear!

I agree with just about everything you said, with the exception of George being a "very good" guitarist.

Actually, he was average at best for a rock guitarist. As far as lead guitar work goes, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" is one of the most highly regarded Beatle songs. But as many on this forum already know, Eric Clapton played lead on that particular song.

Paul--Bass guitar--Creatively and technically excellent.
John--Rhythm guitar--Creatively excellent, technically average.
George--Lead guitar--Creatively very good, technically average.
Ringo--Drums--Creatively and technically unremarkable. The great Buddy Rich described Ringo's drumming as "adequate", but was generally unimpressed.

[Music Man]

Ringo really isn't that great of a drummer. At least I've never heard anything great from him. But the Beatles weren't exactly a demanding band for a drummer, so I guess it didn't really matter.

John once stated, quite seriously, that Paul was a better drummer than Ringo.

Even a lot of big Beatle fans aren't aware that Paul (with John's and George Martin's full knowledge and approval) would fairly frequently go in the studio after a recording session, and replace Ringo's sub-par drum tracks with his own.

[Music Man]

yoko?!?!?! are u kidding me.... she is rediculous.... if u disagree go watch the Rolling Stones Rock n Roll circus..... i think she is a big part of destroying the Beatles

There's no doubt she played a definite part in their break-up, though I wouldn't lay the lion's share at her feet.

I think John's unhealthy obsession with her probably played as big a part as her own actions. That along with his out of control drug use, caused a lot of problems within the band. He was pretty unreliable the last couple years or so that they were together.

George and Ringo weren't happy with Yoko's negative influence, either. Paul was simply more vocal in his criticism of her.

[Music Man]

Paul was a control freak. The other 3 always seemed to have problems with Paul. He didn't like the fact Alen Klein was brought in (even though later he was right) because he wanted to control the band. And he had Linda, who was almost as bad as Yoko if we're talking about interfernce in the band, but no one ever talks about her.

John was just as big a control freak, and became increasingly hard to deal with as his drug use escalated, and his obsession with Yoko grew.

Paul had to exert more control, in an effort to keep the band together. He knew as well as anybody that after 1967, the band was steadily coming apart at the seams.

By even the admission of a number of his close friends and associates, John was a deeply flawed human being.

[Up The Irons]

Even a lot of big Beatle fans aren't aware that Paul (with John's and George Martin's full knowledge and approval) would fairly frequently go in the studio after a recording session, and replace Ringo's sub-par drum tracks with his own.

That I did not know.

I do love the drumming on Beatles records is all I am going to say.

[Seafroggys]

John once stated, quite seriously, that Paul was a better drummer than Ringo.

Even a lot of big Beatle fans aren't aware that Paul (with John's and George Martin's full knowledge and approval) would fairly frequently go in the studio after a recording session, and replace Ringo's sub-par drum tracks with his own.

you lie.....

Since you seem to know everything about John being a bastard, then you should know that sarcasm and wit were part of his daily routine. It was a joke.

On top of that, being a drummer, I can recognize players just by the sound of the drumming. The drumming on Ballad of John and Yoko and Back in the USSR (Paul's drumming songs) feels far different then every other Beatles song out there.

So that too is a lie.

I don't think John was a control freak (maybe with Paul in the early years)....he wanted out of The Beatles in 1966 (according to one of his early post-Beatles interviews, which may just be anger) because he didn't have the flexibility he needed as an artist....yes, thats more control, but you can't be a control freak if you dont have it.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

Ringo's actually a pretty good drummer, as evidenced by the entire Abbey Road album, but Oh! Darling in particular.

I don't think John was a control freak (maybe with Paul in the early years)....he wanted out of The Beatles in 1966 (according to one of his early post-Beatles interviews, which may just be anger)

John wasn't really the textbook definition of a control freak, but he was very cocky and egotistical at times. And yeah, John said in the Anthology book that he realized he wanted out while he was filming How I Won the War, which was in 1966.

John once stated, quite seriously, that Paul was a better drummer than Ringo.

Even a lot of big Beatle fans aren't aware that Paul (with John's and George Martin's full knowledge and approval) would fairly frequently go in the studio after a recording session, and replace Ringo's sub-par drum tracks with his own.

The comment you're referring to was an off-hand comment made by Lennon to an interviewer pertaining to Ringo's skill, and as such should not be judged "quite seriously". Come on, the infamous Lennon witticism? Yeah. And as for the whole "Paul went in and re-recorded Ringo all the time" claim, I have never read that, I have never seen/heard anyone affiliated with the band say that. Ever. If you would provide a link and a credible source, then maybe it's believable, but as of right now your claim is highly doubtful.

[Leper]

Ringo's actually a pretty good drummer, as evidenced by the entire Abbey Road album, but Oh! Darling in particular.

Umm...what's so amazing about his drumming in Oh Darling? He does a couple neat drum fills, but nothing amazing...

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

I never said "amazing", did I? I just said that he was pretty good, and better than most people give him credit for.

[Leper]

I never said "amazing", did I? I just said that he was pretty good, and better than most people give him credit for.

Ahh I see. Well IMO Ringo was simply just "good enough."

[Music Man]

"Ringo Starr was adequate. No more than that."

---Buddy Rich

[Music Man]

Umm...what's so amazing about his drumming in Oh Darling? He does a couple neat drum fills, but nothing amazing...

I agree with you.

What was "amazing" about ANY of his drumming?

[sr800bkBassist]

"Ringo Starr was adequate. No more than that."

---Buddy Rich
J.D. Salinger said Hemmingway was a horrible author.
both are among the best American authors ever.

just because one great mind disapproves of another, doesn't mean he's right.

[Music Man]

J.D. Salinger said Hemmingway was a horrible author.
both are among the best American authors ever.

just because one great mind disapproves of another, doesn't mean he's right.

J.D. Salinger's ALLEGED opinion of Hemingway, does absolutely nothing to "prove" that Ringo is a "great" drummer.

Your comparison is invalid and irrelevant.

[Music Man]

"Best drummer in the world? He wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles!"

---John Lennon

[sr800bkBassist]

J.D. Salinger's ALLEGED opinion of Hemingway, does absolutely nothing to "prove" that Ringo is a "great" drummer.

Your comparison is invalid and irrelevant.
my point was that your use on Buddy Rich's quote to describe Ringo means as much as what J.D. Salinger said about Hemmingway.

[Leper]

J.D. Salinger's ALLEGED opinion of Hemingway, does absolutely nothing to "prove" that Ringo is a "great" drummer.

Your comparison is invalid and irrelevant.

You sir are an idiot.

[Music Man]

"We always gave Ringo direction on every single number. It was usually very controlled. Whoever had written the song, John for instance, would say, "I want this." Obviously, a lot of things came out of what Ringo was playing, but we would always control it."

---Paul McCartney

[Dave de Sylvia]

You sir are an idiot.
I agree with this insult.

[Music Man]

You sir are an idiot.

I was basically agreeing with you in this thread. Sorry you feel the need to make a personal attack.

Please explain what J.D. Salinger's alleged opinion of Hemingway has to do with "proving" that Ringo is a "great" drummer.

Buddy Rich was simply giving his honest, professional opinion of Ringo's playing. To claim that his statement was based on professional "jealousy" or something similar, is pure assumption on the other poster's part.

[Music Man]

I agree with this insult.

Then perhaps you could explain what J.D. Salinger's alleged opinion of Hemingway has to do with "proving" that Ringo is a "great" drummer.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Nothing.

[sr800bkBassist]

Then perhaps you could explain what J.D. Salinger's alleged opinion of Hemingway has to do with "proving" that Ringo is a "great" drummer.
it's not, it's proving the Buddy Rich's opinion is not valid.

he may be average, but Buddy Rich's opinion is as valid as anyone else's.

[Dave de Sylvia]

No, that's not right either.

[sr800bkBassist]

No, that's not right either.
to say that it is valid is to say that J.D. Salinger is correct in saying that Hemmingway is a bad author. he may be correct or he may not, but either way it is not because HE said so. his opinion of Hemmingway has nothing to do with it. just like Buddy Rich's opinion of Ringo is insignificant. Ringo may be a good drummer, he may be average, he may be crap, but Buddy Rich is not one to say, just like Salinger is not one to say.

he is a human and humans have opinions.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Well I think you might want to reword your post considering the first sentence says Buddy Rich's opinion isn't valid and the second says everyone's opinion is equally valid (invalid?)

[Music Man]

my point was that your use on Buddy Rich's quote to describe Ringo means as much as what J.D. Salinger said about Hemmingway.

Not necessarily true.

Salinger's alleged opinion of Hemingway was apparently based on professional jealousy. Calling somebody's work "horrible" is clearly insulting.

However, you cannot automatically assume that Rich's statement was based on professional jealousy.

First of all, he described Starr's playing as "adequate", which isn't an insulting or demeaning remark.

If Rich was merely driven by professional jealousy, he could've stated something like "Ringo's horrible" or "Ringo stinks", which are clear attacks.

However, his use of the word "adequate" is clearly not an attack. Thus it appears that he was simply giving his honest, professional opinion on Ringo's playing. There are plenty of professional drummers who have the same opinion of Ringo as Rich does.

[Music Man]

Nothing.

Thanks. We agree.

Sorry you feel the need to insult me.

[sr800bkBassist]

Not necessarily true.

Salinger's alleged opinion of Hemingway was apparently based on professional jealousy. Calling somebody's work "horrible" is clearly insulting.

However, you cannot automatically assume that Rich's statement was based on professional jealousy.

