Dream Theater

[the2stranger]

LTE II is an amazing cd, the first one seems a bit too random and jammed to me.
but thean again, thwey just came together, had a jam, and LTE was the result.
I wish I could jam like that :p

[temporary]

What do you guys think of Liquid Tension Experiment ?

I've only heard Acid Rain, but I was amazed by it.

[bassmancrv]

images and words was my first DT cd, but i soon bought as many as i could get my hands on.. any one heard "hollow years" live version on the live at budokan album.. unbelievable guitar solo.. really touching, you can just feel the emotion petrucci puts in it.. its amazing, you dont find to many bands now a days that can effectivly manage to put emotion into their songs, its one thing to be able to play a song.. its another to actually be able to PLAY it... if you catch my drift

[elbassio]

I like the way the bassist out of Liquid Tension Experiment plays the Chapman stick aswell as the bass.Actually, does he even play the bass? Obviously I don't know them that well, but I think they're pretty dam' good.

[the2stranger]

I like the way the bassist out of Liquid Tension Experiment plays the Chapman stick aswell as the bass.Actually, does he even play the bass? Obviously I don't know them that well, but I think they're pretty dam' good.

the bassist for LTE is Tony Levin, and he is awesome indeed, he plays Chapman stick, but mainly Bassguitar.

but this dosn't mean John Myung of DT isn't on par with Tont.
Myung plays Chapman Stick too.

and I want to play it too, but I have been old it's difficult like hell, but I play Keyboard, so I might have an advantage

[nowitzki]

the bassist for LTE is Tony Levin, and he is awesome indeed, he plays Chapman stick, but mainly Bassguitar.

but this dosn't mean John Myung of DT isn't on par with Tont.
Myung plays Chapman Stick too.

and I want to play it too, but I have been old it's difficult like hell, but I play Keyboard, so I might have an advantage

Actually in LTE I'm pretty sure Levin plays Champan Stick nearly all the time. He is truely amazing on this instrument, for more proof check out some King Crimson, like the album Discipline.

The only time I've know Myung to play a Chapman Stick is on New Millenium, which appears to be very simple compared to some of the things Levin plays. While Myung may be just a good a bass player I reckon Levin is miles ahead with the Stick.

I may be wrong here but did Levin invent the Chapman Stick? I guess it was more likely to be someone called Chapman, but I'm sure I read he did somewhere.

[red barchetta]

i believe the chapman stick was invented by Emmet Chapman

[the2stranger]

i believe the chapman stick was invented by Emmet Chapman

yes, you are right.

the site, which I forgot:confused:
has nice clips about the stick

I really want to play it, but it's not easy methinks

[scenesfromatheater]

I think metallica should have got a chapman stick player instead of rob....that would be interesting

YAY!!!! TODAY IS AN OCTAVARIUM NUGGET!!!! 08-08-05. My brother realised not me, I am not that sad

[Happy]

I think metallica should have got a chapman stick player instead of rob....that would be interesting

YAY!!!! TODAY IS AN OCTAVARIUM NUGGET!!!! 08-08-05. My brother realised not me, I am not that sad
But it's 8-10-05 or 10-8-05 if you're american.

[scenesfromatheater]

darn it, its not 08-08-05, I'm pretty stupid.

OCTAVARIUM DAY....maybe - 08-10-05

ahhhh....I get it now....its _OCT_ober

so its.... 08-Oct-05

[the2stranger]

now i get it :p

I thought you drank a tat bit too much ;)
Octovarium for teh win ( only the track, the rest of the cd,meh)

[MAthiAS]

Yeah lets celebrate the true mark of a band that's out of ideas.

[Lord Abortion]

I celebrate some brilliant ballads and some meh heavier stuff.

[the2stranger]

Yeah lets celebrate the true mark of a band that's out of ideas.

as much as I love DT, I think you're right.

I propose a toast to many good releases in the past, and that DT end their carriere with dignity

[nowitzki]

as much as I love DT, I think you're right.

I propose a toast to many good releases in the past, and that DT end their carriere with dignity

I hope by ending their carrer with dignity you don't mean they should finish now?
They are still an amazing band and Octavarium is one of the best songs they have ever written so I don't think anyone can say they are out of ideas.

[MAthiAS]

They are still an amazing band and Octavarium is one of the best songs they have ever written so I don't think anyone can say they are out of ideas.
Yes, they are. Lets look at 8vm:

1) Root of All Evil - Continuing an epic type thing... yeah, whatever. The songs in this thing are getting progressively worse, and do no justice to the original.

2) The Answer Lies Within - Trying to rewrite Another Day. Failed miserably.

3) These Walls - Pretty good song, crappy lyrics. They've done much better, but I can't really knock too much on this one.

4) I Walk Beside You - U2 suck.

5) Panic Attack - Cool intro, that's all that's good. Boring heavy song, we've all heard it before.

6) Never Enough - Muse are good. But please... write your own music.

7) Sacrificed Sons - Meh.

8) Octavarium - See track 6, but insert Pink Floyd and Megadeth.

[Lord Abortion]

2) The Answer Lies Within - Trying to rewrite Another Day. Failed miserably.

3) These Walls - Pretty good song, crappy lyrics. They've done much better, but I can't really knock too much on this one.

4) I Walk Beside You - U2 suck.
My favourite tracks on the album, I dunno why people dislike it, it's the ballads, man.

[scenesfromatheater]

all true apart from...

8) Octavarium - one of the greatest songs DT have written and is awsome

[the2stranger]

I hope by ending their carrer with dignity you don't mean they should finish now?
They are still an amazing band and Octavarium is one of the best songs they have ever written so I don't think anyone can say they are out of ideas.

I think another 8vm would ruin the image they held so high for 10+ years

I'm a huge fan, and I would really love to see them keep on touring, but no new stuff, unless it's on par with early stuff

[MAthiAS]

Its really not worth it for them to keep touring... they're so boring live, and they don't even play their good stuff anymore.
My favourite tracks on the album, I dunno why people dislike it, it's the ballads, man.
I like ballads if they're good. These aren't.

