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juggalotricksta
04-28-2005, 07:35 PM
Thanks for speakin up everyone. ToT is one of my favorite DT albums as well. I just dont like to see such a good album bashed so ignorantly. Youre not alone JoZ :thumb:

Chu
04-28-2005, 07:50 PM
this is what petrucci sounds like. recorded from the budokan documentary, the audio and video isn't synced for some reason but you can hear him at least. you can also hear him clearly on ACOS and other songs on the live scenes from NY dvd, although at times i'd rather you couldn't.
http://s35.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1M2POMF55Y0Q63A4ZOYCM2JR26
Hey man, thanks heaps :)

Mike has pretty good vocal control, I think.

The JoZ
04-28-2005, 07:58 PM
Joz I see you backin up ToT a lot. It seems like every third person just bashes it end to end, and I just wanna say I'm with you on that one. Its no less DT than any of their other albums, just because it has a little more edge to it. I've been watching you fight this one man battle, standing up for that album, and I second your motion.

:chug:

I appreciate that. :chug:

I mean, some people probably think I hate SFAM or I&W, since I am constantly putting those albums down. It's not that I hate them, it's just I like other albums better. I like a good softer song or ballad as much as anyone, but I also like to mosh about and headbang, and Train of Thought is excellent for this.

I don't see how anyone could thing ToT is anything less than brilliant. It might not be a concept album like SFAM, but so what? The songwriting is masterful as always, and the playing is spectacular. I do concede that Petrucci seems more than content to just shred away on this album, but a guitar or keyboard solo makes up only a small part of an album, even a Dream Theater album. It's about the feel of the song, the hooks and riffs that make up a song...and I think ToT has some of their best riffage to date.

...but nothing will top the riffs in The Glass Prison ;)

vashts80
04-28-2005, 08:01 PM
I need to transcribe "In the Name of God" to a 4-string bass and learn it, that song is 'kin amazing. The best song on the album imo, Endless Sacrifice would be second.

horseypie
04-29-2005, 05:31 AM
i like scenes much better than ToT

but i only have them two
i want more

The JoZ
04-29-2005, 06:48 AM
I need to transcribe "In the Name of God" to a 4-string bass and learn it, that song is 'kin amazing. The best song on the album imo, Endless Sacrifice would be second.

I am working on a Guitar Pro file of said song.

I play it on my four string, tuned C-F-Bb-Eb, it's really pretty easy...well, most of it anyway :thumb:

jpshortstuff
04-29-2005, 07:47 AM
I appreciate that. :chug:

I mean, some people probably think I hate SFAM or I&W, since I am constantly putting those albums down. It's not that I hate them, it's just I like other albums better. I like a good softer song or ballad as much as anyone, but I also like to mosh about and headbang, and Train of Thought is excellent for this.

I don't see how anyone could thing ToT is anything less than brilliant. It might not be a concept album like SFAM, but so what? The songwriting is masterful as always, and the playing is spectacular. I do concede that Petrucci seems more than content to just shred away on this album, but a guitar or keyboard solo makes up only a small part of an album, even a Dream Theater album. It's about the feel of the song, the hooks and riffs that make up a song...and I think ToT has some of their best riffage to date.

...but nothing will top the riffs in The Glass Prison ;)

that just about sums up everything i have in mind
nothing wrong with I&W, SFAM etc all great albums
but ToT is a masterpiece as is The Glass Prison

A true DT fan would appreciate all their different types of music

im with The JoZ Crew all the way :thumb:

vashts80
04-29-2005, 03:47 PM
IMO, "In the Name of God" on the Budokan DVD is by far the most emotional performance I've seen (other than Maiden's "Blood Brothers" at Rio), even though the song is kinda like that on the album.

JoZ: Do you think .110-.95-.75-.50 would be good for a tuning like that? :x

The JoZ
04-29-2005, 03:49 PM
IMO, "In the Name of God" on the Budokan DVD is by far the most emotional performance I've seen (other than Maiden's "Blood Brothers" at Rio), even though the song is kinda like that on the album.

JoZ: Do you think .110-.95-.75-.50 would be good for a tuning like that? :x


Those gauges will do it :thumb:

juggalotricksta
04-29-2005, 05:43 PM
You have a following now :lol:

I dont know about you, but I read somewhere that Octavarium is supposed to be heavier than ToT. If thats the case, I'm friggin stoked to hear it. I love all DT, but nothing tops their heavy stuff.

jpshortstuff
04-30-2005, 11:12 AM
You have a following now :lol:

I dont know about you, but I read somewhere that Octavarium is supposed to be heavier than ToT. If thats the case, I'm friggin stoked to hear it. I love all DT, but nothing tops their heavy stuff.

god i hope thats true!

DT music is only surpased by heavy DT music.

Whered you read that anyway?

Chu
05-01-2005, 01:01 PM
Never a band to do things by halves, Dream Theater here delivers a two-disc extravaganza with a title track that clocks in at a prog-tastic 42 minutes.
Is this true? :o
That's insane!

Anyway, I've heard many people rave about The Glass Prison, so I'm thinking of getting this album, I checked Amazon, which is where I got this quote.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005UEAR/ref=pd_sim_music_3/103-1739267-7659004?v=glance&s=music

My only problem would be, I don't think I could listen to a 14 minute song.
So is this album worth it?

It seems a pretty long album.

vashts80
05-01-2005, 03:44 PM
The second disc of Six Degrees is split into 8 songs, even though it's based around one concept. The songs, afaik, are NOT directly related to each other though.

The Glass Prison is godly.

MAthiAS
05-01-2005, 03:54 PM
Its worth it for The Glass Prison, Blind Faith, and Misunderstood alone.

Chu
05-01-2005, 04:02 PM
The second disc of Six Degrees is split into 8 songs, even though it's based around one concept. The songs, afaik, are NOT directly related to each other though.

The Glass Prison is godly.
So thye second disc is 42 minutes, not the one song?
That's alright I guess.

Thanks guys :)

vashts80
05-01-2005, 06:15 PM
I just listened to the Budokan version of ItNoG and then the ToT version. Budokan > ToT. The improv solo at the end after the "Unyielding crusade/Divine revelation/Does following faith/Lead us to violence?" is amazing. I love the tapping part

comm
05-01-2005, 08:19 PM
I like Octavarium best.

Pigs3differentones
05-01-2005, 08:21 PM
I like Octavarium best.

You don't have it.

Huber
05-01-2005, 08:25 PM
You don't have it.

People labeled JLB's solo stuff as Octavarium?

Pigs3differentones
05-01-2005, 08:43 PM
Yes.

badtaste
05-03-2005, 04:23 AM
You have a following now :lol:

I dont know about you, but I read somewhere that Octavarium is supposed to be heavier than ToT. If thats the case, I'm friggin stoked to hear it. I love all DT, but nothing tops their heavy stuff.


I heard that they were returning to their more proggy roots (YEH!). Dream Theater aren't a metal band; they're prog-metal (The emphasis is in the prog).

horseypie
05-03-2005, 04:41 AM
i just want more dream theater

jpshortstuff
05-03-2005, 09:52 AM
i just want more dream theater

hear hear

Quebec
05-03-2005, 11:33 AM
The second disc of Six Degrees is split into 8 songs, even though it's based around one concept. The songs, afaik, are NOT directly related to each other though.



So thye second disc is 42 minutes, not the one song?
That's alright I guess.

The 2nd disc of 6DOIT is only one song, split into 8 parts.
http://www.dtfaq.com/category/?categoryid=21#123
http://www.dtfaq.com/category/?categoryid=21#1008 (read the last topic)

Triangle
05-03-2005, 11:56 AM
Ah Six Degrees. One of the my fav albums of all time (especially CD2). It's got everything.

juggalotricksta
05-03-2005, 03:31 PM
I agree on 6doit being one of their better works. Its definitely one of the most diverse.
My favorite DT cd is always changing though. It mostly depends on which album I have in the player at the time. Right now I cant put down SFaM.


Also NEWS FLASH! I got both Number of the Beast and Master of Puppets (the DT versions) on the way...they should be here by the end of the week.

