Dream Theater

[SonorKen]

K, Im tired of the 20 DT threads a day. Post it all here. Now I have a reason to ban people who annoy me with the threads!!!!

And here is my official thoughts on the band.

"Probably a good idea. You'll cut the amount of threads by at least 300. Sometimes I wonder if anybody has anything new to say about them, you know? Everybody thinks they're awesome, awesome, awesome. "Portnoy's so good! Petrucci's the best guitarist alive!" etc. etc. It'd be interesting to see which directions an official thread would go in."

[Cain]

Nice quote, SFK. hahahaha thanks!

Anyway, let's get this ball rolling. My first DT album was 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence, and I was awestruck by the utter superiority of the songwriting and technical abilities of the band. I'm a bit curious, though, because 6 Degrees remains my favorite album despite owning nearly every album they've got(except for...what was it...Dreams and...something.... ;) ). But most people on mx seem to dislike it quite a bit. Why so? Feel free to include your own personal favorite, with reasons.

(I don't know...is this how the official threads start? Oh well)

[SonorKen]

hahaha yea, good enough. I do like Dream Theater. The whole band is massively talented. I have the Portnoy drumming dvds and he is really a cool guy. He is a good drummer, I don't think he is a phenominal drummer, but very good.

[Cain]

hahaha yea, good enough. I do like Dream Theater. The whole band is massively talented. I have the Portnoy drumming dvds and he is really a cool guy. He is a good drummer, I don't think he is a phenominal drummer, but very good.

I tend to agree. Portnoy is very technically capable, but there seems to be a bit of stagnation setting in as far as the level of creativity he has when constructing his beats on recent releases, particularly Train of Thought. Personally, I think our Sonor posterboy, Danny Carey, beats the crap out of Portnoy any day of the week, but Portnoy is still very good. He may, however, (dare I say it?) be declining. But hey, if Neil Peart can take drum lessons, so can Mikey.

[mprules]

fav album is images and words

metropolis pt.1 rules

[Riva]

Images and Words was my first DT album. I absolutely loved it, and it led me to my second, 6DOIT. Loved that as well. I'm currently looking for a third album to purchase, but I can only find FIF, which I have been warned against.

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

Great idea guys, and good job SFK for putting it up, we needed it.

But anywho, my first full Dream Theater album was Scenes From A Memory, and it blew me away the first time I listened to it. The first Dream Theater song I heard was Erotomania, and that too blew my mind of what skill was and what an insturmental was as well...

[Otherside]

First song: Glass Prison
First CD: SDOIT
Second CD: SFAM

[manuscriptreplica]

Well this is doing well for itself...

[LordDargon]

My first DT was entitled "Wankery"



/me runs

[manuscriptreplica]

Mine was 'We have incredible talent, but we choose to not show it in our songwriting!'

[LordDargon]

I need to get that one

[LordDargon]

Do you think "WE OWN YOU WITH OUR MIGHTY AXE WIZARDY" is any good?

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

Listen to Scenes From A Memory and A Change Of Season's and tell me they have no song writing ability.

[manuscriptreplica]

A change of seasons is a good album, so is Scenes from a Memory, but I don't like any more of their stuff.

I did a review on ACOS, check it out :)

[the2stranger]

couldn't resist, great band, love them

images and words is my fav by them


does anyone have the train of thought live cd?

I think it's cool, although James holds back a bit too much with singing, maybe to safe his voice?

good nontheless

[chrisb750]

Everybody get the Live at Budokan DVD, it is one of the most amazing dvd's I have ever seen. Go get it if you dont have it..... NOW.

[Mr.FreV]

The Scenes From New York dvd is pretty cool ,too!!i'll buy the live at budokan dvd for 100% but i didnt have the chance yet hehe!^^

[-Listy-]

Was listening to songs from the live at Budokan cd, some of the most boring **** ive ever heard IMO, they arent called Dream Theater for nothing, its enough to put you to sleep

[Distorted Vision]

Dream Theater are probably still my favourite band, but to be honest after nearly 3 years of holding that No.1 spot I've kinda lost interest. There's just so much more stuff that I listen to now. Still, even though they aren't as regular on my playlist now, some songs still remain some of my favourites, in particular A Change Of Seasons, which is probably my favourite song ever.

I just realised I haven't bothered to listen to Scenes From A Memory in about 5 months, even though at one point it was my favourite album.

[Quebec]

I think DT is my fav band. They are incredible. Both Petrucci and Portnoy are f***in incredibly good! I own 6DOIT and Train of thought, I wanna Buy SFAM.

A change of seaseon is prorbably their best song, one of their longest too, its 23 min long! But the 6 degrees of inner turbulence song lasts 42 f***in minutes!

Yeah, they are a great band...

[Reidie86]

i have scenes from a memory, awake, images and words, trasin of thaught and a change of seasons they all are awsome, and unique

[biaxident]

I still don't see how people can call Dream Theater bad song writers....

Anyway, my favourite album is probably Awake, favourite song off that album is Voices. My favourite Dream Theater song off all time though is definately Metropolis Part One.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

My first DT was entitled "Wankery"



/me runs

:lol:

:smash:

[Lars_ironcobra_doublepedal]

K, Im tired of the 20 DT threads a day. Post it all here. Now I have a reason to ban people who annoy me with the threads!!!!

And here is my official thoughts on the band.

"Probably a good idea. You'll cut the amount of threads by at least 300. Sometimes I wonder if anybody has anything new to say about them, you know? Everybody thinks they're awesome, awesome, awesome. "Portnoy's so good! Petrucci's the best guitarist alive!" etc. etc. It'd be interesting to see which directions an official thread would go in."
I agree with you Stagefrightken, dream theater is where the science of music meets the power of a metal band. Portnoy is one of the best drummers in the world and he plays the most difficult drum notes I've seen. Dave Lombardo used to be the best drummer for me but now Portnoy has changed the world and the ideas of the drummers.
The only thing I disagree about you?

TAMA Drums Rule!!!!!!!!!!

[Quebec]

I just found out that the first drum set mike portnoy bought was a TAMA imperialstar... This one isn't cool as his actual drum set... Anyway, you can see a pic of the imperialstar on www.tama.com in the history section.

[The JoZ]

Bump for DT fans.

To any who think that Portnoy is "declining", I might have to agree. I only have three discs, Awake, 6DoIT, and Train of Thought...and the work on Train of Thought was simple compared to some of his other stuff, I thought. Alot of his ToT thought was based on *bass-snare-bassbass-snare* or such patterns. It was more speed and bass drum oriented than his other work. And yes, Danny Carey could own Portnoy any day of the week, I am certain of it :p

Anyone else Petrucci's ToT solos are pretty soulless at times? Particularly the In the Name of God solo? I can't stand it, it just lacks all emotion to me...compared to some of his earlier stuff, like the solo in Lie, or The Glass Prison.

[Scythe404]

Bump for DT fans.

To any who think that Portnoy is "declining", I might have to agree. I only have three discs, Awake, 6DoIT, and Train of Thought...and the work on Train of Thought was simple compared to some of his other stuff, I thought. Alot of his ToT thought was based on *bass-snare-bassbass-snare* or such patterns. It was more speed and bass drum oriented than his other work. And yes, Danny Carey could own Portnoy any day of the week, I am certain of it :p

Anyone else Petrucci's ToT solos are pretty soulless at times? Particularly the In the Name of God solo? I can't stand it, it just lacks all emotion to me...compared to some of his earlier stuff, like the solo in Lie, or The Glass Prison.

It's what they were going for, a super-heavy record. 6DoIT proves that they can have a heavy record with their signature style; they were trying something new.

What i like most about ToT is that Rudess and Myung are more active than ever. I love the Bass tapping on the intro to This Dying Soul, and the Keyboard parts in Stream of Consciousness and Endless Sacrifice. ToT isn't their best, but i'd still put it on par with their 6DoIT or Awake.

And it's not that Portnoy is declining, its just that he doesn't really go anywhere. His style hasn't evolved.

JoZ, if you don't have Scenes From A Memory, Images and Words, and A Change Of Seasons, go get them now. These three records represent all that is truly Dream Theater. Everything in between is progression in style or experimentation for them.

[The JoZ]

First off, what bass tapping in This Dying Soul?? I don't know of any such tapping :confused:

Secondly, I didn't say he was declining, I said some people thought he was :p

Thirdly, I have heard I&W, and I was really not impressed with it aside from a couple of songs. I think it's severely overrated, actually.

[Maynard]

Don't get me wrong i love dream theater!! But they'd be so much better with a different vocalist and better lyrics, their vocalist and lyrics are their downfall. I mean the drumming and guitar work is spectacular to say the least

[Boersch]

I dont mind the vocals, he actually sings. Im sorta new to Dream Theater and they seem alright so far but ive only heard a few of their songs.

[bball_1523]

I got Images and Words, Awake, and Scenes From A Memory.

At first I thought DT was alright and was just a technical band, but now I kinda like them a bit more since I've been getting their albums recently. I still think they go for technical mastery moreso then composition, but that's my opinion. They have some good songs that I really enjoy, such as Metropolis pt. 1, but for the most part their composition doesn't really do it much for me. Still a great band though.

[Scythe404]

First off, what bass tapping in This Dying Soul?? I don't know of any such tapping :confused:

Secondly, I didn't say he was declining, I said some people thought he was :p

Thirdly, I have heard I&W, and I was really not impressed with it aside from a couple of songs. I think it's severely overrated, actually.

:eek: Blasphemy!

Okay, its hard to tell. I only know that it is Bass tapping because of seeing the Live at Budokan DVD. The fluctuating noise that sounds like it could be a weird radio signal in the first 30 seconds or so, which is also followed by almost a humming noise (listen closely) is the bass being tapped with some kind of effects running. It's really quite amazing once you realize what it is.

[The JoZ]

So you specifically saw him do tapping? Because not one tab or the music I have show him doing any tapping anywhere, but rather mirroring Petrucci...

[Up The Irons]

can we cool it with the acronyms?

[demon_LLAMA]

Personally I love the solos on TOT, including ITNOG. But I guess its just all opinion. But there is no doubt Petrucci's chops are head-and-shoulders over all their other previous records by quite a big leap.

Fave track - Stream of Conciousness

[Scythe404]

So you specifically saw him do tapping? Because not one tab or the music I have show him doing any tapping anywhere, but rather mirroring Petrucci...

