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YouGottaBeCrazy
11-18-2004, 03:13 PM
What song do you think has the weirdest time signatures in it?

ventura
11-18-2004, 03:17 PM
4/4 will forever elude me.

Jom
11-18-2004, 03:20 PM
4/4 will forever elude me.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

ventura delivers.

ZEROthirtythree
11-18-2004, 03:20 PM
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Celestial terrestrial commuter

19/8 I believe.

DeathHawk
11-18-2004, 03:22 PM
Jazz Fusion>>>all

kolin666
11-18-2004, 03:30 PM
a think there a tool song thats in 15/16 or sumthin strange like that

^Dream~Theater^
11-18-2004, 03:35 PM
can someone explain what the 4/4 and 5/4 things mean. i know their time signatures but it dosent make sense.

DeathHawk
11-18-2004, 03:40 PM
The top number is the NUMBER of notes

The bottom is the TYPE of notes

So 5/4 would be 5 quarter notes.

dustyboy316
11-18-2004, 03:42 PM
in a beat or in 4 beats?

I never took any actual music.

DeathHawk
11-18-2004, 03:43 PM
i don't understand what you are asking

^Dream~Theater^
11-18-2004, 03:44 PM
ok so we have a 5/4 signature
thats 5 beats. what do you mean by type?

dustyboy316
11-18-2004, 03:47 PM
Nevermind, Don't worry. No need to hijack the thread.

DT has a bunch of weird time sigs..

DeathHawk
11-18-2004, 03:48 PM
ok so we have a 5/4 signature
thats 5 beats. what do you mean by type?



There is whole, half, quarter, sixteenth, notes.

The most common is 4/4 which is just straigh *dump dump dump dump*

Tails
11-18-2004, 03:49 PM
Dream Theater's Learning to Live has 14/8, 13/8, and 5/8 among others.
Erotomania switches between 11/8 and 10/8 in some parts as well.

Det_Nosnip
11-18-2004, 03:56 PM
Things get REALLY weird when you get into the /32s :lol: I saw a sheet once that had something like 26/32 or something ridiculous like that.

MasterofBass
11-18-2004, 03:56 PM
Some odd time signatures:

pretty much an odd number over 8 or 16,

TheUnavoidable
11-18-2004, 03:58 PM
ok so we have a 5/4 signature
thats 5 beats. what do you mean by type?


It means that in one bar you have five quarter notes. = 5/4

If you were to have sixteen eight notes in a bar it would be 16/8.

UnderDawg
11-18-2004, 03:58 PM
There's a Tool song that's in 7/16, and from what I know that's normally a fusion related time sig, so that's pretty weird to have in a rock song...

Metallogy
11-18-2004, 03:59 PM
4/4 will forever elude me.

123 :lol: My words exactly. + Minor spelling mistakes :)

Thor
11-18-2004, 04:15 PM
lamb of god uses 7/4 in some of their old songs. its really annoying to play

Mekkalayakay
11-18-2004, 04:16 PM
Numerous Planet X songs are in very weird time signatures.

ColonelSanderz
11-18-2004, 04:29 PM
Led Zeppelin The Ocean -15/8 I think

Magicaltroll
11-18-2004, 04:34 PM
i dont get any of this but meshuggah has some pretty wierd rythyms in some of their songs
im pretty sure those are the same things.......

funny thing is i was in jazz band last year and i dont get this stuff, i just played everything by ear basically

DeathHawk
11-18-2004, 04:38 PM
Led Zeppelin The Ocean -15/8 I think


I REALLY doubt that.



but uhh anything possible

i guesssss

moncholo
11-18-2004, 04:38 PM
Things get REALLY weird when you get into the /32s :lol: I saw a sheet once that had something like 26/32 or something ridiculous like that.


it aint that crazy; its 13/16

DeathHawk
11-18-2004, 04:39 PM
haha, yeah. The top number is usually odd. since the bottom ones are always even.

moncholo
11-18-2004, 04:41 PM
lamb of god uses 7/4 in some of their old songs. its really annoying to play

its not so weird, listen to money, from pink floyd, youŽll get a very fast n complete understanding of 7/4

Daywalker
11-18-2004, 04:42 PM
Meshuggah - Rational Gaze

...nuff said.

Det_Nosnip
11-18-2004, 04:48 PM
I REALLY doubt that.



but uhh anything possible

i guesssss

Actually, they dabbled in odd time quite a bit. Although, as I recall, it was more of a /16 measure than /8, so 15/16.

Raiven
11-18-2004, 04:53 PM
Mahavanishu Orchestra - 19/16

Candiria92
11-18-2004, 04:56 PM
D.T., Dillinger, and Meshuggah have a lot of odd time sigs.

UnknowN Doodl3.2
11-18-2004, 05:02 PM
meshuggah had one that was like 23/15 or something... dont know which song thouh

Raiven
11-18-2004, 05:04 PM
meshuggah had one that was like 23/15 or something... dont know which song thouh

Hahaha no they didn't.

DeathHawk
11-18-2004, 05:05 PM
you cant have a X/15 time signature

only

/2
/4
/8
/16
/32

DeathHawk
11-18-2004, 05:06 PM
or 1/1 i guesssss


never heard it used in a song though

Drumerboy66
11-18-2004, 05:06 PM
i would rather everything just be in 4/4 its so much easier. Im in symphonic band in hich school and i have a song i do on snare that goes from 4/4 to 9/8 to 3/4 to 7/8 and back. its really weird

Drumerboy66
11-18-2004, 05:07 PM
ive heard of 1/1 but it is actually 3/4 so i guess its not the same

Raiven
11-18-2004, 05:17 PM
6/4 sounds like 4/4.

ThePanicInNeedlePark
11-18-2004, 05:20 PM
how is it basically 3/4, its not 3/4 at all! Dream theater-metropolis has a bit on 13/16 i think, also any dillinger escape play (especially of calculating infinity album)

Raiven
11-18-2004, 05:28 PM
1/1?

One whole note per bar... Isn't that 4/4?

ThePanicInNeedlePark
11-18-2004, 05:38 PM
yeh its 2/2 aswell and 8/8 but its not 3.4 lol

ThePanicInNeedlePark
11-18-2004, 05:40 PM
I love it when I hear people talk about time sigs then do something like 3/4 3/4 then 2/4 (3 bars 3 sigs sounds tricky) but it still adds up to 8 and sounds..well....8/4 lol

Raiven
11-18-2004, 05:44 PM
I love it when I hear people talk about time sigs then do something like 3/4 3/4 then 2/4 (3 bars 3 sigs sounds tricky) but it still adds up to 8 and sounds..well....8/4 lol

True.

One day I will make a 32/16 catchy song.

blueyxd
11-18-2004, 05:56 PM
Ron Jarzombek - Headache And A 64th
65/64 time in the first bit.. it sounds so close to 4/4, but there's just that little bit extra at the end of the bar. after that.. who knows... it's mental, or Spastic if you like..