First of all, he described Starr's playing as "adequate", which isn't an insulting or demeaning remark.

If Rich was merely driven by professional jealousy, he could've stated something like "Ringo's horrible" or "Ringo stinks", which are clear attacks.

However, his use of the word "adequate" is clearly not an attack. Thus it appears that he was simply giving his honest, professional opinion on Ringo's playing. There are plenty of professional drummers who have the same opinion of Ringo as Rich does.
Salinger's opinion was not proffessional jealousy. if you pay attention to his writing style, you can tell why he'd dislike Hemmingway and Fitzgerald. i can't remember the name of the author, but he considered the author of Moby Dick to be one of the greatest of all time. so he still liked certain authors, but disliked modernists.

[Music Man]

Salinger's opinion was not proffessional jealousy. if you pay attention to his writing style, you can tell why he'd dislike Hemmingway and Fitzgerald. i can't remember the name of the author, but he considered the author of Moby Dick to be one of the greatest of all time. so he still liked certain authors, but disliked modernists.

Regardless of Salinger's reasoning for denouncing Hemingway, it still does nothing to "prove" that Buddy Rich's opinion of Starr's playing is wrong.

Rich never stated that Starr was "horrible", or that he "disliked" Starr's playing.

He merely described it as "adequate", which isn't an attack on either Starr's ability or person. And there are a number of other professional drummers who agree with Rich in regard to Starr's playing.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

"Best drummer in the world? He wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles!"

You're bandying this phrase around like it was Lennon's mantra regarding Ringo. Every credible source I've checked alleged that the comment was a joke; an example of Lennon's sense of humour.

[Dragon_Prince]

LOL ...

Opinions could be valid and invalid, yes, but you have experts in stuff.
Look, about people liking each others (writing)style it is always an opinion.
But technability will be facts because you can proove how good someone is.
Let me make it better for you,
Bert hated Ernies playingstyle on the drums, but he thought he was a great drummer.
Ernie loved Berts style on the drums, but he thought he was a bad drummer.
First thing: opinion -> style
Second thing: fact -> technibilaty

And then there are people you call experts, certainly a doctor his advice would be much better on someone's health than a random guy ...

[sr800bkBassist]

LOL ...

Opinions could be valid and invalid, yes, but you have experts in stuff.
Look, about people liking each others (writing)style it is always an opinion.
But technability will be facts because you can proove how good someone is.
Let me make it better for you,
Bert hated Ernies playingstyle on the drums, but he thought he was a great drummer.
Ernie loved Berts style on the drums, but he thought he was a bad drummer.
First thing: opinion -> style
Second thing: fact -> technibilaty

And then there are people you call experts, certainly a doctor his advice would be much better on someone's health than a random guy ...
well Salinger not only claimed to dislike Hemmingway, but he actually said his writing, itself, was merely second-rate.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Thanks. We agree.

Sorry you feel the need to insult me.
No, you're still an idiot.

[Dragon_Prince]

well Salinger not only claimed to dislike Hemmingway, but he actually said his writing, itself, was merely second-rate.


OMG did he :| wooooow
So you say if Salinger makes mistakes and say stupid things, everyone does.

Woow great conclusion, that will mean you are talking **** yourself ;)

[sr800bkBassist]

what?

[Dragon_Prince]

exactly!

Well, you say Salinger has critic on someones technibilaty which has no good argument etc etc. SO he is wrong. And you sa because he is wrong that guy who criticized Ringo is wrong. So you say because Salinger is wrong, every random guy is wrong because opinions aren't valid blahblahblah

[sr800bkBassist]

exactly!

Well, you say Salinger has critic on someones technibilaty which has no good argument etc etc. SO he is wrong. And you sa because he is wrong that guy who criticized Ringo is wrong. So you say because Salinger is wrong, every random guy is wrong because opinions aren't valid blahblahblah
no, i'm saying that they aren't valid enough for an arguement.

everyone's opinion has value, but if you were arguing a point, the way Music Man was about ringo's drumming, you need a concrete fact, not another opinion.

[Dragon_Prince]

But the opinion of a specialist is always used as an argument.

Like, the guy who studies medicins said I need to go to a doctor, so that is an argument to go to the doctor ;)
And the guy who knows much about music says I'm not really technical, so that means the specialist would probably know that better. And if you heart the music you will understand why ;) he is good at keeping beat he doesn't have special tricks it's adequate

[sr800bkBassist]

But the opinion of a specialist is always used as an argument.

Like, the guy who studies medicins said I need to go to a doctor, so that is an argument to go to the doctor ;)
And the guy who knows much about music says I'm not really technical, so that means the specialist would probably know that better. And if you heart the music you will understand why ;) he is good at keeping beat he doesn't have special tricks it's adequate
the guy who studies medicine bases his advice for you to go to the doctor on percentages, facts, and science in general. you can't neccessarily compare an objective proffession involving science/math to a subjective proffession like art or music.

if the guy who said you weren't technical presented you with facts, then you could trust him.

if Buddy Rich had given reasoning, his quote could be concrete. but it's not. saying "he said he is good/is not good/is mediocre, so he must be," is not a valid arguement. Music Man kept presenting quick quotes by Lennon, McCartney, and Buddy Rich that were quickly spoken remarks regarding his skill. if Music Man quoted Buddy Rich as saying "as you can hear in this song, Ringo's playing does not compare to the drumming in [insert band here], [insert band here], or even [insert band here]. his fills are not as well thought out as _______'s, his technique blah blah blah blah blah," then it would be a concrete quote.

[Music Man]

But the opinion of a specialist is always used as an argument.

Like, the guy who studies medicins said I need to go to a doctor, so that is an argument to go to the doctor ;)
And the guy who knows much about music says I'm not really technical, so that means the specialist would probably know that better. And if you heart the music you will understand why ;) he is good at keeping beat he doesn't have special tricks it's adequate

Exactly.

Buddy Rich is considered one of the greatest drummers in history. He is an internationally recognized authority on the art of drumming.

So his opinion carries a lot more weight than unknown individuals posting on an internet site.

He was clearly giving an honest, EXPERT opinion on Starr's playing. Calling somebody "adequate" is NOT a personal attack or professional jealousy.

If I wanted an opinion on heart surgery, I'd go to a heart specialist. I sure wouldn't go to a gas station.

And if I want an opinion on drumming, I value Rich's opinion over that of unknown internet posters.

And I never said the Ringo "sucks" or that he was a "bad" drummer. So I'm not here to attack him. I'm simply saying he wasn't the allegedly "incredible" and "great" drummer that Beatles fanboys claim he was.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

It is very uncommon for someone to claim Ringo "incredible", and have you purposefully just been ignoring my posts, or what?

[Music Man]

"I did quickly realize that Ringo was an excellent drummer for what was required. He's not a technical drummer. Men like Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa would run rings around him, but he is a good solid rock drummer with a steady beat, and he knows how to get the right sound out of his drums."

---George Martin

In other words, Starr was ADEQUATE---but certainly not in the same league as GREAT drummers like Rich and Krupa.

Gee, who should we believe---anonymous internet posters at Sputnik Music---or the producer who directly supervised hundreds of Beatle recording sessions?

[6stringed]

hmm jeez I wonder

[Seafroggys]

Ringo's inspired more drummers to pick up sticks then anybody else in the world combined....since you lived in the 60s (apparently) you should know this.

His influence and his style is what makes his greatness, not that the fact that he can do paradiddles at 360 bpm or polyrhthmic patterns with 16th on the bass and triplets on the ride.

Ringo, on my list of drummers, is #3. He inspired me to play set, his style is absolutly wonderful, and he drums in my favorite band. Plus his drums sound better then anything I've heard before in my life. Listen to Abbey Road and try and tell me those drums sound 'adequate'. Oh wait, cause if you use adequate, its not an insult so I can't call you on it.

[Dave de Sylvia]

In other words, Starr was ADEQUATE---but certainly not in the same league as GREAT drummers like Rich and Krupa.

Gee, who should we believe---anonymous internet posters at Sputnik Music---or the producer who directly supervised hundreds of Beatle recording sessions?

The funny thing is you still don't understand the really basic point the guy was making.

[Seafroggys]

well I get confused

In the CR thread, he's talking about how since an album is popular, and original because it used synthesizers (when in fact ELP, the Beatles, Moody Blues, and King Crimson used them before Townshend did) then it has to be better, as in a factual statement.

My feeling is that in this thread, he's takling about how Ringo is not a godlike drummer.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Oh no, you're well on top of the point. I meant the 40 year old virgin up there.

[El_Goodo]

I come this thread for the first time I a long while, and I find people insulting Ringo! Ringo was an excellent drummer, he knew how to play with the others. I doubt too many drummers are as versatile as Ringo. Being in the Beatles he had to make drum's for all different types on genre's. His fills are so tight, and even on the first album the whole band sounds so tight. Compare that to the Who's first record where the drums are poorly recorded and it sounds like Keith Moon is all over the place (which was a big part of the who's sound) but compared to the Beatles first album the Who sounded like amateurs.

And now to drop some quotes, since that seems to be the popular thing.

"Ringo's a damn good drummer. He was always a good drummer. He's not technically good, but I think Ringo's drumming is underrated the same way Paul's base-playing is underrated. Paul and Ringo stand up anywhere with any of the rock musicians." And that was in 1980 when John was finally looking back on his Beatles past happily.

"Ringo could be the best rock ''n'' roll drummer -- or at least one of the best rock and roll drummers ... He does fills which crack up people like Jim Keltner. He's just amazed because Ringo starts them in the wrong place and all of that, but that is brilliance, that's pure feel."

