Boxing and Martial Arts Thread

[KKKKKocaine]

A thread for everyone who does boxing or other martial arts to discuss, training, techniques, ask about other arts discuss the sports e.t.c.
I do,
Boxing - 2 months
American Kickboxing - 8 months

[please don't ban me]

I do boxing, I've been in boxing with my 2 partners for about 5 months.

[Brain Toad]

I used to martial arts (Tae Kwon Do and eventually Kempo) but I quick a few years back. I really enjoyed it though. I took it since I was 5 and quit when I was 12, was a black belt by then. My old teacher may reopen a school, so I'll defnitely be joining back up again.

[please don't ban me]

Funny thing about karate is that you never use it in a fight because it's useless.

[Wintermute]

Fencing for 3 years. Epee, for preference. Haven't done much in the way of tournaments this last year due to exams and coursework, and such.

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Funny thing about karate is that you never use it in a fight because it's useless.
Did you ever take it? If you did you went to a bad school because there are tons of practical applications taught. Of course you shouldn't close handed punch, or kick above waste level, but any quality Black Belt realizes that and knows how to fight.

I am working towards Second Degree by the way. Too many styles to list.

[please don't ban me]

Did you ever take it? If you did you went to a bad school because there are tons of practical applications taught. Of course you shouldn't close handed punch, or kick above waste level, but any quality Black Belt realizes that and knows how to fight.

I am working towards Second Degree by the way. Too many styles to list.
It's a non defensive head on way of fighting, i would never use it in a street fight, i'll gladly box anyone who wants to use karate on me.

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It's a non defensive head on way of fighting, i would never use it in a street fight, i'll gladly box anyone who wants to use karate on me.
It can be defensive, my style of fighting is very defensive. I would feel comfortable in a street fight because I can fight off an opponent, and I can fight far, close, and on the ground. I would love to see a boxer end up in a ground fight.

[please don't ban me]

It can be defensive, my style of fighting is very defensive. I would feel comfortable in a street fight because I can fight off an opponent, and I can fight far, close, and on the ground. I would love to see a boxer end up in a ground fight.
I also specialize in ground fighting. :D

[Brain Toad]

It was really good when I was a little kid. We were taught mainly displine which led to better behavior and how to get away from kidnappers and such. I don't think I'd ever need to use it in a fight.

[HugsForDrugs69]

does wrestling count? ive been doing that for 5 years, and i took tai kwon doe when i was like 7

[please don't ban me]

You fight me and you get a brick to the head, end of fight, I WIN.

[Permanent Solution]

I pull out the katana I have a permit to carry, you die :p

[The Haitian]

i dont take martial arts but i watch alot of em. i am curious if the books teaching martial arts are any good? i am interested in learning some things but i don't have enough time to take classes.

[KKKKKocaine]

It can be defensive, my style of fighting is very defensive. I would feel comfortable in a street fight because I can fight off an opponent, and I can fight far, close, and on the ground. I would love to see a boxer end up in a ground fight.

Watch Ali fight, boxers work on their footwork all the time, Karate and not even kickboxer practitioners work on their footwork, A Boxer is not easy to hit, Like it or not, Boxers train harder than most other martial arts, We do not have the liberty of a high roundhouse into a spinning hook kick to catch our opponents out, When you can, jab, cross, uppercut and hook, you have to learn to be fast and very talented when it comes to picking your targets, we also have to learn to move like sin.
At my kickboxing class, we train with 5 brown belt and up Karate guys and gals, We do not work on foot work, in fact, the entire kickboxing and karate stances are not designed with fast footwork in mind, Believe me, you could not down a decent boxer, you simply would not be able to catch them out.

I believe what PDBM was saying, was that Karate teaches alot of techniques that are not useful in a fight, for example, most kicks are next to useless in a fight, I am sure we will agree on this, Unless you kick with your shin, your chances of doing any damage unless you are highly skilled is nil.
Now this is my main gripe with Karate, whilst the techniques are sound, ridge hand e.t.c.
The manner in which Karate is taught very rarely involves strength training like boxers and thai boxers endure, strength training is an integral part of boxing, in Karate it is overlooked, and often the best Karate fighters are not the ones with the blackest belt, but the heavist ones who can throw more weight with a punch.

Having said that though, Karate does have some useful techniques, However, we should not fight in the first page of the thread :p

does wrestling count?