[red barchetta]

Yes, they are. Lets look at 8vm:

1) Root of All Evil - Continuing an epic type thing... yeah, whatever. The songs in this thing are getting progressively worse, and do no justice to the original.

2) The Answer Lies Within - Trying to rewrite Another Day. Failed miserably.

3) These Walls - Pretty good song, crappy lyrics. They've done much better, but I can't really knock too much on this one.

4) I Walk Beside You - U2 suck.

5) Panic Attack - Cool intro, that's all that's good. Boring heavy song, we've all heard it before.

6) Never Enough - Muse are good. But please... write your own music.

7) Sacrificed Sons - Meh.

8) Octavarium - See track 6, but insert Pink Floyd and Megadeth.
good review. Octavarium is overrated.

[nowitzki]

I think another 8vm would ruin the image they held so high for 10+ years

I'm a huge fan, and I would really love to see them keep on touring, but no new stuff, unless it's on par with early stuff

I'm sure some people thought that after FII, but they pulled it out the bag, recovered and made arguably the best album of their career. I'm always interested to see what they're going to do next, every album they've ever made is so different you just don't know what to expect.


Its really not worth it for them to keep touring... they're so boring live, and they don't even play their good stuff anymore.


What do you mean they don't play their good stuff?! I don't know where you got that idea, but they play a huge selection of songs from all periods of their carrer every night (although obvoiusly some are played more often than others).
and if you don't enjoy watching them live don't go and see them, because theres still plenty of people who do.

[classicrockman]

I'm I the only one who likes 'Octavarium?'

[Aberrationbass]

i still think its pretty good they still own most bands out there
panic attack is my personal fave the middle riff and solo sections dominate

[Rounder]

http://www.stick.com/method/greg_howard1.wmv

http://www.stick.com/method/greg_howard2.wmv

These are chapman stick vids.

And as far as DT 'tributing' other bands, theyve been doing it a while now, at least since TOT and whether you call it a tribute or a ripoff, we are not getting true DT. i wait for the time when DT makes its own music again

LTE, OSI will by my music of choice til then

[nowitzki]

Those videos are great, but it does look very difficult to play, and it's hardly the kind of thing you're gonna be able to pick up cheap at your local guitar shop and give it a go. But a very cool instrument nevertheless.

[Dragon_Prince]

8-)

I'm seeing DT tomorrow

who's jealous? ;)

[beaNN]

Me :< Whereabouts?

[Dragon_Prince]

I'm going to see them in Holland ;) Heineken Music Hall, not the biggest palce, but the place is build only for concerts so the sound is superb

[Enlighten Me]

Then you are even luckier, although big shows are also quite an experience.

[Triangle]

I'm going to see them two nights in a row this month. Yay!

[Jasarn]

The Glass Prison riff is... oh god.

[Lord Abortion]

I'm going to see them two nights in a row this month. Yay!
Bastard bastard bastard. :upset:

[nowitzki]

I'm going to see them two nights in a row this month. Yay!

As am I :cool:

[Enlighten Me]

wtf? every1 is going to see them but me, mother****ers :(

[Lord Abortion]

wtf? every1 is going to see them but me, mother****ers :(
And me...bastards...

[MAthiAS]

I'm not either... out of personal choice that I'd rather see CoB and Bad Religion.

[Happy]

And me...bastards...
Lets all feel sorry for Lord Abortion.

[GenuineImitation]

I'm going to see them two nights in a row this month. Yay!

I would kill to see them once. You are one lucky bastard.

[scenesfromatheater]

I'm seeing them in Wolverhampton, and I would have got tickets for all three england dates but I can only get to Wolves.

[temporary]

I would kill to see them once. You are one lucky bastard.

I hope I'll be able to see them if they come on their North America Tour in the spring.

[GenuineImitation]

How much do DT tickets normally go for?

[temporary]

How much do DT tickets normally go for?

Dunno, although I doubt they'd be too much. They're not exactly pop icons...

[GenuineImitation]

I think they were £22.50 per ticket in London, not including postage and packaging, which would probably have taken it to £25. Not a particularly good price, especially by American standards, but not all that bad either for how long their sets are and how big a band they are.


How much money is that in american currency?

[nowitzki]

How much money is that in american currency?

About $45 I think.

[IvortheEngineDriver]

I'm not a big fan of 8V...I just dont think they have the umph the rest of the CD's have...I love ToT and I love some songs on 8V (TROAE, These Walls, Panic Attack), but the rest I find lacking.

I would love to see them a lot of their early stuff, but I don't blame them for not wanting to. I know, in my band, we have been playing some of our set for over a year now and I get tired of playing it. So, you can't blame them, but when I see them I want them to play these songs especially: Metropolis Pt. 1, Lie, The Mirror, The Glass Prison, As I Am, Under a Glass Moon, Learning to Live, Burning My Soul...haha, I could go on all day...ehhh, mostly I want to hear The Glass Prison...**** YEAH!

[nowitzki]

I'm not a big fan of 8V...I just dont think they have the umph the rest of the CD's have...I love ToT and I love some songs on 8V (TROAE, These Walls, Panic Attack), but the rest I find lacking.

I would love to see them a lot of their early stuff, but I don't blame them for not wanting to. I know, in my band, we have been playing some of our set for over a year now and I get tired of playing it. So, you can't blame them, but when I see them I want them to play these songs especially: Metropolis Pt. 1, Lie, The Mirror, The Glass Prison, As I Am, Under a Glass Moon, Learning to Live, Burning My Soul...haha, I could go on all day...ehhh, mostly I want to hear The Glass Prison...**** YEAH!

Why do people think this? They play early material at every show.

[MAthiAS]

They play 90% new material though.

[nowitzki]

They play 90% new material though.

No they don't.

