Dream Theater

[Demon_Hunter_II]

I just got Live At Budokan, and in the break in Beyond This Life around 37 minutes where Jordan does that amazing keyboard thing then goes right back into the solo is completely orgasmic...

[slappindabass]

I have:

- Live from Tokyo
- 5 years in a LiveTime
- Scenes from New York
- Live at Budokan

They are all worth it. Especially Live at Tokyo. Watching them perform the Ytse Jam............. is it even possible to play like that???

Grab at least a couple.

Yeh Myung is definatley a musical genius, and you're right we've only seen like 2% of his capacity. They need to let him just go crazy one day.

[hallowed_ironmaiden]

Out of curiosity, how many of you guys have seen them live. I saw the Train of Thought Tour in Kansas City. The set list wasn't the greatest, but I like that album, so....

[red barchetta]

i saw them in Japan during their 6DOIT tour.

[Dragon_Prince]

I have some tickerts for the show in the Netherlands =) I'm looking forward too it =)

[IvortheEngineDriver]

I just got Live At Budokan, and in the break in Beyond This Life around 37 minutes where Jordan does that amazing keyboard thing then goes right back into the solo is completely orgasmic...
The Instrumeledy is my favorite on the DVD...I came in my pants so many times, its like seeing a really awesome magic show, you are like "whoa, how the **** do they do that?"

I know I'm a little late but I bought the new album (I know its like Octvarium, but I can't spell it yet, so sue me assholes ;) )

I wasn't that impressed, I had the impression that it was trying to be hard, but wasn't quite there...didn't have the oomph that ToT had.
I admit, I do love The Root of All Evil, These Walls and Panic Attack...I dont know, I might have to listen to it a lot more...been going back and forth between so many albums :)

[juggalotricksta]

The Instrumeledy is my favorite on the DVD...I came in my pants so many times, its like seeing a really awesome magic show, you are like "whoa, how the **** do they do that?"

I know I'm a little late but I bought the new album (I know its like Octvarium, but I can't spell it yet, so sue me assholes ;) )

I wasn't that impressed, I had the impression that it was trying to be hard, but wasn't quite there...didn't have the oomph that ToT had.
I admit, I do love The Root of All Evil, These Walls and Panic Attack...I dont know, I might have to listen to it a lot more...been going back and forth between so many albums :)

Word. Octavarium was pretty anticlimactic. Its an ok album, but it wasnt even near being worth all the build up that was behind it.

And yeah that instrumedley at Budokan PHKN PWNS. I have SFNY, 5YIAL, IAWLIT, and Budokan...and Budokan is probably the best dvd. Although SFNY is pretty friggin close.

[Chu]

I'd actually go so far as to say that Myung is the best musician in the band. Portnoy is pretty overrated...he's a good drummer but nothing great, like a lot of people say he is. Petrucci's good as well (very good in fact), but showboats a bit too much...he doesn't focus on the music so much as himself at times, although he can play with a lot of feeling as well). Ruddess suffers from the same sort of thing as Petrucci in my opinion, albeit to a lesser extent. With Myung, he can keep up with Petrucci at times, but he also knows how to sit back and let the music happen, rather than try and force the issue too much. He might not be the most talented musician in the band, but I'd say he understands the music better.
I agree, I read a fan bio on Myung, and it said he's pretty quiet, which, if I ever made it big, would be me, so Myung is probably my favourite musician from a personality point of view.
Just sit back and enjoy the music, even if you are an amazing musician and could go around saying how **** good you are.

I would really like a Dream Theater album were they let Myung explore more, maybe he should join the bandwagon and go do a solo album :o

[-TheGlassPrison-]

Does anyone have the full Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence?
like the whole 42 minutes of it?
Ive been looking for it forever!!!

[Chu]

It's split into like 8 songs, isn't it?

[vashts80]

Uhh...the track Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is the second disc of the 6DOIT album split into tracks..only the band has the "one-42 minute song" version of it since Portnoy didn't want people to have to skip through say 20 mins of the 42 to get to a certain part

[Rounder]

anybody ever haer the Working man tribute to rush where sebastian bach is singing jacobs ladder with portnoy? (petrucci and JL were on the album to, not sure if JP was on that song).that dude has some serious fuking pipes on him.

What they need to do imo is fire labrie, Rudess, get sebastian and Kevin moore back in there. and DT will be reborn.

[-TheGlassPrison-]

Uhh...the track Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is the second disc of the 6DOIT album split into tracks..only the band has the "one-42 minute song" version of it since Portnoy didn't want people to have to skip through say 20 mins of the 42 to get to a certain part


Hahaha thanks!
Just learned something i did not know!

[Spiritofmosa]

\




















what makes you guys like dream theatre

[MAthiAS]

what makes you guys like dream theatre
Awake :thumb:

[Chu]

Awake :thumb:
Really?
I can't seem to get into Awake as much as Six Degrees.. Or even Scenes..

[Rounder]

what makes you guys like dream theatre

They have good and bad. For the most part, the good heavily outweighed the bad. The last couple of records have not been so.

What makes me like them is when they do things right, its like nothing else in the world. A change of seasons is one of the most perfect songs I have ever heard. There is not a part I do not like the whole 23 minutes. I will always have respect for DT because of that song. :evil:

[hallowed_ironmaiden]

I do not know if this conversation has been posted yet, but what do you guys think of Octavarium? I thought was similar to "Falling Into Infinnity" only heavier. Overall it was pretty good.

3.5/5 (however, I have only listend to half of the title track, everyone says it is the best)

[Otherside]

what makes you guys like dream theatre

Images and Words

[slappindabass]

I don't consider 6DoIT 1 song. I think it's a pretty cheap way to say "hey look we wrote a song that is 42 minutes long." But each of the songs is good in its own way. 6DoIT is a great album though, my favorite being Disc 1 though. Some motherf.ucker stole it off of me though, along with my CD player which it was in.

They should let Myung explore.

[horseypie]

octavarium is pretty much 4 songs and a chorus slammed together in different time signatures and rhythms....dont get me wrong its good....but all theyve done is gone...written a few songs and sed...hey lets link them and make a really big song

[Prince of Darkness]

what makes you guys like dream theatre

Well, DT is quite unpredictable. They bring out an album and you don't know if its gonna bomb or be a success. But, over the eight albums they've done, they mainly released masterpieces, like Images and Words, Awake, SFAM, Train of Thought(Yeah, I actually like this one), and now, Octavarium. But that's not all that attracts me to DT. They have AMAZING, TALENTED members. Myung, The best(imo), Petrucci, the God of the guitar, Portnoy, Amazing drummer, Rudess, the best keyboardest.
Fianally LaBrie, who, well, you kinda have to get used to him, but when you are, you would most probably love it.

Dream Theater had its ups and downs, but overall, they remain a strong, solid prog-metal band.Classic. :thumb:

[Lord of Sword]

james is actually a very good singer, regardless of whether or not people like his voice, as a lot of professionals have said before. awake shows off just how good he is, on songs like lifting shadows off a dream or voices.
as for why i like them, i just like their style and music. i like the complexity and virtuosity of them aswell though of course, one other thing about that is that you can listen to the songs much more without ever getting bored. i was listening to the dance of eternity a few weeks ago and heard a keyboard part near the end that i'd never even heard before which just keeps you interested longer.

[trysthedrummer]

what makes you guys like dream theatre Hmm, there are a few albums I like at this moment, which includes Octavarium and possibly 6DOIT. The second disc on 6DOIT is broken into 8 tracks, yes, and they are:

I. Overture
II. About To Crash
III. War Inside My Head
IV. The Test That Stumped Them All
V. Goodnight Kiss
VI. Solitary Shell
VII. About To Crash (Reprise)
VIII. Losing Time/Grand Finale


I think Goodnight Kiss is a great song. Has everyone checked out Portnoys radio files on his site?

[thebigyin]

Does anyone find it weird when a DT fan is also a fan of Metallica? It's like a paradox (sorta), an intelligent DT fan listening to Metallica...?

I know this was said 890734987 years ago, but I thought you might like to know I'm a Dream Theater fan who is also a fan of Metallica. Both great, but obviously DT are way better musicians. :thumb:

Ciao

[thebigyin]

what makes you guys like dream theatre

:amaze: Nothing MAKES me like Dream Theater. I like Dream Theater because I think it is one of the few bands with technically talented musicians that still manage to churn out album after album of - let's face it - bloody amazin' music.

Oh and by the way, the name is spelled with the "r" after the "e". Keep that in mind :p

[Chu]

I know this was said 890734987 years ago, but I thought you might like to know I'm a Dream Theater fan who is also a fan of Metallica. Both great, but obviously DT are way better musicians. :thumb:

Ciao
Meh, I love Metallica, Dream Theater and Megadeth pretty equally, I don't think I prefer one band over the other.

[thebigyin]

Meh, I love Metallica, Dream Theater and Megadeth pretty equally, I don't think I prefer one band over the other.

Great! I'm not alone!

By the way, I don't prefer Dream Theater over Metallica. I just think DT have better technical ability.

[hallowed_ironmaiden]

Yes, I love Dream Theater's ability, but Metallica is also very talented considering that they are a thrash band. However, I like Metallica better, but I enjoy how all of Dream Theater's musicians are excellent players

[thebigyin]

Yes, I love Dream Theater's ability, but Metallica is also very talented considering that they are a thrash band. However, I like Metallica better, but I enjoy how all of Dream Theater's musicians are excellent players

Yep, I agree with you: Metallica are very talented. I'd have to take the stance of Chu, though, and say I don't really like one more than the other.