/superstoked :thumb:

Magicaltroll
05-03-2005, 03:35 PM
I know this is probably asked way too much, but whens the new album coming out?
And does anyone know if its going to be like the previous records? Because I really liked ToT.

Chu
05-03-2005, 03:42 PM
June 7th :)

I can't help you out with how it will sound, but I hope it will be heavier and longer then Train of Thought.

RiceMonster
05-03-2005, 03:44 PM
I'm not hoping for any specific sound. Just something I'll enjoy. :thumb:

M7S
05-03-2005, 03:47 PM
I cant wait

MAthiAS
05-03-2005, 03:51 PM
I hope Octavarium is a little less straightforward than Train of Thought. While songs like As I Am and Honor Thy Father are good, IMO they don't compare to anything on 6 Degrees, Awake, or Images.

Chu
05-03-2005, 03:59 PM
While songs like As I Am and Honor Thy Father are good
They're the songs I like from Train of Thought :p
But I really like them alot.

Edit: I just read about the 'nugget' from In The Name of God, what's with that? :p

Quebec
05-03-2005, 04:22 PM
I know this is probably asked way too much, but whens the new album coming out?
And does anyone know if its going to be like the previous records? Because I really liked ToT.
http://s92621507.onlinehome.us/img/oct_countdown.html

Magicaltroll
05-03-2005, 04:43 PM
June 7th :)

I can't help you out with how it will sound, but I hope it will be heavier and longer then Train of Thought.
Yeah. that would be cool.

trev913
05-03-2005, 05:18 PM
I'd like to hear something similar to Train of Thought. But if it sounded like SFAM, I wouldn't mind that, either.
Look at the track list, though...

1. The Root Of All Evil
2. The Answer Lies Within
3. These Walls
4. I Walk Beside You
5. Panic Attack
6. Never Enough
7. Sacrificed Sons
8. Octavarium

It seems like this one could go either way. But titles like "I Walk Beside You" and "Never Enough" seem like a softer direction for the band. I dunno. Wait till the release date gets closer and we'll see what happens, I guess.

juggalotricksta
05-04-2005, 11:39 AM
Well, I have a new question...but I don't have a way to transition smoothly from the current topic. So...


Speaking of Octavarium...how do you guys pronounce "Ytse"?

The Depressed
05-04-2005, 11:43 AM
Speaking of Octavarium...how do you guys pronounce "Ytse"?

It-see. Or sometimes Yit-see. I think Portnoy says it's It-see.

juggalotricksta
05-04-2005, 11:50 AM
/thought it was yeets

:upset:

Chu
05-04-2005, 03:21 PM
Also NEWS FLASH! I got both Number of the Beast and Master of Puppets (the DT versions) on the way...they should be here by the end of the week.

/superstoked :thumb:
Are they studio albums, or Live recordings? I have Master of Puppets Live, and it kicks total ***. So much better then the original.

vashts80
05-04-2005, 03:31 PM
They're both live. The NOTB one is from Paris IIRC

Endless Obsession
05-04-2005, 06:09 PM
I just saw the Master of Puppets video that DT did. I noticed that Mike Portnoy had 3 bass drums. Why is this?

Quebec
05-04-2005, 06:17 PM
I just saw the Master of Puppets video that DT did. I noticed that Mike Portnoy had 3 bass drums. Why is this?
Because there's 2 seats behind his kit, due to the amount of equipment he has, and he had to have 3 bass drum to be able to play double bass on both seats.
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/about/drums/siam1024wide.jpg

jimiandangus12
05-04-2005, 07:11 PM
I love the song In the Name of God, it has great lyrics IMO. I also can't wait for Octavarium

juggalotricksta
05-05-2005, 07:56 PM
For anyone who is turned off by LaBrie's vocals...

When I first got into DT he did nothing but get in the way for me. I thought his vocals were nothing but unnecessary. I relished any instrumental sections, and cringed at any vocal sections (minus a few tracks ie. The Spirit Carries On, and 6:00).

However, after giving When Dream and Day Unite a thorough listen, and hearing how Dominici sang...I now have a whole new appreciation for LaBrie. It's laughable how bad the vocals were before he came along. Now I actually like his voice, and I would suggest checking out WDADU to anyone that doesnt.

And now, consequently, I am seriously considering picking up The Element of Persuasion. Does anyone have any feedback on that album that may be useful to me before buying it? I like the heavier side of DT, and I've heard that it leans a little towards that sound.

Any thoughts and comments would be much appreciated!

Thanks :thumb:



ps...seriously. Dominici had to have been a joke.

The JoZ
05-05-2005, 08:04 PM
^^ This man speaks the truth. Dominici was a horrible vocalist.

I understand LaBrie might not be for everyone, but compared to Dominici, the man is super awesome as opposed to just awesome :cool:

Chu
05-05-2005, 08:07 PM
Or if the vocals just drive you away completely, why not get Liquid Tension Experiment :cool:

Strum
05-05-2005, 08:08 PM
I bought a DT album about a month ago, I don't really like it. :(


Too much like Metallica. :-/

Quebec
05-05-2005, 08:10 PM
I bought a DT album about a month ago, I don't really like it. :(


Too much like Metallica. :-/
Was it Train of thought?

Strum
05-05-2005, 08:13 PM
Was it Train of thought?

I don't remember, I think it is.

It had like 5 songs on it, if that helps.

White Goodman
05-05-2005, 08:14 PM
Well I mean Dream Theater is influenced a lot by Metallica. That may be why they have covered the entire Master of Puppets cd live. I think that says it all right there.

The JoZ
05-05-2005, 08:17 PM
I don't remember, I think it is.

It had like 5 songs on it, if that helps.

Did it have two discs?

If so, it was Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.

If not, did it have covers? If so, it was A Change of Seasons.

If it was neither, it was Train of Thought :cool:

Strum
05-05-2005, 08:27 PM
It must have been Train of Thought. :)


But don't get me wrong, it's not a bad album. It just didn't seem to have anything original to offer.

Chu
05-05-2005, 09:27 PM
if it sounds like Metallica, it's asif Metallica all got better :confused:
The intro to Honour Thy Father for example, I don't think we could ever see Lars do anything like that.

Magicaltroll
05-05-2005, 10:49 PM
Man, in the Glass Prison, the solo around like 2:20 is just plain awesome.

Just thought I would share :D

EDIT- What album is the song Trail Of Tears on? I love this song, but I only have the Live In Budokan version :/

bball_1523
05-06-2005, 01:29 AM
Man, in the Glass Prison, the solo around like 2:20 is just plain awesome.

Just thought I would share :D

EDIT- What album is the song Trail Of Tears on? I love this song, but I only have the Live In Budokan version :/


the song is on "falling Into Infinity." I need to listen to that album more even though at first, I think it sounds a bit cheaper than the rest of their stuff.

bball_1523
05-06-2005, 01:31 AM
I bought a DT album about a month ago, I don't really like it. :(


Too much like Metallica. :-/

I don't know how DT sounds a lot like metallica, but I know they were influenced by them in some ways.

anyways, if you wanna get a good album by DT, get "Images and Words" or "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence," I think you might like those two.

Quebec
05-06-2005, 07:01 AM
the song is on "falling Into Infinity." I need to listen to that album more even though at first, I think it sounds a bit cheaper than the rest of their stuff.
I remember hearing JP on the "5 years in a life time" commentary saying that it was really well produced.

badtaste
05-06-2005, 08:09 AM
I just saw the Master of Puppets video that DT did. I noticed that Mike Portnoy had 3 bass drums. Why is this?

It's just two drumkits combined together. One is a double bass drum kit. the other is a single bassdrum kit (it has a double chain pedal nonetheless).

IvortheEngineDriver
05-06-2005, 10:35 AM
Anyone know what album "Cover My Eyes" is off of? They do a live recording on the "5 years in a lifetime" DVD at that Rotterdam Jam. I really like the song, would like better production. Can anyone help me?

