Dream Theater

[eug008]

I love John Petrucci :D

If you're bored, watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evTTHS9hwvU), and if you're really bored look for the first part of that series. It's pretty funny I think :D

*Not mine, but still...

:lol:

[ghettoeddo]

gahahaha
i laughed so hard.

kill yourself. kill yourself. *in low voice* killl yourselllf
eug008, i think i sent.

[eug008]

Haven't recieved it yet

btw its egg (underscore) knight@hotmail.com

[Happy]

I love John Petrucci :D

If you're bored, watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evTTHS9hwvU), and if you're really bored look for the first part of that series. It's pretty funny I think :D

*Not mine, but still...
Oh my god I haven't laughed so hard in ages, great find.

[jpshortstuff]

lol that was great the first one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hywld4xFHiM&mode=related&search=) is pretty good aswell

[Happy]

There'll probably be some more as the second was only posted 10 hours ago.

[Chu]

This (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=53656)!!!!

[Shattered_Future]

"I think you could do it at about 10...no more though. Cause you suck."

Quite funny...:lol:

[Happy]

This (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=53656)!!!!
Sounds cool, shame it's only LaBrie though

"I think you could do it at about 10...no more though. Cause you suck."

Quite funny...
"yeah I can do it about 4 billion, you can try 10, get up to 15 and give up"

[Lord Abortion]

Oh my god I haven't laughed so hard in ages, great find.
That puts hope back to wannabe guitarists everywhere!

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Sent
Woah!!...dt tool covers?

Reckon you could send em to edenthemaster@hotmail.com

Pwetty pwetty please:chug:

[ghettoeddo]

everyone's getting excited abt this little tool bit in lie.
it's really not that big a deal, it's like..a fewminutes at best. i couldn't even tell cuz i don't listen to that much tool.

ill send once i get it through to eug008

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

everyone's getting excited abt this little tool bit in lie.
it's really not that big a deal, it's like..a fewminutes at best. i couldn't even tell cuz i don't listen to that much tool.

ill send once i get it through to eug008


Oh right, i didn't read the rest i assumed you were talking full on tool covers.

But still i wouldn't mind it, thank you.

[mudvayne420]

is it 46 & 2.......oh wait thats in home.

[ghettoeddo]

i dont even know what tool song it is. to me, it just sounded like an extended jam.

[Happy]

everyone's getting excited abt this little tool bit in lie.
it's really not that big a deal, it's like..a fewminutes at best. i couldn't even tell cuz i don't listen to that much tool.

ill send once i get it through to eug008
What Tool bit in Lie? Is it on this bootleg or something?

[Chu]

Sounds cool, shame it's only LaBrie though
I was actually caring more about the reference to Score.

It has been briefly brought up in here (I went to a farm for the weekend, no internet, I'm still catching up :p), but for the few of us loyal fans, like myself, who didn't know, thought it could be cool :)

Edit: Yeah Mr Happy Dance. There's a live version of Lie with a Tool jam in the middle, pretty cool, but I have to say, it's probably John Petrucci's worst moment as far as tone goes, I'm not a fan of it, but LaBrie kills it.

[666Ozzfan]

Ok, so I have watched Live at the Budokan countless times. I also own Live in Tokyo/5 Years in a LiveTime. So, I'm loving Dream Theater, however I have no CDs, and I was wondering which albums would be better to start off with.

[Chu]

Images and Words, or Awake.

[Lionheart1827]

Images and Words, or Awake.

I 2nd Images and Words.

I'd also go for Scenes From A Memory as well.

Awake is a tough album to get into.:thumb:

[ghettoeddo]

awake IS a tough album to get into, but once you do...
you're hooked. it did not come out of my CD player for weeks.

at this point, i recommend 6 degrees.
i just realized how much DT's soudn depends on their keyboardist, and JR brings a lot to the band besides what you can hear. his compositional skills, his subtle orchestration and his ideas...
the overall sound quality of everything i think is most advanced in teh 6 degrees era.

[Chu]

it did not come out of my CD player for weeks.
It's still not out of my CD player, and it's been in there for almost a year :cool:

****en awesome CD, very close to my favourite album of all time..

Edit: Still, I think the earlier you get it and start listenning the faster you will appreciate it.

Plus, I never really got into Scenes that much.. Maybe cause it was my first DT album and when I heard it, just kinda thought meh...

[ghettoeddo]

hey those who wanted that lie w/ tool bits in it...it's notw orking for some erason sorry ><

eug008, you could get it yourself couldn't you? you're the one that sent me the daily upload issue haha

[Happy]

Edit: Yeah Mr Happy Dance. There's a live version of Lie with a Tool jam in the middle, pretty cool, but I have to say, it's probably John Petrucci's worst moment as far as tone goes, I'm not a fan of it, but LaBrie kills it.
Oh right.
I'm not too big a fan of tool, I thought they'd accused DT of stealing a riff or something in Lie :lol:

[ghettoeddo]

im pretty sure awake came out b4 anything tool did.
but i could be wrong. and i'm probably wrong.

[eug008]

hey those who wanted that lie w/ tool bits in it...it's notw orking for some erason sorry ><

eug008, you could get it yourself couldn't you? you're the one that sent me the daily upload issue haha

Oh is it in there? haha

[ghettoeddo]

yea it is...that's why you sent it to me..?
unless you didnt know the lie w/ tool was in the bootleg

NP: the silent man-pipo & elo :]

[eug008]

Damn i'm an idiot...

[Happy]

im pretty sure awake came out b4 anything tool did.
but i could be wrong. and i'm probably wrong.
Probably but you know how petty the music industry can get.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

im pretty sure awake came out b4 anything tool did.


Nope. Tool released Opiate around 1992 and Undertow in 1993.

[Kirk's Puppet]

When Dream & Day Reunite is freaking amazing.

[nowitzki]

What's this Tool jam? I've never heard about it.
DT are obviously Tool fans though, seeing as they ripped off the bassline from 46&2 in Home :p

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

don't forget about "The Great Debate". Some of it is pure Tool rip-off through and through.

[ghettoeddo]

ehh....rip-off or not...DT > TOOL
/end argument :smoke:

the great debate is an awesome song though yupyupyup
NP: erotomania-pipo&elo
these guys are awesome :]

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

ehh....rip-off or not...DT > TOOL
/end argument :smoke:

the great debate is an awesome song though yupyupyup
NP: erotomania-pipo&elo
these guys are awesome :]
123, I've been learning erotomania on bass recently, its so fun to play once you get it right.

I'm actually so excited about SCORE though, i cant wait to see the whole of SDOIT played live with an orchestra and then octavarium w/orchestra its gonna sound so sweet.

So who knew that james laBrie's real name is kevin?

[ghettoeddo]

i did haha
there was already a kevin moore though, so he used his middle name...

SCORE should be orgasmic.

NP: another day-acoustic dreams version

[bwnstl]

don't forget about "The Great Debate". Some of it is pure Tool rip-off through and through.

I never understood this comparison. What exactly are they ripping off? Tool used to be my favorite band, and I never got a Tool-vibe from TGD.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

i did haha
there was already a kevin moore though, so he used his middle name...