Also.. Spiral Architect, any song. But Insect has a bit at the end that adds up to 31/8.
http://www.spiralarchitect.com/clips/insect.mp3

For something simpler and more natural sounding... Soundgarden is a good choice.

Vaelroth
11-18-2004, 06:09 PM
Jazz Fusion>>>all

123

3 3/4
_ 4


Thats "three and three-fourths over four" yes.

deathbeforedisco
11-18-2004, 06:17 PM
rope ends by pain of salvation... very wierd

Up The Irons
11-18-2004, 06:18 PM
rope ends by pain of salvation... very wierd

indeed

black_sabbath634
11-18-2004, 06:23 PM
john petrucci has 28/4 in beyond this life, thats not wierd its just ****ing fast

ShredMachine
11-18-2004, 06:30 PM
Actually the time signature has nothing to do with the tempo. 28/4 is not inherently faster than 4/4 or anything else.

CaptainWaits
11-18-2004, 06:46 PM
Meshuggah - Rational Gaze

...nuff said.


Yup :thumb:

bumskin
11-18-2004, 07:04 PM
Dillinger is crazy **** to play. i dont even wanna dabble in the theory behind it

atomicgarden
11-18-2004, 07:42 PM
1/1?

One whole note per bar... Isn't that 4/4?not at all. a whole note doesn't have any set number of beats. In 1/1 it has one beat. In 4/4 it has four. 1/1 is the same thing as 1/2 and 1/4 and 1/64 just written differently.

how is it basically 3/4, its not 3/4 at all!I'm just guessing here but if the measures came in sets of three then it could sound like 3/4. Or this guy might have no idea what he's talking about.


In a time signature the bottom note tells you what type of note gets one beat. The top note tells you how many there are.
Then there are special ones where sets of three of the bottom number get one beat. Like 6/8 has two beats (two sets of 3 eighth notes). 8/8 is sometimes used as three beats. Two beats being 3 eighth notes and one being 2.

I have a thing for changing time signatures, and the drummer hates me for it.

LifeIsDandy
11-18-2004, 07:58 PM
4/4 will forever elude me.

:lol:

Malakian Worshipper
11-18-2004, 11:11 PM
mars volta pretty much uses 6/4 or something in most of their songs, and also 15/9 i think or something i dunno

TemperamentalGoat
11-18-2004, 11:27 PM
what the hell is a 15/9?

Most of these time signatures that were suggested here probably don't exist and never have. 25/32? Is that even in a song, or an electronic drum beat experiment?

Guys like DEP and Meshuggah don't seem to be using outrageous time signatures to me, they just change it often in a song to throw people off.

Gotkookie
11-18-2004, 11:27 PM
DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN

br3ad_man
11-19-2004, 12:27 AM
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Celestial terrestrial commuter

19/8 I believe.

Have you got that 6/8 worked out yet? :p

Bartender
11-19-2004, 12:33 AM
Ron Jarzombek - Headache And A 64th
65/64 time in the first bit.. it sounds so close to 4/4, but there's just that little bit extra at the end of the bar. after that.. who knows... it's mental, or Spastic if you like..


There's a measure of 1/64 in there too, I think.

extreme_191
11-19-2004, 12:50 AM
Meshuggah-Destroy, Erase, Improve (pretty cool drumming, for me that is)
Mr.Bungle-second album, I forgot the name. Anyways the second or third song has bass and sax playing note for note, when shred riffage comes in with off tempo drums. It's very interesting.

metal_milita
11-19-2004, 12:58 AM
The top number is the NUMBER of notes

The bottom is the TYPE of notes

So 5/4 would be 5 quarter notes.

thats right only to the extent that the bottom number is 4. It gets harder to read or understand when it changes to say an 8 or 16.

but i believe main verse of MOP was written in 4/4 and 13/16.

Vaelroth
11-19-2004, 04:10 AM
I still think this Jazz group > all of Meshuggah and Dellinger with their 3 +3/4 / 4

Essentially its 15/16, but the quarter note gets the beat. Its just about the hardest thing I've ever counted.

Lord Abortion
11-19-2004, 04:50 AM
blood brothers

RunAmokRampant
11-19-2004, 04:59 AM
Sikth has some pretty unusual time signatures. well it sounds like it anyway

Mardy
11-19-2004, 07:06 AM
There's a measure of 1/64 in there too, I think.
Actually, thats what he said, 65/64 would be the same as 4/4 and 1/64. Ron Jarzombek is pretty original.

Also, it often depends on the breaks, fx Spastic Ink can play a simple 4/4 but play it in a way that completely throws you off. I have even composed something in 17/16 that doesn't sound weird.

Anyways,

Meshuggah:
New Millenium Cyanide Christ
I
the interlude in Rational Gaze
...

Spiral Architect:
(Cloud Constructor)
Insect
Spinning
Fountainhead

Metallica:
Master of Puppets :rolleyes:

Dillinger Escape Plan,

Bartender
11-19-2004, 07:11 AM
Actually, thats what he said, 65/64 would be the same as 4/4 and 1/64. Ron Jarzombek is pretty original.


Oh, okay.

TTTSNB
11-19-2004, 07:14 AM
Led Zeppelin The Ocean -15/8 I think
Nah it's a bar of 4, then a bar of 7/8. Its a fairly common odd time sig. 7/8 and 9/8 are some of the more common odd times.

Det_Nosnip
11-19-2004, 08:50 AM
thats right only to the extent that the bottom number is 4. It gets harder to read or understand when it changes to say an 8 or 16.

but i believe main verse of MOP was written in 4/4 and 13/16.

MOP? As in Master of Puppets? That's 4/4 and 5/8, no 13/16. :lol:

Edit: although, if you want to write the barlines rather oddly, you could combine the two measures and make it 8+5, 13/8...but it's definetly not a /16 signature at that tempo.

Mardy
11-19-2004, 08:54 AM
MOP? As in Master of Puppets? That's 4/4 and 5/8, no 13/16. :lol:

:lol:

big
11-19-2004, 08:58 AM
i heard that deep purple: highway star goes into 15/8's i dont know if thats hard but it sounds wierd

metal_sandwich
11-19-2004, 09:45 AM
Planet X. Virgil Donati (the drummer) plays like 17/32 or 7/16. It really not easy.

denboy
11-19-2004, 09:53 AM
Nah it's a bar of 4, then a bar of 7/8. Its a fairly common odd time sig. 7/8 and 9/8 are some of the more common odd times.

Well actually 4/4+7/8= 15/8
But, I guess you wouldn't write it like that

YouGottaBeCrazy
11-19-2004, 01:23 PM
Well, I doubt they really thought about whether it was 4/4 followed by 7/8, or just 15/8. They are the same thing. Although, it does seem to sound like 2 seperate bars because the 2 parts of the riff don't sound anything alike so there's no sense putting it in the same bar.

bobcat911
11-19-2004, 01:30 PM
RUSH - YYZ ...um not sure of the timing but it changes alot and its nuts
Jimmy Swift Band - Two Hands On the Wheel ...11/4 its fun tho!

newWorld
11-19-2004, 01:37 PM
123

3 3/4
_ 4


Thats "three and three-fourths over four" yes.

