The Black Mage Village (Final Fantasy)

[Chrysostom]

Watched all the episodes?

Nah, I got to ep 17 - Saya had just gotten thrown off the trans-Siberian train when I, for no real reason, stopped watching.

[Happy]

I've been on that train.

[FakePlasticTrees]

Just downloaded VII onto my ps3. I wish I could forget evrything about the game so it could be a new experiance for me.

[Jim]

music in ix is so good

this has to be quoted for truth

[Liberi Fatali]

Nah, I got to ep 17 - Saya had just gotten thrown off the trans-Siberian train when I, for no real reason, stopped watching.
Ahh right, got a bit confusing around that part for a bit for me. They popped up new character after new character in one big onslaught.

music in ix is so good
And it just keeps growing on ya, love it more each time I go back to it.

[fatbandit]

Meh, some tracks in IX are great, but VII still has the best soundtrack for me. Maybe nostalgia, I don't know.

Infact, everyone keeps going on about the fact that Square would ruin FFVII if they remade it, and make everything look wrong and play wrong... Has anyone given any thought to the soundtrack? I'd love to hear all the FFVII music fully orchestrated in full audio, not General MIDI. But maybe that suckiness of the General MIDI is what gives part of the soundtrack its charm. Hrm.

[Crudo]

i would also like to hear the vii soundtrack in non-suck form

this has to be quoted for truth

the field map and boss battle music are the best

[FakePlasticTrees]

If there was a remake, you think they'd add voices to the characters?

[fingers mccoy]

If there was a remake, you think they'd add voices to the characters?

most definitely

[Crudo]

id rather the older games be remade for the newer consoles

[Chrysostom]

most definitely

And as long as they were the AC cast, all would be well.

Anyone know a good place to level up on the PS remake of FF1? I'm on easy mode and want to get to level 99. The zombie dragons in the Citadel of Trials were effective up to the late 40s, but I'm level 52 right now and my "exp to next level" is getting too big for them to remain effective.

[fatbandit]

The orchestral arrangement of the VII Overworld theme (pre-meteor) is one of my favourite sounding pieces of music ever.

And yeah, they'd use voice actors. They've set a precedent with AC really. Steve Burton would definitely be Cloud. Though in fairness, from the moment I heard him in Kingdom Hearts, I thought they had the right guy for the job. But I can imagine them having a really annoying gimmicky voice for Cait Sith that would grate on me for the whole game.

[Chrysostom]

The orchestral arrangement of the VII Overworld theme (pre-meteor) is one of my favourite sounding pieces of music ever.

The nail called, it wants you to stopping hitting it on its head.

[fatbandit]

Honestly, I think it can stand alongside pieces of well regarded classical music. Often Uematsu just writes music that is clearly video game music. Sometimes really good video game music, but video game music nonetheless. But that piece goes beyond that and succeeds as a great piece of standalone music in its own right, with proper musical progression, not short loops.

Pity it just keeps getting interrupted by random encounters in FFVII and you never appreciate it fully!

[RetiredAt21]

Random encounters don't bother me as much as it seems to bother other people.

[FakePlasticTrees]

I started playing VII again, but I gotta ask, how exactly does one earn new limit break again? Is it just by using them?

[RetiredAt21]

I think that's how it goes.

[IgniteYourAvail]

Yep, using them a shitload of times. You need to find the final ones for everyone, though.

[FakePlasticTrees]

I remember I always had trouble advancing limit breaks, especially Cloud's.

[fatbandit]

Random encounters don't bother me too much. Though in some games they happen way too often. VII isn't too bad for it at all. I just like the map music in VII without it being interrupted ;D

As for limit breaks, you get the second limit in each level by using the first one a set number of times - for example I think you use Braver 8 times, and you'll obtain Cross-Slash. To get the first limit in a new level, you need to have killed a certain number of enemies. I think for Cloud to learn Blade Beam, he needs to kill 80 enemies, but I'm not certain. A kill could be through a limit break, physical attack or magic - just as long as that character finishes the enemy off.

Each character has to use their limits a different number of times, and kill a different number of enemies to advance their limit, but once you know how it works like that, it is easy to storm through them.

You can't learn the level 4 limit until all 6 other limits are learnt. Exceptions to this are Vincent, who only has one limit per level, and Cait Sith who only has two limits. Slots becomes available after Dice has been used a set number of times I believe.

[RetiredAt21]

I never use Cait Sith or Vincent. Cait Sith is just annoying and Vincent's limits are pretty meh.

[Happy]

I've noticed Vincent has been pretty lacking in my squad. Low Damage, Low HP, Low MP (have been equipping loads of magic and summon materia on him though). Only thing he has is long range.

Still I love him.

[RetiredAt21]

People just seem to like because he looks "cool".

[fatbandit]

He's awful.

Okay, he can do overflow damage. But so can Barret. And by the time you've got to that point, all your characters will be absolute titans anyway.

And long range is pretty moot. If you can't spare one materia slot to put a long range materia in it, then you're doing things wrong.