SCORE should be orgasmic.

NP: another day-acoustic dreams version
Damn:p:lol:

You heard the demo version of 'You not me' its called 'you or me'
IMO its much better, but i think they changed it to be more commercially accessable cus FII was supposed to be their more commercial album.

The only part thats not as good is that funky little breakdown in the middle.
Its off 'when demos and singles unite'

[Lord Abortion]

As some of you may have noticed, I'm getting slightly more into Tool with their new album, but I still think DT are so far ahead of them they can't even see them over the horizon.

I really like FII, the ballads really really rule.

[thewormyourhonor]

hahaha wanna here something funny? someone tried to tell me that kurt cobain was a better guitarist than john petrucci. LOL!!! some one obviously can't recognize talent. :amaze:

[Shattered_Future]

hahaha wanna here something funny? someone tried to tell me that kurt cobain was a better guitarist than john petrucci. LOL!!! some one obviously can't recognize talent. :amaze:

That's not funny...that's just disheartening...

[eug008]

hahaha wanna here something funny? someone tried to tell me that kurt cobain was a better guitarist than john petrucci. LOL!!! some one obviously can't recognize talent. :amaze:

Pure Idiot

[ghettoeddo]

hahaha wanna here something funny? someone tried to tell me that kurt cobain was a better guitarist than john petrucci. LOL!!! some one obviously can't recognize talent. :amaze:

there's one thing cobain was better than petrucci at.

using drugs.

in other words, i got busted by a cop tonight.
looong story haha :]
what a crazzzzy night

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

hahaha wanna here something funny? someone tried to tell me that kurt cobain was a better guitarist than john petrucci. LOL!!! some one obviously can't recognize talent. :amaze:
I think i can beat that unfortunatly:(

Someone once tried to tell me that blink182 were better than DT
His reasoning was "DT is all liek twinkly music mate"

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

As some of you may have noticed, I'm getting slightly more into Tool with their new album, but I still think DT are so far ahead of them they can't even see them over the horizon.

I really like FII, the ballads really really rule.
Yeah i think you're right, DT are miles ahead of tool but i am still a big tool fan.

Yeah although FII was more commercial i still think it was really good. 'Take away my pain' is really beautiful especially live on once in a livetime with the alto sax. Although i would have to say my favourite of the album is Trial of tears.

[ghettoeddo]

trial of tears is really great.

i also love budokan hollow years and peruvian skies for sure.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

trial of tears is really great.

i also love budokan hollow years and peruvian skies for sure.
I love the little 'Have a cigar' bit in peruvian skies on 'OIALT' it links in and out seamlessly.

I finally found out what those random metal things on the floor near petrucci are, apparently they are just glorified foot-rests for when he has to play a difficult passage:p

[ghettoeddo]

yea..haha
he keeps putting his foot on it.

i got his 6-string sig today :] the dark red sunburst or whatever...
a bit pricey, but i was short on cash and the guy even threw in the piezo switchbox and some cables as part of the deal so i got more for my $ :]

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

yea..haha
he keeps putting his foot on it.

i got his 6-string sig today :] the dark red sunburst or whatever...
a bit pricey, but i was short on cash and the guy even threw in the piezo switchbox and some cables as part of the deal so i got more for my $ :]
Yeah, loads of people were speculating that it was like a monitor or a speaker or something like that or something to do with sound quality and it turns out its just a foot-rest:lol:

Wow, awesome++:D How much did that set you back? pics?

I really want myungs six string fretless he plays on Through her eyes on scenes from new york...But that must cost a bomb and i'm only working part time

[eug008]

I think i can beat that unfortunatly:(

Someone once tried to tell me that blink182 were better than DT
His reasoning was "DT is all liek twinkly music mate"

"Twinkly Music"

:lol:

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

"Twinkly Music"

:lol:
Tell me about it:confused:
Was a bluddy emo as well, i refused to talk to him for the rest of the night after that.

[evilbadger]

Hahaha I remember that! And then you threw that rock he found, with the blink182 lyrics on, into the sea. He cried for like...an hour.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Hahaha I remember that! And then you threw that rock he found, with the blink182 lyrics on, into the sea. He cried for like...an hour.
Yeah, then he tried to make a DT stone to "prove" they were sellouts, then he went and spelt it wrong funny stuff:lol:

[plexiglass teh gay]

DT are unimaginative, uncreative and unexciting. There music is some of the boringest ever composed.

[evilbadger]

Prog: boring and unimaginative?!!!!

How is that possible? Are you sure it wasn't an indy band you were listening to? Called...lametheater or something?

[The Wizard of Oz]

Prog: boring and unimaginative?!!!!
The contrasts in prog are very trite. Most prog is also too disjointed and lacks a strong recurring theme to hold any interest the music. Sure it's hard to play, but why would anyone want to?

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

DT are unimaginative, uncreative and unexciting. There music is some of the boringest ever composed.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Good one man!

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

The contrasts in prog are very trite. Most prog is also too disjointed and lacks a strong recurring theme to hold any interest the music. Sure it's hard to play, but why would anyone want to?
pfft, DT used recurring themes throughout SFAM and SDOIT.

As for being disjointed, thats what i find appealing about it.
And surely the fact that it doesn't repeat itself alot only goes to make it MORE interesting...

[plexiglass teh gay]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Good one man!
I'm tottally serious. What is music if it has no love? These is no love in DT. DT is masturbation. I'll stick with the music that brings me out and shows me love.

[evilbadger]

As for being disjointed, thats what i find appealing about it.
And surely the fact that it doesn't repeat itself alot only goes to make it MORE interesting...



I totally agree, I get tired of linear stuff, i mean

Intro
Verse
chorus
verse2
chorus
chorus

Gets a little tiring.

[evilbadger]

I'm tottally serious. What is music if it has no love? These is no love in DT. DT is masturbation. I'll stick with the music that brings me out and shows me love.


How about 'Take away my pain' or even 'change of seasons'? A lot of love and emotion put into those.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

I'm tottally serious. What is music if it has no love? These is no love in DT. DT is masturbation. I'll stick with the music that brings me out and shows me love.
Lots of people have said this to me...
There is so much emotion and feeling in alot of dream theater's music, just because it is complex doesn't mean that their is no emotion in it.

If you dont believe me, try 'Take away my pain' 'The silent man' 'Hollow years' 'dont look past me' 'honor thy father' and definately 'space dye vest'

Just to mention a few, i could go on for ages.

[The Wizard of Oz]

Those songs reek of fake emotion.

The most beautiful moment in my life was having the fortune of hearing a 'mentally handicapped' teenager singing Moving Pictures No. 1 Hit "What about me?" after being made fun of by a bunch of girls. He had no techinqual rythms. He had no 3 minute guitar solos. He didn't even have the right tune. But what he did have was genuine emotion, and that's something Dream Theater will never have.

[The Wizard of Oz]

No comeback, eh?

[eug008]

Fake emotion..... bull what DT songs you even heard?

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Those songs reek of fake emotion.