"I think he's vastly underrated. The drum fills on A Day In The Life are very complex things. You could take a great drummer today and say, 'I want it like that.' They wouldn't know what to do."

"Sgt. Pepper was the album that changed drumming more than anything else. Before that album, drum fills in rock and roll were pretty rudimentary, all much the same, and this record had what I call space fills where they would leave a tremendous amount of air. It was most appealing to me musically and the sound of the drums got much better. What I had to figure out now was what am I going to do to get drums to sound like that."

http://web2.airmail.net/gshultz/drumpage.html go there for some more

[Dragon_Prince]

Ringo's inspired more drummers to pick up sticks then anybody else in the world combined....since you lived in the 60s (apparently) you should know this.



No ... Keith Moon, John Bonham and Ginger Baker had much more influence than he, they still have influence now, Ringo has almsot no influence now ...

[Lunch]

Apparently Al Kooper never heard Ginger Baker play.

[El_Goodo]

No ... Keith Moon, John Bonham and Ginger Baker had much more influence than he, they still have influence now, Ringo has almsot no influence now ...

How did they influence more people? Ringo has no influence? Then what drummer are the 25+million people who bought The Beatles #1's cd in 2000 listening to? The Beatles have sold more records than all those drummer's bands, and therefore more people have heard them. I haven't heard any drummer today that sounds like Moon, Bonham, or Baker. Most band's seem to prefer the tight knit style of Ringo (althoug minus alot of the fills that Ringo did).

All the members of the beatles were a crucial part! John Lennon and Paul probably would have either pissed of Keith Moon till the point that he would have quit, or they would have got rid of him because he could not play what they wanted. Ringo's personality also probably helped keep the band together a little longer. And we can't forget his great vocal performances, With A Little Help From My Friends, and Yellow Submarine wouldn't have sounded the same with anyone else. And Octopus Garden is a great song, and Don't Pass Me By to a lesser extent.

[masada]

Who are the Beatles?

[Lunch]

Bonham and Baker have more influence relevant to this day than Ringo does, I think.

And note, just because the Beatles have sole more records does not directly correlate to more influence. I enjoy the Beatles occasionally and am a drummer myself, but when I listen to them it doesn't automatically mean that Ringo influences my playing.

[sr800bkBassist]

Who are the Beatles?
bunch of old guys who did drugs and sang about walruses.

no big deal, really.

[El_Goodo]

Bonham and Baker have more influence relevant to this day than Ringo does, I think.

And note, just because the Beatles have sole more records does not directly correlate to more influence. I enjoy the Beatles occasionally and am a drummer myself, but when I listen to them it doesn't automatically mean that Ringo influences my playing.

How so? I haven't heard a drum solo in ages, which was basically Bonham's claim to fame. Besides the drum solos I don't think there's anything that Bonham can do that Ringo can't. In the context of the song's Ringo's on the same playing field. I'm listening to Dazed and Confused and the beginning's drums remind of ringo's and the filles are reminiscent of Come Together. Name a modern band that sounds more like one of those two people rather than Ringo.

[Lunch]

Interesting you should compare the drumming on Dazed and Confused to that of Come Together, when you should consider Dazed and Confused was recorded in late 1968 and released in January 1969, while Abbey Road wasn't released until September that year.

Have you ever listened to Led Zeppelin? If you think all Bonham was known for was Moby Dick, it appears as though you haven't. Bonhan is known primarily for his unbelievable power, thunderous performance, groove, but also his touch and the other dimension of his playing that he developed as Led Zeppelin grew and progressed together as a group (compare Bonham's drumming on No Quarter to his early blues bursts on LZ I). Also, I'd like to see Ringo play Bonham signatures like Achilles Last Stand or In My Time of Dying, or hell, even When the Levee Breaks.

Ringo had influence because he was the first to usher in the new age of drumming in rock, not because he is better than all the drummers who came after him. His influence is trackable to an extent, but it eventually becomes obvious that Bonham (and Baker before him) were there to take drumming to the next level and improve on what Ringo did. Bonham and Baker became the leaders in ushering in almost all heavy rock and metal drumming after their time and are both superior in ability (at least from what we can tell from the recordings of the era).

While it is true that many simple drummers of today would possibily site Ringo as an influence, I don't think his influence is any more widespread than all the drummers today who still look back to what Bonham did with his great dynamics, rhythm, and power. Also, Bonham is still recognized for being a relatively simple drummer, more concerned with touch and groove than showing off (much like Ringo) although more drummers would site Bonham as more an influence because he had more dimensions and was ultimately a better player than Ringo.

[6stringed]

bunch of old guys who did drugs and sang about walruses.

no big deal, really.

No big deal? ha wow its not like in the
United Kingdom alone they have released more
than forty different singles, albums and EPs that
have reached number one.

sorry, just had to say

[guitrguy]

He was being sarcastic.

[Leper]

How did they influence more people? Ringo has no influence? Then what drummer are the 25+million people who bought The Beatles #1's cd in 2000 listening to? The Beatles have sold more records than all those drummer's bands, and therefore more people have heard them. I haven't heard any drummer today that sounds like Moon, Bonham, or Baker. Most band's seem to prefer the tight knit style of Ringo (althoug minus alot of the fills that Ringo did).



I am a drummer, I own more Beatles records than I do Who or Zeppelin records, yet I find my playing FAR more influenced by Bonham and Moon than Ringo. Album sales does not necessarily mean influence. I'll agree that The Beatles have probably influenced more bands than the Who or Zeppelin, but there is no way in hell Ringo has influenced more drummers than Moon or Bonham.

[6stringed]

He was being sarcastic.

shut up,:o I'm not that smart

[Dragon_Prince]

How did they influence more people? Ringo has no influence? Then what drummer are the 25+million people who bought The Beatles #1's cd in 2000 listening to? The Beatles have sold more records than all those drummer's bands, and therefore more people have heard them. I haven't heard any drummer today that sounds like Moon, Bonham, or Baker. Most band's seem to prefer the tight knit style of Ringo (althoug minus alot of the fills that Ringo did).

All the members of the beatles were a crucial part! John Lennon and Paul probably would have either pissed of Keith Moon till the point that he would have quit, or they would have got rid of him because he could not play what they wanted. Ringo's personality also probably helped keep the band together a little longer. And we can't forget his great vocal performances, With A Little Help From My Friends, and Yellow Submarine wouldn't have sounded the same with anyone else. And Octopus Garden is a great song, and Don't Pass Me By to a lesser extent.


I said he almost has no influence now, what drummer that lives today puts on a Beatle track to hear their incredible drummer, well none.
Well I'm a drummer too I get most of my inspiration from Moon and I love Baker andBonham's drumming, simply because it is amazing.
And you don't hear drummers that play like Moon, Bonham or Baker because al most no one can match them in skills ... Ringo is easy to play you hear drummers like him because that beats are the basic too drumming(and don't say he made those beats ;) because that isn't true)

[Danger Bird]

Anybody else see those commercials with All You Need is Love and Got To Get You Into My Life?

Damn Michael Jackson.

[clown_phobia]

I hate the thought of beatles songs in commercials...

[6stringed]

I hate the thought of beatles songs in commercials...

yeah. it just kinda ruins the song a bit

[Leper]

I don't think it ruins them at all. Songs like All You Need Is Love and Got To Get You Into My Life were more or less made for commercials...except for the fact that Paul wrote GTGYIML about weed haha.

[morrison357]

I thought Paul wrote GTGYIML about LSD. I could be wrong, but I think I've heard that before.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

He wrote Got To Get You Into My Life about marijuana, as he stated in the Anthology book. And I'm on the fence about Beatles songs on commercials. What was worse was when Paul did the halftime show. Two days later, I started seeing commercials of Destiny's Child singing a crap version of Drive My Car.

[Leper]

Haha, that's unfortunate. He put on the best half-time show I've ever seen though. Infinitely better than that N'Sync-Aerosmith piece of **** show the year before.

[sr800bkBassist]

seeing Beatles songs in commercials really bothers me.

it's like somebody taking a classic painting and using it to advertise gum.

[Danger Bird]

The worst part is that All You Need is Love is so anti-commercial. It's being used to advertise credit cards, for christ's sake. The song basically says "hey, you don't need all this crap!" We should surprise Chase with a flood of angry letters. Or explosives. No, letters. Definately letters.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

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[Lunch]

The worst offense ever was when some stock company or something like E-Trade or whatever used Volunteer's by Jefferson Airplane in their commercial. That was a travesty.

[Seafroggys]

yeah I hate Beatles songs in commercial. When Nike put Revolution in their ads from the late 80s, that really riled Paul up.

Back on the topic of Ringo....

the reason why I said hes been more influential then everybody else combined is for one reason: 2-9-64. Over 70 million people in the US saw their debut American performance. Everybody saw Ringo....he was towering over the band, and he played Ludwigs. During that next year or two, Ludwig was hard pressed to pump out units fast enough, because everyone wanted one....because Ringo played one! Everybody started playing matched grip, because Ringo was the first one to do it (in the 20th century at least).

Those 2 years in itself are enough to topple everybody else.

Do others influence me? Hell yeah. Moon, Mitchell, and Paice are my three big influences right now. Of course, Paice started playing drums because of Ringo, as with me. Imagine that.

[sr800bkBassist]

yeah I hate Beatles songs in commercial. When Nike put Revolution in their ads from the late 80s, that really riled Paul up.

