Dream Theater

[Darkness]

By the way John P's solo stuff kind-of sucks
I wanted to look into his stuff... whats wrong with it?

[Metallion#666]

Its just like him saying, hey look how good i am. That just pisses me off. There was a big deal about him in last months guitar world.

[Darkness]

Its just shred?

[GenuineImitation]

I wanted to look into his stuff... whats wrong with it?


Its good stuff, but just not for everyone I guess (Some consider him a wanker, other consider him a god). I love John's solos. He was the reason why I got a guitar 5 years ago. I recommend looking into some of his works before deciding if you like it or not.

EDIT: Most of it is shred.

[Darkness]

Recommand me something? I love his solos to, I hate when hes called a wanker... so what if he plays fast?

[Metallion#666]

Recommand me something? I love his solos to, I hate when hes called a wanker... so what if he plays fast?

I dunno, I really liked him in dream theatre but I really dont like him solo.

[GenuineImitation]

Recommand me something? I love his solos to, I hate when hes called a wanker... so what if he plays fast?


The Glass Prison
Under a glass moon
As I am
This Dying Soul
Metropolis Part 1
In the Name of God
Pull Me Under
Endless Sacrifice
... I could just continue, but those are some of my favorites.


Or did you mean Liquid Tension Experiment stuff (Side project)?

[Darkness]

Were talking about John Petruccis solo stuff... not Dream Theater.

[Metallion#666]

Were talking about John Petruccis solo stuff... not Dream Theater.

The stuff i heard was from flight of the mosquito(song)

`does anyone know how to check how you got your reputation points. I'm at
-10 and i cant figure out why.

[Darkness]

Yeah just click user CP.

[GenuineImitation]

Were talking about John Petruccis solo stuff... not Dream Theater.


Oh, sorry. About that.
For his solo stuff, I like Jaws of Life, Glassgow Kiss and black ice

[Metallion#666]

Yeah just click user CP.

apparently, I'm at -10 because i douple post too much. Since when is that a crime?

[Darkness]

Its just frowned upon, use the edit button.




And thanks for the recommendations.

[GenuineImitation]

Its just frowned upon, use the edit button.




And thanks for the recommendations.

No problem, any time.

[Deth]

Well, I picked up Scenes From A Memory today (along with Dredg's new album) and I think it's my new favorite Theater album. The instrumentals are fantastic and the concept is really cool.

[Muellator]

Well, I picked up Scenes From A Memory today (along with Dredg's new album) and I think it's my new favorite Theater album. The instrumentals are fantastic and the concept is really cool.
it realy is a great album, its best when you listen to the whole thing in succesion, cause it really flows well, i have hte live dvd of it too, really great.

[Lord Abortion]

Well, I picked up Scenes From A Memory today (along with Dredg's new album) and I think it's my new favorite Theater album. The instrumentals are fantastic and the concept is really cool.
It's absolutely excellent, some of Labrie's vocals on it are nothing short of beautiful.

[temporary]

It's absolutely excellent, some of Labrie's vocals on it are nothing short of beautiful.

LaBrie is so underrated. :upset:

[the2stranger]

indeed
LaBrie rocks

dämn people for hating him bacuae he sounds like 'he got his balls cut off'
:angry:

[GenuineImitation]

indeed
LaBrie rocks

dämn people for hating him bacuae he sounds like 'he got his balls cut off'
:angry:


The guy from the darkness sounds like that, not LaBrie.

[Lord Abortion]

LaBrie is so underrated. :upset:
He's one of my favourite vocalists for a good reason, he rules so much...

[nowitzki]

The stuff i heard was from flight of the mosquito(song)


I think you mean Bite of the mosquito, that was actually a bonus track on the An Evening with Petrucci and Rudess live album

[Aberrationbass]

LaBrie is an increadable singer his rage and pitch are amazing
its just that the timbre accent and sound of his voice are irritating (nowhere near Mustaines leuge of irritation) now eventually it just sets in and you don't mind anymore but in the begining its irritating

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

indeed
LaBrie rocks

dämn people for hating him bacuae he sounds like 'he got his balls cut off'
:angry:

I only hate him when he "jams" along with the band with his shakers or tamborine.

[shamed-angel]

Do we have a bassist in here who can do the solo in Metropolis Pt. 1?

Because if we do, help me out!
What do you need help with?

[Muellator]

I only hate him when he "jams" along with the band with his shakers or tamborine.
Hahaha it makes me laugh when i see that, its pretty much pointless, and his credits say vocals and percussion, i guess he never wanted to give up being a drummer, hahah it still makes me laugh seeing him shake that tambourine, it is a hard instrument to play... :confused:

[the2stranger]

I only hate him when he "jams" along with the band with his shakers or tamborine.

it's kind of funny indeed :p
but it sounds very goo in the beginning of Hollow Years

I find it a bit annoying when there is an instrumnetal part and James just goes backstage.
I mean the instrumental part is part of DT too, and so is LaBrie, so IMO he should just stay ob the stage and rock along.

he is the vocalist/frontman, although one could argue about Mikebeing frontman, but still

[IvortheEngineDriver]

it's kind of funny indeed :p
but it sounds very goo in the beginning of Hollow Years

I find it a bit annoying when there is an instrumnetal part and James just goes backstage.
I mean the instrumental part is part of DT too, and so is LaBrie, so IMO he should just stay ob the stage and rock along.

he is the vocalist/frontman, although one could argue about Mikebeing frontman, but still
Well, can you imagine just standing up there for 15 minutes and not do anything?
Haha, Mike is the energy of the band. Has anyone noticed the transion of Myung? like, watch him on the Tokyo DVD, he's head banging and walking around on stage (most notably on the Ytse Jam) and then you watch the Budokan, he just stands there. Makes me kinda sad :(

[iceman3019]

also Spock's Beard
and of course Liquid Tension Experiment
spock's beard is incredible. it's incredibly rare to find a band in the 21st century that understands vocal counterpoint as well as spock's beard . . .

[Lord Abortion]

I love having Images and words on Minidisk...
I get funny looks if I sing random parts like "This one will last for ever!"

[Jred250]

apparently, I'm at -10 because i douple post too much. Since when is that a crime?

It has always been something that has annoyed people. The edit button is there for a reason. and -10? I have been -600 before so count yourself lucky. I am +159 now though :p I must admit it took alot of redeeming.

[GenuineImitation]

It has always been something that has annoyed people. The edit button is there for a reason. and -10? I have been -600 before so count yourself lucky. I am +159 now though :p I must admit it took alot of redeeming.


How did you get -600 rep points?

[Muellator]

It has always been something that has annoyed people. The edit button is there for a reason. and -10? I have been -600 before so count yourself lucky. I am +159 now though :p I must admit it took alot of redeeming.
Im at even, how do you know if youve gone up, maybe im looking at the wrong place then?

[static]

User CP

[scenesfromatheater]

Well, can you imagine just standing up there for 15 minutes and not do anything?
Haha, Mike is the energy of the band. Has anyone noticed the transion of Myung? like, watch him on the Tokyo DVD, he's head banging and walking around on stage (most notably on the Ytse Jam) and then you watch the Budokan, he just stands there. Makes me kinda sad :(

Yeh that is kind of wierd. Has Myung had some sort of accident on stage or something so now he doesn't dare move? hmmmm.... what about when Myung rugby tackled Labrie for a bet. I can't imagine that of him now.

It's funny on LSFNY(or Budokan... i can't remember) when LaBrei has his hands over Myungs shoulders and he looks really scared, and when DT did the cover of Damage inc with Barney Greenway(Nalpalm Death) and Myung is just standing in the corner playing along and laughing Barney's vocals.

ahhhhh.....Myung, what a guy

[IvortheEngineDriver]

Yeh that is kind of wierd. Has Myung had some sort of accident on stage or something so now he doesn't dare move? hmmmm.... what about when Myung rugby tackled Labrie for a bet. I can't imagine that of him now.