That better be a joke. Because it can only be expressed in one fraction, and in this case it would be 15/16.

YouGottaBeCrazy
11-19-2004, 01:53 PM
Actually, most of Yyz is in 4/4.

justinw
11-19-2004, 02:11 PM
Meshuggah - Neurotica, it has 15/16, 19/16, 21/16 and a few other pretty odd time signatures.

Crocto
11-19-2004, 02:15 PM
mars volta pretty much uses 6/4 or something in most of their songs, and also 15/9 i think or something i dunno

yeah but the mars volta suck.

DeathHawk
11-19-2004, 02:40 PM
Mars volta use 3/4 almost all the time.

DeathHawk
11-19-2004, 02:41 PM
I think a lot of people are confusing time signatures with the PACE of the songs.

4/4 can be reallllyy slow, or shredding fast.

YouGottaBeCrazy
11-19-2004, 03:56 PM
You can't have 15/9 time. The 9 isn't possible. It's either 2,4,8,12,16,32. I believe that's it. Tempo is what chooses how fast or slow a song is, not time signature.

halfdeadhippo
11-19-2004, 04:24 PM
If memory serves, then Meshuggah's "Rational Gaze" is actually in 4/4. If you listen to it, listen to the cymbals, as they keep a steady beat the whole time. They just play really odd rhythms within 4/4.

justinw
11-19-2004, 05:10 PM
If memory serves, then Meshuggah's "Rational Gaze" is actually in 4/4. If you listen to it, listen to the cymbals, as they keep a steady beat the whole time. They just play really odd rhythms within 4/4.

I think lots of the guitar riffs are in 25/16 & 13/8. On alot of their songs, Tomas Haake plays straight 4/4 with his hands and mimics the guitar rythms with his feet. However they do have quite a few songs that are just 4/4 with really strange rythms and phrasing to make it not sound like 4/4.

Kafkastolemyslippers
11-19-2004, 05:23 PM
Right, Meshuggah has a polyrhythm thing going with the drums on 4/4 and the guitar riffs in different time signatures, and it works because they eventually add to a multiple of the 4/4 signature.

Kwash2
11-19-2004, 06:57 PM
i dont get any of this but meshuggah has some pretty wierd rythyms in some of their songs
im pretty sure those are the same things.......

funny thing is i was in jazz band last year and i dont get this stuff, i just played everything by ear basically
Nope, actually most Meshuggah is straight 4/4. Dead serious.

The beat just falls in different places.

drumguy89
11-19-2004, 07:11 PM
The Ocean switches between 7/8 & 4/4 each measure for a good part of the son

Det_Nosnip
11-19-2004, 07:19 PM
Nope, actually most Meshuggah is straight 4/4. Dead serious.

The beat just falls in different places.

Depends upon your perspective and how you view the music. I believe that Messhugah writes the music by writing odd time guitar riffs and having Haake play straight time with his hands. Because the drums are such an instrumental part of defining the beat, the end product basically sounds like heavily syncopated 4/4 time.

Kwash2
11-19-2004, 07:50 PM
Depends upon your perspective and how you view the music. I believe that Messhugah writes the music by writing odd time guitar riffs and having Haake play straight time with his hands. Because the drums are such an instrumental part of defining the beat, the end product basically sounds like heavily syncopated 4/4 time.
My point exactly.

demon_LLAMA
11-19-2004, 08:27 PM
I'm gonna write a song in THE MOST DIFFICULT TS EVER!!!!!!!

x/y

Four Ton Mantis
11-19-2004, 08:30 PM
its not so weird, listen to money, from pink floyd, youŽll get a very fast n complete understanding of 7/4
offically Money is in 7/8, although i'd call it 7/4 cause you have to count the beat in half time for 7/8 which seems kind of slow.... then later it switches to 4/4.

metal_milita
11-20-2004, 06:16 PM
MOP? As in Master of Puppets? That's 4/4 and 5/8, no 13/16. :lol:

Edit: although, if you want to write the barlines rather oddly, you could combine the two measures and make it 8+5, 13/8...but it's definetly not a /16 signature at that tempo.
5/8 is like 2.5 beats so im guessing you must have more measures than my version.
well i downloaded a guitar pro file that has it in 13/16 and it sounds right. the last slide from (3&5) to (5&7) are 2 SUB-eighthnotes (first note actually a sub-sub-eighthnote, and the last one a dotted SUB-eight-note) . heres what the one measure looks like:
4 beats
-|-------------------------------------|
-|-------------------------------------|
4|-------------------------------------|
-|-------------------------------------|
4|---------------------5-7----8-7-5-7-|
-|--0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-5-0-6-5-3-5--|


3.25 beats
--|------------------------------|
--|------------------------------|
13|------------------------------|
--|------------------------------|
16|---------------------5-7-5-7-|
--|--0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-5-3-5-|

metal_milita
11-20-2004, 06:17 PM
if you really want proof, i can snapshot a picture and show you, or if theres a way for me to post a midi file, i can show that too.

mushroomheadrules
11-20-2004, 06:32 PM
Tool - Schism... still cant keep beat to that song lol, and im a drummer... I can play it if I dont try to count it (as in 1e&a 2e&a 3e&a 4e&a etc.e&a) That song is hard to play on bass, but easy on drums lol

metal_milita
11-20-2004, 06:45 PM
from what I know about time signitures or understand at least, this is something to the effect it means:
the number at the bottom is an indication of what note length the bar is being divided. For example, a 4 means quarter notes, an 8 means eighthnotes etc. I was under the impression they can only be divided into 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 and 32. Those represent the 6 different divisions of a note. When trying to find out which note the bottom number divides to, just divide that number by 4. whatever decimal you get (if any), it should be a note that you recognize for example 0.5= eighth notes. And 0.25=sub-eightnote.
The top note (which is subdivided in the same note as the bottom, ex. if bottom is 8, the number on top is meant to be counted in eighth notes) shows how long the bar is meant to be. The total time of a bar is found by just simply counting.