[MrConeman]

Playing 7 again. I just beat air buster in 5 turns, haha. I entered with everyones limit break ready (total coincidence). It started and I figured I'd use them all on his back, so it was like.

Big Shot.
Braver.
Beat Rush.
Bolt.
Critical attack to finish. lulz.

[fatbandit]

That's the way I roll with him too :) If you get lucky with a critical limit, just the limits can be enough to finish him off, even without epic levels ^_^

[MrConeman]

:chug:

On the character discussion ... as with most RPG's the battle difference in the characters becomes moot after a certain point, I usually base it on who's actual character is better for the story progression scenes, and well... who's limit breaks/attack looks coolest :p

[fatbandit]

But when you have a limit break which is actually detrimental to the performance of your party, like Vincent's, it really puts you off using him ;p

[MrConeman]

Gallian Beast could ruin your strategy sometimes, true, but by the time you get Chaos it just ruins enemies instead.

[Chrysostom]

But when you have a limit break which is actually detrimental to the performance of your party, like Vincent's, it really puts you off using him ;p

That's only ever happened to me against that thing you fight in the Nibelheim mountains.

[MrConeman]

Well I remember getting game over'd once or twice from using his limit then having party members die, and he not being able to revive them, but I was a kid and a noob so that won't happen again.

Just learned Cross-Slash in the Train Graveyard, then beat Reno very swiftly :)

[RetiredAt21]

Nibelheim was really cool.

[MAthiAS]

Don't understand why you guys grind the hell out of FF games, especially VII.

[fatbandit]

Well, regardless of whether Vincent heals the enemy or not, losing control of him indefinitely does not help with any strategy whatsoever. And the Chaos limit is kind of lame. By that point you can have general badassery from your materia and do just as well, with complete control ove rhim.

[BenJammin]

I disliked Vincent. I just roll with Cloud, Tifa, and Barret, tbqh. No need for anyone else.

[RetiredAt21]

Who did you guys use in FF VI? My party was almost always:

Terra
Sabin
Gogo
Cyan or Celes

[MrConeman]

Don't understand why you guys grind the hell out of FF games, especially VII.

I'm not level grinding at all, Cloud just happens to have used Braver a bunch, I'm in the Shinra building on level 11 which is perfectly average.

I did one grinding game in VII, where I set out to do a perfect game, and did, like every stat and level maxed, every item, mastered every materia, got learned and used every limit (including Great Gospel). Every replay since then I just do whatevers fun. :). Those days are gone, stupid girlfriend and life :(

[RetiredAt21]

I'm not level grinding at all, Cloud just happens to have used Braver a bunch, I'm in the Shinra building on level 11 which is perfectly average.

I did one grinding game in VII, where I set out to do a perfect game, and did, like every stat and level maxed, every item, mastered every materia, got learned and used every limit (including Great Gospel). Every replay since then I just do whatevers fun. :)

Wow. How long did that take you?

[MrConeman]

A very, very, very long time. More time than I'd like to admit to :-/.

I can tell you the game clock stops at 99.59, and I was looking at that for probably longer than it took to count that far. I think I did this when I was 15 or 16, on my third play through the game, with the use of a guide for certain things (especially for not missing any items/materia)

I always looked for shortcuts too of course, HP/MP plus materia ftw ( though it got to the point I didn't need them) and weapons with 2x/3x AP ftw.

[RetiredAt21]

Jeez. I don't have the patience to do something like that.

[MrConeman]

I hear ya, I'll never do anything like that again with FFVII or any other game thats so long. I don't remember it as tedious though, I really loved every second playing that game and had nothing better to do anyway :p

I dunno.. FFVII, FFVIII, Metal Gear Solid, Suikoden 2 and Blood Omen were my golden era of games, I could play them for days and not feel annoyed.

[RetiredAt21]

Metal Gear Solid is the ****. Game rules so unbelievably hard.

[Anglachel]

Who did you guys use in FF VI? My party was almost always:

Terra
Sabin
Gogo
Cyan or Celes
Edgar
Terra
Celes
Shadow

Sabin only if I got his magic stat up tons
Cyan sometimes
Locke only with a certain relic combo that i forget + improved strength

[Jim]

I did one grinding game in VII, where I set out to do a perfect game, and did, like every stat and level maxed, every item, mastered every materia, got learned and used every limit (including Great Gospel). Every replay since then I just do whatevers fun. . Those days are gone, stupid girlfriend and life.

the only FF i 100%'ed was IX, and yeah there's no way i'd be able to do it now, for the same two reasons you posted.

ok well i didn't get excaliber 2 but c'mon i blitzed everything else

[The Transporter]

pretty hilarious review of FFXII:

http://www.trainsaw.com/reviews/ffxii.html

[Happy]

the only FF i 100%'ed was IX, and yeah there's no way i'd be able to do it now, for the same two reasons you posted.

ok well i didn't get excaliber 2 but c'mon i blitzed everything else

You 100% IX? Does that involve the Excalibur II?

[SugarCoatedSour]

Just beat Final Fantasy(nes). Dopin or what?