It's funny on LSFNY(or Budokan... i can't remember) when LaBrei has his hands over Myungs shoulders and he looks really scared, and when DT did the cover of Damage inc with Barney Greenway(Nalpalm Death) and Myung is just standing in the corner playing along and laughing Barney's vocals.

ahhhhh.....Myung, what a guy
I'll have to watch that again, with him putting his hands on his shoulders. Myung just looks tired on the Budokan DVD. When did he tackle LaBrie? I wanna see! :)

I think he's just really reclusive. I really think he doesn't feel appreciated by the band. They don't seem to really acknowledge him anymore. If I was in his place, I would feel really hurt with LTE, I mean, he wasn't good enough to do it, but Mike, John and Jordan just decide to do something together without him? Then with Mike and John really just stiffling his creativeness (for instance, they said that they told Myung to come with a song in proper format or dont bring it up, which is sad because Learning to Live and Lifting Shadows off a Dream are amazing songs!). I don't know though, that's what I've observed. He's naturally been pretty shy guy, so maybe he's just gotten more reclusive.

[Chu]

I think he's just really reclusive. I really think he doesn't feel appreciated by the band. They don't seem to really acknowledge him anymore. If I was in his place, I would feel really hurt with LTE, I mean, he wasn't good enough to do it, but Mike, John and Jordan just decide to do something together without him? Then with Mike and John really just stiffling his creativeness (for instance, they said that they told Myung to come with a song in proper format or dont bring it up, which is sad because Learning to Live and Lifting Shadows off a Dream are amazing songs!). I don't know though, that's what I've observed. He's naturally been pretty shy guy, so maybe he's just gotten more reclusive.
yeah, I kind of agree. Myung is one of the best musicaians I know of.. :p
So laid back, so quiet, all he does is play bass.... :D

[the2stranger]

I'll have to watch that again, with him putting his hands on his shoulders. Myung just looks tired on the Budokan DVD. When did he tackle LaBrie? I wanna see! :)

I think he's just really reclusive. I really think he doesn't feel appreciated by the band. They don't seem to really acknowledge him anymore. If I was in his place, I would feel really hurt with LTE, I mean, he wasn't good enough to do it, but Mike, John and Jordan just decide to do something together without him? Then with Mike and John really just stiffling his creativeness (for instance, they said that they told Myung to come with a song in proper format or dont bring it up, which is sad because Learning to Live and Lifting Shadows off a Dream are amazing songs!). I don't know though, that's what I've observed. He's naturally been pretty shy guy, so maybe he's just gotten more reclusive.


what you are saying aout LTE isn't true.

it was John's idea to start up an instrumental band.
so he asked Jordan Rudess ( who wasn't in DT at that time!!)
same goed fro Tony.
he had a complete band, except for a drummer missing, since it is very hard to find a drummer that can keep up with these three insane guys, John's wive suggested to ask Mike to fill in drumming.

so I don't think Myung should feel let down, but I agree he should be allowed to hand in lyrics/poerty again, and he should beturned up in de mix, I mean he is one the worlds greatest bassplayers, such a shame if you can hardly hear him :(

[Lord Abortion]

I got live at the marquee today, impressions of it when I get in from school, guys...

[IvortheEngineDriver]

what you are saying aout LTE isn't true.

it was John's idea to start up an instrumental band.
so he asked Jordan Rudess ( who wasn't in DT at that time!!)
same goed fro Tony.
he had a complete band, except for a drummer missing, since it is very hard to find a drummer that can keep up with these three insane guys, John's wive suggested to ask Mike to fill in drumming.

so I don't think Myung should feel let down, but I agree he should be allowed to hand in lyrics/poerty again, and he should beturned up in de mix, I mean he is one the worlds greatest bassplayers, such a shame if you can hardly hear him :(
I know all that about LTE, but still, you would be kinda like "WTF", you know? Yes, its logical, but I bet his feelings were heart

[bwnstl]

what you are saying aout LTE isn't true.

it was John's idea to start up an instrumental band.
so he asked Jordan Rudess ( who wasn't in DT at that time!!)
same goed fro Tony.
he had a complete band, except for a drummer missing, since it is very hard to find a drummer that can keep up with these three insane guys, John's wive suggested to ask Mike to fill in drumming.

so I don't think Myung should feel let down, but I agree he should be allowed to hand in lyrics/poerty again, and he should beturned up in de mix, I mean he is one the worlds greatest bassplayers, such a shame if you can hardly hear him :(

Actually, (and I don't have the CD cases here with me, so I could be wrong) I remember reading in the booklets to the LTE CDs that MIKE was approached for a supergroup instrumental band, and he picked Tony and Jordan, and it was MIKE'S wife who suggested JOHN. So you basically had it right just backwards. Anyone with a booklet handy corroborate this?

[temporary]

I'll have to watch that again, with him putting his hands on his shoulders. Myung just looks tired on the Budokan DVD. When did he tackle LaBrie? I wanna see! :)

I think he's just really reclusive. I really think he doesn't feel appreciated by the band. They don't seem to really acknowledge him anymore. If I was in his place, I would feel really hurt with LTE, I mean, he wasn't good enough to do it, but Mike, John and Jordan just decide to do something together without him? Then with Mike and John really just stiffling his creativeness (for instance, they said that they told Myung to come with a song in proper format or dont bring it up, which is sad because Learning to Live and Lifting Shadows off a Dream are amazing songs!). I don't know though, that's what I've observed. He's naturally been pretty shy guy, so maybe he's just gotten more reclusive.

Thats really sad, Learning To Live is actually my favorite Dream Theater song (along with The Glass Prison and A Change of Seasons.)

[Lord Abortion]

OK...live at the Marquee is pretty amazing... Bombay Vindaloo sounds like a mix of Rush and Iron Maiden and Led Zep...

[scenesfromatheater]

I really don't like Mike Portnoy. He's one of the best drummers ive heard but it annoys me when he says things like Myung shouldn't right lyrics/poetry for DT stuff if it's not in the proper format.
:evil: I bet Mike bullies Myung backstage and Myung is too frightened to say anything incase he gets chucked out of DT :evil:

[kidthatplaysguitar91]

LaBrie is an increadable singer his rage and pitch are amazing
its just that the timbre accent and sound of his voice are irritating (nowhere near Mustaines leuge of irritation) now eventually it just sets in and you don't mind anymore but in the begining its irritating


wtf does that mean

[scenesfromatheater]

hmmm...that dosen't really make sence at all.

[GenuineImitation]

I just picked up the Live at Budokon DVD. I had the cd, but I wanted the DVD and it is amazing. It almost fells like your are there. The camera crew did a really good job closing in on certain members of the band during certain parts of a song. For example, Petrucci in As I Am during the solo or Portnoy during the instrumedely when he was doing his thing. The production is great. I want to get another DVD, whats another good Dream theater DVD.

[IbanezSamurai]

I just picked up the Live at Budokon DVD. I had the cd, but I wanted the DVD and it is amazing. It almost fells like your are there. The camera crew did a really good job closing in on certain members of the band during certain parts of a song. For example, Petrucci in As I Am during the solo or Portnoy during the instrumedely when he was doing his thing. The production is great. I want to get another DVD, whats another good Dream theater DVD.

I've heard Scenes from New York is pretty good, I have double feature live in tokyo and 5 years in a live time, which are collection of music videos, concerts and making of the albums

[Darkness]

I can't find that DVD anywhere... :(


Will have to steal it from my friend..

[classicrockman]

I've just become a really intrigued fan of Dream Theater. They're amazing! Everyone is just so amazing talented...words...cannot...decsribe. Anyway here's a list of albums I have. I've only been listening to them for about a few months now.

Octavarium: So far... it's incredible. I love every track.
Images & Words: Freakin' amazing. I love "Metropolis" and "Take the Time."
Awake: Haven't listened to it so much yet, but so far, I don't like it.
Live Scenes from New York: I don't know much of the material...should have bought more albums first.
Live at Budokan DVD: :amaze: :amaze: :amaze: :amaze: .

So I wanna know what's the next DT album I should buy. Which should I avoid? Thanks.