BOTTON NUMBER ALWAYS HAS TO ADD UP TO 4 BEATS*****
__________________________________________________ ________

X/4 TIME:
4/4= 4 beats because it is being counted by quarter notes, and the top indicates there are to be 4 in total. 4 quarter notes added up is therefore 4 beats.
3/4= 3 beats. It is also counted by quarter notes, and since indicated by the top there is to be 3 of them, you can simple add 3 quarter notes together therefore giving you 3 beats.
*any time signiture over 4, just forget the math and assume the number on top is how many beats there.
** If you're creating time signitures for a song, be aware that X/4 time can only make your bar an even number of beats (ex. no 3.5 pr 2.25 beats, only can be whole numbers without any decimals)
that should be easy to understand I hope

X/8 time:
7/8: 3.5 beats in total. It is being counted by eightnotes because 8 sub-eightnotes is equal to 4 beats (0.5 * 8= 4). The top shows that there is 7 of them. Well 7 eighthnotes added up is equal to 3.5 (0.5 * 7=3.5)
6/8: 3 beats in total. It is being counted by eightnotes because 8 sub-eightnotes is equal to 4 beats (0.5 * 8= 4). The top shows that there is 6 of them. Well 6 eighthnotes added up is equal to 3 (0.5 * 6=3). Also note that if you simplify 6/8, it is 3/4. Both of them end up giving you 3 beats to a measure (if confused of how 3/4 also makes sense, remember that it is a whole number with no decimals).

CONCLUSION: the bottom number is divided by 4. Take your resultant and multiply it by the top number. The result of that is how many beats you should have


Do I need to show the rest also? Hope you got it (im a horrible explainer, sorry)

spitfirejunky
11-20-2004, 06:47 PM
5/8 is like 2.5 beats so im guessing you must have more measures than my version.
well i downloaded a guitar pro file that has it in 13/16 and it sounds right. the last slide from (3&5) to (5&7) are 2 SUB-eighthnotes (first note actually a sub-sub-eighthnote, and the last one a dotted SUB-eight-note) . heres what the one measure looks like:
4 beats
-|-------------------------------------|
-|-------------------------------------|
4|-------------------------------------|
-|-------------------------------------|
4|---------------------5-7----8-7-5-7-|
-|--0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-5-0-6-5-3-5--|


3.25 beats
--|------------------------------|
--|------------------------------|
13|------------------------------|
--|------------------------------|
16|---------------------5-7-5-7-|
--|--0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-5-3-5-|

3.25 beats a measure? Hmmm... I guess it's feasable to corrolate other time signatures to 4/4 just to make sense of it. But I have an easier time with raw conceptions. 13/16 means there are 13 notes a measure, all in 16ths, that's all. No hassle. Playing it is when it starts getting tricky. ;)

The JoZ
11-20-2004, 06:49 PM
Tool - Schism... still cant keep beat to that song lol, and im a drummer... I can play it if I dont try to count it (as in 1e&a 2e&a 3e&a 4e&a etc.e&a) That song is hard to play on bass, but easy on drums lol


The main section of Schism goes from 5/8 to 7/8, alternating.

Tails
11-20-2004, 06:55 PM
6/8: 3 beats in total. It is being counted by eightnotes because 8 sub-eightnotes is equal to 4 beats (0.5 * 8= 4). The top shows that there is 6 of them. Well 6 eighthnotes added up is equal to 3 (0.5 * 6=3). Also note that if you simplify 6/8, it is 3/4. Both of them end up giving you 3 beats to a measure (if confused of how 3/4 also makes sense, remember that it is a whole number with no decimals).


Actually, 6/8 feels like 2/4 with triplets. Just like how 12/8 feels like 4/4 with triplets, which is why it is commonly used in blues.

Mardy
11-20-2004, 06:56 PM
The main section of Schism goes from 5/8 to 7/8, alternating.
I thought the main riff was in 12/8 and the following 'heavy'part with the main riff going to the a string is in 13/8 ?

HaVIC5
11-20-2004, 07:04 PM
You can't have half of a beat in a time signature. 3/4 has three beats where a quarter note gets the beat, 7/8 has seven, where the eighth note gets the beat.

The JoZ
11-20-2004, 07:48 PM
I thought the main riff was in 12/8 and the following 'heavy'part with the main riff going to the a string is in 13/8 ?


5/8 + 7/8 = 12/8

If you count it "1 2 3 4 5, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7" it flows better than "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12"

You're right about the 13/8 section, but I've always counted that "1 2 3 4 5 6 7, 1 2 3 4 5 6"

Same idea as the main riff, but you add a count.

Mardy
11-20-2004, 08:03 PM
5/8 + 7/8 = 12/8

If you count it "1 2 3 4 5, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7" it flows better than "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12"

You're right about the 13/8 section, but I've always counted that "1 2 3 4 5 6 7, 1 2 3 4 5 6"

Same idea as the main riff, but you add a count.

Stupid me, I should have known that.

AimlessDave
11-20-2004, 09:28 PM
or 1/1 i guesssss


never heard it used in a song though

I guess you could say that the very first part of System of a Down's song "Prison Song" is in 1/1. It just goes BAM! And that's the whole measure.

Everything_and_Nothing_3:15
11-20-2004, 09:30 PM
Numerous Planet X songs are in very weird time signatures.
Some one else on this boards actually knows about Planet X. Virgil owns all. :thumb: Marco Minnemann is god when it comes to switching time sigs.

Mardy
11-21-2004, 08:08 AM
I guess you could say that the very first part of System of a Down's song "Prison Song" is in 1/1. It just goes BAM! And that's the whole measure.

nah, I think the composers had something else in mind, like a 4/4, its way more practical.
like:

4/4
|---------|-------|-------|--------|
|---------|-------|-------|--------|
|---------|-------|-------|--------|
|-BAM!----|-------|-------|--------|
__1___+___2___+___3___+___4___+___

and
1/1
|------------------------------------|
|------------------------------------|
|------------------------------------|
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dave grohl
11-21-2004, 08:16 AM
theres a rush song where in one part the time signiture changes every bar.

HaVIC5
11-21-2004, 08:53 AM
If you count it "1 2 3 4 5, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7" it flows better than "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12"

It can go either way, since it would be a compound 12/8 in 5 and 7. But you're right, 5/8 and 7/8 does make it a little easier to think in.

ZOSO68
11-21-2004, 09:13 AM
The top number is the NUMBER of notes

The bottom is the TYPE of notes

So 5/4 would be 5 quarter notes.

Actually, the top number stands for how many Beats are in the measure, not the number of notes in the measure.

ZOSO68
11-21-2004, 09:17 AM
There is a classical song in which the performing ensemble is divided up right down the middle from where the conductor stands to the back and the left half of the band is in 4/4 time and the right half of the band is in 3/4 time. The conductor has to conduct the left half with his left hand in a 4/4 pattern and the right half with his right hand in a 3/4 pattern. The two patterns line up something like every 12 measures or so.

sounds_of_sanguinity
11-21-2004, 10:40 AM
theres a rush song where in one part the time signiture changes every bar.

"Cygnus X-1?"