The most beautiful moment in my life was having the fortune of hearing a 'mentally handicapped' teenager singing Moving Pictures No. 1 Hit "What about me?" after being made fun of by a bunch of girls. He had no techinqual rythms. He had no 3 minute guitar solos. He didn't even have the right tune. But what he did have was genuine emotion, and that's something Dream Theater will never have.
Indeed 'take away my pain' about the death of JP's father is entirely fake:rolleyes:

I mean, why cant you accept that meaningfull emotive music doesn't have to be simple?? Why cant the two elements of emotion and virtuoso musicianship co-exist?

If i was going to write a song in tribute to someone i would personally want to put alot of work into it and make it really special as a real tribute

[The Wizard of Oz]

Indeed 'take away my pain' about the death of JP's father is entirely fake:rolleyes:

I mean, why cant you accept that meaningfull emotive music doesn't have to be simple?? Why cant the two elements of emotion and virtuoso musicianship co-exist?

If i was going to write a song in tribute to someone i would personally want to put alot of work into it and make it really special as a real tribute
Overcomposing is the death of emotion.

[evilbadger]

So emotion isn't complicated?

[The Wizard of Oz]

It is so complicated that it cannot be converted into audio form unless it is served while it is fresh in your heart.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Overcomposing is the death of emotion.
Have you even listened to the songs i mentioned? 'Take away my pain' 'the silent man' 'hollow years' are actually quite simple.

Not that i'm saying i agree with your point that overcomposing is the death of emotion, i'm just saying that DT dont always "overcompose" and when they supposedly do, i really dont think that it kills the emotion.

[evilbadger]

It is so complicated that it cannot be converted into audio form unless it is served while it is fresh in your heart.

And you know for a fact that the death of JP's dad isn't 'fresh' in his heart when he plays?

[The Wizard of Oz]

Well guys I see it's no use arguing with you. Besides, I'm a better musician and further into the scene than you will ever be.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

It is so complicated that it cannot be converted into audio form unless it is served while it is fresh in your heart.
I think really emotional experiences stay with you if not forever then at least a long time so therefore there is no real reason why you cant take your time composing a piece conveying them.

[Liberi Fatali]

I'm tottally serious. What is music if it has no love? These is no love in DT. DT is masturbation. I'll stick with the music that brings me out and shows me love.
Although I disagree with the wording, I pretty much agree with the logic. Beauty is very important to me in music. There may be beauty and emotion in some DT songs, but for the most part it is covered under a large layer of technical feats. I do not dislike their music because it is complicated, but rather because the complexity and technical-ability overpowers the emotion and the beauty.

I don't ardently dislike DT, and some of their songs are very appealing to me. But for the most part, I only listen to them in small portions.

[evilbadger]

Well guys I see it's no use arguing with you. Besides, I'm a better musician and further into the scene than you will ever be.


Thankyou for your spiteful and unrelated comments. I will store them in a jar and write a poem about it later.

[eug008]

Well guys I see it's no use arguing with you. Besides, I'm a better musician and further into the scene than you will ever be.

Finnaly the fool is gone

[The Wizard of Oz]

Why not write it now, while the emotion of this sworded conversation still pierces your heart?

[The Wizard of Oz]

Finnaly the fool is gone
Fool? The irony burns.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Well guys I see it's no use arguing with you. Besides, I'm a better musician and further into the scene than you will ever be.
A. How the hell do you know your're better than me?
B. What the hell is 'the scene'?
C. You know we bring up good points otherwise you wouldn't of bought up that petty and unrelated point about you being "Better than me"
D. Why is it "no use arguing with us"? because you cant change our minds? is that what you hoped to achieve?
Penispusher

[evilbadger]

Why not write it now, while the emotion of this sworded conversation still pierces your heart?

Nah, i'm not that good at poety to be honest. I'll let you field that one :thumb:

[The Wizard of Oz]

A. How the hell do you know your're better than me?
Law of averages says I most likely right. Espcially since the majority of this board consists of loser musicians playing in garages, and I am a very active musician who has/is played/playing with big name musicians infront of over 5 million people already this year alone.

Feel free to correct me on this one.

B. What the hell is 'the scene'?
Popular music scene.

C. You know we bring up good points otherwise you wouldn't of bought up that petty and unrelated point about you being "Better than me"
Your heads too far up your arse to talk logic.

[evilbadger]

Law of averages says I most likely right. Espcially since the majority of this board consists of loser musicians playing in garages, and I am a very active musician who has/is played/playing with big name musicians infront of over 5 million people already this year alone.


Do you feel like a big man, lying to people over the internet?

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Law of averages says I most likely right. Espcially since the majority of this board consists of loser musicians playing in garages, and I am a very active musician who has/is played/playing with big name musicians infront of over 5 million people already this year alone.

Feel free to correct me on this one.


Popular music scene.


Your heads too far up your arse to talk logic.
My heads too far up my own arse?? Coming from the one that bought up a completely moot point about his own musicianship when were talking about the muscianship of a band.

Yes, and you probably do know more about the POPULAR music scene, but incase you havn't noticed...we are discussing prog and dream theater...who coincidently aren't that popular.

[eug008]

What music do you play Wizard Of Oz

[The Wizard of Oz]

Do you feel like a big man, lying to people over the internet?
It's not lies, quite a few respected posters have seen my gigs live or atleast screencaps.

[evilbadger]

It's not lies, quite a few respected posters have seen my gigs live or atleast screencaps.

Fair enough, its just that when people make claims such as that (especially over the internet), They really should put forward some sort of evidence.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

respected posters
:lol::lol:

[Liberi Fatali]

who has/is played/playing with big name musicians infront of over 5 million people already this year alone.
And he actually has. He played in a concert dedicated to/supporting the Beaconsfield mine collapse in Tasmania. Aired around Australia on national TV in the primetime morning slot.

dream theater...who coincidently aren't that popular. Who decides what is and what isn't popular?

Is something popular because people say it is popular?

Or is something popular because it is popular, and people just confirm this?

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

And he actually has. He played in a concert dedicated to/supporting the Beaconsfield mine collapse in Tasmania. Aired around Australia on national TV in the primetime morning slot.

Who decides what is and what isn't popular?

Is something popular because people say it is popular?

Or is something popular because it is popular, and people just confirm this?

I'm just going on how many people like them/have heard of them
Which going on what i've heard around my town, isn't that many.

I'm talking popular in a conventional sense...not as like a genre

[Liberi Fatali]

I'm talking popular in a conventional sense...not as like a genre As am I.

I'm just going on how many people like them/have heard of them
Which going on what i've heard around my town, isn't that many.
Ah, so for a band to be popular you proclaim that a certain number of listens or likes must be reached. However enjoyment of a band and having heard of a band are not the same. Obviously, having heard of a band does not denote that the listener will have liked them. So please, is the popularity of a band determined by their likes, or by their listens? Or perhaps popularity is determined by a ratio of likes over listens, is this the truth? Yet I cannot forsee this as the true determining factor, as that would make my music the most popular on earth with a 1:1 ratio.

[Chu]

Those songs reek of fake emotion.