[Trivium]

I've just become a really intrigued fan of Dream Theater. They're amazing! Everyone is just so amazing talented...words...cannot...decsribe. Anyway here's a list of albums I have. I've only been listening to them for about a few months now.

Octavarium: So far... it's incredible. I love every track.
Images & Words: Freakin' amazing. I love "Metropolis" and "Take the Time."
Awake: Haven't listened to it so much yet, but so far, I don't like it.
Live Scenes from New York: I don't know much of the material...should have bought more albums first.
Live at Budokan DVD: :amaze: :amaze: :amaze: :amaze: .

So I wanna know what's the next DT album I should buy. Which should I avoid? Thanks.

their all good

six degrees of inner turbulance is their best album

[MAthiAS]

Get 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence or Scenes From A Memory next.

Listen to Awake more.

[classicrockman]

their all good

six degrees of inner turbulance is their best album
Hmmm...oh really. (pondering, pondering, pondering).

More opinions:

[Darkness]

I've just become a really intrigued fan of Dream Theater. They're amazing! Everyone is just so amazing talented...words...cannot...decsribe. Anyway here's a list of albums I have. I've only been listening to them for about a few months now.

Octavarium: So far... it's incredible. I love every track.
Images & Words: Freakin' amazing. I love "Metropolis" and "Take the Time."
Awake: Haven't listened to it so much yet, but so far, I don't like it.
Live Scenes from New York: I don't know much of the material...should have bought more albums first.
Live at Budokan DVD: :amaze: :amaze: :amaze: :amaze: .

So I wanna know what's the next DT album I should buy. Which should I avoid? Thanks.
I encourage more listens on Awake. Its my favorite by them. Train of Thought's a nice heavy album if thats what you want, and 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulance is a nice mix of everything the band can do, and its 2 cds.

[MAthiAS]

6 Degrees is far from their best album bro.

[classicrockman]

Get 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence or Scenes From A Memory next.

Listen to Awake more.
Isn't 'Six Degrees' a double album?

[classicrockman]

Isn't 'Six Degrees' a double album?
Oh, someone just answered that.

[GenuineImitation]

Hmmm...oh really. (pondering, pondering, pondering).

More opinions:


I would recommend listneing to Awake more, getting 6DOIT and Train of Thought.

[classicrockman]

I would recommend listneing to Awake more, getting 6DOIT and Train of Thought.
Okay, I'll listen to 'Awake' more.

So I hear 'Train of Thought' is the heaviest DT album. Does that mean it's good? I like "As I Am" on my DVD.

[Darkness]

It is good, but be prepared for pointless keyboard/guitar soloing in most songs. But otherwise yeah, its a good cd. In the Name of God is probably my favorite, minus the wank...

[classicrockman]

It is good, but be prepared for pointless keyboard/guitar soloing in most songs. But otherwise yeah, its a good cd. In the Name of God is probably my favorite, minus the wank...
I'll wank it out all night long!

I love Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson...all those guys. The reason I got into DT is because I heard Pettrruci could shread. But Dream Theater is so, so much more.

[Trivium]

I just heard Another Day for the first time

its completely amazing, its so calm and soothing and awesome.. great song, if you havnt heard it, then stop not hearing it

[Darkness]

Yeah, theres some good guitar solos, but I'm really not a fan of keyboard wank. Its kinda recks it for me, and a lot of the time their wildly out of place... every song is like *intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, small bridge, mad jam session consisting of keyboard/guitar solos for 5 min, chorus, ending*, with the odd exception.

[classicrockman]

I just heard Another Day for the first time

its completely amazing, its so calm and soothing and awesome.. great song, if you havnt heard it, then stop not hearing it
Yeah I like it. A little popish but cool.

[temporary]

I just heard Another Day for the first time

its completely amazing, its so calm and soothing and awesome.. great song, if you havnt heard it, then stop not hearing it

Yeah, its pretty good. The version from Live Scenes From New York completely owns the studio version. LaBrie vocals are just amazing.

[ElectricalStorm]

Actually, (and I don't have the CD cases here with me, so I could be wrong) I remember reading in the booklets to the LTE CDs that MIKE was approached for a supergroup instrumental band, and he picked Tony and Jordan, and it was MIKE'S wife who suggested JOHN. So you basically had it right just backwards. Anyone with a booklet handy corroborate this?

yup this is correct. Mike stated that he wanted the project to "his own", so he didn't want petrucci at first. It was only after struggled to find a guitarist for Lte did his wife suggested petrucci (a possibility he was always conscious of yet didn't want to turn to).

So Lte was not an attempt for petrucci/portnoy/rudess to ditch myung and labrie, it was a supergroup project spearheaded by portnoy. Again rudess wasn't involved with dt at the time he was asked to participate and portnoy certainly didn't have petrucci penciled in as his first option. Having said that, I"m glad everything turned out the way it did--Lte is great :thumb:

[IvortheEngineDriver]

Pretty much all of Train of Thought, Images and Words, and Awake is perfect. I love ToT though, I would recommend every song off of that one :)

[Chu]

their all good

six degrees of inner turbulance is their best album
How can you even compare Six Degrees to Awake or Images & Words? :o
Six Degrees is GREAT, but nothing compared to Awake or Images, in my opinion.....

[kidthatplaysguitar91]

everyone one of their albums and songs are amazing

[MAthiAS]

Okay, I'll listen to 'Awake' more.

So I hear 'Train of Thought' is the heaviest DT album. Does that mean it's good?
Not really.
everyone one of their albums and songs are amazing
Fanboy alert.

[kidthatplaysguitar91]

Not really.

Fanboy alert.


wtf is that supposed to mean

[Chu]

Maybe.. That you're a fanboy and will deny all faults?

Edit: Then again, what would I know...

[MAthiAS]

wtf is that supposed to mean
It means you're a fanboy. Come on, every one of DT's songs amazing? Have you listened to The Answer Lies Within lately?

[kidthatplaysguitar91]

It means you're a fanboy. Come on, every one of DT's songs amazing? Have you listened to The Answer Lies Within lately?

i havent heard all of them just most

i havent heard that song

[bwnstl]

Then obviously you don't have the credibility to claim that all of their songs are amazing, now do you?

[kidthatplaysguitar91]

Then obviously you don't have the credibility to claim that all of their songs are amazing, now do you?


i'm listening to it, its not bad, not one of their better songs but still pretty good

[Chu]

No way...

[kidthatplaysguitar91]

No way...


....

[MAthiAS]

i'm listening to it, its not bad, not one of their better songs but still pretty good
Pretty good =/= amazing

ggnorekthx

[kidthatplaysguitar91]

ok fine 95 percent of their songs are amazing, happy....

[MAthiAS]

95% of JP's solos are pure wank too.

[Darkness]

Yeah... but when he doesn't wank, its pure gold. Like a few of the ones in A Change of Seasons.

[MAthiAS]

Yeah. He used to have great riffage and not as wank solos back on Images and Words, and now he's moved to this extremely low open string boring riff cycle and wankfest.

[Triangle]

Yeah... but when he doesn't wank, its pure gold. Like a few of the ones in A Change of Seasons.
Yeah man, especially Lines In The Sand and Scarred solos. :cool:

[badtaste]

Im just wondering, does everyone here agree that Octavarium is 'not as good' as their older albums?
Everytime I see someone complimenting Octavarium, I always wonder if they have listened to Images and Words.

[red barchetta]

Im just wondering, does everyone here agree that Octavarium is 'not as good' as their older albums?
Everytime I see someone complimenting Octavarium, I always wonder if they have listened to Images and Words.
if i were to put down a list of DT albums in order of greatness, Octavarium will be down the bottom along with Falling into Infinity. they both have some great tracks, but overall, they're predictable and boring.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Yeah. He used to have great riffage and not as wank solos back on Images and Words, and now he's moved to this extremely low open string boring riff cycle and wankfest.

Images and Words has awesome riffage and solos. :thumb: That part in "Learning to Live", about 8 minutes in, guitar solo then a keyboard solo, it's so beautiful sounding.