Triangle
05-06-2005, 11:31 AM
the song is on "falling Into Infinity." I need to listen to that album more even though at first, I think it sounds a bit cheaper than the rest of their stuff.
Yeah, it's got some great tracks on there but the other half is just... meh. Lines In The Sand is one of my fav DT tracks though.

--

Apparently these are the Octavarium track times.

The Root Of All Evil - 8.07
The Answer Lies Within - 5.26
These Walls - 6.59
I Walk Beside You - 4.29
Panic Attack - 7.16
Never Enough - 6.33
Sacrificed Sons - 10.42
Octavarium - 24.00

The title track = wow.

juggalotricksta
05-06-2005, 02:47 PM
Where did you get those times from? It looks promising either way...obviously track times alone don't tell you much about songs or albums, but while it was unlikely that they were really going to break away from long, epic songs, it's always reassuring to see that they haven't gone mad and made an album full of 4 minute songs. Anything over 20 minutes is massive, obviously, so it's nice to see that they've got something like that on there as well. It sounds stupid, but it always amazes me that individual members can remember their parts to perfection in songs that long, especially given the complexity of the music that DT play. Anyway, good stuff.


Nicely put. I still cant understand how they can remember all that stuff. It blows me away every time.

hope_leaves
05-06-2005, 05:39 PM
Anyone know what album "Cover My Eyes" is off of? They do a live recording on the "5 years in a lifetime" DVD at that Rotterdam Jam. I really like the song, would like better production. Can anyone help me?

If you are able to find a copy of their Fan Club CD from 1998, the same live version of "Cover My Eyes" from the "Livetime" DVD is on there. The studio version is only available on their 1999 Fan Club CD, along with a bunch of other unreleased songs, like "Speak to Me," one of my personal favorites. These are very hard to find, though, but well worth it if you do find them.

Triangle
05-07-2005, 03:39 AM
Where did you get those times from?
http://www.bol.de/shop/bde_homestartseite/artikeldetails/ID6387133.html

Found it on the DT forums.

Can't wait, personally.

Soul Reaper
05-07-2005, 07:27 AM
Dream Theater are one of my favourite bands at the moment. I knew about John Petrucci before getting Images And Words, I knew how good he was.

I got Images and Words and I can't stop listening to it, it's great. I recently got Awake and that too is a great album.

I also got Live At Budokan DVD, awesome concert. Great musicianship going on there. Anyone else got that DVD?

Anyone know which album to get next?

jpshortstuff
05-07-2005, 08:44 AM
Anyone know which album to get next?

go for Scenes From A Memory, A Change Of Seasons or Falling Into Infinity
their newer albums are heavier so go for these if you want the prog rock stuff

vashts80
05-07-2005, 09:30 AM
Get Scenes from a Memory, ACOS, or Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence :x

Magicaltroll
05-07-2005, 11:14 AM
Dream Theater are one of my favourite bands at the moment. I knew about John Petrucci before getting Images And Words, I knew how good he was.

I got Images and Words and I can't stop listening to it, it's great. I recently got Awake and that too is a great album.

I also got Live At Budokan DVD, awesome concert. Great musicianship going on there. Anyone else got that DVD?

Anyone know which album to get next?
Yeah, I have that DVD also.
It's really good, I can never sit through the whjole thing though :p
I always watch the first few songs, then after that I skip around on it and stuff.

vashts80
05-07-2005, 12:48 PM
Where's the breakdown 1-0-0-0 riff? Is that before the

"Enter the door
Desperate
Fighting no more
Help me restore
To my sanity
At this temple of hope

I need to learn
Teach me how
Sorrow to burn
Help me return
To humanity
I'll be fearless and thorough
The enter this temple of hope"

part? Or where is it? Some kind of time code would be nice :x

MNbassist78
05-07-2005, 01:31 PM
The breakdown riff starts around 5:50 :thumb:

vashts80
05-07-2005, 01:42 PM
Yup, I thought it was that

clown_phobia
05-08-2005, 02:07 AM
please recommend me one song to make up my mind about them

hope_leaves
05-08-2005, 06:50 PM
please recommend me one song to make up my mind about them

That's hard to say...they have so many great songs and they're a pretty diverse band. If I had to pick just one, would say that "Pull Me Under" is a good introduction to them, though.

Quebec
05-08-2005, 07:11 PM
I would say A Change Of Seasons as an introduction to anyone who is interested in Dream Theater, as it's one of my favourite songs ever recorded. It's got everything that makes the band great...instrumental virtuoso soloing (listen to Petrucci go at times during it), but not to an extent where it could put off prospective new fans of the band; a really epic song structure- it is 23 minutes long after all, and it's also clearly about something. People's exact interpretations can differ, but it's about a definite theme. Put it this way; have you ever heard of a Dream Theater fan that DOESN'T like A Change Of Seasons? Having said that someone'll come in here now and say that they don't, but I can definitely recommend that song as a starting point for the band.
You're right, dude. This song clearly shows the virtuoso elements, the melodic element and the soft & heavy elements that make this band a great one.
:thumb:

jpshortstuff
05-09-2005, 11:24 AM
Put it this way; have you ever heard of a Dream Theater fan that DOESN'T like A Change Of Seasons? Having said that someone'll come in here now and say that they don't, but I can definitely recommend that song as a starting point for the band.

im a huge DT fan but for some reason ive never got round to getting ACOS. Everyone says its one of their best works but i probably shied away from it as im not such a huge fan of their earlier prog stuff and noticed the date and the... oh im sorry /breaks down into tears. So can a worthy DT fan tell exactly what ACOS is like and which albums it is most similar to?

3rdplanet
05-09-2005, 03:37 PM
im a huge DT fan but for some reason ive never got round to getting ACOS. Everyone says its one of their best works but i probably shied away from it as im not such a huge fan of their earlier prog stuff and noticed the date and the... oh im sorry /breaks down into tears. So can a worthy DT fan tell exactly what ACOS is like and which albums it is most similar to?

Probably most similar to Scenes from a Memory, I think so anyway.

This is a question for the people from England/Britian, when was the first time you people heard about Dream Theater?

Triangle
05-09-2005, 04:26 PM
Probably most similar to Scenes from a Memory, I think so anyway.

This is a question for the people from England/Britian, when was the first time you people heard about Dream Theater?
Hmm, probably about a year ago on this forum. At first I was like- what's going on?? but it soon grew on me. La Brie look a while to get used to though, I admit.

vashts80
05-09-2005, 04:30 PM
The first time for me, even though I live in the US, was on here...I hadn't heard about them at all before, and then I read about them on here but never bothered to check them out. I then saw the Pull Me Under video on Headbanger's Ball a few weeks later and was like "I like this band." I loved Train of Thought, so I got more of their stuff.

LaBrie didn't take long for me to warm up to. I had listened to stuff like Maiden and Iced Earth (Owens, not Barlow) and his voice wasn't all that different in terms of pitch from either of their voices.

Shattered_Future
05-09-2005, 07:33 PM
please recommend me one song to make up my mind about them

The Glass Prison.

Long, strong, heavy, melodic, kickass solo...everything.

knockwurst_myband
05-09-2005, 08:08 PM
The Glass Prison.

Long, strong, heavy, melodic, kickass solo...everything.
and ytse jam :) (4 solo's in it i think)

knockwurst_myband
05-09-2005, 08:11 PM
I can upload the title song for you tomorrow if you want...personally I'd say that's the only thing really worth getting on the album, as the covers are mediocre at best. It's probably most like Scenes From A Memory though (based on what I've heard, anyway).



On this forum. Literally, I had never heard of them before signing up here, and still wouldn't have done, as I've never seen them mentioned on any of the non-Internet things I read/listen to about music. Quite remarkable, given their popularity here, but there we go. I've never really got the fuss about LaBrie's vocals, personally. Sure, he's not the best vocalist of all time, or anything like that, but he's far far better than people credit him for at times. I've read stuff about his singing which makes it sound as if he couldn't hit a note if his life depended on it, and that's utter rubbish.
compared to alot of vocalists today labrie has a great voice, and the other members are great musicians as well. and i heard about them from friends

Spiritofmosa
05-10-2005, 08:33 AM
i listened to few tracks like 'lost without you' 'the glass prison' 'metropolis' as a beginner which dt album do you recommend?

