Dream Theater

[Happy]

Your favourite out of them?

Beyond This Life

[clearvision]

17:50 on octavarium

Petrucci wastes an amazing lead lick, by not repeating it.

:upset:

thoughts?

[3rdplanet]

Not sure, will have to give it some more listens.

Do you think Dream Theater have been listening to Soilwork?

'These Walls' intro sounds just like a mellower Soilwork moment.

Love it.

[Triangle]

17:50 on octavarium

Petrucci wastes an amazing lead lick, by not repeating it.

:upset:

thoughts?
That's great that part! The band does keep a variation of it going about 10 secs later though. That's currently my fav DT song. :cool:

[Happy]

It's so tempting to download octavarium, but i promised not to because i don't want to spoil the suprise.

[the2stranger]

I agree.
I want to to hear it right now.
I didn't think they would give us such a agreat album, but hearing all these comments :p

[static]

are you guys really thinkin bout the cover thread? 'been viewing this thread for a while now, and i know almost any DT song on teh DrUmS, home easily being my favorite and most skilled at. think about it bitches

[TojesDolan]

Ok I can only offer playing YTSE jam, because I'd suck big time doing anything else. cheers.

EDIT: on my guitar, BTW.

[trev913]

So I watched the Live at Budokan DVD last evening. The setlist could have been wayyy better in my opinion. Something similar to LSFNY would have been really great. Anyone agree?

[Moses]

are you guys really thinkin bout the cover thread? 'been viewing this thread for a while now, and i know almost any DT song on teh DrUmS, home easily being my favorite and most skilled at. think about it bitches
Good luck finding a keyboardist.

I could definately do keys but I'm doing vocals in the Tool one most likely.

[static]

cant you do both?

: pathetic:

[trev913]

Yeah, an ivory-tickler might be hard to find, especially one with finesse NEAR that of JR.

[JamieSomething]

as far as things from DT I can play..
Metropolis Pt. 1(minus a few things, from start to some point in the middle, about 4-5 minutes of it)
Home(no solo, no outro)
Beyond This Life(none of the leads)
and..currently working on YTSE Jam :D
oh..and War Inside My Head
oh guitar..that is

but..seriously..a cover thread of people's takes on DT songs? am I reading right?

[DreamTheater36]

anyone else pissed they closed down the MP.com and DT.net forums until Octavarium?

[Svante]

"Dream Theater - Pull Me Under" ending
Why the sudden drop in music ? my cd has it and i always assumed i had a bad print but my friend's cd has it too.

According to http://dtfaq.com/ :
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The song intentionally cuts off like that, because part of the song deals with how sudden death can be. The sudden ending of the song is just like an unexpected death of a person.

Another explanation is that it was inspired by The Beatles' Abbey Road side A ending, and MP explains that the melodies are building up and it just "pulls the carpet out from under you".

[clearvision]

Meh given the music i think a keyboardist should be able to manage some of the easier DT stuff...

It's only learning the patterns, and knowing how to use the pitchbend...

Piano dan is pretty good, he hides in the piano/keyboard forum, you could see if he's into DT and if he would play, if he's got a pitchbend on his keyboard etc...

Would be very cool to hear dream theater covers...under a glass moon plzkthx :D

[Deth]

Sorry to break in on the conversation, but has anyone heard the new album. I think it's really good. I'll definitly be buying it.

[Triangle]

Sorry to break in on the conversation, but has anyone heard the new album. I think it's really good. I'll definitly be buying it.
I've downloaded it but also pre-ordered it. So it's all good :cool: .

[rabidmoose171]

IMO this album is probably their worst...


im disapointed. but im still buying it.

[progbass8]

the new album is bascially dream theater deciding to write a numetalish album in a week. not bad though.

[Deth]

It is far, far, far away from nu-metal, where did you get that statement?

[The JoZ]

the new album is bascially dream theater deciding to write a numetalish album in a week. not bad though.

:rolleyes:

Yes, because Dream Theater writes nu metal.

NU METAL DOESN'T EVEN EXIST.

[trev913]

the new album is bascially dream theater deciding to write a numetalish album in a week. not bad though.

Best you'd back this up, sir.

[Deth]

I don't think he's coming back.

On another note, the last 10 minutes or so of the song Octavarium are incredible.

[horseypie]

im really interested by it and im hoping that hmv will have it as the first dream theater cd i have ever seen in there

cant wait till it comes out

[Chu]

I asked a question a while ago about the topic/s of Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, well I didn't really get the answer I was hoping for, so I did a search, and came across a fan's interpretation of the 6 degrees, well I do think it's an accurate interpretation, and thought other people might like to have a look at it. Here (http://www.dtfaq.com/question/1074) it is, hope you enjoy :)

Edit: 2 days for me, will it be released the 7th in US or Australia, does anyone know? I'm assuming US :(

[nowitzki]

Well here in the UK its the 7th as well so I'm guessing thats the release date worldwide.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

I have heard one song off Octavarium, Sacrificed Sons i think it called, and its..uh....kinda CRAP.

[The Depressed]

Well here in the UK its the 7th as well so I'm guessing thats the release date worldwide.

Nope, it's 7th in the US, as their CDs get released on a Tuesday. In the UK it's released on the 6th (tomorrow as of this time where I am).

[FatalEnergy]

Hey, I just recently purchased Train of Thought amd when I put it in the computer it says "go to www.dreamtheater.net for bonus material using this as a cd key"

So, I did, but I don't know where to go. Any suggestions?

[juggalotricksta]

I live in the US but I finally got to buy this album today (the 6th). Which also happens to be my birthday...pretty damn good birthday present. :thumb:

[clearvision]

:rolleyes:

Yes, because Dream Theater writes nu metal.

NU METAL DOESN'T EVEN EXIST.

now, now JoZ...

Octavarium 17:50, the best lead lick i have ever heard petrucci play....

....It screams to be repeated...

..He plays it once...

....Why? :upset:

[Knifeboy]

If you guys want to do a cover, you should get ahold of speedy_fingers for the keyboard parts, he's already in a dream theater cover band, and he's amazing

[Chu]

The Glass Prison is amazing the guitar at 2:12 just :o

[el doctor]

The AMG review is... interesting, to say the least.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47E17DC4AAF7620C19E3B4BCAA07CE029D153 EE81102C435BD9FB3F4D991155D46DFBBA8CC3A039B266A9E0 2CA45A0A9FCEE457F8D665352DED93&sql=10:fpen97yfkrdt

I'll just wait until tomorrow to see if what they say is true.

[Werny]

Edit: 2 days for me, will it be released the 7th in US or Australia, does anyone know? I'm assuming US :(

On Sanity's (Aussie music store... crud) it says that we're getting it on the...

(you'll be disappointed, don't read below)

20th. Yes, us Aussies have to wait weeks for it, and ye yankish folk have already got it. Argh.

[Chu]

That sucks.

[Futuro]

i have never posted in here before but i am a big dream theater fan. i really hope that review was joking about the cemicel romance thing...i would be very saddened if dream theater went that direction.

[tra la la]

im goin to see them megadeth symphony x and a bunch of other people at gigantour

[demon_LLAMA]

On Sanity's (Aussie music store... crud) it says that we're getting it on the...

(you'll be disappointed, don't read below)

20th. Yes, us Aussies have to wait weeks for it, and ye yankish folk have already got it. Argh.

Don't get it at sanity, sanity sucks. Go Tracks music :thumb:

[Lord of Sword]

Hey, I just recently purchased Train of Thought amd when I put it in the computer it says "go to www.dreamtheater.net for bonus material using this as a cd key"

So, I did, but I don't know where to go. Any suggestions?


they disabled it ages ago. i think there was some footage you unlocked that they decided to use on the budokan DVD, which is why they decided to disabled it a while before the DVD was released.


i've got the new album on now anyway, got it in the post from amazon not long ago, and it sounds like it'll be one of my favourites from what i've heard so far

[nowitzki]

Mine didn't arrive this morning :(
hopefully tomorrow...

[Werny]

Don't get it at sanity, sanity sucks. Go Tracks music :thumb:

In this town, I only have Sanity and Leading Edge. Leading Edge is brilliant but they're 15 minutes away from here, arg.

[vashts80]

http://www.voicesuk.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=2817&page=3

Go down a little, and there will be MP3 download links to an hour and a half interview with Portnoy on XM

[Kurrpt]

"these walls" has an awesome intro and chorus dammit. I listen to it like 4 times a day now

[Magicaltroll]

Yeah, These Walls is a great song.