[thebigyin]

Oh yeah, and by the way, is anybody else here going to see "A Night With Dream Theater" at the Hammersmith Apollo in London? :naughty:

I am, and I CANNY WAIT!!!! :D

[RideTheLighting]

anyone gona chekc out gigantour?
----------------------------------------

http://s9.invisionfree.com/The_Underworld/index.php?act=idx

[hallowed_ironmaiden]

Oh yeah, and by the way, is anybody else here going to see "A Night With Dream Theater" at the Hammersmith Apollo in London? :naughty:

I am, and I CANNY WAIT!!!! :D

your a lucky man

[thebigyin]

anyone gona chekc out gigantour?

Nope..........sadly, I live in Scotland. If only DT would tour closer to home.

Although, London ain't THAT much of a trip for such a great gig, eh? :)

[thebigyin]

your a lucky man

.....and don't I know it lol :p

[hallowed_ironmaiden]

This has probably been done many times, but what songs would you want to see on a best of cd for DT?

[slappindabass]

This has probably been done many times, but what songs would you want to see on a best of cd for DT?

I have all their CD's, so I could burn my own. But let's change that to DVD. In no specific order:

- Metropolis pt. 1
- Learning to Live
- Lines in the Sand
- Stream of Consciousness
- The Glass Prison
- The Root of All Evil
- Panic Attack
- Never Enough
- Sacrificed Sons
- Erotomania
- The Dance of Eternity
- Fatal Tragedy
- Misunderstood
- The Ytse Jam

Can't remember anymore. Later.

[hallowed_ironmaiden]

I would like to see more stuff from "Awake" and "Images.."

[The Moor]

In my opinion every Dream Theater album is a "Best Of ..." at that point in their career. But some standouts on a Greatest Hits would have to be:

Metropolis Pt I
Erotomania
Lie
Take the Time
The Dance of Eternity
Home
Surrounded
The Glass Prison
Stream Of Conciousness


... thats about one CD worth of great music, wish I could throw Octavarium on there too but its just too long. Maybe a bonus disc of something hehehe.

[juggalotricksta]

Oh man a DT Greatest Hits DVD???

I dont think I would have time to sit through every one of their songs... :lol:

[thebigyin]

This has probably been done many times, but what songs would you want to see on a best of cd for DT?

Oooooh Christ, where the hell do you start?!?!

Right......

The Ytse Jam
Take The Time
Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle And The Sleeper
A Mind Beside Itself Part 1: Erotomania
Hollow Years
Trial Of Tears
Overture 1928
Beyond This Life
The Dance Of Eternity
The Glass Prison
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence III: War Inside My Head
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence IV: The Test That Stumped Them All
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence VI: Solitary Shell
This Dying Soul
The Root Of All Evil
Panic Attack

....and that is REALLY cutting it down. As you can see, it would not be a simple one-disc matter. At least four would be necessary to do the band any justice :cool:

[thebigyin]

In my opinion every Dream Theater album is a "Best Of ..." at that point in their career.

Couldn't agree more. :thumb:

[vashts80]

I don't see why so many people bash Dominicci, he sings similar to LaBrie (listening to Metropolis live from "When Dream and Day Reunite: Live")

[thebigyin]

I don't see why so many people bash Dominicci, he sings similar to LaBrie (listening to Metropolis live from "When Dream and Day Reunite: Live")

Woah, that's a real subject-changer! :amaze:

[GenuineImitation]

The Glass Prison
Lie
Endless Sacrifice
As I Am
Pull Me Under
Home
Change of Seasons
This Dying Soul
The Root of All Evil
Under a Glass Moon
Take the time
Trail of Tears

[Lord Abortion]

right, octavarium should appear through the lovely folks at cheapcds tomorrow so impressions will be posted then...

best of DT ohhh, say 20 songs


space dye vest
pull me under
another day
take the time
surrounded
metropolis pt.1
under a glass moon
wait for sleep
learning to live
endless sacrifice
in the name of god
as I am
this dying soul
through my words
the spirit carries on
through her eyes
a change of seasons
Lie
beyond this life
one last time

bearing in mind I don't have six degrees, FII or octavarium

[slappindabass]

I don't see why so many people bash Dominicci, he sings similar to LaBrie (listening to Metropolis live from "When Dream and Day Reunite: Live")

The only song where his vocals are any good is "The Afterlife", which I think he did better than LaBrie could have. Other than that, he's not a great singer. Just not that adaptable. Just try and imagine him doing "Learning to Live" or "The Glass Prison" or "Lines in the Sand". He'd ruin those songs.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Ok,I have looked through a fair few pages of this thread, but im not lloking at all of them. So if this has been asked before i'm sorry.
Anyways, why the hell wont DT come to Australia? They would easily get good ticket sales. Maybe they just dont like our accents, lol. Is there any known reason why they havent come yet?

[Chu]

I would love DT to come to Australia! :)
I would fly to Perth just to see them, and I live in Canberra, so that's quite a flight :p

My favourite DT album is SDOIT, but Images & Words is awesome too.

[pizzapie88]

I would love DT to come to Australia! :)
I would fly to Perth just to see them, and I live in Canberra, so that's quite a flight :p

So have DT never been to Australia? If this is so my chances of seeing them are not too high (I live in New Zealand).

[horseypie]

yeh....ah well

if they dont come ill smash all their cds...thatll teach them

[Chu]

So have DT never been to Australia? If this is so my chances of seeing them are not too high (I live in New Zealand).
No idea!
But I think (hope) Gigantour is coming to Australia?
I think I have heard people talking about it...

[nowitzki]

Oh yeah, and by the way, is anybody else here going to see "A Night With Dream Theater" at the Hammersmith Apollo in London? :naughty:

I am, and I CANNY WAIT!!!! :D

Yes sir, 2 nights in a row I'm gonna be there :D

The only song where his vocals are any good is "The Afterlife", which I think he did better than LaBrie could have. Other than that, he's not a great singer. Just not that adaptable. Just try and imagine him doing "Learning to Live" or "The Glass Prison" or "Lines in the Sand". He'd ruin those songs.

He's not that bad, just doesn't come close to LaBrie. He seems to remind me of a Power Metal singer.

I personally think WDADU is a good album with some great tracks on there, although whenever they have been done live with LaBrie on vocals they are much better.

[slappindabass]

I personally think WDADU is a good album with some great tracks on there, although whenever they have been done live with LaBrie on vocals they are much better.

Yeh exactly. LaBrie is just more mature of a singer. His voice is more adaptable. He's better, more concentrated. Dominici was always shaky on vocals.

[red barchetta]

Yeh exactly. LaBrie is just more mature of a singer. His voice is more adaptable. He's better, more concentrated. Dominici was always shaky on vocals.
yeah, it shows on the live version of 'another hand - the killing hand'

[thebigyin]

...this has absolutely nothing (directly) to do with Dream Theater, but.....

Is it just me, or is there some strange link between Prog and Final Fantasy?!?! In my experience, almost every Prog fan I know likes FF.

Just curious. I've noticed a couple of avatars on this thread related to the games..... anyone here a FF fan?

[red barchetta]

...this has absolutely nothing (directly) to do with Dream Theater, but.....

Is it just me, or is there some strange link between Prog and Final Fantasy?!?! In my experience, almost every Prog fan I know likes FF.

Just curious. I've noticed a couple of avatars on this thread related to the games..... anyone here a FF fan?
i think i can say that final fantasy music helped me get into Dream Theater. Nobuo Uematsu is a great composer.

check out The Black Mages - a band playing ff music in a more rock fashion. there's some great keyboard and guitar work

check out this track by them: Dancing Mad (http://s17.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0LNK5UYX9P7Q23CO6PJJ8X30CF)

[thebigyin]

i think i can say that final fantasy music helped me get into Dream Theater. Nobuo Uematsu is a great composer.

check out The Black Mages - a band playing ff music in a more rock fashion. there's some great keyboard and guitar work

check out this track by them: Dancing Mad (http://s17.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0LNK5UYX9P7Q23CO6PJJ8X30CF)

:amaze: woah! AMAZIN!!!!

By the way, feel free to visit ma "Progressive Rock And Final Fantasy Thread" :p

[red barchetta]

:amaze: woah! AMAZIN!!!!

By the way, feel free to visit ma "Progressive Rock And Final Fantasy Thread" :p
i will :thumb:

[thebigyin]

Ta for that

[shamed-angel]

Oh yeah, and by the way, is anybody else here going to see "A Night With Dream Theater" at the Hammersmith Apollo in London? :naughty:

I am, and I CANNY WAIT!!!! :D
Me too.

[thebigyin]

Me too.

Nice one :cool: :thumb:

Are you from England, or are you having to travel from sunny Scotland or elsewhere?

[Kenshiro]

Oh yes I am, all the way from sunny scotland.

Mon the DT

[thebigyin]

Oh yes I am, all the way from sunny scotland.

Mon the DT

Heh heh :wave:

[Kenshiro]

Though I wish Dream Theater would go on a tour with Circus Maximus and Andromeda.