The most beautiful moment in my life was having the fortune of hearing a 'mentally handicapped' teenager singing Moving Pictures No. 1 Hit "What about me?" after being made fun of by a bunch of girls. He had no techinqual rythms. He had no 3 minute guitar solos. He didn't even have the right tune. But what he did have was genuine emotion, and that's something Dream Theater will never have.
You know.. Different forms of emotional expressions.

Just cause you don't think so, doesn't mean it isn't there.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

As am I.

Ah, so for a band to be popular you proclaim that a certain number of listens or likes must be reached. However enjoyment of a band and having heard of a band are not the same. Obviously, having heard of a band does not denote that the listener will have liked them. So please, is the popularity of a band determined by their likes, or by their listens? Or perhaps popularity is determined by a ratio of likes over listens, is this the truth? Yet I cannot forsee this as the true determining factor, as that would make my music the most popular on earth with a 1:1 ratio.
Good point, but we're kinda getting sidetracked by defining popularity when the original arguement was 'can emotion and complexity co-exist in music?'

[evilbadger]

Good point, but we're kinda getting sidetracked by defining popularity when the original arguement was 'can emotion and complexity co-exist in music?'

Emotion sometimes needs a bit of complexity in order to convey it correcty. Such as anger or frustration.

Like in the DT song 'Panic attack'.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Emotion sometimes needs a bit of complexity in order to convey it correcty. Such as anger or frustration.

Like in the DT song 'Panic attack'.
You're right.

I'm sure that emotion and complexity can co-exist.
The music of panic attack conveys the emotions presented in that song really well

[Liberi Fatali]

Emotion sometimes needs a bit of complexity in order to convey it correcty. Such as anger or frustration. For the most part I find frustration and anger unattractive in music though. If I want to zone out and not focus on the music, then I'm not opposed to angry or frustrated music. But generally, I cannot see how ugliness and anger could attract somebody.

You're right.

I'm sure that emotion and complexity can co-exist.
The music of panic attack conveys the emotions presented in that song really well I have no doubt that it can. I do doubt that Dream Theater do it adequately, with the exception of a few songs.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

ehh....rip-off or not...DT > TOOL
/end argument :smoke:



I wholeheartedly disagree. I like DT, though. Lots of good stuff from them. Can't say I really liked Octavarium too much, though.

[eug008]

Most tracks on that CD were quite good

[plexiglass teh gay]

Dude, that CD sucked.

[nowitzki]

Well guys I see it's no use arguing with you. Besides, I'm a better musician and further into the scene than you will ever be.
Even if that is true, there are plenty of musicians far more successful and well respected than you who are big Dream Theater fans. And how does that make you're opinion any more valuable?

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Most tracks on that CD were quite good

The only track I could stand was the title track and even some of that I thought was poor.

[The Cowardly Lion]

Even if that is true, there are plenty of musicians far more successful and well respected than you who are big Dream Theater fans. And how does that make you're opinion any more valuable?
Yeah, but most muso's and listeners agree with me.

[Happy]

Wow I missed a lot.

[Atica]

Most tracks on that CD were quite good
I agree with you, but that CD is not as good as IW and ToT.

[Happy]

It's better than ToT.
ToT is full of wank and is basically heavy songs, minus Vacant of course. Octavarium has many different styles on it and each song sounds different to the last which is one of the reasons why I love it.

[Atica]

It do has different styles on it, but I like more ToT than Octavarium. I agree that Octavarium is a great song, it is much better than A Change of Seasons.

[Happy]

I'd take ACOS over Octavarium.

Octavarium's intro is far too long.

[Atica]

Yeah, it is too long I preffer ACOS's intro, but the rest of the song is better than ACOS.

[pep]

I actually like the long intro, but i cant compare it to ACOS, cause i never got into it.

[Lionheart1827]

ACOS defines progressive metal better than any song I've ever heard recorded. The only one that comes close is Metropolis Part 1.

It's definately one of DT's best songs, and I'd take it over Octavarium, even though Oct is very good.

[Lord Abortion]

I really like Octavarium, it took a good while for me to get into, but it's great.

Dream Theater's emotion is entirely, for me, based around the massive amounts of emotion in James' singing, that's a huge reason why I love the band so much and James is only behind Bruce Dickinson as my favourite vocalist of all time.
Take away my pain speaks for itself.

[ghettoeddo]

Dude, that CD sucked.
you. please get out. im saying it nicely.

first off, if i recall correctly, it's against the rules of this forum to go into a band thread to say they blow monkeys. especially without backing up your argument. so far, all you have said was dream theater sucks and that octavarium sucked.people in the past few pages have at least SUPPORTED their positions w/ intelligent discourse.

For the most part I find frustration and anger unattractive in music though. If I want to zone out and not focus on the music, then I'm not opposed to angry or frustrated music. But generally, I cannot see how ugliness and anger could attract somebody.
but because you personally cannot see how ugliness and anger are attractive...that clouds your own "objectivity" so to speak. in the same way that i can't understand why people would listen to death metal/black metal w/ lyrics abot sodomizing dead babies or corpses...it's still quite obvious taht the genres have their avid followers and supporters for a reason.

someone also said over-composing is the death of emotion. i must wholeheartedly disagree with such a blanket statement.
there seems to be a general consensus that emotion = simplicity while complexity = overly technical wanking.
dream theater has this mindset of working a song until tehy feel it is done. they don't feel limited to a certain song structure or song length. they write and write and write as people bring in new ideas until they feel it is done. now that's a pretty unique approach if i've ever seen one.
i don't doubt that the little boy performing a song for some benefit foundation (i can't quite remember) was emotional; im sure it was. heck, a simple pop song can bring tears to my eyes. high school musical did.

but for some people, dream theater is emotional. i, for one, am one of them. the spirit carries on moves me like no other. i can't even listen to blind faith all the way without completely losing my focus on what i'm doing and becoming totally absorbed with the song.

and as for the whole shredding deal...i think it can express, better than other techniques, just this...chaotic emotional feeling inside.

haha wish i was eloquent :lol:

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

It's better than ToT.
ToT is full of wank and is basically heavy songs, minus Vacant of course. Octavarium has many different styles on it and each song sounds different to the last which is one of the reasons why I love it.

The jam-fest is partly what ruined Sacrificed Sons. There was no kinds of wankage neccesary for that song at all. The verses and chorus melodies are probably some of the most beautiful music DT has ever written and then they just start jamming as a breakdown. All the emotion is taken right out of it. It's bad decisions like that that make me not be as big of a fan of DT as I could be. There's songs earlier in the album that are clearly a songwriting-first mentality, but Sacrificed Sons makes me question what they really want to accomplish in their songs. Not to mention the lyrics sound like they were written by a five year old.