Here's a setlist from this tour (I just found it on the MP forums)

Root of all evil
Panic Attack
Another Won (I don't knwo what this is)
A Fortune in lies
Under a glass moon
Caught in a web
Peruvian Skies
Raise the knife
Home
--intermission--
The Glass Prison
This Dying Soul
Never Enough
Sacrified Sons
Octavarium
--
Spirit carries on
Pull me under/Metropolis

That's a fair amount of the set made up of pre-Rudess material.
and they change their set every night so you hear nearly any song on any given night.

[MAthiAS]

Meh, it wasn't like that at Gigantour. And honestly they've got so poor stage presence that I'd rather spend my money to see other bands that I haven't seen before.

[Shadows Within]

aw that sucks they dident play As I Am? i would have liked to have heard pull me under though....it was almsot the same setlist for me other than octavarium and pull me ander and a couple others.

[Happy]

I wanna see them play SOC :(

[nowitzki]

Meh, it wasn't like that at Gigantour. And honestly they've got so poor stage presence that I'd rather spend my money to see other bands that I haven't seen before.

I guess it was probably different on Gigantour because they had a shorter set, plus because it was a tour of metal bands they probably thought it would be best to play their more recent heavier songs, as this would probably interest more of the fans who had never heard DT before.

[MAthiAS]

True... doesn't make me any happier about it though.

[scenesfromatheater]

I don't care what they play when I see them, except Dissapear...and most of Awake and FII

[Dragon_Prince]

I hope they will play more from I&W
Learning To Live :)
And I hope they will play A Change Of Seasons

[red barchetta]

I don't care what they play when I see them, except Dissapear...and most of Awake and FII
you dont like Dissapear?

[Enlighten Me]

Apparently not.

[red barchetta]

i think its one of their best songs

[Lord Abortion]

When I eventually see them on the next tour, If they don't play surrounded I will cry and cry some more.

[Chu]

A guy I know said Dream Theater were coming to Australia, got my hopes up too :upset:

I'd gladly pay upwards of $500 to see Dream Theater live too... :p

[tehnick]

A guy I know said Dream Theater were coming to Australia, got my hopes up too :upset:

I'd gladly pay upwards of $500 to see Dream Theater live too... :p


They're trying to come to Australia. Both Portnoy and Petrucci have said they are trying to come in recent interviews.

[Chu]

That's hot :D
I cannot wait.

[ChuteBoxeusa]

Does any one have some music i can use (free) in a video im making? Please send me a samlpe at jarrodgustin@hotmail.com
thanks

[MAthiAS]

A guy I know said Dream Theater were coming to Australia, got my hopes up too :upset:

I'd gladly pay upwards of $500 to see Dream Theater live too... :p
Then why not buy a plane ticket...

[Chu]

A plane to US costs $2000+ now afaik...

Edit: $2000 for plane ticket, accomodation, food (:p), the concert ticket, and any merchandise, would set me back quite a lot.

[GenuineImitation]

About $45 I think.

Thanks...I can afford that.

[Darkness]

If I went to a DT concert and they didn't play Space Dye-Vest (which they wouldn't..) I'd go beat the crap out of them after the show...

[Dragon_Prince]

Talkin' 'bout DT concert, I don't wanna brag or anything, but I'm going tonight 8-) ^^ :P

[Tails]

If I went to a DT concert and they didn't play Space Dye-Vest (which they wouldn't..) I'd go beat the crap out of them after the show...

The only time you woudl ever, evvvvveeerrrrr hear SDV live is if they reunited with KevMo, and well that is highly unlikely.

[Enlighten Me]

Where are DT touring right now?

[the2stranger]

The Netherlands, today and tomorrow, and I'm not going dammit :angry:

[Dragon_Prince]

The Netherlands, today and tomorrow, and I'm not going dammit :angry:


If you live in the netherlands I saw a ticket on marktplaats for 15 euro ;)

[the2stranger]

If you live in the netherlands I saw a ticket on marktplaats for 15 euro ;)

ticket isn't the problem, transport is, and I'm not going to Rotterdam and than having to miss half the show, because I have to catch my last train.

are you from the Netherlands :eek: ?

[Enlighten Me]

Dude, I would see the whole show and walk home.

[nowitzki]

Hey, if you want to see the show that much you can always wait in the train station until morning, I've done it in the past.

[the2stranger]

I've done so in the past too, well it wasn't planned, but I ended up sleeping between homless people and heroin whores
yuck!
and walking home isn't an option, since the whow is a 3 hours drive from me

I will wait for next year, I went to Arcturus yesterday, and next week, Vader, Anorexia Nervosa and Rotting Christ.

I have a busy schedule :p

[Dragon_Prince]

ticket isn't the problem, transport is, and I'm not going to Rotterdam and than having to miss half the show, because I have to catch my last train.

are you from the Netherlands :eek: ?


Yup, but why too Rotterdam, it's in Amsterdam ;) Well I'm lucky I live near Haarlem ;)

[the2stranger]

Yup, but why too Rotterdam, it's in Amsterdam ;) Well I'm lucky I live near Haarlem ;)


ohh, yeah, it's in the Heiniken Music Hall not?
I was confusing it with the Ahoy (which is in Rotterdam not?)

I'm from the southern part of Limburg, so for me it's a huge trip :(
are you going?
if so, enjoy, and post a report after the show

[scenesfromatheater]

yay, hopefully I'm going to all three England dates....and I'm loving it

[Darkness]

The only time you woudl ever, evvvvveeerrrrr hear SDV live is if they reunited with KevMo, and well that is highly unlikely.
Yeah I know.. I think they should, Jordans an awesome player, but man... those huge wank solos where he tries to be like Petrucci are just plain stupid. Kevin had so much more class... :(

[GenuineImitation]

Why did Kevin leave Dream Theater?

[nowitzki]

Why did Kevin leave Dream Theater?

The usual, musical differences

[Darkness]

Yeah, Kevin wanted to make amazing songs (Space Dye-Vest) and Portnoy wanted to make Honor Thy Father. :(

[GenuineImitation]

So he got kicked out, or decided to leave on his own?