I am
11-25-2004, 03:26 AM
There is a classical song in which the performing ensemble is divided up right down the middle from where the conductor stands to the back and the left half of the band is in 4/4 time and the right half of the band is in 3/4 time. The conductor has to conduct the left half with his left hand in a 4/4 pattern and the right half with his right hand in a 3/4 pattern. The two patterns line up something like every 12 measures or so.
what does the music sound like

Diatonic Dissonance™
11-25-2004, 03:53 AM
4/4 will forever elude me.
:lol:

Guitarromanic
11-25-2004, 05:50 AM
I still think 5/4 is hard cause its a rushed kind of feeling into the next measure. 5/4 songs have rushed feelings to the way they sound and are played, and then having a time sig change to 4/4 and back again in the same song is tough. :smash:

Bartender
11-25-2004, 07:44 AM
There is a classical song in which the performing ensemble is divided up right down the middle from where the conductor stands to the back and the left half of the band is in 4/4 time and the right half of the band is in 3/4 time. The conductor has to conduct the left half with his left hand in a 4/4 pattern and the right half with his right hand in a 3/4 pattern. The two patterns line up something like every 12 measures or so.

I'd like to hear that.

Anarchy for the UK
11-25-2004, 08:43 AM
a lot of rush's stuff has weird time signatures. i think la villa strangiato has something like 3/5

Anarchy for the UK
11-25-2004, 08:43 AM
theres a rush song where in one part the time signiture changes every bar.
la villa strangiato

You were my last great war
11-25-2004, 09:25 AM
I still think 5/4 is hard cause its a rushed kind of feeling into the next measure. 5/4 songs have rushed feelings to the way they sound and are played, and then having a time sig change to 4/4 and back again in the same song is tough. :smash:


Listen to the beggining beat in The Patient by Tool its 5/4 yet it sounds so naturaul and unrushed like you said but i do understand what your saying being a drummer

denboy
11-25-2004, 01:01 PM
I still think 5/4 is hard cause its a rushed kind of feeling into the next measure. 5/4 songs have rushed feelings to the way they sound and are played, and then having a time sig change to 4/4 and back again in the same song is tough. :smash:

5/4 sounding rushed?.. I disagree!.. Very much, how can something, with an extra beat sound rushed?.. It's the opposite.. IMO
7/8 sounds rushed on the other hand.. A bit like someone talking without taking breaks to breathe.

ShredMachine
11-25-2004, 01:05 PM
a lot of rush's stuff has weird time signatures. i think la villa strangiato has something like 3/5You can't have 3/5 :lol: The bottom number has to be an exponent of 2.

ShredMachine
11-25-2004, 01:07 PM
Some one else on this boards actually knows about Planet X. Virgil owns all. :thumb: Marco Minnemann is god when it comes to switching time sigs.Dude, Virgil said once that their most exotic time signature is 4/4. I love him.

outboyle
11-25-2004, 01:33 PM
Rational Gaze from Meshuggah is in 15/8 and thats pretty gimped in the *** i'd say

DeathHawk
11-25-2004, 01:47 PM
Actually, the top number stands for how many Beats are in the measure, not the number of notes in the measure.



Eh, thats what I meant.


But I didn't want to throw such obscure terms like "Measures" in this topic, where only about 6 people actually know music theory.

Anarchy for the UK
11-25-2004, 02:50 PM
You can't have 3/5 :lol: The bottom number has to be an exponent of 2.
well it was something weird. i think that was a typo anyway. i dont read music anyway, i'm all for working stuff out or getting tabs

metal_milita
11-25-2004, 11:08 PM
I guess you could say that the very first part of System of a Down's song "Prison Song" is in 1/1. It just goes BAM! And that's the whole measure.

OR, the rested for the beginning 3 beats of the song and started on the 4th beat. OR they had a pickup. Theres no such measure as 1/1. I've never heard the song though, so i can't speak for sure.

Kwash2
11-25-2004, 11:19 PM
a lot of rush's stuff has weird time signatures. i think la villa strangiato has something like 3/5
We've been over this.

Although, I have been thinking, can't it be technically feasible for there to be a number that isnt a multiple of 4 as the bottom number?

bassman9985
11-25-2004, 11:27 PM
..you're right, 5/8 and 7/8 does make it a little easier to think in.
I always try to break a complex rhythm in two.

Most rock, metal, and fusion lines are pretty simple to split into a few odd parts, as compared to taking on the whole mess at once.

Davidian85
11-25-2004, 11:56 PM
heh heh, i reckon Slipknots Everything Ends, that chorus is pretty ****ed up lol

Dance of Maya
12-01-2004, 03:03 PM
wow, i'm somewhat surprised that no one has mentioned 'electric dreams, electric sighs' from jm's 'electric dreams' lp. 23/8, and freakin' hard to play.

by the way, i have seen sheet music in 3/5. it's indian notation, and can be worked out to a 2.4 beat measure over a song played in 4, which is nearly typical of asian music. Normally in indian music, however, the time signature switches every 2 measures (see guardian angels, 5/4 *2, 3/4 *2), so 3/5 is just jazz for them.

ddeadheadd
12-01-2004, 05:13 PM
yes and phish use some pretty wacked time signatures.

disasterpiece_012345678_515
12-01-2004, 05:32 PM
the bass on the soft part on mudvayne's severed....I had to listen to the song about 20 times in a row to get it right

ToRidTheDisease
12-01-2004, 05:32 PM
the bass on the soft part on mudvayne's severed....I had to listen to the song about 20 times in a row to get it right
Good song.

Zach De La Ro
12-01-2004, 05:38 PM
there was this one genesis song with an insane time signature (sorry, forgot the name) and in some interview they said they loved seeing people dance to it, look confused for a second, and start dancing again...

wow

Deadman390
12-01-2004, 05:41 PM
i think that tool would take that b/c they switch time sig. like i eat food (fast and often) so tool has my vote

bassi3
12-01-2004, 05:59 PM
We've been over this.

Although, I have been thinking, can't it be technically feasible for there to be a number that isnt a multiple of 4 as the bottom number?

I think there is... for example... If you want to write down a 3/4 in triplets, you can make it a 9/8 or a 9/9, after all, a 3/4 in triplets means the measure is divided in 9 pieces... But that's just my weird brain thinking....

ShiningFate
12-01-2004, 06:07 PM
odd, but seems no one's mentioned Mudvayne. not like i'm a hardcore fan (or even know what time sig's they normally play) or anything, but it used to seem if friends talked about weird sig's, someone would bring them up. i think i vaguely remember something about a 9/16, but could be way off.

ShiningFate
12-01-2004, 06:09 PM
err... stand corrected, someone did bring them up. disregard my previous comment, and this one, too.

Dance of Maya
12-01-2004, 06:46 PM
you should have signed out: with disregards, ShiningFate. lol

Ironically, many people are ignorant to the fact that a song could be plain 4/4, and still sound just as rhythmically complicated as something in 13/8. See 'Peace One'. I love that bass line.

Duman
04-18-2006, 07:28 AM
I think Dream Theater's Dance Of Eternity wins.

here comes the bird flu
06-03-2006, 10:07 PM
The Dillinger Escape Plan.