Kurrpt
05-10-2005, 08:34 AM
and ytse jam :) (4 solo's in it i think)


this is the song that got me hooked :thumb:


anyone learning it besides me. I finally trabbed the one part i couldnt find tab for. I was giddy

hope_leaves
05-10-2005, 06:31 PM
i listened to few tracks like 'lost without you' 'the glass prison' 'metropolis' as a beginner which dt album do you recommend?

I personally recommend Images & Words or Awake, my two favorites. I'd say the two not to get, as an introduction, would be Falling Into Infinity or Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. Both albums are still good (only because I love anything DT does), but they are not representative of DT's overall sound.

3rdplanet
05-10-2005, 06:37 PM
On this forum. Literally, I had never heard of them before signing up here, and still wouldn't have done, as I've never seen them mentioned on any of the non-Internet things I read/listen to about music.

This is what I was trying to get at, I had never heard of this band before MF, yet they seem to have a decent American following. Well decent when compared to the English following.

Size for Size ratios and what not too.

The JoZ
05-10-2005, 07:09 PM
I would say A Change Of Seasons as an introduction to anyone who is interested in Dream Theater, as it's one of my favourite songs ever recorded. It's got everything that makes the band great...instrumental virtuoso soloing (listen to Petrucci go at times during it), but not to an extent where it could put off prospective new fans of the band; a really epic song structure- it is 23 minutes long after all, and it's also clearly about something. People's exact interpretations can differ, but it's about a definite theme. Put it this way; have you ever heard of a Dream Theater fan that DOESN'T like A Change Of Seasons? Having said that someone'll come in here now and say that they don't, but I can definitely recommend that song as a starting point for the band.

As a whole, I like ACOS...but there are certain movements of the song (Carpe Diem comes to mind) that I like less than others.

Innocence is definetly my favorite.

Per Ardua Ad Astra
05-10-2005, 07:35 PM
Apparently my friend got the song 'The answer lies within' from Ares of the new album that hasn't been released yet. I'm wondering if anyone else has heard this, i'm still skeptical to whether it is real or not. Labries vocals are there, fast guitar solo, it actually sounds like Linkin Park but with a solo.

Anyone?

juggalotricksta
05-10-2005, 07:49 PM
It might be from Elements Of Persuasion...thats been happening quite a bit.

HighasAkite
05-11-2005, 12:03 PM
As of the moment I have downloaded Sacrificed Sons and Octavarium

Both songs are around 5:00mins long and well are heavy but not quite ToT heavy. Its more a mix of old DT with heavy-ness, I don't know its hard to put but i'm uploading the songs on You Send It and should be ready in a few minutes.

HighasAkite
05-11-2005, 12:07 PM
Ok heres Sacraficed Sons

http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=37BVWEVEKGDNK0OK4ZRQQ3R2P6

Octavarium

http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=37BVWEVEKGDNK0OK4ZRQQ3R2P6

Firecracker
05-11-2005, 12:08 PM
i'm obsessed with Regression and Through Her Eyes at the moment. Love them.

HighasAkite
05-11-2005, 12:47 PM
Come on someone check it out

Kurrpt
05-11-2005, 12:50 PM
im downloading the one, are they both dream theater songs from the new album? cause ill download the other

The Depressed
05-11-2005, 12:52 PM
http://www.bol.de/shop/bde_homestartseite/artikeldetails/ID6387133.html

Samples of the new DT album. If what you have isn't those lengths and doesn't sound like that, you haven't downloaded the new album.

HighasAkite
05-11-2005, 01:02 PM
I'm sure there from the new album

HighasAkite
05-11-2005, 01:05 PM
Heres The Root of all Evil

http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2ZTU18ZBAZX2F0CO0DPF4TYADM

juggalotricksta
05-11-2005, 01:16 PM
Somethings fishy here...I thought Octavarium was supposed to be like 24 minutes long?

HighasAkite
05-11-2005, 01:18 PM
Well I don't know..its definitly Dream Theater

juggalotricksta
05-11-2005, 01:41 PM
Are you sure its not LaBrie's solo stuff?

HighasAkite
05-11-2005, 01:47 PM
No i'm not

But did John Petrucci play on his solo album/

The Depressed
05-11-2005, 02:02 PM
I'm sure they're from the new album.

No, it's not DT, it's Elements Of Persuasion by James LaBrie, and Petrucci did NOT play on his album.

Hell, the guitar playing doesn't sound like JP's, there aren't any fancy keyboard sections of JR's, and it's pretty much total 4/4, which isn't DT at all. It's completely obvious it's NOT DT.

HighasAkite
05-11-2005, 02:28 PM
Well yep i'm an idiot sorry for the false hopes, or not cause now we can hope that the new album will be better then that

Kurrpt
05-11-2005, 02:36 PM
so none of those were DT.....what the hell did i download????

juggalotricksta
05-11-2005, 02:48 PM
You downloaded LaBrie's solo material.


Can I ask what would be so horrible about waiting for the actual release date??

Triangle
05-11-2005, 03:13 PM
I love the sound of the new songs from the samples. Now I really cannot wait.

hyper22
05-12-2005, 01:58 AM
I'm pretty sure the samples on bol.de are the real thing. A staff member of mine posted this on our site last night:

http://www.crimsonsunrise.com/shownews/10

Check it out. You need realplayer to hear them.

http://www.bol.de/shop/bde_homestartseite/artikeldetails/ID6387133.html

Click the buttons which say "horen."

And this a few days before:

http://www.crimsonsunrise.com/shownews/9
Taken from bol.de, one of the biggest online shops in the world.

1. The Root Of All Evil 08:07
2. The Answer Lies Within 05:26
3. These Walls 06:59
4. I Walk Beside You 04:29
5. Panic Attack 06:16
6. Never Enough 06:33
7. Sacrificed Sons 10:42
8. Octavarium 24:00

Evidently, the 25-minute-long title track rumour originating from the Chris Jericho radio interview was accurate.

Also, on a supplementary note, an interview on ytsejam.com has revealed that James Labrie has supplied lyrics to two songs on the album. =P

So there's two news articles involving bol.de. The staff member owns Elements of Pursuasion and says the samples available there are not from LaBrie's album.

3rdplanet
05-12-2005, 04:39 AM
"James Labrie has supplied lyrics to two songs on the album"

That's pretty cool.

The Depressed
05-12-2005, 08:58 AM
The chorus to These Walls sounds immense. I love the sound of the keyboard. I think it may be the Continuum (sp?) thing that JR is using for the record.

Cain
05-12-2005, 11:13 AM
"James Labrie has supplied lyrics to two songs on the album"

That's pretty cool.

He supplied lyrics for two songs on 6DOIT too. For all we know, that's a quota. :lol:

"No, James, how many times do we have to tell you? The point is that we dominate musically over you AND lyrically over you! It just wouldn't be Dream Theater otherwise!"

Triangle
05-12-2005, 11:50 AM
He supplied lyrics for two songs on 6DOIT too. For all we know, that's a quota. :lol:

"No, James, how many times do we have to tell you? The point is that we dominate musically over you AND lyrically over you! It just wouldn't be Dream Theater otherwise!"
:lol: Trust them to say that.

3rdplanet
05-12-2005, 12:49 PM
He supplied lyrics for two songs on 6DOIT too.

I did not know this, which songs were they?

M7S
05-12-2005, 01:06 PM
"James Labrie has supplied lyrics to two songs on the album"

That's pretty cool.

:lol: :naughty:

The Depressed
05-12-2005, 01:22 PM
I did not know this, which songs were they?

Blind Faith and Disappear. Great tracks.

juggalotricksta
05-12-2005, 07:47 PM
OK thread recussitation time...


What album would you guys like to see DT cover next?


Personally I think it would be badass if they did 2112 or Moving Pictures.


edit: changed my mind...Rush's self titled album would be better. :thumb:

Quebec
05-12-2005, 08:00 PM
OK thread recussitation time...


What album would you guys like to see DT cover next?