:thumb: That would be off the wall

[shamed-angel]

Nice one :cool: :thumb:

Are you from England, or are you having to travel from sunny Scotland or elsewhere?
Wales is my origin

[thebigyin]

Wales is my origin

Cool. I'm coming from Scotland maself :)

[BlindWriting]

This has probably been discussed before, but, the best songs in Portnoy's song trilogy are, from favorite to least:
The Glass Prison > This Dying Soul > The Root Of All Evil.

Too bad they get progressively less good, but what's really interesting is listening to all three of them in a row. Pretty mind blowing.

[Monstar1790]

This has probably been discussed before, but, the best songs in Portnoy's song trilogy are, from favorite to least:
The Glass Prison > This Dying Soul > The Root Of All Evil.

Too bad they get progressively less good, but what's really interesting is listening to all three of them in a row. Pretty mind blowing.

I think the Glass Prison is a little too drawn out.

The Root of All Evil > The Glass Prison > This Dying Soul

[red barchetta]

The Root Of all Evil - Glass Prison - This Dying Soul

during glass prison and dying soul, they seem to wander off somewhere else and dont concentrate enough on the structure.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

No idea!
But I think (hope) Gigantour is coming to Australia?
I think I have heard people talking about it...

Yeah, im not sure whats happening with the whole Gigantour thing. I have heard, however, that if it does come to Aus the line up will be alot different. I just hope they would keep DT on it.

[stoned_rat]

completely unrelated.........but can i ask what the connection is between metropolis pt.1 ...and pt.2

[thebigyin]

completely unrelated.........but can i ask what the connection is between metropolis pt.1 ...and pt.2

There are a few wee links. Take a look at the lyrics for both. I've written out a Microsoft Word file with all of them.

The first obvious one is names. Part 1 is called "The Miracle And The Sleeper". These are two of the main characters talked about in Part 2.

I'll try and upload the lyrics to YouSendIt for ya. Take a look; you'll understand all the links if you read through this thoroughly.

[thebigyin]

Dream Theater - METROPOLIS (Parts one and two - Lyrics) (http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0ALTUOJ2G9P7V3DZ9TR351W3TS)

There ye go, stoned rat :thumb:

[Firecracker]

R.I.P Victoria Page

[thebigyin]

R.I.P Victoria Page

...yep

...

[GenuineImitation]

This has probably been discussed before, but, the best songs in Portnoy's song trilogy are, from favorite to least:
The Glass Prison > This Dying Soul > The Root Of All Evil.

Too bad they get progressively less good, but what's really interesting is listening to all three of them in a row. Pretty mind blowing.



Yes, it is mind blowing to listen to them in a row, but I have to disagree that they are getting "less good". I enjoy all three songs and I do not think any is worse than the other.

[Otherside]

The Glass Prison was just mind blowing. I almost have a type of synthesia with that song, it's just great. The other two... not so much..

[Mr Benners]

Anyone managed to link them all together...into like one big AA super track? I can see how it would fit - The ending notes of TGP are the starting notes of TDS, and the end of TDS can easily be made to fit with TROAE in many ways (ie straight into the main riff of TROAE or leaving the build up....whichever). I would try, but I'm pretty crappy at stitching tracks together, so if anyone with talent could then maybe they would upload it?

[MAthiAS]

I just hope they would keep DT on it.
DT are leaving for the last few dates anyway, so I doubt Australia would get them.
Anyone managed to link them all together...into like one big AA super track? I can see how it would fit - The ending notes of TGP are the starting notes of TDS, and the end of TDS can easily be made to fit with TROAE in many ways (ie straight into the main riff of TROAE or leaving the build up....whichever). I would try, but I'm pretty crappy at stitching tracks together, so if anyone with talent could then maybe they would upload it?
Uhh... make a playlist?

[Mr Benners]

Not like that, because at the end of TGP you have the noise of breaking glass after then ending notes and theres the big build up at the start of TROAE. I was just thinking of stitching them all together.

Meh, leave it.

[Shattered_Future]

I think TGP was the best song in that series. It just has everything DT is well known for, and they do a superb job on it, on all fronts.

[The Depressed]

Meh, leave it.

Don't leave it...I'm just about to upload. I'll edit this post with the YSI link when it's done.

EDIT - http://s9.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2757DEEG9EJVG3B25QA1LG4JHZ

Here ya go fellas. It's not the whole tracks, just the connections which could work live. Not that the discord of This Dying Soul and The Root Of All Evil are actually different!

I would have put all 3 tracks running into another on here, but that's like a 30 minute audio track, and even at 64kbps, it's still a 15 meg file which I can't be arsed to upload. Maybe another day.

[Mr Benners]

You absolute legend. That is EXACTLY what I was talking about.

:thumb:

Expertly done too.

[BlindWriting]

Don't leave it...I'm just about to upload. I'll edit this post with the YSI link when it's done.

EDIT - http://s9.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2757DEEG9EJVG3B25QA1LG4JHZ

Here ya go fellas. It's not the whole tracks, just the connections which could work live. Not that the discord of This Dying Soul and The Root Of All Evil are actually different!

I would have put all 3 tracks running into another on here, but that's like a 30 minute audio track, and even at 64kbps, it's still a 15 meg file which I can't be arsed to upload. Maybe another day.
Very nice work, dude.

[thebigyin]

I think I might have just signed my own death warrant on the Metallica thread :p

Quote:
Originally Posted by hetfieldfan86
So...nobody has heard of this DVD i speak of?? "METALLICA: a year and half in the life of" And by the way, MetallicA is definitely better than Dream Theater. I mean c'mon they influenced Dream Theater! METALLICA are imo, the greatest heavy metal band ever. The fact is the redifined the genre and took it to a whole nother level w/ heavier, faster riffs, vocal grit and versatility...and more stability than most bands can compare to....and to all you Megadeth fans out there(not say i'm not a fan) name one tune by Mustaine that rocks as hard and fast as Battery!..yeah exactly.



I'd have to agree with Digital Love on that one

Metallica is NOT definitely better than Dream Theater. In fact, let's just turn that around a bit, and the truth will be told: Metallica is DEFINITELY NOT better than Dram Theater. I'd like to see Lars keep up with Portnoy's playing. Kirk and Robert are fast; James is great at what he does (solid rhythm playing), but that's about it. Metallica is a great band, but technically, they can't touch Dream Theater. The DT level of ability (playing AND songwriting-wise) is just way above 'Tallica.

[the2stranger]

Don't leave it...I'm just about to upload. I'll edit this post with the YSI link when it's done.

EDIT - http://s9.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2757DEEG9EJVG3B25QA1LG4JHZ

Here ya go fellas. It's not the whole tracks, just the connections which could work live. Not that the discord of This Dying Soul and The Root Of All Evil are actually different!

I would have put all 3 tracks running into another on here, but that's like a 30 minute audio track, and even at 64kbps, it's still a 15 meg file which I can't be arsed to upload. Maybe another day.

great job :thumb:
thanks for that

[thebigyin]

Don't leave it...I'm just about to upload. I'll edit this post with the YSI link when it's done.

EDIT - http://s9.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2757DEEG9EJVG3B25QA1LG4JHZ

Here ya go fellas. It's not the whole tracks, just the connections which could work live. Not that the discord of This Dying Soul and The Root Of All Evil are actually different!

I would have put all 3 tracks running into another on here, but that's like a 30 minute audio track, and even at 64kbps, it's still a 15 meg file which I can't be arsed to upload. Maybe another day.

Yeah, about those discords.

I always have preferred to learn everything (no matter what musical instrument I'm playing) by ear. However, the one thing that I can never seem to work out myself is those kinda discords. WHY THE HELL IS THAT?!?!?! :angry: They sound great, but are confusing to the ear.

[thebigyin]

And by the way, if anybody can be bothered, the Metallica thread is hilarious :D

[RiceMonster]

And by the way, if anybody can be bothered, the Metallica thread is hilarious :D
Yes it is. Not even the regulars are sticking up for Metallica. :lol:

[3rdplanet]

people people peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepole!

NEW DREAM THEATER DATE! CIVIC HALL! WOLVERHAMPTON!

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!

http://dreamtheater.net/tourdates.php#euro2005

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I SHALL SEE THEM!

[MAthiAS]

Yes it is. Not even the regulars are sticking up for Metallica. :lol:
Really? *runs to metallica thread*

[Ad Absurdum]

people people peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepole!

NEW DREAM THEATER DATE! CIVIC HALL! WOLVERHAMPTON!

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!

http://dreamtheater.net/tourdates.php#euro2005

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I SHALL SEE THEM!

I SHALL (hopefully) SEE THEM THREE TIMES!!!! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH

[Ad Absurdum]

Yeah, about those discords.

I always have preferred to learn everything (no matter what musical instrument I'm playing) by ear. However, the one thing that I can never seem to work out myself is those kinda discords. WHY THE HELL IS THAT?!?!?! :angry: They sound great, but are confusing to the ear.

I can't remember the one from 'This Dying Soul', but the ones at the start of 'The Root of All Evil' are just tritones (diminished fifths).

Eb|----
Bb|-5--
Gb|-3--
Db|----
Ab|----
Eb|----

[3rdplanet]

I SHALL (hopefully) SEE THEM THREE TIMES!!!! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH

YOU MEAN YOU WILL GO SEE THEM AT EVERY DATE IN ENGLAND???

'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE \M/

[Ad Absurdum]

YOU MEAN YOU WILL GO SEE THEM AT EVERY DATE IN ENGLAND???

'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE \M/

IF I CAN AFFORD IT!!!!11

[nowitzki]

people people peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepole!