[Happy]

Now you have to play II

[Mister_Che]

I'm not level grinding at all, Cloud just happens to have used Braver a bunch, I'm in the Shinra building on level 11 which is perfectly average.

Make sure you grab a Hardedge for Cloud while you're there.

[SugarCoatedSour]

Now you have to play II

I have 2 for snes (it's 4 technically). But unless I want to learn japanese I won't get to enjoy the awesomness of 2,3 and 5.

[RetiredAt21]

Wait, why not V? V came out on the PS1 along with VI in Anthology.

[MrConeman]

Che...^ Totally would have forgot about that, you steal it off something in there, right?

I'll not be playing until tomorrow, so good catch dude!:chug:

[Mister_Che]

Steal it from Soldier 1st Class. It's an uncommon encounter, though, so you may have to hunt for it.

[Crudo]

are these adequate levels at this point in IX guys

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/9656/58033640.jpg

[Chrysostom]

Who did you guys use in FF VI?

Never played it, but when I get round to it my team'll be:

Edgar
Terra
Setzer or Shadow
Celes

[Anglachel]

I have 2 for snes (it's 4 technically). But unless I want to learn japanese I won't get to enjoy the awesomness of 2,3 and 5.
2 - PSP
3 - NDS
5 - GBA


yay handheld

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

I just got all my characters to 99 on FFVII. I also have beat all the weapons etc. I guess there's nothing else I can do : (

[Anglachel]

get a new game

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

get a new game

I got Ghostbusters yesterday and am over half way through. currently grinding in Chrono Trigger.

[Anglachel]

grinding in Chrono Trigger.

LMFAO WHAT

z

[MrConeman]

I just got all my characters to 99 on FFVII. I also have beat all the weapons etc. I guess there's nothing else I can do : (

Master all your materia, get all the ultimate weapons, all the level 4 limits, breed to a gold chocobo, win some races, go for high scores on everything in the Gold Saucer. If you haven't already.

[SugarCoatedSour]

I wish the western world didn't filter out art. All the final fantasy's before VII have been bastardized.

[FakePlasticTrees]

I hated getting Cloud's omni-slash. Talk about tedious work. I could never ever get a buckload of points during each battle. *facepalm*

[MrConeman]

All you need is a ribbon so none of the battle arena slots effect you, and something strong to kill everything in one or two goes. 4xcut works well.

[FakePlasticTrees]

Isn't there a slot that can cause you accessory to be broken though?

and where do you get 4x Cut from?

[Crudo]

2x cut from the underwater ship mastered

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Master all your materia, get all the ultimate weapons, all the level 4 limits, breed to a gold chocobo, win some races, go for high scores on everything in the Gold Saucer. If you haven't already.

I have already done all that. I have 2 gold chocobos actually.

[MrConeman]

Trees: It's 2xcut from the Sunken Gelinka, level it up or master it, you'll do 4 attacks in one go, with Clouds Ultimate Weapon you pretyy much ruin anything. Yeah your accessory can get broken, but it's easy to time the slots to choose the best of a few bad things. Tap square repeatedly when the slots are rolling, easier to see what you're dealing with, also helps with Tifa's limit break timing.

luke: Congrats on 100%ing then:thumb:

[FakePlasticTrees]

What is cloud's ultimate weapon? I forget as its been a long time since I've played

[Crudo]

ultima weapon

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Ultima Weapon

[Crudo]

ultima weapon

[MrConeman]

Yeah, Ultima Weapon. You get it from fighting Ultima Weapon a bunch of times, flying into him with the Highwind before he eventually dies.

[Mister_Che]

It's what you get for beating him. That, and Shadow Flare if you like to use Enemy Skills.

[FakePlasticTrees]

So, to clarify something, to advance limit break, characters need to defeat an enemy with said break in order to advance it?

[Mister_Che]

For the second limit break in a level, you have to use the first limit break a set number of times (usually less than 10). To unlock the first limit break in the next level, you have to kill a certain amount of enemies (not necessarily with a limit break, around 80).

[FakePlasticTrees]

OK cool, thanks che

[MAthiAS]

In VI I used Sabin, Cyan, Shadow, and whoever else, usually Celes, Locke, or Terra.

[fatbandit]

For the battle arena in 7, the first rounds make virtually no difference to your final score. The only one that has any meaningful impact on your points is the last round. And the result on the reel that will give you the most points is All Materia Broken. So aim for that one on your final slot choice. If you can finish the battle, great. If not, and your item command isn't sealed, you can use a Smoke Bomb to escape the battle, but with your BP intact. Using this method can net 10000 BP (give or take a few thousand) per entry :)

[RetiredAt21]

I hate the Battle Arena in FF VI.

[Crudo]

ix > vii

[Jim]

welcome to the club

[Crudo]

only on disc 2 and its already better

[Anglachel]

i love it when you battle zeal on the black omen with magus in your party and you get the extra little dialogue and the battle theme changes to magus' and hes all like "i pity you" and shes all like "insufferable prophet!" and never realizes magus is her kid :(

then magus is like "time to finish this" and you make that cunt eat dirt

[RetiredAt21]

Crap yeah!