[kidthatplaysguitar91]

Yeah I know.. I think they should, Jordans an awesome player, but man... those huge wank solos where he tries to be like Petrucci are just plain stupid. Kevin had so much more class... :(


i enjoy them

[Aberrationbass]

i think he decided to leave

[Darkness]

i enjoy them
I think they sound terrible.

[red barchetta]

kevin moore's solos on Take the Time > any solo by Ruddess

[Darkness]

kevin moore's solos on Take the Time > any solo by Ruddess
Agreed.

[the2stranger]

Ruddess is an awesome keyboardist, but I just like Moore's style more
Moore more :lol: pun Intended.

the solo on Stream OF Conciousness and Dissapear rock though.
besides that I like Moore more

[temporary]

kevin moore's solos on Take the Time > any solo by Ruddess

Nah, Dance of Eternity > Most any Moore solo. Take the Time and Learning to Live to have some insane keyboards, though.

[scenesfromatheater]

Yeah, Kevin wanted to make amazing songs (Space Dye-Vest) and Portnoy wanted to make Honor Thy Father. :(

Honor Thy Father is an awsome song

[Darkness]

I don't really like it that much...

[nowitzki]

Rudess is an incredible keyboardist and he probably was a big part of saving the band after the Sherinian era, some of his work on SFAM is incredible, how can you not love the solos in Beyond This Life.

If you like the direction of Kevin Moore that much more than what Mike and the others wanted to do then why aren't you ranting on about his solo albums (Chroma Key)?

KM was Great but I think in the long run it was best he left, it allowed the band to progress and I despite what some of you think I still think DT are an amazing band capable of creating fantastic music.

[Darkness]

Rudess is very good, yes. But I just hate when he wanks for no reason. At least Petruccis wank sounds good even if his is sometimes ponitless to (IMO)...

[Triangle]

I found this pretty amusing. http://jlbscream.ytmnd.com/

[nowitzki]

That's one impressive falsetto.

[The_Riddler]

I just bought Dream Theaters album "Awake". I have only listened to about half of it, I like what I heard but for some reason to me it doesn't compare to Octavarium. I loved every song on Octavarium because they all sounded so different from another, but yeah.

It's a good album, but maybe I just need to listen to it more.

[GenuineImitation]

I just bought Dream Theaters album "Awake". I have only listened to about half of it, I like what I heard but for some reason to me it doesn't compare to Octavarium. I loved every song on Octavarium because they all sounded so different from another, but yeah.

It's a good album, but maybe I just need to listen to it more.

Was Octavarium your first DT album?

[Darkness]

I just bought Dream Theaters album "Awake". I have only listened to about half of it, I like what I heard but for some reason to me it doesn't compare to Octavarium. I loved every song on Octavarium because they all sounded so different from another, but yeah.

It's a good album, but maybe I just need to listen to it more.
I'm telling you now, that yes. You have to listen to Awake a lot more. On first listen, I thought it was average and thought Train of Thought blew it away.

How wrong I was...

[GenuineImitation]

I'm telling you now, that yes. You have to listen to Awake a lot more. On first listen, I thought it was average and thought Train of Thought blew it away.

How wrong I was...


I second that staement.

[classicrockman]

I like "Erotomania." It's a good Dream Theater instrumental that isn't 15+ minutes long. :thumb:

[The_Riddler]

Was Octavarium your first DT album?
Yeah, I bought it after hearing a few songs on the internet and it pretty much blew me away on what I was missing for not listening to them.

[nowitzki]

I like "Erotomania." It's a good Dream Theater instrumental that isn't 15+ minutes long. :thumb:

I'd prefer to listen to one great 15 minute song than 3 average 5 minute songs, so I don't see why song length bothers people. (Oh and DT don't actually have any instrumentals 15 minutes long :thumb: )

[Darkness]

Same, length doesn't bother me at all. I think the longest instrumental is SOC.

[scenesfromatheater]

but we all know that the daddy of all intrumentals.....is the almighty Instumedley

[classicrockman]

I'd prefer to listen to one great 15 minute song than 3 average 5 minute songs, so I don't see why song length bothers people. (Oh and DT don't actually have any instrumentals 15 minutes long :thumb: )
Song length only bothers me a little. If it's well thought out, and deserves it's fifteen minute length...then I like it.

PS: I'm I the only one who actually likes 'Octavarium?' It's my favorite DT album...but no one seems to like it.

[scenesfromatheater]

so have you heard all of DT's albums then?

[classicrockman]

so have you heard all of DT's albums then?
I have:

Images & Words
A Change of Seasons
6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Falling Into Infinity
Awake
Live Scenes From New York
and
Ocatavarium.

[scenesfromatheater]

youve heard I&W, 6DOIT and ACOS, and you still think 8V is the best??? hmmm.....i dont see how

[nowitzki]

Octavarium is good, not up there with the best, but has some great moments.

[scenesfromatheater]

like the jingle bell tune in Octavarium

[classicrockman]

youve heard I&W, 6DOIT and ACOS, and you still think 8V is the best??? hmmm.....i dont see how
Here's how I rank 'em:

1. Octavarium
2. Images & Words
3. A Change of Seasons
4. 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence
5. Awake

Hey the important thing is that we're both fans of Dream Theater. Some people perfer different albums over others...that's personal opinion. But we both like the same band. :thumb:

[Darkness]

Does anyone else prefer Awake to Images and words..

[nowitzki]

Here's how I rank 'em:

1. Octavarium
2. Images & Words
3. A Change of Seasons
4. 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence
5. Awake

Hey the important thing is that we're both fans of Dream Theater. Some people perfer different albums over others...that's personal opinion. But we both like the same band. :thumb:

And that's a great thing about DT, they are so varied that 2 people can like them for completely different reasons. When I first heard them it was only really the heavy songs that attracted me (TGP, songs from ToT), but since then most of it seems to have grown on me and there's little I dislike.

[scenesfromatheater]

yeh, as long as you like DT, I don't think your a loser

[classicrockman]

yeh, as long as you like DT, I don't think your a loser
:)

Thank you.

[scenesfromatheater]

I've only managed to convert one person and his dad(?!?) to DT who I know. Nobody I know seems like them or has never heard them

[classicrockman]

I've only managed to convert one person and his dad(?!?) to DT who I know. Nobody I know seems like them or has never heard them
I got into DT by hearing about Petrruci in my guitar magazines all the time. They said he's just as good as guys like Satriani and Vai. So said who the hell is this guy? I've got to hear his stuff.

Now I see.

[scenesfromatheater]

I got into them after my brother showed me the cool piano solo thing in Dance of Eternity and the piano solo in ACOS on LSFNY. And the simpsons theme they played in ACOS. After that I just watched the video of ACOS at LSFNY until i memorized it all. Then I just gradually started listening to more DT. and it was great

[Lord Abortion]

Rasnkings of DT albums?

mine goes
Images and words
Train of thought
Scenes from a memory
Octavarium
Six degrees
A change of seasons
Awake
Falling into infinity.

That was difficult :(

[paranoid923]

Does anyone else prefer Awake to Images and words..
I do. The only thing I like more on I&W than Awake is the bass playing.

[Chu]

And the simpsons theme they played in ACOS.
Where does this happen?

oic about 12:25 :P

[Scotti_Dawg]

Im only new to DT so does anyone have albums they would recomend
i have Octavarium which 2 me is AMAZING, but wot albums are worth buying?

[Lord Abortion]

I would suggest Images and words, scenes from a memory, or train of thought.

[Scotti_Dawg]

Thanks man :thumb: :thumb:

[nowitzki]

Thanks man :thumb: :thumb:

Yeah I agree with Lord Abortion's reccomendations, Train of Thought is a lot heavier than the others though, so I'd only reccomend that at first if you're a big metal fan.

[Dragon_Prince]

The show yesterday wsa very good :)

Not much more to say 8-) except I got somke picture you can see them if they are online

[Enlighten Me]

Just curious, about how old are the ban members?

[Dragon_Prince]

dunno, but they are going to cover britney spears tonight :P, someone said he found it on the site but I can't find it :P

[jpshortstuff]

Just curious, about how old are the ban members?
John Myung = 38 (b. January 24, 1967)
John Petrucci = 38 (b. July 12, 1967)
Mike Portnoy = 38 (b. April 20, 1967)
James Labrie = 42 (b. May 5, 1963)
Jordan Rudess = 48 (b. November 4, 1956)

i think i've done my maths right there

EDIT: no i hadnt, i said JR was 50 for some reason

[scenesfromatheater]

wasnt the orignal singer about 40 on WDADU? and the original three arent even 40 yet

[Happy]

John Myung = 38 (b. January 24, 1967)
John Petrucci = 38 (b. July 12, 1967)
Mike Portnoy = 38 (b. April 20, 1967)
James Labrie = 42 (b. May 5, 1963)
Jordan Rudess = 48 (b. November 4, 1956)

i think i've done my maths right there

EDIT: no i hadnt, i said JR was 50 for some reason
Wow. I never knew Rudess was that old.

[Enlighten Me]

James' voice still works well?

[Happy]

James' voice still works well?
Better than Hetfield's

[Lord Abortion]

Better than Hetfield's
Hahaha...that made me laugh. As if that poser Hetfield would ever hope in his wildest dreams to have a voice as good as LaBrie's

[GenuineImitation]

Im only new to DT so does anyone have albums they would recomend
i have Octavarium which 2 me is AMAZING, but wot albums are worth buying?


Awake
Train of thought
Images and Words
6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence

[black.hole.sun]

Lawlz, I was bored today, so as I was browsing for skins on Winamp, I decided to troll over to the "video" section and take a look.

I found DT in the "Classic and Oldies" genre...
http://www.winamp.com/videos/browse.php?mtype=V&genre=2

[scenesfromatheater]

I found this pretty amusing. http://jlbscream.ytmnd.com/

haha, that first one cracks me up every time, anyone know what song/show is that from?????

Order of my favourite DT albums:

Images and Words
Scenes From A Memory
Train Of Thought / Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
A Change of Seasons
Octavarium
Awake/Falling Into Infinity

[nowitzki]

James' voice still works well?

From what I've heard, on this tour it's better than ever.

[classicrockman]

'Live at Budokan' kicks ***. I love the way it opens with "As I Am." "Beyond this Life" is also very good on the DVD.

[Shattered_Future]

I should get that DVD...I have the cd, and it's quite good.

We actually discussed Dream Theater in music theory today...apparently, Rudess's wife (or somebody related to him) owns a theater company about 10 minutes from my house.

My guitar teacher said he had a friend who knew Rudess as well.

That man is a brilliant pianist...

[classicrockman]

I should get that DVD...I have the cd, and it's quite good.

We actually discussed Dream Theater in music theory today...apparently, Rudess's wife (or somebody related to him) owns a theater company about 10 minutes from my house.

My guitar teacher said he had a friend who knew Rudess as well.

That man is a brilliant pianist...
He has a keyboard solo on the DVD. I don't know...with a band like Dream Theater...you need to hear them as well as see them (espicially Portnoy).

The camera work on 'Live at Budokan' is amazing.

[GenuineImitation]

What state is Dream Theater from?

[hoonpv7]

DT remains my favorite band for about 4-5 years now. i have every album plus many Portnoy dvds. For me, they are the only one band that never gets me bored after hearing the song countless times. everytime i hear Erotomania and Dance of Eternity, something goes down in my stomach. they are just, flawlessly written.

As far as drumming goes, there ARE more influential drummers out there, but i don't think there are many who can play with the intensity Portnoy pump out. I went to their 15th anniversity show in Hollywood and for 3 god**** hours (their shows are 3 hours long...) with so much charisma it was just inspirational... so i ended up buying a ticket to Japan for Budokan show and he did awesome job there, too

Portnoy will always be my #1 hero... too bad i couldn't see him on Giga tour.

[GenuineImitation]

DT remains my favorite band for about 4-5 years now. i have every album plus many Portnoy dvds. For me, they are the only one band that never gets me bored after hearing the song countless times. everytime i hear Erotomania and Dance of Eternity, something goes down in my stomach. they are just, flawlessly written.

As far as drumming goes, there ARE more influential drummers out there, but i don't think there are many who can play with the intensity Portnoy pump out. I went to their 15th anniversity show in Hollywood and for 3 god**** hours (their shows are 3 hours long...) with so much charisma it was just inspirational... so i ended up buying a ticket to Japan for Budokan show and he did awesome job there, too

Portnoy will always be my #1 hero... too bad i couldn't see him on Giga tour.


You went to their Budokan show! :amaze: You are one lucky person.

[nowitzki]

What state is Dream Theater from?

New York. LaBrie is Canadian and I think Rudess might be from Portland but I'm not sure.

DT remains my favorite band for about 4-5 years now. i have every album plus many Portnoy dvds. For me, they are the only one band that never gets me bored after hearing the song countless times. everytime i hear Erotomania and Dance of Eternity, something goes down in my stomach. they are just, flawlessly written.

As far as drumming goes, there ARE more influential drummers out there, but i don't think there are many who can play with the intensity Portnoy pump out. I went to their 15th anniversity show in Hollywood and for 3 god**** hours (their shows are 3 hours long...) with so much charisma it was just inspirational... so i ended up buying a ticket to Japan for Budokan show and he did awesome job there, too

Portnoy will always be my #1 hero... too bad i couldn't see him on Giga tour.

Wow, travelling all the way to Japan to watch the Budokan, now that's hardcore

[Darkness]

New York. LaBrie is Canadian and I think Rudess might be from Portland but I'm not sure.
W00t! Canada rules! :D

[classicrockman]

W00t! Canada rules! :D
Rush is also from Canada.

[Darkness]

I knew that. So is Sum41. :D


...:upset:

[classicrockman]

I knew that. So is Sum41. :D


...:upset:
And Avril Lavigne. :D


... :upset:

[GenuineImitation]

Im from New York. Do you know where in New York?

[Darkness]

And Avril Lavigne. :D


... :upset:
And Cryptopsy...


... :D

[Deth]

Well, I busted out Awake today, and like most of you, I've learned to love it.

NP: Scarred

[azguitar92]

my first exposure to dt wuz when they opened up for yes a while ago. i got hooked =]

[thunderzstruck]

my first exposure to dt wuz when they opened up for yes a while ago. i got hooked =]


Please, use correct grammar

[MAthiAS]

my first exposure to dt wuz when they opened up for yes a while ago. i got hooked =]
Too bad you didn't get speared too.

[Dragon_Prince]

They played DSOTM yeterday :( wished I was there

[Enlighten Me]

What's up with all these Canadians? :P

[Deth]

They played DSOTM yeterday :( wished I was there
It would actually annoy me slightly if they played someone else's album in it's entirety. I go to see DT, not Pink Floyd, even though I love them as well.

[nowitzki]

They played DSOTM yeterday :( wished I was there

Hmm, I wonder if that means they'll cover it in London as well? Dark Side should be very cool, but I was secretly hoping they might do a Pantera album.

[Lord Abortion]

I would cry tears of sorrow an blood if I went to see DT and they covered a gay pantera album, no offence to you Pantera fans, but I really would hate it.

[Happy]

Oh I'd hate it too. I'd throw my shoes at Petrucci.

[scenesfromatheater]

...it would be cool if they played SFAM or I&W in its entitiry....that would be good for all DT fans

[Lord Abortion]

Apparently the second show in London will contain "a classic album in it's entirety", I have no Idea if that's a DT album, or a cover of another band's work, but I&W live next tour would cause me to have convulsions of joy

[scenesfromatheater]

I suppose I wouldnt mind Number of the Beast or something like that but I think a DT album would be the coolest

[temporary]

Apparently the second show in London will contain "a classic album in it's entirety", I have no Idea if that's a DT album, or a cover of another band's work, but I&W live next tour would cause me to have convulsions of joy

I'd die to see them do I&W live.

[Triangle]

DT remains my favorite band for about 4-5 years now. i have every album plus many Portnoy dvds. For me, they are the only one band that never gets me bored after hearing the song countless times. everytime i hear Erotomania and Dance of Eternity, something goes down in my stomach. they are just, flawlessly written.

As far as drumming goes, there ARE more influential drummers out there, but i don't think there are many who can play with the intensity Portnoy pump out. I went to their 15th anniversity show in Hollywood and for 3 god**** hours (their shows are 3 hours long...) with so much charisma it was just inspirational... so i ended up buying a ticket to Japan for Budokan show and he did awesome job there, too

Portnoy will always be my #1 hero... too bad i couldn't see him on Giga tour.
Dude, you went to Budokan! :amaze: How was it?

Med, it is DSOTM that they're playing.

[nowitzki]

Dude, you went to Budokan! :amaze: How was it?

Med, it is DSOTM that they're playing.

Are you sure they'll play the same album in London as they did in Amsterdam?

[suspended_animation]

Man DREAM THEATER RULEZ! I've heard about them 2 or 3 years ago but couldn't get anything to them, but 2 months ago (On 10/8/05) I got their COMPLETE ALBUMS on a MP3 CD !-hey I got their albums as mp3 coz I live in Iraq :upset: , and here everything is pirated :D !- man they rulez, they became my 2nd favorite band after (Metallica), also John Petrucci's (Suspended Animation) Rocks. my favorite songs to DT are: Pull Me Under, Another Day, Wait For Sleep, Home, Fatal Tragedy and ALL (TOT) songs. :thumb:

[Chu]

You haven't heard The Glass Prison, or A Change of Seasons, have you?