[The JoZ]

Everyone go buy Octavarium. Now.

It is, IMO, their best album to date.

It has the perfect mix of heavy/light/epic. Jordan and JP remind everyone what emotional solos sound like, and Myung actually stands out in several spots.

I'll review it in the next day or two hopefully, assuming no bastard has beaten me to it :mad:

[Happy]

Is it out in britain yet? Im too lazy to see myself.

[The Stapler]

Such an amazing album

So far my favorite tracks are Panic Attack and Octavarium, but I've only had it for an hour and a half so I'll probably be saying totally different songs tomorrow.

[3rdplanet]

At 4:25 Panic Attack really sounds like Muse to me.

[Chu]

In this town, I only have Sanity and Leading Edge. Leading Edge is brilliant but they're 15 minutes away from here, arg.
What about JB?

*Maybe JB only exists in Canberra, but I would have thought otherwise.

[Magicaltroll]

Everyone go buy Octavarium. Now.

It is, IMO, their best album to date.

It has the perfect mix of heavy/light/epic. Jordan and JP remind everyone what emotional solos sound like, and Myung actually stands out in several spots.

I'll review it in the next day or two hopefully, assuming no bastard has beaten me to it :mad:
I walk beside you isn't a good song imo though.

But it is VERY good.

[GenuineImitation]

Im getting paidf tomorrow so After that I am going to thge store. I cant wait to listen to it.

[The JoZ]

I walk beside you isn't a good song imo though.

But it is VERY good.

That's the weakest song on the album.

The other 7 more than make up for it though.

[Cain]

That's the weakest song on the album.

The other 7 more than make up for it though.

Wait, is it out officially? I've been in stores recently and they don't have it. :/

[Monstar1790]

Everyone go buy Octavarium. Now.

It is, IMO, their best album to date.

It has the perfect mix of heavy/light/epic. Jordan and JP remind everyone what emotional solos sound like, and Myung actually stands out in several spots.



I'd have to second that statement. Now that I LEGALLY own the album (have had the leak for 2 weeks or so) I'm sure enough of it that I can say that. The title track is simply jaw-dropping. On that note, has anyone noticed all the 5:8 symbolism in the cover art (and the fact that Octavarium is divided into 5 parts?) I guess it's supposed to stand for 5 musicians, 8th album. Also, someone on the official forums noticed that in Part IV. Intervals, each set of lyrics before the "trapped inside this octavarium" part sum up each song on the album. Pretty cool.

[SatchBooG3ie]

To me, the first two tracks were lacking compared to the rest of the album. And, I also believe that "Never Enough" is the weakest track in the album. Anyone else agree?

[Mizar]

I'd have to second that statement. Now that I LEGALLY own the album (have had the leak for 2 weeks or so) I'm sure enough of it that I can say that. The title track is simply jaw-dropping. On that note, has anyone noticed all the 5:8 symbolism in the cover art (and the fact that Octavarium is divided into 5 parts?) I guess it's supposed to stand for 5 musicians, 8th album. Also, someone on the official forums noticed that in Part IV. Intervals, each set of lyrics before the "trapped inside this octavarium" part sum up each song on the album. Pretty cool.



*Warning*

Possible Album spoiers:






It has to do with octaves. Each octave on a Piano contains 8 white keys and 5 black keys. As well, the keys on the back of the album go from F to F. There is all sorts of 5:8 symbolism inside. The cover itself has a piano layout from F-F with 8 balls and 5 birds.

Also note: Each key of the piano that the songs are printed on on the back is the relative minor of the keys shown with each song in the liner notes.









*end*

[Chickenmonkey]

At 4:25 Panic Attack really sounds like Muse to me.

I was thinking the EXACT same thing. (I love Muse)

[The JoZ]

Wait, is it out officially? I've been in stores recently and they don't have it. :/

It just came out today :thumb:

[sniper12345]

What about JB?

*Maybe JB only exists in Canberra, but I would have thought otherwise.

JB's in Melbourne and Sydney as well.

[The Stapler]

It totally sounds like James sings "God I'm High" in Sacrificed Sons when he sings "God on high"

:lol:

[ytsedrummer]

This album kicks ***. I'm listening to it right now.

Defintely U2 influences in I Walk Beside You (that's the song I'm on right now) and Not Enough has some Muse- Absolution sounding lyrics in it too, as well as some other songs.

Over all, this album is great and Panic Attack is one hell of a ****ed up song.

[ytsedrummer]

At 4:25 Panic Attack really sounds like Muse to me.

More like 3:50- 4:30. Same thing with Never Enough. Straight out of Absolution.

[Kaptor306]

That's the weakest song on the album.

The other 7 more than make up for it though.

well said. octavarium is an amazing album. even i walk beside you is kind of alright.

[The pet beaver on bass]

i bought it today:) havnt heard it yet though ive been busy with my other new CD's. but im really looking forward to it. especially this 24 minute ocatavarium.

[Dude123]

Just bought it, really liking it on my first listen. Does anyone know which song is the continuation of the glass prison/ AA steps theme? I looked through the lyrics, and have an idea, but wanna know if anyone knows which song it actually is.

[McClain]

Just bought it, really liking it on my first listen. Does anyone know which song is the continuation of the glass prison/ AA steps theme? I looked through the lyrics, and have an idea, but wanna know if anyone knows which song it actually is.
It's, "The Root of All Evil"

[Futuro]

hmmmm... i seem to be the only one that didnt like it that much. joran rudess's solo album was much better IMO.

[thunderzstruck]

whats one of dream theaters albums that is most like scenes from a memory. I love their slower stuff but not too much their heavy metal

[ArcLite]

Try Images And Words. Great album, and should be what you're looking for.

[Werny]

What about JB?

*Maybe JB only exists in Canberra, but I would have thought otherwise.

Nah we don't have JB down this way (I'm in Wodonga, you know, Albury-Wodonga).

If there's any songs even slightly similar to Stream of Consciousness on this album (please tell), I'm preordering it.

[PIGS(1 different one)]

Well I am listening right now and it sounds amazing, it sounds like they have put songwriting ahead of technical ability this time around and it sounds incredible.

[Jack Daniels]

got it today ;) 3 or 4 of the songs sounds like muse, james even tries to sing like muse on panic room :P Im a big muse fans so i think it is great, imo this is a great album.

[Cain]

Woohoo I'm excited.

I'm off to the CD store to buy it soon.

As am I. :)

EDIT: Lawl @ 4321 posts

[the2stranger]

I was in my recordstore today, and in the Netherlands it isn't coming out till friday :(

[Cain]

I was in my recordstore today, and in the Netherlands it isn't coming out till friday :(

You're Dutch? I never knew that. Awesome! :thumb:

I love the multinationality on this site. It's just a shame Americans like me suck at language. I hope to study abroad in Italy, though...it would be cool to get fluent at that.

[Kurrpt]

these walls is the best IMO.


I dont think i really listen to rest of it too much though

[LiquidTensionTheatre]

'Lo Dream Theater people,

First DT album I heard was SFAM, it remains my favourite concept album and possibly my favourite album in general. On SFNY, Rudess' face when he's playing the ragtime solo out of Dance of Eternity still makes me laugh, quite how you're supposed to put a smile on your face when playing something that technical so precisely, escapes me.

Other songs I've taken a liking to include 6 o' clock (Learn the drum intro and feel cool :cool:) Metropolis Part 1. Liquid Tension Experiment are also an excellent band, but I won't go into that because this is a DT thread. I also own Live at Budokan, which I thought could've been better but Instrumedley is amazing.

Going to see Dream Theater and Iron Maiden in Paris this month :D

Going to be truly awesome.

[the2stranger]

You're Dutch? I never knew that. Awesome!

I love the multinationality on this site. It's just a shame Americans like me suck at language. I hope to study abroad in Italy, though...it would be cool to get fluent at that.

:D
But I agree, MX is jsut a meltingpot(sp?) of all different countries and cultures, and I must say, it helps you broaden you musical tastes, and overall knowledge about stuff.
studying in Italy sounds cool, although I've never been there.
I study in The Netherlands.

'Lo Dream Theater people,

First DT album I heard was SFAM, it remains my favourite concept album and possibly my favourite album in general. On SFNY, Rudess' face when he's playing the ragtime solo out of Dance of Eternity still makes me laugh, quite how you're supposed to put a smile on your face when playing something that technical so precisely, escapes me.