[Anglachel]

Crap yeah!
:(:(

[RetiredAt21]

Why are you sad?

[Anglachel]

thats just a dimmu thing to say and i never read any dimmu thing from anyone other than dimmu as a positive thing

[BenJammin]

Who did you guys use in FF VI? My party was almost always:

Terra
Sabin
Gogo
Cyan or Celes

Terra
Locke
Edgar
Celes

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

I need to finish ffVI. I got 10 hours into it and got stuck at the second train boss. :<

[FakePlasticTrees]

Isn't there a sword I can get in Shinra Building?

[MrConeman]

All explained on the last page, it's called the Hardedge, I ended up giving up on it because I set out this time to do an average level game, and trying to encounter 1st class soldiers I was basically grinding.

[FakePlasticTrees]

Yeah, i've just spent the last 15 minutes running around the science floor and all I've encountered are the weird pot things and those carroty looking things. :S

[Mister_Che]

Go down a few floors. I think you can find them on floor 59 or 60, whichever the "1st" floor is.

[RetiredAt21]

I need to finish ffVI. I got 10 hours into it and got stuck at the second train boss. :<

Second train boss? Where is that?

[FakePlasticTrees]

Go down a few floors. I think you can find them on floor 59 or 60, whichever the "1st" floor is.


I gave up on that. I'm in Clam Town now.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Second train boss? Where is that?

Let's see, I think it was in some tunnel. It is definitely not the train boss you fight during that part where your party is split into three groups and you briefly play as the moogle to select which party subplot you want to do.

[RetiredAt21]

Let's see, I think it was in some tunnel. It is definitely not the train boss you fight during that part where your party is split into three groups and you briefly play as the moogle to select which party subplot you want to do.

Oooooh, OK. I know what you're talking about now. The part in the Empire HQ right? With Cid? Yeah that boss is pretty hard.

[FatalEnergy]

VI was so epic.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Oooooh, OK. I know what you're talking about now. The part in the Empire HQ right? With Cid? Yeah that boss is pretty hard.

I didn't ahve any elixirs or potions or anything else either.

[RetiredAt21]

VI was so epic.

Definitely. It's easily my favorite FF game of them all.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

It really frustrates me I was forced to restart. I have a rom of it on my PC though so I WILL beat it someday. BTW how far is the train boss I described into the game?

[RetiredAt21]

It's been a loooooong time since I've played so I'm not exactly sure anymore.

[Anglachel]

You mean the roadwarrior like thing?

never lost to it

[12yearold]

daggers hp is 1337 OGMGGggggg LOL

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

You mean the roadwarrior like thing?

never lost to it

Man I lost to it a bunch of times. I really screwed myself though, I was underleveled, had no tools for Edgar (didn't know where to get them), and didn't have any items.

[RetiredAt21]

daggers hp is 1337 OGMGGggggg LOL

lol

[MAthiAS]

Totally off topic but I'm playing Super Mario World... does anyone remember if there's a difference between different colored Yoshi? I remember there being differences but I think I'm wrong.

[Mister_Che]

Green = Standard, comes with leather seats
Red = Spits enemies as fireballs, sport package available
Blue = Gains flight if it holds an enemy in, Manual transmission only
Yellow = Can do a magic stomp of sorts, in dash GPS system

[FatalEnergy]

Definitely. It's easily my favorite FF game of them all.

It's my number two for sure.


It's been a loooooong time since I've played so I'm not exactly sure anymore.


Same here. I should get an emulator and replay that ****. I made it all the way to Kefka at the end and never beat it. :(

[RetiredAt21]

I've never beaten Kefka either. After the world ends I get a little confused.

[FakePlasticTrees]

I have a love hate relationship with Tfia's limit break.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

I love it.

[fatbandit]

Its fun and cool, but not very good after other characters get multi-hit limits.

[RetiredAt21]

Its fun and cool, but not very good after other characters get multi-hit limits.

This.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

I like the omnislash best.

[Anglachel]

im listening to some of the Dissidia tracks off youtube and holypoopholypoopholypoop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zozMYivoPDo&feature=related

[fatbandit]

Neat.

Just listened to a couple more. The Clash on the Big Bridge is pretty neat, but the bass is too bassy and I don't like it (same can be said for all of these, it seems!). The drum fill at 33 seconds in is WEAK, haha. Digging The Decisive Battle though.

[Anglachel]

Yeah I feel the same about both Clash on the Big Bridge and Decisive Battle
Most of the FF4 tracks are awesome though, theyre probably the only versions done that were on par/superior to the originals

[MrConeman]

Wow, I don't think I had any idea of Dissidia's existence, that's awesome, and definitely a game I'll be adding to my PSP roster.

[FakePlasticTrees]

I've been rolling with Cloud, Tifa and XIII as my main party. Just got Tifa's level two limit break.


I forget alot of the story too, so it's been a nice plus to play the game again. :)

[freeliminator]

use yuffie

[RetiredAt21]

I've never really used Yuffie. Are any of her limits good?