Some could say a few songs on Octavarium are a bit heavier too.

[kidthatplaysguitar91]

Man DREAM THEATER RULEZ! I've heard about them 2 or 3 years ago but couldn't get anything to them, but 2 months ago (On 10/8/05) I got their COMPLETE ALBUMS on a MP3 CD !-hey I got their albums as mp3 coz I live in Iraq :upset: , and here everything is pirated :D !- man they rulez, they became my 2nd favorite band after (Metallica), also John Petrucci's (Suspended Animation) Rocks. my favorite songs to DT are: Pull Me Under, Another Day, Wait For Sleep, Home, Fatal Tragedy and ALL (TOT) songs. :thumb:


excellent, suspended animation ****ing rocks but, please, dont say, rulez, rules!!

[Chu]

Just wondering, has anyone here heard any Circus Maximus, and if so, what did they think?

I think they sound heaps like Dream Theater (Especially their drummer!), and they have a decent singer. They're also more Metal based from what I picked up too (Which isn't always a good thing, but meh).

[Lord Abortion]

You haven't heard The Glass Prison, or A Change of Seasons, have you?

Some could say a few songs on Octavarium are a bit heavier too.
I reallyt should listen to the non- ballads on that album eh? :p

[temporary]

I got the impression that they meant something like their Master Of Puppets album cover, although if I was seeing them live, I'd be more pleased with seeing them do Scenes From A Memory in its entirety than anything else. I saw rumors that the classic album might be a Rush album, which would be pretty cool as well. I wouldn't want to see them cover DSOTM though. I don't think it would work that well. :-\

Seeing them doing Rush would be great. The really fit their style. I'm pretty sure Rush was one of the biggest influences on Dream Theater (Neil Peart definitly inspired Mike Portney.)

[scenesfromatheater]

I've only heard YYZ(and it is awsome) by rush so I wouldn't really want to see that myself, but I would prefer it to Floyd

[temporary]

I've only heard YYZ(and it is awsome) by rush so I wouldn't really want to see that myself, but I would prefer it to Floyd

Download 2112 ASAP, or I can upload it. I prefer Floyd to Rush, but they just don't fit each other. Petrucci and Gilmour are about as oppisite on the spectrum of guitar gods as any two men can be...

[Deth]

I got my SFAM shirt through in the mail today :cool:.

[scenesfromatheater]

hmmm... is that a long sleeved shirt by any chance?

[Deth]

No. But I did buy it for $12 : Double cool:.

[scenesfromatheater]

I've got 5 Rush albums on my computer but I've never had the time to listen to them :naughty:

[red barchetta]

I've got 5 Rush albums on my computer but I've never had the time to listen to them :naughty:
listen to them NOW.

[scenesfromatheater]

Will do

[GenuineImitation]

I imagine so...didn't they play Master Of Puppets 3 times on the same tour, and not cover any other classic album on tour?


Didnt they do The Number of the Beast also.

[nowitzki]

Didnt they do The Number of the Beast also.

Yes I think they did do them both on the 6DOIT tour. And on the ToT tour they did both Number of the Beast and Fragile by Yes. But I reckon it is more than likely we'll be seeing Floyd in London, they might do something different if there is chance while they're in South America on the next leg of the tour.

[Darkness]

I got that Budokan DVD today, pretty good show. In The Name Of God was played so awesome... that little improvising Petrucci does at the end was wicked.

[GenuineImitation]

I got that Budokan DVD today, pretty good show. In The Name Of God was played so awesome... that little improvising Petrucci does at the end was wicked.


That is an amazing DVD. The production is amazing...I wish they played Metropolis or the glass prison though.

[Darkness]

Yeah.. I really wanted to see The Glass Prison... oh well.

[IbanezSamurai]

http://www.mattymo.com/images/blog/gigantour2005-1.jpg


what was John thinking? Was this outfit supposed to make him look more heavy metal?

[Darkness]

He's gone metal. :D

http://dougorama.net/concert/DT05/DSC_1695.jpg

[MAthiAS]

If he really wanted to be metal he'd have gotten a sig guitar that didn't look gay.

[Darkness]

I think its a pretty decent looking guitar.

[MAthiAS]

The headstock looks terrible.

[Darkness]

Yeah, I'll give you that.

[pizzapie88]

If he really wanted to be metal he'd have gotten a sig guitar that didn't look gay.

And he wouldn't hold it so high :lol:

[Chu]

I think he's watched Edward Scissorhands too many times :o

[Lord Abortion]

He looks pretty cool, IMO

[Deth]

I'm wearing my SFAM shirt right now :cool:.

[nowitzki]

I'm wearing my SFAM shirt right now :cool:.

Hehe, I have my ToT shirt on, such a cool shirt :cool:

[Deth]

Yeah, we're both pretty cool :cool:.

[Happy]

And he wouldn't hold it so high :lol:
What the hell's wrong with playing a guitar high up, I'd rather him have it high and play well than have it low and look metal and mess up.

[scenesfromatheater]

I have my guitar high cause john does, and he is the man. I think he looks really cool in those pictures

[Spiritofmosa]

i like Dream Theatre - lines in the sand.. which album and songs shld i get?

[scenesfromatheater]

If you like Lines in the Sand you should get Falling Into Infinity, but I would definatly recommend Scenes From A Memory, Images and Words and A Change of Seasons.

[Happy]

I have my guitar high cause john does, and he is the man. I think he looks really cool in those pictures
But you notice how much easier it is to play high up right?

[scenesfromatheater]

well obviously, but i think it looks better higher up, and also it strains the back and wrists if its too low...maybe

[nowitzki]

Tom Morello has his guitar really high, and he is unbelievebly cool.

[scenesfromatheater]

but not as good as Petrucci :naughty:

[Happy]

Not many are as good as or better then Petrucci.