I saw him. It was orgasmic. Get Live at Budokan and see for yourself. If you're a DT fan at all its worth it, and you'll get to see how correct i am. :)

[Cain]

I believe Myung is doing tapping in "As I Am," with those absurdly distorted harmonics, not "This Dying Soul." I think he just mixed the songs up.

Myung may be more active, but Rudess doesn't do a **** thing compared to the stuff in Six Degrees. All I hear is his **** keyboard buzzing, his silly wah solos, and his weird symphonic stuff that doesn't really fit. Stream of Consciousness is the exception, but the song seems to be very repetitive, and most importantly, not any different from past Dream Theater work to really justify the ridiculous amounts of accolades it gets. Personally, I want to know why everybody thinks 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence is so subpar. I think the catchiness and harmonic sophistication of the title track is light years away from any of the Phrygian-Dominant crapola on ToT. And Rudess owns on that song, and does way more **** than he does on the entirity of Tot just in the overture to Six Degrees. The orchestra? All keyboards, baby.

And Petrucci's solos on ToT sound like ****ting needles. It's so crappy-sounding that I don't know what came over him. But have faith, the Joz. Go out and get "An Evening with Jordan Rudess and John Petrucci" if you're thinking that Petrucci has lost his stuff. Listen to "Truth," the second track. The playing is brilliant, and is miles better than any DT stuff I've heard recently.

[Scythe404]

Have you seen Live at Budokan? Unless you have, don't argue it with me. He doesn't tap on As I Am, but does do the harmonic intro.

[Cain]

Have you seen Live at Budokan? Unless you have, don't argue it with me. He doesn't tap on As I Am, but does do the harmonic intro.

Jeez, chill out. I wasn't calling you names or anything. I thought what he did on As I Am was tap harmonics, working off of my memory of the song's transcription in Guitar World a few months back. That's all. I'll concede that I may be wrong, but not if you pounce on me like that again. Alright?

[Cain]

Sorry for interuptting the advanced DT discussion in here, but I was wondering what you guys thought their best album was? I've been meaning to try and get into them for a while now, but haven't really for one reason or another. They're obviously so incredibly talented that I want to hear more of them. If someone could send me a song or 2 to get me started, that would be great. :thumb:

6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence remains my favorite release, followed by Images and Words.
Some songs:
"The Glass Prison" best DT metal song
"Metropolis Pt. I" legendary
"Blind Faith" awesome awesome
"Learning to Live" probably best composition: not much wankery, but tons of good music.
"6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence" Best conceptual work. Easier on the wankery than the "Scenes from a Memory" album and much more prominent on harmonic sophistication. Really good music in there.

[Stormrider33]

My favorite album is scenes from a memory as i love how they made the entire album tie into each of its songs. It never really seems to end. I think Petrucci reached hs peak on Awake. Train of Thought was my first album by them and although i like As I Am and Endless Sacrifice i was kind of disapointted with the album as a whole. I havent heard Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance(except for the Glass Prison ) and havent heard Images and Words (except Pull Me Under and Under A Glass Moon) which is my favorite song by them, the latter. They are an immensley talented band and , just my opinion Portnoy is the least talented of them. I like the drummer from Symphony X more and to me, Portnoys work gets a bit repetitve over time.

[ShadowMan]

Live at Budokan is phenomenal(sp?). Before I got that I had Awake, Scenes from a Memory, Petrucci and Ruddess, and Liquid Tension #2, but what got me on Budokan was the heaviness of As I Am, Dying Soul, and In the Name of God, **** I love that riff. But being the eternal Tool fan, what if Carrey and Keenan came in to replace DT's respective members?

[badtaste]

Does anyone find it weird when a DT fan is also a fan of Metallica? It's like a paradox (sorta), an intelligent DT fan listening to Metallica...?

And does anyone know if LaB is in Australia yet?

[biaxident]

Sorry for interuptting the advanced DT discussion in here, but I was wondering what you guys thought their best album was? I've been meaning to try and get into them for a while now, but haven't really for one reason or another. They're obviously so incredibly talented that I want to hear more of them. If someone could send me a song or 2 to get me started, that would be great. :thumb:

I think their best album is Awake but alot of people would disagree. The best first album to go for would probably be Images And Words.

Theres a couple of tracks for download at http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=378 I'd suggest trying Learning to Live first and Stream of Consciousness.

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

Sorry for interuptting the advanced DT discussion in here, but I was wondering what you guys thought their best album was? I've been meaning to try and get into them for a while now, but haven't really for one reason or another. They're obviously so incredibly talented that I want to hear more of them. If someone could send me a song or 2 to get me started, that would be great. :thumb:


Message me on AIM some time and I will suit you up with some songs if I am around at the time...

Don't get me wrong i love dream theater!! But they'd be so much better with a different vocalist and better lyrics, their vocalist and lyrics are their downfall. I mean the drumming and guitar work is spectacular to say the least

John Petrucci their guitarist write majority of the lyrics, and I think the lyrics are quite awesome.

[Quebec]

Does anyone find it weird when a DT fan is also a fan of Metallica? It's like a paradox (sorta), an intelligent DT fan listening to Metallica...?

And does anyone know if LaB is in Australia yet?

I'm a big DT fan but I'm also a fan of early Metallica. But you're right to say it's weird if a DT fan likes their new stuff.

[the2stranger]

really weird, normaly it was like 20 DT threads a day, and now we have an official DT thread, no one posts :confused:

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

really weird, normaly it was like 20 DT threads a day, and now we have an official DT thread, no one posts :confused:


Ya, this is what SFK was afraid of. :lol:

[Arucard]

can u give me the best DT album to start of on (im not a prog/technical noob so you dont have to start me on a mainstream friendly album.)

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

Scenes From A Memory


That is their best album I do believe, and is their best to start out on as well.
Make sure you listen to it as a whole all the way through since it all interwines.

[RNR]

Scenes From A Memory


That is their best album I do believe, and is their best to start out on as well.
Make sure you listen to it as a whole all the way through since it all interwines.

Agreed. It's complete genius. Nothing less than perfect :)

[Up The Irons]

yes, scenes or images and words is good to start out and then six degrees when your more into them

[Aberrationbass]

im a big fan of the dance of eternity
which album is it on i only have it on liquid drum theater

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

I am superior, i saw them live in April :cool:

[the2stranger]

^

jealous (sp?)

[Dancin' Man]

Glass Prison is by far the song I olike best. I really can;t stand LaBrie's voice. Portnoy is good but I'd rather hear Danny Carey or Thomas Haake. Petrucci is good but I prefer Laiho.

[RiceMonster]

I always found The Glass Prison a bit over-rated, I do enjoy it, but I could never see what the craze over it is.
And am I the only one who loves LaBrie's Voice?

[BurningSky]

I like Labrie's voice, too. I've defintely grown accustomed to it, and can't imagine any other vocalist to replace him...

DT are great. I have all of their albums (including the live ones), Scenes From New York, and I'll be getting Budokan for Christmas...

Most people think Petrucci is going down hill, but I disagree. He is a master at writing solos that fit a particular song. The reason that the solo is so wanky in As I Am, for example, is because the song is about letting loose and not listening to anybody, just doing whatever the hell you want. The solo fits perfect with that mood...

Anyway, ACOS is BY FAR their best song, and I agree with whoever said it before that Awake is their best album. Nothing can beat A Mind Beside Itself (Erotomania, Voices, The Silent Man). The lyrics and isntrumental sections in Voices in particular are eargasmic...

So, yeah. Dream Theater rocks, and I hear they are going into the studio pretty soon for a new album which, according to JR, "It'll be completely fresh and new..."

[RNR]

Labrie is a great singer. Atleast he actually sings. I've seen some people say that they don't like Labrie but they worship some guy who just screams.

it's a cray-zay world.

[BurningSky]

I'd say the only screaming singer who is above Labrie would be Mikael Ankerfeldt, but that's mostly because you can understand what he is saying still, it fits the music perfectly, and he can sing clean just as well...

[Quebec]

Imagine Dream theater without Labrie but with a screamer and a band like children of bodom with Labrie replacing Laiho for vocals. See the difference... Both are amazing and their singing fits perfectly their music. I think labrie is the only singer that DT could have and still be rockin... Yeah, it's Labrie or just crazy instrumental stuff!

[back to the front]

I got Images and Words last week. sweet album but i think not as much as SFAM. thats just a work of art

[RiceMonster]

Agreed, Images and Words is excellent, but I have to say Scenes From a Memory Is most defently their best.

[Kwash2]

Am I the only person who thinks that DT should just go instrumental?

[Quebec]

Am I the only person who thinks that DT should just go instrumental?
Listen to Liquid tension experiment. Its DT without Labrie and Myung and its only instrumental

[Kwash2]

Listen to Liquid tension experiment. Its DT without Labrie and Myung and its only instrumental
Got both of the CD's.

I noticed a distinct lack of Myung.

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

Listen to Liquid tension experiment. Its DT without Labrie and Myung and its only instrumental


One. Two. Three.

They also have more of a jazzy feel to their music in LTE as well...

And I love Labries voice, I don't think any one else could fit the spot for vocals in that band more then he could.

[led_zep_luvr]

**** Dream Theater

[led_zep_luvr]

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or am I?

[RiceMonster]

Leave this thread and stop spaming.

[Quebec]

Leave this thread and stop spaming.
:thumb:

[RiceMonster]

lets get some conversation going again. Whats everyone's favourite Petrucci solo? I'm going to have to go with Home, it blows me away everytime I hear it.

[Cain]

lets get some conversation going again. Whats everyone's favourite Petrucci solo? I'm going to have to go with Home, it blows me away everytime I hear it.

That's a really good one, but the Blind Faith one totally kicks my ***. And my favorite Petrucci solo of all time is the one off of "Truth" from "An Evening with Jordan Rudess and John Petrucci." After he filled ToT full of absolutely ****ty needling solos, this proved to me that he hadn't lost his stuff.

[RideTheSpiral]

Dream Theater are probably still my favourite band, but to be honest after nearly 3 years of holding that No.1 spot I've kinda lost interest. There's just so much more stuff that I listen to now. Still, even though they aren't as regular on my playlist now, some songs still remain some of my favourites, in particular A Change Of Seasons, which is probably my favourite song ever.

I just realised I haven't bothered to listen to Scenes From A Memory in about 5 months, even though at one point it was my favourite album.