[scenesfromatheater]

if i were to put down a list of DT albums in order of greatness, Octavarium will be down the bottom along with Falling into Infinity. they both have some great tracks, but overall, they're predictable and boring.

yeh i was dissappointed with Octavarium when I bought it. Apart from Octavarium itself i think the album is pretty lame, I really don't like the blatent Muse influenced songs cause they don't bring out the bands talents. I&W, SFAM and TOT are definatly my favourite three albums with Octavarium somewhere at the bottom.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Yeah, I happen to agree about Octavarium. A huge letdown, IMO. The title track is the only song that I really listen to anymore on that album. My favorite DT album is actually a stalemate between I&W, Awake, and SFAM. It always seems to swing to one of those 3 albums. FII is really low on my list, as is Octavarium. I like 6DOIT and TOT, but IMO, they aren't even close to their earlier stuff. It just seems like they went downhill afterawhile. I don't know what it is. I guess, it just pisses me off that they have so much musical ability and talent, yet they're songwriting ability is nowhere even close anymore. 6DOIT and TOT have so much useless soloing that it really hurts the songs. 8vm is just really bland, IMO. Panic Attack just sounds way too much like a numetal song for me to listen to it. I'm sure many have lashed out already about the obvious Muse-rip off of Never Enough, so I won't get into it. I do like TROAE, I just think it could have been better (did they really need to use the chorus from "This Dying Soul?"). These Walls sounds like Linkin Park, I still like it though, but not too much. No comment on IWBY. TALW is a nice song, not my style though. Might have fit in the album if the rest was real good and real heavy, but that's not the case. Sacrificed Sons, despite having poor lyrics, has a **** good verse and chorus, IMO. However, once it reaches the instrumental part, I feel it kills all the emotion in the song. I love how everything sounds before the instrumental break. Very disturbing, emotional, melodic, beautiful. 8vm, I feel is a pretty **** good song all the way through. I'm sure there's been many comments on here about the annoying lyrics at times (sailing on the seven seize the day tripper diem's ready, etc.), so I won't really do a full analysis on it. I still think it's quite a good song. There's a few parts that I don't like that keep me from liking it more, but I still feel really satisfied when I finish listening to it.

[IvortheEngineDriver]

Yeah, I happen to agree about Octavarium. A huge letdown, IMO. The title track is the only song that I really listen to anymore on that album. My favorite DT album is actually a stalemate between I&W, Awake, and SFAM. It always seems to swing to one of those 3 albums. FII is really low on my list, as is Octavarium. I like 6DOIT and TOT, but IMO, they aren't even close to their earlier stuff. It just seems like they went downhill afterawhile. I don't know what it is. I guess, it just pisses me off that they have so much musical ability and talent, yet they're songwriting ability is nowhere even close anymore. 6DOIT and TOT have so much useless soloing that it really hurts the songs. 8vm is just really bland, IMO. Panic Attack just sounds way too much like a numetal song for me to listen to it. I'm sure many have lashed out already about the obvious Muse-rip off of Never Enough, so I won't get into it. I do like TROAE, I just think it could have been better (did they really need to use the chorus from "This Dying Soul?"). These Walls sounds like Linkin Park, I still like it though, but not too much. No comment on IWBY. TALW is a nice song, not my style though. Might have fit in the album if the rest was real good and real heavy, but that's not the case. Sacrificed Sons, despite having poor lyrics, has a **** good verse and chorus, IMO. However, once it reaches the instrumental part, I feel it kills all the emotion in the song. I love how everything sounds before the instrumental break. Very disturbing, emotional, melodic, beautiful. 8vm, I feel is a pretty **** good song all the way through. I'm sure there's been many comments on here about the annoying lyrics at times (sailing on the seven seize the day tripper diem's ready, etc.), so I won't really do a full analysis on it. I still think it's quite a good song. There's a few parts that I don't like that keep me from liking it more, but I still feel really satisfied when I finish listening to it.
Dude, you know nothing about DT or what? You know Mike wrote The Glass Prison, This Dying Soul and The Root of All Evil so that they would be connected...that's why. Notice how the break down riff in TGP and TDS are the same? Its the premise man

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Dude, you know nothing about DT or what? You know Mike wrote The Glass Prison, This Dying Soul and The Root of All Evil so that they would be connected...that's why. Notice how the break down riff in TGP and TDS are the same? Its the premise man

Yes, I'm aware of the connection between the songs due to the lyrical content being about alcoholism. Them using the chorus from "This Dying Soul" again really pisses me off though. A guitar riff is one thing. "The Glass Prison" has many guitar riffs in it, so using one again isn't so bad. However, taking the entire chorus to a song and using it in another song is more so being lazy considering that the two songs were written a few years apart from each other. What, they couldn't have come up with another original section? By the way, what does "Dude, you know nothing about DT or what?" even mean? I have a problem with a song, so you assume I know nothing about the band? It's called an opinion, buddy.

[temporary]

Yeah, I happen to agree about Octavarium. A huge letdown, IMO. The title track is the only song that I really listen to anymore on that album. My favorite DT album is actually a stalemate between I&W, Awake, and SFAM. It always seems to swing to one of those 3 albums. FII is really low on my list, as is Octavarium. I like 6DOIT and TOT, but IMO, they aren't even close to their earlier stuff. It just seems like they went downhill afterawhile. I don't know what it is. I guess, it just pisses me off that they have so much musical ability and talent, yet they're songwriting ability is nowhere even close anymore. 6DOIT and TOT have so much useless soloing that it really hurts the songs. 8vm is just really bland, IMO. Panic Attack just sounds way too much like a numetal song for me to listen to it. I'm sure many have lashed out already about the obvious Muse-rip off of Never Enough, so I won't get into it. I do like TROAE, I just think it could have been better (did they really need to use the chorus from "This Dying Soul?"). These Walls sounds like Linkin Park, I still like it though, but not too much. No comment on IWBY. TALW is a nice song, not my style though. Might have fit in the album if the rest was real good and real heavy, but that's not the case. Sacrificed Sons, despite having poor lyrics, has a **** good verse and chorus, IMO. However, once it reaches the instrumental part, I feel it kills all the emotion in the song. I love how everything sounds before the instrumental break. Very disturbing, emotional, melodic, beautiful. 8vm, I feel is a pretty **** good song all the way through. I'm sure there's been many comments on here about the annoying lyrics at times (sailing on the seven seize the day tripper diem's ready, etc.), so I won't really do a full analysis on it. I still think it's quite a good song. There's a few parts that I don't like that keep me from liking it more, but I still feel really satisfied when I finish listening to it.

So, what their recent decline in quality in their albums (I agree with your opinion of Octavarium,) can anybody tell me what their live act is like? Lots of 90s stuff, or more recent music?

[the2stranger]

they play all sorts of stuff live
some Awake stuff, some I&W, some WDADU, some ToT, and some 8vm :(

the music is good, although their stage presence isn't all that great

[MAthiAS]

although their stage presence isn't all that great
Understatement ++

[Enlighten Me]

I'm new here.. holy crap this thread is huge, anyway i just started listening to DT and i'm loving it. It's so different than all the other stuff out there it really is unique.
Are there any other bands out there in the same genre that come close to sounding like these guys?

[RiceMonster]

yeh i was dissappointed with Octavarium when I bought it. Apart from Octavarium itself i think the album is pretty lame, I really don't like the blatent Muse influenced songs cause they don't bring out the bands talents. I&W, SFAM and TOT are definatly my favourite three albums with Octavarium somewhere at the bottom.
I pretty much just like the first and last songs on Octavarium. Other than that, the album is useless.

[Chu]

You could just look for bands who play Progressive Metal, like Symphony X for example (I've never heard Symphony X so I don't know if they sound anything alike), I believe the band Circus Maximus sound very similar to Dream Theater (Although, the singer is very different to LaBrie)...

[Enlighten Me]

Thanks i'll keep them in mind...
I'm listening to Overture 1928... it is absolutley amazing! what other good instrumental songs do DT have?