Personally I think it would be badass if they did 2112 or Moving Pictures.


edit: changed my mind...Rush's self titled album would be better. :thumb:
Maybe "reign in blood" by slayer ... Would be weird... or "aenema" by tool

hyper22
05-12-2005, 09:37 PM
Is it just me or did they take down the samples? Oh well, I have them all saved on my computer anyway.

horseypie
05-13-2005, 04:44 AM
'lookin out my back door' by clerence clearwater would be the funniest song for DT to cover......definitely

Pigs3differentones
05-13-2005, 02:43 PM
OK thread recussitation time...


What album would you guys like to see DT cover next?


Personally I think it would be badass if they did 2112 or Moving Pictures.


edit: changed my mind...Rush's self titled album would be better. :thumb:

They could probably pull out some great Rush songs. YYZ would sound sick.

6 String Bassist
05-13-2005, 04:34 PM
I only question why DT needs to cover any other bands songs. Keep up the mastering of the modes and scales. And write some more of the most advanced music since Rush and Yes. Let that Berkley and Juliard education shine through.

juggalotricksta
05-14-2005, 10:59 AM
You have a point...nothing tops DT's original work IMO. Buts its a cool surprise to hear their take on other popular bands' music too. Thats why I don't get people ranking on the second half of A Change Of Seasons...I think its badass to hear DT doing Queen!




just for the record:

DT originals>>>>>>>DT covers

BradyEB
05-14-2005, 10:22 PM
Hey guys
Little DT help. In the Instrumedley they play Paradigm Shift then another LTE (i think) song which is amazing. Im wonderring what that next song is called?

funk_metalguitarist
05-15-2005, 02:53 AM
Hey guys
Little DT help. In the Instrumedley they play Paradigm Shift then another LTE (i think) song which is amazing. Im wonderring what that next song is called?

Universal mind is what you're looking for.
By the way I got Live at Budokan today. It rips their Metropolis 2000 dvd in my opinion (even though that was still utterly amazing). I eargasmed like 5 times while watching it :D.

M7S
05-15-2005, 04:05 AM
hehe nice dude, I only own the metropolis dvd ( from the dvds )

badtaste
05-15-2005, 04:14 AM
I only question why DT needs to cover any other bands songs. Keep up the mastering of the modes and scales. And write some more of the most advanced music since Rush and Yes. Let that Berkley and Juliard education shine through.

I think it's neat whenever DT does cover songs. It's just a nice break from playing their usual songs.

I would love to see another ACOS style album (minus the token epic) containing cover songs, and song medleys.

3rdplanet
05-15-2005, 07:07 AM
They could probably pull out some great Rush songs. YYZ would sound sick.

They have done a cover of YYZ.

hyper22
05-15-2005, 02:38 PM
Universal mind is what you're looking for.
By the way I got Live at Budokan today. It rips their Metropolis 2000 dvd in my opinion (even though that was still utterly amazing). I eargasmed like 5 times while watching it :D.

I think if Portnoy did the Metropolis DVD a little better (left out all those trippy visuals), it'd have been a lot better. I absolutely love that DVD, but the epileptic parts coupled with the amateur effects got old. The Budokan DVD is excellent and professionally done, but I think the set was a little more boring. I'd have to watch it again, though.

3rdplanet
05-15-2005, 05:48 PM
The Budokan DVD is really tasteful, I love the shot of the train flying past in the documentary part...I think it's in the documentary part anyway.

HNLzerobanretrieve
05-15-2005, 07:34 PM
WHOA, on the front of page of






























wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Copeland
05-15-2005, 07:46 PM
Guess who has Octavarium.

Go ahead, be jealous.

Magicaltroll
05-15-2005, 08:10 PM
Guess who has Octavarium.

Go ahead, be jealous.
Ok... does anyone know if it really has leaked yet?

3rdplanet
05-16-2005, 01:23 AM
WHOA, on the front of page of






























wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

:eek: !

vashts80
05-16-2005, 02:13 AM
Ok... does anyone know if it really has leaked yet?

Not in the scene, no, it has not been leaked. Here's an example to see how fast the scene is. When With Teeth was leaked, it was released in the scene an hour after it was leaked.

demon_LLAMA
05-16-2005, 03:21 AM
I think DT should cover something challenging for a change, something like SymphonyX.

hope_leaves
05-16-2005, 11:53 AM
I've always thought DT should cover Rush's 2112...also maybe a Yes album (not very familiar with Yes, so I can't name one in particular, Fragile's the only one I have)...or an entire Zeppelin album would be cool...any one would sound tremendous. Or Deep Purple.

vashts80
05-16-2005, 12:51 PM
I love This Dying Soul now. And Metropolis. :D

MAthiAS
05-16-2005, 01:07 PM
I think DT should cover something challenging for a change, something like SymphonyX.
Agreed...

the2stranger
05-16-2005, 03:19 PM
I would like to see DT cover Arcturus, although I don't know if James has the range anymore to keep up with Garm

MAthiAS
05-16-2005, 03:33 PM
They should cover some Nevermore. I really only say that because I'm listening to them now.

pwal
05-16-2005, 06:57 PM
i think DT should cover Close to the Edge from Yes.. which IMO is one of the craziest psychadelic song ever made... or villa strangiato from rush cuz it has some kinda mexican groove to it and earing DT doing something like that would be realy different

JamieSomething
05-17-2005, 01:27 AM
as far as songs DT has done
the MOP bootlegs
*just happens to have a mixed version of Sanitarium* you can hear everything, soooo, much, better

and I believe they did Red Barchetta..atleast..it sounds like Labrie, really does

and they should do the entire version of Bohemian Rhapsody, c'mon, you hafta admit, that'd be hella tight

badtaste
05-17-2005, 07:05 AM
I hear 'Panic Attack' and 'These Walls' have received radio play already.

Quite interesting. Personally, I'm waiting it out until the album comes out. Listening to a new song would sorta be like watching the trailer to Attack of the Clones too many times: you're only punishing yourself.

bassist-bmxer
05-17-2005, 07:22 AM
I would like to see DT cover Yes-Roundabout, that would be really cool.

The Forgotten Bassist
05-17-2005, 07:25 AM
I tend to agree. Portnoy is very technically capable, but there seems to be a bit of stagnation setting in as far as the level of creativity he has when constructing his beats on recent releases, particularly Train of Thought. Personally, I think our Sonor posterboy, Danny Carey, beats the crap out of Portnoy any day of the week, but Portnoy is still very good. He may, however, (dare I say it?) be declining. But hey, if Neil Peart can take drum lessons, so can Mikey.

I wouldn't say he is declining but yeah, recently his drum beats have all been suspiciously similar.

The Forgotten Bassist
05-17-2005, 07:33 AM
wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

wtf :amaze: :confused:

Kurrpt
05-17-2005, 07:55 AM
does anyone know if the album leaked yet

JamieSomething
05-17-2005, 03:27 PM
not thinking so...buuut..just keep waiting..

Josh
05-17-2005, 04:23 PM
does anyone know if the album leaked yet
just wait, and get a genuine copy.

/isn't a pirate

FlyingPaul_83
05-17-2005, 10:42 PM
Watch this,

http://s20.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=35IOZI15AC3IE2NJDSG472PDFS

horseypie
05-18-2005, 05:27 AM
y duz everyone have to keep getting leaked files????
why not do what is right and legal and wait until its released....THEN download it

ArcLite
05-18-2005, 05:32 AM
So I just listened to Johnny P's solo album Suspended Animation yesterday...Amazing album. I think it took hold of my number one instumental album slot. Great playing goes without saying, but there were some incredible melodies in there. Thumbs up to Petrucci.

The JoZ
05-18-2005, 07:26 AM
wtf :amaze: :confused:

The main page had Dream Theater on it the other day.

And I've heard samples of Octavarium, but I don't think they work anymore.

I like what I heard, although it appears this album will be less heavy than Train of Thought. Some are comparing it to SFAM in terms of sound, and I guess that would be accurate...although I personally think it sounds like a little SFAM, a little Awake, a little ToT...but we'll see.