Tyler
06-03-2006, 10:08 PM
Well, I guess since it's already bumped (by spammers mind you), I'll post.

I dont feel dissonant time signatures are worth mentioning if they're unlistenable.

here comes the bird flu
06-03-2006, 10:10 PM
Well, I guess since it's already bumped (by spammers mind you), I'll post.

I dont feel dissonant time signatures are worth mentioning if they're unlistenable.

Are you reffering to my post?

Tyler
06-03-2006, 10:12 PM
Not at all, I just meant in general.

My primary example is Meshuggah. Most of their polyrhythms dont sound good.

Talc
06-03-2006, 10:15 PM
"Portraits of Tracy" by Jaco P. is just like a song hey wrote while jaming and there is not really time signature. But to tab it out, the Guitar Pro file I have jund between different time signature in ajacent measure. It goes from 15/8 to 6/8 in one measure to 17/8 in the next or crazy things like that.

The other band I can think of is Meshuggah.

ghettoeddo
06-03-2006, 10:52 PM
obviously dream theater has many songs where they constantly keep the /8 or /16 the same while shifting the top from 5-6-7-9.
octavarium has sections where it's in 3/16 etc.

easiest way to play (if there is one) polyrhythms is just to ignore the fact that the time signature is changing. unless you're a drummer. just get it in your ear as to how it goes and play.

Duncster
06-03-2006, 11:38 PM
First of all, The Ocean is in 15/8

Noones mentioned Gates of Delirium by Yes? Not much can top that.
This encouraged me to count out some tool songs...
Tool - Undertow 11/8 at end.. in the middle though 13/8 + 15/8 for about a minute or so.
Tool - The part in Jambi at 3:44. Whaa???
Same with the guitar at the end of Rosetta Stoned. Danny n Justin don't even try to follow it. :p
Primus - 11 11/8

King_Of_Terrors
06-03-2006, 11:47 PM
My band's songs are mainly in 4/4, but there are a fair share in 3/4, 6/4, and there are alot of parts in our songs that have 7/4 and 9/8... 7/4 is used alot, not sure how though...:lol:

But Dream Theater's Dance Of Eternity has alot.

Drunken Viking
06-03-2006, 11:48 PM
I can't even tell when a song is in a different time signature. I just ask my brother if it sounds weird. So basically any Tool song I listen to I ask him. :lol:

King_Of_Terrors
06-03-2006, 11:50 PM
Just count quarter notes. one, two, three, four, and just keep counting until a new measure starts. Somehow, you just KNOW when the new measure comes. It just comes naturally for me.

Killtacular
06-03-2006, 11:54 PM
I saw a transcription of a Zappa song in 34/16.

teh weird

King_Of_Terrors
06-04-2006, 12:04 AM
17/8

Duncster
06-04-2006, 12:41 AM
Just count quarter notes. one, two, three, four, and just keep counting until a new measure starts. Somehow, you just KNOW when the new measure comes. It just comes naturally for me.
It's the counting that people don't get at first.

MarkTremonti
06-04-2006, 12:45 AM
Tool-Right in Two 11/4

Killtacular
06-04-2006, 12:45 AM
17/8
It's a time signature, not a fraction.

Duncster
06-04-2006, 01:03 AM
It's a time signature, not a fraction.
17/8 is a time signature....

ghettoeddo
06-04-2006, 01:08 AM
Tool-Right in Two 11/4

isn't mark tremonti the creed guitarrist...?

instead of counting quarter notes...subdivide into 8th notes. much more accurate that way. unless it's going by way too fast.

King_Of_Terrors
06-04-2006, 01:15 AM
Actually it isn't more accurate, because you may end up counting quarter triplets, therefore counting 1 2 3 4 5 6, so then you think the song is in 3/4, but it's not. I had that problem for awhile.

ghettoeddo
06-04-2006, 01:20 AM
subdivision is always more accurate rhythymically. i know i spelled that wrong.

how do you confuse duple and triple rhythm? I CANT SPEL RHYTM TODAY! oh my god i give up. rhythym. rhythm. dear lord.

Slapping Penguin
06-04-2006, 01:53 AM
Necrophagist People! Good god!

nowitzki
06-04-2006, 05:57 AM
But Dream Theater's Dance Of Eternity has alot.Indeed it does.

Amit
06-04-2006, 06:12 AM
this is easy

mahavishnu orchestra - celestial terrestrial commuters

JamJar
06-04-2006, 06:13 AM
subdivision is always more accurate rhythymically. i know i spelled that wrong.

how do you confuse duple and triple rhythm? I CANT SPEL RHYTM TODAY! oh my god i give up. rhythym. rhythm. dear lord.

Remember, it's Rhythm Has Your Two Hips Moving!

No matter what time signitute I say, it's already going to have been said in this thread, so I won't.

King_Of_Terrors
06-04-2006, 07:55 AM
Remember, it's Rhythm Has Your Two Hips Moving!

No matter what time signitute I say, it's already going to have been said in this thread, so I won't.

31/32?

Smackers
06-04-2006, 08:31 AM
54/32, 23/4, 2/32, 66/66 All of which are used in Faerie's Death Waltz which can be found here (http://memo.xight.org/images/web/2005-01-03-08-01.jpg) and here. (http://memo.xight.org/images/web/2005-01-03-08-02.jpg)

Toaster
06-04-2006, 08:42 AM
54/32, 23/4, 2/32, 66/66 All of which are used in Faerie's Death Waltz which can be found here (http://memo.xight.org/images/web/2005-01-03-08-01.jpg) and here. (http://memo.xight.org/images/web/2005-01-03-08-02.jpg)

:lol:

That Mahavishnu Orchestra song is pretty strange.

YouGottaBeCrazy
06-04-2006, 08:56 AM
wow, why the hell would someone bump my thread from more than a year ago?

Kreator2112
06-04-2006, 09:08 AM
I've had 2.5/6 and 2.5/12

MRDuCran
06-04-2006, 09:20 AM
Anyone can write a riff in 7/8, 13/16, 15/16, 31/32...but if you phrase the notes within the beat in a certain way, it'll sound pretty straight forward.

Or phrasing the notes weird in a bar of 4/4, that's what I like to hear rather than actually being stupidly technical, it just get boring after a while if it's too much imo.

FistfulOfSteel
06-04-2006, 10:03 AM
Mastodon has some odd ones. 11/8, 13/8 etc.

Amit
06-04-2006, 11:59 AM
Man, that link don't look too friendly...

ghettoeddo
06-04-2006, 12:22 PM
i sightread that piece perfectly my first time through :rolleyes:

Or phrasing the notes weird in a bar of 4/4, that's what I like to hear rather than actually being stupidly technical, it just get boring after a while if it's too much imo.

that is a very good point. props :]

lak89
06-04-2006, 12:26 PM
DT's "The Dance Of Eternity" have really weird and lots of changing time signatures, such as 5/8, 14/16, 15/16, 11/4, it's takes forever to figure the whole structure out

ghettoeddo
06-04-2006, 12:29 PM
yea it changes a lot, but it really isn't too hard to figure it out. if yo listen to the song enough times, then you can stop trying to count 1, 2, 3, 4...15 in your head and just play.