NEW DREAM THEATER DATE! CIVIC HALL! WOLVERHAMPTON!

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!

http://dreamtheater.net/tourdates.php#euro2005

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I SHALL SEE THEM!


Dammit, I already bought tickets for London because I thought they were the only dates they were doing. Wolverhampton would have been much easier to get to. :angry:

Unless I go and see them 3 times..... hmmmm - my heart says yes but my bank account says no...

[Prince of Darkness]

If I could I would see DT ANYDAY!!!!!

---- Off topic -----

Is it just me, or does Never Enough sound EXACTLY like Hysteria bt MUSE, or any muse song???? LaBrie rips Bellamy's voice so badly. He sucks.
And Intro to Octavarium is copy from Shine on ya crazy diamond by PINK FLOYD. they do like to copy from others dont they........tut tut.....
Still love 'em though.

[nowitzki]

Panic Attack and Never Enough do sound very heavily Muse influenced. MP is a huge Muse fan, he said last year that Absolution was his favourite album of the last decade.

[Triangle]

Portnoy did. Never Enough sounds exactly like Stockholm Syndrone to me. A big rip off.

[Ad Absurdum]

Yeah, I had heard people saying they were similar before I bought the album, and when I heard 'Panic Attack' it sounded a bit like 'Stockholm Syndrome' and I thought that was it. Then came 'Never Enough', with exactly the same riff as 'Hysteria'! Also, I thought that the clean parts at the start of 'Sacrificed Sons' sounded like 'Sing For Absolution', the vocal melody sounds similar.

[red barchetta]

'never enough' has the same feel as 'stockholm syndrome'. the verse sounds very similar, they both use a similar key, they are both in drop-D tuning, and the structure is similar too.

labrie does do a matt bellamy rip-off vocal style in Panic attack - the bit where it goes 'run, try to hide, overwhelmed, by this complex delirium'

[Lord of Sword]

people people peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepole!

NEW DREAM THEATER DATE! CIVIC HALL! WOLVERHAMPTON!

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!

http://dreamtheater.net/tourdates.php#euro2005

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I SHALL SEE THEM!


I'm booking as soon as they go on sale, I've been checking the site every day for new dates. So I'll be seeing Vai on the 20th, and DT on the 26th, both at the same venue.

[National chaos sam]

Id love DT to do an album comprising of final fantasys music. that would rock, and they would do it perfectly..

I can just imagine listening to the mako reactor theme, and barrets theme tune. the softer ones like interrupted by fireweorks and tifas theme would rock too.

[Happy]

Id love DT to do an album comprising of final fantasys music. that would rock, and they would do it perfectly..

I can just imagine listening to the mako reactor theme, and barrets theme tune. the softer ones like interrupted by fireweorks and tifas theme would rock too.
I think that'd be pretty cool but i think there's already a band that goes around playing FF music.

[MAthiAS]

I can just imagine listening to the mako reactor theme, and barrets theme tune. the softer ones like interrupted by fireweorks and tifas theme would rock too.
Tifa's theme reminds me of Space Dye Vest. Or the other way around. Something like that.

[ytsedrummer]

Has anybody heard about the Scenes From A Memory play?

In November it is being perfromed. I'm not sure where though.

A DVD release of it is in talks.

[nowitzki]

Has anybody heard about the Scenes From A Memory play?

No, where did you hear this?

[slappindabass]

Has anybody heard about the Scenes From A Memory play?

In November it is being perfromed. I'm not sure where though.

A DVD release of it is in talks.

That's going to be gay. It's a good story line and all, but Dream Theater being associated with a play, I just can't see that.

[ytsedrummer]

Its official. I saw it on the Dream Theater message board. A link is put up for the theatre's official website and everything. They say its official.

[MatthewMeredith]

This has probably been discussed before, but, the best songs in Portnoy's song trilogy are, from favorite to least:
The Glass Prison > This Dying Soul > The Root Of All Evil.

Too bad they get progressively less good, but what's really interesting is listening to all three of them in a row. Pretty mind blowing.


Aren't "This Dying Soul" and "The Root Of All Evil" more parts added on to "The Glass Prison"? I heard that from a buddy of mine, and you can even hear the similar lyrics in both, but I need verification :p

[Ad Absurdum]

Aren't "This Dying Soul" and "The Root Of All Evil" more parts added on to "The Glass Prison"? I heard that from a buddy of mine, and you can even hear the similar lyrics in both, but I need verification :p

Yep, it was an idea of Mike's to write about the twelve stages of over coming alcohol addiction. These three songs are all about it.

[MatthewMeredith]

anyone gona chekc out gigantour?



I live in Nanaimo, British Columbia (yes, thats in Canada eh) and I got super pumped when I found out that they're playing in Seattle (just south of the border) and when I asked my dad, I got a big fat no. He said I can't go because it's in Seattle. What is up with that? It's a ferry ride, a bus across the border, and then into Seattle. Christ you'd think I was going to Pakistan to see some sort of Pakistani death metal band :confused: . Anyways, I'm still trying to talk him into letting me go, and :chug: to anyone else who's going! :thumb:

[MatthewMeredith]

Yep, it was an idea of Mike's to write about the twelve stages of over coming alcohol addiction. These three songs are all about it.


Hahaha thats awesome! Those are probably my favorite DT songs aswell. I don't know if this is already out there, but I wan't to own a pub and call it "The Thirteenth Step"

[Prince of Darkness]

Have you seen in the Booklet of Octavarium, 'The Root of All Evil' has 2 parts in it, numbered, VI and VII? But The song Octavarium has 5 parts, starting at I and ending at V, see what I mean? Octavarium ends to the start of Root of all Evil! Thats sooo Pink Floyd!

[Firecracker]

Ideal set-list for "An Evening In With Dream Theater" in October.
It had to be in October, with the 'Oct' thing going on. (Octavarium)


The Root Of All Evil
Pull Me Under
The Great Debate
6:00
These Walls
Metropolis Pt. 1
Panic Attack
Endless Sacrifice
Under A Glass Moon
Fatal Tragedy
In The Name Of God
Wait For Sleep
Take The Time
Octavarium

[hallowed_ironmaiden]

good set list, but Pull ME Under, in my opinion, always has to be last for an encore

[Happy]

Ideal set-list for "An Evening In With Dream Theater" in October.
It had to be in October, with the 'Oct' thing going on. (Octavarium)


The Root Of All Evil
Pull Me Under
The Great Debate
6:00
These Walls
Metropolis Pt. 1
Panic Attack
Endless Sacrifice
Under A Glass Moon
Fatal Tragedy
In The Name Of God
Wait For Sleep
Take The Time
Octavarium
I'd like to see them play SOC and Beyond this life.

[red barchetta]

Have you seen in the Booklet of Octavarium, 'The Root of All Evil' has 2 parts in it, numbered, VI and VII? But The song Octavarium has 5 parts, starting at I and ending at V, see what I mean? Octavarium ends to the start of Root of all Evil! Thats sooo Pink Floyd!
the root of all evil is the sequal to the glass prison and this dying soul. if you look at 6DOIT's and ToT's booklets, the two songs are also labeled: the glass prison is labelled I - III (there are 3 sections), this dying soul is labelled IV - V (there are 2 sections), and thats where the root of all evil comes in, from section VI.

Octavarium just happens to have 5 sections.

[Prince of Darkness]

Oh. I didn't buy Tot and 6DOIT, so I wouldn't have known. thanks.

[botchla]

YAAAAAAAAAAAS DREAM THEATER THREAD!!!

Mon the portnoy.

[3rdplanet]

^ Do you happen to like Biffy Clyro?

[trev913]

Ideal set-list for "An Evening In With Dream Theater" in October.
It had to be in October, with the 'Oct' thing going on. (Octavarium)


The Root Of All Evil
Pull Me Under
The Great Debate
6:00
These Walls
Metropolis Pt. 1
Panic Attack
Endless Sacrifice
Under A Glass Moon
Fatal Tragedy
In The Name Of God
Wait For Sleep
Take The Time
Octavarium

I think Panic Attack should go last, when they unveil an orchestra. heh

[Happy]

I think Panic Attack should go last, when they unveil an orchestra. heh
Dude, Jordan's keyboard is basically an orchestra.

[GenuineImitation]

Oh. I didn't buy Tot and 6DOIT, so I wouldn't have known. thanks.


I would check those out, they are good cds.

[slappindabass]

Dude, Jordan's keyboard is basically an orchestra.

Yeh I don't know why they would need an orchestra.

[Ad Absurdum]

Ideal set-list for "An Evening In With Dream Theater" in October.
It had to be in October, with the 'Oct' thing going on. (Octavarium)


The Root Of All Evil
Pull Me Under
The Great Debate
6:00
These Walls
Metropolis Pt. 1
Panic Attack
Endless Sacrifice
Under A Glass Moon
Fatal Tragedy
In The Name Of God
Wait For Sleep
Take The Time
Octavarium

Nice list, mine would be:

'The Glass Prison'
'This Dying Soul'
'The Root of All Evil'
'Fatal Tragedy'
'Hollow Years'
'Octavarium'

*Interlude*

'Under A Glass Moon'
'Scarred'
'Blind Faith'
'Home'
'Stream of Consciousness'
'In the Name of God'

*Encore*
'Pull Me Under'
'Metropolis Part One'

Probably be long as hell, but I'd love to see it.

[horseypie]

who cares if its long.......ITS DREAM THEATER FOR ****S SAKE!