[freeliminator]

yeah she has a couple multi hit limit breaks

[FakePlasticTrees]

I'd like to know that as well

[freeliminator]

Yuffie Level 1

Greased Lightning - Beginning Limit Break. Yuffie attacks a single opponent, inflicting great damage. A solid starting Limit.
Clear Tranquil - Unlocked after using Greased Lightning eight times. A blue barrier surrounds the party and restores a small portion of HP.

Level 2

Landscaper - Unlocked after defeating eighty enemies with Yuffie. Yuffie causes an earthquake beneath her enemies, greatly damaging all of them. Great against groups of enemies.
Bloodfest - Unlocked after using Landscaper seven times. Yuffie assaults her opponents with a barrage of 10 hits. Effective against groups of enemies or a single enemy.

Level 3

Gauntlet - Unlocked after defeating 160 enemies with Yuffie - Yuffie creates a blue vortex around her enemies, causing great damage to them all. Very useful against groups of opponents.
Doom of the Living - Unlocked after using Gauntlet six times. Similar to Bloodfest, Yuffie moves around and strikes her opponents numerous times. Stronger than Bloodfest.

Level 4

All Creation - Acquired when defeating Godo, Yuffie's father, at Wutai during Yuffie's side quest. Yuffie summons a destructive beam of light to crash down on her enemies. Devastating against a single enemy or groups of enemies.

[-Listy-]

i used her a bit on my last playthrough but never got all her limits, she's not actually that bad. i started a game tonight so will prob get them all this time.

[Happy]

I've only used her in Wutai :-/

[fatbandit]

Doom of the Living is much better than her level 4 break All Creation though. Especially against single targets. Red XIII's level 4 is the same deal.

Also, she has a long range weapon. Winner.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Yuffie is a really good character, so is Cid.

[Happy]

Cid rules. I love equipping him with the Mop.

[MrConeman]

I've used every character in one combonation or another in my playthroughs of VII, but I have never, ever used Cait Sith, other than when I've had to because it's part of the game, or the one time I 100% the game, and it was just grinding.

I think I might go for Barrett and Cid this time, testosterone++

[Happy]

Gonna man train it all the way to Northern Crater.

[RetiredAt21]

Barret is good, and Cid rules.

[MrConeman]

When I first completed the game though, I used Vincent and Yuffie, I think that was a mixture of the fact that they were secret characters, and ninjas, and people who wear big red cloaks are like totally cool.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Barrett sucks and so does vincent.

[Happy]

Barrett has high strength and HP. he is good.

[fatbandit]

Barret has the highest natural HP, and a good strength. Plus he is a back row fighter without the aid of a Long Range materia. His relatively poor offensive magic capabilities are offset by the facts that a) he's a 'tank' - why is he using magic? b) the stats of the characters actually vary very little in real game terms and c) by endgame, why are you using offensive magic? It is just a waste of MP when physical attacks are quicker, cheaper and more effective. A flaw in the game? Yes. A flaw in nearly every FF title? Yes.

[RetiredAt21]

Barrett sucks and so does vincent.

Vincent definitely sucks but how do you figure Barret sucks?

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Vincent definitely sucks but how do you figure Barret sucks?

There's just nothing that great about him, he doesn't do that much damage.

[fatbandit]

Then you're hooking him up with the wrong gear.

[Anglachel]

why do people turn locke into a mage

[Happy]

too much magic and summon materia

[Chrysostom]

A flaw in the game? Yes. A flaw in nearly every FF title? Yes.

Offensive magic becomes useless so quickly in FF games. It's only been effective in FFI and IX for my money. I've hardly used it in XII.

[Anglachel]

Offensive magic is useful in I and II because 9 enemies takes too long to cut down physically

but thats pretty much it

in I every boss goes down to haste+temper*∞ on your physical fighter
in II the only strategy ever is to powergrind until you ohko every boss

[Chrysostom]

in I every boss goes down to haste+temper*∞ on your physical fighter

I don't even do that. I just make sure I have a Monk in my team. Playing through at the moment, my Ninja is hitting in the 300 - 500 HP range, but my Master is smacking the snot out of everyone in the 1000 - 3000 HP range.

[Anglachel]

i never use monk
master is so worthless when you could have a knight, ninja or red wizard

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Then you're hooking him up with the wrong gear.

His ultimate weapon? That's what I'm using.

[FakePlasticTrees]

Two of my party members are loaded down with materia. :x

[Anglachel]

His ultimate weapon? That's what I'm using.
i think he means materia

[Chrysostom]

i never use monk
master is so worthless when you could have a knight, ninja or red wizard

Does not compute. the Monk consistently (for me) has had the highest HP, has been the hardest hitter and has had the highest defence. He's the perfect killing machine.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

i think he means materia

Oh well I stopped using him by the time I got good materia, I mean now all my characters are strong cause they're all at lvl 99.

[Anglachel]

Does not compute. the Monk consistently (for me) has had the highest HP, has been the hardest hitter and has had the highest defence. He's the perfect killing machine.
and always dies to Fire no matter the level :|

well ofc thats an exaggeration but its magic def is terrible it stops me from being lazy and just having my white wizard spam heal

[Chrysostom]

and always dies to Fire no matter the level :|

well ofc thats an exaggeration but its magic def is terrible it stops me from being lazy and just having my white wizard spam heal

Can't say I've ever had that happen to me. My Thief is the one who has died on me most.