[ghettoeddo]

sacrificed sons was written by james labrie haha.
you can think of the heavy breakdown section (i quite like it...esp. the pinch harmonic part :]) as like...the feelings of rage felt when it happened?

haha just trying to justify it somehow :]

[Lord Abortion]

The lyrics are about 9/11...I can't see what problem you have with them.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Walls are closing
Anxiously
Channel surfing
Frantically

Burning City
Smoke and fire
Planes we're certain
Faith inspired

No clues
A complete surprise
Who'll be
Coming home tonight

Heads all turning
Towards the sky
Towers crumble
Heroes die

Who would wish this on our people
And proclaim that His will be done
Scriptures they heed have misled them
All praise their Sacrificed Sons
All praise their Sacrificed Sons

Teach them
What to think and feel
Your ways
So enlightening

Words they preach
I can't relate
If God's true Love
Are acts of Hate

Who would wish this on our people
And proclaim that His will be done
Scriptures they heed have misled them
All praise their Sacrificed Sons
All praise their Sacrificed Sons

God on High
Our mistakes
Will mankind be extinct?
There's no time, time to waste
Who serves the truth
For Heavens' sake

Those are vomit-worthy. There's nothing wrong with simplistic lyrics, but when they are like that, it just makes me cringe.

[Lord Abortion]

Those are vomit-worthy. There's nothing wrong with simplistic lyrics, but when they are like that, it just makes me cringe.
I'm still confused at what your problem is with it!

[Element of LED 435]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hXEiNJN2Ws4&search=dream%20theater

LMFAO!!!

[red barchetta]

how are those lyrics 'vomit-worthy' :confused:

[Element of LED 435]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=evTTHS9hwvU&search=john%20petrucci

heres number two

funniest thing is the WORLD

feel bad they make fun of petrucci tho

[Lord Abortion]

Well, not really...they just say how awsomely good he is.

[ghettoeddo]

yea #2 was the best :]

[Atica]

Those Petrucci's videos are funny, I don't know if someone already saw this one.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hywld4xFHiM&mode=suggested_all&search=john%20petrucci

[ghettoeddo]

yea theres' 3 of em now :]
i think it's a combination of making fun of him and praising him

[eug008]

I agree with you, but that CD is not as good as IW and ToT.

Agreed except it was a bit better than ToT

[Liberi Fatali]

but because you personally cannot see how ugliness and anger are attractive...that clouds your own "objectivity" so to speak. in the same way that i can't understand why people would listen to death metal/black metal w/ lyrics abot sodomizing dead babies or corpses...it's still quite obvious taht the genres have their avid followers and supporters for a reason. I never proclaimed that my opinion is a universal truth. Although I do not consider myself as an expert when it comes to analyzing music, I am well aware of its subjectivity.

Now please understand that to me, beauty and beautiful emotion is very important in music. When used in contrast with beauty, ugliness and anger can make the music infinitely more enjoyable to my own subjective concious mind. At times I can stomach completely anger-ridden music, but this is only during times where I zone out, and do not pay full attention to the music.

Would I profess that my opinion comes closer to truthful analysation than other subjective opinions? Well yes, as I believe I can see that music is entirely subjective whereas many can't. I am aware of my own ignorance, whereas many aren't.


someone also said over-composing is the death of emotion. i must wholeheartedly disagree with such a blanket statement.
there seems to be a general consensus that emotion = simplicity while complexity = overly technical wanking. Ah, no no. I think you misread this statement made by another. When one says 'over-composing is the death of emotion', it does not necessitate that emotion = simplicity, complexity = lack of emotion. In music to date, we have seen a greater amount of songs using simplicity to portray emotion, rather than complex songs. This does not mean simple = more emotionally powerful. It means that we haven't yet reached our potential in terms of emotion in complex patterns.

Now in the case of Dream Theater, the term over-composing and and the term complex could both be applied, at least in my subjective opinion. It is not because they are technically complex that I feel they lack emotion, it is because for the most part they appear to focus more on the technical aspect of the song, rather than the emotion. At times, the emotion becomes blanketed under a pointless layer of unneeded complexity. You could point out some songs where powerful emotion is achieved by them, but ultimately their emotion often plays second-fiddle to unneeded complexity in my mind.

And for that, I shall never become a dedicated fan of their music to date.

[Shattered_Future]

yea theres' 3 of em now :]
i think it's a combination of making fun of him and praising him

I love the third one...

"I usually practiced about...63 hours a day or so. I managed to warp back in time by playing 400 notes a second so I could get all my practicing in. I live on a diet of greens and small mammals." :lol:

[eug008]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hXEiNJN2Ws4&search=dream%20theater

LMFAO!!!

Haha 2nd one was the best tho

"You can start at about 10, but you probably couldnt do anymore. you'd just stop, put your guitar in your bag and quit"

:lol:

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I'm still confused at what your problem is with it!

They're so rediculously cheesy. They look like they were written by an 2nd grader. It's like a sorry excuse for something poetic.

[eug008]

I thought Sacrificed Sons was a great song

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

okay

I think it has its pro's and cons

[eug008]

I agree, I didn't particularly like the lyrics but the songwriting (instruments) were damn good

[temporary]

They're so rediculously cheesy. They look like they were written by an 2nd grader. It's like a sorry excuse for something poetic.

Do sorta agree with you on that one. I love James' melodies in that one, though. Still not one of my favorite songs on Octavarium, but it was cool live.

[eug008]

Can't wait to see it live on the new DVD

[ghettoeddo]

I never proclaimed that my opinion is a universal truth. Although I do not consider myself as an expert when it comes to analyzing music, I am well aware of its subjectivity.

Now please understand that to me, beauty and beautiful emotion is very important in music. When used in contrast with beauty, ugliness and anger can make the music infinitely more enjoyable to my own subjective concious mind. At times I can stomach completely anger-ridden music, but this is only during times where I zone out, and do not pay full attention to the music.

Would I profess that my opinion comes closer to truthful analysation than other subjective opinions? Well yes, as I believe I can see that music is entirely subjective whereas many can't. I am aware of my own ignorance, whereas many aren't.
fair enough fair enough...i too realize that music is subjective and there is almost no universal truth/objective truth out there. dream theater happens to be my favorite band at the moment, so i'm obviously gonna support and defend them to the best of my ability, which is...pretty small im sure.

Ah, no no. I think you misread this statement made by another. When one says 'over-composing is the death of emotion', it does not necessitate that emotion = simplicity, complexity = lack of emotion. In music to date, we have seen a greater amount of songs using simplicity to portray emotion, rather than complex songs. This does not mean simple = more emotionally powerful. It means that we haven't yet reached our potential in terms of emotion in complex patterns.

Now in the case of Dream Theater, the term over-composing and and the term complex could both be applied, at least in my subjective opinion. It is not because they are technically complex that I feel they lack emotion, it is because for the most part they appear to focus more on the technical aspect of the song, rather than the emotion. At times, the emotion becomes blanketed under a pointless layer of unneeded complexity. You could point out some songs where powerful emotion is achieved by them, but ultimately their emotion often plays second-fiddle to unneeded complexity in my mind.

And for that, I shall never become a dedicated fan of their music to date.
if that's what you think, then more power to you :smash: i personally think almost every song has its thought-out emotional aspect of it too. even pure wankage songs like this dying soul...there are some bearable parts.

i too hate just shred shred shred 17/16 19/16 keyboard solo seemingly without any point. maybe not to the extent of many people, because i obviously enjoy DT lots...but i can always find something expressive in their long instrumental breakdowns. all in all, i guess it just comes down to this...i can appreciate their unneeded complexity to a point where it's needed for me and me only.