[Chu]

Nice list, mine would be:

'The Glass Prison'
'This Dying Soul'
'The Root of All Evil'
'Fatal Tragedy'
'Hollow Years'
'Octavarium'

*Interlude*

'Under A Glass Moon'
'Scarred'
'Blind Faith'
'Home'
'Stream of Consciousness'
'In the Name of God'

*Encore*
'Pull Me Under'
'Metropolis Part One'

Probably be long as hell, but I'd love to see it.
That would be pretty cool...

[mprules]

Nice list, mine would be:

'The Glass Prison'
'This Dying Soul'
'The Root of All Evil'
'Fatal Tragedy'
'Hollow Years'
'Octavarium'

*Interlude*

'Under A Glass Moon'
'Scarred'
'Blind Faith'
'Home'
'Stream of Consciousness'
'In the Name of God'

*Encore*
'Pull Me Under'
'Metropolis Part One'

Probably be long as hell, but I'd love to see it.

the AA series is just so good now

flag in the name of god and stream of consciousness.. play ACOS, and i also would like panic attack :)

[ytsedrummer]

The Root Of All Evil
The Answer Lies Within
These Walls
Stream Of Consiousness
Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
Guitar Solo
Overture 1928
Strange Deja Vu
Caught In A Web
The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
Only A Matter Of Time

INTERMISSION

Surrounded
The Test That Stumped Them All
Trial Of Tears
Panic Attack
The Mirror
The Dance of Eternity
Another Day
A Change Of Seasons

ENCORE

Ovtavarium

That's one hell of a good show.

[Triangle]

That's going to be gay. It's a good story line and all, but Dream Theater being associated with a play, I just can't see that.
Yeah I heard that too. Tis gona suck :(

[thebigyin]

If I could I would see DT ANYDAY!!!!!

---- Off topic -----

Is it just me, or does Never Enough sound EXACTLY like Hysteria bt MUSE, or any muse song???? LaBrie rips Bellamy's voice so badly. He sucks.
And Intro to Octavarium is copy from Shine on ya crazy diamond by PINK FLOYD. they do like to copy from others dont they........tut tut.....
Still love 'em though.

Yeah..... listen to the guitar as well..... STOCKHOLM SYNDROME!!!! Also, "I Walk Beside You".... U2 or what?!?!

[Happy]

Yeah..... listen to the guitar as well..... STOCKHOLM SYNDROME!!!! Also, "I Walk Beside You".... U2 or what?!?!
The fact it's supposed to sound like Muse doesn't bother me, I love Muse.

[MAthiAS]

Also, "I Walk Beside You".... U2 or what?!?!
My thoughts exactly.

[\m/-CHeV-\m/]

The first song i heard was Lines in the Sand (LIVE :D with the videoclip) and i absolutely loved it.. i think it's even better than the original song..

[Follow The Reaper]

Check out this drum solo by the Dream Theater drummer, it's wicked awesome!

http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3C7Y8ZLOC5WMQ05AVP1VRQ5FNZ

[Lord of Sword]

...
Surrounded
The Mirror
Another Day
...

Well with James singing those it'd certainly be an interesting show. Although his voice live does seem to be getting a lot better. I've got the Arrow Rock Festival bootleg and he's perfect for almost the whole gig, and there are some fairly hard songs in there like Metropolis and Learning to Live.

I'm going to see them on the 26th of October anyway, 3 rows back, I don't really have any preference as to what they play though.

[MAthiAS]

Check out this drum solo by the Dream Theater drummer, it's wicked awesome!

http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3C7Y8ZLOC5WMQ05AVP1VRQ5FNZ
OH MY GOD HE STOLE LARS' SNARE!

[LifeofMusic]

so i am going to see DT live soon. I love DT but have never seen them live and was wondering how they are.

[Cain]

That drum solo was impressive but very boring. Neil Peart's solos have spoiled me. :)

Portnoy just sounds so schizophrenic. Peart at least modulates around a really sick beat.

[MAthiAS]

I agree that was really boring, and not all that impressive IMO. It was like a Joey Jordison solo with better playing and slightly less repetition.

[Huber]

The clips of Portnoy on www.drummerworld.com are awesome.

[ytsedrummer]

Yeah good video.

[Ill Mitch]

I just won this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4747968488&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6). Go ahead, be jealous.

[Chu]

I just won this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4747968488&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6). Go ahead, be jealous.
Why did Petrucci cut his hair? :x

[horseypie]

cuz he looks cooler with it short

[Happy]

I think he'd look cooler without that goatee thing he's got. Unless he shaved it off.

[Werny]

I purchased Octavarium.

Besides Panic Attack, all of the songs are horrible, commercial, stinking turds. The only good thing about the album besides Panic Attack is the intro to Root Of All Evil, it prepares you for another awesome, heavy segment in the AA saga yet it turns into a horrible pop rock song. *cough* sell outs *cough*

I still have Train of Thought to love.

[the2stranger]

cuz he looks cooler with it short


I think he looks like your average football dad :(
the huge fluffy hair suited him way better IMO

[MAthiAS]

I purchased Octavarium.

Besides Panic Attack, all of the songs are horrible, commercial, stinking turds. The only good thing about the album besides Panic Attack is the intro to Root Of All Evil, it prepares you for another awesome, heavy segment in the AA saga yet it turns into a horrible pop rock song. *cough* sell outs *cough*

I still have Train of Thought to love.
Octavarium > Train of Thought

Panic Attack is IMO not that great a song. Sacrificed Sons, 8vm, and These Walls are definitely the best songs on the album... though These Walls is far from perfect.
I think he looks like your average football dad
the huge fluffy hair suited him way better IMO
Agreed. If you didn't know him you wouldn't expect him to touch a guitar with a ten foot poll.

[Chu]

If you didn't know him you wouldn't expect him to touch a guitar with a ten foot poll.
lol

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I purchased Octavarium.

Besides Panic Attack, all of the songs are horrible, commercial, stinking turds. The only good thing about the album besides Panic Attack is the intro to Root Of All Evil, it prepares you for another awesome, heavy segment in the AA saga yet it turns into a horrible pop rock song. *cough* sell outs *cough*

I still have Train of Thought to love.

hmmm, well let's see:

1. Panic Attack is mediocre at best. The rediculously trite lyrics don't help the song either. Labrie's Bellamy impersonation is annoying and pointless. The song is a numetal song and if you think that's real DT than you should stop listening now.

2. You call the Root Of All Evil a pop rock song? Well atleast it doesn't have the infamous rapping in This Dying Soul.

3. If you think they have never writen a "pop rock" song before, than do yourself a favor and listen to "Another Day" or "Lifting Shadows Off A Dream" or "Through Her Eyes." They're all pop rock songs. In fact, Through Her Eyes is even more so an R&B-Pop song. So, don't complain about Octavarium having "pop rock" songs when they've already written many and it is part of their style.

4. Do you even know what a sell out is?

[MAthiAS]

3. If you think they have never writen a "pop rock" song before, than do yourself a favor and listen to "Another Day" or "Lifting Shadows Off A Dream" or "Through Her Eyes." They're all pop rock songs. In fact, Through Her Eyes is even more so an R&B-Pop song. So, don't complain about Octavarium having "pop rock" songs when they've already written many and it is part of their style.
I agree. I quite like the songs you mentioned, but the ones they wrote for 8vm were incredibly bad.

[hallowed_ironmaiden]

I disagree. Octavarium wasn't all that bad. Sure, it isn't my favorite, but there still some okay songs on it. It sort of grows on you

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I agree. I quite like the songs you mentioned, but the ones they wrote for 8vm were incredibly bad.

Yeah, I Walk Beside You is quite poor. I think the Answer Lies Within is alright. It's not a bad song, but there isn't much to it.

[MAthiAS]

The Answer Lies Within is an awful attempt to recreate Another day.

I Walk Beside You... I can't hate that song enough.

[Chu]

I love Awake, that is all.
I really didn't appreciate this album enough when I got it.
I thought Train of Thought was their best attempt at heavyness... Whoa...

[mysticalpotatohead]

i found this file on ares...you might be able to find it on kazaa or such, its called octavarium, its not 8v...but this song...is just amazing...sounds like dream theater, complete 12 min instrumental. its not real drums though...and i know its not on any of DT's albums. could someone tell me who it is? or what song?
if someone wants, i can send it you.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

The Answer Lies Within is an awful attempt to recreate Another day.

I Walk Beside You... I can't hate that song enough.

How does it sound anything at all like Another Day?

[nowitzki]

How does it sound anything at all like Another Day?

erm because it's a pop-rock ballad perhaps?

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Except that TALW doesn't have any rock to it at all. It's more of just a pop ballad. Another Day has distortion guitars and a solo.

[Chu]

What happened to James' voice? At first listen I never though much of his vocals on Awake, but I've been listenning to it quite a bit recently, his vocals are very good. (Better then any other album I think, although there are 2 I haven't heard).

Does anyone else feel this way?

[red barchetta]

What happened to James' voice? At first listen I never though much of his vocals on Awake, but I've been listenning to it quite a bit recently, his vocals are very good. (Better then any other album I think, although there are 2 I haven't heard).

Does anyone else feel this way?
his vocals on Octavarium are brilliant, maybe because he doesnt do any 'WHOAAAAAAAA's in a really high pitch. he supposedly damaged his voice sometime, but it seemed to have brought the best of him :p

[ElectricalStorm]

yeah he damaged his vocal chords soon after awake if I remember correctly...

[MAthiAS]

Another Day has distortion guitars and a solo.
Cheesefest saxiphone :thumb:

[The Depressed]

i found this file on ares...you might be able to find it on kazaa or such, its called octavarium, its not 8v...but this song...is just amazing...sounds like dream theater, complete 12 min instrumental. its not real drums though...and i know its not on any of DT's albums. could someone tell me who it is? or what song?
if someone wants, i can send it you.

I think it's by a band called Acid Rain. It is definitely a take on Stream Of Conciousness using the songwriting charts supplied by DT themselves for the Songwriting Contest before TOT came out. Compare the structures yourselves!

[mysticalpotatohead]

so whats the real name of the song? and are the other instruments programmed like the drums? the song sounds so much like DT!

[Fluffybunny]

Octavarium is DTs newest album along with their 8th song on the album which lasts exactly 24 minutes. It has a slow, rather boring beginning, but once it gets going DT throws all they have into it. Octavarium, is as DT says themselves tuned down compared to TOT. Drumming is not as spectacular, but still amazing. The album is a lot more melodic than TOT, which is nice of course. I bought the CD with 2 friends and we listened to it on the way home in my friends dads car, with the base up. THe 1st song, THe root of all evil blew us away. THe build up is amazing, really gets the adranaline pumping. As far as my fave album i cant really say. TOT is absoluty amazing, great drumming, just fantastic stuff. 6DOIT is also amazing, more melodic than TOT. LaBries vocals are amazing in Misunderstood. the song 6DOIT itself shows a completely different side of DT. Change of Seasonswas my first DT CD i bought. The guitar build up is amazing, and is by far the best guitar build up DT has. Once those drums got going DT just grabbed hold of me. THeir cover of Deep Purple's Perfect Strangers is amazing, even though Portnoy does not follow Ian's drum beat, and sticks to a basic ac/dc beat. The guitar solo they added is one of my faves. I bought Images and Words last week and i love the drumming in the album, and its so beautifully melodic. Its just such a change from their new stuff. I never listened to one album over and over again of theirs, i keep switiching from one to another, even listening to all the DTs albums i have in one day. I have Portnoys Liquid Tensiondrumming DVD, which hugely motivates me to play more drums. DT is my joint fave band along with Iron Maiden, which im listening to right at this moment as i am typing. "The evil that men do lives on and on" ooooooooh ^^ DT are just amazing, and i feel sry for the people who are missing out on it


--

Havent done a spelling/grammer check on this thread. cant be arsed ^^

[the2stranger]

yeah he damaged his vocal chords soon after awake if I remember correctly...

indeed, but I think he's gotten his range back, I think Octovarium is his best work since I&W

[Fluffybunny]

Octavarium is the 1st time that LaBrie screams, which shows a whole new aspect of his vocal capabilities. He is amazing, but he does not have the power and stage energy of Bruce Dickinson, which is a shame. His voice is a lot softer than bruces, and he has a calming effect.

[epihasi]

Octavarium is the 1st time that LaBrie screams, which shows a whole new aspect of his vocal capabilities. He is amazing, but he does not have the power and stage energy of Bruce Dickinson, which is a shame. His voice is a lot softer than bruces, and he has a calming effect.

He screams??? How?
Is Octavarium any good?

[Fluffybunny]

Octavarium is definitely worth it. LaBrie screams in some parts of the songs, a sort of high pitched shriek. Quite cool, nothing you would expect from him, but thats what makes it all the better. Also John Myrung, the bassist, comes out more on this album than in others, with bass intros and solos and all that. :)

[Lord Abortion]

huzzah!

have just got my sweaty mitts on octavarium after 3 weeks waiting
review later :)

[hallowed_ironmaiden]

He screams??? How?
Is Octavarium any good?

If you are a pretty big DT fan, then you will like it. If you are a casual listener, probably not

[Chu]

I dunno, I've been trying to convince some mate's how good DT is since I got Scenes a few years ago, they hadn't been convinced, until I played them Octavarium (Which I found weird, I definately didn't see it as their best). They don't really like DT as a whole, there are just a few songs on this album they enjoy.

[MAthiAS]

If you are a pretty big DT fan, then you will like it. If you are a casual listener, probably not
I think its the opposite there. I'm a pretty big DT fan, and I don't like 8vm much...

[Triangle]

I kinda live 8v. I have on and off days, but it's still my least listened to DT album. On the other hand, songs such as 8V and Sacrificed Sons are mindblowing.

[hallowed_ironmaiden]

[QUOTE=MAthiAS]I think its the opposite there. I'm a pretty big DT fan, and I don't like 8vm much...[/QUO

I guess its all opinion then...

[Triangle]

I dunno, I've been trying to convince some mate's how good DT is since I got Scenes a few years ago, they hadn't been convinced, until I played them Octavarium (Which I found weird, I definately didn't see it as their best). They don't really like DT as a whole, there are just a few songs on this album they enjoy.
That's the same with the majority of my mates. They just get bored of the intrumental sections and go on about how the singer is annoying. Typical really.

[dimenwylde22]

who's favorite song is the glass prisom
you should like listening to a 13 min long song.
I love it though!!

[the2stranger]

Octavarium is the 1st time that LaBrie screams, which shows a whole new aspect of his vocal capabilities. He is amazing, but he does not have the power and stage energy of Bruce Dickinson, which is a shame. His voice is a lot softer than bruces, and he has a calming effect.


I find that scream stunning, amazing and just :eek:
LaBrie is so good on the entire album, but the title song is even more amazing.

the way he screams sounds quite scary to me, I didn't exspect that he could be so furious

[hallowed_ironmaiden]

who's favorite song is the glass prisom
you should like listening to a 13 min long song.
I love it though!!

That is a great song! :thumb:

[Agitator01]

Hello, I have recently ventured into the music of Dream Theater after hearing ''Pull me under''. I bought two CD's yesterday.

Scenes from a memory
&
Falling into infinity

Are there any specific CD's people favour by the band? Also where would the two CD's I purchased rank? Top/middle/bottom?? Thanks in advance.

[Aberrationbass]

Scenes from a memory is amazing and falling into infinity is quite good
train of thought,images and words,when dream and day unite are good to

[Agitator01]

I saw another CD in store yesterday, it was a double disk, 100 waves of inner Turbulance or something, it was £15.99, sounds pretty cool.

[Burdcheese]

Its 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence. Some great tracks, especially The Glass Prison.

[Chu]

Six Degrees of Inner turbulence is so awesome.
It's so well done, it has absolutely everything you would want from Dream Theater, well absolutely everything I want (Maybe could do with a few more heavy songs Awake style). I don't think there's one song on the album I don't love :thumb:

[nowitzki]

Hello, I have recently ventured into the music of Dream Theater after hearing ''Pull me under''. I bought two CD's yesterday.

Scenes from a memory
&
Falling into infinity

Are there any specific CD's people favour by the band? Also where would the two CD's I purchased rank? Top/middle/bottom?? Thanks in advance.

Well personally I'd say you've got their best album (SFAM) and their worst album (FII).

The next album to get would definatly have to be Images and Words, unless you want something heavier, in which case try Train of Thought. 6DIOT is also a good buy if that's all you can get hold of.

[Tails]

Well personally I'd say you've got their best album (SFAM) and their worst album (FII).

The next album to get would definatly have to be Images and Words, unless you want something heavier, in which case try Train of Thought. 6DIOT is also a good buy if that's all you can get hold of.

I think I'm the only person on here who likes Falling Into Infinity. :-/

As for album suggestions, I suggest Awake. You may not like it at first, but once it clicks with you, you will love it.

[nowitzki]

I think I'm the only person on here who likes Falling Into Infinity. :-/

It's not terrible, just not as good as any of the others.

[Killtacular]

Awake. I also really like Train of Thought and of course Images & Words. Don't care too much for Scenes from a Memory, though. Seems to drag on too long and get boring towards the middle.

[shane]

i like every dream theater album

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

Hi,

I'm new at this Dream Theater thing but I love them. I downloaded As I Am and loved it. I decided to download a couple of more songs off of Train Of Thought and also loved them. Anyway today I was at the music store and on the 2/$15 rack they had Awake. They also had Badmotorfinger by Soundgarden so I got both. I love what I've heard off of it so far. What are some other ones besides the ones I listed.

[Chu]

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Images & Words

Most people will probably say Scenes From a Memory...

[MAthiAS]

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Images & Words

Most people will probably say Scenes From a Memory...
123

I'm not that big on SFAM

It seems you liked ToT, pick that up too then...

[Agitator01]

I should have no trouble getting CD's I live in a small popular town, it has 6 major music stores on one street and I can order anything pretty much.. Also I have 3 record style shops that have Vinyls/Singles/Bootleg CD's/ Also Original CD's for cheaper...
Of course if I still cannot get it I have the internet :thumb:

[shamed-angel]

I think I'm the only person on here who likes Falling Into Infinity. :-/

As for album suggestions, I suggest Awake. You may not like it at first, but once it clicks with you, you will love it.
I think Falling into Infinity is amazing. I think it's one of their best albums, very progressive and very majestic sounding in places. Most notably so, the end of Hell's Kitchen.

[ter2333]

I've had a weird Dream Theater occurance, and I'm hoping someone can shed some light on my dilemma. Here goes....

When an album comes out, most of the time I download a few songs and decide whether I like it or not. If I like what I hear, I'll go buy the album. So the day Octavarium came out, I downloaded all 8 songs from the album. I really liked it so just recently I went out and bought the album. Here's the dilemma.... The songs that I downloaded and the songs on the album are in no way the same. Completely different!

The songs that I downloaded are all labeled the same as the album tracks. I also know that these mystery songs that I downloaded are studio recorded and very recent. The songs are very heavy like Train of Thought, and La Brie's voice sounds very recent. I know they're new songs because I have all of DT's previous albums.

Can someone please tell me what I'm listening to!

Thanks.

[thunderzstruck]

As for album suggestions, I suggest Awake. You may not like it at first, but once it clicks with you, you will love it.


That's exactly what happened to me. I was expecting SFAM type album but got this, love it though

[thunderzstruck]

I've had a weird Dream Theater occurance, and I'm hoping someone can shed some light on my dilemma. Here goes....

When an album comes out, most of the time I download a few songs and decide whether I like it or not. If I like what I hear, I'll go buy the album. So the day Octavarium came out, I downloaded all 8 songs from the album. I really liked it so just recently I went out and bought the album. Here's the dilemma.... The songs that I downloaded and the songs on the album are in no way the same. Completely different!

The songs that I downloaded are all labeled the same as the album tracks. I also know that these mystery songs that I downloaded are studio recorded and very recent. The songs are very heavy like Train of Thought, and La Brie's voice sounds very recent. I know they're new songs because I have all of DT's previous albums.

Can someone please tell me what I'm listening to!

Thanks.



Jame's Labries solo album

[ter2333]

Jame's Labries solo album

Ahhh Thanks.

[ytsedrummer]

I should have no trouble getting CD's I live in a small popular town, it has 6 major music stores on one street and I can order anything pretty much.. Also I have 3 record style shops that have Vinyls/Singles/Bootleg CD's/ Also Original CD's for cheaper...
Of course if I still cannot get it I have the internet :thumb:

All Dream Theater kicks ***, so I would just pick up any album randomly.

A Change Of Seasons is amazing. Its an EP, check it out NOW!

[Blue Collar Man]

Does anyone know how long a Gigantour show lasts?

[hallowed_ironmaiden]

probably all day, like noon to nine at night or something

[vashts80]

It's about 7 hours if there's only one stage and they're going to have all the bands for both stages playing, so it'll probably go from 3PM till 10PM.

[MAthiAS]

Do you think they would play til midnight? Mine starts at 5 PM.

Actually I might miss the crappier 2nd stage bands.

[Mambuto_O'Mally]

I've had a weird Dream Theater occurance, and I'm hoping someone can shed some light on my dilemma. Here goes....

When an album comes out, most of the time I download a few songs and decide whether I like it or not. If I like what I hear, I'll go buy the album. So the day Octavarium came out, I downloaded all 8 songs from the album. I really liked it so just recently I went out and bought the album. Here's the dilemma.... The songs that I downloaded and the songs on the album are in no way the same. Completely different!

The songs that I downloaded are all labeled the same as the album tracks. I also know that these mystery songs that I downloaded are studio recorded and very recent. The songs are very heavy like Train of Thought, and La Brie's voice sounds very recent. I know they're new songs because I have all of DT's previous albums.

Can someone please tell me what I'm listening to!

Thanks.

Speaking of Octavarium, whats it like? Is it heavy like ToT or heavy but different like Awake or something completely different?

[Chu]

Hey, I got some money and am thinking of getting a Dream Theater DVD.. (Or do they only have one? :p)

And I'm wondering if say John Petrucci has an instructional guitar DVD? If so, is it worth it?

[MAthiAS]

Hey, I got some money and am thinking of getting a Dream Theater DVD.. (Or do they only have one? )

And I'm wondering if say John Petrucci has an instructional guitar DVD? If so, is it worth it?
They have a few DVDs. Live in Tokyo, Live Scenes from NY, Budokan... I've only seen Tokyo.

JP does have an instructional out called Rock Discipline. Many say its very good, I personally don't think its all that great. You can find it in 4 parts on Limewire if you don't want to blow the $50 on it, and its got a book form too.

Speaking of Octavarium, whats it like? Is it heavy like ToT or heavy but different like Awake or something completely different?
Some songs are heavy like ToT, overall the feel is more like SFAM in terms of heaviness.

[Chu]

They have a few DVDs. Live in Tokyo, Live Scenes from NY, Budokan... I've only seen Tokyo.

JP does have an instructional out called Rock Discipline. Many say its very good, I personally don't think its all that great. You can find it in 4 parts on Limewire if you don't want to blow the $50 on it, and its got a book form too.
Sick thanks.
I'll look for the download tonight, but I wanna buy a Live DVD, so which one do you guys think is the best?

I prefer Awake and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, so if either of the DVDs are for those tours, or just include alot from those albums, cool :)

[nowitzki]

Sick thanks.
I'll look for the download tonight, but I wanna buy a Live DVD, so which one do you guys think is the best?

I prefer Awake and Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, so if either of the DVDs are for those tours, or just include alot from those albums, cool :)

Live at Budokan is by far the best DVD in terms of quality. The show is shot and edited excellently. The set contains a large amount from Train of Thought and 6DIOT (although little from Awake), but I would reccomend that as being the best.

Live Scenes From New York has some excellent material on it, and is still great, but is very poorly edited, with lots of silly camera effects and cut scenes relating to the SFAM story. Also the DVD doesn't contain the full set of their performance, I'd recommend getting the live CD of the concert before the DVD.

The double disc set is also good. The Tokyo concert from the I&W tour is great, just to see how the band have evolved, and very entertaining seeing how they used to look like an 80s hair metal band (plus you get to see John Myung running round the stage and headbanging!)
The second disc is a montage of footage from between Awake and Falling Into Infinity. Some of the footage is quite good, others aren't so great. I'm not a huge fan of this era of DT so I didn't enjoy it as much as the others, but is still worth getting eventually.

[tehnick]

I think I'm the only person on here who likes Falling Into Infinity. :-/

As for album suggestions, I suggest Awake. You may not like it at first, but once it clicks with you, you will love it.

Tails who is that babe in your avatar?? sorry im sure you've been asked alot.

oh yeh and i just budokan and it is stunning... top 5 dvds i own

[Chu]

Live at Budokan is by far the best DVD in terms of quality. The show is shot and edited excellently. The set contains a large amount from Train of Thought and 6DIOT (although little from Awake), but I would reccomend that as being the best.

The double disc set is also good. The Tokyo concert from the I&W tour is great, just to see how the band have evolved, and very entertaining seeing how they used to look like an 80s hair metal band (plus you get to see John Myung running round the stage and headbanging!)
The second disc is a montage of footage from between Awake and Falling Into Infinity. Some of the footage is quite good, others aren't so great. I'm not a huge fan of this era of DT so I didn't enjoy it as much as the others, but is still worth getting eventually.
I have Live scenes Audio, but never realised they made a video of it (Makes sense though :p) I like the sound of Live at Buokan, but getting to see John Myung headbang is so tempting... :D

Edit: I'll look for them tomorrow, I'm pretty sure I can get Live at Budoken (From the talk about it here, it seems pretty common?)

[thunderzstruck]

Tails who is that babe in your avatar?? sorry im sure you've been asked alot.

oh yeh and i just budokan and it is stunning... top 5 dvds i own


next door nikki

[Mr. Black]

What are these guys, Heavy Metal?

[Mr. Black]

Was gonna buy a big 3 disc CD Today, but I Thought I'd consult here first before partin with ma cash.

[Chu]

Little bit of everything.
I think they're classes as progressive metal, but I think they do more progressive rock...
Awake, Train of Thought, A Change of Seasons, and maybe Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence are their heavier albums, in my opinion.
I might mention Images & Words here, I think it's pretty good. While definately not heavy, it has a metal-vibe I think.

Some people would say Scenes From a Memory though.. But meh, and Octavarium had/has potential, but in my mind something just doesn't click.

Not really sure about When Day and Dream Unite or Falling Into Infinity (Are they the names of the other albums? Or are there more?), meh, I listed only what I have heard and my opinion on them...

[Mr. Black]

ok thanks man

[JonG]

For starters on Dream Theater, either get SDOIT or Train of Thought. They happen to be the most heavier songs that DT has wrote, but they're all good. The first DT album I purchased was Awake, which has it's great elements to it, without Rudess :)

[MAthiAS]

Rudess is such a wanker.

[hallowed_ironmaiden]

Was gonna buy a big 3 disc CD Today, but I Thought I'd consult here first before partin with ma cash.

If you are into their heavier side, get train of thought

[Darkness]

I bought 6 Degrees a little while ago, and I love the first cd a lot. Every song on their is classic IMO. But man was I disappointed by the title track. I guess the music was ok(the thing I don't like is how it sounds so positive all the time when the other cd had more of a negative feel..), but man the lyrics were so bad and ruined it for me... I guess I was expecting something more like A Change In Seasons... oh well, the first cd is still great.

[red barchetta]

I bought 6 Degrees a little while ago, and I love the first cd a lot. Every song on their is classic IMO. But man was I disappointed by the title track. I guess the music was ok(the thing I don't like is how it sounds so positive all the time when the other cd had more of a negative feel..), but man the lyrics were so bad and ruined it for me... I guess I was expecting something more like A Change In Seasons... oh well, the first cd is still great.
yeah i was dissapointed with the song '6 degrees...'... especially in 'About to crash': ('I'm alive again, the darkness far behind me, i'm invincible, despair will never find me'). the way Labrie sings it makes you want to go 'STFU!!' :angry:

i liked the overture of the song though.

[Darkness]

Yeah the first part was pretty cool... but once the vocals come in, it just gets bad.

[jpshortstuff]

The best part of six degrees (song) is probably the Goodnight kiss solo.
The best part of the album is The Glass Prison

[Firecracker]

I was just listening to their version of "Oh Holy Night"
And i think i have never heard something more beautiful and spiritually awakening.

[hallowed_ironmaiden]

Has the Gigantour started yet? if so, was Dream Theater any good

[the2stranger]

yes, it has started, a few pages back there is a review someone did one gigantour, it sounded great to me :)

but I'll be seeing DT in the fall probably, and I;ve seen them a month ago, so :D

[Blue Collar Man]

I saw them last night and I was a little bit disapointed. Petrucci was turned up so loud that the speakers were overdriven. It hurt my ears on some notes and it drowned out the music. But if it was equalized better it would have been a flawless show. Hopefully they'll get it worked out for the other shows.

[Bazarov]

Seeing them in 3 more days. I only have the Scenes from a Memory CD. I need to go out and buy some more. They're a great band.

[frkn'loud]

I need help, my friend gave me a Dream Theatre song but it was named wrong. It says it's from Octavairum. Anyway, the first line is:

"Ohhh, Take me to the oceans white sands, Ohhh where i can catch(?) myself"

I really need to know what it's called.
Thanks

[One Groovin Clown]

I just revently bought mt first Dream Theater Cd. I bought Octavarium. I had heard good things about this band, (Tool forum). So i thought that i'd give them a try. I enjoy them, they're faster stuff i prefer, but they're slow songs are less apealing to me, even though i'm much mroe for slower songs. Overall i give them 2 thumbs up :thumb: :thumb: and i'll be looking into getting more of their Cd's.

[christonastick]

I've had a weird Dream Theater occurance, and I'm hoping someone can shed some light on my dilemma. Here goes....

When an album comes out, most of the time I download a few songs and decide whether I like it or not. If I like what I hear, I'll go buy the album. So the day Octavarium came out, I downloaded all 8 songs from the album. I really liked it so just recently I went out and bought the album. Here's the dilemma.... The songs that I downloaded and the songs on the album are in no way the same. Completely different!

The songs that I downloaded are all labeled the same as the album tracks. I also know that these mystery songs that I downloaded are studio recorded and very recent. The songs are very heavy like Train of Thought, and La Brie's voice sounds very recent. I know they're new songs because I have all of DT's previous albums. If you want to hear them they are on the Limewire P2P program, just search for Dream Theater or Octavarium, and they are labeled as the songs from Octavarium.

Can someone please tell me what I'm listening to!

Thanks.

I know what you're talking about, I got the same songs you have off Limewire a while back and recently discovered that they arent in fact from Octavarium or any other DT album. I am in the process of transcribing the lyrics to them and I was going to make a post about my find. I will still post the transcribed lyrics if anyone wants to check them out. You are right about them sounding more like Train of Thought and I wonder if they were supposed to be on it but got cut from the list. I dont think they are from any kind of new unreleased album they recorded for obvious reasons (the release of the actual Octavarium only a few months ago and they are currently on tour supporting it). Ironically I think these mystery songs are better than what I have heard from the actual album and I was really stoked about getting this awesome new DT release, that is, until I found out what Octavarium actually sounds like.

[mprules]

its just james labries latest solo album, its old news

and its a crappy album, far too numetalish for my liking, but im kinda dissapointed with a few songs from octavarium, but the root of all evil, these walls, panic attack and octavarium are all really good, so they do the album justice

[shamed-angel]

Can anyone tell me what they think of my review of ToT?

Dream Theater- Train of Thought.
-------
Dream Theater, whilst remaining first and foremost a very progressive band, released this album in October 2003. It is their heaviest work to date and is very guitar orientated. But Jordan Rudess's keyboard work on the album is awesome. While this is true, the real god on this album is John Petrucci. His guitar skills are reallty shown off on this album, every song has a blazing solo, which will disloacate even the most virtuositic of jaws. As I Am, the opener, is a brilliant opener to a brilliant album, with it's catchy chorus and rapped bridge, before Petrucci rips into a mind boggling solo. Before This Dying Soul's Machine Head style double bass intro, before the instrument section, which like every other on this album, will astonish you. Vacant is an affecting ballad in the style of such earlier Dream Theater songs as Wait for Sleep or Disappear. A quick warning to all guitarists. One listen to this album will make you realise what a clueless, fat-fingered dunce you really are. Sorry!
Cheers! :thumb:

[jpshortstuff]

Can anyone tell me what they think of my review of ToT?

thats pretty accurate and i like your ending

[shamed-angel]

thats pretty accurate and i like your ending
Cheers man. Anyone else got any pointers?

I know what you're talking about, I got the same songs you have off Limewire a while back and recently discovered that they arent in fact from Octavarium or any other DT album. I am in the process of transcribing the lyrics to them and I was going to make a post about my find. I will still post the transcribed lyrics if anyone wants to check them out. You are right about them sounding more like Train of Thought and I wonder if they were supposed to be on it but got cut from the list. I dont think they are from any kind of new unreleased album they recorded for obvious reasons (the release of the actual Octavarium only a few months ago and they are currently on tour supporting it). Ironically I think these mystery songs are better than what I have heard from the actual album and I was really stoked about getting this awesome new DT release, that is, until I found out what Octavarium actually sounds like.
Buy 'Elements of Persuasion" The latest James LaBrie album. You know it's rocking!

Sick 'n' **** aii dawg!

[Firecracker]

Jordan Rudess - Secrets Of The Muse

Anyone have it? If you do, do you love it as much as me?
It's too good to be true.

[shamed-angel]

The Rudess Morganstein Project albums are awesome. I havent heard that but have all his albums with Dixie and they're awesome.

[The Moor]

Jordan Rudess - Secrets Of The Muse

Anyone have it? If you do, do you love it as much as me?
It's too good to be true.

I haven't heard it but if you upload a song it might just convince me to buy it :)

[christonastick]

its just james labries latest solo album, its old news

and its a crappy album, far too numetalish for my liking, but im kinda dissapointed with a few songs from octavarium, but the root of all evil, these walls, panic attack and octavarium are all really good, so they do the album justice

I totally disagree. I never expected anything of this quality to come from James Labrie. I think it is much better than Octavarium (oh how I hate to say it) and I may even buy it.

[shamed-angel]

I've always thought of him as DT's weakest link, musicianship wise. But this album holds itself really well. I bought it and I think it's really ****ing good.

[the2stranger]

I've always thought of him as DT's weakest link, musicianship wise. But this album holds itself really well. I bought it and I think it's really ****ing good.


are you talking about LaBrie?
I always have trouble to decide who's the weakest link in the band.
it might be LaBrie, but take in consideration:
LaBrie is the voice of Dream Theater, how annoying some people may think he is, he has been the voice for ten+ years.
( I know charli did vocals on the first album though)
2nd: LaBrie has some great talent, he has a great voice, and fits in with the band, such a progressive band needs a vocalsist who can be progressive in his vocalstyle and rgnge too, that LaBrie (although there are quite a few good prog vocalits)

the only thing that bothers me about LaBrie is
his breath control, sometimes his, how do I say that.....well the breath he takes just before he starts singing a line annoys me.
but than again, it is his trademark.
2nd: he submitts so little yo the band, he hardly writes any lyrics, and songwriting isn't his thing either.


but I love him just the same.

[Lord Abortion]

I apologise if this was late but DT are playing wolverhampton as their extra UK tour date- not manchester- looks like it'll have to be the next tour I see them on... :(

[thunderzstruck]

Is Pull Me Under supposed to stop so suddenly?

[Happy]

Is Pull Me Under supposed to stop so suddenly?
Yeah, apparently its supposed to signify how sudden death can be.

[thunderzstruck]

oh, ok then...

[shamed-angel]

are you talking about LaBrie?
I always have trouble to decide who's the weakest link in the band.
it might be LaBrie, but take in consideration:
LaBrie is the voice of Dream Theater, how annoying some people may think he is, he has been the voice for ten+ years.
( I know charli did vocals on the first album though)
2nd: LaBrie has some great talent, he has a great voice, and fits in with the band, such a progressive band needs a vocalsist who can be progressive in his vocalstyle and rgnge too, that LaBrie (although there are quite a few good prog vocalits)

the only thing that bothers me about LaBrie is
his breath control, sometimes his, how do I say that.....well the breath he takes just before he starts singing a line annoys me.
but than again, it is his trademark.
2nd: he submitts so little yo the band, he hardly writes any lyrics, and songwriting isn't his thing either.


but I love him just the same.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's an amazing singer and perfect for the band. But I just think that he gives the least to DT, in terms of songs and in terms of talent. Most of his vocal melodies are written for him. I love his vocal control in Part III of Change of Seasons "Carpe Diem" You know the "We can learn from the past. But those days are gone." That always gioves me chills. He has definately given alot to the band but I just think he's the weakest link in the band.

[the2stranger]

^
I think I agree with you, if only he wrote the lyrics, and made his own vocal lines.
I do think his voice on octovarium is the best since I&W :)