Other songs I've taken a liking to include 6 o' clock (Learn the drum intro and feel cool :cool Metropolis Part 1. Liquid Tension Experiment are also an excellent band, but I won't go into that because this is a DT thread. I also own Live at Budokan, which I thought could've been better but Instrumedley is amazing.

Going to see Dream Theater and Iron Maiden in Paris this month

Going to be truly awesome.

I haven't seen you before in the DT thread, but that was a great (first) post,
join the DT club ;)

[Kurrpt]

hey i uploaded scenes from a memory if anyone wants it

[thunderzstruck]

I bought Octavarium (yes I did have to look up the spelling)

Overall: pretty good, vocals I don't like much-seem to forced. Lyrics are really cheesy but other than that pretty good

[Kurrpt]

i always think DT lyrics are cheesy

[the2stranger]

I like DT lyrics, the most atleast.

but on a different topic:
the dance of eternity ****s up on my pc.
it says it lasts 9 minutes something, but somewhere half way down the song, the songs skips 3 minutes or so, well, not the song, but the numbers,( it skips from 4:20 to 7:20 or something like that) and all of the sudden DoE lasts 6 minutes only.

does anyone else have this as well?
and what is the actual lenght of DoE actually? :confused:

[red barchetta]

DoE lasts for 6.13 on my computer

[thunderzstruck]

DoE lasts 6:13 over here

[Cain]

Just purchased Octavarium. Very melodic, but I have yet to hit a true headbanging moment. (Is only on the second song).

I'm mostly liking it so far.

[Lord of Sword]

i don't really like the lyrics on the new album, not that i'm really bothered by that though. all of them (if i remember right) are written in first person, and seem more narative, which was ok for an album like SFAM but not the albums since. compare lyrics from the early albums, eg under a glass moon or lifting shadows off a dream, to their recent songs.


and also, another easter egg thing on the album. the 5:8 is also to do with the octave thing. on the cover, the metal balls are the FGABCDEF keys that the songs are in, the birds are the flats/sharps inbetween, and it's the same on the back. the keys are also written around the 8 corners of the diagram next to the title track lyrics, which is also "scale - 5:8"

[Cain]

i don't really like the lyrics on the new album, not that i'm really bothered by that though. all of them (if i remember right) are written in first person, and seem more narative, which was ok for an album like SFAM but not the albums since. compare lyrics from the early albums, eg under a glass moon or lifting shadows off a dream, to their recent songs.


and also, another easter egg thing on the album. the 5:8 is also to do with the octave thing. on the cover, the metal balls are the FGABCDEF keys that the songs are in, the birds are the flats/sharps inbetween, and it's the same on the back. the keys are also written around the 8 corners of the diagram next to the title track lyrics, which is also "scale - 5:8"

I think the lyrics are just plain cheesy. Petrucci, Portnoy and Co. have come up with much better stuff and much better vocal lines than they get on this one. I honestly think LaBrie needs to go.

The instrumental stuff is far more listenable than it was on Train of Thought, however.

[Fallen Zero]

how is octavarium? i'm hoping that it takes a step back and goes back to the old style. i'm not too much of a fan of train of thought.

[Cain]

how is octavarium? i'm hoping that it takes a step back and goes back to the old style. i'm not too much of a fan of train of thought.

It's pretty far away from Train of Thought's sound. LaBrie is still not working for me as a vocalist though, but Portnoy's drums sound a lot better than they've been, and there's keyboard ALL OVER this album.

[Fallen Zero]

It's pretty far away from Train of Thought's sound. LaBrie is still not working for me as a vocalist though, but Portnoy's drums sound a lot better than they've been, and there's keyboard ALL OVER this album.

sounds cool. as far as labrie's vocals, do you mean they are still like the last album? the more angry style?

[Cain]

sounds cool. as far as labrie's vocals, do you mean they are still like the last album? the more angry style?

Nah, just very overdramatic and loud in the quiet moments. The man does not know how to deliver a sensitive vocal line in peace and doesn't know how to be aggressive without some belted yell in the loudness. He's just not a very good vocalist, IMO.

[Kurrpt]

hey ill upload it to ya bud

[Happy]

Ah, the curse of LaBrie's singing strikes again. :-/ I still haven't got this album, as there's not one CD shop around me that has it in stock. Pathetic, isn't it? I mean, with DT being the biggest prog metal band in the world I would have thought one of them would deign to bring in the odd copy, but clearly not.

*sigh*

Hopefully, I can pick it up next time that I'm in London. Hopefully.
I found some DT albums in Virgin i was actually pretty suprised.

[Knifeboy]

Here in Denmark DT albums are everywhere

[Cain]

hey ill upload it to ya bud

Don't do that, let him buy it. Part of the coolness is in the packaging. And there's enough piracy on the site already, without expanding it to albums.

[juggalotricksta]

I've had the new album now for a couple days. I havent had a chance to sit and listen to all of it yet. But I did listen to the title track after reading so much about it...and I have to say I was somewhat disappointed. It has its moments (like petruccis little acoustic lick around 17:50 or so :thumb: ) but I thought it left much to be desired.

Hopefully I'll get to the rest of it tonight.

[MAthiAS]

So I go to Tower Records yesterday to buy Octavarium. I get there and look in the new releases section, not there, okay meh. I head over to the DT section and there's one in the back... with a $20 price tag. No discount for being new. **** that, I'll d/l it now, after I waited because I didn't want to d/l it. Ironic...

[The Stapler]

Some of the little nuggets on here are incredible

I love how the piano key the song is listed on is the key the song was written in. I also cracked up when I heard the measure of "Jingle Bells" on the title track 17:47 - 17:49 :lol:

[PIGS(1 different one)]

What is the packaging like with it, standard cd case or Paper Back or whatever?

So far I think I am going to buy this.

[red barchetta]

It's pretty far away from Train of Thought's sound. LaBrie is still not working for me as a vocalist though, but Portnoy's drums sound a lot better than they've been, and there's keyboard ALL OVER this album.
eeeexcellent :)

[clairvoyant]

I'm kinda thinkin that this is my favorite Dream Theater album so far, I love it.

[pwal]

i just bought it like 2 hours ago and i think it has a pretty good ambience for that album... i must say i only own ToT, live at budokan and, octavarium which are more in my tastes considering im more into metal than rock but still i really like the slower songs from budokan's dvd.. but to come back to octavarium.. at first listen i cant say i really heard any amazing solo(like wtf-stoked-cantmove) but still i really like the ambience the keyboard is adding. i really liked the vocals too less aggressive than ToT without the rapcore like parts. one of my fav song from it is never enough. it has a kinda new sound that mixes psytrance-metal and it has a more opera groove.

[Ad Absurdum]

I just got Octavarium now, the first song was excellent but this second one is like Anna Lee, but worse :(

[Daven]

is there a song named octavarium, if so how much does it lasts?

thx

[Kaden]

is there a song named octavarium, if so how much does it lasts?

thx
24 minutes

I'm really dissapointed by this album. The first song is awesome, it's part 3 of the Glass Prison. The rest of it kind of sucks, though. It's just boring, formulaic, and uncreative. I haven't listened to the title track enough to know what to think of that one though.

[clearvision]

about 24min...23:59 to be precise.

[Cain]

I just got Octavarium now, the first song was excellent but this second one is like Anna Lee, but worse :(

The piano line is remiscient of an Evanescence song. :-/

[Triangle]

I love the album personally. The last two tracks are mindblowing.

[The Depressed]

about 24min...23:59 to be precise.

WRONG - The leak was 23:59, the actual version is exactly 24:00.

I love it. Even Never Enough is starting to grow on me, even though I hate JLB's vocal tone in the verses, with all the Matt Bellamy asthma impersonations.

[clearvision]

So? I have the leak? Shoot me be0tch.

[trysthedrummer]

When I though I had some tracks off Octavarium, they were apparently not in any way. Although they were DT, and they were tracks off some other, new album, not previous ones. Don't know which.

Eg. When I got Panic attack it started with a tremolo effect on the guitar. Wrong after listening to the new one it starts off with the bass part. Someone said these tracks were of Jamies Labries new album? Anyway, after d/loading a few Im still going to support the band by buying the cd.