[eug008]

Some of the tracks from Derek Sherinians new CD are posted on his website

http://www.dereksherinian.com/home.html

Quite cool stuff actually

[Happy]

They're so rediculously cheesy. They look like they were written by an 2nd grader. It's like a sorry excuse for something poetic.
They're not that bad.

Plus they're by LaBrie, he doesn't really write much in DT and basically he's required to write at least 1 song for each album.

[temporary]

Some of the tracks from Derek Sherinians new CD are posted on his website

http://www.dereksherinian.com/home.html

Quite cool stuff actually

Yeah, he's got quite the guest list.

[Element of LED 435]

They're not that bad.

Plus they're by LaBrie, he doesn't really write much in DT and basically he's required to write at least 1 song for each album.
like wut are some songs written by him?

[Happy]

He only writes lyrics.

Wait For Sleep
Anna Lee
One Last Time (I think)
Vacant
Sacrificed Sons
Medicate in Octavarium.

[ghettoeddo]

yea one last time is written by him. im pretty sure.... :\

his lyrics aren't always ace, but that's ok :]
he's really a much better vocalist than many people give him credit for. people confuse their dislike with his lack of talent/skill whatever a vocalist needs.

[Happy]

His vocal melody in One Last Time's chorus is creamworthy.

[ghettoeddo]

yea. i love the ending of it...it's so triumphant.
does the piano outro to that song remind anyone of harry potter? haha

NP: solitary shell

[Happy]

Not really but that little bit they reused in Octavarium gets me everytime.
I'm like "wtf where have I heard that before?" every single time.

[Element of LED 435]

lol same here cept i finally figured it out

[Lord Abortion]

He only writes lyrics.

Wait For Sleep
Anna Lee
One Last Time (I think)
Vacant
Sacrificed Sons
Medicate in Octavarium.
That's some of the band's best songs right there...Anna Lee especially.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

They're not that bad.

Plus they're by LaBrie, he doesn't really write much in DT and basically he's required to write at least 1 song for each album.

They're pretty bad.

[bwnstl]

He only writes lyrics.

Wait For Sleep
Anna Lee
One Last Time (I think)
Vacant
Sacrificed Sons
Medicate in Octavarium.


Don't forget Disappear, one of the best songs off of the last three albums.

[temporary]

Don't forget Disappear, one of the best songs off of the last three albums.

True, and he co-wrote Caught in a Web with JP.

[eug008]

Not really but that little bit they reused in Octavarium gets me everytime.
I'm like "wtf where have I heard that before?" every single time.

What parts of the song is that?

[ghettoeddo]

yea im wondering that too.

i've almost got the whole of octavarium memorized and down...minus that stupid shredding part which really doens't need to be there. but that's ok :]

NP: the spirit carries on as i am brought to tears by it...

[eug008]

You mean at 16.47

Jeeze that would take ages

[ghettoeddo]

memorizing it?

it's actually a prety easy song to play. there are times when he just plays the same power chord in diff. patterns over and over again. i've got apretty good finger-memory so it helps too w/ solos

[eug008]

Yeh memorizing it, how long it take ya?

[ghettoeddo]

a week or so.
like i said, it's pretty easy.

and it helps to play along w/ the song...speeds the memory process up.
im trying to memorize losing time/grand finale now...then ill have 4 part of 6DOIT udner my belt :]

[eug008]

Whoa my memory is so ****, it'd probably take me a month to memerize Octavarium

[Chu]

Nah, after a while, the more you memorize, the easier it is to memorize other music...

[ghettoeddo]

word word.
been memorzing classical pieces since 4
>< looks like it was good for SOMETHING.

[ever eeking always rupert]

Is James Labrie German or of German heritage?

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Is James Labrie German or of German heritage?
Nah he's canadian.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

yea. i love the ending of it...it's so triumphant.
does the piano outro to that song remind anyone of harry potter? haha

NP: solitary shell
hmmm not really, but does that random keyboard fill/break thing in the middle of 'Under a glass moon' remind anyone of final fantasy?

[Riva]

It reminds me of a Nintendo game actually, but I can't place it.

[Happy]

It does remind me a lot of FF actually.

[Firecracker]

Octavarium copies teddy bear's picnic.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

I really love the use of enjambment in part III of octavarium, it makes it sound so much more interesting and makes the references to other bands and stuff harder to spot. Its a really nice change of lyrical structure.

[Happy]

Octavarium copies teddy bear's picnic.
Isn't there Jingle Bells in Sacrificed Sons too?

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Octavarium copies teddy bear's picnic.
:lol: Elaborate....


Hey btw:wave:

P.S has anyone heard 'necronomicon prologue' or 'necronomicon epilogue' by JP? They're short tracks he recorded for a japanese pinball video game called Digital Pinball: Necrinomicon

[Element of LED 435]

i think the section from space dye vest in the mirror goes perfectly- its something good since they dont play space dye vest live you can still hear those glorious 5 seconds

[Moses]

Jordan was recognized by his 2nd grade teacher as an exceptional piano player, and was immediately given professional tuition to enhance his prodigious talents. By the age of nine he entered the prestigious Juilliard School of Music for classical piano training, but by his late teens he had grown increasingly interested in synthesizers and progressive rock music. Against the advice and wishes of his parents and tutors, he decided to turn away from classical piano and try his hand as a solo prog rock keyboardist.
Okay I already knew he went to Juiliar but I didn't know he stopped classical in his late teens. What the hell? He could have been way more mindblowing that he is now. Oh well, the influence he had on Dream Theater is good enough.

And by the way, his hand position is the worst I've ever seen. I can't believe they let him get away with that at Juilliard. Surprised his hands don't fall off.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Nah he's canadian.

That's not an ethnicity.

I think he might be of Italian heritage.

[Happy]

:lol: Elaborate....


Hey btw:wave:

P.S has anyone heard 'necronomicon prologue' or 'necronomicon epilogue' by JP? They're short tracks he recorded for a japanese pinball video game called Digital Pinball: Necrinomicon
I've never heard the Necronomicon tracks but I seen a guy play one of them. Absolutely amazing.

James is more likely French with a name LaBrie.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

It does remind me a lot of FF actually.

The whole of the Overture on 6DOIT reminds me of FF.

Is the Pink Floyd cover CD officialy released now btw? Even my record shop were asking when it's due, and they make sure they get every bit of DT related material in

[Happy]

I think you can order it off YTSE.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

The whole of the Overture on 6DOIT reminds me of FF.

Is the Pink Floyd cover CD officialy released now btw? Even my record shop were asking when it's due, and they make sure they get every bit of DT related material in
Yeah, its definately out now, but only on ytsejamrecords

Woah? your record shop stocks all DT related stuff? lucky.
If i wanna get anything even remotely obscure because none of the record shops near me stock anything like that. I found the jelly jam and elements of persuasion once but they were hideously overpriced

[Happy]

They sell DT cds in the Virgin near me but they're way overpriced, like £20.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

I've never heard the Necronomicon tracks but I seen a guy play one of them. Absolutely amazing.

