Dream Theater

[ytsedrummer]

Kickass album I know. That was actually my first Dream Theater album I got. I had heard "Home" from a cousin of mine who is still in my home province (I went there for the summer almost three years ago) and I just got addicted right away. Congradulations on the purchase just the same.

[RiceMonster]

Scenes From a Memory was the first Dream Theater album I got too, well I only have that and Images and Words unfortunatly. I'm still hooked on it. It's one of my favorite albums of all time.

[Otherside]

Ugh. Megadave does nothing for me.

I'd rather see a Dream Theater/Opeth tour, or almost any other band.

[RiceMonster]

is guitar pro a program? and if so, where do you get it from?
Yes, it's a program. I downloaded it off p2ps a while back.

[Drum_and_Bass_Guy89]

Meh I havent lisnted to dream theater for awhile until today and man i forgot how good they where

[Suicide_Punishment]

Can some one please tell me some good song to listen to ...i havent heard them before

[jpshortstuff]

Can some one please tell me some good song to listen to ...i havent heard them before

hmm... a good Dream Theater song.
let me think...
TRY ALL OF THEM!!!

personal favourites=

The Glass Prison
Endless Sacrifice
Stream Of Conciousness
Change of Seasons
Take The Time
This Dying Soul
As I Am

if you like heavier stuff then Train of Thought is the way to go
also The Glass Prison

the other albums are quite a bit lighter but are great in technical ability and stuff.

[little_devil2021]

ok, i haven't been a DT fan all that long, and i was wondering, what genre would you classify them as? i heard someone say they're progressive rock, but i really don't know.

*stupid question*

[Otherside]

Propressive Metal/Rock

[britainrocks]

www.britainrocks.co.uk

join now

[3rdplanet]

hmm... a good Dream Theater song.
let me think...
TRY ALL OF THEM!!!

personal favourites=

The Glass Prison
Endless Sacrifice
Stream Of Conciousness
Change of Seasons
Take The Time
This Dying Soul
As I Am

if you like heavier stuff then Train of Thought is the way to go
also The Glass Prison

the other albums are quite a bit lighter but are great in technical ability and stuff.

ch00n.

[followthereaper16]

hmm... a good Dream Theater song.
let me think...
TRY ALL OF THEM!!!

personal favourites=

The Glass Prison
Endless Sacrifice
Stream Of Conciousness
Change of Seasons
Take The Time
This Dying Soul
As I Am

if you like heavier stuff then Train of Thought is the way to go
also The Glass Prison

the other albums are quite a bit lighter but are great in technical ability and stuff.

couldnt have said it better, agree completely

[larsROCKS]

hey guys im new to dream theater. i liked there song 6 00 and do you have any other suggestions to what songsi should liten to that are simular. thanks

[horseypie]

i loves scenes from as memory (album)/....you should really get it

but the again im a DT n00b

[the2stranger]

Images&Words, get it!
it's a classic :thumb:

[Triangle]

Get Scenes from a Memory or Six Degrees. They're pure quality.

/my favs

[The JoZ]

hey guys im new to dream theater. i liked there song 6 00 and do you have any other suggestions to what songsi should liten to that are simular. thanks

If you liked 6:00, get the album it's on, "Awake".

[Triangle]

Awake... that's an amazing album, apart from 6:00 which I personally don't like that much. (Scarred, The Mirror, Lie :thumb: )

[Danger Bird]

Recommend me 1 Dream Theater song to listen to, to get me started on them. Like if I asked you for a Black Sabbath song, you'd say Iron Man.

[Shattered_Future]

^ The Glass Prison.

Its basically what DT is all about.

[Werny]

DT are a band that besides about 7 songs bore me to absolute death. They're awesome though, I just can't find myself listening that much. Portnoy is hardcore.

The Glass Prison is one of the greatest songs ever composed. I love the parts where it's awesome riffing and someone (I think it's Mike) going "hey, hey, hey".

[M7S]

I cant stand Train Of Thought , really cool riffs n stuff but useless solo crap ( imo ) I prefer Scenes and Images way more over Train , way better solo style imo

[Triangle]

I cant stand Train Of Thought , really cool riffs n stuff but useless solo crap ( imo ) I prefer Scenes and Images way more over Train , way better solo style imo
Yeah, I agree partly. The riffs are just great, but the solos suck. There just pointless shred.

[bassist-bmxer]

I actually like the solo's in Train of Thought, specially the guitar solo in 'Stream of Consciousness'

[red barchetta]

I actually like the solo's in Train of Thought, specially the guitar solo in 'Stream of Consciousness'
yeah, the last solo in that is great. (the one from 9.28 - 10.19)

[red barchetta]

i love dt... they're going to do a UK tour during october/november. not during exams!!!

[bassist-bmxer]

no way! really?? where?

lol sorry for the questions.

[Triangle]

Sorry, they are!?! It doesnt mention on their tour dates.

[bassist-bmxer]

i just lookked it up on their website http://www.dreamtheater.net/archive_tourdates.php?y=2002 I'm gonna try and see them at the astoria.

[red barchetta]

here:

http://www.dreamtheater.net/tourdates.php#finalshows

[stoned_rat]

glass prison=(in my opinion) best song ever recorded.....
and 2nd would have to be the drapery falls by opeth...funny how other than that song i dont really like any other opeth...

[bassist-bmxer]

Yeah The glass prison is just amazing, I dont know how they do it! I have a live video of it and they play it perfectly! Listen to the bass line in the guitar and keyboard solo's bit, John Myung has so much stamina! I get tired even playing the first few seconds of that bit.

[3rdplanet]

i love dt... they're going to do a UK tour during october/november. not during exams!!!

OH YEAH!

So goin'.

[Sebrellium]

Images and Words was also my last, but I was (and still am) impressed by their range of talents, being able to play (and wanting to) MOP, NOTB etc. "Home" is my favourite song though.

[vashts80]

I need to get the Budokan DVD. That is all.

[The JoZ]

I cant stand Train Of Thought , really cool riffs n stuff but useless solo crap ( imo ) I prefer Scenes and Images way more over Train , way better solo style imo

In some respect I can understand that...

However, I personally think the riffage out of ToT more than makes up for Petrucci's constant shredding.

Besides, it's not like every solo on ToT is really that pointless, I mean...

The As I Am solo is really pretty cool sounding. The opening solo in This Dying Soul is as well...although the second solo isn't quite as good IMO...