I was about to say that IDENTICAL thing. Omg.




Anywho DT mean more to me than any other band because they changed my life. They got me into good music and inspired me to play guitar.

:chug: rock on.

[demon_LLAMA]

After he filled ToT full of absolutely ****ty needling solos, this proved to me that he hadn't lost his stuff.

Shut up about how the TOT solos didn't suite your taste. We heard you the first time.

Stream of Counciousness is probably my favourite, then Home, Fatal Tradgedy, Endless Sacrifice, Jaws of life/IBS(From John's upcoming solo cd) and In the Name of God (Including the unison).

[^Dream~Theater^]

does anyone else that has seen this notice the lack of petrucci on there? I mean it shows him here and there but 75% of the time, the cameras are never on him during the solo's, but it shows the other people that are barely playing anything. opinions anyone? I got Once In A Livetime/Images And Words(Live In Tokyo) in the same dvd and i must say the images dvd is most definately worth checking out. Has some of the most craziest petrucci soloing i have ever seen or heard.

[The JoZ]

What do you all think of Portnoy and Petrucci doing vocals every now and then? Specifically, on "The Glass Prison"? Some people have told me Portnoy's singing was 'laughable' but I actually quite enjoy it. And until I got a live video of them playing TGP, I had no idea he was doing the singing in the beginning, I always thought they had just done something in the studio with LaBrie's voice...

[bball_1523]

I don't know why, but whenever I hear any petrucci solo, it's always alternate picking. Does he have any other variety? I've bearly heard him sweep, bearly hear him playing mind-boggling arps, bearly hear him doing tapping stuff...

Hey I think he's one of the fastest alternate pickers out there, but I find his solos a bit boring honestly. Shed some light on me DT fans, I wanna hear some more petrucci solos that have more variety then what I've heard in "images and words, awake, and SFAM."

[^Dream~Theater^]

I don't know why, but whenever I hear any petrucci solo, it's always alternate picking. Does he have any other variety? I've bearly heard him sweep, bearly hear him playing mind-boggling arps, bearly hear him doing tapping stuff...

Hey I think he's one of the fastest alternate pickers out there, but I find his solos a bit boring honestly. Shed some light on me DT fans, I wanna hear some more petrucci solos that have more variety then what I've heard in "images and words, awake, and SFAM."

Beyond this life - Sweeping in the solo

[Cain]

Shut up about how the TOT solos didn't suite your taste. We heard you the first time.


Once again, all you crazy defensive fans out there... take a chill pill. If you're so brittle that you'll snap at the slightest criticism, I'm afraid you can shut up and go soak your head in a bucket of ice water. Either that or you can feel free to debate with me about ToT and maybe try and modify my opinion a little bit, or maybe explain to me why it is you think that the solos on ToT are heads and shoulders above everything he's ever done. Short of that, I would appreciate it if you gave me a break. I am a huge DT fan. I have Dream Theater's entire discography save "When Dreams and Day Unite," and ToT is the first album I've disliked. In that post, I was referencing my dislike of that album not because I wanted to piss people off, but as a way to explain why the solo I cited ("Truth" from "An Evening With..."etc.) had such a huge impact on me. It calmed my ToT-caused fear that DT had lost the capability to make that sort of ethereal music that I love. I may have chosen my words a bit carelessly and harshly. I apologize. But, in all honesty, there is absolutely no call for you to be so hotheaded. If you want me to shut up, don't tell me to shut up. Instead, make me. :thumb:

[Cain]

I don't know why, but whenever I hear any petrucci solo, it's always alternate picking. Does he have any other variety? I've bearly heard him sweep, bearly hear him playing mind-boggling arps, bearly hear him doing tapping stuff...

Hey I think he's one of the fastest alternate pickers out there, but I find his solos a bit boring honestly. Shed some light on me DT fans, I wanna hear some more petrucci solos that have more variety then what I've heard in "images and words, awake, and SFAM."

You want some cool tapping, check out the "Blind Faith" solo from Six Degrees. A good example of his arpeggio stuff is on "Under a Glass Moon" off "Images." And pick up that "An Evening With..." etc. album I cited earlier. It's sheer genius. Just absolute genius. You'll hear all the amazing Petrucci you'll ever need.

[Push the Envelope]

Have many of you heard Ayreon's album The Human Equation it features James on vocals along with a range of other vocalists such as Mikael from Opeth, Devvy, etcetc. I ****ing love the CD.

[Cain]

Have many of you heard Ayreon's album The Human Equation it features James on vocals along with a range of other vocalists such as Mikael from Opeth, Devvy, etcetc. I ****ing love the CD.

I've heard it. It's pretty good, wildly overproduced...but I like that in my music. :thumb: Personally as far as vocalists go, I will take Mikael over James any day. But what I heard I mostly liked. All Music Guide really hyped them up, though, so to be honest I was expecting a bit more brilliance. On the other hand, it's possible I just wasn't hearing the right stuff. Suggestions?

[Quebec]

lets get some conversation going again. Whats everyone's favourite Petrucci solo? I'm going to have to go with Home, it blows me away everytime I hear it.
The solo in "lie"! It blows my mind all the time!!

[RiceMonster]

^^^ that solo is excellent, one of my favourites.

[Sugar Chestnut]

I only heard of them very recently from someone from this site. I bought their ?latest?, Train of Thought... I love it... very long songs but they somehow hold my attention cuz theyre amazing. But im wondering if buying their latest album was horribly wrong of me and if their others are tons more amazing than train of though. What else is good?

[RNR]

My friend let me borrow Scenes From New York the DVD. It's almost flawless :)

[The Depressed]

Does he have any other variety? I've bearly heard him sweep, bearly hear him playing mind-boggling arps, bearly hear him doing tapping stuff...

Legato technique - the start of the Lie solo and the unison on In The Name Of God
Tapping - This Dying Soul's first solo and, again, the Lie solo
Sweeps - errr, Endless Sacrifice, In The Name Of God, Under A Glass Moon

[RiceMonster]

I only heard of them very recently from someone from this site. I bought their ?latest?, Train of Thought... I love it... very long songs but they somehow hold my attention cuz theyre amazing. But im wondering if buying their latest album was horribly wrong of me and if their others are tons more amazing than train of though. What else is good?
That was not at all a mistake, all Dream Theater albums are amazing. I would sujest buying Scenes From a Memory. It is simply amazing.

[The Depressed]

Does he have any other variety? I've bearly heard him sweep, bearly hear him playing mind-boggling arps, bearly hear him doing tapping stuff...

Legato technique - the start of the Lie solo and the unison on In The Name Of God
Tapping - This Dying Soul's first solo and, again, the Lie solo
Sweeps & arpeggios - Endless Sacrifice, In The Name Of God, Under A Glass Moon, Beyond This Life, The Glass Prison (those arpeggios :amaze: )

In fact, his best 'show off' solo is Under A Glass Moon, where he used practically every single guitar technique known to man.

[Quebec]

I only heard of them very recently from someone from this site. I bought their ?latest?, Train of Thought... I love it... very long songs but they somehow hold my attention cuz theyre amazing. But im wondering if buying their latest album was horribly wrong of me and if their others are tons more amazing than train of though. What else is good?
This was a good move but this album is heavier than their previous releases. Go get Scenes from a memory or Six degrees of inner turbulence

[iamnicktheguitarist]

I challenge anyone who rips on petrucci to watch his rock discipline dvd then say bad stuff. He seems so much better than he shows in dream theater. if he went all out on everything i think that everyone that hears it would instantly pinch loaf

[iamnicktheguitarist]

i have 6 dream theater albums and they are my favorite band. im also a metallica fan. metallica is only a pimple on DT's butt though. i have "when dream and day unite" "images and words" "awake" "falling into infinity" "scenes from a memory" "6 degrees of inner turbulence" and "train of thought". lyrically i think scenes from a memory was best but my favorite all around is either when dream and day unite or awake. i suggest getting all their stuff cuz there amazing

[Scythe404]

Jeez, chill out. I wasn't calling you names or anything. I thought what he did on As I Am was tap harmonics, working off of my memory of the song's transcription in Guitar World a few months back. That's all. I'll concede that I may be wrong, but not if you pounce on me like that again. Alright?

I never pounced on you. Maybe i should've used a random smiley to indicate that. I meant it with no Malice. :)

Now, as for the guy who asked which DT album is best to start on: I say Images And Words. It's how they started and out and defined themselves. Scenes From A Memory was a new beginning for them, a big leap in their style. It'd be best to listen to what gave them their base first. But, i wouldn't dare say IAW is better. ;)

Oh, and to whoever asked: I love LaBrie's voice. With so much crap out there, its nice to hear a metal band with a singer who SINGS instead of grunts and yells like a pubescent moron. Probably the most moving piece vocally of DT's would have to be Space Dye Vest. I can't count how many times that song almost made me cry...and then i sat down and READ the lyrics.... That song is nothing short of a triumph.

[Cant Touch This]

Quebec i'm just wondering, which solo are you talking about in "Lie"? If im not mistaken there's two solos in there.

Oh and my favorite CD I have by them would be Awake.

[Scythe404]

Here's something we rarely hear about:

When Dream And Day Unite. I've not heard much publicly about this album. I've listened to it, and it's pretty good. Opinions anyone?

[Cant Touch This]

I actually don't think i've heard any songs from it. Could you name a few?

[bball_1523]

I challenge anyone who rips on petrucci to watch his rock discipline dvd then say bad stuff. He seems so much better than he shows in dream theater. if he went all out on everything i think that everyone that hears it would instantly pinch loaf


I have it, it hasn't blown me away other than his fast alternate picking.

[bball_1523]

Legato technique - the start of the Lie solo and the unison on In The Name Of God
Tapping - This Dying Soul's first solo and, again, the Lie solo
Sweeps & arpeggios - Endless Sacrifice, In The Name Of God, Under A Glass Moon, Beyond This Life, The Glass Prison (those arpeggios :amaze: )

In fact, his best 'show off' solo is Under A Glass Moon, where he used practically every single guitar technique known to man.

his tapping is alright, but his legato is pretty good. I still hear more quick sweeps like an up sweep or down sweep, rather than a full on arpeggio sweep like micheal angelo or jason becker might do. He's still a great guitarist and has alternate picking down like its nothing, but he doesn't excite me with his solos other than the superspeed alt. picking, which makes me wanna be like him in that category lo.