James is more likely French with a name LaBrie.
Woah. must of been pretty **** hot to play those!

I just found myself a country cover of 'through her eyes':lol:

[Happy]

That has got to be the most worst cover ever yes?

[Element of LED 435]

yes.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

That has got to be the most worst cover ever yes?
Erm...lets just say...its interesting.

you can get it from www.dtfaq.com
Awesome site if you havn't been there before.

P.S Most worst?

[chorbalan]

Erm...lets just say...its interesting.

you can get it from www.dtfaq.com
Awesome site if you havn't been there before.

P.S Most worst?

Worstest

And yes it is really bad.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Worstest

And yes it is really bad.
I know, its pretty dire. Funny though.


I think the swing covers are better.

[Lord Abortion]

James is French Canadadadadaaian.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yeah, its definately out now, but only on ytsejamrecords

Woah? your record shop stocks all DT related stuff? lucky.
If i wanna get anything even remotely obscure because none of the record shops near me stock anything like that. I found the jelly jam and elements of persuasion once but they were hideously overpriced

I've got the Mike Portnoy Magna Carta sessions from there, and tried to get the 2 LTE albums, but they went before I could get them sadly.

But yeah, they've had in at some point all DT albums, Petrucci/Rudess ones, all OSI albums, 2 of the 3 DT DVDs, and im pretty sure they had Element Of Persuasion.

Helps when the owner is a big prog fan, and DT nut. Just finds it hard to re-stock

[Happy]

Sounds like an awesome store, wish there was something like that here.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

I've got the Mike Portnoy Magna Carta sessions from there, and tried to get the 2 LTE albums, but they went before I could get them sadly.

But yeah, they've had in at some point all DT albums, Petrucci/Rudess ones, all OSI albums, 2 of the 3 DT DVDs, and im pretty sure they had Element Of Persuasion.

Helps when the owner is a big prog fan, and DT nut. Just finds it hard to re-stock
I just got the first O.S.I cus my friend managed to buy it off ebay, but they dont sell it in shops in worthing. Cant wait to get the second as well, i've heard 'our town' and thats great. Very different actually...use of a banjo is interesting.

[Liquid Fantasy]

I just bought Metropolis PT II: Scenes from a memory i had heard the songs before just not in order and when i heard the whole thing i was blown away.
Dream Theater was my favorite band already but hearing this just made me go nuts! Greatest disc ever!

Um thats it thx.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

I just bought Metropolis PT II: Scenes from a memory i had heard the songs before just not in order and when i heard the whole thing i was blown away.
Dream Theater was my favorite band already but hearing this just made me go nuts! Greatest disc ever!

Um thats it thx.
Definately man, when you hear the whole thing all the way through, it really puts the whole thing into context and you realise how much of a masterpiece the whole thing is

[eug008]

Isn't there Jingle Bells in Sacrificed Sons too?

Pretty sure it's in Octavarium

[eug008]

Erm...lets just say...its interesting.

you can get it from www.dtfaq.com
Awesome site if you havn't been there before.

P.S Most worst?

Where about on the site? I can't find it

[ghettoeddo]

jingle bells is on 8vm for a bit. well...a twisted version of it. but it's recognizable.

right before the acoustic guitar bit in the middle instrumental. and after guitar/keyboard shredding bit.

see i've got this song all figured out :]

[Inkstar]

Wow that's true ghetto. Just gave it a close listen.

NP - Never Enough

[Happy]

Where about on the site? I can't find it
http://www.dtfaq.com/question/1079
:)

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

jingle bells is on 8vm for a bit. well...a twisted version of it. but it's recognizable.

right before the acoustic guitar bit in the middle instrumental. and after guitar/keyboard shredding bit.

see i've got this song all figured out :]
oh yeah!! you're right, i just listened to it.
Wow...i thought you were joking.

[Happy]

There's a bit of Bohemian Rhapsody in there at the start with the piano bit.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Does anyone know the concept behind octavarium?
Like how they had done eight studio albums and five live ones, so MP thought it was similar to the eight white notes and black notes of an octave on a keyboard. And that each song on the album went was written in ascending keys so the album was like an octave eg. track 1 = a track 2 =b etc until with octavarium it comes 'full circle' eventually ending on the same note that the root of all evil started on.

I think this is really clever.

[eug008]

http://www.dtfaq.com/question/1079
:)

What the...

[Happy]

What?
Is that disgust at the song I hope?

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

I got banned from the DT forums:(
For posting this and claiming it was their greatest hits album:lol:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v468/inassociationwithdeanlearner/?action=view&current=Newalbumcover.jpg

[Happy]

:lol:
Haha that's a slightly Nazi banning.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Yeah, they are pretty strict over there i think.

[Firecracker]

Haha, well done, I joined the MP forum, because I was bored waiting for my bus to come at the end of school after an exam.
Funny place.

[eug008]

What?
Is that disgust at the song I hope?

Yes it is, for some reason it won't let me post on the Dream Theater fourms

[Happy]

I don't really like band themed sites.
I'd run out of things to say.

[Firecracker]

I get like that in band particular threads, except maybe this one.

[jpshortstuff]

yeah, im a member of the DT forums but i dont really post. there isnt that much to talk about, unless you you enjoy endless "Best/Worst Album/Song" threads.

[Firecracker]

You have to really. Sometimes.
Go on and on about stuff beforementioned.

[Happy]

I doubt nothing's as bad as the Metallica forums though.

[jpshortstuff]

I doubt nothing's as bad as the Metallica forums though.
im guessing you couldn't wave your arms for fear of hitting a fanboy. not that hitting a Metallica fanboy is something you avoid.

[Happy]

Pretty much.

Every page was filled of about 12 threads, all with the same subject just worded differently. Then I went to the General Discuccion forum and it was stuff like "jaymz is so awsum" and "what colour do you think Jaymz car is" and then I left.

[Firecracker]

I hate Metallica anyway, so I guess I would never go there and suffer so much.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

I hate Metallica anyway, so I guess I would never go there and suffer so much.
:lol: i used to really like them, but then i got superbored with them...same with alot of bands really. But i you're right about band themed forums...Mx is good because you can discuss lots of different bands, although i do tend to stick to this thread.

I never really run out of things to say about DT though, there really is alot to discuss.

[Lord Abortion]

There is indeed, as far as forums go, I'm a member of the Cannibal Corpse one, but no others.

[132WalrusesInMexico]

I got banned from the DT forums:(
For posting this and claiming it was their greatest hits album:lol:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v468/inassociationwithdeanlearner/?action=view&current=Newalbumcover.jpg
ahahahahahaha I just laughed for like 10 minutes at that.

[pep]

I got banned from the DT forums:(
For posting this and claiming it was their greatest hits album:lol:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v468/inassociationwithdeanlearner/?action=view&current=Newalbumcover.jpg


The holy crap, its huge thing is very funny:lol:

[temporary]

im guessing you couldn't wave your arms for fear of hitting a fanboy. not that hitting a Metallica fanboy is something you avoid.

I actually laughed at that. Metallica fanboys annoy to no end (although so do ones for some of my favorite bands.)

[eug008]

Pretty much.