[Anglachel]

my thief rarely dies

most of the time its my red mage with his heavy armour and low hp and i just expect him to survive one more hit and he doesnt

[RetiredAt21]

The monk rules wtf.

[Anglachel]

yes the monk is pro for tier 1 and early on

but when you upgrade its not

i did however use Ingus as a monk all through FF3
the only character who never changed classes

[fatbandit]

If you're using Barret's ultimate weapon and getting poor damage, then I'm assuming you don't understand VII's ultimate weapon damage multipliers?

[RetiredAt21]

I don't and I still use him.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

If you're using Barret's ultimate weapon and getting poor damage, then I'm assuming you don't understand VII's ultimate weapon damage multipliers?

He gets decent damage, it just seems like Cloud, Yuffie and Cid always did a lot more damage.

[fatbandit]

Cloud's ultimate weapon does more damage the higher Cloud's HP gauge is filled. Cid's is the same, with his MP gauge (incidentally, so is Red XIII's). Yuffie's ultimate weapon does damage based on the enemy's level.

Barret's one however, deals greater damage the more AP is on the materia he has on it. So stick a mastered Knights of the Round materia in it and go pwn some monsters.

He is infact so powerful that he can one hit KO Emerald Weapon with it.

[RetiredAt21]

What?

[fatbandit]

A glitch in the way FFVII calculates damage means that two characters can actually do enough damage to one hit KO Emerald Weapon in what is normally known as overflow damage - Barret and Vincent. However, Vincent needs to kill thousands upon thousands of enemies to achieve it. Barret just needs lots of AP.

[RetiredAt21]

Hm, I've never heard of that. Have you ever done it?

[FakePlasticTrees]

How do I get Vincent again?

[fatbandit]

Nope, but I could in my current game file, with Barret at least. I have 3 master KotR and 3 of everything else mastered, so it wouldn't be hard to do.

Just to show I'm not talking out of my anus, this should clear a lot up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At1-oFqawvc

[RetiredAt21]

Nope, but I could in my current game file, with Barret at least. I have 3 master KotR and 3 of everything else mastered, so it wouldn't be hard to do.

Just to show I'm talking out of my anus, this should clear a lot up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At1-oFqawvc

Wow, this is pretty crazy.

[FakePlasticTrees]

That is insane.

What the hell is Mega-All materia?

[RetiredAt21]

I was wondering that, too.

[fatbandit]

Mega-All applies the 'All' command to every materia that character has equipped. It doesn't affect everything, and it supercedes the Double Cut materia if you have that equipped by turning your Attack command to Slash-All.

[RetiredAt21]

Where do you get it?

[freeliminator]

How do I get Vincent again?

just find a walkthrough online ffs

[fatbandit]

Can't actually remember where you get mega-all. Is it chocobo races?

[Mister_Che]

How do I get Vincent again?

Go to the Shinra mansion in Nibelheim. There is a note in the first floor room on the left that gives you clues to unlocking the 4 digit combination to the safe in the second floor room. Note that these are out of order:

1. The box with "the most oxygen" in it is the chest in the greenhouse upstairs. Check the box a second time for the code.
2. The number "short of tea and ray" can be found behind the piano in the first floor.
3. Although you are given specific steps to take from the creak in the floor upstairs, you can mash confirm in the left hallway by the window until you find the number.
4. The last clue, similar to FFVIII, is actually hidden in the text bubble. It's the fourth invisible choice.

The numbers are random.

Once you unlock the safe you'll be tossed into a boss fight against Lost Number.

As you can see, he's an ugly bastard split into a purple and red side. If you're fast, you can crush him quickly and come away with little lost.

If you're slow, he'll eventually transform into either a full red or a full purple, enhancing his magic or physical attacks per the respective color. If he's red, his magic hurts bad, but he's a softie on physical attacks. Opposite if he's blue. Thankfully he's vulnerable to stop, so use that and Choco/Mog.

Once you beat him you'll get Cosmo Memory, an Odin materia, and the key to the basement. go down to the basement and talk to Vincent. Ask him for his name then leave. He'll join you afterwards.

[RetiredAt21]

Odin is so cool.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Cloud's ultimate weapon does more damage the higher Cloud's HP gauge is filled. Cid's is the same, with his MP gauge (incidentally, so is Red XIII's). Yuffie's ultimate weapon does damage based on the enemy's level.

Barret's one however, deals greater damage the more AP is on the materia he has on it. So stick a mastered Knights of the Round materia in it and go pwn some monsters.

He is infact so powerful that he can one hit KO Emerald Weapon with it.

The funny thing is I knew Cid, Clouds and Yuffie's but had no idea that was how Barrett's worked. although, i did originally beat the game with cloud barrett and red XIII.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Odin is so cool.

Yeah that's a kick *** summon. Sometimes it seems like he does two different summons. Is that true or is that just me?