[GenuineImitation]

Thanks i'll keep them in mind...
I'm listening to Overture 1928... it is absolutley amazing! what other good instrumental songs do DT have?


Stream of consciousness is my favorite at the moment.

[Happy]

Stream of consciousness is my favorite at the moment.
That song is awesome.
My friend finally ordered DT tickets, I'm so happy!

[GenuineImitation]

That song is awesome.
My friend finally ordered DT tickets, I'm so happy!


When are you seeing them?

[Happy]

When are you seeing them?
I'm not completely sure, it's one of the London gigs later on this month.

[GenuineImitation]

I'm not completely sure, it's one of the London gigs later on this month.


Thats cool. How much were the tickets?

[Happy]

Thats cool. How much were the tickets?
I'm not too sure, he's returning the favour because I bought tickets to the last gig we went to. I think they were around £25

[GenuineImitation]

I want to go to a dream theater show. I missed them on Gigantour and I was really pissed. Considering theat Dream Theater, Nevermore, Symphony X and Megadeth are some of my favorite bands.

[Lord Abortion]

Meh, I really can't get into Awake much...

Apart from Space dye vest, which is probably one of my favourite DT songs...

Mmm... surrounded live... :inahappyplace:

[red barchetta]

Thanks i'll keep them in mind...
I'm listening to Overture 1928... it is absolutley amazing! what other good instrumental songs do DT have?
Hell's Kitchen

[Lord Abortion]

Hell's Kitchen
Bombay Vindaloo

[red barchetta]

Bombay Vindaloo
and that as well

[badtaste]

Thanks i'll keep them in mind...
I'm listening to Overture 1928... it is absolutley amazing! what other good instrumental songs do DT have?

The Ytse Jam
Erotomania
The Dance of Eternity

[Ad Absurdum]

I'm not completely sure, it's one of the London gigs later on this month.
See you there :D I'm row L, what about you (if you know yet)?

[scenesfromatheater]

Thanks i'll keep them in mind...
I'm listening to Overture 1928... it is absolutley amazing! what other good instrumental songs do DT have?

The Instumedley live at Budokan

[Happy]

See you there :D I'm row L, what about you (if you know yet)?
I don't know yet. I'll say when I do.

[Enlighten Me]

Holy crap, Stream of Consciousness is really good... but really nothing is similar to Overture 1928, i can't get enough of it!!!

[Dragon_Prince]

I'm seeing DT in 8days can't wait :)

[GenuineImitation]

The Instumedley live at Budokan


Thats another good intrumental.

[Enlighten Me]

I'm seeing DT in 8days can't wait :)

Even though i just kinda started listening to these guys, i can tell you are one lucky bastard :angry:

[Lord Abortion]

I have to wait until they next tour here... Why the hell are they going to WOLVERHAMPTON!!??

[Happy]

I have to wait until they next tour here... Why the hell are they going to WOLVERHAMPTON!!??
Because they have poor knowledge of English cities.

[kidthatplaysguitar91]

Im just wondering, does everyone here agree that Octavarium is 'not as good' as their older albums?
Everytime I see someone complimenting Octavarium, I always wonder if they have listened to Images and Words.


octavarium is one of my favorite songs by them,along with panic attack and the root of all evil, and i've heard images and words

[kidthatplaysguitar91]

Even though i just kinda started listening to these guys, i can tell you are one lucky bastard :angry:


well i met them

how lucky am i

and it was free

[Lord Abortion]

They must have a poor knowlege...

I want them to come to Newcastle!

but that's as likely as them releasing a grindcore album...

[scenesfromatheater]

...or as likely as Myung becoming a goth and joining a satanic black metal band as the vocalist?!?

yay, i cant wait for the gig at wolverhampton, 24 days to go (i think)

[MAthiAS]

They must have a poor knowlege...

I want them to come to Newcastle!

but that's as likely as them releasing a grindcore album...
That'd be awesome... and they did do that cover with the dude from ND.

[Thor]

...or as likely as Myung becoming a goth and joining a satanic black metal band as the vocalist?!?

yay, i cant wait for the gig at wolverhampton, 24 days to go (i think)
What?

[bwnstl]

Because they have poor knowledge of English cities.

Most bands don't pick what cities they tour at. It's usually their tour manager, hence the title.

[Enlighten Me]

Why aren't people that hyped about Octavarium?
I heard it, and it's really good. I'd have to say that These Walls is my favorite track!

[the2stranger]

because I don't like 8vm all that much
the title track is ace though

[Chu]

So why post in a Dream Theater thread....?

[Happy]

Why aren't people that hyped about Octavarium?
I heard it, and it's really good. I'd have to say that These Walls is my favorite track!
I am yet to get it.

[scenesfromatheater]

Why aren't people that hyped about Octavarium?
I heard it, and it's really good. I'd have to say that These Walls is my favorite track!

i take it you havent heard all of DT's stuff, and if you have...may god help you. Octavarium is pants compaired to most other DT, but it's still a gooden.

[nowitzki]

The title track of Octavarium is one of DT's best songs, probably top 5. Other than that it's nothing breathtaking, but the title track makes it an essential purchase for DT fans.

[klown22]

Yeah, Octavarium is really a gem.

Also, The Root of All Evil is a nice opener and continuation to Mike's string of songs

[Ad Absurdum]

They must have a poor knowlege...

I want them to come to Newcastle!

but that's as likely as them releasing a grindcore album...
And while they are at it, could they please consider coming to Scotland some time (like LaBrie said they would on this tour, getting all my hope up for nothing).

[scenesfromatheater]

Oh well just come down to Wolves, about 23 days to go YYEEESSSSS

[Lord Abortion]

And while they are at it, could they please consider coming to Scotland some time (like LaBrie said they would on this tour, getting all my hope up for nothing).
If they went to Scotland I would be OK to go, just Wolverhampton is a little too far and expensive to get to... :upset:

[Shadows Within]

If they went to Scotland I would be OK to go, just Wolverhampton is a little too far and expensive to get to... :upset:
you live in scotland? lucky :upset:

[Happy]

I'm going to the gig on the 24th Oct. Anyone else?

[the2stranger]

I'm not going to the tour :upset:
oh well, hopefully next year

[Lord Abortion]

you live in scotland? lucky
I live about as far north in England as you can get without being in scotland...

[scenesfromatheater]

I'm going to the gig on the 24th Oct. Anyone else?

Unless you're near the front I don't reckon it will be as much as an experience when you're seated. I'm going to have sore legs after standing for over 3 hours in Wolves though. aahhhhhh

[nowitzki]

I'm going to the gig on the 24th Oct. Anyone else?

yes, yes, and the 25th as well :cool:

[scenesfromatheater]

yes, yes, and the 25th as well :cool:

DARN YOU...i would go but I can't (obviously)

[GenuineImitation]

Does anyone have a video file or know where I can get one of Dream Theater playing the glass prison live. I have been looking everywhere for it and have turned up empty handed.

[Kirk's Puppet]

Just bought I&W Live in Tokyo and 5 Years in a Livetime.

Myung was freaking hyper back then. The commentaries were funny :lol:

Someone: What're you playing there, John?
Myung: Uhh... yeah, bass. (Same reply as LSFNY :lol: )

Someone: Miracle, what's this song about?
Ruddess: Yeah, what's this song about, John?
Myung: It's about 5 minutes.

:lol: :lol:

Myung's the greatest member of the freaking band.

[Kirk's Puppet]

Im just wondering, does everyone here agree that Octavarium is 'not as good' as their older albums?
Everytime I see someone complimenting Octavarium, I always wonder if they have listened to Images and Words.

Octavarium is a good album. James LaBrie sings more carefully here. I love The Answer Lies Within too.

[Chu]

Just bought I&W Live in Tokyo and 5 Years in a Livetime.

Myung was freaking hyper back then. The commentaries were funny :lol:

Someone: What're you playing there, John?
Myung: Uhh... yeah, bass. (Same reply as LSFNY :lol:)

Someone: Miracle, what's this song about?
Ruddess: Yeah, what's this song about, John?
Myung: It's about 5 minutes.

:lol: :lol:

Myung's the greatest member of the freaking band.
Hell yes \m/

[the2stranger]

Just bought I&W Live in Tokyo and 5 Years in a Livetime.

Myung was freaking hyper back then. The commentaries were funny :lol:

Someone: What're you playing there, John?
Myung: Uhh... yeah, bass. (Same reply as LSFNY :lol:)

Someone: Miracle, what's this song about?
Ruddess: Yeah, what's this song about, John?
Myung: It's about 5 minutes.

:lol: :lol:

Myung's the greatest member of the freaking band.


he schould become stand up comedian :lol:

[MAthiAS]

Just bought I&W Live in Tokyo and 5 Years in a Livetime.

Myung was freaking hyper back then. The commentaries were funny :lol:

Someone: What're you playing there, John?
Myung: Uhh... yeah, bass. (Same reply as LSFNY :lol: )

Someone: Miracle, what's this song about?
Ruddess: Yeah, what's this song about, John?
Myung: It's about 5 minutes.

:lol: :lol:

Myung's the greatest member of the freaking band.
:lol:

We've known it for a while, more reason now.

[beaNN]

Anyone else think that the lyrics on Scenes of a memory are a bit lame?

[Rounder]

Anyone else think that the lyrics on Scenes of a memory are a bit lame?


yes. I love the record music wise. The lryics are just plain dumb, like most of the lryics on the later records

afa octavarium DT has a new trend of ripping of other artists riffs/styles and putting them on record. I hear megadeth, Muse and others, and its not apprecriated by me at all.

[Muellator]

yes. I love the record music wise. The lryics are just plain dumb, like most of the lryics on the later records

afa octavarium DT has a new trend of ripping of other artists riffs/styles and putting them on record. I hear megadeth, Muse and others, and its not apprecriated by me at all.
On the song octavarium, the purposely did that though, its not ripping them off, its more paying tribute.

[Happy]

Unless you're near the front I don't reckon it will be as much as an experience when you're seated. I'm going to have sore legs after standing for over 3 hours in Wolves though. aahhhhhh
I'm in standing :thumb: so my friend says.

[Klander Brigade]

I'm just gettin into listening to them. Anyone recommend some good songs? I already have some stuff off Octavarium.

[Lord Abortion]

Just bought I&W Live in Tokyo and 5 Years in a Livetime.

Myung was freaking hyper back then. The commentaries were funny :lol:

Someone: What're you playing there, John?
Myung: Uhh... yeah, bass. (Same reply as LSFNY :lol: )

Someone: Miracle, what's this song about?
Ruddess: Yeah, what's this song about, John?
Myung: It's about 5 minutes.

:lol: :lol:

Myung's the greatest member of the freaking band.
That's brilliant :lol:

[scenesfromatheater]

I'm just gettin into listening to them. Anyone recommend some good songs? I already have some stuff off Octavarium.

Metropolis pt. 1 (the greatest DT song of aaaaalllll), Learning to Live, Take the Time, A Change of Seasons, Glass Prison...and many many more

[Lord Abortion]

Just buy I&W really...

[scenesfromatheater]

yep, basically. and scenes from a memory if you have the cash.

[Jack Daniels]

i think the beginning of octavarium (the song) sounds like shine on your crazy diamond by pink floyd.

[Lord Abortion]

i think the beginning of octavarium (the song) sounds like shine on your crazy diamond by pink floyd.
I think that too...

Bombay vindalloo sounds like "remember tomorrow" by maiden at the start, and a little like "xanadu" by rush...

[beaNN]

yes. I love the record music wise. The lryics are just plain dumb, like most of the lryics on the later records

afa octavarium DT has a new trend of ripping of other artists riffs/styles and putting them on record. I hear megadeth, Muse and others, and its not apprecriated by me at all.
So true, I hate that album.

[shamed-angel]

yes. I love the record music wise. The lryics are just plain dumb, like most of the lryics on the later records.
I think the lyrics on SFAM are incredible. They're telling a story, and they do a fine job. I love the way the lyrics are written, they tell the story so well.
And What are you talking about? His recent lyricvs have been amazing. I love the Never Enough lyrics, they're about how Dt's fan's are ungrateful for what he gives to satisfy them. Octavarium's "Someone Like Him" lyrics are about JP wanting to be a better guitar player when he was younger. But are written metaphorically. Their lyrics get better all the time. But my favourite DT lyric has to be:- " We can hope for the future, but there may not be one."
My favourite band ever. Can't wait to see them again :)

i think the beginning of octavarium (the song) sounds like shine on your crazy diamond by pink floyd.
That's the point, according to MP.

[GenuineImitation]

Just bought I&W Live in Tokyo and 5 Years in a Livetime.

Myung was freaking hyper back then. The commentaries were funny :lol:

Someone: What're you playing there, John?
Myung: Uhh... yeah, bass. (Same reply as LSFNY :lol: )

Someone: Miracle, what's this song about?
Ruddess: Yeah, what's this song about, John?
Myung: It's about 5 minutes.

:lol: :lol:

Myung's the greatest member of the freaking band.

:lol: I got to get that footage.

[scenesfromatheater]

Has anyone else seen the bootleg of the instrumedley on the SDOIT tour, where Labrie comes on stage riding a scooter and nearly crashes into Petrucci?

[NEVRMORE2]

Has anyone else seen the bootleg of the instrumedley on the SDOIT tour, where Labrie comes on stage riding a scooter and nearly crashes into Petrucci?
:lol: no but that sounds funny.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

On the song octavarium, the purposely did that though, its not ripping them off, its more paying tribute.

That doesn't really make sense though. When I hear "Never Enough", it sounds like Muse to me. They took Muse's style of songwriting and wrote a song with it. How is this a tribute to them? If they just put a riff in a song that sounded like Muse, then it would just be a reference and a tribute to Muse, but not if they make an entire song off of another band's style. For example, let's take two other DT songs: "Home" and "The Great Debate." "Home" features a bass line and sitar (on keyboards) that is musically similar to Tool's "46 and 2." However, that's the only thing in the song that sounds like Tool, so it's just a reference to another band, showing that they appreciate their music. Now, listen to "The Great Debate." It bears a striking resemblance to Tool, especially "Third Eye" and "46 and 2." The song almost entirely consists of these Tool-influenced parts (with the exception of the chorus which sounds like "Run to the Hills."). It's not a little reference or tribute to another band, it's stealing their style for a song.

[the2stranger]

Has anyone else seen the bootleg of the instrumedley on the SDOIT tour, where Labrie comes on stage riding a scooter and nearly crashes into Petrucci?

mwhahaha :lol:

could you please uplaod that?
this sounds hilarious :lol:

[NEVRMORE2]

mwhahaha :lol:

could you please uplaod that?
this sounds hilarious :lol:
yeah what he said

[GenuineImitation]

mwhahaha :lol:

could you please uplaod that?
this sounds hilarious :lol:


Yeah, upload it. I want to be entertained.

[scenesfromatheater]

I hate Muse and I think the many "references" to them ruins 8V completely. I really think the album is lame....(except the title track obviously)

[NEVRMORE2]

I hate Muse and I think the many "references" to them ruins 8V completely. I really think the album is lame....(except the title track obviously)
muse is pretty good....what is 8V?

[the2stranger]

I hate Muse and I think the many "references" to them ruins 8V completely. I really think the album is lame....(except the title track obviously)
the title track owns, the rest is indeed pretty meh..
too bad I spend my money on it actually :(

[scenesfromatheater]

muse is pretty good....what is 8V?

8V = Octavarium

I'm uploading the Instrumedley now...it's also got a random 1 minute clip of Satch and Petrucci at the end ripping up some solos

[GenuineImitation]

muse is pretty good....what is 8V?


8V is short hand for Octavarium.

[NEVRMORE2]

8V = Octavarium

I'm uploading the Instrumedley now...it's also got a random 1 minute clip of Satch and Petrucci at the end ripping up some solos
sweet

[scenesfromatheater]

i will put a link up in about 30 mins, its 105mb so its taking ages.