Every page was filled of about 12 threads, all with the same subject just worded differently. Then I went to the General Discuccion forum and it was stuff like "jaymz is so awsum" and "what colour do you think Jaymz car is" and then I left.

:lol:

I post a bit on the "Deth" fourms, quite a decent fourm actually

[Lionheart1827]

Anybody hear of a band called Vanden Plas?

They have a lot of DT style elements in their music, and they are awesome, too.:thumb:

[Darkness]

I'm glad you guys changed the thread name. :lol:

[pye phyo ko]

dudes!!dream theatre is ****ing dick head!!! they are all talented individually. for me, octarvarium album will never be boring to listen. i think the keyboard guys is also very talented. his sampling are ****ing cool!!!he can even be a very outstanding dj.

[Happy]

Yup.

I like the old title back.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Yup.

I like the old title back.
Yeah, same here.
Mxtropolis was so much cooler.

[Element of LED 435]

Yeah, same here.
Mxtropolis was so much cooler.
i agree, it was very creative

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

i agree, it was very creative
Much like the music of the legends in discussion.
Hence why its a better name.

[pep]

So why was the old title changed?

[bwnstl]

dudes!!dream theatre is ****ing dick head!!! they are all talented individually. for me, octarvarium album will never be boring to listen. i think the keyboard guys is also very talented. his sampling are ****ing cool!!!he can even be a very outstanding dj.

What the hell did you just say? I hope English is like your fourth language.

[eug008]

Yup.

I like the old title back.

Me too, the old title was cool

[nowitzki]

Hmm.. its simple, yet effective. Who's idea was it to change it?

[NymphetamineX]

Alright, for anyone just getting into Dream Theater, what would be the one album to go check out and get aquainted with the band with? I've mostly heard the album Octavarium talked about by my friends, but I just wanna know before I buy anything.

[heavy metal kid]

Alright, for anyone just getting into Dream Theater, what would be the one album to go check out and get aquainted with the band with? I've mostly heard the album Octavarium talked about by my friends, but I just wanna know before I buy anything.

For the classic Dream Theater: Images and Words
For the Best Dream Theater: Metropolis pt II: Scenes from a Memory
For the Heavy Dream Theater: Train of Thought

I think those three sum all the DT style.

[pye phyo ko]

nymph! i highly recommand buying octarvarium. it's really worth your money!!

[Shattered_Future]

Alright, for anyone just getting into Dream Theater, what would be the one album to go check out and get aquainted with the band with? I've mostly heard the album Octavarium talked about by my friends, but I just wanna know before I buy anything.

Most people tend to like Scenes From A Memory the most. I personally love Train Of Thought though...

[ghettoeddo]

nymph...buy everything. i kid you not.
each one sounds completely different from the rest. completely.

i want the old ittle back...i kept looking for MXTROPLIS for like...6 pges and i was freaking out...

[HNLzero]

Does anyone know when the anniversary DVD/CD is coming out?

[eug008]

Alright, for anyone just getting into Dream Theater, what would be the one album to go check out and get aquainted with the band with? I've mostly heard the album Octavarium talked about by my friends, but I just wanna know before I buy anything.

I'd say either

1.Images and Words
2.Scenes from a memory
3.Awake

[eug008]

Does anyone know when the anniversary DVD/CD is coming out?

August 29

[Moses]

I like having the title as just Dream Theater.

[RNR]

Yep yep. Everything else is too commercial and lacks soul.

Actually Scenes is very commercial but it's still excellent.

[ghettoeddo]

every DT album has soul :angry:
/fanboyism

no but you can find soul in any piece of music i believe.

[Happy]

Maybe I could see where you're coming from for ToT but the rest really do have soul.

[ghettoeddo]

in the name of god? oh wow. vacant for sure. soulsoulsoul.
i was listening to disappear in the car today after my internship...and it bruoght me to tears adn i couldn't see where i was driving and i uh...
hit the median :\

:upset:

[Happy]

:lol:

Maybe you should stop playing sad DT songs whilst you drive.
Well, I see what you mean and I guess you're right. Vacant and In The Name of God definitely do have soul.

[ghettoeddo]

i still need to pick up the LSFNY CD set.

i cant stop it. it's like a drug...i just love that feeling of just driving along w/ beautiful melodies resonating from my car. egad.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

in the name of god? oh wow. vacant for sure. soulsoulsoul.
i was listening to disappear in the car today after my internship...and it bruoght me to tears adn i couldn't see where i was driving and i uh...
hit the median :\

:upset:
Dissapear is so goddamned beautiful, does anyone else reckon that it is slightly reminiscant of 'hurt' by NIN?

[Triangle]

Dissapear is so goddamned beautiful, does anyone else reckon that it is slightly reminiscant of 'hurt' by NIN?
Hmm, I never really thought about that before, but I can see where you're coming from. I guess it does.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Hmm, I never really thought about that before, but I can see where you're coming from. I guess it does.
The opening of it just seems similar, i think its something to do with the effect. and then torwards the middle when the clean kind of acousticy sound comes in...its also quite like the chorus of hurt.
The similarity is less so on the Budokan dvd though, as petrucci plays the opening as opposed to rudess which doesn't really sound as good.

[Happy]

Hmm, I never really thought about that before, but I can see where you're coming from. I guess it does.
Yeah, same here.

I think it's more sad (sadder?) than hurt though.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Yeah, same here.

I think it's more sad (sadder?) than hurt though.
Sadder was right.

Yeah i think you're right about that, the vocal melodies in it are just brilliant e.g the line 'so i'm moving on.....'

Although i dont think its really fair to compare reznor and labrie :lol:

[Mr_Bounce]

Disappear is just amazing.. the first 4 minutes are almost 'dull', but when you get the climax you realise how important that progressive build up was... The absolute peak at 4:52 is like.. an orgasm? :D
Nah, but seriously though, the first time I heard this song I thought 'wow', that was beautiful.

[inassociationwithdeanlearner]

Disappear is just amazing.. the first 4 minutes are almost 'dull', but when you get the climax you realise how important that progressive build up was... The absolute peak at 4:52 is like.. an orgasm? :D
Nah, but seriously though, the first time I heard this song I thought 'wow', that was beautiful.
Yeah, i reckon that the first disk of SDOIT gets kind of overlooked too often.
I know i often tend to overlook it and move onto the second, but recently i've been overplaying the second so i went back to the first and it just reminded me of how goddamn amazing it is. All of the tracks on their are just completely ace , My favourite has to be blind faith.

I also like the way that the last third of 'misunderstood' sounds almost like 'under the milky way tonight' with that weird pizzicato style bit on the keyboard.

[Triangle]

Disappear is just amazing.. the first 4 minutes are almost 'dull', but when you get the climax you realise how important that progressive build up was... The absolute peak at 4:52 is like.. an orgasm? :D
Nah, but seriously though, the first time I heard this song I thought 'wow', that was beautiful.
Yeah, same here. I was completely wowed by it and listened to it about 5 more times.

Listening through headphones = :eek: /cream

[Mr_Bounce]

Through my sennheisers, it's like a wall of ambience then it explodes around your head :D