Poofy 666
06-04-2006, 12:30 PM
19/16 is a bitch to play in

ghettoeddo
06-04-2006, 12:32 PM
i'd think of it as 5/4 then. with one less 16th note. i know that sounds obvious, but it really helps. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5twothree next bar please.
i've played my share of 19/16, 15/16, 17/16 bars and i know its easier said than done.

Lord of Sword
06-04-2006, 12:36 PM
Messaien's Quartet for the End of Time. It has all the different instruments playing complex, completely different time signatures to the others, or something like that.

Killtacular
06-04-2006, 12:48 PM
17/8 is a time signature....
I mentioned 34/16 and he posted 17/8, as if to correct me.

Necrophagist People! Good god!
Yes, because 4/4 is just so off the wall, only Germans can comprehend it.



Also, that Faerie's Aire and Death Waltz is infinitely hilarious. I feel like buying a poster of it now.

Tyler
06-04-2006, 01:30 PM
wow, why the hell would someone bump my thread from more than a year ago?
Some spammer bumped it, so we jut sort of got it going again

BringHomeTheBacon
06-04-2006, 01:37 PM
Apparently Radiohead's "Pyramid Song" is in no time signature at all. It's just like improvised time.

Shattered_Future
06-04-2006, 01:57 PM
I heard from somewhere that New Milennium Cyanide Christ by Meshuggah has one measure the whole song. I think it works out to 216/7 or something ridiculous like that.

Moses
06-04-2006, 02:01 PM
There'd be no point to a time signature then.

...?

YouGottaBeCrazy
06-04-2006, 02:23 PM
Some spammer bumped it, so we jut sort of got it going again

ah okay, its all good

MRDuCran
06-04-2006, 02:27 PM
Ooo, it's in 4/4, but try and play In Death Is Death by Meshuggah. The intro is a 16 bar phrase and doesn't repeat, just fukking randomness. It does sound pretty ghey imo though, but it's kinda funny to listen to.

denboy
06-04-2006, 04:05 PM
Apparently Radiohead's "Pyramid Song" is in no time signature at all. It's just like improvised time.

No, Pyramid song is in 4/4.. obviously. There's even drums on the tracks that emphasize this

Deth
06-04-2006, 04:36 PM
Yes, because 4/4 is just so off the wall, only Germans can comprehend it.


Go listen to Fermented Offal Discharge and get back to me.

Dr. Jake Destructo
06-04-2006, 04:57 PM
Pain of Salvation's "People Passing By" has a section of the song with four bars alternating between 12/8, 15/8, 12/8, and 18/8. So basically if you want to a be a pretentious prog-head you could say the riff is in 57/8 time.

Killtacular
06-04-2006, 05:06 PM
Go listen to Fermented Offal Discharge and get back to me.
I did. 4/4. Good game.

The only Necrophagist song I can think of not in common time is Seven, which is in, surprisingly, 7/8.

ghettoeddo
06-04-2006, 05:08 PM
no time signature is too weird anymore :rolleyes:

i dont see the need to have so many time sig. changes. sometimes, it disrupts the flow of the musical line

Killtacular
06-04-2006, 05:14 PM
Because it makes you cool.

Why else would you do anything unusual?

Dr. Jake Destructo
06-04-2006, 05:18 PM
For me, writing in wierd time signatures is just sort of a way to purely write music for myself. Like today, I wrote a riff in 7/4, but transcribed it in 4/4. 3 phrases of the 7 riff, and an added riff played in 4, while the drums are playing in 4 the entire time. I like it, but I doubt anyone else would think it was even coherent. :p

ghettoeddo
06-04-2006, 05:26 PM
mm i guess so.
but i swear sometimes it's done just so that they can...say they did it.
im the biggest dream theater fanboy, but sometimes their use of polyrhtyhms over and over again really annoys me.

Moses
06-04-2006, 05:52 PM
For me, writing in wierd time signatures is just sort of a way to purely write music for myself. Like today, I wrote a riff in 7/4, but transcribed it in 4/4. 3 phrases of the 7 riff, and an added riff played in 4, while the drums are playing in 4 the entire time. I like it, but I doubt anyone else would think it was even coherent. :p
It's called syncopation, except your's is more extended.....


Ewww extended.
mm i guess so.
but i swear sometimes it's done just so that they can...say they did it.
im the biggest dream theater fanboy, but sometimes their use of polyrhtyhms over and over again really annoys me.
DT doesn't use polyrhythms much...

denboy
06-04-2006, 06:01 PM
Sometimes I change time sigs to "free up" the song.. Shake it a bit loose, make it feel less formularic

ghettoeddo
06-04-2006, 06:04 PM
idk i think it's fine. just not in excess. then it starts to really sound disjointed.

what exactly are polyrhythms then moses?
maybe im under the wrong impression of what they are...

Dr. Jake Destructo
06-04-2006, 06:08 PM
It's called syncopation, except your's is more extended.....


Ewww extended.

I take pride in my extention, thank you very much. :p

So, for the sake of solidifying my understanding of 'syncopation,' would the main riff of Schism be syncopated into bars of 5 and 7 when really it's just a riff of 12 beats?

gillygan
06-04-2006, 06:12 PM
What is a polyrhthym?

Dr. Jake Destructo
06-04-2006, 06:41 PM
Drums play in y/4, guitars play in x/4, where x is anything other than y.

Amit
06-04-2006, 07:17 PM
John Cage's 4'33"

Delay Pedal Boy
06-04-2006, 07:44 PM
John Cage's 4'33"
John Cage FTW
/thread

gillygan
06-04-2006, 08:16 PM
Drums play in y/4, guitars play in x/4, where x is anything other than y.

Ahh, thank you. 'Learn somethin new everyday.

Duncster
06-04-2006, 08:17 PM
What is a polyrhthym?
Listen to tools new album :thumb:. Its loaded with polyrhythms. Especially on Rosetta Stoned! And Jambi.
If you listen to Eulogy during the drum break he is playing different limbs in different time signatures. That will give you an idea of what a polyrhythm is.

Dr. Jake Destructo
06-04-2006, 08:18 PM
I was hoping that was coherent enough to understand, heh.

Tyler
06-04-2006, 08:19 PM
Well, the different limb thing is just known as something along the lines of "independant drumming" or some **** like that. It's apparently really hard to do. I can see why.

Dr. Jake Destructo
06-04-2006, 08:27 PM
I've done it before on my belly. RH in 3/4 LH in 4/4.

:cool:

Pinhead13
06-04-2006, 08:30 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_works_in_irregular_time_signatures


:)

Dr. Jake Destructo
06-04-2006, 08:47 PM
I saw that list once. Not exactly close to complete.

I was at a friends house the other day, and he let me listen to this song he's been working on. It is really in no time signature at all, but all of the parts (guitar, bass, drums) match up. Essentially, it's random spurts of sound laiden with a lot of rests in between. :p It's still cool though. Very Fantomas-esque while maintaining the same style.

So..I guess it's not very Fantomas-esque, heh.

Duncster
06-04-2006, 09:05 PM
Well, the different limb thing is just known as something along the lines of "independant drumming" or some **** like that. It's apparently really hard to do. I can see why.
yeah thats a polyrhythm
cant use grammar or punctuation because keyboard broke
and to jack destructo yeah three over four is a good easy one to tap out

Bfhurricane
06-04-2006, 09:48 PM
but i believe main verse of MOP was written in 4/4 and 13/16.
Im pretty sure that entire song is in 4/4 though I could be mistaken. Bach liked to switch around in time signatures here and there. Dream Theater is the master of switching time signatures without you even knowing it. Between the Buried and Me... I couldnt even tell you what time signature their sh1t is in. I doubt they even have a time signature, it sounds like they play until theyre tired.

Moses
06-04-2006, 10:05 PM
Sorry but TDEP, Meshuggah, Spastic Ink and Planet X are the top rhythm guys right now,

Dr. Jake Destructo
06-04-2006, 10:20 PM
Spastic Ink, holy crap. They amaze to no end.

Moses
06-04-2006, 10:28 PM
Bobby Jarzombek is a ****ing crazy drummer. I swear he should have gotten farther in the polls.

SubtleDagger
06-04-2006, 10:37 PM
There's a powertab of Dillinger Escape Plan's "43% Burnt" if you'd like to see some odd time sig changes.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/d/dillinger_escape_plan/43_burnt_power_tab.htm

Tyler
06-04-2006, 10:39 PM
Bobby Jarzombek is a ****ing crazy drummer. I swear he should have gotten farther in the polls.
He is GROSSLY underrated, as is Ron at guitar. Those two are so ****ing original, and they're related. Not fair.

I can't wait for Ron Jarzombek's new project with Alex Webster and Derek Roddy

MRDuCran
06-05-2006, 08:29 AM
Sorry but TDEP, Meshuggah, Spastic Ink and Planet X are the top rhythm guys right now,

Fukk, I just downloaded "School", it's awesome.

Dancin' Man
06-05-2006, 08:50 AM
DEP does a lot of changing. Those really rhythmic sections of theirs are usually seemingly random streches of time signatures switching.

MRDuCran
06-05-2006, 09:06 AM
I downloaded that powertab of Dillinger Escape Plan's "43% Burnt", it was so horrible, I can't believe people play stuff like that.

Deth
06-05-2006, 09:35 AM
I did. 4/4. Good game.

The only Necrophagist song I can think of not in common time is Seven, which is in, surprisingly, 7/8.
Sorry, I didn't look at the tab first. About half the song is in 4/4. It does change between 4/4, 5/4, 12/8 8/8 and 9/8 in parts though.

zabbit82
06-05-2006, 10:35 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_works_in_irregular_time_signatures


:)
Whoa! I didn't know Yes's "Heart Of The Sunrise" was partialy in 5/4. I didn't know what it was period.

thatscooliguess
06-05-2006, 11:31 AM
i think money from pink floyd is pritty messed up as far as time sig goes.... to be honest ive heard a lot of weird timing before but i dont really know how to read it or anythng so......

nowitzki
06-05-2006, 11:54 AM
Turn It On Again by Genesis is in 13/4 which is pretty odd considering its a pop song.

ghettoeddo
06-05-2006, 02:31 PM
i think money from pink floyd is pritty messed up as far as time sig goes.... to be honest ive heard a lot of weird timing before but i dont really know how to read it or anythng so......

it's in 7. well that's how i counted it.
i guess yo could do 4 then 3

mostafagalal
12-26-2009, 07:32 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_works_in_irregular_time_signatures


:)

Yeah, I was going to post that too. I created an account in this forum just to reply to this thread. If you want the weirdest time signatures, then it's progressive rock/metal that you're looking at here.

Dream Theater have a plethora of crazy time signatures and time signature changes in their songs. Their song "The Dance of Eternity" (from the album Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory) "contains mixtures of faster and slower beat groupings in 8, 7, 6, 5, and 4. It goes through 104 time signature changes in just over six minutes." [Quoted straight from Wikipedia] :smash: :lol:

lak89
12-26-2009, 08:26 PM
Spiral Architect uses really odd time signatures

Aaron
12-26-2009, 09:13 PM
Non-standard time signatures aren't weird. Can't you dudes count?

jebus FX
12-26-2009, 09:20 PM
Meshuggah has the weirdest time signatures you people will ever listen.

Moon Flavor
12-26-2009, 09:22 PM
Non-standard time signatures aren't weird. Can't you dudes count?

This.

I find myself writing stuff in 7 and 5 on accident just as much as I do 4 or 3. It's just the corporate laboratory-produced pop music that's been shoved down our throats our whole lives that makes anything other than 4/4 "weird"

edit: meshuggah doesn't have that weird of time signatures especially when compared to a lot of jazz and fusion... and when you count a lot of their songs they're usually just in 4/4 but have odd rhythms. Maybe some 9/8 or something sometimes but nothing spectacularly crazy

Aaron
12-26-2009, 09:31 PM
The intervals will never be larger than division of 3. How is it hard to count to 3?

Moon Flavor
12-26-2009, 09:32 PM
The intervals will never be larger than division of 3. How is it hard to count to 3?

For most Meshuggah fans...?

quite difficult

P13
12-26-2009, 10:19 PM
my friend writes stuff in 17/16 sometimes, pisses the **** out of everyone trying to write parts to it

adb
12-26-2009, 11:02 PM
He is GROSSLY underrated, as is Ron at guitar. Those two are so ****ing original, and they're related. Not fair.

I can't wait for Ron Jarzombek's new project with Alex Webster and Derek Roddy

agree w/ 3 and a half year old Cocaine post

(*The Noonward Race*)
12-26-2009, 11:10 PM
theres tons of music with no time signatures

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1E962_xpAw

here is the mahavishnu orchestra
the first slow ominous part is in 7/8
but
the second part is 19/16 with intense playing at roughly 220~ bpm
shreadddddddddddss

Carl Sagan
12-26-2009, 11:21 PM
meshuggah doesn't have that weird of time signatures especially when compared to a lot of jazz and fusion...

you know someone doesnt listen to jazz when they say stuff like this

(*The Noonward Race*)
12-26-2009, 11:28 PM
^123

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuJCp9wsaj8

this is more "time signature complex :rolleyes:" than meshuggah..

Tyler
12-26-2009, 11:46 PM
This was a pretty jazz-metal bump but I'm going to lock it now k.