It's really hard to tell, I mean, Octavarium is 24 minutes long...a 30 second clip cannot possibly accurately represent the whole song :p

juggalotricksta
05-18-2005, 12:14 PM
I like what I heard, although it appears this album will be less heavy than Train of Thought. Some are comparing it to SFAM in terms of sound, and I guess that would be accurate...although I personally think it sounds like a little SFAM, a little Awake, a little ToT...but we'll see.

That would be ok with me...SFAM is number one on my DT chart so a similar sounding album would be great. Although they can really do no wrong IMO.

Biancazzurri
05-18-2005, 12:45 PM
what is the octavarium meaning?

juggalotricksta
05-18-2005, 07:04 PM
I just ordered Suspended Animation...can anybody tell me what to expect?

/superstoked :thumb:



Ps I was also wondering about Transatlantic...has anyone listened to it that wants to share some opinions? I'm wondering if its worth picking up...

JamieSomething
05-19-2005, 12:30 AM
Octavarium..well
pretty much, it's their 'eigth' full lengthed album
pretty much their eigth album
it's following a trend..
Six Degrees was, their sixth album
Train of Thought had, seven songs
Octavarium is their eigth album
with, eight songs

now..I noticed something..
Octavarium, the song, is 24 minutes long

A Change of Seasons is, roughly 24 minutes, it has, seven songs sequing into the next
Octavarium, Octa meaning..eight
..
do I sense a continuation?

FlyingPaul_83
05-19-2005, 12:34 AM
twenty four minutes long, holy sh*t, i can't even pay attention to anything for that long.

pizzapie88
05-19-2005, 12:41 AM
Sorry for another question about the release of octavarium but... does it come out worldwide on June 7 or just in america?

JamieSomething
05-19-2005, 12:50 AM
dunno..probably America, but..'ll go look

pwal
05-19-2005, 11:10 AM
hey here is a short clip i took from one of portnoy's video
take a look at it... i think hes better with transatlantic than with DT

http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2C3TTM12R6GLC3MM6D5SCXTVQW

M7S
05-19-2005, 11:21 AM
I just ordered Suspended Animation...can anybody tell me what to expect?

/superstoked :thumb:

Can tell you that in 2 words :

****ING AWESOME

juggalotricksta
05-19-2005, 12:34 PM
Can tell you that in 2 words :

****ING AWESOME


Those two words sound good to me.
Is there anything you can compare it to?


ERGH now its gonna be even harder to wait two weeks for it to arrive...

horseypie
05-20-2005, 05:20 AM
full wish i was rich/had money and could be bothered to go out and buy dt albums

and **** hmv never having anything dream theater related whenever i want it

as a matter of fact **** life...
**** john petrucci for being so ****ing fast
**** jordan rudess and his ****ed piano virtuosity
**** james labrie for having a good voice
**** john myung for looking funny and asian
and **** creedence clearwater for getting their songs stuck in my head


thankyou im finished now

Lord Abortion
05-20-2005, 05:54 AM
I am getting really excited at the new album- sounds like it will be another stunning effort

Otherside
05-20-2005, 07:24 AM
Thanks for the upload. :) Personally I've always though Portnoy is a bit overrated by a lot of people...he's a good drummer, but not one of the best around today, as a lot of people say he is. Especially given the talent which he plays with in Dream Theater, I'd say he's definitely behind Petrucci and Ruddess in terms of actual instrumental talent.

There is a big awe-factor involved with his hype, the drum set he playes on is insanly well set up. All the drummers I know, when I showed them Live at Budokan, their jaws litterally dropped when they saw his huge set. But then again, I'm not in much of a position to say how good he is or is not, seeing as I know next to nothing about drums.

bassist-bmxer
05-20-2005, 09:29 AM
I am getting really excited at the new album- sounds like it will be another stunning effort
123..

Does anyone know if the UK tour dates have been confirmed yet?

Lord Abortion
05-20-2005, 09:37 AM
portnoy's siamese monster kit is amazing

I read an interview with him in rhythm magazine last year, discussing ToT interesting it was

Happy
05-20-2005, 09:39 AM
I think Dream Theater needs that interval. I heard they sometimes play 30 songs.

Lord Abortion
05-20-2005, 09:41 AM
yeah... it will be amazing.

I really hope I don't have to go all the way to london to see them though that would be difficult.

Where did they go on the last tour?

ElectricalStorm
05-20-2005, 10:55 AM
first two tracks of octavarium found here:

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342832

This 100% the real deal. The songs definitely have a heavy sound and I like both quite a bit. :thumb:

red barchetta
05-20-2005, 11:10 AM
yeah... it will be amazing.

I really hope I don't have to go all the way to london to see them though that would be difficult.

Where did they go on the last tour?
i think they went to london and manchester. i think...

looks like they're gonna come over to the uk around november.

Lord Abortion
05-20-2005, 11:10 AM
ah well- manchester here I come

pwal
05-20-2005, 11:51 AM
I think Dream Theater needs that interval. I heard they sometimes play 30 songs.

they usually play like 3h or 3h and a half

such beasts :D

Biancazzurri
05-20-2005, 01:52 PM
and between the songs they start to beat the **** out of their instruments with improvisations... cool for sure

bassist-bmxer
05-20-2005, 03:25 PM
i think they went to london and manchester. i think...

looks like they're gonna come over to the uk around november.
I hope they play at the Brighton Dome, because then I could get free tickets :D

vashts80
05-20-2005, 04:49 PM
The ToT kit is amazing (I think that's the Siamese Monster one, not sure though)

3 kicks, two snares, and a bunch of toms and cymbals. It's amazing. Not to mention the octobans.

Chu
05-22-2005, 07:52 PM
I'm really liking the bassist (John Myung?) after hearing The Ytse Jam (?) as well as his obvious contributions to alot of their other songs, so I did some reading up on him, and I read a web site that said something about Myung knocking LaBrie over or something, what happened? Or was it a hoax..
Edit: Here (http://www.neilomac.ndo.co.uk/rudt/myungincident.jpg)'s a picture of the apparant incident...

Edit: I was also looking for other songs which have good bass :)

funk_metalguitarist
05-23-2005, 04:20 AM
^^^
I heard someone dared JM to tackle Labrie on stage. That's how it happened :lol:
For Myung's bass work, check out Metropolis pt 1, the dance of eternity, scarred and the spirit carries on.

horseypie
05-23-2005, 05:20 AM
lol....mike portnoy looks funny in the background

jamesclelland
05-23-2005, 09:45 AM
I can't seem to navigate there site very well (i'm not the sharpest knife around) but anyway are they doing an american tour? i saw a european tour, but there is no way in hell i'm traveling to europe to see them. Maybe to another state or BC but not across the pond.

the2stranger
05-23-2005, 11:25 AM
^^^
I heard someone dared JM to tackle Labrie on stage. That's how it happened :lol:
For Myung's bass work, check out Metropolis pt 1, the dance of eternity, scarred and the spirit carries on.


true, and we always thought myung was such a quiet polite guy, he can pul of some unecspected trciks form time to time :p
the best part is, myung kept palying when he tackled James :D

on another note:
does Myung play chapman stick on Budokan?, if yes, on which tracks?

Trev
05-23-2005, 11:38 AM
Yeah he does. I'll find the track now, I think its from Six Degrees though.

Edit - New Millenium, I think thats the only one, maybe not though.

joas
05-23-2005, 11:50 AM
The intro to Panic Attack is quite cool. Sounds like they're still using C standard on this one (that or a seven..).

ElectricalStorm
05-23-2005, 02:05 PM
I can't seem to navigate there site very well (i'm not the sharpest knife around) but anyway are they doing an american tour? i saw a european tour, but there is no way in hell i'm traveling to europe to see them. Maybe to another state or BC but not across the pond.

They're doing Gigantour with Megadeth and a slew of other bands--including Symphony X. Gigantour is a U.S. tour but I don't think many dates/cities have been announced yet.

trev913
05-23-2005, 02:07 PM
Yeah. I hope dearly they'll come back to St. Louis. I'd love to see them.

vashts80
05-23-2005, 03:34 PM
Does anybody have the lyrics for 'These Walls"?

Werny
05-24-2005, 03:08 AM
I am uncontrollably hooked on these guys at the moment, I was correct, they do have to grow on me.

Stream of Consciousness is the greatest song of all time. The most emotional playing ever.

I don't like Scenes From A Memory or the second half of Images & Words, but 6DOIT, A Change of Seasons and Train of Thought are hardcore. I love the keyboards, and (with the exception of the rapping in Honor Thy Father and the ridiculous attempt at sounding death in This Dying Soul) the vocals especially.

Lord Abortion
05-24-2005, 04:18 AM
i have now come to the conclusion that scenes from a memory is amazing and has now become my 3rd favourite DT album

beyond this life and through her eyes are incredibly moving

Chu
05-24-2005, 04:41 AM
I found the best picture ever!
But I dunno where I got it, I was looking through some of my Hard drive, and found a picture of the cover of Master of Puppets.
It has R.I.P Metallica 1982 - 1991 on the center head stone, oh so funny.
And Dream Theater at the top.
Sorry, random dribble.

juggalotricksta
05-24-2005, 12:52 PM
(with the exception of the rapping in Honor Thy Father and the ridiculous attempt at sounding death in This Dying Soul)


what

nowitzki
05-24-2005, 06:26 PM
The 2 tracks i've heard for Octavarium are awesome, can't wait for the album to get released.

Does anyone else think Panic Attack sounds a bit Muse-like? Labries singing at times is a lot like Matt Bellamy.


does Myung play chapman stick on Budokan?, if yes, on which tracks?

yes on new millenium, as on the album version

vashts80
05-24-2005, 06:31 PM
I thought These Walls sounded more Bellamy-esque than Panic Attack, actually. At least the chorus of These Walls, anyways.

chorbalan
05-24-2005, 08:00 PM
There is a metallica album cover (master of puppets) and a Dream Theater one that look a lot alike I'm sure it's old news but anyone know why that is?

JonG
05-24-2005, 08:46 PM
Dream Theater did a cover album of Master of Puppets. They played them at random shows on their tour in '93? I can't exactly remember when.

nowitzki
05-25-2005, 06:54 AM
It wasn't in '93 it was on the 6DOIT tour, they covered the album in full in Barcelona

Werny
05-25-2005, 07:19 AM
what

There's one part that has really low vocals under James saying something. It's near the end, I believe. And while Death may be an overstatement, it still sounds ridiculous.

Lord of Sword
05-25-2005, 07:36 AM
It wasn't in '93 it was on the 6DOIT tour, they covered the album in full in Barcelona


i'm sure they covered it early on aswell, i have a video of the solo from damage inc and the very end of the verse before it ("you'll know just where we come from"). petrucci is using his picasso style ibanez and they all look the same as they did in the I&W era. i'm not sure if they covered the entire album but they did at least do this one song.

Kurrpt
05-25-2005, 07:43 AM
anyone know if the new album leaked?

nowitzki
05-25-2005, 08:51 AM
Well barcalona was the first time they covered the whole album, they had covered Damage Inc earlier on though. They cover it on the 5YIALT DVD with Barney from Napalm Death on vocals.

anyone know if the new album leaked?

i hope not

Lord Abortion
05-25-2005, 09:05 AM
LaBrie sounds like freddie mercury on earlier stuff

I hate muse...

bball_1523
05-25-2005, 01:52 PM
when is dt releasing a dvd of their mop performance? Or does anyone have bootlegs?

juggalotricksta
05-25-2005, 06:11 PM
There's one part that has really low vocals under James saying something. It's near the end, I believe. And while Death may be an overstatement, it still sounds ridiculous.


Death would be a very ridiculous overstatment.

DT >>> anything death

kevbud187
05-25-2005, 07:33 PM
I'd have to say my favorite song by them is "Just A Matter of Time"

Bertovo
05-26-2005, 12:25 AM
anyone know if the new album leaked?

Radio edits for panick attack and these walls have been leaked.

Hammerheart
05-26-2005, 12:33 AM
The new DT album has been leaked, all of it.

Werny
05-26-2005, 07:23 AM
No, the James LaBrie solo album has been put on the net and named as the new album.

If it has leaked, no one here would want to know about it.

juggalotricksta
05-26-2005, 11:18 AM
I'll ask one more time.


Would it be so horrible to wait for the actual release date to hear the album? Am I going to be the only person at the cd store on the 7th? Come on people.

red barchetta
05-26-2005, 03:07 PM
I'll ask one more time.


Would it be so horrible to wait for the actual release date to hear the album? Am I going to be the only person at the cd store on the 7th? Come on people.
i'll be there too. i'm really not that desperate.

Triangle
05-26-2005, 03:23 PM
The new DT album has been leaked, all of it.
I have it and it's amazing. Get it, now!

trev913
05-26-2005, 03:27 PM
I'd really like to hear some of the individual members' solo stuff? Any idea when JP's CD comes out?

vashts80
05-26-2005, 03:46 PM
No, the James LaBrie solo album has been put on the net and named as the new album.

If it has leaked, no one here would want to know about it.

Dream_Theater-Octavarium-2005-AMRC_INT pred 11 Hours, 46 Min, 21 Sec ago

pretty convincing to me.

The Depressed
05-26-2005, 06:31 PM
It's definitely leaked. Am listening now...

First 5 tracks = brilliant. Surprisingly, not much of the massive over-indulgent stuff that DT have been accused of for the last few albums. I love These Walls and I Walk Beside You...

and then it hits Never Enough.

I can now say there is a DT song I flat out despise. It's Muse in a faster more technical form. And I can't stand Muse at all. It's nearly ruined the album for me.

Luckily, Sacrificed Sons sounds effin great as I'm listening to it, more than making up for the atrocity that is before.

Am looking forward for Octavarium (the song.) Should be pretty cool from all the clips I've currently heard.

EDIT -

Would it be so horrible to wait for the actual release date to hear the album? Am I going to be the only person at the cd store on the 7th? Come on people.

Ha, I pre-ordered mine as soon as I possibly could. I'm just a fan looking forward to hearing the music. They've already got my money.

EDIT 2 -

Octavarium - wow. That is all.

Chu
05-26-2005, 06:55 PM
Any idea when JP's CD comes out?
I'll ask this aswell :p

trev913
05-26-2005, 07:02 PM
Ah...Chu, no one's gonna help us... So... I did some quick research...

John Petrucci solo CD "Suspended Animation" out now
Updated on 03-06-2005

John Petrucci's solo album "Suspended Animation" is now available exclusively from John's "Sound Mind Music store". Here are the tracklisting and artwork for "Suspended Animation": John Petrucci - Suspended Animation

1. Jaws of Life
2. Glasgow Kiss
3. Tunnel Vision
4. Wishful Thinking
5. Damage Control
6. Curve
7. Lost Without You
8. Animate-Inanimate

Magicaltroll
05-26-2005, 10:21 PM
wtf? I'm listening to the first track of the new cd (not sure if its fake... I hope its not) and it had the chorus of This Dying Soul in it...

That was kinda cool, but weird. It wasn't exactly the same, it was like... remixed.

JamieSomething
05-26-2005, 10:55 PM
that's because it's a continuation of This Dying Soul, as it is from The Glass Prison, containing parts from The Mirror too

because, Portnoy wrote those songs, about the A.A. 12 Step program, so, there you go, Glass Prison has steps 1-3, and This Dying Soul has steps 4-6. The song you're speaking of..probably is 7-9

Magicaltroll
05-26-2005, 10:57 PM
that's because it's a continuation of This Dying Soul, as it is from The Glass Prison, containing parts from The Mirror too

because, Portnoy wrote those songs, about the A.A. 12 Step program, so, there you go, Glass Prison has steps 1-3, and This Dying Soul has steps 4-6. The song you're speaking of..probably is 7-9
Awesome.
I never really got into the concept of the songs. I jsut love the music to death.

JamieSomething
05-26-2005, 11:04 PM
hey, whatever works, right? write about the oddest of things, throw in some metaphors, and you got the potential of something badass

Magicaltroll
05-26-2005, 11:05 PM
Haha, yeah.
That works for alot of bands... Never really noticed.

vashts80
05-27-2005, 12:26 AM
I didn't even pickup on the continuation from TDS :x

Werny
05-27-2005, 07:04 AM
Dream_Theater-Octavarium-2005-AMRC_INT pred 11 Hours, 46 Min, 21 Sec ago

pretty convincing to me.

OK from the post below yours I now know that this is a leak, but it is possible to rename a song or album.

Its astounding how people will steal from one of their favourite bands just to hear an album 10 DAYS before it's release. Grow up.

clearvision
05-27-2005, 07:08 AM
Quit whining, i'd still steal if it were out already...no source of income = no CD's for me...should i be deprived of music because of that?

Chu
05-27-2005, 07:35 AM
Ah...Chu, no one's gonna help us... So... I did some quick research...

John Petrucci solo CD "Suspended Animation" out now
Updated on 03-06-2005

John Petrucci's solo album "Suspended Animation" is now available exclusively from John's "Sound Mind Music store". Here are the tracklisting and artwork for "Suspended Animation": John Petrucci - Suspended Animation

1. Jaws of Life
2. Glasgow Kiss
3. Tunnel Vision
4. Wishful Thinking
5. Damage Control
6. Curve
7. Lost Without You
8. Animate-Inanimate
Thanks man, you gonna pick it up soon?
I'll see if I can grab it tomorrow, if so I'll tell you what I think about it :)
if you get it before though, better give me a quick review :p

Kurrpt
05-27-2005, 07:53 AM
dude i have it (got it another thread)


Theres 3 tracks right now that im all about. If you like petrucci, you'll like it. Its TOTAL guitar driven

Lord Abortion
05-27-2005, 07:55 AM
2. Glasgow Kiss
heh...

sounds like a cool song to me...

Kurrpt
05-27-2005, 07:58 AM
dude its the best

Chu
05-27-2005, 11:45 AM
With 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence, does anyone here know what the 6 degrees are? Like, I relate to one of the songs quite closesly and just wondering what the song is dealing with.

Edit: I'll have to get this Petrucci album I think.

clearvision
05-27-2005, 11:46 AM
Well these walls is now my favourite DT song.

MAthiAS
05-27-2005, 11:47 AM
The songs are unrelated, and 6 Degrees the song is one song.

JamieSomething
05-27-2005, 01:01 PM
the first disk of 6 Degree's..eh..it's alright, it has some decent parts..like Glass Prison, it's alright
disk two, the entire 6 Degree's thing..all, eight songs..yeah, it is one song in a sense, but each mini song is one seperate track, what I think the best songs off disk two are..War Inside My Head, The Test That Stumped Them All, and About To Crash(Reprise)

juggalotricksta
05-27-2005, 01:03 PM
ATTENTION ALL DT FANS WHO OWN SUSPENDED ANIMATION:


I ordered this cd off the Sound Mind Music Store on 03/18. Its now 03/27 and it still says my order is "pending." I was curious as to how long it took all of you to get your copy...when I ordered the DT bootlegs, I had already received them by this time. And this album means so much more to me, so its twice as hard to wait! Please let me know if it took this long too, so I know whether or not its normal. Thanks guys! :thumb:

thunderzstruck
05-27-2005, 04:00 PM
dream theater \m/

trev913
05-27-2005, 04:05 PM
Thanks man, you gonna pick it up soon?
I'll see if I can grab it tomorrow, if so I'll tell you what I think about it :)
if you get it before though, better give me a quick review :p

I don't think it'll be pick-uppable. The website said it was exclusively available through the Sound Mind Music Store. Maybe my local shop will be able to get it in for me.

vashts80
05-27-2005, 05:05 PM
OK from the post below yours I now know that this is a leak, but it is possible to rename a song or album.

I'm listening to the AMRC_INT rip now. It's authentic.

McClain
05-27-2005, 06:03 PM
With 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence, does anyone here know what the 6 degrees are? Like, I relate to one of the songs quite closesly and just wondering what the song is dealing with.

Well, the song 6 Degrees is about 6 different people with different mental problems. For example, I believe the first suffers from depression, the second was in a war and went psycho, the third had delusions, and so forth. The 4th person, the one in Goodnight Kiss was about a mother and a daughter who were split up, the fifth person is kinda explained in the name, and the last one, it seems like she just randomly dosed off to avoid people.

vashts80
05-27-2005, 06:54 PM
"Octavarium" (the track) is an epic. The only songs I've listened to are These Walls, Panic Attack, and Octavarium. Time to listen to the whole thing.

mr black
05-27-2005, 06:59 PM
i wish i had the drum kit they use i have a concert 3 bass drums! i want so much wouldnt fit in my roon though :S

up there with the best progressive rock bands

juggalotricksta
05-28-2005, 02:42 PM
i wish i had the drum kit they use i have a concert 3 bass drums! i want so much wouldnt fit in my roon though :S

up there with the best progressive rock bands


This is a grammatical nightmare.

the2stranger
05-28-2005, 03:18 PM
all, these people having leaks, make me want to listen to the new album even more.
but I'll wait :)

JP1928
05-28-2005, 04:02 PM
Well, the song 6 Degrees is about 6 different people with different mental problems. For example, I believe the first suffers from depression, the second was in a war and went psycho, the third had delusions, and so forth. The 4th person, the one in Goodnight Kiss was about a mother and a daughter who were split up, the fifth person is kinda explained in the name, and the last one, it seems like she just randomly dosed off to avoid people.

I think the mental disorder in The Test That Stumped Them All is not in relation to the boy but in relation to the doctors or whatever treating him as in the song they are made to sound stupid etc. and it sounds like there's nothing wrong with the boy.
:thumb:

and on the topic of the new album I myself respect DT enough to wait for the official release of the new CD rather than downloading a 'leaked' version even though it's probably just something named wrong on p2p stuff. One of the 'leaked' versions was just James Labrie's new CD Elements of Persuasion renamed to "OMG DT!!!!1111one one"

vashts80
05-28-2005, 07:04 PM
I'm listening to the leak now. I don't think any of LaBrie's solo stuff has a 24 minute song that contains the lyric "Trapped inside this, OCTAVARIUM!". It's real.

RiceMonster
05-28-2005, 07:12 PM
Where did you find the leak? Can you get it on p2ps?

3rdplanet
05-28-2005, 07:38 PM
Bittorrent is where I got my leak.

Joelbassman
05-28-2005, 09:53 PM
Hey I was just wondering if you could let me know of some DT songs with singing in it because of a lot of the ones I have are just instrumentals.

I already have Pull me under and Take Away my Pain.

Cheers

JonG
05-28-2005, 09:58 PM
A Change Of Seasons
The Glass Prison
Space Dye Vest
As I Am
In The Name Of God
Lie



That's off the top of my head. I could think of more later.

JamieSomething
05-29-2005, 01:15 AM
well, if you want good songs with singing in 'em
yeah..
A Change of Seasons
As I Am
In The Name of God
Hollow Years(Live at Budokan)
Metropolis, Pt. 1
Learning to Live
The Silent Man
New Millenium
Trial of Tears
Beyond This Life
Home
Spirit Carries On
Finally Free
Glass Prison
Great Debate
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
About To Crash(Reprise)

Joelbassman
05-29-2005, 02:30 AM
Your favourite out of them?

M7S
05-29-2005, 03:16 AM
the spirit carries on

nagual678
05-29-2005, 05:13 AM
"Dream Theater - Pull Me Under" ending
Why the sudden drop in music ? my cd has it and i always assumed i had a bad print but my friend's cd has it too.

Joelbassman
05-29-2005, 05:21 AM
Cheers guys :thumb: I really have wanted to get in to them properly

Werny
05-29-2005, 06:07 AM
I'm listening to the AMRC_INT rip now. It's authentic.

Yes I know it's authentic, that's why I said I know it's a leak.

I'm completely unknowledged on DT: Do they make filmclips?

red barchetta
05-29-2005, 07:10 AM
Your favourite out of them?
download 'endless sacrifice'. it's my personal favourite