[RiceMonster]

Here's something we rarely hear about:

When Dream And Day Unite. I've not heard much publicly about this album. I've listened to it, and it's pretty good. Opinions anyone?
Were did you find that? I can't find it anywhere! The only song I've heard was The Ytse Jam, and that is a **** god song.

[^Dream~Theater^]

Were did you find that? I can't find it anywhere! The only song I've heard was The Ytse Jam, and that is a **** god song.
its their first cd..not that hard to find if you look hard enough.

[Scythe404]

Were did you find that? I can't find it anywhere! The only song I've heard was The Ytse Jam, and that is a **** god song.

Well you'll have bad luck finding it at an HMV or some other crappy store, but go to a dedicated, smaller record store and you can find anything.

[Quebec]

Quebec i'm just wondering, which solo are you talking about in "Lie"? If im not mistaken there's two solos in there.

Oh and my favorite CD I have by them would be Awake.
There's a break in lie. the solo right after the break.

[Quebec]

Here's something we rarely hear about:

When Dream And Day Unite. I've not heard much publicly about this album. I've listened to it, and it's pretty good. Opinions anyone?
The ytse jam is one of their best instrumental if you ask me.

[MAthiAS]

Well you'll have bad luck finding it at an HMV or some other crappy store, but go to a dedicated, smaller record store and you can find anything.

There's no small record stores around my area unfortunately. So I guess I have to resort to Amazon for my non-mainstream albums.

[biaxident]

Here's something we rarely hear about:

When Dream And Day Unite. I've not heard much publicly about this album. I've listened to it, and it's pretty good. Opinions anyone?

Yea I love The Killing Hand and Ytse Jam but overall it's a pretty weak album. For those people who think JLB sings to high, wait till you hear Charlie!

[MNbassist78]

Yeah, I got When dream and Day Unite off Amazon, I love it

[RNR]

Is A Change Of Seasons good? I'm thinking of getting it next.

[Cain]

Is A Change Of Seasons good? I'm thinking of getting it next.

The reason to get A Change of Seasons, IMO, is really for the song. Some people might find those medleys that make up the rest of the album awesome, but I don't. They're good songs but I don't like hearing Dream Theater do them.

[Reidie86]

I don't know why, but whenever I hear any petrucci solo, it's always alternate picking. Does he have any other variety? I've bearly heard him sweep, bearly hear him playing mind-boggling arps, bearly hear him doing tapping stuff...

Hey I think he's one of the fastest alternate pickers out there, but I find his solos a bit boring honestly. Shed some light on me DT fans, I wanna hear some more petrucci solos that have more variety then what I've heard in "images and words, awake, and SFAM."

the solo in "under a glass moon" is awsome. petrucci shows that he has mastered every trick in the book :thumb:

And also, whats boring about fast alternate picking??? i personally think it makes for a great solo, eg "as i am"'s solo is pretty much nothing but alternate picking the whole way through, but thats an awsome solo - fits the song perfectly ( i especially love when the rhytm section go back into the main, quicker riff - petrucci goes nuts :chug: )

[Candiria92]

I don't know how many times I've said this to people, but the solo from the live version of Beyond This Life off of the Budokahn(sp?) cd/dvd is the most amazing guitar playing I have ever heard. He puts everthing he knows into that solo, including playing as fast as humanly possible and what looks to be on the dvd sweep tapping. I still can't belive that solo, I have been in awe since the time i heard it, its crazy.

[demon_LLAMA]

Once again, all you crazy defensive fans out there... take a chill pill. If you're so brittle that you'll snap at the slightest criticism, I'm afraid you can shut up and go soak your head in a bucket of ice water. Either that or you can feel free to debate with me about ToT and maybe try and modify my opinion a little bit, or maybe explain to me why it is you think that the solos on ToT are heads and shoulders above everything he's ever done. Short of that, I would appreciate it if you gave me a break. I am a huge DT fan. I have Dream Theater's entire discography save "When Dreams and Day Unite," and ToT is the first album I've disliked. In that post, I was referencing my dislike of that album not because I wanted to piss people off, but as a way to explain why the solo I cited ("Truth" from "An Evening With..."etc.) had such a huge impact on me. It calmed my ToT-caused fear that DT had lost the capability to make that sort of ethereal music that I love. I may have chosen my words a bit carelessly and harshly. I apologize. But, in all honesty, there is absolutely no call for you to be so hotheaded. If you want me to shut up, don't tell me to shut up. Instead, make me. :thumb:

Dude.... calm down, i didn't mean to offend you, it just get's a little annoying when people repeat the same opinions over and over again.

let's talk about something else, Who'se got the coolest hair in the band?

[iceman3019]

first cd: images and words
second: scenes froma memory
third: six degrees of inner turbulance
fourth: fallign into infinity
fifth: awake
sixth: train of thought

and i can proudly say that every single cd was worth every single penny and all six that i have at the moment blow me away everytime i plop them into my cd player . . .

[Diatonic Dissonance™]

As I Am is my favourite song.

[Det_Nosnip]

Mine is a love-hate relationship with Dream Theater. I definetly recognize that they've had a substantial impact on the course of music, but I don't know if it's really for the better. Sometimes, they really hit it well (Pull Me Under, Dissapear, Glass Prison, parts of Erotomania), whereas at other points, they just drive me nuts. I think it's mostly Portnoy that does it....the man really has no concept of groove or feel, it's incredibly flat and uninspiring. Although some of his patterns are interesting, nothing about how he plays them really strikes me. I feel like the whole band is capable of alot, they just....don't apply themselves very well all of the time.

In the "what makes a good band thread," I mentioned that group interactions is what really gets me going, but I don't feel this from DT. Often, the musicians are too focused within themselves, they don't breach the gap especially well. Every so often something interesting will come along, but so often it's just "here's a cool guitar part!" "here's a cool drum beat and some fills" "here's an invisible bassline" "here's a bunch of awesome keyboard stuff" "every 5 minutes I'll sing something!", and they put everything together expecting it to work, but it just...doesn't.

[Cain]

Mine is a love-hate relationship with Dream Theater. I definetly recognize that they've had a substantial impact on the course of music, but I don't know if it's really for the better. Sometimes, they really hit it well (Pull Me Under, Dissapear, Glass Prison, parts of Erotomania), whereas at other points, they just drive me nuts. I think it's mostly Portnoy that does it....the man really has no concept of groove or feel, it's incredibly flat and uninspiring. Although some of his patterns are interesting, nothing about how he plays them really strikes me. I feel like the whole band is capable of alot, they just....don't apply themselves very well all of the time.

In the "what makes a good band thread," I mentioned that group interactions is what really gets me going, but I don't feel this from DT. Often, the musicians are too focused within themselves, they don't breach the gap especially well. Every so often something interesting will come along, but so often it's just "here's a cool guitar part!" "here's a cool drum beat and some fills" "here's an invisible bassline" "here's a bunch of awesome keyboard stuff" "every 5 minutes I'll sing something!", and they put everything together expecting it to work, but it just...doesn't.

I can definitely see that. If anybody has any rapport, though, it's Petrucci and Rudess, who smile at the other's solos. But the rest of the band is totally dead. And Portnoy is very egotistical and not that good at all, in terms of interesting beats. Technically he's very capable, but Tool pwns DT any day of the week for organic songs.

[RideTheSpiral]

As I Am is my favourite song.


LOL :-*





The Glass Prison is the worst thing DT has ever done. /random

[Facsimile]

No... It's... Not.

It's the best **** song ever!
What's wrong with you?!!!

[RideTheSpiral]

Worst. Song. Ever.

[Facsimile]

What don't you like about it?

[Brogan]

The only cd i was disapointed in was the bonus "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence", it's just too hard to listen to, the lyrics are terrible and it's probably Jame's worst singing, the music wasn't even all that good. The acual cd with "The Glass Prison an The Great Debate" is absolutly brilliant though!
Train of Thought is a great album in my opinion, it's their heaviest album they have, the only thing rather disapointing was the keyboard/bass work, you can't heard Jordan that much other than in Endless Sacrifice and Stream of Consciousness, Myung and Patricu mostly do the same thing most the time, i much like the music in Metrolpolis Pt2, EVERY instrument is BREATH TAKING! Espicially "The Dance of Eternaty!"
Amazing band, worst albums = Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence "Disc 2" and Images and Words.

[Det_Nosnip]

I can definitely see that. If anybody has any rapport, though, it's Petrucci and Rudess, who smile at the other's solos. But the rest of the band is totally dead. And Portnoy is very egotistical and not that good at all, in terms of interesting beats. Technically he's very capable, but Tool pwns DT any day of the week for organic songs.

Agreed. Rudess and Petrucci have always been the ones that impressed me the most.

[albinoblacksheep]

I have all their albums exepct Awake and SDoIT.
I am a big fan of their music, and have to say that Scenes from a memory is my favorite album. I can listen to it endless times and it doesnt get boring. The Band portraits their technical skill but also their creativity in that CD just too well. I enjoy listening to every single Bandmember, i appreciate each one of them, although I find myself listening to Rudess´s insane skills quite often :D

Great band

[black_sabbath634]

Is A Change Of Seasons good? I'm thinking of getting it next.
its a good song and a bunch of ****ty covers

[RiceMonster]

Well you'll have bad luck finding it at an HMV or some other crappy store, but go to a dedicated, smaller record store and you can find anything.
The problem is the only record stores near me are ****y stores like HMV and CD plus.

[Scythe404]

its a good song and a bunch of ****ty covers

Well, the covers are not ****ty. They're not as good as a legendary original like ACoS, i'll give you that, however they simply apply more to a classic rock camp. A couple of the covers like "Perfect Strangers" are actually quite good.

The only cd i was disapointed in was the bonus "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence", it's just too hard to listen to, the lyrics are terrible and it's probably Jame's worst singing, the music wasn't even all that good. The acual cd with "The Glass Prison an The Great Debate" is absolutly brilliant though!
Train of Thought is a great album in my opinion, it's their heaviest album they have, the only thing rather disapointing was the keyboard/bass work, you can't heard Jordan that much other than in Endless Sacrifice and Stream of Consciousness, Myung and Patricu mostly do the same thing most the time, i much like the music in Metrolpolis Pt2, EVERY instrument is BREATH TAKING! Espicially "The Dance of Eternaty!"
Amazing band, worst albums = Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence "Disc 2" and Images and Words.