[Triangle]

I'm wearing my SFAM shirt right now :cool:.
Aw what.. I want a DT t-shirt. :upset:

[national_chaos_jolliffe]

i love dt, john inspired me to pick up bass, then he later inspired me to pick up a 6string

[classicrockman]

Yeah, we're both pretty cool :cool:.
Where is eveyone getting this DT t-shirts. God-dammit I want one!!

[pep]

out of subject... are dream theater fans of napalm death?

[scenesfromatheater]

Where is eveyone getting this DT t-shirts. God-dammit I want one!!

I've ordered a SFAM shirt from ebay, but ive been waiting about 2 weeks for it to arrive :angry:

[scenesfromatheater]

out of subject... are dream theater fans of napalm death?

I believe so, well they must do if they covered Damage Inc. with Barney on the Once In a LiveTime DVD

[MAthiAS]

What the hell's wrong with playing a guitar high up, I'd rather him have it high and play well than have it low and look metal and mess up.
I wouldn't mind it if he wasn't a statue with spiked hair live. Or if he didn't sell out. Or if he wasn't such a wanker. Or if his sig was remotely unique. But hey, I got a list of grievances going, I'm going to make it long as possible.
Tom Morello has his guitar really high, and he is unbelievebly cool.
This is true, but he's cool like that. JP's best feature is his wife.

[GenuineImitation]

This is true, but he's cool like that. JP's best feature is his wife.

Whats his wife look like?

[Lord Abortion]

I'm gonna get a DT shirt.

[Triangle]

I'll probably pick one up when I see them soon.

[scenesfromatheater]

I'm going to buy all the DT shirts you can get when I see them in Wolves... :naughty:

[Lord Abortion]

The words "you" and "bastards" are speeding to my lips.

[scenesfromatheater]

arent you going to see DT then? the words "unlucky" are speeding to mine

[Triangle]

I'm going to buy all the DT shirts you can get when I see them in Wolves... :naughty:
Heh, I'm hopefully seeing them both nights in London. :p

[Deth]

I've had 'In The Name Of God' so horribly stuck in my head today it's absolutely crazy.

[pizzapie88]

What the hell's wrong with playing a guitar high up, I'd rather him have it high and play well than have it low and look metal and mess up.

He said on the Bodokan DVD that if he had no chance at being 'cool' because he holds his guitar so high. I don't have a problem with it, it's the music produced that counts.

[Darkness]

but not as good as Petrucci :naughty:
While this is true from a technical point of view, I'd say Mr. Morello is way more unique then John. Can't shred as fast, or maybe doesn't know as much theory or scales, but thats pretty much all John can do. Which is awesome, but Morello is a much more rare and unique guitarist. He also has a 50x better stage presence, not to mention hes older then John to. Arm The Homeless is also the coolest guitar ever. :)

[MAthiAS]

Morello can shred too... probably not as good as Petrucci, but he's way more musical.

[Darkness]

Oh yes, he can shred all right. He did like 8 times when I saw them 2 weeks ago, and he was damn good at it. I just think Petruccis technique is a little more perfected. But Tom doesn't show off, which gives him points ++.

[MAthiAS]

Tom writes better music which makes it not matter what he can do, but yeah, he can hold his own.

[kidthatplaysguitar91]

Just wondering, has anyone here heard any Circus Maximus, and if so, what did they think?

I think they sound heaps like Dream Theater (Especially their drummer!), and they have a decent singer. They're also more Metal based from what I picked up too (Which isn't always a good thing, but meh).


their awesome and sound very much like Dream Theater

[scenesfromatheater]

Tom writes better music which makes it not matter what he can do, but yeah, he can hold his own.

I think Dream Theater have much more interesting and varied music than Rage/Audioslave, though they have some awsome songs I think DT are much better song writers.

[Triangle]

I think Dream Theater have much more interesting and varied music than Rage/Audioslave, though they have some awsome songs I think DT are much better song writers.
I agree with this point.

[nowitzki]

RATM were the band that first got me into R&M, and they were my favourite band for years so were hugely influetial for me. However now I do find DT's music more interesting which is why they have become my new favourite band :p .
Although I agree Morello has much much more stage presence than JP, I don't think that's even questionable.

[scenesfromatheater]

Toms amazing foot stomps make me laugh, and his awsome caps.

[Darkness]

Not to mention he can jump 4 feet in the air no problem.

[scenesfromatheater]

its probably his slick white trainers

[nowitzki]

Not to mention he can jump 4 feet in the air no problem.

Not bad for a 40 year old.

[scenesfromatheater]

Petrucci looks a lot younger than Morello even though they are roughly the same age.....what an interesting fact.

[Lord Abortion]

I've had 'In The Name Of God' so horribly stuck in my head today it's absolutely crazy.
Yeah, I do that alot.

Blast all you southerners going to see them!

[scenesfromatheater]

It's going to be absolutly great...i cant wait

[Darkness]

Not bad for a 40 year old.
41. :D

[scenesfromatheater]

Theres always one

[Metallion#666]

Sad that RATM broke up.

[scenesfromatheater]

and sad that audioslave havent...ooooohhhhh.....

[Lord Abortion]

and sad that audioslave havent...ooooohhhhh.....
Haha, I hate them both, but flaming a popular band as I do with Pantera and RATM regularly gets you nowhere...

[red barchetta]

audioslave arent that bad... they are no way as good as RATM, but still, they are listenable.

RATM splitting wasnt really a bad thing - they were going downhill after their debut. they never managed to write a song as good as Killing in the Name or Take the power back in their other albums.

[nowitzki]

I can't really blame the other guys from not wanted to carry on working with Zack though I suppose, while he's an incredible vocalist and frontman it takes him ages to come up with new material. Thats why the RATM albums were so few and far between. And we still await his solo album...

[red barchetta]

I can't really blame the other guys from not wanted to carry on working with Zack though I suppose, while he's an incredible vocalist and frontman it takes him ages to come up with new material. Thats why the RATM albums were so few and far between. And we still await his solo album...
i totally forgot about his album. thanks for reminding me :p