[Mister_Che]

It's true. His normal summon is an insta-kill with a sword, but if you use him on a boss or something similar, he'll use the lance attack.

[RetiredAt21]

I like the lance attack more.

[Mister_Che]

It certainly looks cooler, but it's not as killy.

[Chrysostom]

Odin is so cool.

While Choco/Mog is not.

I love Odin in VIII - the way he gets sliced up by Seifer then replaced by Gilgamesh is awesome.

[freeliminator]

yeah somehow odin can take out red dragons but cant slice up some high school wimp

[Chrysostom]

yeah somehow odin can take out red dragons but cant slice up some high school wimp

Yeah I never got that either.

[RetiredAt21]

Can't actually remember where you get mega-all. Is it chocobo races?

Argh! Those ****ing chocobo races. I don't have the patience for that **** tbh.

[fatbandit]

Well off the top of my head, its either there or the Crater maybe?

But it isn't a great materia anyway in all honesty.

[RetiredAt21]

I just can't believe I didn't even know what it was, I'd never seen it before watching that video. I thought I knew almost everything about the game tbh.

[fatbandit]

I think I do know just about everything about this game :/ I wasted my youth on it XD

[RetiredAt21]

Yeah I've wasted a great deal of time on this game.

[FakePlasticTrees]

i forget most of the game, so its kinda like playing it new for me.

[fatbandit]

I'm like that with most FF games. Or I think I've forgotten a lot until I actually play it again, and then things come back to me. I just seem to be encyclopaedic about VII. I've only actally fully finished it something like twice though I think. But I have no end of pre-Northern Crater save files.

[Mister_Che]

I'm like that with most FF games. Or I think I've forgotten a lot until I actually play it again, and then things come back to me. I just seem to be encyclopaedic about VII. I've only actally fully finished it something like twice though I think. But I have no end of pre-Northern Crater save files.

I like this word.

[Happy]

yeah somehow odin can take out red dragons but cant slice up some high school wimp

Seifer is cool.

[Chrysostom]

He has the better looking gunblade, but other than that he's a jackass.

[FakePlasticTrees]

Man, Aeris is a weak ***'d pusscake.

[RetiredAt21]

I still used her quite a bit. Some of her limits are pretty good.

[FakePlasticTrees]

I never really used her enough to see her higher limits. What are they like?

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

My guess is some kind of healing limit break. I hate her and never used her either. I always spend most of the first disc waiting for her to die.

[-Listy-]

i only got upto her second limit break, I think it just paralyzes enemies for a while so I couldnt be bothered getting her other limits

[FakePlasticTrees]

Seal Evil is lame. Can't wait till Sephiroth shanks her in the back.

[fatbandit]

Seal Evil only really has its use for defeating Rapps in Wutai when you're supposed to, not when you can one hit KO him. Her later limits are actually great - especially Great Gospel. But in a normal game, not obtainable without going out of your way specially to do it.

I don't really use her. I didn't even before I knew what happens to her. But I feel I should for story purposes. The player should actually be bothered when Aeris croaks I think.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

The player should actually be bothered when Aeris croaks I think.

It's hard to care about her.

[Chrysostom]

It's hard to care about her.

Amen. Right from the start I was on Seph's side vis-a-vis offing Aeris.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Amen. Right from the start I was on Seph's side vis-a-vis offing Aeris.

Hate to say I was too, the game would have been even better if I cared she died.

[FakePlasticTrees]

So, what exactly is the great gospel?

[fatbandit]

Great Gospel is Aeris' level 4 limit break, and grants your party invincibility for a period of time.

[freeliminator]

yeah most of aeris limit breaks are so great because you can't use cure any time

[Chrysostom]

Hate to say I was too, the game would have been even better if I cared she died.

Yeah. You read all these things about people crying when it happened. i was concentrating on the awesome spectacle of Sephiroth swooping down to kick her ***. I didn't "feel" anything for her.

[-Listy-]

yeah that sequence was amazing

tbh i was probably more upset when Biggs, Wedge and Jessie died :lol:

actually in my new playthrough im at that train graveyard just before they die..dammit :( it would be cool if they were in the game a bit longer, like you travel with them a bit then they also get Sephiroth's sword to the back..

[freeliminator]

sephiroth would slide his bigg wedge into jessie

[Happy]

yeah that sequence was amazing

tbh i was probably more upset when Biggs, Wedge and Jessie died :lol:

actually in my new playthrough im at that train graveyard just before they die..dammit :( it would be cool if they were in the game a bit longer, like you travel with them a bit then they also get Sephiroth's sword to the back..
It'd be cool if they somehow survived like Blank in IX.

[freeliminator]

tetra master is retarded

[Chrysostom]

tbh i was probably more upset when Biggs, Wedge and Jessie died

Tell me about it. Although I shed no tears for Jessie - any dozy mare that gets her foot stuck and has to be rescued by the new guy deserves to die trying to save the Sector 7 plate.