Aye that it does, I've been trying to find a local wrestling school, but being the UK it's near impossible to find one.


i dont take martial arts but i watch alot of em. i am curious if the books teaching martial arts are any good? i am interested in learning some things but i don't have enough time to take classes.

They can help, but they will never replace real training, also you need to be careful of learning the techniques incorrectly or overstretching, If you are going to learn from a book, you'll need to ask other practitioners of that art what exercices and such that they do to warm up and develop better speed.
So in short, You probably can learn from the book, but you're much better off at a school.

[Raiven]

I missed out on doing martial arts when I was younger due to severe ignorance and being naive. Now I wanna start learning any sites I should look at for classes etc?

Who woulda thought it, me being ignorant and naive?

[KKKKKocaine]

I missed out on doing martial arts when I was younger due to severe ignorance and being naive. Now I wanna start learning any sites I should look at for classes etc?

Who woulda thought it, me being ignorant and naive?

Probably the best thing to do, would be to look at what kind of style you want, think about how much fitness you want to put in, whether you want an art that relies on strength or that doesn't require extra strength to be good at, whether it is spiritual, competetive or self defense, and then look at if there are any in your area.

http://martialarts.about.com/cs/martialarts101/a/ChoosingAStyle.htm

That site may help, also, when you have found an art, if you are doing it for self defense, the best thing to do is to ask other pupils of that art whether they think it is effective.

[Raiven]

Probably the best thing to do, would be to look at what kind of style you want, think about how much fitness you want to put in, whether you want an art that relies on strength or that doesn't require extra strength to be good at, whether it is spiritual, competetive or self defense, and then look at if there are any in your area.

http://martialarts.about.com/cs/martialarts101/a/ChoosingAStyle.htm

That site may help, also, when you have found an art, if you are doing it for self defense, the best thing to do is to ask other pupils of that art whether they think it is effective.

Thanks. Ideally something that is spiritual but can also back me up in those rare occasions trouble kicks off.

[Cecillianne]

I took Thai kickboxing for about a year. My instructor really pushed us on the breathing techniques and our flexibility. It was really fun, though.

My instructor tells me that Thai kickboxing is rougher than the normal kicboxing (American? Don't know.) True/false?

[Raiven]

I took Thai kickboxing for about a year. My instructor really pushed us on the breathing techniques and our flexibility. It was really fun, though.

My instructor tells me that Thai kickboxing is rougher than the normal kicboxing (American? Don't know.) True/false?

True.

[Cecillianne]

An elaboration would be nice.

[KKKKKocaine]

I took Thai kickboxing for about a year. My instructor really pushed us on the breathing techniques and our flexibility. It was really fun, though.

My instructor tells me that Thai kickboxing is rougher than the normal kicboxing (American? Don't know.) True/false?

Very, Thai kickboxing uses the shins to hit, well trained, this is around the force of a fully swung baseball bat.
American kickboxing they kick with the arch of the foot, whilst this can still knock out an opponent, it is
A) Weaker than the shin hit
B) There are smaller bones in the foot that can be broken easily, wheras the shin is a very hard bone to break.

Also in Thai boxing, Knee's and elbows are more widely used, wheras in most forms of American kickboxing knee's and elbows are not used at all.

[Cecillianne]

Makes me feel like I should've continued. :- /

[Dancin' Man]

I carry a gun. In a fight with any of you, I win.



/lies

[KKKKKocaine]

Makes me feel like I should've continued. :- /

They also used to use headbutt's in Muay Thai Kickboxing, but it was disallowed and the such, I tried to take it over American kickboxing but the schools in my area sucked.
Also, as I'm sure you know, Muay Thai Kickboxers kick at the thighs, combined with the force of the shin, this can make it hard for even a trained fighter to remain standing or get back up, Thai boxing is a very efficient art, it combines good techniques with the neccessary power.

[Cecillianne]

Indeed it does. I hated sparring during the classes; the students were merciless.

[KKKKKocaine]

Indeed it does. I hated sparring during the classes; the students were merciless.

Eyegouge ++

[big80smullet]

I did thai boxing up until 6months ago and will be resuming in a week or so. Its brutal.

[KKKKKocaine]

I did thai boxing up until 6months ago and will be resuming in a week or so. Its brutal.

Very cool though.

[Damrod]

I do Ju-Jutsu, for about... (Gosh, don't let me lie...) ...I think 3 years or so. Maybe 4, I'm not sure. But I had to take some unwanted breaks, from injuries (mostly not Ju-Jutsu related).