[GenuineImitation]

i will put a link up in about 30 mins, its 105mb so its taking ages.


Thanks. I cant wait.

[scenesfromatheater]

here we are:

http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=34OS0QL831ASU30TNZS2QM4ILT

its 105mb

it will only let me keep it on there for 7 days: get it while you can people

[beaNN]

here we are:

http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=34OS0QL831ASU30TNZS2QM4ILT

its 105mb

it will only let me keep it on there for 7 days: get it while you can people
So what actually is it?

[Ad Absurdum]

you live in scotland? lucky :upset:
From a geographical standpoint, no. From a cultural standpoint, hell yeah :D

If they went to Scotland I would be OK to go, just Wolverhampton is a little too far and expensive to get to... :upset:
Yeah, it's really expensive for trains and hotel rooms and stuff. I'm going to London aswell, which is even more expensive (me = skint :() You said you are from the North of England, what part exactly?

here we are:

http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=34OS0QL831ASU30TNZS2QM4ILT

its 105mb

it will only let me keep it on there for 7 days: get it while you can people
I've got this video, it's really nice. If people are looking for more live prog vids google "bootlegmania" and there's a site with more stuff like this (although when I last went on, some of the videos had been removed from the server, most of them still worked though).

[Lord Abortion]

You said you are from the North of England, what part exactly?
Northumberland, pretty halfway between Newcastle and carlisle

[Happy]

here we are:

http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=34OS0QL831ASU30TNZS2QM4ILT

its 105mb

it will only let me keep it on there for 7 days: get it while you can people
LaBrie on a scooter? Yay!

[NEVRMORE2]

LaBrie on a scooter? Yay!
yeah its kinda bornig but still great musician ship i was suprised to see satch on there with DT.

[scenesfromatheater]

the instrumedly is one of the least boring DT songs..great bits from most of DTs greatest songs rolled into one. It's played awsome at Budokan

[jpshortstuff]

the instrumedly is one of the least boring DT songs..great bits from most of DTs greatest songs rolled into one. It's played awsome at Budokan
i agree totally, except not really most of their songs (there are quite a lot), and dont forget the LTE bits, but yeah it rulz

[Happy]

yeah its kinda bornig but still great musician ship i was suprised to see satch on there with DT.
I dont find it boring at all.

[nowitzki]

I dont find it boring at all.

I must have heardx it about 20-30 times now but I still find it one of the most amazing pieces of music I've ever heard. Especially when i watch them play it on Budokan, my jaw just drops.

[scenesfromatheater]

and they even play the awsome mega-riff from Change of Seasons with the cool solos after....haha...its cool when Petrucci plays the Simpsons theme on LSFNY

[temporary]

here we are:

http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=34OS0QL831ASU30TNZS2QM4ILT

its 105mb

it will only let me keep it on there for 7 days: get it while you can people

Wow, thanks a ton, thats absolutely increadable. I'm pretty sure its from the same venue that my bootleg of them playing Master of Puppets is from, too.

[Lord Abortion]

Do DT play space dye vest live?

That's one of my favourite songs...

[Happy]

Do DT play space dye vest live?

That's one of my favourite songs...
Never heard them play it live.
I tried to learn it once, I managed about 10 seconds of the intro before giving up.

[Lord Abortion]

It's awesome...

I have never heard DT play a song I didn't like...

[scenesfromatheater]

the only song they've played that I don't like is Dissapear at Budokan....it's just boring

[bwnstl]

Bah! Disappear is a great song. Just because it doesn't have ridiculous shredding and double bass and keyboard solos doesn't mean it's boring. :(

And they've never played Space Dye Vest live. It was completely Kevin's song and they didn't feel like it was their right to play it live, is how the story goes I think.

[Lord Abortion]

Crap!

That's what bands do...play each other's songs!

[6-String_Slinger]

what's dt's current touring situation, are they doing an evening with right now or what? i've heard from people i know that they're coming to my area (minneapolis) in december, but then i've read on here that evening with won't start til 06...anybody know?

[kidthatplaysguitar91]

It's awesome...

I have never heard DT play a song I didn't like...


same here

[Enlighten Me]

I dunno why people love Awake so much, i mean im new to DT but still it doesn't compare to SFAM or I&W.

[Happy]

what's dt's current touring situation, are they doing an evening with right now or what? i've heard from people i know that they're coming to my area (minneapolis) in december, but then i've read on here that evening with won't start til 06...anybody know?
Yeah they're doing evening with tours right now.
18 days :D

[Lord Abortion]

I dunno why people love Awake so much, i mean im new to DT but still it doesn't compare to SFAM or I&W.
True, apart from space dye vest, I don't like it as much as I do other albums.

[nowitzki]

I dunno why people love Awake so much, i mean im new to DT but still it doesn't compare to SFAM or I&W.
It's definatly a grower, I never used to be a big fan of it but recently I've been really enjoying it. Scarred is a superb song especially. Still not quite up there with I&W or SFAM though.

[temporary]

True, apart from space dye vest, I don't like it as much as I do other albums.

Space Dye Vest is amazing, I never get tired of it. Its easily one of the most haunting songs I've ever heard.

[MAthiAS]

Space Dye Vest and Scarred alone make Awake worth buying.

[scenesfromatheater]

Space Dye Vest and Scarred alone make Awake worth buying.

ive been trying to listen to Awake alot recently to let it grow on me....but I just find it not that good cause I listen to I&W and SFAM so much.

[Chu]

I love Awake, especially James' voice...

[Tails]

I used to be all about SFAM and I hated Awake when I first got it. I put it on the shelf for a couple months and then went back to it and loved it. Now I'm finding SFAM to be boring and bland and can't stop whoring Awake.

Weird how things go.

[scenesfromatheater]

hmmm..... i don't think they'll ever be a day that I will find SFAM boring.......EVER

[Tails]

hmmm..... i don't think they'll ever be a day that I will find SFAM boring.......EVER

That's what I thought, too.

I just listened to it too much.

Now I'm all about Awake, and I'm getting into FII a bit.

[Chu]

That's pretty much how it happened to me too. But I guess that was partly because I got SFAM from a friend, I didn't actually know anything about the band at the time, but used to just listen to the album many times..
I have since got the majority of the Dream Theater albums, and frankly I don't enjoy SFAM nearly as much compared to some of them.

[red barchetta]

hmmm..... i don't think they'll ever be a day that I will find SFAM boring.......EVER
thats what i thought. but i was wrong.

as time passed, i started liking songs by DT that i didnt like at the start (eg. Hell's Kitchen, Disappear) and started disliking some songs that got me into DT (Dance of Eternity, Home).

[scenesfromatheater]

oh well, at least I can still enjoy SFAM now before my transition to Awake and FII...just listened to New Millenium again, and then realised why I dislike the album so much.

[Shattered_Future]

What I really don't understand is why everybody makes such a big deal out of Pull Me Under.

What is so special about it? It's really boring and irritating to me...

Images And Words is a great album, even though I keep falling asleep during it... :(

[scenesfromatheater]

I think Pull me Under is the worst son on I&M by far. whenever i listen to I&W, i just skip it. It's a different sound to the rest of the album.

The album flows kind of, like you can listen to Another Day to the end of Learning to Live like its a huge song, but Pull me Under just dosent fit.

[Happy]

What I really don't understand is why everybody makes such a big deal out of Pull Me Under.

What is so special about it? It's really boring and irritating to me...

Images And Words is a great album, even though I keep falling asleep during it... :(
I don't know, it was played by MTV a lot so maybe it was their most successful song commercially?

[scenesfromatheater]

hmmm....what a lame video that was though.

[GenuineImitation]

I really like Pull Me Under. It mainly has to do with the fact that it was the first Dream Theater song I ever heard.

[nowitzki]

I don't know, it was played by MTV a lot so maybe it was their most successful song commercially?

On that subject, DT has had little luck with singles getting played on MTV and the radio, but personally I think one of the reasons is they never picked their best songs. And they always tried to cut them down in the videos to 3-4 minutes which often just ruins the songs. The following songs have videos:

Pull Me Under
Another Day
Take The Time
Lie
The Silent Man
Hollow Years

3 of those are pop rock ballads, which isn't going to attract any attention from fans of metal music (I think I'm correct in saying that the majority of DT fans are more likely to watch shows on TV playing metal videos, headbangers ball etc oppsed to when pop videos are being shown).

Pull Me Under and Lie were the most successful singles even though they are average DT songs, and obviously attracted fans through the metal side of their sound.

Take the Time is a superb song but the song is destroyed when its edited video makes them look stupid.

SO if DT stuck to releasing their heavier songs rather than their most commercial ones they could potentailly have become a lot bigger. Recently songs like TGP, As I Am and Panic Attack I think could have done well. But MP has said the band aren't going to make any more videos, because it costs too much money, and they'd prefer to sepnd that money on something the fans would appreciate more, like a live DVD.

[Deth]

I really cannot stand Another Day. It irritates me to no end.

Every other song on the album is pure gold though.

[scenesfromatheater]

Nowitzki - Touché

[Lord Abortion]

I love another day...but NOTHING is as pure class as surrounded.

And the "pop rock ballads" are my favourite kind of DT songs :p

[scenesfromatheater]

all DT is quality stuff really. I&W and TOT are completely different, but they do the job incredibly well.

[Lord Abortion]

Yeah, they're actually my 2 favourite DT albums.

[GenuineImitation]

Yeah, they're actually my 2 favourite DT albums.


They are mine as well.

[temporary]

I don't know, it was played by MTV a lot so maybe it was their most successful song commercially?

Dream Theater, on MTV? I had know idea...

[Shadows Within]

What I really don't understand is why everybody makes such a big deal out of Pull Me Under.

What is so special about it? It's really boring and irritating to me...

Images And Words is a great album, even though I keep falling asleep during it... :(
i love that song im actually trying to learn it as we speak.

[bwnstl]

I agree with whoever was saying that some songs/albums you grow to dislike and some you end up liking.
Take the Time for a while was my favorite song (and it's actually the song that ended up getting me to listen to more of DT's stuff) but now I don't have the patience for it. Really the only songs off of I&W I like now are Metropolis, Under a Glass Moon, and LtL.
And Awake I hated for the longest time, but as most frequenters of this thread will tell you, it's now one of my favorite DT albums (there's honestly not a single bad track on there).
A Change of Seasons I've always liked, but it's only because of the title track. (now that I think about it, I don't think I've listened to the covers at all)
FII I HATED with a passion, but lately I've found that I enjoy the majority of the tracks on it.
Metropolis 2 has always been one of my favorite albums, but eventually after listening to it constantly I only had the patience for 5 or 6 of the songs.
I only liked TGP, TGD, and Blind Faith off of 6DOIT Disc 1 at first, but now the entire disc is probably my favorite DT Disc.
Like with FII or Awake, I could only stand War Inside My Head and TTTSTA off of Disc 2 at first. Now I don't really have a problem with any of the tracks (even the ballads, which are normally the DT tracks I hate).
I was immediately attracted to ToT, but after listening to that constantly I got tired of the intro/verse/chorus/verse/chorus/really-long-solo-part/bridge/chorus structure of the songs.
Octavarium so far, I like TROAE, These Walls, Panic Attack, Never Enough, and the title track, but absolutely HATE the others. So I don't know, hopefully that one will grow on me.

Long story short, I don't usually like the ballads, but some of them eventually grow on me. Oh, and I didn't mention When Dream And Day Unite because it's not a real DT album. :p

[Deth]

I need to pick up 6DOIT. Then I just need FII to complete the collection.

I just thought about it today and I realized how close I am to getting all their albums. I did it without noticing.

[horseypie]

Hey Laihoistheman, i wish i was as talented as you, learning Pull Me Under and typing on here at the same time

[classicrockman]

Hey Laihoistheman, i wish i was as talented as you, learning Pull Me Under and typing on here at the same time
I'm learning it too. It's really cool, espicially when the distortion kicks in. :evil:

[Chu]

Hey Laihoistheman, i wish i was as talented as you, learning Pull Me Under and typing on here at the same time
What, you don't have a guitar?
I'm sure heaps of people play guitar while surfing MX...

[Lord Abortion]

Long story short, I don't usually like the ballads, but some of them eventually grow on me. Oh, and I didn't mention When Dream And Day Unite because it's not a real DT album
You may well be my DT opposite...

[Enlighten Me]

How can some1 hate Pull Me Under? One of my favorite intros!

[scenesfromatheater]

I don't hate it but I just think it's that good, now i've heard all of DTs stuff

[Enlighten Me]

What's your favorite song/album?

[scenesfromatheater]

definatly scenes from a memory and images and words are my favourite albums. I've been listening to Six degrees lately so thats probably my favourite song...or maybe Metropolis pt.1

[chaseharrell]

I just got 6DOIT a week ago and have been listening to it quite a bit. It sorta turned out to be the opposite of what I was expecting.

On here I have heard much praise for The Glass Prison and The Great Debate, but they are my two least favorite tracks on the entire album. TGD is growing on me a little bit though, and the intro on TGP is alright, plus the chorus is catchy, but the rest of it is too blah to me.

I already had Live at Budokan, so I already knew most of the 2nd CD plus disappear of the 1st disk, so I already liked those songs. My guess is TGP and TGD will both grow on me, as a lot of DT fans consider them great songs?

My favorite album so far is SFAM, which is still after having listened to it at least 100 times from start to finish in the past 2 months. (I have a 50 minute drive to college and 50 minutes back throughout the week, give me lots of listening time, hah)

I can't find I&W ANYWHERE! Have you guys all been able to find yours at typical CD stores like Sam Goody or FYE? Or is it a CD you basically have to order online?

[scenesfromatheater]

i got I&W off ebay for £2.50.....bargain....it has no front sleeve though

and also, the glass prison is one of the best DT songs IMO

[bwnstl]

I just got 6DOIT a week ago and have been listening to it quite a bit. It sorta turned out to be the opposite of what I was expecting.

On here I have heard much praise for The Glass Prison and The Great Debate, but they are my two least favorite tracks on the entire album. TGD is growing on me a little bit though, and the intro on TGP is alright, plus the chorus is catchy, but the rest of it is too blah to me.

I already had Live at Budokan, so I already knew most of the 2nd CD plus disappear of the 1st disk, so I already liked those songs. My guess is TGP and TGD will both grow on me, as a lot of DT fans consider them great songs?

If you don't like TGP immediately, you may end up never liking it, but who knows.

You may well be my DT opposite...

WE SHOULD COMBINE OUR POWERS!!11111ONE

[scenesfromatheater]

TGP is awsome, definatly the best of the AA trinity, but This Dying Soul is so awsome aswell.

[Happy]

I can't find I&W ANYWHERE! Have you guys all been able to find yours at typical CD stores like Sam Goody or FYE? Or is it a CD you basically have to order online?
Weird. I found it in a Skate shop, it wasn't that hard to find.

[scenesfromatheater]

...get it off ebay...

[Happy]

...get it off ebay...
Ebay delivers my Cds all cracked.

[scenesfromatheater]

ah well, you're buying off the wrong people then...i've got so many bargains off ebay its unbelievable.

[GenuineImitation]

Ebay delivers my Cds all cracked.


The cd, or the case?

[Happy]

The cd, or the case?
The case. I know it's replaceable but it pisses me off.

[nowitzki]

Does anyone have the song Raise The Knife? I really want to hear it.

[Lord Abortion]

I got I&W from amazon for £5

[LedZeppelin112580918]

What do you guys think of Liquid Tension Experiment ?

[GenuineImitation]

What do you guys think of Liquid Tension Experiment ?


Paradigm shift is amazing. Unfortunately the only LTE song I have heard.

[red barchetta]

What do you guys think of Liquid Tension Experiment ?
i like them, especially Biaxident. but i dont really like the 'Jam' songs in LTE2. they bore me.