O and another thing. I feel sorry for James in DT really. In TOT some of the lyrics were done by Petrucci and Jordan, not James, so he only did a few. Portnoy and Petrucci were the main producers of their songs on TOT, amongst other albums, and this happened again in Octavarium.

[nowitzki]

My copy arrived today. My first impression is very good, but not quite up with what people were saying about it being one of DT's best. When I heard SFAM and ToT I was completely blown away on first listen, I suppose my expectations might have been too high for this one.
Then again, I've only listened to it once, I'll see how I feel after a few listens

EDIT: yeah I forgot to mention, I thought Panic Attack was Muse-like, well Never Enough sounds exactly like a Muse song

[The Depressed]

O and another thing. I feel sorry for James in DT really. In TOT some of the lyrics were done by Petrucci and Jordan, not James, so he only did a few. Portnoy and Petrucci were the main producers of their songs on TOT, amongst other albums, and this happened again in Octavarium.

James has never been the principle lyric writer in DT. It's always been Petrucci and either Moore or Portnoy. The first song JLB wrote the lyrics for in DT was a joint collaboration with Petrucci (Caught In A Web) and he's not really written more than two songs on an album. I think the most he did was on 6DOIT (Blind Faith and Disappear) followed by Octavarium (Sacrificed Sons and the Medicate section of the title track).

And Rudess doesn't write lyrics for DT. Portnoy does, Myung did, but no Rudess.

Oh, and Portnoy and Petrucci have produced the last 4 albums. The last album they did with an outside producer nearly split the band up, remember? I'd do the same thing as they did if that happened to me.

[juggalotricksta]

so far Panic Attack is standing out for me. Still a little disappointed with the title track...and I still havent had a good thorough listen...but so far the album seems very simple. Not as progressive as I may have hoped, and not enough shredding...but like I said, I'm still waiting to sit down and go through the whole album.

[Lord of Sword]

james wrote 2 songs on 6 degrees, which happen to be my 2 favourite tracks on that album. he doesn't often write lyrics, and 2 in particular, Vacant and Disappear are very similar, but i like his lyrics a lot anyway.

[clearvision]

:lol: Labrie wrote caught in a web? Man i hate him even more now...

I picked up train of thought today, it was interesting....some parts were great, but others just passed me by. Nothing has been able to feed my hunger from Images and words, scenes from a memory came close but didn't quite make it...

How do people rank the albums?

for me it's...

Images and words > Scenes from a memory > Octavarium > awake > Change of seasons > 6 degrees

I haven't including ToT as it's my first listen, though i haven't given 6 degrees much of a chance i fount it really uninspiring....

Opinions on the albums?

[nowitzki]

I&W = SFAM > ToT > 6DIOT > Awake > WDADU > FII

I haven't included Octavarium yet becuase it hasn't had time to sink in, but at the moment I reckon it would be in between ToT and 6DIOT
And I've not inlcuded ACoS because its an EP, but the song itself is one of the best

[clearvision]

What appeals to you abvout ToT and 6 degrees? i sense they are pretty similair in their sound...

[juggalotricksta]

SFAM > 6DOIT > IAW > TOT > Awake > FII > WDADU > ACOS




So far I'm guessing 8VM would be in between Awake and FII, but like I said I haven't had a genuinely thorough listen yet.

[red barchetta]

SFAM > IAW > 6DOIT > ToT > Awake > ACOS > WDADU > FII

octavarium will probably end up in between 6 degrees and ToT

[nowitzki]

ToT was the first DT album I heard so maybe that's why I like it so much. I was expecting them to be a regular metal band, and that album just completely blew me away
If you listen to it as a metal album, not as a prog album, then you realise it is amazing
Personally it is one of my all time favourite metal albums, up there with Master of Puppets and what not

[JamieSomething]

got Octavarium..THE day it came out, second one left :D

Images & Words/Octavarium > FII > SFAM > ToT > 6DOIT > Awake
and the live albums..
Live Scenes > Budokan > OIALT

[Ad Absurdum]

Awake > Scenes From A Memory > Images & Words > Octavarium > Train of Thought > A Change of Seasons > Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence > When Dream and Day Unite > Falling Into Infinity

/rates Awake much higher than most DT fans

[Mr Benners]

Hmm... I find it pretty hard to compare them... I like different things about each album. I reckon that for me the order would have to go...

SFAM = IAW = AWAKE > TOT >(=) Octavarium > 6DOIT

Haven't really give FII a proper chance yet, and as someone said before ACOS is an EP yet one of the best works they're ever done.

I really like Octavarium. I think as an album it works exceptionally well. I can understand that some people are annoyed at how similar some songs sound to other bands (Muse, U2, Coldplay etc), but meh, it works for me. Petrucci's restrained playing here really works for me too, we've all seen that he can shred like the best on TOT, but this album proves those people who said he was devoid of emotion wrong (check out ending on title track). The songwriting here is immense as ever, and the Intervals section of the title track is one of those moments that sends shivers down my spine. The only other record I have that does that is Frances The Mute. But yeah, that's just my opinion.

I seem to fit in with what most people are saying... I'd rate Octavarium above than 6DOIT (I feel disc two lets it down, great song, but they could have done better) and below or maybe equal to Train of Thought.

[Lord of Sword]

What appeals to you abvout ToT and 6 degrees? i sense they are pretty similair in their sound...


i don't think they're similar at all. 6DOIT isn't anywhere near as heavy as ToT and to me seems more like SFAM only without the regression story.

i'd rank them as:

I&W
SFAM
6DOIT
Awake
Octavarium
ToT


i don't have the first album, or FII, although i do have 7 mp3s from it, and ACOS isn't really an album. but still, just because ToT is last, doesn't mean i don't like it, there's not one album by them i dislike, i just like the others more.

[Kaden]

I change my mind. I love parts of the new album, but still some parts just seem really really lame (the 2nd track being the main one, and the chorus of I Walk Beside you).

Haven't listened to all of the title track yet, but Sacrificed Sons blows me away.

[The JoZ]

I change my mind. I love parts of the new album, but still some parts just seem really really lame (the 2nd track being the main one, and the chorus of I Walk Beside you).

Haven't listened to all of the title track yet, but Sacrificed Sons blows me away.

SS is a great song isn't it?

Octavarium will blow you away even more.

[Kaden]

SS is a great song isn't it?

Octavarium will blow you away even more.
I'm looking forward to it.

EDIT: Anyone else notice that the beginning of Octavarium sounds exactly like shine on you crazy diamond?

[Cain]

I'm looking forward to it.

Hello, there, Kaden. I sure haven't seen you in a long time.

[thunderzstruck]

I'm looking forward to it.

EDIT: Anyone else notice that the beginning of Octavarium sounds exactly like shine on you crazy diamond?


i noticed that exact thing too

[pwal]

so whats everyone favorite song on octavarium??
i saw that a lot of people mostly liked the root of all evil which i really dont think is the best... the one i listen to more than the other is never enough. sounds like metal mixed with infected mushroom psytrance at the beggining. and sacrificed sons is pretty good too.

[thunderzstruck]

anyone else notice at 14:15 on title track the lyrics are "lucy in the sky with diamonds"? :p

[Suicide_Punishment]

I like Panic Attack and sacrificed sons the best.

Can anyone tell me what cd Glass Prison is On?

[Cain]

I like Panic Attack and sacrificed sons the best.

Can anyone tell me what cd Glass Prison is On?

That would be Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. I'd upload it for you, but I honestly recommend getting the whole album.

Dude, the orchestra stuff on the title track is reminding me of Nightwish.

[Kaden]

Hello, there, Kaden. I sure haven't seen you in a long time.
I think you're hawt.

[The JoZ]

Really, I like all the songs on Ocatvarium...although I Walk Beside You is the weakest link.

I need to listen to Never Enough again, because honestly I don't remember how it sounds.

I will say that I really like Root of All Evil, These Walls, SS and 8vm

[Kaden]

I Walk Beside You is the weakest link.
What about the second track?

I wish I remembered what it's called.

The piano ballad one.

That song is teh suk.

[Five Magics]

Favourite song is "Pull Me Under"

I have Images and Words, Awake, Scences From A Memory, and Train of Thought, what album would you suggest next?

[Cain]

I think you're hawt.

Thanks, you don't remember who I am, do you? :)

[The Stapler]

This album has an abundance of extremely catchy choruses

[Chu]

This album has an abundance of extremely catchy choruses
Hah, awesome.