Back on the topic of Ringo....

the reason why I said hes been more influential then everybody else combined is for one reason: 2-9-64. Over 70 million people in the US saw their debut American performance. Everybody saw Ringo....he was towering over the band, and he played Ludwigs. During that next year or two, Ludwig was hard pressed to pump out units fast enough, because everyone wanted one....because Ringo played one! Everybody started playing matched grip, because Ringo was the first one to do it (in the 20th century at least).

Those 2 years in itself are enough to topple everybody else.

Do others influence me? Hell yeah. Moon, Mitchell, and Paice are my three big influences right now. Of course, Paice started playing drums because of Ringo, as with me. Imagine that.
i also heard he was the first to use a drum rise.

[El_Goodo]

We'll I guess it's debatable over his technicl skill, but what's not debatable is that he had/has a great influence on drummers like SeaFroggy's said. And he was the template for what a rock drummer was, he didn't count bars, he played the song. And on the opening track of Sgt. Pepper he played drums the way that he believed modern drumming was headed.

Ringo Starr's drumming was tasteful, precise, and imaginative. Ringo also changed the traditional way of holding drum sticks. Before Ringo, nearly all drummers held drum sticks with the "traditional" grip, with the left hand stick held like a chopstick.

'Before Ringo, drum stars were measured by their soloing ability and virtuosity,' says drummer Steve Smith. 'Ringo's popularity brought forth a new paradigm in how the public saw drummers. We started to see the drummer as an equal participant in the compositional aspect. One of Ringo's great qualities was that he composed unique, stylistic drum parts for The Beatles songs. His parts are so signature to the songs that you can listen to a Ringo drum part without the rest of the music, and still identify the song.'

Starr is left-handed yet plays a right-handed kit; his tendency to lead with his left hand contributes to his distinctive drumming style.

Starr is also notable for having advanced various modern drumming techniques (for playing and recording) such as the matched grip, placing the drums on high risers for visibility as part of the band, tuning the drums lower, and using muffling devices on tonal rings, along with his general contributions to The Beatles as a whole.


Well I guess he did have little influence, no one plays with his style of grip anymore do they, and everyone's seem to gone back to viewing drummers as non-important members to the band /sarcasm

And on a final note I don't think Bonham or Moon ever really had to play the drums and sing, or wrote any songs for their band. Although I believe Moon had a succesful solo cd...

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

While I concur with everything you've said, Bonham did make songwriting contributions to Led Zeppelin in songs like Kashmir and The Ocean. Other than that you're spot on.

[El_Goodo]

While I concur with everything you've said, Bonham did make songwriting contributions to Led Zeppelin in songs like Kashmir and The Ocean. Other than that you're spot on.

Was that honesty or is their some sarcasm? I can't tell.

[Jacaranda]

Ringo's contributions to the Beatles song writing is laughable. I can't believe anyone is trying to argue Starr over Moon or even Bonham. I'm no drummer but this is like trying to say that John was a superb guitarist. Its just not true.
Influence isn't everything.

[Lunch]

Actually, Moon sang on a few Who tracks, most notably Bell Boy. Not that it matters though. If I want someone who can do both I'll go to Levon Helm (of the Band), who destroys Ringo in both categories.

An when looking at Sgt. Pepper's to try and see Ringo's influence, don't forget that Moon and Baker already had recordings released the previous year that showed maybe just a little bit more about where rock drumming was headed than Ringo did on Sgt. Pepper's.

[Jacaranda]

Or better yet that Canadian dude from Death From Above 1979.

As for writing Peart writes far more songs and is far superior technically.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

While I concur with everything you've said, Bonham did make songwriting contributions to Led Zeppelin in songs like Kashmir and The Ocean. Other than that you're spot on.

Complete and utter honesty.

[El_Goodo]

Ringo's contributions to the Beatles song writing is laughable. I can't believe anyone is trying to argue Starr over Moon or even Bonham. I'm no drummer but this is like trying to say that John was a superb guitarist. Its just not true.
Influence isn't everything.

Octopus Garden is a classic, and all the song's Ringo sing's Paul and John wrote especially for him to song, I doubt Paul or John would have sang a song like With A Little Help From My Friends, or Yellow Submarine. And one night after work in the studio Ringo mixed two phrases together and ended up saying "It's been a hard days night," guess what song John wrote after that? And Ringo's easy-going personality helped the band through alot of tough times.

Speaking of John why is that most people sooner pick on Ringo for not performing 30 minute drum solo's at the end of every track, rather than John for not playing like Jimi Hendrix.

And I think we can all agree that The Beatles had a big influence at least on the who (listen to the kids are alright, more of a blatant beatles rip-off than anything Oasis ever did), and to a certain extent on Led Zeppelin (Fool In The Rain?).

[Jacaranda]

And Ringo's easy-going personality helped the band through alot of tough times.
Ya really got them through '69.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

Dude, nothing could have gotten them through 1969.

[Lunch]

The Beatles were a fairly insignificant influence on the Who compared to the Stones, in terms of strictly music.

No is picking on Ringo, we are all just questioning how great he really can be riding mostly on the 'influence' card. No one does that to John because John wrote some of the most famous and lasting rock songs in history and has placed himself in the elite class of rock songwriters in terms of compositions and creativity.

[El_Goodo]

The Beatles were a fairly insignificant influence on the Who compared to the Stones, in terms of strictly music.

And the Beatles influenced the Stones...

They wanted a song and we went to see what kind of stuff they did. Paul had this bit of a song and we played it roughly for them and they said, 'Yeah, OK, that's our style.' But it was only really a lick, so Paul and I went off in the corner of the room and finished the song off while they were all sitting there, talking. We came back and Mick and Keith said, 'Jesus, look at that. They just went over there and wrote it.'

We gave it to them. It was a throwaway. Ringo sang it for us and the Stones did their version. It shows how much importance we put on them. We weren't going to give them anything great, right? That was the Stones' first record. Anyway, Mick and Keith said, 'If they can write a song so easily, we should try it.' They say it inspired them to start writing together."

I think Mick got jealous. I was always very respectful of Mick and the Stones, but he said a lot of sort of tarty things about the Beatles, which I am hurt by because, you know, I can knock the Beatles, but don't let Mick Jagger knock them.[I] I would like to just list what we did and what the Stones did two months after on every ****in' album. Every ****in' thing we did, Mick does exactly the same - he imitates us.

You know, Satanic Majesties is Pepper; ``We Love You,'' it's the most ****in' bull****, that's ``All You Need Is Love.''

And truthfully listening to The Who sings My Generation I can hear pretty much an equal amount of Stones and Beatles influences, and on their latter work when they started becoming more experimental on their concept albums and more melody based it's more leaning towards the beatles.

Also by saying stricly music wise your making it seem like The Beatles weren't a rock n' roll band listen to Please Please Me, With The Beatles, and their other early records. The vocal performances on Twist N' Shout, Rock N' Roll Music, Money, and Helter Skelter all either top or equal any other rock vocal performances.

That's my last comment of the night, I can hardly keep my eye's open...that's what happens when you discover and old SNES and end up playing Yoshi's Island all day ;).

[sr800bkBassist]

hahahahahhhahahaha, that quote is why Lennon is so cool.

[Jacaranda]

Or a conceited prick.

And the Beatles influenced the Stones...
Hold up, when did this happen?

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

I always figured it was fairly obvious. The Stones were definitely influenced by the Beatles.

Or a conceited prick.

As opposed to Mick Jagger?

[Jacaranda]

I always figured it was fairly obvious. The Stones were definitely influenced by the Beatles.
Well I never even thought of that.

As opposed to Mick Jagger?
Thats only because he was copying John obviously.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

My god-like intuition alerts me that you were more than likely being sarcastic, and I overlooked it.

Thats only because he was copying John.

I feel they were both assholes in their own right.

[Up The Irons]

I never seemed to get into the Stone's music anyhow, it never resonated with me.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

The Stones are very hit and miss with me. When they hit, they hit hard, and when they miss, they miss by alot.

[Leper]

Haha wow when Lennon gets on a thought he gets kind of riled up doesn't he?

Thats only because he was copying John obviously.

You remind me so much of Stephen Colbert sometimes.

[Dragon_Prince]

And truthfully listening to The Who sings My Generation I can hear pretty much an equal amount of Stones and Beatles influences, and on their latter work when they started becoming more experimental on their concept albums and more melody based it's more leaning towards the beatles.


Idd music driven by bass and drums was exactly what the beatles did ;) 8-) I mean listen to happy jack that's really a ''Help!'' rip off 8-) i think The Who almost has no influence of The Beatles, and musicly The Who just owns The Beatles

[sr800bkBassist]

Idd music driven by bass and drums was exactly what the beatles did ;) 8-) I mean listen to happy jack that's really a ''Help!'' rip off 8-) i think The Who almost has no influence of The Beatles, and musicly The Who just owns The Beatles
i think they're a pretty separate band and had a little tiny bit of influence but not much.

however, you have to admit that "The Kids are Alright" practically is the Beatles.

[Music Man]

well I get confused

In the CR thread, he's talking about how since an album is popular, and original because it used synthesizers (when in fact ELP, the Beatles, Moody Blues, and King Crimson used them before Townshend did) then it has to be better, as in a factual statement.

My feeling is that in this thread, he's takling about how Ringo is not a godlike drummer.

I never claimed that Townshend was the first to use synthesizers.

You're obviously confused, to use your own word.

[Music Man]

Ringo's inspired more drummers to pick up sticks then anybody else in the world combined....since you lived in the 60s (apparently) you should know this.

His influence and his style is what makes his greatness, not that the fact that he can do paradiddles at 360 bpm or polyrhthmic patterns with 16th on the bass and triplets on the ride.

Ringo, on my list of drummers, is #3. He inspired me to play set, his style is absolutly wonderful, and he drums in my favorite band. Plus his drums sound better then anything I've heard before in my life. Listen to Abbey Road and try and tell me those drums sound 'adequate'. Oh wait, cause if you use adequate, its not an insult so I can't call you on it.

In his several decades on television and in movies, singing cowboy Roy Rogers inspired God only knows how many kids to pick up a guitar. It damn sure doesn't make him a "great" guitarist.

Any average joe drummer could've been sitting on that stage on Feb. 9, 1964---and would've become an overnight sensation. And it wouldn't have made a single one of them "great".

Ringo was at the right place at the right time. He rode the McCartney-Lennon train to fame. If the dynamic duo hadn't chosen him to be their drummer, he'd be a virtual unknown today.

[El_Goodo]

My god-like intuition alerts me that you were more than likely being sarcastic, and I overlooked it.



I feel they were both assholes in their own right.

Are you sure you didn't mean... in their own write? /laughs at stupid Lennon pun.

Hold up, when did this happen?

Did you not read my quote telling you how the Stones were influenced the Beatles. Do you even know who what the Stones first number one hit was? It was a little diddy the Beatles wrote called I Wanna Be Your Man, which Ringo sang, it was basically a throwaway for the Beatles standards, but The Stones rode it to the top.

Not to mention Decca (I think thats the label) came to George Harrison after the Beatles became huge, because they felt like idiots for missing such an opportunity and asked George if he knew of any other bands, and George got them to sign The Rolling Stones.

And as for Lennon being a prick, I'll get you the first part of that quote

No, I never do see him. We saw a bit of each other when Allen [Klein, Beatles' late-period manager] was first coming in - I think Mick got jealous. I was always very respectful of Mick and the Stones, but he said a lot of sort of tarty things about the Beatles, which I am hurt by because, you know, I can knock the Beatles, but don't let Mick Jagger knock them.

John was only responding in response to comments Mick had been making about The Beatles at the time.

But they are not in the same class, musicwise or powerwise, never were. I never said anything, I always admired them, because I like their funky music, and I like their style. I like rock & roll and the direction they took after they got over trying to imitate us. He's obviously so upset by how big the Beatles are compared with him, he never got over it. Now he's in his old age, and he is beginning to knock us, you know, and he keeps knocking. I resent it, because even his second ****in' record, we wrote it for him. Mick said, ``Peace made money.'' We didn't make any money from peace.

And even if John is a little high on himself it's a little hard to keep grounded when you were one of the members of the most succesful band on earth. Although I don't find him to be much a prick.

Now with all this Stones/Beatles talk, who's the better drummer Ringo or Charlie Watts?

[Jacaranda]

Charlie Watts. His stage presence alone makes him more worthy.

And again my sarcasm went way over your head. Good grief.
The Rolling Stones would have made it big but the help from the Beatles just gave it a little jump start.

[Arlan89]

I prefer Keith Moon over both of them, but maybe that's just because I'm more into The Who then I'm into The Beatles or the Stones.

I've got a question for you guys. If you would recommend anyone a Beatles album, which album would it be?

[Lunch]

And truthfully listening to The Who sings My Generation I can hear pretty much an equal amount of Stones and Beatles influences, and on their latter work when they started becoming more experimental on their concept albums and more melody based it's more leaning towards the beatles.

Also by saying stricly music wise your making it seem like The Beatles weren't a rock n' roll band listen to Please Please Me, With The Beatles, and their other early records. The vocal performances on Twist N' Shout, Rock N' Roll Music, Money, and Helter Skelter all either top or equal any other rock vocal performances.

Really, I think much of the Beatles and Stones influence disappears after the Who's debut album. A Quick One is almost entirely unique, and the Who Sell Out will undoubtedly be credited Sgt. Pepper's like every other "concept" album after 1967, even though I wouldn't agree. I don't think it's fair to say Tommy and Quadrophenia are both Beatles influenced either, since the Who (and especially Townshend) were their own creative force by then and functioning without much help from the rock scene.

I prefer Keith Moon over both of them, but maybe that's just because I'm more into The Who then I'm into The Beatles or the Stones.

It might also be because Moon is undoubtedly one of the top 5-10 drummers in rock history, where as Watts and Ringo just scream "influence!" whenever anyone questions them.

[sr800bkBassist]

I prefer Keith Moon over both of them, but maybe that's just because I'm more into The Who then I'm into The Beatles or the Stones.

I've got a question for you guys. If you would recommend anyone a Beatles album, which album would it be?
Sgt. Pepper or Revolver. easily.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

Abbey Road, as well.

[thickasabrick]

If I was recommending someone a Beatles album I'd probably recommend Revolver but then my brain would also scream "but they gotta hear Sgt Peppers too!"

I think they could wait a few albums before hearing Abbey Road...that's sort of a good one to hear after you've experienced several beatles albums because then you can say "ok I've heard all the different types of rock the beatles played in their span and Abbey Road really does an amazing job of ending it."

Although Sgt Peppers might freak them out a bit if they aren't used to original psychedelic music. It's a little strange. MMT is more like happy pop psychedelia but Sgt Peppers was like the raw experimental ****. It didn't have to be about peace and flowers it had to be about exploring your creativity. I'm just rambling now.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

I see what you mean, but Abbey Road is really great for anyone. I mean, what better way to be introduced to the genius of the Beatles than by the medley? Actually, the album that firmly cemented me as a fan was either Rubber Soul or the White Album. Or both. So I'd recommend one of those as well.

[Danger Bird]

The worst offense ever was when some stock company or something like E-Trade or whatever used Volunteer's by Jefferson Airplane in their commercial. That was a travesty.
Yeah, I remember that. That song's about tearing down corporate America and everything.

[sr800bkBassist]

I see what you mean, but Abbey Road is really great for anyone. I mean, what better way to be introduced to the genius of the Beatles than by the medley? Actually, the album that firmly cemented me as a fan was either Rubber Soul or the White Album. Or both. So I'd recommend one of those as well.
i agree kinda, except i dunno why, but i don't really like the White Album.
i mean, it has lots of really good songs, but as a whole, looking at it as a full album rather than individual songs, it seems just like they were more worried about putting everything on there than constructing a shorter, yet more perfected album.

and there's not much unity on it, it's just like everyone doing their own thing.

[El_Goodo]

Rubber Soul would be my favourite album, although it would not give you an example of the Beatles genius as much as their later albums would. The White Album is also good as it has one of my top 5 tracks "Happiness is a Warm Gun."

[Seafroggys]

I prefer Keith Moon over both of them, but maybe that's just because I'm more into The Who then I'm into The Beatles or the Stones.

I've got a question for you guys. If you would recommend anyone a Beatles album, which album would it be?

Keith Moon is my favorite, no doubt about that. He is the greatest drummer of all time. However, Ringo is, flat out, more then 'adequte.' Crap, I spelt tha wrong, now that one guy is not gonna listen to anything I say.

(oh, and to that one guy, you made a comment how I put some words in your mouth about Townshend using the synthesizer first. I never said that. So stop putting words in my mouth, and listen.....you should be able to do that at your age, shouldn't you?)

And Ringo > Charlie. I could never get into the Stones. If I want rock 'n roll, I'd tune to Deep Purple myself.

[MBS]

Sgt. Pepper or Revolver. easily.

This, but leaning more towards Revolver.

[Leper]

I'd definitely go with Revolver. It's my favourite, thought I got it kinda late, so I don't know how much I would've liked it if I started with it.

[Seafroggys]

well, I always tell people this....Abbey Road is teh greatest work of art ever conceived!

[Jacaranda]

Sgt. is the only one worth owning. No I'm lying but its their best. Abbey Road is a snoozer.

[Leper]

They're all worth owning, but Revolver is the best.:D

We could really go at this for a while.

[magicbus]

Revolver > Rubber Soul > Abbey Road > White Album > Magical Mystery Tour > Sgt. Peppers > Let It Be Naked > Help!

If I had to put them in order of my most favorite, it might go like that. I hate to put Help! last, but I haven't even listened to it all the way through that many times.

[Leper]

:eek: I can't believe you rate MMT last!!

Edit: Second last!!:eek:

[sr800bkBassist]

MMT is such a fun CD.

[magicbus]

:eek: I can't believe you rate MMT last!!

Edit: Second last!!:eek:

Yea I know! It's too hard to order them! I'll put it the way I originally intended.

[Up The Irons]

You know I'm like the only person that says Magical Mystery Tour is my favorite Beatles cd, however Sgt Peppers is very close behind.

[El_Goodo]

Sgt. is the only one worth owning. No I'm lying but its their best. Abbey Road is a snoozer.

That's crazy talk! Sgt. Pepper is a pretty good album, but I just find Fixing A Hole, and Lovely Rita to be very dull tracks.

[Jacaranda]

And thats how I feel with three fourths of the White Album. Odd how that is.

[rockinbass17]

You know I'm like the only person that says Magical Mystery Tour is my favorite Beatles cd

It's my favorite (currently), too. Top three are MMT, Revolver, and the White Album. I could see why one wouldn't enjoy the White Album, though.

[dylan12]

George was an awsome guitar player, especialy after the beatles. Paul was known for holding back george to some extent. George also had the most succesful solo carreer out of all of them.

[Seafroggys]

Abbey Road > White Album > Magical Mystery Tour > Let it Be....Naked > Revolver > Yellow Submarine > Sgt. Pepper's > Help! > Rubber Soul > Hard Day's Night

That's just what I own. I still need to get Please Please Me, With the Beatles, and Beatles for Sale.

[El_Goodo]

George was an awsome guitar player, especialy after the beatles. Paul was known for holding back george to some extent. George also had the most succesful solo carreer out of all of them.

I'm pretty sure Paul had the most succesful solo career in terms of records sold. Unless your talking about a personal opinion. I prefer John and George's solo stuff for the most part. But when I want to relax a little I'll listen to Chaos and Creation, which is a really great cd in my opinion.

But back on the albums, looks like I'm the only one with Rubber Soul as their favourite album haha.

Abbey Road > White Album > Magical Mystery Tour > Let it Be....Naked > Revolver > Yellow Submarine > Sgt. Pepper's > Help! > Rubber Soul > Hard Day's Night

That's just what I own. I still need to get Please Please Me, With the Beatles, and Beatles for Sale.

Please Please Me is great! As are the other two...Please Please Me is my favourite of three for the most part. Although the cover songs like Rock N' Roll Music, etc. on With the beatles and Beatles for Sale are amazing.

[Kaleidoscope Eyes]

But back on the albums, looks like I'm the only one with Rubber Soul as their favourite album haha.
.

I've said that it was before, but now I'm not sure if it's possible to have a favorite Beatles album. It's a tie between

SPLHCB
Abbey Road
Rubber Soul
Magical Mystery Tour

[Up The Irons]

And thats how I feel with three fourths of the White Album. Odd how that is.

I've never considered The White Album to be the genious that everyone builds it up to be either, actually.

I do really like Good Night, Julia, Happiness is a Warm Gun, and Mother Nature's Son though.

And the album version Revolution >>>> single version Revolution

[Seafroggys]

Single Revolution is one of the best Beatles songs, actually.

[Jacaranda]

Ya um there is no way someone could actually enjoy listening to the White Ablum "Revolution." Its just a bunch of noises and not even a song.

[Seafroggys]

Are you talking about Revolution 1, or Revolution 9?

Seems like you don't much about The White Album, hence you calling it crap.

[Up The Irons]

Ya um there is no way someone could actually enjoy listening to the White Ablum "Revolution." Its just a bunch of noises and not even a song.

Actually, there are two Revolutions on The White Album, "Revolution 1" and "Revolution 9". "Revolution 9" is the one with all the weird noises.

They wanted to make a single out of "Revolution 1", but Lennon said that if it was to be a single, he wanted it to be heavier, and thats what the single version is.

I like the White Album one more because it's kind of a mellow acoustic guitar tune. :)

[Dave de Sylvia]

Are you talking about Revolution 1, or Revolution 9?

Seems like you don't much about The White Album, hence you calling it crap.
Actually calling it crap would indicate a perfect understanding of the album.

[WelcomeToTheMachine]

Actually, there are two Revolutions on The White Album, "Revolution 1" and "Revolution 9". "Revolution 9" is the one with all the weird noises.

They wanted to make a single out of "Revolution 1", but Lennon said that if it was to be a single, he wanted it to be heavier, and thats what the single version is.

I like the White Album one more because it's kind of a mellow acoustic guitar tune. :)


I heard that the rest of the band told Lennon it had to be heavier if they wanted it to be a single, whatever though

i like the album version better though.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

I like the "Shoobie-doo-wop" in the White Album version. Pimpin'.

[Up The Irons]

Yeah it almost takes on a different meaning when it's heavier, really.

The album one is just like, "Hey, man, don't worry it's all gonna be alright."

Then the single one is like, "WE DON'T NEED A REVOLUTION!"

[Music Man]

Are you talking about Revolution 1, or Revolution 9? Seems like you don't much about The White Album, hence you calling it crap.

I agree with you, froggy.

Though not their best IMO, the White Album (WA) was no slouch. Joe Walsh has proclaimed it his favorite rock album of all time, and was hugely influenced by it.

The "genius" of the WA is its sheer diversity. From early hard rockers like "Helter Skelter" and "Back in the U.S.S.R.", to light acoustic ballads like "Blackbird" and "Julia"---the WA was a classic of 60's rock.

It was the biggest selling album in the world in 1968. The first double album to achieve that feat. It was also the biggest selling double album of all time for a number of years, though eventually passed later by Pink Floyd's "The Wall" and perhaps a couple others.

[Music Man]

Ya um there is no way someone could actually enjoy listening to the White Ablum "Revolution." Its just a bunch of noises and not even a song.

"Revolution #9" was an avant-garde piece influenced by "musique concrete" composers like Karlheinz Stockhausen.

It was primarily John's creation.

It was also the first known Beatle song to incorporate "backward masking". The part where the words "number nine" are repeated over and over, when played backwards with the vinyl record version on a turntable---will result in the repeated phrase of "turn me on, dead man".

Which of course was intended as a "clue" for the Beatle's infamous "Paul is dead" hoax.

[zabbit82]

The White Album is indeed a great album, not thier best IMO. "Helter Skelter" and "Back In The U.S.S.R." have to be my favorites.

I listened to Revolution 9 for the first time in a long time, and it's a weird recording, weirder than I used to think it was.

[Seafroggys]

White Album is my second favorite....it has my favorite songs on there, but like most people say, it has a lot of substandard filler, so it loses out to Abbey Road, which is strong all the way through.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

It was also the first known Beatle song to incorporate "backward masking"

No. The first Beatles song to use the whole backwards masking thing was "Tommorow Never Knows", from Revolver. "Revolution 9" wasn't even the first White Album song to contain clues to Paul's "death", as that was "I'm So Tired", which also featured the technique.

[MBS]

"Revolution #9" was an avant-garde piece influenced by "musique concrete" composers like Karlheinz Stockhausen.

It was primarily John's creation.

It's also creepy as hell.

[Leper]

Yes very creepy. The first time I listened to it I actually turned it off before it ended because I was so creeped out haha.

[Jacaranda]

Actually, there are two Revolutions on The White Album, "Revolution 1" and "Revolution 9". "Revolution 9" is the one with all the weird noises.
I know that and was calling both crap. The single version of 1 is fun but the album one sucks.
It was primarily John's creation.
Yet another reason to why Paul was superior in the Beatles.
From early hard rockers like "Helter Skelter" and "Back in the U.S.S.R."
You're almost there...
The first time I listened to it I actually turned it off before it ended because I was so creeped out haha.
Me too, but that was because it sucked.

[Music Man]

No. The first Beatles song to use the whole backwards masking thing was "Tommorow Never Knows", from Revolver. "Revolution 9" wasn't even the first White Album song to contain clues to Paul's "death", as that was "I'm So Tired", which also featured the technique.

I never claimed that R9 was the first Beatle song to contain clues to Paul's "death".

I'm not disputing your word on the other point, but please provide us with a reference on the "Tomorrow" backward masking.

Thanks.

[Music Man]

Yet another reason to why Paul was superior in the Beatles.


You won't get an argument from me there.

IMO, John was the most important Beatle in their early years. I know I'll probably get cursed and shouted down, but from "Sgt. Pepper" in 1967 until their breakup, Paul was clearly their "top gun".

Paul was the best all-around singer/songwriter/instrumentalist of the fab four.

[Leper]

You won't get an argument from me there.

IMO, John was the most important Beatle in their early years. I know I'll probably get cursed and shouted down, but from "Sgt. Pepper" in 1967 until their breakup, Paul was clearly their "top gun".

Paul was the best all-around singer/songwriter/instrumentalist of the fab four.

I agree he was the most talented all-around Beatle. I prefer most of John's and George's songs over Paul's though.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

I never claimed that R9 was the first Beatle song to contain clues to Paul's "death".

I didn't say you did. Consider it a random fun fact.

I'm not disputing your word on the other point, but please provide us with a reference on the "Tomorrow" backward masking.

Well, it was the first track to be recorded for the Revolver album , which was in 1966 (a full two years prior to the White Album). It obviously makes abundant usage of backwards masking, which was either discovered by John Lennon or George Martin, as the source of the creation is often disputed. For referencing, read the Beatles Anthology book, or you can look it up on wikipedia. The rest of what you said about Revolution 9 is right, though I do feel it while it was pretty much John's piece, Yoko had alot to do with it.

Note: I am not referring to "hidden message" backwards masking such as on "I'm So Tired" and "Stairway to Heaven". I am referring to backwards tape loops usen in musical form.

[Music Man]

I agree he was the most talented all-around Beatle. I prefer most of John's and George's songs over Paul's though.

Fair enough.

Paul was definitely more "poppish" on average, though he also wrote a number of their more "rocking" songs---"Helter Skelter", "Back in the USSR" and "Get Back"---just to name a few.

[Music Man]

Note: I am not referring to "hidden message" backwards masking such as on "I'm So Tired" and "Stairway to Heaven". I am referring to backwards tape loops usen in musical form.

I'm definitely referring to the "hidden message" variety.

So neither of us is really "wrong", since it appears to be an apples-to-oranges comparison.

Thanks for elaborating a bit on that.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

My apologies for the misunderstanding.

[magicbus]

Actually from 1967 on is the time when I start disliking Paul more and more. That's kinda when he started to take over the band and wanted to do everything himself. And basically when he started breaking up the group.

As for the White Album, if you could break up the discs, I'd put disc 1 near the top of my favorite Beatles albums, and disc 2 at the bottom. It's not that great at all.

EDIT: I'm think "I'm Only Sleeping" used tape reversing before "Tomorrow Never Knows" (Harrison played the guitar solos backwards so they'd sound right when reversed). (Although I don't know which song was recorded first, so I could be wrong.)

[Seafroggys]

Rain also had backward vocals, and that came out before Revolver I think, not too sure.

In the beginning, it wasn't John, it was Lennon/McCartney. At Sgt. Pepper's on, if you count the 'Lennon' songs and the 'McCartney' songs on each album, you'll definitally see Paul's music overbearing in numbers.

ANd I, too, like John and George's music to Paul's.

[morrison357]

I also prefer John and George's music to Paul's. I ecspecially like George, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Something, and Here Comes The Sun. How can you go wrong?

[Leper]

EDIT: I'm think "I'm Only Sleeping" used tape reversing before "Tomorrow Never Knows" (Harrison played the guitar solos backwards so they'd sound right when reversed). (Although I don't know which song was recorded first, so I could be wrong.)

I might be mistaken, but I coulda sworn it says in the Anthology that they recorded "I'm Only Sleeping" before "Tomorrow Never Knows." But yes, backward guitar tracks were used on both songs.

[Up The Irons]

I also prefer John and George's music to Paul's. I ecspecially like George, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Something, and Here Comes The Sun. How can you go wrong?

Buy All Things Must Pass if you haven't already.

Pure genious.

[Leper]

Buy All Things Must Pass if you haven't already.

Pure genious.

I still haven't bought that. Damn I hate being broke. First three things I'm getting when I have some disposable income:

All Things Must Pass
Pink Floyd- that 1968 dvd with Syd Barrett (catchy name eh?)
The Who- Live at the Isle of Wright

[sr800bkBassist]

White Album is my second favorite....it has my favorite songs on there, but like most people say, it has a lot of substandard filler, so it loses out to Abbey Road, which is strong all the way through.
i can see why people love it, but i can't see why people hate it.

in my opinion, however, it is one of my least favorites.
it has some very great songs on it, of course, but it lacks the focused feeling of it being an "album".
it just seems more like 2 Beatles mix CD's, with as many songs as possible crammed in there, rather than the more perfected feel of Sgt. Pepper, Revolver, Abbey Road, etc.

i'd compare it to making a collage of every single picture you can find, be the pictures amazing, good, average, or bad, rather than making a collage of a few pictures, but each fitting with the others perfectly.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

I might be mistaken, but I coulda sworn it says in the Anthology that they recorded "I'm Only Sleeping" before "Tomorrow Never Knows." But yes, backward guitar tracks were used on both songs.

You might be correct, I haven't read Anthology in a while, but the recent guitar world issue which interviews Geoff Emerick states that Tommorow Never Knows was recorded first for the album as does some random documentary I can't remember the name of that interviews Paul McCartney and George Martin. As for Rain, I'm pretty sure it was released before Revolver as a single, but not recorded first.

[thickasabrick]

To me the White Album sounds very un-sincere in a lot of parts. As if they were really trying to make a catchy memorable album that everyone would love....but for half the songs they forgot to actually put their heart, soul, and even brains into the song. Definitely one of my least favourite Beatles albums. It does have some great songs but it should have been a single album.

[dwass5656]

Listen to Here Comes The Sun by The Beatles Tribute Band : http://www.napster.com/player/tracks/15243926

not too bad..the beatles cant be topped

[Music Man]

In the beginning, it wasn't John, it was Lennon/McCartney. At Sgt. Pepper's on, if you count the 'Lennon' songs and the 'McCartney' songs on each album, you'll definitally see Paul's music overbearing in numbers.

I don't recall anyone stating that it was all or mostly John in the beginning. But from the time John formed the Quarrymen in 1957 through the Revolver album in 1966, he was generally considered the leader of the group.

McCartney's musical contribution was enormous in all phases of their existence, but John was the acknowledged leader of the band before 1967.

[Music Man]

As for the White Album, if you could break up the discs, I'd put disc 1 near the top of my favorite Beatles albums, and disc 2 at the bottom. It's not that great at all.

George Martin didn't want to release it as a double album, but the Fab Four insisted.

I'm not going to second-guess their judgement, since the album has been certified 19x platinum by the RIAA.

[sr800bkBassist]

George Martin didn't want to release it as a double album, but the Fab Four insisted.

I'm not going to second-guess their judgement, since the album has been certified 19x platinum by the RIAA.
if i remember right, i think either John or Paul later said that it would have been better if they narrowed it down to one CD of a select amount of good songs.

[Music Man]

if i remember right, i think either John or Paul later said that it would have been better if they narrowed it down to one CD of a select amount of good songs.

Opinions, opinions. Afterthoughts are irrelevant.

They made their decision, and at 19x platinum---one of the largest selling albums in history---who's to really say whether it was a "mistake"?

It may not have been the first double album in rock history, but for years it was the biggest selling and most influential. It popularized the concept of releasing double albums, and numerous other bands followed their lead.

Just another example of the enormous influence wielded by the four lads from Liverpool.

[sr800bkBassist]

Opinions, opinions. Afterthoughts are irrelevant.

They made their decision, and at 19x platinum---one of the largest selling albums in history---who's to really say whether it was a "mistake"?

It may not have been the first double album in rock history, but for years it was the biggest selling and most influential. It popularized the concept of releasing double albums, and numerous other bands followed their lead.

Just another example of the enormous influence wielded by the four lads from Liverpool.
well, afterthoughts aren't really irrelevant when it's coming from the people who made it.

and besides, it's to be expected from John, with his usual bitter outlook on everything Beatles.

[Music Man]

well, afterthoughts aren't really irrelevant when it's coming from the people who made it.

and besides, it's to be expected from John, with his usual bitter outlook on everything Beatles.

Oh, but they are irrelevant when they come from only one member of the group, John Lennon, who was burned out on drugs at the time. Not to mention his childish infatuation with Yoko Ono.

At about that same point in time, it was John who stated that the Plastic Ono Band was the "greatest" band he had ever been associated with.

Yeah, right. Sure, John.

It's a shame what bitterness will do to some people.

[Up The Irons]

if i remember right, i think either John or Paul later said that it would have been better if they narrowed it down to one CD of a select amount of good songs.

I remember watching a George Harrison interview in which he says, "Yeah, I think now it would have been better now released in two discs: The White Album and The Whiter Album."

Or something along those lines.

[morrison357]

Buy All Things Must Pass if you haven't already.

Pure genious.
Yeah I'll have to pick it up next time I'm at the record store, because I've heard other great things about it. Thanks fot the recommendation. :)

[Up The Irons]

Yeah it's one of my favorite albums of all time.

[Jacaranda]

The extended editions extra songs really suck though or the alt. versions I think they are.

[magicbus]

I like the acoustic versions, but the extras at the end of disc 2 are kinda meh.

But still, All Things Must Pass is a fantastic album. The first disc is close to perfect.

[Leper]

Oh, but they are irrelevant when they come from only one member of the group, John Lennon, who was burned out on drugs at the time. Not to mention his childish infatuation with Yoko Ono.



There's no doubting that if the White Album had not been a double album, that it would have been a much more solid and quality album. There are just too many unecessary filler songs.

Umm what did his infatuation with Yoko have to do with his opinion of the White Album?

[El_Goodo]

Jeeze...people don't really know alot about the White Album. Some guy's claiming Revolution 9 was the first song with backwards masking, although Lennon himself says that Rain was which was released a while before the white album. And that it was Lennon's idea to speed up Revolution.

And to Jacaranda saying that Revolution #9 being mostly John's creation a reason why Paul was better. I believe Wild Honey Pie was mainly Paul McCartney song. People can listen to Revolution #9 for the interesting factor, Wild Honey Pie should have never been released.

But still on the topic of the white album, why not make a fantasy list of what you would have chosen to be on a single disc? A best of the white album I guess you could call it. Mine would be (in no particular order).

Dear Prudence
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Happiness Is A Warm Gun
I'm So Tired
Blackbird
Julia
Everybody's Got Something to hide...
Yer blues
Helter Skelter
Cry Baby Cry
Long, Long, Long

I think that would have made for one pretty solid album. Although I enjoy the album as it is.

[Leper]

That's a pretty solid list. I can't really think of anything I'd change on it actually.

[El_Goodo]

That's a pretty solid list. I can't really think of anything I'd change on it actually.

Damn I'm good...Bron-Yr-Aur commented on my top 10 beatles song list saying that I made his list song by song.

[Seafroggys]

well it'd have to fit on an LP (45 minutes I think was the max)....

Add Sexy Sadie to that list, and you got a deal.

[El_Goodo]

well it'd have to fit on an LP (45 minutes I think was the max)....

Add Sexy Sadie to that list, and you got a deal.

I hesitated over whether or not to add that song, it was a heartbreaking decision.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

Add unto that list Sexy Sadie, Savoy Truffle, Glass Onion, and Martha My Dear.

[rockinbass17]

Savoy Truffle is such a great song.

I would add Rocky Racoon, remove I'm So Tired.

[El_Goodo]

Add unto that list Sexy Sadie, Savoy Truffle, Glass Onion, and Martha My Dear.

Savoy Truffle annoys me. And by the time people are done adding songs were gonna have the white album minus wild honey pie, and revolution 9. Glass Onion is a cool track because of it's lyrical content, and Martha My Dear is just catchy filler.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

Wow, I think I might beat you up.

[magicbus]

Dear Prudence
Glass Onion
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Happiness Is A Warm Gun
Marth My Dear
I'm So Tired
Blackbird
Piggies
Rocky Racoon
Julia
Yer Blues
Mother Nature's Son
Sexy Sadie

That's my White Album. I just took the three songs off the second disc I liked, took off a few from the first that aren't my favorite, and I have 45 minutes.

[Up The Irons]

The extended editions extra songs really suck though or the alt. versions I think they are.

Yeah I agree it really doesn't serve a purpose to have 50 Isn't It A Pity's and 300 My Sweet Lord's

[El_Goodo]

Wow, I think I might beat you up.

Yes sir. Anyone read about the latest beatle news? Apparantley they've found some 500 lost tapes.

http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=1024272006

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

Interesting.

[MBS]

Does anyone remember that one guy who knew immense amounts of stuff about the Beatles and posted here? What was his name? Is he ever going to post again? I kinda miss him.

[Seafroggys]

Does anyone remember that one guy who knew immense amounts of stuff about the Beatles and posted here? What was his name? Is he ever going to post again? I kinda miss him.

me?

[Jacaranda]

bcf717
!!!
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1224203

[Leper]

Yeah that guy was awesome. Too bad he hasn't been around lately.

[El_Goodo]

Well that was a mood killer. We need another exciting topic. What about that Anthology eh! What's everyones favourite disc? Or "new" song tha came with them? I only have the first collection of music from their early days. And I regret getting it because the other one's seem like they have better things on them. Although the outtakes on it are pretty great to listen to.

And between the two songs I'd probably say that Real Love is my favourite.

[Seafroggys]

Free as a Bird is awesome....it has an epic feel to it, and I like epic songs....

I only own Anthology 1, though I do have Real Love.

[Interviewer/surveyer]

"We can work it out" would be the coolest song if you put a heavy vibe to it. DON"T STEAL THIS IDEA!

[Jacaranda]

Too bad its already their coolest song.

[Interviewer/surveyer]

Too bad its already their coolest song.
I dunno about coolest, the Beatles have SO many good songs, its really crazy if you think about it. Their good song/bad song ratio is probably the highest ever recorded, lol.

[Up The Irons]

That's an interesting idea but I think the song is much better as it is.

[Leper]

Their good song/bad song ratio is probably the highest ever recorded, lol.

I sense another White album shot from Jac coming...

[Jacaranda]

You were right but I decided to let it slip.
:/

[Leper]

You were right but I decided to let it slip.
:/

Restraint??? Boooo. I enjoy your sarcasm.:(

[El_Goodo]

So...Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except For Me and Monkey is pretty great underrated track eh.

[Seafroggys]

indeed, its a rocker!

I'm pissed....the Wikipedia entry had the coolest picture of the Fab Four, about the White Album era, but now its of the '64 Beatles. I wanted that other pic really bad.

[Up The Irons]

Yeah Everybodys Got Something To Hide is a track I really enjoy on the White Album.

[El_Goodo]

Hey everyone check this out it's a really great cover of For You Blue!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08_k4bNZl0c I love it...it's like cocaine for me. I've listened to it probably over 20 times in the last day.

[magicbus]

I don't like Everybody's Got Something To Hide. That's all I can think of now, I'll elaborate later.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aup6Orr9auk&search=john%20lennon

Probably posted before, but John Lennon what a thinker.

[Seafroggys]

he is a very intellegent human being.....his 'assholeness' is way overrated on this forum!

[Jacaranda]

Hardly.

[Seafroggys]

your opinion means little to me....

[Jacaranda]

Its not really an opinion. John Lennon was a enormous prick.

[El_Goodo]

Its not really an opinion. John Lennon was a enormous prick.

You seem to have something in common with Lennon looking at alot of your posts in this thread.

[sr800bkBassist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aup6Orr9auk&search=john%20lennon

Probably posted before, but John Lennon what a thinker.
very cool video.
also, i thought it was cool that i finally found out what show they used for the clip in Forest Gump (where they overdub Lennon's voice to make it seem like Forest i who inspired him to write Imagine, and edit Forest into the scene by putting him over Yoko).

[Jacaranda]

You seem to have something in common with Lennon looking at alot of your posts in this thread.
Bingo!

[El_Goodo]

Bingo!

Haha touche.

[A Spoonful Supreme]

Haha! Riteo, I concur.

[El_Goodo]

Why must this thread die everyday...we were having a good period of constant posts. We need to strike up some conversation. Does anyone know why Paul McCartney isnsits on sucking when the band is jamming? Like on the Let It Be Sessions he's always singing in some retarded voice, that sounds pretty bad.

[Up The Irons]

I don't have Let it Be :(

I think I'll be gettting ...Naked soon though

[A Spoonful Supreme]

Will anyone ever be able to answer why The Beatles are songwriting/melodic geniouses? I mean c'mon, every song is just genious.

[Seafroggys]

Why must this thread die everyday...we were having a good period of constant posts. We need to strike up some conversation. Does anyone know why Paul McCartney isnsits on sucking when the band is jamming? Like on the Let It Be Sessions he's always singing in some retarded voice, that sounds pretty bad.

he's just goofing off!

Can someone send me these sessions? E-mail is seafroggys@gmail.com

[El_Goodo]

he's just goofing off!

Can someone send me these sessions? E-mail is seafroggys@gmail.com

Currently uploading it on Megaupload. I'm gonna take a shower and then the file should be done.

[morrison357]

Could you also send the sessions to me if it's not too much trouble El Goodo?
my email is grenz_erich@yahoo.com.

[El_Goodo]

I dunno if Im allowed to do this but here's a link to the files, if I'm not tell me and I'll just send it through e-mail.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2FOBJJA5

[Up The Irons]

Has anyone here seen the "Concert for George" DVD?

I got it a little while ago and it's probably the most amazing music DVD I own.

[magicbus]

Yea I got it for Christmas (along with the Concert for Bangladesh).

It's pretty awesome. The Tom Petty, Clapton, Jeff Lynne, McCartney songs are all very cool. And Ravi Shankar's daughter has a very cool song at the beginning.

[Ephemeral]

I've yet to get that. I have Concert For Bangladesh though. It's one of my favorite concert films that I own.

[El_Goodo]

Yea I got it for Christmas (along with the Concert for Bangladesh).

It's pretty awesome. The Tom Petty, Clapton, Jeff Lynne, McCartney songs are all very cool. And Ravi Shankar's daughter has a very cool song at the beginning.

Isn't Ravi Shankar's daughter Norah Jones?

[Up The Irons]

Naw he has another one named Anoushka Shankar who is an amazing sitar player.

Yeah, its an amazing dvd, though. My favorite part is probably with Ravi's orchaestra, I just love seeing all those cool instruments. :)

[MYR]

Yea I got it for Christmas (along with the Concert for Bangladesh).

It's pretty awesome. The Tom Petty, Clapton, Jeff Lynne, McCartney songs are all very cool. And Ravi Shankar's daughter has a very cool song at the beginning.

Jeff Lynne is awesome in Concert for George.

Hey it's allowed to post bootlegs in the forums since the companies aren't technically profiting from it.

[RNR]

I love Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite. Some of the most creepy sounding 3/4 i've heard.

[magicbus]

Isn't Ravi Shankar's daughter Norah Jones?

Yea but he has another daughter too. She plays the sitar.

Naw he has another one named Anoushka Shankar who is an amazing sitar player.
That's the one.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

I love Being For The Benefit of Mr. Kite. Some of the most creepy sounding 3/4 i've heard.

Probably my favorite song on Sgt. Pepper.

[magicbus]

Probably my favorite song on Sgt. Pepper.

Same. I always really liked that song.

[Up The Irons]

It's 'Getting Better' for me ;)

[sr800bkBassist]

"She's Leaving Home", "A Day in the Life", and "When I'm 64" are all tied for my favorite Sgt. Pepper tracks.

[morrison357]

I like 'A Day In The Life' the best.

[Up The Irons]

Oh damn, I forgot 'A Day in the Life' was Sgt. Peppers.

Oh my, that song is amazing

[El_Goodo]

Both Sgt. Pepper tracks and a day in the life would be my favourites. Although I do love Getting Better.

I've been going on a Harrison binge the last two days. Yesterday I decided to pop in the first disc of all things must pass while taking a shower. And Now George is basically all I've been listening to for the last two days. I've got All Things Must Pass and then some downloaded tracks like This Is Love, and Any Road.

Although I still prefer Lennon's solo career, All Things Must Pass is probably the best post Beatles CD.

[Bron-Yr-Aur]

Nah, I believe that title belongs to Band On the Run.

[blue3]

I like 'A Day In The Life' the best.same. And I like George Harrison's solo stuff most.

[Leper]

Nah, I believe that title belongs to Band On the Run.

While I do like that song, I'm not really a fan of Wings or much of McCartney's solo material. It's too...McCartney-ish. Ram is a pretty good album though.

[El_Goodo]

Nah, I believe that title belongs to Band On the Run.

Blasphomy! ATMP has such great muscianship on it, and not to mention tons of great tracks. And it's alot more personal than songs like Bluebird of Band On The Run. I will have to admit that the title track is a classic, and Jet and Let Me Roll It are really great.

I've become obsessed with George over the last two days, I just read an interview of his, and learned that when he asked Dylan how he could write such amazing words, Dylan replied with "What about all those chords you play?" and then they wrote I'd Have You Anytime. (Which I just learned on guitar). George is truly an underrated singer, songwriter, and guitarist.