See my post about Myung a page or two back and his tapping spree on This Dying Soul. Myung may still mirror him a fair deal, but because of the heavy quality of the record he comes through the mix a lot more. You have to give it that. And though Rudess isn't quite as active as he is in 6DoIT, he plays an excellent role in the band in ToT.

PS: Images and Words is the only album of theirs not quite as good as SFAM. Some people who dislike more Classical sounding stuff dislike it i find. If you want their absolute worst go with Falling into Infinity. Every other record of theirs is good to Absolutely great.

[newWorld]

Train of Thought is a great album in my opinion, it's their heaviest album they have, the only thing rather disapointing was the keyboard/bass work, you can't heard Jordan that much other than in Endless Sacrifice and Stream of Consciousness,


I would argue that Rudess saves that album; without him it would be pure crap. I must congradulate Myung tho, awesome.

[chorbalan]

I was thinking of buying one of the DVDs but I can't decide which one which one would you guys consider the best?

[Quebec]

I was thinking of buying one of the DVDs but I can't decide which one which one would you guys consider the best?
If you like older DT (awake, Images and words....) Get "once in a LIVEtime". If you like later DT (SFAM, Falling into infinity) but you don't like 6DOIT or train of thought, get "live metropolis". If you like everything they do and you have enjoyed Train of thought, get "live at budokan". In my opinion, "live at budokan" is the best choice, but it's up to you.

[chorbalan]

OK thanks bro :)

[Scythe404]

If you like older DT (awake, Images and words....) Get "once in a LIVEtime". If you like later DT (SFAM, Falling into infinity) but you don't like 6DOIT or train of thought, get "live metropolis". If you like everything they do and you have enjoyed Train of thought, get "live at budokan". In my opinion, "live at budokan" is the best choice, but it's up to you.

Definitely. Budokan is their best done DVD to date. If they could've mixed it in with some older material it would be the ultimate concert.

[RiceMonster]

I saw One In a Live Time at my freinds house and it was amazing.

[bball_1523]

how is falling into infinity?

[Magnum1978]

Its funny whenever someone says Portnoy is a great drummer, some tool fanboy will say "Carey's Better!" I just find it interesting the amount of people who have to pipe up and wave danny carey flags every time MP is mentioned.

In defense of Portnoy, I think he's a fantasic drummer, equal, if not better than Carey at some things, (and worse too), but certainly not *owned* as some people say. I mean if you are going to pick a drummer to own Portnoy, pick someone who REALLY owns him - Gadd, Weckl or Donati for instance. Carey is debateble.

Anyway, I didn't want to make this a Carey vs Portnoy thread, just wanted my humble 2c ;)

As for DT - Awesome band - my fav songs:

Overture 1928
Finally Free
Learning to Live
New Millenium
Blind Faith
Lines in the Sand
Metropolis Pt 1
The Great Debate
Stream of Consiousness

Take it easy!

Mag

[Cain]

Its funny whenever someone says Portnoy is a great drummer, some tool fanboy will say "Carey's Better!" I just find it interesting the amount of people who have to pipe up and wave danny carey flags every time MP is mentioned.

In defense of Portnoy, I think he's a fantasic drummer, equal, if not better than Carey at some things, (and worse too), but certainly not *owned* as some people say. I mean if you are going to pick a drummer to own Portnoy, pick someone who REALLY owns him - Gadd, Weckl or Donati for instance. Carey is debateble.


Hmm, Donati doesn't really own Portnoy. I saw him on the Steve Vai tour and his drum solo was nothing too special. And I'm not neccesarily a Tool fanboy, it's just that Carey uses occultist geometric equations to make his drumbeats, and ends up with these unbelievably complex, mystifying webs of percussive brilliance. Portnoy is just like Niel Peart, except more boringly precise and without the sense of humor or the tact to pull back on the beat. Besides, his bass drums sound like pillows being squashed.

Also, to your point, Portnoy is a Tool fanboy himself and particularly on 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence ripped off Carey's drumming style in a lot of places, most notably on "The Great Debate." The only difference was that Portnoy was not as good as Carey. Just some food for thought. I like DT more, but Tool is just so organic and I prefer them sometimes, is all. Especially with regard to drumming.

[Cain]

Ok, so new discussion, actually. I like this whole Tool/DT comparison thing. The use of time signature changes is constant in both bands' music, and I'd like to ask: which band does it more smoothly and subtly? My vote would probably go to Tool, but let's hear your opinions. And please, for the love of God, take Magnum's advice on this one and do NOT turn this into Carey/Portnoy shipperland, ok? I'd like to see some backup to your opinions on this.

[Facsimile]

Well back when I used to listen to Tool I never even noticed the strange time signatures, but then I wasn't a musician back then. But I love how with Dream Theater riffs just suddenly stop and go onto another or repeat.
So in summary, at changing time signatures, I would say Tool is smoother, but Dream Theater is more fun and keeps you on your toes.

[RideTheSpiral]

And I'm not neccesarily a Tool fanboy, it's just that Carey uses occultist geometric equations to make his drumbeats, and ends up with these unbelievably complex, mystifying webs of percussive brilliance.





Hah yeah Occultist drum beats. :rolleyes:


Total fanboy thing to say.

[Cain]

Hah yeah Occultist drum beats. :rolleyes:


Total fanboy thing to say.

Hmm, oh well. Obviously the fact that he DOES do that means nothing to you. I guess I AM a Tool fanboy! I only own two of their albums! I nothing about what those equations actually are, simply that he uses them! I know that...gasp...he studies tablas also! What a little-known piece of Tool trivia.
:rolleyes:

I'm simply explaining why I consider Carey to be a better drummer: because he uses these unusual techniques to form his drumming patterns, he ends up sounding very enigmatic and awesome, whereas Portnoy, while obviously very technically capable, is very very boringly precise and similar. Each drumbeat may technically be different, but they still are the same TYPE of drumbeat. Maybe my words sounded like I was a Tool fanboy, but really, I hardly ever listen to them compared to Dream Theater.

[Cain]

Well back when I used to listen to Tool I never even noticed the strange time signatures, but then I wasn't a musician back then. But I love how with Dream Theater riffs just suddenly stop and go onto another or repeat.
So in summary, at changing time signatures, I would say Tool is smoother, but Dream Theater is more fun and keeps you on your toes.

Very true. That's my opinion as well.

[Quebec]

Well back when I used to listen to Tool I never even noticed the strange time signatures, but then I wasn't a musician back then. But I love how with Dream Theater riffs just suddenly stop and go onto another or repeat.
So in summary, at changing time signatures, I would say Tool is smoother, but Dream Theater is more fun and keeps you on your toes.
Exactly what i thought!

[RNR]

I thought that Train Of Thought was rather boring. They should stick to softer stuff. Like on Awake. The kind of odd prog rocky type stuff.

[moncholo]

Nice quote, SFK. hahahaha thanks!

Anyway, let's get this ball rolling. My first DT album was 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence, and I was awestruck by the utter superiority of the songwriting and technical abilities of the band. I'm a bit curious, though, because 6 Degrees remains my favorite album despite owning nearly every album they've got(except for...what was it...Dreams and...something.... ;) ). But most people on mx seem to dislike it quite a bit. Why so? Feel free to include your own personal favorite, with reasons.

(I don't know...is this how the official threads start? Oh well)

you´ll se, most dt fans like dt from the "before 6doit age" ....
you may realize that 6DOIT is very different from the previous albums, so its pretty reasonable to dislike dissapear if you´re more into overture 1928

am i explaining myself?

[Magnum1978]

Hmm, Donati doesn't really own Portnoy. I saw him on the Steve Vai tour and his drum solo was nothing too special. And I'm not neccesarily a Tool fanboy, it's just that Carey uses occultist geometric equations to make his drumbeats, and ends up with these unbelievably complex, mystifying webs of percussive brilliance. Portnoy is just like Niel Peart, except more boringly precise and without the sense of humor or the tact to pull back on the beat. Besides, his bass drums sound like pillows being squashed.


Its all good, everyone's entitled to their opinions - mine are just different :D... And I consider Donati in probably the top 5 drummers in the world at the moment. The guy's a total freak.


Also, to your point, Portnoy is a Tool fanboy himself and particularly on 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence ripped off Carey's drumming style in a lot of places, most notably on "The Great Debate." The only difference was that Portnoy was not as good as Carey. Just some food for thought. I like DT more, but Tool is just so organic and I prefer them sometimes, is all. Especially with regard to drumming.

Each to their own. I thought the drumming in 'the great debate' was as good as anything on Laterlus or Aniema - but again its just opinion. And I dont want to make this into another 'Great Debate' so I'll leave it at that!

Oh yeah and I'm a 'Pre 6DOIT' DT fan :D

Take it easy!

Mag

[Quebec]

I think there are 3 different type of DT fans:
1) Fans who only likes the DT from before 6doit
2) Fans who got in the band with 6doit and ToT
3) Fans who loves everything DT did

[cool_guy4000]

I think there are 3 different type of DT fans:
1) Fans who only likes the DT from before 6doit
2) Fans who got in the band with 6doit and ToT
3) Fans who loves everything DT did

*is #3*

I pretty much love everything DT, and Petrucci's solos on ToT are technically amazing.

[^Dream~Theater^]

Well, the covers are not ****ty. They're not as good as a legendary original like ACoS, i'll give you that, however they simply apply more to a classic rock camp. A couple of the covers like "Perfect Strangers" are actually quite good.



See my post about Myung a page or two back and his tapping spree on This Dying Soul. Myung may still mirror him a fair deal, but because of the heavy quality of the record he comes through the mix a lot more. You have to give it that. And though Rudess isn't quite as active as he is in 6DoIT, he plays an excellent role in the band in ToT.

PS: Images and Words is the only album of theirs not quite as good as SFAM. Some people who dislike more Classical sounding stuff dislike it i find. If you want their absolute worst go with Falling into Infinity. Every other record of theirs is good to Absolutely great.
Rudess is pretty active on SDOIT , listen to overture and up, the guy is a madman.