It's real fun, I like it. :) But I'm taking it as a rather casual thing, just for the fun of competing with the folks in my club, plus for staying fit.

[funkydan]

you shouldn't close handed punch, or kick above waste level.
If you throw punchs from all the way down there you cant transfer any body weight, and if your hitting with out weight behind a punch,its never gonna knock some one out. If your hands are all the way down there what are you going to parry with? you cant rely on head movment all the time.

[funkydan]

I would love to see a boxer end up in a ground fight.same here....what weight, becuase if your thinking of the heavy weights :laughing:

[veggie 3.14]

I do Tae Kwon Do. Green Belt.

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If you throw punchs from all the way down there you cant transfer any body weight, and if your hitting with out weight behind a punch,its never gonna knock some one out. If your hands are all the way down there what are you going to parry with? you cant rely on head movment all the time.
I never said to throw a punch form low, but if you close handed punch a guy in the face, you will break your hand. I guess I don't see the problems you guys all see here, cause my school teaches a lot of styles including mui thai and such. I like that boxy stance because it gives me a faster rear leg, and I am a kicker dominant fighter. Really, I see a lot of applications to everything I do, but maybe not all schools function like mine does. But trust me, I know how to throw a proper punch heh, and as to weight in groundfighting...it doesn't matter because if I execute a proper lock/grab/choke, it doesn't matter how heavy they are, I would reckon you have never grappled with an opponent. Pankration is also a neat sport, and one of my favorites thus far I think, besides sword work.

[funkydan]

I never said to throw a punch form low, but if you close handed punch a guy in the face, you will break your hand. Trust me you wont if you connect with all of your knukles and your fist is clenched propely/forearms and wrist are tense. I have known people to break wrist's ect from punching,but none of them boxed and didnt hit with there knuckles (more of a clenched fist slap) :s

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Trust me you wont if you connect with all of your knukles and your fist is clenched propely/forearms and wrist are tense. I have known people to break wrist's ect from punching,but none of them boxed and didnt hit with there knuckles (more of a clenched fist slap) :s
It is impossible to connect with "all" of your knuckles seeing as your hand turns. You hit with the index and middle knuckles with your knuckles along a straight line with your wrist and arm bones. More power is generated in the tricep than the forearm. More power still comes from the hips than anything in your arms, in fact, without throwing your hips, punches are not very strong at all. I have seen hands shatter when a perfect punch is thrown because your hand bones are not very strong. Do you have any idea at all what you are talking about, because you stated a lot of misinformation there. In short I do not trust you at all because you seemingly have no idea how the mechanics behind punching work.

[KKKKKocaine]

It is impossible to connect with "all" of your knuckles seeing as your hand turns. You hit with the index and middle knuckles with your knuckles along a straight line with your wrist and arm bones. More power is generated in the tricep than the forearm. More power still comes from the hips than anything in your arms, in fact, without throwing your hips, punches are not very strong at all. I have seen hands shatter when a perfect punch is thrown because your hand bones are not very strong. Do you have any idea at all what you are talking about, because you stated a lot of misinformation there. In short I do not trust you at all because you seemingly have no idea how the mechanics behind punching work.

This is truth.

[funkydan]

In short I do not trust you at all because you seemingly have no idea how the mechanics behind punching work. :laugthing: I dont trust any one who does karate. My sport is all about punching,and transfering body weight in order to maximise punching power. The entire Knuckle area has to come into conntact for a point to score (this is called a clean shot),not each knuckle, (yeah I said that wrong :( ) the whole area. It is still possible to connect with all my knuckles when I hook to the jaw :P (my knuckles are wierd tho)
And I know most of the power comes from the hips (you also forgot to mention the shoulders) thats what you use transfer your weight. Im light heavy and can punch harder than most of the heavy weights at my gym so I suppose I'll just continue punching wrong.

[KKKKKocaine]

:laugthing: I dont trust any one who does karate. My sport is all about punching,and transfering body weight in order to maximise punching power. The entire Knuckle area has to come into conntact for a point to score (this is called a clean shot),not each knuckle, (yeah I said that wrong :( ) the whole area. It is still possible to connect with all my knuckles when I hook to the jaw :P (my knuckles are wierd tho)
And I know most of the power comes from the hips (you also forgot to mention the shoulders) thats what you use transfer your weight. Im light heavy and can punch harder than most of the heavy weights at my gym so I suppose I'll just continue punching wrong.