[PIGS(1 different one)]

Anyone notice the intro to the album sounds a lot like welcome to the machine, and that they actually used some Muse riffs and vocal melodies?

I am not bashing, I think it's kinda cool actually.

[The Stapler]

Yeah, there are a whole bunch of influences in the album, such as Queen, Pink Floyd, Rush and U2

I'm starting more and more to think that this might secretly be some sort of tribute album.

[Werny]

EDIT: I thought I downloaded The Root of All Evil but it was some other 6:01 song.

I love DT's mix of heavy riffing and lovely keyboards on Images & Words, so I look forward to getting Octavarium when it comes out here on the 20th.

[ArcLite]

Panic Attack is the continuation song, not Root. And there's no need to "preorder", as the album has already been released.

[Werny]

Really? Oh, I read that it was Root (hehe, root) earlier in the thread.

I guess I'll try downloading Panic Attack then (I just want to hear the continuation because its the best thing DT have ever done, besides Stream of Consciousness).

[ArcLite]

Well, don't quote me on it for sure, as I'm no DT expert. It's just what I heard, and when I listened to it it seemed to make sense.

[Werny]

Cecilliane says in his/her review that its The Root of all Evil. I'm 100% sure I got the wrong song, but still, Root is only 8:39? Seems like a pretty dodgy continuation, considering how epic the other ones were.

[ArcLite]

Root is 8:07, you may have the wrong tune. Hell, I may be wrong again. Too much confusion following this album. I'm gonna shut up now before I say more misleading statements.

[Werny]

You're confusing yourself by not reading my posts properly; I actually said that the song I downloaded is 6:01 and Root is 8:something.

[ArcLite]

You're confusing yourself by not reading my posts properly; I actually said that the song I downloaded is 6:01 and Root is 8:something.

:upset: It's been a long night. Sorry, friend. I'm just trying to figure this out here. Some sites say Root is 8:07, others say it is 8:39. Not sure what that is all about.

[Biancazzurri]

Anyone notice the intro to the album sounds a lot like welcome to the machine, and that they actually used some Muse riffs and vocal melodies?

I am not bashing, I think it's kinda cool actually.
Wow! I thought that too! :rolleyes: :angry:

[The JoZ]

Root of All Evil is the AA continuation, not Panic Attack.

And whoever asked about The Answer Lies Within...that song is not weaker than I Walk Beside You, because it's meant to be soft and ballady, and it does a good job of that.

[clearvision]

:eek: are you liking the ballads now JoZ :lol:

These walls is so good.

[Kaden]

Thanks, you don't remember who I am, do you? :)
Sure I do, you're Cain.

[trysthedrummer]

Look guys/ladies you will want to read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavarium

I explained it a bit more detail here.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350995

You might know already. There is talk on the petrucci forum too. In one part it explains some of the leakage songs which weren't correct.

[Cain]

Sure I do, you're Cain.

Never mind. It matters not.

[Mr Benners]

:upset: It's been a long night. Sorry, friend. I'm just trying to figure this out here. Some sites say Root is 8:07, others say it is 8:39. Not sure what that is all about.

On the CD, if you buy it, there are sounds in between the tracks in the "pre-time" so the song is only 8:07 but when you rip it to computer it rips the pretime of the next track as part of it, making it 8:39. If that makes sense lol.

The pre-time noises are represented by the black keys on the keyboard on the back of the CD case, so dont occur between every song. Note that the noises are in the pitch of the key they are on.

Damn clever again, DT.

[vashts80]

Does anybody have any clue what the meaning of the title track is? A lot of these lyrics are totally random :(

[kirk_hammet_wannabe]

I'm so looking forward to hearing These Walls live when they come to Manchester in October/November time. I got the album on the 25th May as a leak and have also bought it coz you just have to have the real thing, the album art and insert art are so good! I personally love Octavarium, it is so much more focused and straight to the point than the previous efforts, not that I mind the endless soloing and showing off...I absolutley adore every single release DT have ever done and have been a huge fan for years! They never seem to lose their touch or passion for the music they make and I never find myself dissapointed with any of their releases...

...I just can't wait till they release meet n greets (if they do) for the gig here so I can thank them to their faces for what they've given me (along with getting my EB/MM JP signature guitar signed by the man himself hehe).

[nowitzki]

When DT next come to the UK I'll see them at as many as I can, I can't wait

and I have to say, today I finally realised how good the song Octavarium is, WHOA

[3rdplanet]

I like I Walk Beside You until the gay chorus starts.

Really liking this album.

[Kaden]

I like I Walk Beside You until the gay chorus starts.
dude, ursorite

I agree 100%

[Speedy Fingers]

I can't wait to meet them, I have some contacts, and i'm scoring some backstage passes for when they come to Manchester :D.

[The JoZ]

Anyone here who plays guitar...can someone tell me wtf tuning is being used in "Panic Attack"?

Although the main riff of the song has alot of C's in it, it's not in C for sure...because there is a low Bb being played, listen to the point at 1:27 into the song, you can hear it without any interference.

But I'm almost positive that Petrucci/Myung are playing a note BELOW that Bb...and I think it's a G#. If you listen right before the first verse starts, I think about :50 into the song...the riff goes *note note note, Bb Bb Bb*...and I think that note is a low G#. Also, if you listen to the heavily palm muted section, starting at about 2:32, I swear I can hear it in the bass, although the guitar is too muddy to really make out.

But if the song is in G#, it makes the main riff, IMO, really hard to play. Of course, this is Dream Theater we're talking about, but still.

Any confirmation or denial of this would be great.

[Skit]

My mate just sent me "The YTSE jam" and it ****ing rules!


Can anyone reccomend me anymore songs?

[the2stranger]

the glass prison
in the name of god
the dance of eternity (instrumental as well)
the miracle and the sleeper

that should get you started

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

EDIT: Anyone else notice that the beginning of Octavarium sounds exactly like shine on you crazy diamond?

I noticed that too.

[the2stranger]

I think the new cd is great.
octovarium ( the song) rocks, greatest songwriting I have seen in a long time

[Hammerheart]

Octavarium is dream theaters best album, and that's saying a lot since Images and Words is one of the best albums ever. I think this tops it.


My god, It's amazing.

NP: Dream Theater- Octavarium

[juggalotricksta]

This is so weird seeing such mixed reviews of the new album. Half say its their worst album ever, and half say is their best album ever.

I dont think they really have a worst album, but IMO this definitely isnt their best. I think it would be damn hard to top SFAM. Personally, I would say Octaviarium would fall on the lower end of the DT scale.

[clearvision]

JoZ i had a listen if the main riff goes C-C-C--C-Eb-C then the little link goes Ab-Ab--Ab-Ab--Bb-Bb-Bb I think....

However i don't have perfect pitch so had to use relative pitch up the octave...If you're sure thats the lowest note then the tuning may well be Ab...seems ghey though...8 string? baritone???

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Sorry if this has been brought up already, but I have a question about The Root of All Evil. Is this song supposed to be a sequel to This Dying Soul? I only ask this because in TROAE, at about 4:50 in, the singing and lyrics are almost exactly the same to the chorus of TDS. Why did they do this?

[the2stranger]

np DT - Octovarium.

the part where James LaBrie screams 'Trapped inside this Octovarium' is actually scary :eek:

damn he sounds like he's going to explode any second.
this is his most agressive singing moment ever, even tops a lot od songs of Awake, as far as agressivenes(sp) goes

[clearvision]

Yeah it goes

The glass prison -> This Dying Soul -> The Root Of All Evil

Something to do with the 12 steps of alcholism rehabilitation...has been mentioned in the thread many times, you could search it up too...

[MAthiAS]

/still in the process of downloading Octavarium

[AClotM1]

"There are lots of guitar players out there who play super fast and super well--but they're also super lame. Like Dream Theater." Alexi Laiho

Anybody read this? Man, I like cob, but this is complete bull****.

[Artemician]

"There are lots of guitar players out there who play super fast and super well--but they're also super lame. Like Dream Theater." Alexi Laiho

Anybody read this? Man, I like cob, but this is complete bull****.

Yeah, I've read that before. I like Children of Bodom too, and think that Alexi's a great guitar player, but he was just way out of line with that one.