[Cain]

I think there are 3 different type of DT fans:
1) Fans who only likes the DT from before 6doit
2) Fans who got in the band with 6doit and ToT
3) Fans who loves everything DT did
4.)Fans who love everything DT did except for ToT(really just one, named Ripper22, the jackass)

Fixed. :)

[RNR]

Fixed. :)

Hehe, *agrees*

[Cain]

Hehe, *agrees*

Hey man, can't be lambasted for having an opinion. That's the way I see it.

[Wo@lcan]

Quick question: How long is the song "pull me under"?

[DoktorShred]

8:11

Yes it is supposed to end abruptly like that :P

[Wo@lcan]

8:11

Yes it is supposed to end abruptly like that :P
is it? I was a little bit confused with the ending...

[Cain]

8:11

Yes it is supposed to end abruptly like that :P

Yes it is.

[Scythe404]

Hmm, Donati doesn't really own Portnoy. I saw him on the Steve Vai tour and his drum solo was nothing too special. And I'm not neccesarily a Tool fanboy, it's just that Carey uses occultist geometric equations to make his drumbeats, and ends up with these unbelievably complex, mystifying webs of percussive brilliance. Portnoy is just like Niel Peart, except more boringly precise and without the sense of humor or the tact to pull back on the beat. Besides, his bass drums sound like pillows being squashed.

Are you kidding? It's a gimmick to get people talking. I shouldn't even call it a gimmick, just Carey having some fun with us. He does not arrange his patterns by the phases of the four moons, but i can say it'd be fun to make people think so if i were him.

[static]

was the song "home" released on any cd other than a live one?

[MNbassist78]

was the song "home" released on any cd other than a live one?

Its on "Scenes From A Memory"

[demon_LLAMA]

Heh, am I the only one here who got into dream theater through Rock Discipline?

(says me eagerly anticipating a RD2)

[Facsimile]

is it? I've was a little bit confused with the ending...
Yeah, that has to be the most commonly asked question related to Dream Theater.
When I first got it I downloaded it, and I just thought "Oh, another retard on Kazaa has screwed it up"

[Reidie86]

scenes from a memory is probly my fav album, followed by images and words, but no matter how many times i try to understand the story line, it's never quite clear. Did "the miricle" kill both victoria and "the sleeper", then plant a fake suicide letter on them? my question really is "explain to story on SFAM?"

[DoktorShred]

is it? I've was a little bit confused with the ending...

Yeah it signifies how life can abruptly end.

[Triangle]

My first albums were Images and Words and Awake. Awake still remains to be my fav, though IAW does have Learning to Live on it... I really need 6DOIT. May get it for Christmas and the Budokan Dvd..

[MNbassist78]

scenes from a memory is probly my fav album, followed by images and words, but no matter how many times i try to understand the story line, it's never quite clear. Did "the miricle" kill both victoria and "the sleeper", then plant a fake suicide letter on them? my question really is "explain to story on SFAM?"

SFAM Analyses from DTFAQ.com (http://www.dtfaq.com/category/?categoryid=12#1032)

[Quebec]

SFAM Analyses from DTFAQ.com (http://www.dtfaq.com/category/?categoryid=12#1032)
www.dtfaq.com GREAT SITE! :thumb:

[Quebec]

lets get some conversation going again. Which MP's drum kit do you prefer between the awake kit, the purple monster and the siamese monster? I love the awake kit.
1)the colors are cool 2)its big without being huge.

[MNbassist78]

I think the Siamese Monster is awsome, so **** big

[static]

what song is this? what album is it on?


http://drummerworld.com/Videos/mikeportnoymd.html

[Tails]

what song is this? what album is it on?


http://drummerworld.com/Videos/mikeportnoymd.html

Hell's Kitchen, it's one of the reasons to buy Falling into Infinity.

[RNR]

www.dtfaq.com GREAT SITE! :thumb:

:), that is a great site.

[Wo@lcan]

Yeah, that has to be the most commonly asked question related to Dream Theater.
When I first got it I downloaded it, and I just thought "Oh, another retard on Kazaa has screwed it up"
Would it suprise you that i thought exatly the same :)

[myungmadman]

Was listening to songs from the live at Budokan cd, some of the most boring **** ive ever heard IMO, they arent called Dream Theater for nothing, its enough to put you to sleep


Dude, you're a ****ing fagot. You have no sense of music at all. First of all there is not one thing boring about Dream Theater. Second of all, your name...maynard sucks..?? What the **** are you thinking??? He is one of the best singers out there. When you read this review, get a gun and shoot yourself, because someone with your music sense should die

[sensitiveorgan00]

Any of you guys heard LaBrie do teh Canadian rap? :lol: He's seriously awesome at rapping. I have it on my computer, if you any of guys are interested.

[-Listy-]

Dude, you're a ****ing fagot. You have no sense of music at all. First of all there is not one thing boring about Dream Theater. Second of all, your name...maynard sucks..?? What the **** are you thinking??? He is one of the best singers out there. When you read this review, get a gun and shoot yourself, because someone with your music sense should die

Fanboy alert! *runs*

[big]

Fanboy alert! *runs*


:lol:

[Reidie86]

SFAM Analyses from DTFAQ.com (http://www.dtfaq.com/category/?categoryid=12#1032)

thanks :chug:
i had always wondered what the hell happened right at the end.......

if thats the story, how the hell does metropolis part 1 fit into the whole scheme of things? (apart from the musical ideas that were passed on)

[Quebec]

Here’s my interpretation of metropolis part I. I think this song is a summary of SFAM.
Key:Lyrics
Notes

The smile of dawn
Arrived early May
She carried a gift from her
home
The night shed a tear
To tell her of fear
And of sorrow and pain
She'll never outgrow

I think this verse is about the death of Victoria
(Death is the first dance, eternal)

I was told there's miracle for
each day that I try
I was told there's a new love
that's born for each one that
has died
I was told there'd be no one to
call on when I feel alone and
afraid
I was told if you dream of the
next world
You'll find yourself swimming
in a lake of fire

I think this is Victoria talking/thinking after her breakup with Julian

As a child, I thought I could
live without pain without
sorrow
As a man I've found it's all
caught up with me
I'm asleep yet I'm so afraid

I think this is Nicolas talking of his dreams about Victoria (his past life)

Somewhere like a scene from a
memory
There's a picture worth a
thousand words
Eluding stares from faces
before me
It hides away and will never be
heard of again

This is Nicolas talking about is hypnotherapy and how it helped him to see things clearly

Deceit is the second without end

Sorry, I can’t figure out this line

The city's cold blood teaches us
to survive
Just keep my heart in your eyes
and we'll stay alive

The third arrives...

I think this verse is about love (the third arrives)….

Before the leaves have fallen
Before we lock the doors
There must be the third and
last dance
This one will last forever
Metropolis watches and
thoughtfully smiles
She's taken you to your home

I think that here, metropolis = Victoria. This verse summarize “the spirit carries on”

It can only take place
When the struggle between
our children has ended

This verse tells us that love can only take place when the fight between Victoria(metropolis), Julian(the sleeper), and Ed (the miracle) has ended.

Now the Miracle and the
Sleeper know that the third
is love

Love is the Dance of Eternity

I think everybody can understand this verse!

Okay, this is MY interpretation of the song. Yet its really complicated and i'm pretty sure I'm wrong in some place. Enjoy!

[RNR]

Very nice. I'm still trying to completely understand every line of Metropolis part 1 and 2 and how they relate. That helped alot.

thanks2u

[Scythe404]

Well, Quebec, your explanation would make sense except for the fact that Part II (SFAM) is a continuation or further rendition of I. So it really doesn't add up the way you put it.

From DTFAQ's:

What is Metroplis Part I Based On?

It is based on the story of a telepathically-linked Romulus and Remus from Virgil's "Aeneid". It has no relation to the 1927 movie "Metropolis".

Petrucci wrote it as a sort of fantasy epic, inspired by the likes of Yes and Rush. The story itself is original (the twins are named Miracle and Sleeper and do not appear in literature) but the story type was Homeric.

It is linked to part 2 (Scenes From A Memory) in that Edward and Julian Baynes are metaphors for Romulus and Remus, and Victoria is a metaphor Rome (or the 'Metropolis'). This is supported by several lyrical lines in SFAM.

[^Dream~Theater^]

I hope someone can post the meaning of metropolis Part 1 and 2
it seems really interesting but complicated.

[Cain]

Dude, you're a ****ing fagot. You have no sense of music at all. First of all there is not one thing boring about Dream Theater. Second of all, your name...maynard sucks..?? What the **** are you thinking??? He is one of the best singers out there. When you read this review, get a gun and shoot yourself, because someone with your music sense should die

Shut up. Just shut up. Using "faggot" as a negative term for gay people is first horribly tasteless and second will not change anybody's mind. He's a pretty close-minded kid from what he said, but you are the bigger idiot and have proven nothing by what you said.

[Quebec]

Well, Quebec, your explanation would make sense except for the fact that Part II (SFAM) is a continuation or further rendition of I. So it really doesn't add up the way you put it.:
"what can go wrong will go wrong"... At least I tried!

[Stormrider33]

Eh...Pardon me to break up the argument but does Petrucci use many effects? Ive heard a wah (Voices, Glass Prison) and ive heard a phaser (This Dying Soul) but does he use any other effects in his songs like flange, tremelo, or backwards effects ever?

[iscariot666]

He uses an array of effects, too many for me to name. I dont know what you mean by backwards effects; but i read once that for the guitar solo in 'misunderstood', petrucci wrote the solo, learnt it backwards, and then once it was recorded it was then reversed again.

[MNbassist78]

He uses an array of effects, too many for me to name. I dont know what you mean by backwards effects; but i read once that for the guitar solo in 'misunderstood', petrucci wrote the solo, learnt it backwards, and then once it was recorded it was then reversed again.

Thats different, about the solo

[Quebec]

Eh...Pardon me to break up the argument but does Petrucci use many effects? Ive heard a wah (Voices, Glass Prison) and ive heard a phaser (This Dying Soul) but does he use any other effects in his songs like flange, tremelo, or backwards effects ever?
He uses many effects.. He has a huge pedal board with all the tones for each songs programmed in it! (See "live at Budokan" DVD disc2)

[Quebec]

:upset: This thread is on page 8? :upset: anyway... anyone seen DT live? I never did cuz when they came in my area, it was 19+... They also came with YES this summer in montreal but I dont really like yes so I didn't waste my money!

[RNR]

I've seen DVDs.

That counts...

[Quebec]

I've seen DVDs.

That counts...
I forgot the DVDs...