[-Listy-]

well she did design good bombs as i recall..

oh yeah she sucked at fake i.d.s though so you're right she had to go

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Yeah. You read all these things about people crying when it happened. i was concentrating on the awesome spectacle of Sephiroth swooping down to kick her ***. I didn't "feel" anything for her.
Yeah, I was like "hell yeah, now I can get on to the better parts of the game."

[FakePlasticTrees]

You know whats awesome? Using two characters with their initial equipment during the Junon segment. Nothing is finer than Barret and Cait Sith dishing out 300 points of combined damage.

[RetiredAt21]

tetra master is retarded

I kinda like it tbh. :/

[IgniteYourAvail]

Tetra Master rules.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

You know whats awesome? Using two characters with their initial equipment during the Junon segment. Nothing is finer than Barret and Cait Sith dishing out 300 points of combined damage.
Why would you want that?

[RetiredAt21]

Tetra Master rules.

On my one playthrough I got almost all the cards except for a few.

[FakePlasticTrees]

Why would you want that?


Sarcasm. :p


I need stronger weapons for cloud, red and tifa.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump3]

Sarcasm. :p


I need stronger weapons for cloud, red and tifa.
that makes a lot more sense. I am not playing this game again for a while, all the way through I mean. I beat it twice in the last 6 months and did it 100% this last time.

[FakePlasticTrees]

I have no desire to get 100% completion in this game. Though, I wouldn't mind trying to defeat all the weapons because I don't think I did that before.

[RetiredAt21]

The weapons aren't that hard to beat once you know what you're doing and you're properly equipped.

[FakePlasticTrees]

Well, I know I'm not properly equipped. Ultimate Weapon just about whooped my arse. haha

[RetiredAt21]

But he's easy, lol. :/

[FakePlasticTrees]

Well, his Ultima attack KO'd Asian Girl and knocked 2/3rds health off of Cid and Red. Luckily, I had just accuired Cure 3.

[-Listy-]

ive probably played through VII about 10 times and it was only on my last playthrough that I bothered to get a gold chocobo and get all the materia and kill the weapons. they are pretty easy once you have the right setup but its still a great feeling when you finally beat them :lol:

[freeliminator]

being properly equipped is boring

[FakePlasticTrees]

So, what weapons and materia should I aim to get?

[Happy]

You know whats awesome? Using two characters with their initial equipment during the Junon segment. Nothing is finer than Barret and Cait Sith dishing out 300 points of combined damage.
I hate that part.

[johnwaynetakingadump]

So, what weapons and materia should I aim to get?

Knights of round, 4x cut, counter + mimic, final attack + phoenix

[freeliminator]

ya u need those 2 beat the game

[johnwaynetakingadump]

I meant to say: Hades + added effect (on weapon) counter + mime, double cut, enemy skill, hp+, quadra magic + knights of round

[freeliminator]

also morph

[johnwaynetakingadump]

also morph

on Yuffie, she is best at it for some reason. Those master tornberries are such a pain in the *** but then you use morph and look it's a ribbon!

[freeliminator]

ya u cant even beat sephiroth w/o morph, i tried it once and lost in like two minutes

[johnwaynetakingadump]

ya u cant even beat sephiroth w/o morph, i tried it once and lost in like two minutes

lol ya i did that too i kept trying to morph him and it just like didn't morph him.

[freeliminator]

no if u dont have morph u cant beat him moron

[RetiredAt21]

ur a ribbon

[johnwaynetakingadump]

yesterday I said to a girl that I would like to play final fantasy 7 while I was getting head and she said she thought that was normal and that she would do it if her boyfriend asked her. that made me laugh that she thought that was normal.

[RetiredAt21]

Is she a fat goth anime nerd by chance?

[johnwaynetakingadump]

Is she a fat goth anime nerd by chance?

surprisingly no, i guess she just has low self confidence because most girls i know said they would find that degrading.

[FakePlasticTrees]

What does Hades+Added Effect on a weapon do?

[johnwaynetakingadump]

What does Hades+Added Effect on a weapon do?

It makes the enemy have a chance of being given a status effect every time you attack the enemy. It's unbelievably useful. It gets ridiculous when you get that and have 4x cut at a really high level, then you start doing 9999 4x and putting a status effect on an enemy every time you just hit 'attack' because when you have 4x cut every slice is another chance to give an enemy a status.

[RetiredAt21]

When you get that strong the game isn't even fun anymore.

[johnwaynetakingadump]

I love to just kick everyone's ***.

[Anglachel]

you know what guys

knowing what you're doing sucks

[FakePlasticTrees]

Where do you get Hades from?

[johnwaynetakingadump]

Where do you get Hades from?

It's in the sunken Gelnika. I would wait until you get the submarine and then just search ff7 map. There are a lot of maps on google that will show you where to go to get to the sunken Gelnika, can't remember off the top of my head sorry. That place has ****ing strong monsters though, they whooped my *** when i first went to get Hades and the double cut from there. The key is to just get an item and then run back to the save point. If you go there below level 60 you'll get destroyed. I am going to play this game now, you got me into it.

[FakePlasticTrees]

Man, I am no where close to level 60right now. My best character is at level 46. :I