The back and forth between Jordan and John in Endless Sacrifice is neat too, and the aforementioned SoC solo is really nice too. John doesn't solo in Honor Thy Father, which may come as a surprise to many...so if you don't like the solos there, blame Jordan not John :p

I never used to like the In The Name of God solo, because I thought it was pointless shred...and to some extent it still is, but it has grown on me a bit. If you get the Budokan DVD, they do an extended version of this song, with John doing a very melodic solo, closer to the style I think you'd like...

[Triangle]

never used to like the In The Name of God solo, because I thought it was pointless shred...and to some extent it still is, but it has grown on me a bit. If you get the Budokan DVD, they do an extended version of this song, with John doing a very melodic solo, closer to the style I think you'd like...
Yeah, the outro solo is pretty good I admit.

I also love the Hollow Years solo on that dvd...

[M7S]

yeah some of the solos are good, but I mean that his Scenes solos are way better imo. Like the Spirit Carries On solo and the Overture solos n stuff

[Lord Abortion]

I would sell my own mother to see them and maiden play... that may just be the greatest gig ever put on...

I now have all the studio albums except 6 degrees and FII but I will get 'em soon...
DT rule! I&w is still the best

[horseypie]

i only have ToT and scenes.....scenes has artier solos and ToT is more fast....i likes them both....lol i got bored and downloaded ther As i am solo of jp's website....its kool

[xMyowNx777]

Which DT CD should I get?!

Any opinions.

[red barchetta]

a lot of people will say images and words or awake

[RiceMonster]

I would say Images and Words or Scenes From a Memory (which would be recommended more than Awake, actually).

[The JoZ]

I am going to be different, and say either Awake, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, or Train of Thought.

I really think SFAM and I&W are overrated.

[halfdeadhippo]

I am going to be different, and say either Awake, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, or Train of Thought.

I really think SFAM and I&W are overrated.
Hear, hear!

Does anybody besides me feel that the second disc of "6 Degrees..." is their best work?

[Triangle]

Hear, hear!

Does anybody besides me feel that the second disc of "6 Degrees..." is their best work?
I do! Easily. :thumb:

I mean, it's got everything. :) I just love it.

[The JoZ]

I thought it was good when I listened to it, but it's been a while.

I really don't think they have a 'best work', I think there are pros and cons to every album they have.

[halfdeadhippo]

I agree with you on that one. The downside to "6 Degrees..." is that it's two discs, and therefore a.) more expensive, b.) unnecessarily lengthy, in my opinion. The second disc seems, to me, to show the widest possible range of DT's style, while being only 42 minutes long.

[bassist-bmxer]

Yeah so I have 'Images and Words' and 'Train Of Thought'. Which album should I get next?

[RiceMonster]

Yeah so I have 'Images and Words' and 'Train Of Thought'. Which album should I get next?
Scenes From a Memory or Awake. :thumb:

[MNbassist78]

I say get Scenes From a Memory or if you wouldnt mind spending the extra money, get Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. If you liked ToT more, get Six Degree, if you liked IaW more, get Scenes.

[bassist-bmxer]

Yeah I was thinking of getting Scenes From A Memory, but I have the dvd so i dont know if there would be much point in buying it yet. So I might just get Awake, or save up for Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence.

[3rdplanet]

You can't really go wrong with Awake, Scenes or 6 Degrees, all are great, but I would say to get Awake as it is kick ***, and there is a picture of the band with their permed hair on the inside cover.

[The JoZ]

Awake, Awake, Awake.

6 Degrees really is good, but I think Awake has...better variety? I don't know, I can't explain it.

6 Degrees has a few better songs I think...but as a WHOLE, I think Awake is better...

[bassist-bmxer]

Ok I think I will go with Awake then, also seeing as its cheaper too! :p I'll probably get it sometime this week then. Thanks for the reccomendation guys! :thumb:

[Lord Abortion]

a lot of people will say images and words or awake
images and words is a masterpiece

but I haven't got six degrees yet...

[jpshortstuff]

i cant imagine living without six degress
glass prison's got it all - great riffs, inventive lyrics and some of the best DT solos ever
disc two's got the goodnight kiss solo which seems to last forever and just gets better

if you havnt got 6 degrees
then you havnt lived

[sickgoregrind]

^
A bit of an exaggeration, it is definately a progressive fans dream but 6doit just lacks the flair and emotion of previous D.T releases, maybe a bit of a forced compromise, i dont know.

[jpshortstuff]

ok i was exagerating but only a bit
i still think Glass Prisons their best song
and you have to take into account that i like heavier stuff

[sickgoregrind]

^

Ok fair enough if you like heavy music but there are certain things you come to expect from a band like Dream Theater. I really am put off from their last 2 albums because to me Dream Theater mean lush melodic guitar work and symphonic fiddly bits encapsulated in a unique world of infinite ideas. The new albums don't mean that to me but i suppose my memories are different to yours.

I dont want them to recreate 'images' but for them just to not feel the need to evolve for evolvings sake, y'understand?

[lil chris]

Their last two albums were a big disspointment after iaw, awake and scenes from a memory. Although I did enjoy disc 2 of 6 degrees, hope Octavarium will be different.

[sickgoregrind]

What is this Octavarium you speak of? A new studio Dream Theater album?

[jpshortstuff]

havnt you heard

[jpshortstuff]

go to www.dreamtheater.net/news_dreamtheater.php#octavarium

[lil chris]

Does anyone know of other decent prog rock bands of the same style as dream theater? I've heard Angra but that's about it.

[M7S]

Yeah so I have 'Images and Words' and 'Train Of Thought'. Which album should I get next?

screw the Scenes From A Memory cd, get the live dvd you silly :naughty:

:chug:

[3rdplanet]

Does anyone know of other decent prog rock bands of the same style as dream theater? I've heard Angra but that's about it.

Try Threshold and Wolverine. Two bands I like which are similar to Dream Theater.

EDIT: Oh, most people will say Symphony X, but they aren't that great.

[Triangle]

I agree with you on that one. The downside to "6 Degrees..." is that it's two discs, and therefore a.) more expensive, b.) unnecessarily lengthy, in my opinion. The second disc seems, to me, to show the widest possible range of DT's style, while being only 42 minutes long.
I picked it up for £9. :)

Its currently tied with Awake for my fav. But these things change every day...

Check out Pain of Salvation for another great prog band.

[red barchetta]

I agree with you on that one. The downside to "6 Degrees..." is that it's two discs, and therefore a.) more expensive, b.) unnecessarily lengthy, in my opinion. The second disc seems, to me, to show the widest possible range of DT's style, while being only 42 minutes long.
i found in some garage-sale style cd shop in japan, and i got it for about 8quid, and i got a falling into infinty rarities cd for 7quid. good old japan :)

[The JoZ]

So, we've got Octavarium coming up...and they should be doing the third part to The Glass Prison series of songs.

Anyone else think they will find a way to reuse the 1-0-0-0 breakdown riff? I am thinking they will...and that riff will probably be used in each continuation, methinks...

[bassist-bmxer]

^ i love that riff even though it is just so simple, and the drumbeat to it.

Yeah so I bought 'Awake' today! I'm liking it so far!

[RiceMonster]

^ i love that riff even though it is just so simple, and the drumbeat to it.
Yes, that is a sweet riff.

Yeah so I bought 'Awake' today! I'm liking it so far!
Good job. My favorites off that are Space Dye Vest and Erotomania.

[Treebeard]

I downloaded most of their new songs off Limewire because I love stealing. They aren't as good as their other stuff.... Blah, I give it 6.5/10

BLAhhhh

[BradyEB]

I doubt its actually the new songs.

[Lord Abortion]

So, we've got Octavarium coming up...and they should be doing the third part to The Glass Prison series of songs.

Anyone else think they will find a way to reuse the 1-0-0-0 breakdown riff? I am thinking they will...and that riff will probably be used in each continuation, methinks...
was the second this dying soul?

"I can't break out of this prison all alone"

[Reidie86]

was the second this dying soul?

"I can't break out of this prison all alone"

yeah, there are musical and lyrical similarities between them both

[lil chris]

The new songs won't be out on p2p's yet. They only sent them off to the label about 2 weeks ago.

[bassist-bmxer]

Is it just me or does anyone else find the intro of 'Caught in a web' reminding you of sonic? :p

[Triangle]

Is it just me or does anyone else find the intro of 'Caught in a web' reminding you of sonic? :p
:p Kinda. hehe.

I really can't wait for the new album. I'll prob download it first then buy it, because it'll come out in the US before the UK. ;)

[Kurrpt]

has anyone learned YTSE jam yet?

[lil chris]

Hmmmm. Downloaded track 1 - The root of all evil, off edonkey, didn't recognise, but I haven't listened to much of 6DOIT or FII. It's not the best, reminds me of Train of Thought.
I think this is the first line of the chorus if anyone recognises it.
'Crucify, resistorfy, kill the pain that twists inside...'

[lil chris]

Just researched and the Octavarium songs on p2p's are from LaBries solo album. :(

[bassist-bmxer]

has anyone learned YTSE jam yet?
I can play up to the solo(bass) I could probably play it but i havent been bothered to learn it yet, and most of the tabs for it are pretty bad, although i havent downloaded the powertab yet...

[Kurrpt]

I can play up to the solo(bass) I could probably play it but i havent been bothered to learn it yet, and most of the tabs for it are pretty bad, although i havent downloaded the powertab yet...


wow, im gonna have to play through it again, i forget where that bass solo is. Hey if you find good tab, could you send it too me. Those trem picking runs for the most part suck, and i would LOVE to have better tab.

I play then like hes playing, 32nd notes, but i suck at figuring it out.

[shamed-angel]

WHat do you guys reckon is JM's hardest Bass solo?
I reckon The Dance of Eternity solo is probably the hardest to nail.
The Metropolis solo took me about 4 solid hours to figure out. Real hard.

[bassist-bmxer]

The Dance of Eternity probably closely followed but ytse jam.

I hope in the new album we will see more creative basslines, because on TOT i thought he held back quite a bit and played alot of just root notes.

[Prince of Darkness]

I think ToT was really a crap peice of work. I would like the new album to actuallly have some Dream Theater on it. ToT wasn't DT. ToT was Nu-Metal. Are they Nu-Metal to stay? Where's that ProgMetal band I fell in love with? Dissapointment...

[The JoZ]

I think ToT was really a crap peice of work. I would like the new album to actuallly have some Dream Theater on it. ToT wasn't DT. ToT was Nu-Metal. Are they Nu-Metal to stay? Where's that ProgMetal band I fell in love with? Dissapointment...

Train of Thought was so far from 'nu metal' it wasn't funny.

Nu metal bands do not shift time signatures fifty million times like they do in "This Dying Soul". Nu metal bands do not have mind blowing solos, found on every song except "Vacant". Nu metal bands do not go from crushing riffage to great melodies like they do.

Anyone who seriously thinks ToT isn't still progressive metal should be shot.

[Prince of Darkness]

fine. But I hate that album and It should be burnt. Every @#@!!$%?%#!!@@!?!#$%?!!@$!#$!?!#$@! copy.

But with Petrucci's 7string....he wants to go to the NuMetal side......

[The JoZ]

fine. But I hate that album and It should be burnt. Every @#@!!$%?%#!!@@!?!#$%?!!@$!#$!?!#$@! copy.

But with Petrucci's 7string....he wants to go to the NuMetal side......

You're an idiot.

Petrucci is one of a few guitarists who can actually use every single string on a 7 string guitar. Playing a 7 string guitar does not make you nu-metal :rolleyes:

And he only used the 7 string on "This Dying Soul". All the rest of the songs were done on his 6

As I Am, Honor Thy Father, In The Name of God - C Standard
Endless Sacrifice - D Standard
Stream of Consciousness - OMG STANDARD TUNING.
This Dying Soul - 7 String Standard

You can hate the album all you want, but calling it something it's not is pure ignorance.

[Prince of Darkness]

oh and The Beginning part of Honor Thy Father. If you tell me that sounds like DT, You too should be shot. twice.


(oh...The JoZ has sooooo much more posts than me.....maybe I should just get me coat...)

[The JoZ]

oh and The Beginning part of Honor Thy Father. If you tell me that sounds like DT, You too should be shot. twice.


(oh...The JoZ has sooooo much more posts than me.....maybe I should just get me coat...)

Anything Dream Theater writes sounds like Dream Theater.

No, you don't have to 'get your coat' because of my post count, but you might want to consider it cause you're being an ignorant douche.

[Prince of Darkness]

I considered.But really, DT in 1993-1999 was soooooo much better and more proggish than now. They're going for a much heavier image and they cant handle it. Ive said this before and Ill say it again. ProgMetal, or just Music in general is losing class. The Only great band I listen to founded in the New Mellenium, is Mars Volta. They have this style that suits their music. DT had a certain style that suited their music and Metallica had one too. But They all loose this style to the innevitable death of classy music. my point tonight is that style is important in music. It is the factor that decides what kind of music your band will produce.

Sorry The JoZ. For all my miss strikes with NU METAL. But I have to show people that music is slowly fading to crap. IMO.

[The JoZ]

But they aren't any less prog than before. They are still making epic-length songs, still doing great solos, etc etc.

Again, just because it sounds different, doesn't make it something it's not.

Dream Theater has evolved as the times have changed. If they kept making the same music they made back in 1992, their fan base would be considerably smaller at this point in time.

[The Depressed]

Stream of Consciousness - Eb.

:p

Sorry, I'm a stickler for that stuff.

PoD - Well, that's a really stupid opinion.

[The JoZ]

:p

Sorry, I'm a stickler for that stuff.

PoD - Well, that's a really stupid opinion.

Nevermind, I see it now.

So sue me :p

[RiceMonster]

Dream Theater has evolved as the times have changed. If they kept making the same music they made back in 1992, their fan base would be considerably smaller at this point in time.
Not only that, but it would be very boring. Change is a good thing, and I think It's retarded when a band changes their sound, and fans say something like "they're going nu metal now", or "they're selling out". Yes, sometimes they are selling out, but very rarely. Usually it's just people who can't deal with change.

Also, I don't see what's wrong with Petrucci using a 7 string. He's one of the few players who uses it as it should be used, not so you can get your guitars to go even lower. For example: Korn.

[The Depressed]

Joz -

http://www.dreamtheater.net/pics/dt_sw_contest_6.jpg

From the mouth (or hands) of DT themselves.

[Prince of Darkness]

But they aren't any less prog than before. They are still making epic-length songs, still doing great solos, etc etc.

Again, just because it sounds different, doesn't make it something it's not.

Dream Theater has evolved as the times have changed. If they kept making the same music they made back in 1992, their fan base would be considerably smaller at this point in time.

Yes, but, Why change so much into the part where you know its crap, but you're(reffering to DT) so cocky that you dont realise it. The last good album they made was Awake. from there and on. Uninspired prog Metal. They were so high up in the cloulds with their new Train of Thought album, they they didn't even realise that it sucked. They even cut their nice long metal hair to"stay with the times" but like Metallica, they made a mistake.Turning into something they're not. I know I know. They have to change to satisfy the fans. But I can tell you, no fan of Metal would like short hair and clean shaves with running shoes topped off by crap music that doesn't suit them.

[The Depressed]

They even cut their nice long metal hair to"stay with the times"

For the second time in three days - :amaze:

By the way, both JLB and JM still have long hair, thankyou. And JP cut his on the 6DOIT album.

[Prince of Darkness]

Why cut hair in a metal band??? look at Rudess! CLEAN SHAVE. LaBrie and Mjung left their hair because they knew. petrucci should've taken the hint.

[bassist-bmxer]

What has their hair got to do with anything anyway? :p

I actually really like TOT.

[RiceMonster]

Yes, but, Why change so much into the part where you know its crap, but you're(reffering to DT) so cocky that you dont realise it. The last good album they made was Awake. from there and on. Uninspired prog Metal.
Oh Come on, can you honestly say Scenes From a Memory was "unispired prog metal?" That album is pure brillance, has a great concept, and just overall very well done.

They were so high up in the cloulds with their new Train of Thought album, they they didn't even realise that it sucked. They even cut their nice long metal hair to"stay with the times" but like Metallica, they made a mistake.
They are noe middle aged men with kids. They can't stay young forever. Cutting your hair is not "staying with the times."

Turning into something they're not. I know I know. They have to change to satisfy the fans. But I can tell you, no fan of Metal would like short hair and clean shaves with running shoes topped off by crap music that doesn't suit them.
Change is not a bad thing. A band shouldn't feel they should keep an identity by staying with the same music for 20 years. I would rather a band change their style every two or so albums. It keeps it fresh, and iteresting. Honestly, I agree that The older Dream Theater was better, but saying they aren't who they are is stupid. People change, and bands change their music style.

[Prince of Darkness]

THanks for the nice ol' debate JoZ, but Im leaving now.

No hard Feelings i hope.

[Mister_Che]

Why cut hair in a metal band??? look at Rudess! CLEAN SHAVE. LaBrie and Mjung left their hair because they knew. petrucci should've taken the hint.

How sad, I think this is simply a thing about image. From my understanding, you're not supposed to care about image.

[Prince of Darkness]

Im back, just got the post. DT changed, yes. But I know I keep going back to the fashion in music, but it has an effect on how your music pops out. If you had short hair in the '80's '90's period, you would not have survived as a metal band. So everyone had their long hair and scruffy looks. Great. But obviously this has to change with time. So the image got tighter and more clean. Like John Petrucci. But you dont make your image cleaner and your music heavier.thats just wrong IMO.

I guess Im still stuck in the '70-early'90's style. cant blame me right?

[RiceMonster]

You should be shot if you think image plays an important role in music. Music is something we hear, it is a sound. It has nothing to do with what we see. Yes Prince of Darkness, you are stuck in the 80's, and really you should move on. There are plenty of new good bands. It's just a matter of checking out the under ground.

[Mister_Che]

I guess Im still stuck in the '70-early'90's style. cant blame me right?

Perhaps not, but still hair length/clothes/penis size doesn't determine how well you play your genre or what defines you.

[The JoZ]

Joz -

http://www.dreamtheater.net/pics/dt_sw_contest_6.jpg

From the mouth (or hands) of DT themselves.

What the hell is that?

[isp_of_doom]

Just wondering if anyone knows what the weird background sound is during the intro buildup, with just a single guitar (before the sitar downstroke).

It sounds as if it could be a very heavily edited voice....anyne know for sure?

thanks.

******************
as for contributing to the discussion at hand. who cares about hair? Even if the band had the worst image ever Id still listen to them, because i find them interesting and they expand my skills as a drummer.

[Lord Abortion]

well I don't know...
dram theater sound the same as the earlier albums on ToT they have just taken some new effects and stuff which take a bit of getting used to, it sounds great to me.

[The Depressed]

What the hell is that?

http://www.dreamtheater.net/contest.php?p=info

[Werny]

I swear I came when I read the word "Crimson".

Dream Theater are really starting to grow on me. Like a few days ago, I listened to a song on 6DOIT other then The Glass Prison, called Blind Faith, and I now think that this possibly tops it! One of the most beautiful recordings ever. I can't wait for the rest of the album to grow on me!

[ashman]

Bonjour DT thread, I thought I'd pop in here just because I'm finally got some DT music...and just to bump this thread...

[Josh]

fair enough...which album you got?

[ashman]

I downloaded 9..."Official Bootlegs", which includes Master of Puppets and Number of the Beast covers on it. And some live stuff.

[Josh]

ah ok, you want any DT album tracks uploading?

[ashman]

Erm yeah you can do..cheers.

[Josh]

ok...will edit in links when tracks have uploaded...two 11 minute tracks takes a while to upload :lol:

[ashman]

I think all we need now is ETT and this will be the Maiden Thread V 1.2 beta :lol:

Cheers Sack :thumb:

[Josh]

:lol: very true

[ashman]

This thread is very quiet, I thought lots of people liked Dream Theater...

[Josh]

Stream of conciousness (instrumental) (http://s47.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1L5UAVHOJQTRP1INBKPQMQVO1K)

this dying soul (http://s47.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3VUIT4A8NQYJ12W9ANIPPYFSMG)

[ashman]

Thanking very much kind sir...

[Dude123]

I'm sure it's been mentioned, but I must have missed it. Anyone else excited about the Megadeth/DT headlined tour coming up?! I can't wait for them to come back here, got into them right after they came by last summer. :(

[RiceMonster]

I'm sure it's been mentioned, but I must have missed it. Anyone else excited about the Megadeth/DT headlined tour coming up?! I can't wait for them to come back here, got into them right after they came by last summer. :(
Totally. I'm going to get tickets for sure. What a damn good show that'll be.

[Otherside]

I'm excited that DT are touring, but I'm not excited that it's with Megadave. I definitly think they could have chosen someone better.

[Josh]

i thought it was dave mustaine that picked DT to tour with 'deth

[RiceMonster]

i thought it was dave mustaine that picked DT to tour with 'deth
It was. I love having those two bands tour together. Nevermore should be great as well.

[Quebec]

I'm sure it's been mentioned, but I must have missed it. Anyone else excited about the Megadeth/DT headlined tour coming up?! I can't wait for them to come back here, got into them right after they came by last summer. :(
Yeah I'm not going to miss this one!

[MAthiAS]

I'm excited that DT are touring, but I'm not excited that it's with Megadave. I definitly think they could have chosen someone better.
No and no. Dave chose them, as sack-man mentioned, and what better bands than Megadeth are touring this summer (cept maybe Maiden)

[Otherside]

i thought it was dave mustaine that picked DT to tour with 'deth

Either way.

[Otherside]

No and no. Dave chose them, as sack-man mentioned, and what better bands than Megadeth are touring this summer (cept maybe Maiden)


There are plenty of bands that are touring, Mars Volta for one, Maiden for another, and Opeth(most likely) for a third. I would take almost any band over Megadave, the way they are now.

[MAthiAS]

Mars Volta wouldn't mix with DT, Opeth would be cool. I prefer Deth though obviously. I take it you didn't see them their last time around the States... they still put on a sick live show, even if Dave's the only original.

[Otherside]

Mars Volta wouldn't mix with DT, Opeth would be cool. I prefer Deth though obviously. I take it you didn't see them their last time around the States... they still put on a sick live show, even if Dave's the only original.


A DT/Mars Volta, would be interesting I think. But wont Dave be supporting the new album this time around? I'd rather not see that.

[RiceMonster]

Even if he is supporting the new album, I still think it'll be a damn good show.

[MAthiAS]

A DT/Mars Volta, would be interesting I think. But wont Dave be supporting the new album this time around? I'd rather not see that.
Uhh he supported it last time, I bet he'll mix it up a bit more this time.

[RNR]

Though I like both, many 'Deth fans don't like DT. Mars Volta would make more sense.

[Josh]

i like both as well.

ATTN: ashman: what did you think of those songs?

[bassist-bmxer]

Does anyone know who DT will be touring with for the UK tour?

[Josh]

no, thats this summer though isn't it? i hope they do newcastle, or somewhere not too far away.

[bassist-bmxer]

they said it would be october/november i think.

[Josh]

ah, i will have money for a ticket by then :)

[ashman]

i like both as well.

ATTN: ashman: what did you think of those songs?

Yeah they were good, but it sounds like they try too hard to be a classic band...

[the2stranger]

hhm, the songs you got, are from the latest album. on that album they moved pretty far away from 'the 'classic '' sound.

try ad get your your hands on the Images & Words album. it's older material, but it's a classic

[Josh]

i've got that as well, but i couldn't be bothered to upload any more tracks last night. I&W is, IMO, both worse and better than ToT, because its more of a classic sound but i also like the heavier sound of ToT

[the2stranger]

I agree with you.

as for my favorites:

1) I&W
2) ToT
3) 6doit

can't be bothered to rate the others :p

[Josh]

lol, i only have I&W and ToT, i like them both as much as each other.

[the2stranger]

as you can see, I recommend you the 6doit cd next :)
I got it for a nice price 9 euros, pretty cheap, considering it's a double cd.


and I'm looking so forward to the new album.

is anyone going to the LaBrie show? he's giving a show in my area in 1,5 week, and evergrey is supporting him.

[Josh]

where do you live?
i might get 6 degrees of inner terbulence later, from amazon probably. is it a studio or live album?

[ashman]

hhm, the songs you got, are from the latest album. on that album they moved pretty far away from 'the 'classic '' sound.

try ad get your your hands on the Images & Words album. it's older material, but it's a classic

I have Images and Words Demo...a lot of songs don't have vocals...it's ok I suppose, nothing to spectacular, but maybe it'll grow on me.

[jpshortstuff]

SDOIT is a studio album - and a great one at that

[BradyEB]

Ohh man going onto the new album forum on the DT site is getting me so excited bout the new album i cant wait!

[zinner zero]

has anyone ever dare to play a change of seasons(complete) with your band?

[RiceMonster]

has anyone ever dare to play a change of seasons(complete) with your band?
No way I don't have a full band yet, just two guitarist, and a bass player, but we aren't nearly at that level yet.

[Frozenmage]

Ohh man going onto the new album forum on the DT site is getting me so excited bout the new album i cant wait!
me neither...

[Quebec]

http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=829027&mpage=1&key=??
Octavarium's artwork. Its not fake. Here's the proof:
Of course, as always, I was hesitant to post this - but I decided I'd rather *us* unveil it than some underground website from Greece or Poland (like how Train Of Thought was unveiled)

Let me just say you are only getting a taste of what the artwork and layout has in store for you.
I worked very closely for several weeks with the great Hugh Syme and think the end result of the packaging is the best we've had for any of our albums in the past.

I already see so many of you being critical, and that's to be expected, but you know the old cliched expression: "Don't judge a book by it's cover...."
(although in this case, I personally dig it....)

Can't wait for you to hear what's inside of it!

MP

[the2stranger]

where do you live?
i might get 6 degrees of inner terbulence later, from amazon probably. is it a studio or live album?


I live in the netherlands.
and as some other guy stated it's a studio album.
and the 2nd disc, is sort of concept like, not really.
but it features one song, 42 min long :cool:
check it out :thumb:

[Frozenmage]

Wow nice cover...but what i want is to hear the new album :)

[iceman3019]

hope dream theater gets a little bit more progressive in their new album . . . don't get me wrong, train of thought was one hell of a progressive metal album, but it was more metal than it was progressive . . . just my 2 cents . . .

[Lord Abortion]

woah... nice cover

[Apocalyptic Raids]

that cover art looks great! I wonder what the album will be like....

[the2stranger]

wow, indeed amazing art.
the art on ToT was amzing too, are they still working with the same artist?

[Otherside]

I could make that cover :\

Still not too bad though.

[Werny]

hope dream theater gets a little bit more progressive in their new album . . . don't get me wrong, train of thought was one hell of a progressive metal album, but it was more metal than it was progressive . . . just my 2 cents . . .

I've never thought of DT as progressive. Just my two cents.

[AClotM1]

What about DEP? Anyone else excited to see those technical bastards? ^_^

[The JoZ]

I've never thought of DT as progressive. Just my two cents.

You've got to be kidding me.

[the2stranger]

I've never thought of DT as progressive. Just my two cents.


how on earth would you like to classify dream theater, other than progressive?
you could start an argument wether they're prog rock or prog metal.

but prog, that's for sure.

[i am the robots]

You've got to be kidding me.

I get the disgusting feeling he wasn't.

/shakes head

[bassist-bmxer]

wow I think that new album cover looks great!

And of course they are prog.

[Cain]

Just another "all they ever do is play in ****ed-up time and shred" guy, most likely. :-/

[Txus]

when is the new cd coming out -?

[MAthiAS]

Like June 10th or something.

[the2stranger]

june 7th

[Triangle]

God... the album cover is pretty bad imo. Oh well. I don't particulary care, I can't wait for the album.

[RiceMonster]

I'd like the new album to come out on the 7th, since that's my birthday :cool:. They're doing something different than ToT right? Not to say ToT is a bad album or anything.

[Otherside]

Looking at that cover, I don't think it's real, or it's not done yet atleast. Here's my reasoning:

http://tinypic.com/4j3m2c

[Quebec]

Looking at that cover, I don't think it's real, or it's not done yet atleast. Here's my reasoning:

http://tinypic.com/4j3m2c
I think the black part is hiding something were not supposed to see. I've also read a post on teh DT forum that said that maybe it was the back cover and that the black part is hiding the track list, and the track times.

Oh and look at this (http://www.dreamtheater.net/news_dreamtheater.php#octavarium) , it clearly shows that it's not fake. But, I don't think its finished.

[RiceMonster]

Yeah, that cover is pretty bad. It may improve a lot since it isn't finished though. I'll be disapointed if the album cover looks almost just like that. That doesn't mean, however, that the album will be bad. I'm expecting good things from it, and hopefully a new sound.

[3rdplanet]

^ Well spotted @ Otherside

It's not too great a cover (if it is real).

Hopefully the music will rock though.

[LarsAgi007]

I am only a recent Dream Theater fan, and i must say, i have been missing out! I think the album is going to be great, i just cant wait! wow i rhyme all the time!! oh, im a poet and i didn't know it?? Sorry, i just had to!

[Deconstruction]

ANy leaks yet.

[MNbassist78]

I don't think the cover is that great. But are those birds the ones from ToT?

[MAthiAS]

I am only a recent Dream Theater fan, and i must say, i have been missing out! I think the album is going to be great, i just cant wait! wow i rhyme all the time!! oh, im a poet and i didn't know it?? Sorry, i just had to!
No you didn't, you could've just said what you had to say and not been a loser about it.

[Jim_Fear9287]

I'm downloading the cd now, i found all except one song, so far the only song i finished dowloading was "The Root of All Evil", i would describe it as Dream Theater doing thrash metal, sort of like old school metallica but heavier and with way better solos. The riffs themselves on this song aren't really technical at all, but the solos in it are pretty awesome as usual. Its heavier than anything they have ever done, heavier than TOT by far. Its good stuff.

[Quebec]

I'm downloading the cd now, i found all except one song, so far the only song i finished dowloading was "The Root of All Evil", i would describe it as Dream Theater doing thrash metal, sort of like old school metallica but heavier and with way better solos. The riffs themselves on this song aren't really technical at all, but the solos in it are pretty awesome as usual. Its heavier than anything they have ever done, heavier than TOT by far. Its good stuff.
Listen to "crucify", the first song off James Labrie's "element of persuation. That's what you heard.

And read this (http://www.dreamtheater.net/bb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75206) before saying you heard Octavarium.

[monkey_chops23]

can't wait for the new album

I love all their stuff since rudess started playing keyboards. they were good before him, but I think he really matured the sound of the band.

Petrucci is my new idol.

[monkey_chops23]

btw, did anyone read about what CoB's guitarist said about John Petrucci in Guitar World?

little upstart. :angry:

[The JoZ]

If you read the DT board, LaBrie describes Octavarium as "is an atmosphere's album with deep prog roots, halfway from "Images And Words", "Awake" and "Scenes from a memory". A Heavy album with big sounds and emotions, maybe our greatest album ever!"

This ought to be interesting

[Quebec]

Official teaser trailer of Drumavarium released on mikeportnoy.com !!!!
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/420/teaser.wmv

[MNbassist78]

Official teaser trailer of Drumavarium released on mikeportnoy.com !!!!
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/420/teaser.wmv


Thats pretty awesome, should be a great album :thumb:

[Quebec]

Cool website:
http://s92621507.onlinehome.us/img/oct_countdown.html

[AClotM1]

Yeah Alexi or what ever is a douche bag..

Petrucci > Alexi...

[vashts80]

I've been listening/watching a live version of The Glass Prison from Japan on their '02 tour. It pwns. I can't wait to go to the Gigantour if it comes to Philly.

[MAthiAS]

Yeah Alexi or what ever is a douche bag..

Petrucci > Alexi...
Still talking about this :lol:

Gigantour should come to Philly, Blackmail the Universe was there... and I saw the Electric Factory show.

[vashts80]

I was going to go to the Philly show back in November, but I didn't get tickets in time. :\

[MAthiAS]

That sucks, you missed a hell of a concert.

[Omega Red]

/has new album

[Omega Red]

/is listening to the new album

[The JoZ]

Somehow, I highly doubt you have the new album.

[bassist-bmxer]

The other night I watched the whole of the metropolis 2000 dvd with the band commentary, I was laughing so much! They are really funny.

But I swear JM spoke like 3 times :p

[BradyEB]

That Mike Bday sample got me so excited! i cant wait

[Quebec]

/has new album
/is listening to the new album
http://www.dreamtheater.net/bb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75206

[Omega Red]

http://www.dreamtheater.net/bb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75206
no i'm sure i have the right album

some one post a random title from the new album and i'll post it

[The JoZ]

How can you be so sure?

[Omega Red]

my bad i was wrong

[vashts80]

I like Stream of Conscisousness. I especially like the breakdown at about 5:25 and then that same breakdown comes in again around 6:30. It's pwnage. I wish I had a 6-sting bass.

[BradyEB]

Stream of Conscisousness owns \m/

[Distorted Vision]

http://dreamtheater.net/bb/showthread.php?threadid=76093

:lol:!

[clearvision]

Why lol?

Has it been leaked then?

[Triangle]

http://dreamtheater.net/bb/showthread.php?threadid=76093

:lol:!
:lol:

Nice!

[MNbassist78]

The Answer Lies Within (7:02) : I believe this song is written by Labrie and deals with his battle with his sexuality - "for days on end I sit and pray and hope to God that I'm not Gay"

:lol: Funny.....

[vashts80]

This Dying Soul is a continuation of Glass Prison, right? /me is confuzzled and can't remember

[Otherside]

Why lol?

Has it been leaked then?


Heheh, was a joke post m8 :thumb:

[MNbassist78]

This Dying Soul is a continuation of Glass Prison, right? /me is confuzzled and can't remember

Yeah it is.

[clearvision]

Meh, me = owned for not actually reading the post :(

[the2stranger]

why are all the official threads I post in moving so slowly lately? :(
DT
Opeth
Tool
all moving so slow, where are all the fans?

[clearvision]

Tool, slow, are you joking? We go through about 5 pages a night atm...

[Juicy_Forlorn]

Hi all. I'm a Dream Theater noob and I was wondering if you guys could help me out with something? I recently watched the Modern Drummer Festival 2003 DVD and Dream theater play an instrumental medley on it. Do you guys know what songs they play in it?

[Quebec]

Hi all. I'm a Dream Theater noob and I was wondering if you guys could help me out with something? I recently watched the Modern Drummer Festival 2003 DVD and Dream theater play an instrumental medley on it. Do you guys know what songs they play in it?
I think it was:

I The Dance of Eternity
II Metropolis pt.1
III Erotomania
IV The Dance of Eternity
V Metropolis pt.1
VI A Change of Seasons
VII Ytsejam
VIII The Dance of Eternity
IX Paradigm Shift
X Universal Mind
XI The Dance of Eternity
XII Hell's Kitchen

[Juicy_Forlorn]

Thanks man. :chug:

[Chu]

I'm not sure if this has already been asked, I checked the main site and it says new album is due 7th June, but what I want to know, have they released anything on like, how it will sound?
I really liked Train of Thought, and wondered if maybe they'll be doing another sort of heavy album?

[the2stranger]

as far as I know, there is a track from the new DT album ,on Labrie's solo album, but I'm not sure about it.

can't wait for june 7th :chug:

[Triangle]

can't wait for june 7th
Neither can I. Hurry up dammit!

[the2stranger]

anyone going to LaBrie's solo tour, he's performing a show in a few weeks an hour from where I live.

I'm not going though :(

[jpshortstuff]

I'm not sure if this has already been asked, I checked the main site and it says new album is due 7th June, but what I want to know, have they released anything on like, how it will sound?
I really liked Train of Thought, and wondered if maybe they'll be doing another sort of heavy album?


yeah same here

'The Root Of All Evil' sounds heavy (namewise of course) but some others sound like their earlier prog rock stuff

[Lord Abortion]

some others sound like their earlier prog rock stuff
hooray!!

that's what we want- another images and words!

[vashts80]

The commentary on the Metropolis 2000 DVD is 'kin amazing. Now to watch it WITHOUT band commentary. :)

[jpshortstuff]

i wouldnt mind another images & wordes, but i really would like another ToT or another song like The Glass Prison

im happy so long as they keep churning out the good stuff

[Chu]

So I'm reading the reviews for Images & Words on Amazon music (I'm thinking of buying it), there's alot of talk about Metropolis, Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper, and how Petrucci wrote it, here's a quote:

The subtle references Petrucci makes in the lyrics, such as: "Somewhere, like a scene from a memory," gives you an idea of what's to come.
So, is Petrucci doing vocals? :o
Because that would be kinda cool I reckon. (*Has no idea what Petrucci sounds like).

Edit: Another question, on Train of Thought, and I guess other CDs (I have been listenning to Train of Thought heaps lately, great album) who does backing vocals? Like in the song Honour Thy Father where James first starts singing there's an awesome almost-echo to his voice, I assume it's backing vocals? Who does them?

And is there a song where the bassist (John Myung?) sings?

[Triangle]

No, he just wrote it. Like a small story, it is.

[red barchetta]

So I'm reading the reviews for Images & Words on Amazon music (I'm thinking of buying it), there's alot of talk about Metropolis, Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper, and how Petrucci wrote it, here's a quote:


So, is Petrucci doing vocals? :o
Because that would be kinda cool I reckon. (*Has no idea what Petrucci sounds like).

Edit: Another question, on Train of Thought, and I guess other CDs (I have been listenning to Train of Thought heaps lately, great album) who does backing vocals? Like in the song Honour Thy Father where James first starts singing there's an awesome almost-echo to his voice, I assume it's backing vocals? Who does them?

And is there a song where the bassist (John Myung?) sings?
portnoy and petrucci do the backing vocals

[The JoZ]

Myung never does backing vocals. Hell, the man almost never speaks, let alone sings :lol:

[shamed-angel]

I'm not sure if this has already been asked, I checked the main site and it says new album is due 7th June, but what I want to know, have they released anything on like, how it will sound?
I really liked Train of Thought, and wondered if maybe they'll be doing another sort of heavy album?
I seriously hope they dont and It's more in the vain of Images and Words or Awake, Amazing albums, they are.

[meizmatt]

can anyone tell me when train of thought was released?
thanx

[Mister_Che]

can anyone tell me when train of thought was released?
thanx

2003 I think.

[vashts80]

Myung never does backing vocals. Hell, the man almost never speaks, let alone sings :lol:

Actually on the Metropolis 2000 DVD with the band commentary track, he speaks quite a lot. Myung = Awesomeness. He explains a lot of the story of Metropolis Pt. II, while the other 4 goof off and talk about food and stuff.

[nowitzki]

Myung never does backing vocals. Hell, the man almost never speaks, let alone sings :lol:
haha, thats true. if you listen to the band commentary on the Live Scenes DVD I think he says about 10 words in the whole thing

[The Depressed]

Actually on the Metropolis 2000 DVD with the band commentary track, he speaks quite a lot. He explains a lot of the story of Metropolis Pt. II ...

He says these words -

'This is John Myung.'

'I think it was a hundred. That was it.'

'It wasn't working out.'

'You don't know? It's the Infinity symbol.'

'Ace Of Spades.'

And that's pretty much it. Maybe one or two more sentences but those are the ones I remember. And I've watched the DVD with the commentary at least 50 times.

[juggalotricksta]

2003 I think.

I thought ToT was '04?


I just ordered the Number of The Beast & Master of Puppets albums. I'm super stoked to get em....does anybody have them that can tell me what to expect?

[Chu]

lol

I just ordered the Number of The Beast & Master of Puppets albums. I'm super stoked to get em....does anybody have them that can tell me what to expect?
Well, I dunno about the maiden one, but Master of Puppets :o
If you liked the original, everything about DT's version is amazing, especially their version of Orion, and in some songs I think Labrie does amazing vocals (But that works both ways, I don't like his voice in some songs).
Petrucci adds his own guitar work, I've only heard a Live cover (Dunno if they released a studio version?) and it was kinda bad quality, you can hear the guitar work, vocals and drums, fairly well, but the bass is drowned out, so I can't give a comment.

[3rdplanet]

ToT was November 2003 I think, 'cause I wanted to vote for it in a best of 2004, but it was actually 2003.

[juggalotricksta]

ToT was November 2003 I think, 'cause I wanted to vote for it in a best of 2004, but it was actually 2003.

Dayum my bad. So I'm sure by now we're all die hard fans....how did everyone find about DT? I used to look up tabs on MX, and one day I stumbled across the forums. It was a "best guitarist" discussion, and the name John Petrucci kept coming up. Well damned if I had ever heard of him...so I did a little research and found his band Dream Theater. After reading reviews on several of their albums, I decided Images and Words was the place to start. From the second I threw it on, I was hooked. Each musician is now my favorite in his particular field (save for LaBrie, who every now and then just gets in the way IMO.) Since then, I have bought all of their albums minus FII and Awake, the Budokan DVD, and I have taken quite a liking to both LTE albums as well.

So what are your stories?

[vashts80]

He says these words -

'This is John Myung.'

'I think it was a hundred. That was it.'

'It wasn't working out.'

'You don't know? It's the Infinity symbol.'

'Ace Of Spades.'

And that's pretty much it. Maybe one or two more sentences but those are the ones I remember. And I've watched the DVD with the commentary at least 50 times.

I could have sworn that was Myung giving the commentaries on the Metropolis Pt. II storyline, but maybe that was my ears deceiving me and it was really Portnoy or Petrucci.

[The JoZ]

1) Train of Thought was released 11-3-03, I believe.

2) I had seen CD reviews, but never really paid them any mind. I really decided to get into Dream Theater after hearing "As I Am" on the radio. Yes, the radio.

[juggalotricksta]

Joz I see you backin up ToT a lot. It seems like every third person just bashes it end to end, and I just wanna say I'm with you on that one. Its no less DT than any of their other albums, just because it has a little more edge to it. I've been watching you fight this one man battle, standing up for that album, and I second your motion.

:chug:

[vashts80]

I like ToT, the only song on it I don't like is Vacant, which imo is a strange filler track that does nothing other than introduce one of the main riffs for Stream of Conscisousness.

On another note, the drum solo in "Finally Free" is 'kin amazing.

[Chu]

Train of Thought is amazing!
I love it, I wish their next album was similar too, I did get let down by Train of Thought because I wanted more :(

[Lord of Sword]

So, is Petrucci doing vocals? :o
Because that would be kinda cool I reckon. (*Has no idea what Petrucci sounds like).


this is what petrucci sounds like. recorded from the budokan documentary, the audio and video isn't synced for some reason but you can hear him at least. you can also hear him clearly on ACOS and other songs on the live scenes from NY dvd, although at times i'd rather you couldn't.
http://s35.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1M2POMF55Y0Q63A4ZOYCM2JR26



as for ToT, it's one of my favourite albums and it's just the band playing as fast and as loud as they can. no one ever complained that chopin or paginini or whoever else back then played too fast, musicians have always tried to push instruments to their limits in terms of speed, but when a guitarist does it suddenly everyone is appalled and disgusted. it does have some good solos and riffs, although they are pretty basic compared to stuff off I&W and the other earlier albums. i hope the new one has some good old ACOS style complex riffing.
vacant i also like, and i've always thought of it exactly as an introduction to stream of conciousness, sort of like a vocal section leading into the main song. and if it was a filler, i doubt they'd go to the trouble of bringing in a chello player to play it, they'd just get jordan to play it or do a comedy piano backing.

[stevie-d-lux]

ToT is by far the best DT album