[Cain]

I forgot the DVDs...

I wish it did count... :upset: Oh well, they don't look very exciting anyway. If Petrucci didn't have to concentrate so hard on what he was playing. At least Alex Lifeson hops around and makes faces and does impromptu comedy sketches...saw it myself at a Rush show in August. 16th row seats!

[RiceMonster]

I really wish I could see them live...

[drumguy89]

I don't find Petrucci to be in a state of heavy concentration that often. He usually isn't even looking at his guitar as he plays, just making funny faces or simply looking around at the audience. (My personal favorite thing that the two main soloing members of DT, Petrucci and Rudess do, is when doing bends or wah parts, they'll sometimes move their mouths like they are speaking the parts :lol: Can't really explain it, just watch LaB)

[Cain]

I don't find Petrucci to be in a state of heavy concentration that often. He usually isn't even looking at his guitar as he plays, just making funny faces or simply looking around at the audience. (My personal favorite thing that the two main soloing members of DT, Petrucci and Rudess do, is when doing bends or wah parts, they'll sometimes move their mouths like they are speaking the parts :lol: Can't really explain it, just watch LaB)

Vai's got that bug REAL bad. So do I, for that matter.

[Quebec]

I wish it did count... :upset: Oh well, they don't look very exciting anyway. If Petrucci didn't have to concentrate so hard on what he was playing. At least Alex Lifeson hops around and makes faces and does impromptu comedy sketches...saw it myself at a Rush show in August. 16th row seats!
YEah, I wish Petrucci would look more like a human than a statue during shows... well, I think it's better that way, he doesn't mess up his parts!

[Wo@lcan]

Vai's got that bug REAL bad. So do I, for that matter.
OMG me too! WEE R TEH K00L!

[Wo@lcan]

Ok, I don't know if this has been asked in this thread before... I don't really wanna bother reading the 7 past pages.

So

Are the Dream Theater live at budokan dvd any good? Of course your gonna say it's it good, but is it like bloody awsome? I'm thinking of wishing it for christmas, so I wanna know if it's THAT good...

[MNbassist78]

Ok, I don't know if this has been asked in this thread before... I don't really wanna bother reading the 7 past pages.

So

Are the Dream Theater live at budokan dvd any good? Of course your gonna say it's it good, but is it like bloody awsome? I'm thinking of wishing it for christmas, so I wanna know if it's THAT good...

I personally liked, but when watching it set to 5.1 surround sound the sound gets really messed up. But Jordan Ruddess kicks *** on it.

[Cain]

OMG me too! WEE R TEH K00L! :lol:

[iceland_is_mine]

Somewhat moved from general revelery:

I'm going out to the local music store today, and while searching for a new artist I remembered Dream Theatre. Would they be interesting to a person who likes AC/DC, Amon Amarth, and lots in between? If so, what is a good album? From what i've heard, i'm thinking Shange Of Seasons or Awake.

[AClotM1]

Awake is my favorite album by them, favorite song off that album is Scarred.

[jamesclelland]

I like Endless Sacrifice, but I haven't really heard any of the older stuff.

[Cain]

Somewhat moved from general revelery:

I'm going out to the local music store today, and while searching for a new artist I remembered Dream Theatre. Would they be interesting to a person who likes AC/DC, Amon Amarth, and lots in between? If so, what is a good album? From what i've heard, i'm thinking Shange Of Seasons or Awake.

Picking up Scenes From a Memory would definitely be cool. Probably not "A Change of Seasons:" that's really one original and a lot of bad covers, so that doesn't really represent the band's compositional skill very well at all. I stand by 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence as their finest songwriting moment in their career if not their finest technical moment, so I would recommend that as well.

[bball_1523]

does Portnoy have any drum battles with anybody? I would love to see that.

[The JoZ]

I personally liked, but when watching it set to 5.1 surround sound the sound gets really messed up. But Jordan Ruddess kicks *** on it.

There was discussion on this, apparantly it was some sort of malfunction and the 5.1 surround sound doesn't sound as good.

Set it to normal stereo it should sound fine, said Portnoy.

[Quebec]

There was discussion on this, apparantly it was some sort of malfunction and the 5.1 surround sound doesn't sound as good.

Set it to normal stereo it should sound fine, said Portnoy.
Yeah,the 2.0 stereo sounds better than the 5.1 surround... :upset:

[deathbeforedisco]

To anyone new to Dream Theater and wants to check them out:

Unlike other people's suggestions, DO NOT get Scenes From A Memory first. I think its their best album, but I've given it to some of my frineds and they hated it. The, I gave one Awake and they loved. Get either Awake or Images and Words first, then if you like them get Scenes From A Memory.

[Cain]

To anyone new to Dream Theater and wants to check them out:

Unlike other people's suggestions, DO NOT get Scenes From A Memory first. I think its their best album, but I've given it to some of my frineds and they hated it. The, I gave one Awake and they loved. Get either Awake or Images and Words first, then if you like them get Scenes From A Memory.

Images and Words may be a bit too cerebral for some. Awake is a good choice, but I would still say maybe 6DOIT or hell, even Train of Thought, despite the fact that I hated it.

[kevbud187]

"A Change of Seasons" the song on "The Change of Seasons" Album

One Word:

Epic

The first time i played that song for my band and i said that is the style we strive for they handed me three guitars. A Signature Warlock 7 String a Martin accoustic and A Gibson Les Paul they said if you play that song for us you are GOD. So I came back a week later with the official sheet music and we sat there for da'mn near 30mins and i played all the guitar as i tried to resing the lyrics. THEY BOW TO ME AND KISS MY FEET!

Epic I Say Epic

I'm gonna make a death pact right now:
Kill me if I ever forget what this song is and means

Play this at my funneral

[Quebec]

OKay, the best R&M song round2 poll1 will close soon. Everybody who didn't vote, go vote for A CHANGE OF SEASON! hurry up, it'll close soon!
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=271550

[Quebec]

^^The poll is now closed^^
:upset: :upset: And A CHANGE OF SEASON wont go in the next round.. :upset:

[Facsimile]

So what are all of the songs that John uses a 7 string on? I know of The Glass Prison and The Mirror.

[The Depressed]

So what are all of the songs that John uses a 7 string on? I know of The Glass Prison and The Mirror.

Caught In A Web
Lie
A Change Of Seasons
New Millenium
Dance Of Eternity
One Last Time (he doesn't use the B string much in this song)
Misunderstood
This Dying Soul

I think that's it. I'm not sure about the rest of Falling Into Infinity, but New Millenium is definately on a 7 string.

[HighasAkite]

^^The poll is now closed^^
:upset: :upset: And A CHANGE OF SEASON wont go in the next round.. :upset:

**** that really sucks :upset: I think it deserves to win first, there is so much emotion and thought put into that song.

[newWorld]

Picking up Scenes From a Memory would definitely be cool. Probably not "A Change of Seasons:" that's really one original and a lot of bad covers, so that doesn't really represent the band's compositional skill very well at all. I stand by 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence as their finest songwriting moment in their career if not their finest technical moment, so I would recommend that as well.

I thought the covers rocked. Especially the Zeppelin, and Elton John ones.

[biaxident]

A Change of Seasons is probably the most amazing song ever. The covers are okay, the Elton John one is good but I've never been a fan of Zepplin and I ddn't really like The Big Medley either.

[Cain]

Meh, I don't think the covers were that great. It's a crappy showcase for Derek Sherinian as well.

[Quebec]

I like the covers, but i think they could have been alot better. If Rudess replaced Sherinian... But everytime i hear A CHANGE OF SEASON I forget it all! Maybe firing Sherinian to "hire" Rudess is one of the best thing that could have happened to DT(after the departure of Dominici, of course!)! Anyone feels like me?

[drumguy89]

More 7 string songs:

The Glass Prison & Track 2 off of Train of Thought (forgot the name)

[Quebec]

More 7 string songs:

The Glass Prison & Track 2 off of Train of Thought (forgot the name)
Track 2 off ToT = This dying soul

[Quebec]

R&M top100 songs round2 poll4
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272720
Everybody vote for THE GLASS PRISON.
Please.

[Triangle]

Glass Prison, and this dying soul. Great tracks :) . The riffage is class.

I love the lead intro for this dying soul. What a way to start :thumb:

[ToolBox]

I just found DT and although I can say they aren't my favorite type of music, I can greatly appreciate the musical talent they have as a band and they are starting to turn me onto a harder type of rock. It proves even if you play metal (would you call it that? I suck with genres) that skill can still be used.

[Quebec]

Check this out: http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/MikePortnoy1.html This is pretty cool!

[Quebec]

Check this out: http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/MikePortnoy1.html This is pretty cool! (Drums of "paradigm Shift (opening)" by LTE)

[Dorkinlove]

I have been a Dream Theater fan for a little over two years now. My first DT album was Awake, a very good all-around album. But when I got SIx Degrees of Inner Turbulence it completely blew my mind. And then hearing A Change of Seasons blew my mind once again, and to this day it's still my favorite song by any band. What I love about Dream Theater is not only that they are extremely talented and are amazing songwriters, but that they are such a good live band as well. I saw them live in Boston on April 1st, 2004 and it was such an amazing show. Also, John Myung deserves some recognition...it seems that the rest of the band (especially Petrucci and Portnoy) gets most of the spotlight while Myung get's hardly any. And Jordan Rudess is without a doubt my favorite keyboardest in the world.

[robnathanson]

bassists never get enough respect.

[RNR]

Hehe, Myung is isane live. You barely hear him during the heavy stuff, but he's playing pretty much the same thing as the guitar.

And that's very hard to do.

[Tails]

I like the covers, but i think they could have been alot better. If Rudess replaced Sherinian... But everytime i hear A CHANGE OF SEASON I forget it all! Maybe firing Sherinian to "hire" Rudess is one of the best thing that could have happened to DT(after the departure of Dominici, of course!)! Anyone feels like me?

I don't think that replacing Sherinian was the best thing they've done. Yes Rudess is an amazing keyboardist and certainly is an asset to the band, but I like Sherinian as well. He just never got a chance to showcase what he's made of. Was it a good move replacing him? Yes, they originally wanted Rudess anyway to take over after Moore. Was it the best thing they've done? No, that title belongs to writing ACOS.

[drum_player4life1]

I love Scenes From A Memory....