[MAthiAS]

Anybody read this? Man, I like cob, but this is complete bull****.
God forbid he express an opinion contrary to your own. After all, you're a virtuoso too.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

"There are lots of guitar players out there who play super fast and super well--but they're also super lame. Like Dream Theater." Alexi Laiho

Anybody read this? Man, I like cob, but this is complete bull****.

It's complete bull**** because Alexi is a complete hypocrite. Alexi's playing is MORE lame than Petrucci's. He plays so high and it sounds like a fvcking sped up icecream truck tune. What an arrogant @sshole.

[PIGS(1 different one)]

OMFG THE END OF PANIC ATTACK SOUNDS LIKE SEVERAL SPECIES OF SMALL FURRY ANIMALS BY PINK FLOYD

yet another influence/cover riff or whatever

[ArcLite]

It's complete bull**** because Alexi is a complete hypocrite. Alexi's playing is MORE lame than Petrucci's. He plays so high and it sounds like a fvcking sped up icecream truck tune. What an arrogant @sshole.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on and taste for music. He just happened to voice his, and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm sure there's plenty of talented bands that you find lame or boring. Does that make you arrogant? No it doesn't, and it doesn't make him either. He never said he was better, he said nothing more than he doesn't like his playing. Get over it.

[MAthiAS]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on and taste for music. He just happened to voice his, and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm sure there's plenty of talented bands that you find lame or boring. Does that make you arrogant? No it doesn't, and it doesn't make him either. He never said he was better, he said nothing more than he doesn't like his playing. Get over it.
Well said.

[demon_LLAMA]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on and taste for music. He just happened to voice his, and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm sure there's plenty of talented bands that you find lame or boring. Does that make you arrogant? No it doesn't, and it doesn't make him either. He never said he was better, he said nothing more than he doesn't like his playing. Get over it.

I understand what you are saying, but I believe it's just immature the way he said it, he sounded just like a number of 10 year old kirk hammett wannabees i have noticet on this forum.

The first bit wasn't so bad but what he said afterwards was just rediculous. Something along the lines of "John Petrucci doesn't make mistakes so that means he doesn't get into the music"
Funny, i never knew being sloppy and undisciplined = feel/music/passion etc...

And if you really think about it that opinion doesn't contribute to anything except starting numerous arguments in music forums :D

[ArcLite]

Well, Laiho is by no means sloppy and undisciplined. They're just two different types players. Laiho is the rockstar type, Petrucci is the virtuoso, and as you said, the more mature artist. However, I still see nothing wrong with what he said. I admire that he spoke his mind, not giving a **** about what lowely MXers would say about it :).

By the way, I'm a big fan of both of them, so I'm not being biased in my views.

[FlyingPaul_83]

Does Dream theater usually have a set list when they play? do you think that they'll play a lot of stuff from their new album on the gigantour?

[theflame85]

I got Octavarium yesterday, and im very impressed. This has gotta be the best album from DT since SFAM, but i still do think SFAM is better. Does anyone know who/what Never Enough is directed at?

[Mr Benners]

np DT - Octovarium.

the part where James LaBrie screams 'Trapped inside this Octovarium' is actually scary :eek:

damn he sounds like he's going to explode any second.
this is his most agressive singing moment ever, even tops a lot od songs of Awake, as far as agressivenes(sp) goes

The whole of the Intervals section is just awesome. Gives me shivers.

[the2stranger]

indeed, it does send shivers down your spine.
I di'n't know he was cappable of that anymore ( after he damaged his vocal chords on Awake).

does anyone else feel that I walk beside you kind of ruins the cd?
the song is quite good till the chorus starts, DT doing U2 sounds very bad, and very cheesy.
luckily the song only lasts 4 minutes something.

[beaNN]

indeed, it does send shivers down your spine.
I di'n't know he was cappable of that anymore ( after he damaged his vocal chords on Awake).

does anyone else feel that I walk beside you kind of ruins the cd?
the song is quite good till the chorus starts, DT doing U2 sounds very bad, and very cheesy.
luckily the song only lasts 4 minutes something.
Yea that was dodgey ://

[OasisFanNo1]

I have to honestly say that Octavarium didn't impress me as much as TOT and SFAM...The intro song on the album really got me going but the large of amount of softer melodic songs wasn't something I used to...make no mistake its still good music but I always pictured Dream Theater as a heavier band

[the2stranger]

I have to honestly say that Octavarium didn't impress me as much as TOT and SFAM...The intro song on the album really got me going but the large of amount of softer melodic songs wasn't something I used to...make no mistake its still good music but I always pictured Dream Theater as a heavier band


if you've only heard TOT, I dont think you can judge Octovarium very well.
TOT was a one of a kind 'heavy' album.
all their other stuff is way lighter than TOT.
that doesn't take away that I love TOT.

anyways.

you people already made comparisons which song is better?

Octovarium or A change of seasons?
when I first saw thetracklisting, and saw a 24 minute song, my first thought was. will it be better than ACOS? :eek:
but I still think ACOS is better, octovarium has quite some filler, it takes about 7 minutes to get really going, where as ACOS has hardly any filler.
but I haven't heard Octovarium nearly as much as ACOS, so maybe I will change my stand :)

[clairvoyant]

How long are the songs on everyone's cd? All of mine are different than the lengths on Wikipedia...

1. The Root of All Evil (8:07) - -- mine is 8:25
2. The Answer Lies Within (5:26) - - - 5:33
3. These Walls (6:59) - - - way off I have 7:36
4. I Walk Beside You (4:29) - -- 4:29
5. Panic Attack (7:16) - - - WAYY different I have 8:13
6. Never Enough (6:33) - - - 6:46
7. Sacrificed Sons (10:42) - - - 10:42
8. Octavarium (24:00) - -- 23:59

Whats up with that? And no, i didn't download it...

[The JoZ]

JoZ i had a listen if the main riff goes C-C-C--C-Eb-C then the little link goes Ab-Ab--Ab-Ab--Bb-Bb-Bb I think....

However i don't have perfect pitch so had to use relative pitch up the octave...If you're sure thats the lowest note then the tuning may well be Ab...seems ghey though...8 string? baritone???

It's C-C-C#-Bb, C-C-C#-Bb, C-C-C#-Bb, G#-G#-Bb-Bb. At least, that's the heavier part.

I'm pretty positive it's in G#...

But if this is the case, it makes the main riff of Eb-C-C-D-C-C-Eb-C-C-D-C-C-F-C-Eb-C very hard to play. Of course, this is Dream Theater, so they probably have the skill to play it, but yeah...

[clearvision]

23:59 for octavarium points to a download of the leak...

So i really have no clue.

I see, i couldn't place that C# i think my guitar may have been slightly out, and i assumed it went back to a C not a Bb...

Basically i failed...

But the bottom note does seem to be the G# ... doesn't seem too tough to play though...

[thunderzstruck]

if you've only heard TOT, I dont think you can judge Octovarium very well.
TOT was a one of a kind 'heavy' album.
all their other stuff is way lighter than TOT.
that doesn't take away that I love TOT.

anyways.

you people already made comparisons which song is better?

Octovarium or A change of seasons?
when I first saw thetracklisting, and saw a 24 minute song, my first thought was. will it be better than ACOS? :eek:
but I still think ACOS is better, octovarium has quite some filler, it takes about 7 minutes to get really going, where as ACOS has hardly any filler.
but I haven't heard Octovarium nearly as much as ACOS, so maybe I will change my stand :)



Those first 7 minutes are my favorite part. :)

[Kaden]

Those first 7 minutes are my favorite part. :)
Do you like Shine On You Crazy Diamond?

[the2stranger]

Those first 7 minutes are my favorite part. :)


oh, it's nice and all, giving the song time build tension, very ambient.

but

well, no but, I dobn't think you can Compare Octovarium with ACOS :p
my bad :cool:

both are just great ;)

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Do you like Shine On You Crazy Diamond?

That part is very SOYCD.

My favorite bit is the last 4 or 5 minutes. It's just ****ing awesome.

[iceman3019]

i went to my local cd store yesterday intending to buy "blues for the red sun" by kyuss. i got sidetracked inside and saw the "dream theater" label and took a casual look through it, and i saw octavarium. HOLY S H I T i thought, and immediately put my kyuss cd that i was intending to buy back in the "kyuss" label and went out, paid my $10 for octavarium, and preceded to listen back at work . . .

my first impressions were that it was a combination of SDOIT and TOT . . . it had the progressive elements of SDOIT and the heaviness of TOT. then on "the answer lies within," the emotion of FII was heard . . . it sounded a lot, almost too much, like "anna lee" to me. then the album played through . . . and i was a little bit disappointed with the title track. i was expecting another change of seasons, with the the epicness and all . . . but it turned out to be just a little bit weaker, and almost as good. on the title track, i think they expressed a lot more emotion and had a better subject matter to deal with, though the instrumental section was a piece of crap, and james labrie almost "talking" on the IV movement and screaming wasn't very pleasant. myung did a nice jam with portnoy too, but it would have been a lot nicer if it was a solo instead of just a short interlude . . . 4/5, and for the record, it goes Images and Words > Scenes From a Memory > Awake > Falling into Infinity > Octavarium > Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance > A Change of Seasons (because it had only one good song) > When Dream and Day Unite > Train of Thought for me . . .

[The JoZ]

23:59 for octavarium points to a download of the leak...

So i really have no clue.

I see, i couldn't place that C# i think my guitar may have been slightly out, and i assumed it went back to a C not a Bb...

Basically i failed...

But the bottom note does seem to be the G# ... doesn't seem too tough to play though...

The riff with a bunch of C's in it is probably harder than it should be if the song is in G#.

I"m pretty convinced though it is a G#.

[thunderzstruck]

Do you like Shine On You Crazy Diamond?


I love that song. I perfer 1-6

[clearvision]

The riff with a bunch of C's in it is probably harder than it should be if the song is in G#.

I"m pretty convinced though it is a G#.

By harder do you mean you need to be more skilled to play it?

If so, Why? It's only gonna be shifted down a little bit, and there is no doubt that tuning will be dropped so only 1 finger powerchords at a time are needed for Petrucci...Myung is playing single notes so that doesn't really make a difference either :confused:

[The Depressed]

MWAHHAHAHAA!!

6 days, 3 gigs, 2 bands, one venue!

Hammersmith Apollo, London in October -

19th - Steve Vai
24th - Dream Theater
25th - Dream Theater with a classic album as the second set

*sploogesploogesploogesploogesplooge*

[clearvision]

huh dream explain about the second dream theater....are they gonna cover an album like they did with MoP?

[Mr Benners]

How long are the songs on everyone's cd? All of mine are different than the lengths on Wikipedia...

1. The Root of All Evil (8:07) - -- mine is 8:25
2. The Answer Lies Within (5:26) - - - 5:33
3. These Walls (6:59) - - - way off I have 7:36
4. I Walk Beside You (4:29) - -- 4:29
5. Panic Attack (7:16) - - - WAYY different I have 8:13
6. Never Enough (6:33) - - - 6:46
7. Sacrificed Sons (10:42) - - - 10:42
8. Octavarium (24:00) - -- 23:59

Whats up with that? And no, i didn't download it...

I addressed this already dude, but for your convenience here it is again

On the CD, if you buy it, there are sounds in between the tracks in the "pre-time" so the song (The Root Of All Evil) is only 8:07 but when you rip it to computer it rips the pretime of the next track as part of it, making it 8:39. If that makes sense lol.

The pre-time noises are represented by the black keys on the keyboard on the back of the CD case, so dont occur between every song. Note that the noises are in the pitch of the key they are on.

**** clever again, DT.

Your Octavarium should still be 24:00, but oh well.

[fuzzyhair]

How long are the songs on everyone's cd? All of mine are different than the lengths on Wikipedia...

1. The Root of All Evil (8:07) - -- mine is 8:25
2. The Answer Lies Within (5:26) - - - 5:33
3. These Walls (6:59) - - - way off I have 7:36
4. I Walk Beside You (4:29) - -- 4:29
5. Panic Attack (7:16) - - - WAYY different I have 8:13
6. Never Enough (6:33) - - - 6:46
7. Sacrificed Sons (10:42) - - - 10:42
8. Octavarium (24:00) - -- 23:59

Whats up with that? And no, i didn't download it...
There are - parts of the songs.

Did anyone realize that The key sig. of each song follows the keyboard on the back cover.
1.F
2.G
3.A
4.B
5.C
6.D
7.E
8.F

A perfect octave. hence the name Octavarium. In the book there are a lot of references to 8 and 5. (Eighth album and 5 band members). Also the Balls and birds on the front symbolize the piano keys, the birds being the black ones. Look on John Petrucci's forums for more stuff on that. The thread is called Octavarium secret or something.

EDIT: I'm sure somebodys allready said this. I didn't realize how many pages there were!

[The JoZ]

By harder do you mean you need to be more skilled to play it?

If so, Why? It's only gonna be shifted down a little bit, and there is no doubt that tuning will be dropped so only 1 finger powerchords at a time are needed for Petrucci...Myung is playing single notes so that doesn't really make a difference either :confused:

Uh, Petrucci doesn't use one finger powerchords, he only uses standard tunings.

If both guitars are in low G#, their respective tunings are.

Myung: G#-C#-F#-B-E-A
Petrucci: G#-C#-F#-B-E-G#-C#

The main riff of the song should be, theoretically, played with a bunch of open C's...but they don't have any C strings with a low G# tuning...

[fuzzyhair]

Uh, Petrucci doesn't use one finger powerchords, he only uses standard tunings.

If both guitars are in low G#, their respective tunings are.

Myung: G#-C#-F#-B-E-A
Petrucci: G#-C#-F#-B-E-G#-C#

The main riff of the song should be, theoretically, played with a bunch of open C's...but they don't have any C strings with a low G# tuning...
he tuned down for home and other parts of SFAM, so why not this album?

[clearvision]

So petrucci's not using a powerchord?

Even if he was that wouldn't be that tricky to play...his strech pwns mine and i could make that strech easy. Only 6 frets. i don't see why it has to be open C...

[breakinginflames]

i thought Octavarium (O) had its strong points "these walls" is awesome, but i still prefer tot.
i guess bc of the guitar solos in tot were better imo
i'll keep listening to O and see if it will grow on me

[vashts80]

Did Petrucci tune up or down for ToT? I always thought he tuned down for ToT, but if he tuned up, **** his guitar must have a good neck.

[Biancazzurri]

Did Petrucci tune up or down for ToT? I always thought he tuned down for ToT, but if he tuned up, **** his guitar must have a good neck.
He tunes down in ToT IMO. Listen the Endless sacrifice opening, the very first note - its D on sixth string

[Lord of Sword]

he detuned to c standard (all strings down 2 whole steps) for a lot of the songs. some songs he used a 7 string on, and Stream of Conciousness is in Eb.

[The Depressed]

The main riff of the song should be, theoretically, played with a bunch of open C's...but they don't have any C strings with a low G# tuning...

But they have C strings with a low G tuning....now THAT is something to think about.... :D

Clearvision - Yes, they will be covering an album for the second set, ala MOP. However, hopefully it will be a classic prog album this year, like a Yes or Rush album. I love MOP but they need a new album for the official bootlegs, remember? :p Would love for them to do Drama (that's not too likely though) or Permanent Waves.

[The JoZ]

But they have C strings with a low G tuning....now THAT is something to think about.... :D

I've already thought of that.

It is possible they could be in low G instead of G#, but it really only makes it easier on Petrucci, because Myung doesn't play the main riff with a low open C, but a...normal...open C.

Bleh, either way, I'm 99% sure it's a low G# being played.

[3rdplanet]

MWAHHAHAHAA!!

6 days, 3 gigs, 2 bands, one venue!

Hammersmith Apollo, London in October -

19th - Steve Vai
24th - Dream Theater
25th - Dream Theater with a classic album as the second set

*sploogesploogesploogesploogesplooge*

need to get to one of those

[Lord of Sword]

would they be adding more UK venues later on? 1 doesn't seem like many even for DT, and i was really hoping to see DT this time round

*is seeing Vai in wolverhampton on the 20th*

[nonamer475]

hey
ive grown up listenen to dream theater
and i personaly think they kick ***
anyone who thinks any of the DT musicians should leave
should go jump of a cliff or sumptin. the only thing i could agree with
is more BASS. way more. u can hear some bass in images and words but thats about all. the solo on learning to live at about 10:03 minutes into the song is cool.
if u listen close you can hear it and he has talent.
i think "pull me under" is my favorite song out of all of em

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Does anyone else think that "These Walls" is too generic? It just doesn't seem to be that good to me.

[red barchetta]

MWAHHAHAHAA!!

6 days, 3 gigs, 2 bands, one venue!

Hammersmith Apollo, London in October -

19th - Steve Vai
24th - Dream Theater
25th - Dream Theater with a classic album as the second set

*sploogesploogesploogesploogesplooge*
where and when can i get a ticket for the DT hammersmith show?

[Rotak]

Dream Theater are some of the most talented people I've heard. I own Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, Scenes From a Memory, Once In a LiveTime, and Octavarium. Those are the most impressive pieces of music I have ever heard. I wish they'd let John Myung show what he can though... it sucks that he doesn't get enough credit because he really is a good bassist.

Great band... they always seem to put something out that's worth listening to.

[Jetpelkey54]

just wondering, how many bpm can john pertucci play?

[PIGS(1 different one)]

I bet he can play at least 20 notes per second, I know someone who can play 16.

[Juicy_Forlorn]

I just bought the Octavarium the other day and I have to say wow! :amaze: I'm so in love with the title track! Especially that little acoustic lick around 17:50. I'm still undecided on the rest of the songs, but that one song is enough for me to like this album. I'll have to listen to it a few more times before I decide on the other songs.

[The JoZ]

Dream Theater are some of the most talented people I've heard. I own Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, Scenes From a Memory, Once In a LiveTime, and Octavarium. Those are the most impressive pieces of music I have ever heard. I wish they'd let John Myung show what he can though... it sucks that he doesn't get enough credit because he really is a good bassist.



Listen to Octavarium again and pay attention to the bass throughout it. Myung is higher in the mix, and has several cool grooves throughout the album. Still not the focus of the music like Petrucci and Rudess, but this is definetly a good album for Myung.

[The Stapler]

I can't stop listening to "These Walls". It's a poppy song, but the chorus is so catchy and I absolutely love the ending, especially when JR throws in the strings. Just an awesome song all around.

[Endless Obsession]

When all the people like John Petrucci and Mike Portnoy are soloing, what does the singer do?

[royman2001]

He goes backstage.

[DKMode]

I bet he can play at least 20 notes per second, I know someone who can play 16.
In the "As I Am" solo, he plays something like 32 notes in a bar, which is probably around 24 notes a second. he also picks all the notes, with no hammer-ons or tapping, which is much more impressive. any joker and play 20 notes a second tapping with both hands.

i havent been to the store to by Octavarium yet, but i plan on buying it tomorrow. until then, i downloaded all the tracks on limewire, however, i dont think that any of them are labelled right. they all sounds like rad songs, but i think its wrong. i read somewhere that panic attack is their fastest song so far, yet its not like that on my computer, whereas the root of all evil is very fast. if anyone could give me a brief description of the songs, that would be awesome. thanks in advance.

[christonastick]

Im thinking of going to see Dream Theater and Megadeth on the Gigantour this summer but I have a couple of questions before I buy any tickets. First of all, who is headlining? Im not really much of a Megadeth fan and Im not sure how long I would want to sit through **** I dont like to hear the REAL music. Secondly, do you think DT will be playing mostly stuff from Octavarium (which from what Ive heard so far is pretty ****in good) or do you think they will play more of their classics? If any of you have seen them on this tour already I would really love to hear what you thought of them.

[nowitzki]

DT usually play a good chunk of the album they're touring for, and throw in a few classics as well

I really wanna go to both the shows in London, its just a tricky place for me to get to which is annoying, and I'd have to stay somewhere overnight for the 2nd show.
The classic album cover should be interesting, buts its kind of hit or miss - if its an album you like it will be amazing, if its an album you don't like it may be a little boring

[Lord of Sword]

He goes backstage.

or he stands on stage shaking his maracas. i don't know why though, considering you can never even hear them. although i do have a video from the 6DOIT tour where he has his own little raised platform like Jordan, with some bongos and a table for his various percussion instruments. but he does usually go backstage during the longer instrumental sections.

[nowitzki]

There's only a handful of frontmen who can keep the crowd entertained during instrumental sections anyway (e.g. Bruce Dickinson, Freddie Mercury), and those bands dont have 10 minute plus instrumentals

[the2stranger]

I really like James LaBrie as a front man.
but I don't really think it's up to the frontman to keep the crowd going during instrumental sections, the instruments take care of that.
and if the instruments can't captured the attention of the crowd, there is something wrong with the songwritingstyle of the band.

I don't think anyone will get bored when DT plays stream of conciousness live ;)

[Ad Absurdum]

Wow, I just realised that Dream Theater were playing London! Does anyone know if they will stick in a Manchester date, or are these shows all they are going to play in UK? I really want to see them again, but I'm not sure if I will be able to get time of school and if my friends will be able to get time off work/school to go away (we're from Edinburgh, expensive trip for 15/16 year olds).

I'm definately going though, even if I'm on my own. They better play Octavarium (the song) in it's entirity, which is now officially my favourite Dream Theater song ever.

[Distorted Vision]

I just booked my ticket for London on the 25th of October. That's the second night, where they play a classic album in it's entirety. :) It's all seating though, and as far as I know it's first-come-first-served, so I don't know where I'll be sitting.

[Distorted Vision]

Wow, I just realised that Dream Theater were playing London! Does anyone know if they will stick in a Manchester date, or are these shows all they are going to play in UK?
Mike has said that there will be a Manchester date, to be announced soon.

[nowitzki]

^excellent
All seater though, not too sure about that

[the2stranger]

I just booked my ticket for London on the 25th of October. That's the second night, where they play a classic album in it's entirety. :) It's all seating though, and as far as I know it's first-come-first-served, so I don't know where I'll be sitting.


wohoo

10-11 oktober DT is in Holland, and I'm going

thta's even before you :p, don't hate me.

[Distorted Vision]

^excellent
All seater though, not too sure about that
I know, it seems a bit dodgy.

Seats = lower capacity= less revenue for the band.

I'm just glad I got tickets before they introduce that premium ticket thing they have in America.

[Mr Benners]

I just booked my ticket for London on the 25th of October. That's the second night, where they play a classic album in it's entirety. :) It's all seating though, and as far as I know it's first-come-first-served, so I don't know where I'll be sitting.

DUDE! Where/how did you get them? I cant find them anywhere :(

EDIT: Wait... found it... *feels stupid*

EDIT THE SECOND: What is nearer the stage and will give me the best view of the band? Dress circle or orchestra stalls?

[Mr Benners]

Well I well and truly slaughtered this thread, didn't I?

I'm getting that curse letmypeopleho has in the Tool thread!

[Ad Absurdum]

Mike has said that there will be a Manchester date, to be announced soon.

Damn, really shouldn't have ordered a ticket for London :lol:

It's 8th row, so maybe I can flog it to a mate for a decent price and go to the Manchester show

Edit - Orchestra stalls are nearer the stage

[Shattered_Future]

I got tickets to go see them play the Gigantour...

Should be pretty sweet, assuming the crowd cooperates...

[MAthiAS]

Is it me or does track 4 on Octavarium have a chorus like some U2 song?

[Chu]

Six Degrees of Inner Tubulence is my favourite work of theirs. It has everything, heaviness (The Glass Prison), soft (Solitary Shell), and pretty much everything inbetween. It is great :)

I really like Another Day from Images and Words, 2 of the best DT solos in this song, in my opinion.

Also, anyone who has JP's Suspended Animation: Am I the only one who wishes he would put that music towards Dream Theater? :(
Jaws of Life has one of the best opening riffs (As does Tunnel Vision), in my opinion, it would work great with Dream Theater, I dunno, I just wish they would do another Glass Prison.

[Shattered_Future]

Six Degrees of Inner Tubulence is my favourite work of theirs. It has everything, heaviness (The Glass Prison), soft (Solitary Shell), and pretty much everything inbetween. It is great :)

I really like Another Day from Images and Words, 2 of the best DT solos in this song, in my opinion.

Also, anyone who has JP's Suspended Animation: Am I the only one who wishes he would put that music towards Dream Theater? :(
Jaws of Life has one of the best opening riffs (As does Tunnel Vision), in my opinion, it would work great with Dream Theater, I dunno, I just wish they would do another Glass Prison.

The Glass Prison = best DT song I've ever heard.
I first put that on, and i was like...this is pretty cool. Then about 7 minutes through, i was like...ok, this is still good, but starting to bore me.

Then they have the solo thing towards the end, and i was like...holy crap. This guy can solo.