I hope you are not a boxer, punching with the smaller knuckles is like asking to have them injured.

[fenwoodBinLaden]

Boxing for 8+ years (inactive now) Competed in 2000 Olympics, 2002 Commonwealth games and other international events.

And I'm happy to announce that as of Saturday, we will have a new Polish heavyweight champion of the world!! Go Golota!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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And I know most of the power comes from the hips (you also forgot to mention the shoulders) thats what you use transfer your weight. Im light heavy and can punch harder than most of the heavy weights at my gym so I suppose I'll just continue punching wrong.
If you use your hips properly, the shoulders must move also. Power comes from the wips, the final snap is from the hips, not the shoulder. Hooking is also a pretty poor punch in a real street fight. Inexperienced fighters will use hooks in a real fight and get rocked by straight punches because a hook is a slower execution punch. A straight line, well executed reverse punch can end a fight, and I don't know why you don't trust karate fighters, need I mention Bruce Lee was not a boxer, and he threw some of the best punches ever? Saying you punch harder so you won't correct technique is a rather ignorant statement: "I haven't had a problem, so why bother fixing it, even if it is wrong?" Well, if you fix it, you can hit even harder, so I don't see how that can be a bad thing...

[funkydan]

I hope you are not a boxer, punching with the smaller knuckles is like asking to have them injured.
I dont ,but with gloves and wraps so it wouldnt be so bad if you did by mistake.

[funkydan]

If you use your hips properly, the shoulders must move also. Power comes from the wips, the final snap is from the hips, not the shoulder. Hooking is also a pretty poor punch in a real street fight. Inexperienced fighters will use hooks in a real fight and get rocked by straight punches because a hook is a slower execution punch. A straight line, well executed reverse punch can end a fight, and I don't know why you don't trust karate fighters, need I mention Bruce Lee was not a boxer, and he threw some of the best punches ever? Saying you punch harder so you won't correct technique is a rather ignorant statement: "I haven't had a problem, so why bother fixing it, even if it is wrong?" Well, if you fix it, you can hit even harder, so I don't see how that can be a bad thing...
My coach is happy with the way I hit but yeah I could always improve. Bruce Lee could throw extreamly fast punches,and thats what boxing is mostly about. And I do trust people who do karate,just not about punching, you sound like you know how to hit but I went to a karate club when I was 10 and they used teach the students to striaght punches from hip hight (he wasnt a good teacher perhaps?) . The hook can be devastaiting,but you right its very slow. My right (Im a south paw to aviod confusion :p ) hook is relitivly fast but I prefer jabs and crosses.

[KKKKKocaine]

Bruce Lee could throw extreamly fast punches,and thats what boxing is mostly about.

Not quite, boxing is about speed, strength and endurance. There is no point in being fast enough but with no strength, likewise it is useless to be able to break a rib but unable to hit them.

[funkydan]

true(to kkkkkocaine).speed is very important, but a good defence is just as improtant. The art of boxing is being able to hit some one (it doesnt even have to hurt them,helps if it foes :P) with out them hitting you out. What type of exersizes do you all do for strength and endurance? (also very important, no point having all the tech' skills in the world if you cant stand up by round two:) )

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For our warm up routine, my karate school starts with usually 100 jumping jacks, then stretches (they prefer warm to cold stretching), then pushups, crunches, gutbusters (gut, floor, gut, air), and squat kicks, followed by forms (until you have done one properly, you have no idea how tiring it ctually is). Endurance days would be sparring days, as you fight 2 minute matches for about 30 minutes. For myself, I ride my bike 4 miles to and from the karate school, and I should be running, but am not. Our Black Belt test consists of running up and down a mountain, and basically running for a few hours, a few hours of sparring, and forms testing, with lectures mixed in and they last 2-4 days depending, but my old school's test was harder heh.

[funkydan]

You should definatly go running. At my gym we will usualy go for a shortish run (3miles),come back to the gym do 20 mins of bag work,15mins of crunches, 15 mins of pressups then we end with pull ups /squats.

[Wasted Delinquency]

Hey would streetfighting count as a martial art?

I'm a brownbelt in akido and i take boxing but i never seem to use them in a real fight.
Max i use hook punches. I like to think that those were just to toughen me up.

Im also taking Brazilian Ju Jitsu and Kapuwera. Well i was until the gym that was teaching them shut down.

Anyway, If street fighting does count (big if) then how would you rank a person?