Alex

[MAthiAS]

I don't think that replacing Sherinian was the best thing they've done. Yes Rudess is an amazing keyboardist and certainly is an asset to the band, but I like Sherinian as well. He just never got a chance to showcase what he's made of. Was it a good move replacing him? Yes, they originally wanted Rudess anyway to take over after Moore. Was it the best thing they've done? No, that title belongs to writing ACOS.
I don't know. Rudess is probably the most skilled of the three, and I think they've all had some good contributions.

[Magicaltroll]

hey, i didnt read all the pages yet (but i will), but i wanted to know something.

i really like the dream theatre stuff that heavier, like all the ballads and stuff, i mean theyre awesome and everything, but i really like the heavier stuff. sop what album should i get that has the most havy stuff on it.

so far i have images and words, scenes from a memory, and train of thought

i have to say i like train of thought the best out of those.

but yeah id appreciate any help you guys give me :)

[Quebec]

hey, i didnt read all the pages yet (but i will), but i wanted to know something.

i really like the dream theatre stuff that heavier, like all the ballads and stuff, i mean theyre awesome and everything, but i really like the heavier stuff. sop what album should i get that has the most havy stuff on it.

so far i have images and words, scenes from a memory, and train of thought

i have to say i like train of thought the best out of those.

but yeah id appreciate any help you guys give me :)
"Train of thougt" is their heaviest album. But get "6 degrees of inner turbulence" for "the glass prison"(disc1), "war inside my head" n' "the test that stumped them all"(disc2). This is all heavy stuff.

[PetrucciFollower101]

Have you people lost you minds? Dream Theater is one of the greatest bands of our time. You a$$'s are just a bunch of spoiled pansies and want more from these musical masters. John Petrucci is one of the greatest guitar players. Period. He has intense speed on his guitar that is unmatched in any I've seen. Jordan Rudess, how DARE you criticize him. This man was born a child piano prodige, and is unsurpassed by ANY rock keyboardist to date. John Myung is never given a huge solo within which to shine, but can keep up with Petrucci on the fast melody licks. Mike Portnoy is revered as a drum god, and is the youngest drummer to be admitted into the Drumming Hall of Fame(or something like that). I read that some thought that James LaBrie's vocals sucked? That pothead needs to f*cking sober up, his singing is insane!! You listen to gritty Cobaine lyrics, don't you? (@$$) Wake up ladies, we are in the presence of greatness, and we should enjoy it before it fades.

[^Dream~Theater^]

Have you people lost you minds? Dream Theater is one of the greatest bands of our time. You a$$'s are just a bunch of spoiled pansies and want more from these musical masters. John Petrucci is one of the greatest guitar players. Period. He has intense speed on his guitar that is unmatched in any I've seen. Jordan Rudess, how DARE you criticize him. This man was born a child piano prodige, and is unsurpassed by ANY rock keyboardist to date. John Myung is never given a huge solo within which to shine, but can keep up with Petrucci on the fast melody licks. Mike Portnoy is revered as a drum god, and is the youngest drummer to be admitted into the Drumming Hall of Fame(or something like that). I read that some thought that James LaBrie's vocals sucked? That pothead needs to f*cking sober up, his singing is insane!! You listen to gritty Cobaine lyrics, don't you? (@$$) Wake up ladies, we are in the presence of greatness, and we should enjoy it before it fades.
i agree but its a matter of someone's opinion. It's not wrong.

[KingEdward5150]

i listen to stuff from Piosin all the way to Judas Priest...

my favorite 'area' is kind of in between (queensrych, iron maiden, skid row, tesla, whitesnake)

would i like dream theater? is it like 'rapsody'? i do enjoy songs like 'rage of the titans' etc

[Cain]

I think you would like DT a lot based on what you said.

[demon_LLAMA]

Vai's got that bug REAL bad. So do I, for that matter.

guilty :wave:

[jensmatty]

Dont mean to p!s$ people off by falling back on this, but Carey is way more original in his pieces, most of the time, than Portnoy, any Yes fans will reckognise a few of the grooves Portnoy played on 6DoIT copied directly from Yes. And everything he plays sounds very similar, but he's got the fastest hands i've seen. I downloaded a bootleg video of touring into infinity live in newyork... his solo is insane, he goes insanely fast playing like 64th notes (32nd note singles with double strokes) or something like that and it's freaky, that's without breaking it up with the bass drum. But all round Carey's a much more original composer.
there are no shockingly horrible unbareable DT songs, but some are less memoriable than others...

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

I also like Carey much more then Portnoy. But Portnoy can play the drums the fastest I've ever seen/heard.

So pretty much echoing the poster above me.

[moncholo]

dream theater, like any other cool prog band, is gonna have the departure od theitr singer, n portnoy is gonna replace him.. like genesis, spock´s beard ,etc.

[moncholo]

can anyone give me a list, or any transcription that shows the "this dying soul" time sigs? im havin a hard time trying to figure out the last 4 minutes or so

[The Depressed]

http://www.mysongbook.com/tab-tab_list-id_tablature=41291.htm

This is a Guitar Pro 4 tab but it has pretty much everything, even that long as unison line at the end and the keyboard solo. Very fancy.

Mysongbook is THE best place to find DT tabs. Some of them on there are a bit 'ooer' (especially Voices, Met. Pt1 and Hells Kitchen, but I fixed HK up a little. I've got no account, so I can't upload it, unfortunately) but there are some amazing ones like This Dying Soul, Home and Beyond This Life. It's amazing that some people are skilled enough to figure EVERYTHING out by themselves.

[Khron_Tama]

Forum noob here :wave:

I have all the DT albums to date, and even a few bootlegs & misc stuff (cleaning out the closet, FIF & WDADU demos etc)..

(almost) Each member, by himself, is the peak of today's musical "artistry":

Mike Portnoy : band spokesperson, a musical "nutcase" in the good sense (he didn't win 21 Modern Drummer reader's polls -> http://www.mikeportnoy.com/default2.asp ), awing lyric-writer, my biggest influence on drumming to date (thanks, in part, to M2:SFAM DVD and Liquid Drum Theater)...

John Petrucci: easily one of the best guitar players out there (can barely wait for his solo album.. i LOVE Damage Control -> 2001 G3 tour), also a grand songwriter, could take on the likes of Satriani and Vai anyday :naughty:

John Myung : the epitamy of bass playing, apparently "anti-social" (i've read that, on tours, when they're not rehearsing or soundchecking, he's in some corner, practising... that shoul tell ya a thing or two :amaze: )

Jordan Rudess: for his second piano lesson, he had already composed improvisations for his "homework" (this being when he was either 5 or 9... can't remember now.. :D ), even does solo tours, has several solo albums... Plus if he does things like the piano solo he does on Dance Of Eternity, think about what he'd be able to do with Parkinson's :lol:

James LaBrie: a voice that fits in perfectly with what the other guys are doing (for an older proof of JLB's singing, look up Winter Rose, his Canadian band from the '80s.. nice old-school hard-rock, pretty much love-oriented lyrics, but nice overall), great live performance, wouldn't mind having him as a vocal in my band :D


From another point of view, i must agree with some that TOT is really not the direction i would've expected DT to evolve.. Myself i "bask" in their older creations: IAW, ACOS, SFAM and even FIF (altough not each and every song.. Hell's Kitchen is one of their instrumental masterpieces).

I can't quite say anything on the Portnoy-Carey debate.. i've only seen the video from whatever Tool put out from Lateralus... couldn' make much out concerning the drums, but the overall impression was.. "****, weird stuff..." but i HAVE seen Portnoy in action: Liquid Drum Theater and Progressive Drum Concepts should be a solid proof, reinforcing the Live Scenes From NY..

PS: i'd like to see/hear what Danny Carey would churn out in a week or so.. i don't suppose he'd have time to do that many occult equations or whatever :D , unlike Portnoy.. he & the LT guys did the 1st album in 5 DAYS, and the 2nd in about 15 days... that's gotta be tough to beat :lol:

It would be great if Portnoy, Petrucci, Rudess & Levin got together for an LTE3 :D

[Quebec]

Forum noob here :wave:

John Myung : the epitamy of bass playing, apparently "anti-social" (i've read that, on tours, when they're not rehearsing or soundchecking, he's in some corner, practising... that shoul tell ya a thing or two :amaze: )

http://www.dtfaq.com/category/?categoryid=7#33
It would be great if Portnoy, Petrucci, Rudess & Levin got together for an LTE3
http://www.dtfaq.com/category/?categoryid=24#1047


Anyway, :wave: Hello to one more DT fan in this forum!

[Quebec]

DON'T SAY THIS HAS NO LINK WITH DT

RIP Dimebag Darrell
Lets never forget him.....

http://www.mikeportnoy.com/about/mike/albums.asp?menu=about

Pantera's Vulgair display of power - One of MP's favourite album (top 20!)....

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275105
If you respected Dime in some ways, post something here ^^
If you hate hime, forget this post.

DT rules. RIP dime

[^Dream~Theater^]

DON'T SAY THIS HAS NO LINK WITH DT

RIP Dimebag Darrell
Lets never forget him.....

http://www.mikeportnoy.com/about/mike/albums.asp?menu=about

Pantera's Vulgair display of power - One of MP's favourite album (top 20!)....

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275105
If you respected Dime in some ways, post something here ^^
If you hate hime, forget this post.

DT rules. RIP dime
that dosent have anything to do with dream theater, other than portnoy likes a pantera album, Which isn't something worth posting here. RIP dimebag though

[Quebec]

that dosent have anything to do with dream theater, other than portnoy likes a pantera album, Which isn't something worth posting here. RIP dimebag though
I know, I was completely shoked...

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Check this out :http://www.dtfaq.com/category/?categoryid=11#112
Those are misheard lyrics... Pretty funny! Expecialy the one in "the mirror" when JLB sings "lets stare at the problem right in the eyes". You can hear "lets start a party it's friday night".

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

I know, I was completely shoked...

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Check this out :http://www.dtfaq.com/category/?categoryid=11#112
Those are misheard lyrics... Pretty funny! Expecialy the one in "the mirror" when JLB sings "lets stare at the problem right in the eyes". You can hear "lets start a party it's friday night".

:eek:

Where are you from?

Montreal, represent.

[Quebec]

:eek:

Where are you from?

Montreal, represent.
Gatineau

[free_thinkers_are_dangerous]

Sweet.


:chug: