Dream Theater

[Happy]

I'm missing a lot of the DVDs :(

I just never have enough money.

[eug008]

I prefer buying DVD's>CD's for some reason. I spose they give the band more cash anyway.

[Inkstar]

I'm missing...

OH WAIT I HAVE THEM ALL!

MWHAHAHAH.

>_>

[jpshortstuff]

i gots most of 'em, 'cept maybe a DVD or 2. oh and cd versions of some DVDs i have.

[ghettoeddo]

charity fund for MX members w/o Cd's/DVD's!

haha

[jpshortstuff]

^^haha yeah

i know it would take a bit longer but how about a charity fund for MXers without a JP sig 7-string MusicMan?

[ghettoeddo]

then put me in there too
that's hwat i REALLY wanted...but it took way too long and so i went out adn bought a 6-string...and now im lookig for a 7-string somewhere near as decent with a tremolo...and i kinda regret shellin out all my money for a 6-string whne i could have a 7-string by now.

i think ill hvae to settle w/ the ibanez RG1527.. :(

[jpshortstuff]

i think ill hvae to settle w/ the ibanez RG1527.. :(
i ordered one of they last week :)

i know it can't compare to the JP MusicMan but moeny is a factor so thats what i went for. should be in the shop any day now...

[GenuineImitation]

CD's I own:

Images and Words
Awake
A Change of Seasons
Falling Into Infinity
Once in a Livetime
Scenes from a Memeory
Live Scenes From NY
6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Train of Thought
Live at Budokon
Octavarium
Score

DVD's:
Images and Words Live in Tokyo/5 Years in a Livetime
Metropolis 2000: Scenes From Mew York
When Dream and Day Re-Unite
Live at Budokon
Score


Besides the Ytse Jam Bootlegs, Im only missing When Dream and Day Unite. Im going to be buying all the bootlegs soon though.

[ghettoeddo]

hardcore.

that's what we call MANcore.

jp, tell me how the rg1527 goes
haha it sounds like im talking to the petrucc. i wish...

[GenuineImitation]

hardcore.

that's what we call MANcore.

jp, tell me how the rg1527 goes
haha it sounds like im talking to the petrucc. i wish...


Im a hardcore fan, what can I say.

[jpshortstuff]

jp, tell me how the rg1527 goes
haha it sounds like im talking to the petrucc. i wish...
haha, like JP would use a RG1527 :rolleyes:
im so :cool: i have the same initials as JP. also, many great guitarists names begin with J: JP, Satch, Jason Becker... er im sure theres more. i should be up there soon ;)

yeah i tell you how the 1527 is, i should get it this weekend.

[Atica]

Thar's a good guitar, when you get it you must show us a picture of it :p

[Tojes]

I saw Score with a discount yesterday.


:-0

It didn't seem very cheap so I didn't take it. I'll pick up Slayer instead. I think.

[ghettoeddo]

...

*slapslapslapslapslap*

the only thing i didnt like about the RG1527 is that 1) it's ibanez and 2) it seemed very chunky and 3) it's only in that blue color

[Happy]

What's wrong with Ibanez?
and that colour is very sexy.

[ghettoeddo]

ibanez...idk. they seem to have a mechanical tone.

i much prefer petrucci's musicman over his ibanez.

i'd like a darker color or at least a darker shade of blue....i mean it's a 7-string for god's sake :]

[eighty d]

Pickups and amp play a much bigger role in tone than guitar brand. Granted, Ibanez doesn't put very good stock pickups in their lower end guitars, but when upgraded you can get a nice playing/sounding guitar for not a lot of money.

[Luc214]

Yes but the guitar brand will play a role in playability and feel.

[ghettoeddo]

there seems to be that stereotype running that ibanez is more machine-like and "factory-based."
idk. maybe that plays into my psyche a bit.

the rg1527 will still be what i'm most likely gonna get just cuz im a whore for trem bars :]
i cant wait to play the mirror

[jpshortstuff]

ATTN: ghettoeddo - the RG1527 is available in Galaxy black, thats what im getting :thumb:
yeah, it is a bit chunky tho.

[eug008]

This it?

http://images2.dmusic.com/users/a/l/e/alecs/50075.jpg

Im also kinda lookning for a 7 string, anyone tried Schecter? Don't have that much cash and it seems to be what the guitar forum has in mind.

[jpshortstuff]

^^yeah thats it, hehe i posted the same pic when showing someone else in this forum

i haven't tried any Schecters out, even though they are widely recommended for first/cheaper 7Strings.

[eug008]

Yeah, this would be my first 7 string. They don't look that bad either except I wanna try it out before I think aboiut getting one and I can't find on anywhere :mad:. Although I tried some not so expnsive Ibanez 7 and it was fairly good.

[Liquid Fantasy]

About that 7, if you want something really cheap but good for the price the Washburn x17 (i think thats the model) is really good and cheap, or if you want a 7 that you will want to maintain for a fair amount of years that schecter you are talking about could be a good deal.

[jpshortstuff]

^^ so your saying that this Ibanez isn't a good choice?

np: ACOS

[Happy]

What about Jp's Musicman 7 string?

[bwnstl]

what other thread ar eyou realy active in? not this one...but i've seen you somewhere. a lot.

ISIS, any post-rock, Muse (obviously), Daily Upload, Mastodon occasionally, The Mars Volta

[ghettoeddo]

What about Jp's Musicman 7 string?

that would be godsend, but i've got hte 6-string and it was pricey enough.

do these 7-strings you guys are throwing out have TREMOLO BARS??!!

[Inkstar]

Damn guitarists.

So yeah, Portnoy's Starclassic is pretty nice.

Too bad I play Sonor. >_>

[eug008]

About that 7, if you want something really cheap but good for the price the Washburn x17 (i think thats the model) is really good and cheap, or if you want a 7 that you will want to maintain for a fair amount of years that schecter you are talking about could be a good deal.
Yeah I do, I don't want anything too cheap, just somthing relitivley cheap.

[Atica]

Once I tried the 7-string guitar of a friend, I don't remember the name of the brand, but it was cheap (like $260) and sounded pretty good.

[Duman]

I have a 7-string :cool:

/Plays The Mirror

[ghettoeddo]

sooo jealous :\

[eug008]

Ture, I'm sick of downtuning my guitar to 7 string and having loose strings :mad:

EDIT: DT are recording new album atm. and it is due to be released March/April next year.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=59931

[Inkstar]

Tsk tsk. l2joinMPforum.

The members at blabbermouth are such dickheads.

[jpshortstuff]

March/april is so far away :(

i'll have to pass the time by watching Score repeatedly...

[eug008]

Damn, theres so many albums coming out at the start of next year, it's gonna be crazy.

[jpshortstuff]

DT & Chimaira are the only ones i can think of that i want.

[eug008]

Oh yeah, that "Another Won" song you wanted is uploading now. You got msn or aim?

[jpshortstuff]

i'm afraid not. it would help but i promise i won't ask you for something for a while. probably not. maybe. i'll try my best.

[eug008]

It's cool man, sent btw :) Enjoy.

[jpshortstuff]

cheers a bunch dude, i owe you big time :)

[eug008]

No problem mate.

[Inkstar]

Another Won is awesome. And to think it's the first song they ever wrote.

I love how at the end of the song, in SCORE, MP looks at the Majesty logo then looks at his wrist like a watch and just has the look of "holy ****... we are awesome. 20 years later and we're playing that garage/basement song at Radio City."

[Happy]

His mirror on his kit made me laugh.

I think he has a drinks holder on it as well.

[Inkstar]

Yeah. He's had one on every kit. The lens was awesome. I loved how the camera sometimes starts by being zoomed right up on the lens, then zooms out.

[ghettoeddo]

yaaaaaay new album :]

i also eagerly await portnoy's collaboration w/ akerfeldt and wilson. that would be godsend.

[Happy]

Ive been waiting for that for ages, I hope it does come together eventually.

[Inkstar]

Oh, and old news, but MP's doing a new drum instructional dvd called 'In Constant Motion'. It's going to own so ****ing much it's imcomprehendible.

Yeah, don't fix that spelling up.

[eug008]

Same here, that Portnoy/Akerfeldt/Wilson thing should be insane.

[jpshortstuff]

(Dream Theater - JLB) + Akerfeldt = teh secks

no disrespect to JLB.

i know that would work because of writing style conflicts etc but a man can dream eh?

[Inkstar]

DT would not be DT with a different singer.

[eug008]

Exactly, DT being DT with Akerfeldt

:confused:

[Happy]

DT would never work with growling.

[misfits967]

I wonder how many musicians commit suicide because of Dream Theater daily?

[BurningSky]

Well, if Akerfeldt replaced JLB, then JP's guitar duties would have to be split with Akerfeldt as well. Also, Akerfeldt could stick to clean vox for a DT project, his voice is better than JLB IMO anyway...

[ghettoeddo]

I wonder how many musicians commit suicide because of Dream Theater daily?

exactly 3,019 per day.

[eighty d]

Also, Akerfeldt could stick to clean vox for a DT project, his voice is better than JLB IMO anyway...

Akerfeldt's clean vocals are good, very soothing, but he can't touch JLB in terms of range or power.

[Atica]

I wonder how many musicians commit suicide because of Dream Theater daily?

exactly 3,019 per day.
:lol:

[ghettoeddo]

i plan to follow suit in a month or so if i can't play the shredding bit in octavarium soon.

[Happy]

Man I've been trying that for about 4 months and failing.

[cupcakejazznmetal]

So i've been listening to alot of softer stuff latley and really like the song hollow years, but its getting repeated alot lol so i was wondering if you smart people could direct me to some similar songs:chug:
Thanx
Steph:thumb:

[Happy]

Well there's nothing really similar to Hollow years but you got some more softer songs that are great like:
Another Day
The Silent Man
Space-Dye Vest (a bit dark, but still great)
Take my Pain Away
The Spirit Carries On
Disappear
The Answer Lies Within.

[Jim]

Another Day is awesome. Sax solo. Ooh yeah. :cool:

The Answer Lies Within is pretty good, too.

[RockStar]

So I had the once in a livetime cd but lost it and really really really really need to hear crimson sunrise again :(

oh and scenes from a memory is THE best album ever!

[Inkstar]

oh and scenes from a memory is THE best album ever!

+11111111111

[eug008]

Finally Free = sechs :naughty:

[Charlie Manson]

Definetly don't by that "Images and Words" compact disc that was the worst $29.95 I ever spent in my life and I still harbour the grudge.

[Charlie Manson]

Another Day is awesome. Sax solo. Ooh yeah. :cool:

Yeah I have to admit the saxophone solo is a good listen.

[eug008]

You heard any other album by DT yet?

[Happy]

Definetly don't by that "Images and Words" compact disc that was the worst $29.95 I ever spent in my life and I still harbour the grudge.

$29.95?
That's a bit steep man.

[Liquid Fantasy]

I spent 12 something bucks for my Images and Words.

[eug008]

$29.95?
That's a bit steep man.
Australian $. That's about 12 pounds or whatever you use there. Still is expensive for an album I guess, I usually get them for $20 max.

[Jim]

I got mine for $9.99 Australian. JB you've done it again!™

[Charlie Manson]

You heard any other album by DT yet?
nah i'm not risking it. I think listening to images ands words caused my brain to be bored to a level that caused irreversible damage.

[jpshortstuff]

if you're gonna post valid reasons why you don't like DT in here thats fine, but saying **** like that is just pointless and you're just pissing us all off.

[Charlie Manson]

if you're gonna post valid reasons why you don't like DT in here thats fine, but saying **** like that is just pointless and you're just pissing us all off.
I've posted my valid reasons.

* The singer lacks emotion, in both vocal presentation and the lyrical content.
* The drum tracks are very dull and uninspiring. They lack energy and emotion.
* Images and Words is utterly boring and uniteresting, with the exception of the guitar solo's and sax solo in "Another Day".

[jpshortstuff]

right then, was there any reason for:I think listening to images ands words caused my brain to be bored to a level that caused irreversible damage
the phrase 'looking for a fight' springs to mind. (thats not a very good phrase but you know what i meant)

[Charlie Manson]

Yes Images and Words lacks meaningful content. It's just like 8 or 9 etudes or something. When I pay my hard earned money on a CD I want meaningful content.

[jpshortstuff]

maybe you just not looking hard enough for the meaning.

whatever dude, im not forcing you to like (or even respect) Dream Theater, just don't come in here to trash the band with your unmatched powers of sarcasm and wit.

[Chu]

Hey Plexi :wave:

How's things down there?

[Charlie Manson]

not too bad at the moment, although I am a little worse for wear.

jpshortstuff, I don't want a fight so stop picking with me. Find someone else.

[jpshortstuff]

find someone else who comes into this thread and trashes the music/band?? were low on those people atm im afraid.

anywho,
does anyoone know who wrote the lyrics for Another Won, and whether they were written especially for Score or have they played it with vox at some other concerts?

[Cain]

Well, if Akerfeldt replaced JLB, then JP's guitar duties would have to be split with Akerfeldt as well. Also, Akerfeldt could stick to clean vox for a DT project, his voice is better than JLB IMO anyway...

Akerfeldt's compositional sensibility and sense of dynamics is much more highly advanced than John Petrucci's is, besides being completely different.

And he's a much better singer than LaBrie. Still and all, it would not be Dream Theater.

[Charlie Manson]

find someone else who comes into this thread and trashes the music/band?? were low on those people atm im afraid.
Dude what right did you have to infer that I hadn't found the meaning of the dream theatre songs? What are your credentials as a musician? Well?

[jpshortstuff]

you said yourself that they lacked meaning. i was just throwing the idea that you might try and find a meaning in them out there.

enough of this arguing anyway.

[ghettoeddo]

Akerfeldt's compositional sensibility and sense of dynamics is much more highly advanced than John Petrucci's is, besides being completely different.

And he's a much better singer than LaBrie. Still and all, it would not be Dream Theater.

although i disagree w/ the first part, i agree w/ the second.

i dont want anyone to replace JLB because it just wouldn't be the same

[ghettoeddo]

how does one define "energetic" drum tracks? i listen to portnoy's beats on I&W and i think they're highly energetic.

i think most of the band's energy comes from HIM more than anyone else. and JLB is great on the albums, althouhg he can come off as tired live. but well...try singing 3 hours every night for months at a time. i dont blame them at all.

[Happy]

anywho,
does anyoone know who wrote the lyrics for Another Won, and whether they were written especially for Score or have they played it with vox at some other concerts?

Probably written by Petrucci, kinda sounds like his style.

And yeah they've played it with vocals before, it's not just for Score.

[ghettoeddo]

i didnt know another won was originally an instrumental

[Collis]

how does one define "energetic" drum tracks? i listen to portnoy's beats on I&W and i think they're highly energetic.



Go listen to The Mars Volta - Cygnus...Vismund Cygnus

[Charlie Manson]

you said yourself that they lacked meaning. i was just throwing the idea that you might try and find a meaning in them out there.
Yes but I'm like 100 times a more better musician than you dt knobs so you should trust my judgement.

[ghettoeddo]

uh...what gives?

prove it.

i really resent that statement...you can't just assume that anyone who listens to DT is automatically a bad musician.

[Charlie Manson]

I'm not saying you're bad musicians, just that I have alot more experience as a musician and alot better techniqual skills. You can sit in your room whacking off to this etudal rubbish all you like. But while you're doing it, the more talented amongst us will be out in the real music world getting paid to play infront of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people per-year across the whole of our lovely sunburnt country.

[silicon71]

I'm not saying you're bad musicians, just that I have alot more experience as a musician and alot better techniqual skills. You can sit in your room whacking off to this etudal rubbish all you like. But while you're doing it, the more talented amongst us will be out in the real music world getting paid to play infront of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people per-year across the whole of our lovely sunburnt country.

I don't understand the point of going into a DT thread to bash the band and claim that you are a better musician then everyone. It just makes you seem like a gigantic douchebag tbh.

[ghettoeddo]

yea what he said.

so justify your "better musicianship" buddy. you have no idea the level of personal musicianship of any of these people in this thread

[kingsoby1]

It just makes you seem like a gigantic douchebag tbh.
Agreed, what an ***... and "more technical" musician doesn't mean "better".

Dream Theater is solid; they were more-so a gateway band into progressive music for me. I don't really listen to them anymore, but I still respect them.

[Atica]

Yes but I'm like 100 times a more better musician than you dt knobs so you should trust my judgement.

You don't know how each one in this thread plays. Get out of here.

[RockStar]

I'm not saying you're bad musicians, just that I have alot more experience as a musician and alot better techniqual skills. You can sit in your room whacking off to this etudal rubbish all you like. But while you're doing it, the more talented amongst us will be out in the real music world getting paid to play infront of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people per-year across the whole of our lovely sunburnt country.

Plexi you bitch. when are you coming to Brisbane?!?!?! Oh and buy scenes from a memory. It's an unreal DT album.

[Charlie Manson]

Plexi you bitch. when are you coming to Brisbane?!?!?! Oh and buy scenes from a memory. It's an unreal DT album.
Possibly next year but we'll see. If the tour that includes brisbane goes ahead, it will be around September.

yea what he said.

so justify your "better musicianship" buddy. you have no idea the level of personal musicianship of any of these people in this thread
I have no reason to justify my level of professionalism to you impertinent fools. I did not come to this thread to bash the band, merely to give my recommendation of what to avoid when listening to Dream Theatre. It was only after you're incessant prodding that I elaborated further about my thoughts on the band.

[RockStar]

Let me know on msn/email if you are coming up.

[Charlie Manson]

completely_flipping_barmey@hotmail.com is my msn atm

[Inkstar]

Charlie, dude, just **** off. I respect that you don't like the band, whatever, that's your opinion, but you don't come in here and just bash the band about. You're obviously looking for an argument if you come into the official thread of band, well-knowing that it's full of FANS of the band, and speak **** about them.

And then saying that you're a million times a better musician than us? Dude. That kind of shows what person you are. You havn't heard any of us play, and just because we listen to DT doesn't mean we arn't good musicians. I don't like Indie or Punk too much, but that doesn't mean I'm going to invade their threads, tell them their music sucks, and then tell them I'm a better musician because they don't listen to what I think is proper "music".

Really, all it comes down to is this:
It's impossible for you to say you're a better musician than us if you havn't heard us play.



Oh, and about Another Won - that was the first song DT ever wrote (back in 1985) so it's not just for SCORE.

[Captain Quentin]

**** off charlie manson

thats all i have to say, you dunderhead :chug:

[jpshortstuff]

Oh, and about Another Won - that was the first song DT ever wrote (back in 1985) so it's not just for SCORE.
i was asking if the lyrics were just for Score, i have the instrumental version from 1985. Happy answered my question anyway.

Oh and Charlie, if your claiming that you're a better musician than all of us (which is a bullshit claim right there), and you're one of the 'talented' lot because you're gonna get paid to play infront of 100,000s of fans, then what do you think Dream Theater do? do they not play at any concerts because they don't have any fans. no, they have those 100,000s of fans that only 'talented' musicians have so just quit your "im better than DT and everyone who listens to them by default" act and go bother some other 'talentless band'.

[Chu]

I'm not saying you're bad musicians, just that I have alot more experience as a musician and alot better techniqual skills. You can sit in your room whacking off to this etudal rubbish all you like. But while you're doing it, the more talented amongst us will be out in the real music world getting paid to play infront of hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people per-year across the whole of our lovely sunburnt country.
Granted, I'm in a small time band, but I often play small gigs, with other local bands, for crowds of about 30/50 people, and we've only been together (As a performing band), for a few months.

Edit: I don't think bashing Plexi is a smart choice, he has been a sort of semi-DT thread regular for a while now, and it has only been recently (Actually, as far as I remember, wasn't until the previous posts), where he actually got fairly abusive to DT. He's usually quite respectable, and understands that we enjoy DT, I find it refreshing that he comes in occaisonally, he usually gets more discussion going :)

[Inkstar]

i was asking if the lyrics were just for Score, i have the instrumental version from 1985. Happy answered my question anyway.

Ah k, didn't read right dude. Sorry bout that.

[jpshortstuff]

np mate, np.

np: Sacrificed Sons

[Eliminator]

I like how everyone takes plexi seriously.

[Jacaranda]

I like how everyone takes Dream Theater seriously also.

[Charlie Manson]

Charlie, dude, just **** off. I respect that you don't like the band, whatever, that's your opinion, but you don't come in here and just bash the band about. You're obviously looking for an argument if you come into the official thread of band, well-knowing that it's full of FANS of the band, and speak **** about them.
Look I'm not bashing Dream Theatre. I'm just bashing their singer and their drummer's perfromances on the album "Images and Words."

Really, all it comes down to is this:
It's impossible for you to say you're a better musician than us if you havn't heard us play.
Hmm the fact that I haven't heard you play is a good indication you've never been in a signed band, have never been a touring solo artists or the like. I realise I come off very arrogant at times, but that's the way it is. In my experience, it is the etudal players who revel in this music.

Once upon a time I was an etudal player, hell when I was 12 I even made a comment that was something like:

"Song lyrics don't matter one bit. The human voice just has pleasing tonal aspects that suit it to carry a melody. If it weren't so tedious, singing the same word over and over again would suffice from a musical standpoint and would not detract from the songs overall appeal."

But as I got older, more mature and a much seasoned musician I realised alot of things about music. When we speak, the words we say gives the listener a precise message. But at the same time, our body language will communicate a non-specific message that supports what we say. This should be the relationship lyrics are to music. The lyrical content is the most important part, it's the precise message. It needs to have phrases which can pinpoint exactly what we are trying to express. The music is just an extension of a body language. It will set the mood of the piece. With the right music, and the right tone of voice, a simple phrase can gain so much meaning. For example, the phrase "Beneath the starry sky I sit and watch and wait" gives the listener a precise picture of what the lyricist is doing, but it doesn't give the listener any idea of the lyricists frame of mind. With the right instrument mixes, chord progessions and voicings one can alter the meaning of that phrase an infinite number of times. That's the magic of music.

A song is very different from a novel, in the 3 minutes, verses and choruses you have to tell your story completely. This is why the musical setting is so important. If the music paints a mood you don't need to waste precious words in describing the mood of the piece.

In my learned opinion, the musical introduction should be enough to set the mood of the lyricist, and perhaps hint at a setting. A solo acoustic guitar is a good indication of a lonely man, strumming away in his bedroom. If the guitar playing is slightly clumsy, uneven or otherwise 'unproffesional' it's a good indication that the lyricist is stressed, drunk, depressed or otherwise in a 'bad' state of mind. The opening chord progression will determine the mood. A progession can tell the listener if the lyricist is happy of sad. Joyful or mournful. Factors such as tempo and phrasing can further imply moods of boredom, excitement etc. etc.

All these factors can be shared with the audience within the first 5 or 6 seconds, even before the first lyric is spoken. This leaves the lyricist free to tell a detailed story in his limited space without having to waste precious syllables on mood and/or setting. There ought to be clarification in the lyrics from time to time, but never should a lyricist have to use phrases that directly relate to his mood to convey his mood. He can if they are a nice lyrical addition, but it should be entirely optional.

By now you are probably thinking to yourself, "Where is he going with this?" Well to cut to the chase, I don't see much of this in DT's music. Even though the songs are very lengthy, by the end of the piece I am still very much undecided over the most basic elements of the mood and the setting. I cannot tell if he is excited, if he is fearful. If he is omniscipient or confused etc. etc.

That's just one of my many thought's on this matter, and if I am further pressed by you grubby little plebs I may type them out further. But first, I will give you ample opputunity to refute this.

[jpshortstuff]

i am quite happy for you to dislike Dream Theater, especially when you explain you reasoning like you have. i know you have mentioned before why you do not like them.
the only reason i started having a problem with you was when some of your posts started becoming more arrogant; just saying that 'this album is terrible' and so on.
even in your last post (which was, up until the end perfectly reasonable): calling us 'grubby little plebs' because we like this sort of music was just going too far.

even bashing members individual members like the Drummer and Singer is quite outlandish(?) as there are many who admire and model themselves on their styles for their own, perfectly valid reasons, and its not up to you to discard these reasons and say you're right and everyone else who thinks different is an idiot.

as i've said, no one has a problem with you hating DT's music and we are all happy to let you post here with your reasons, but please keep the bashing of band and fans alike out of here.

EDIT: i actually qiute liked you describing how you viewed a song and its lyrical content - i've never looked at songs like that before (im not a lyrical person myself)

[ghettoeddo]

see i have no problem with any of what you said except for the fact that you decide to end a nice eloquent argument with "grubby little plebs."

well hello mr. high and mighty i tour and play in front of 100,000 people all the time.

if anything, you could be using your -vast- knowledge and obvious superior musicianship to help other people become more like the great person you are. but rather, you resort to calling those below you "grubby little plebs" and whatever else you threw at us the past few days. if you're looking to teach us something, perhaps you should lose that arrogance or at least tone it down a bit.

no matter how well-phrased your arguments were...statements like that make me unable to take you seriously. and while you may not think my opinion of you matters at all, to be quite honest my opinion of you isn't very high even if you do play in front of large crowds.

[Inkstar]

The fact that you play infront of alot of people doesn't mean that you're a good musician. I would say 80% of becoming famous is just being in the right place at the right time. Half the pop bands you see out there can barely play to save their lives, and most don't even write their own music. The only reason they're on MTV and playing for all the teeny boppers is because they have good looks, and someone who realises that their image sells. Half the musicians on this forum could kick the living crap out of those poppy bands in terms of actual playing ability, but hardly anyone on here is famous because of the simple fact that they are unable to get involved with the right connections and people.

You can not tell us that we are bad musicians because we're not famous. That's just a complete load of bull****. For all we know, you could be a very average player, but are only playing in front of audiences because of the reasons I stated above.

Fame does not measure a musician.

[Charlie Manson]

The fact that you play infront of alot of people doesn't mean that you're a good musician. I would say 80% of becoming famous is just being in the right place at the right time.
Haha I'm not exactly famous. I'm very well known in my home state, but certainly not famous. However, I have done some playing in the backing groups for very high profile artists. Regardless of what you think the pop industry's standards are for musicians, they are very high. Sure, I've got loads of gigs from being in the right place at the right time. But when the 'right place' is the at the top of the music food chain, and when the 'right time' is all the time, you've no right to thumb your nose at me. It's very easy to be a heckler, standing in the shadows of the stage calling out "I could have done that, it's just you were lucky." but it's much harder to actually fight your way to the top (which is where all the 'luck' comes to you.)


Half the pop bands you see out there can barely play to save their lives, and most don't even write their own music. The only reason they're on MTV and playing for all the teeny boppers is because they have good looks, and someone who realises that their image sells. Half the musicians on this forum could kick the living crap out of those poppy bands in terms of actual playing ability, but hardly anyone on here is famous because of the simple fact that they are unable to get involved with the right connections and people.
You severely underestimate the ability of musicians in today's pop industry. You also severely overestimate the ability of the snotty little brats on this forum. But that aside, these days my gigs are not in the pop music scene. I work as a solo instrumentalist, either as a guest artist for organisations or performing completely by myself. By the way, making connections is not difficult when you genuinely are at the very uppercrust of your local field. The people that have trouble making connections usually have trouble because there are thousands of musicians with similiar skills as they have.

You can not tell us that we are bad musicians because we're not famous. That's just a complete load of bull****. For all we know, you could be a very average player, but are only playing in front of audiences because of the reasons I stated above.

Fame does not measure a musician.
:rolleyes:

[Charlie Manson]

see i have no problem with any of what you said except for the fact that you decide to end a nice eloquent argument with "grubby little plebs."

well hello mr. high and mighty i tour and play in front of 100,000 people all the time.

[QUOTE=ghettoeddo;13466592]if anything, you could be using your -vast- knowledge and obvious superior musicianship to help other people become more like the great person you are. but rather, you resort to calling those below you "grubby little plebs" and whatever else you threw at us the past few days. if you're looking to teach us something, perhaps you should lose that arrogance or at least tone it down a bit.
Hey that's unfair, I was trying to help in this thread by recommending he not buy "Images and Words" it wasn't till I was pounced upon and verbally assaulted did I feel the need to insult some of the posters.



no matter how well-phrased your arguments were...statements like that make me unable to take you seriously. and while you may not think my opinion of you matters at all, to be quite honest my opinion of you isn't very high even if you do play in front of large crowds.
Yeah this is starting to suck abit because, beleive it or not, I don't like being a jerk on the internet. Maybe we can agree that I'm allowed to voice my opinion of albums without having being insulted, and in return I will not pull out the "I'm a better musician" card? Deal?

[RideTheSpiral]

lol plexi you idiot

[ghettoeddo]

you've got yourself a deal plexi or manson or wizard of oz or whoever you are :smoke:

s'all good. and now that i think about it...i think you -were- pounced on for saying you didnt like I&W haha

[RideTheSpiral]

Definetly don't by that "Images and Words" compact disc that was the worst $29.95 I ever spent in my life and I still harbour the grudge.


You heard any other album by DT yet?

nah i'm not risking it. I think listening to images ands words caused my brain to be bored to a level that caused irreversible damage.


:lol: yeah he was definitley pounced on. just minding his own business and bam interrogation time!

[Atica]

The problem begun when he said he was 1000 times a better musician than all of us, so everybody started posting. But, it doesn't matter anymore.:smoke:

I was watching G3 Live in Tokyo, and wanted to know if someone knows why didn't Dave DiCenso performed with John Petrucci.

[Inkstar]

Because MP is awesome.

[Lord Abortion]

I was listening to I&W with my lady in my arms the other day...bliss man, bliss.

[Charlie Manson]

I was listening to I&W with my lady in my arms the other day...bliss man, bliss.

hmm I'm going to refrain from commenting on your choice of listening material...

[Happy]

Because MP is awesome.

I think he's quite funny in the background.

[jpshortstuff]

and he just runs away at the end of the song.

JS: "Thanks Mike..."
*one drumstick is left rotating slowely on the seat*

not that fast but y'know...

G3 is damn good, i need to either buy it or borrow it from my mate permanently.

[DaveTheAmazing]

I've had I&W for months and still I can't get over the cheesiness.

[jpshortstuff]

get SFAM then. or ToT if you're into the heavier stuff (as i've just seen you in teh Opeth thread :wave:). I&W isn't a good starter if you're not a fan of cheese.

[DaveTheAmazing]

Hello again :wave:

I have every DT album apart from their first. 6DOIT owns your soul

[GenuineImitation]

Hello again :wave:

I have every DT album apart from their first. 6DOIT owns your soul

Yes, 6DOIT does indeed own my soul and I am happy about that. :)

[jpshortstuff]

ah right haha, mistook you for a DT newb :o

it took me a while to like i&w despite it being my 2nd album. get used to the less cheesy tracks (Another Day, wait for sleep... er... thats it) and work from there i guess.
oh wait: listen to Metropolis pt1 repeatedly. if you like SFAM do this and it'll be fine.

[trysthedrummer]

I&W was the first album I ever heard, must have been in 2001 when I first heard dt, my brother put the tracks on gta! :)

[Happy]

How did he manage that?

[trysthedrummer]

On the pc version of gta3, you can add your own tracks to play in the game. Can do it with any gta pc game.

[ghettoeddo]

:lol: yeah he was definitley pounced on. just minding his own business and bam interrogation time!

well it seems like his opinion's based off of purely I&W, so someone asked if he heard anything else that's all :smoke:

[eug008]

^^^^^

What he said cause I remeber somewhere back in the thread that he was gonna check out Score or somthing.

[Inkstar]

Wait... wait what's that?

Wait.. I.. I think.. yes? Yes? Yes!

Yes that's right! Ink is seeing G3's first gig in Australia next month!

Wait and.. there's more? Yes?

Yes! I think Ink has premium tickets to the show. Third row? Special t-shirt? Meet and greet backstage? Chance to go on stage for the encore?

I thought so. (H)

/runs

[Charlie Manson]

err congratulations?

[Happy]

Chance to go on stage for the encore?


Wait you can do that just by buying a premium ticket?

[RockStar]

Wait... wait what's that?

Wait.. I.. I think.. yes? Yes? Yes!

Yes that's right! Ink is seeing G3's first gig in Australia next month!


ummmm no you're not... I am :smash:

gogo dave dicenso

[ghettoeddo]

it'd be cool to see it in person, but i dont care too much for G3...the jams are actually quite boring for me :\ i'd rather see the individual sets btu have fun and take pictures w/ them :]

[eug008]

haha, your such a showoff Ink :p

[Inkstar]

I know you hate it eug. :p

And I'm not so much into the jams either ghetto, I just want to see the individual sets. Especially want to see JP and MP live. It could be my only chance to ever see them.

Wait you can do that just by buying a premium ticket?

Premium ticket people get a chance to go on stage for it.

[Charlie Manson]

Hmm yeah that's pretty fan-boyish if you ask me.

[Inkstar]

Stop looking for another argument.

[ghettoeddo]

look he got banned.
who's going to disagree and argue with us now?

oh DT never goes down to australia huh...

[Happy]

Being banned has never stopped Plexi before :o

[Atica]

You are very lucky Inkstar. :mad: :p

[ghettoeddo]

Being banned has never stopped Plexi before :o

what were some of his other usernames? was he also wizard of oz?

[Chu]

Yeah.

[Inkstar]

How old is he? 11?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

On a badass scale of 1-10, what is he? 11?

Somewhere around there, yeah.

[ghettoeddo]

oh changing quotes so original :rolleyes:

NP: freakum dress-beyonce

[Happy]

Honestly though, outside of trolling this thread, Plexi is cool.


Anyway I made it through the whole of Score for the first time last night :)

[DaveTheAmazing]

I would have rather seen These Walls and Panic Attack rather than TALW and IWBY on Score. I could have done without 6DoIT as well. Also, would it have killed any of them to pay even the least bit of attention to the crowd?

[Duman]

I would have rather seen These Walls and Panic Attack rather than TALW and IWBY on Score. I could have done without 6DoIT as well. Also, would it have killed any of them to pay even the least bit of attention to the crowd?

What do you mean?

[Happy]

Yeah, but I think TALW was played due to the orchestra being there.
Panic Attack could've been done with the orchestra I guess, would've been more interesting.

They didn't pay attention to the crowd due to the time limit thing I guess.
Either that or it was edited out.

[Firecracker]

I would prefer to see Panic attack and These walls rather than those two aswell. But i'm glad 6doit is there. Meh it should be good, i can't believe i haven't got it yet.

[Duman]

Mike and James are constantly nodding at people and smiling and James actually talks in between songs etc. Jordan also does a lot of that. Myung never does anything anyway and Petrucci had 'a cold' apparently. Not that it's much of an excuse but still.

I'm obsessed with Another Won right now.

[Happy]

Ah that would explain why Petrucci looks pissed.

[Duman]

Haha yeah, the only times he shows emotion is the very start when they go in and the end when he's holding that high F near the end of Octavarium.

[ghettoeddo]

i would hate to play a 3 hour show every night with a cold...

hearing i walk beside you on score made me really like the song...it's so much better than the studio version. so im glad they played that. i really could've done without innocence faded; it's my least favorite off of awake.

[Duman]

Their song selection in general for the first set is a bit crap on the dvd.

[ghettoeddo]

i love every song except innocence faded...haha

i felt there was a lack of "hard" songs on score in general, but that can't be helped w/ the orchestra's presence and the time limit.
i cant complain, the songs tehy -did- play are fantastic

[Happy]

How comes?

That song is awesome, I love James' high notes in the second verse.

[ghettoeddo]

it's a decent song, it's just my least favorite off of awake. it seems so disjointed...i almost wana say "poorly written" and i love almost every song written by them. ever. that and TTTSTA are my least favorites

[Clunge]

Hmm, I'd have prefered a more Octavarium oriented DVD, seeing as it was the newest album being promoted on the tour.

+ It's my fave DT album :cool:.

[ghettoeddo]

mine too!
at the moment anyway

i have a question iw as gonna post here, but ill take it to the muse one instead haha

[trysthedrummer]

Great syncopated lick at the beginning of 6:00 that portnoy does. Good song anyway

[ghettoeddo]

yea that's a cool intro

his drumming on "i walk beside you" is pretty neat too barring the fact it's standard 4/4

[trysthedrummer]

Not bad album is Octavarium. At first I didn't think alot to it. Seems to be happening alot recently with all the cd's I've been getting recently

[ghettoeddo]

yea almost everything grows on you over time if you're just willing to give it more than a few listens

i mean...im listening to beyonce at the moment haha

[trysthedrummer]

Lol that's weird same here especially "Irreplaceable" :lol:

*waiting for you to tell me you were lying and I look a complete nob*

[ghettoeddo]

no dude.
the song after that...resentment. it's 15 minutes long (hidden track) and the middle is really good.

[Duman]

Hmm, I'd have prefered a more Octavarium oriented DVD, seeing as it was the newest album being promoted on the tour.

+ It's my fave DT album :cool:.

Well they did play more than half of it...

[ghettoeddo]

im watching score as we speak :]

[Duman]

Good on ya mate :thumb: