The Black Mage Village (Final Fantasy)

[doki]

medieval setting is much more meh imo. There should be a post apocalyptic ff game.

[rasputin]

i'm just a sucker for the old school approach, which is why i loved final fantasy IX so much more than any of the others

[Anglachel]

nonono FF should not do post apocalyptic

bad idea leave that to fallout and zombie games

[fatbandit]

I have a PAL copy but I lost it. Emulator is doing a grand job for me :) Just do yourself a favour and get a decent pad instead of using the keyboard!

[RetiredAt21]

I don't know if I could ever bring myself to play any of the FFs on an emulator.

[doki]

I play mine on psp. Played through chronno trigger, just need to beat the last zeal on black omen. Game is so amazing.

[RetiredAt21]

Yeah, Chrono Trigger is awesome, I just hate how Crono is a mute.

[Anglachel]

Actually, Crono has 2 lines in one of the endings

EDIT: Go beat Zeal on the black omen with Magus leading the party

the battle gets 3409571389457 times more epic that way

[Liberi Fatali]

Um what? Advanced weaponry/technology, rocket ships, etc. etc. It had a very futuristic/sci/fi feel to it.
We have rocket ships today.

As much as Esthar etc was an advanced nation technologically, look at Balamb, Timber, Deling City, Dollet, Fisherman's Horizon etc etc.

[Chrysostom]

There should be a post apocalyptic ff game.

Don't quote me on it, but I'm pretty sure FF vs. XIII is due to fit that particular bill.

[Anglachel]

Don't quote me on it, but I'm pretty sure FF vs. XIII is due to fit that particular bill.
oh god no

oh god nooooooooooooooooooooooo

[spitfirejunky]

Sure you don't mean 21st?

The style of the architecture and machinery look like they were frozen in the early days of jazz. Aside from Esthar I don't think there's a single car that looks like it's been built after the 1950s. Also, there's little to no aircraft (funny that they have jetpacks though) and everyone rides the train.

[Chrysostom]

I never though of it as being anything other than a not-too-distant-future world.

[rasputin]

It's a mixture of different times, but when I say 'futuristic' I mean it's lacking that fairytale/magic essence that a lot of rpgs have, and that there is a more mature feel, as well as architecture, technology and design being science fiction oriented (in regards to VIII).

[doki]

Does anyone know if enchanted arms any good?

[RetiredAt21]

Does anyone know if enchanted arms any good?

BO-ring.

[Anglachel]

Man why are the Chrystal Chronicles games so short :(

[Chrysostom]

252 hours...somebody shoot me...please!

[Mister_Che]

Go here:

http://letsplayarchive.com/

Look up FFVIII.

Lol at Zell.

[spitfirejunky]

That Pokemon GF joke never gets old. :)

Also, :lol: at Robin Williams photoshop of Cid.

[Happy]

FFVII has been released on the Japanese PSN store.

:eek:

[Jim]

bastards

how big is it? could be a hefty download considering it spanned 3 discs

[Mister_Che]

FFVII has been released on the Japanese PSN store.

:eek:

International version too, good for them. Although International FFVII means almost nothing to us, since that's the version we got when it was released here.

[Jim]

what were the differences in the japanese version?

[Mister_Che]

The American version was the same as the Japanese, except it added the Emerald and Ruby Weapon fights, added some item that you could steal from Diamond Weapon (which was really good if I remember right), and added the whole FMV where the Weapons emerged from the Northern Crater. That's all I remember, I'll see if I can dig up more.

[doki]

Go here:

http://letsplayarchive.com/

Look up FFVIII.

Lol at Zell.

hahaha so good
Rinoa "Hey. I'm up there."

[RetiredAt21]

The American version was the same as the Japanese, except it added the Emerald and Ruby Weapon fights, added some item that you could steal from Diamond Weapon (which was really good if I remember right), and added the whole FMV where the Weapons emerged from the Northern Crater. That's all I remember, I'll see if I can dig up more.

Yerp I'm pretty sure those were the only differences.

[Happy]

International version too, good for them. Although International FFVII means almost nothing to us, since that's the version we got when it was released here.

I'd like it released on our PSN network because then I wouldn't have to root around for the discs whenever I wanted to play it.

[Mister_Che]

I can agree with that. Of all the PS1 FFs, VII is the only one I don't have a copy of anymore.

[Chrysostom]

hahaha so good
Rinoa "Hey. I'm up there."

"Is that a Gunblade in your pocket or did I accidentally cast Petrify on your yoghurt slinger?" That nearly made me wet myself.

[Anglachel]

Kiros rulesss

[-Listy-]

anyone here still play ffxi? thinking bout getting it again.

[spitfirejunky]

I reactivated my oldass account a year ago and it was still the usual barren wasteland.

Such a shame since its battle system was fun as hell.

51/25 THF/NIN

[BenJammin]

Breeding chocobos in FFVII now... sigh. So tedious. I'm having a hell of a time catching the "Good" one from the Gold Saucer area.

[Anglachel]

I reactivated my oldass account a year ago and it was still the usual barren wasteland.

Such a shame since its battle system was fun as hell.

51/25 THF/NIN
I hear its filled with rascist japs and terrible translations

[Mister_Che]

I don't know about the racist japs (everyone I've encountered has been pretty cool), but the translation was fine.

[Anglachel]

Well maybe I'm just hearing something incredibly incorrect!

You know, looking at FF8 again, that part when Zell fights on his own to get weapons back just screams "Aylas using her fists to bust us outta the blackbird"

[fatbandit]

Ben - you sure you're not overdoing the Chocobo breeding? There's a guide if you look through the GameFAQs forums, which cut my gold chocobo breeding time to about a quarter of what it would have been. It has all the statistics and none of the misconceptions about it all :)

[Happy]

I wish I could play FF XI :(

[BenJammin]

Ben - you sure you're not overdoing the Chocobo breeding? There's a guide if you look through the GameFAQs forums, which cut my gold chocobo breeding time to about a quarter of what it would have been. It has all the statistics and none of the misconceptions about it all :)

Oh really? Could you hook me up with the specific one you were using? I have an old guide, but maybe this one is better?

My main issues are just in getting the right chocobos to appear (with the right enemies, etc.).

[fatbandit]

I'm going to have a look for you. The link's proving hard to find. The guy never put it in a guide to submit to GameFAQs and the GameFAQs boards suck.

[fatbandit]

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/file/197341/45703

Turns out its in Absolute Steve's guide. But it isn't as detailed as the one I used. Everything's there though.

[BenJammin]

Thanks, but in the time it took you to find that, I've got my gold chocobo. :p But thanks. <3

[fatbandit]

I hate you Ben :(

[RetiredAt21]

Breeding chocobos in FFVII now... sigh. So tedious. I'm having a hell of a time catching the "Good" one from the Gold Saucer area.

I hated doing that.

[BenJammin]

Yeah, it was pretty tedious. Now I'm grinding to get my materia mastered and whatnot so I can go beat up Emerald and Ruby Weapon.

Party's at level 90...

[fatbandit]

Makes me feel like continuing my save... Trying to get 3 copies of the optimum materia combinations so all my characters can be gods basically. No idea why... the game is too easy, and having all these mastered materia will only make it easier! I'm two thirds of the way there materia-wise, and all characters are level 99. Knights of the Round needs too much AP to master it :(

[BenJammin]

I stuck KotR on Cid's Scimitar, at x3 AP, so it's not *too* bad. Still tedious, though.

[fingers mccoy]

final fantasy xiii demo footage, about 40 mins worth

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_10536_en.html
http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_10537_en.html
http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_10548_en.html
http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_10549_en.html

you're welcome

interesting to note is Snow's apparent ice-elemental affinity. I can't read any of the japanese so I don't really know how the magic system works but it seems that characters will be less customisable and more role-defined when it comes to battle skillsets, which I think is a wise decision given that homogeneity is a popular critical accusation among fans of the series.

No evidence of limit breaks and it seems that scaling of attack volatility and priority is emphasized by respective ATB consumption which is an important step for the series because it encourages a more immediate need to properly balance risk and reward for entry-level players, which will hopefully mean a better-maintained difficulty curve. It also probably means you're less of a slave to randomisation, which would be nice.

I'm not sure about the ranking windows that come up at the end of every battle. Sure, stylish kills and aggressive dominance should be rewarded but couldnt this be done more elegantly and relevantly with some kind of chain system or other cumulative reward counter? This kind of game-monitored strophism risks killing immersion, which is something I think the rest of the game looks to handle rather brilliantly.

I was very excited by the cautious poses player characters adopt as they move in towards a new enemy group because it suggests that in more open environments forced encounters could be all but eradicated, and it'd be great if grinding wasn't the narrative fact it necessarily has been in all the final fantasy games, dungeon sections and the like.

I'm curious about the level of party management you're granted - the gambit system in xii was elegant and robust and I personally wouldn't be able to come up with a better way to influence the decisions of increasingly intelligent characters within player-defined parameters. The demo basically rendered party strategy as 'you hang back and make sure i don't die whilst I try and keep the badguys occupied', which is great but it doesn't really feel like final fantasy if the whole system is gonna be that limited, particularly if elemental exploits or other enemy weaknesses become a party consideration later in the game.

Lastly, the game looks absolutely stunning. Facial detail is delicately handled and a real sense of vibrancy comes from the visible flesh of all the characters including NPCs. The backgrounds are, naturally enough for a final fantasy game, massively ambitious and completely successful, the colour palette and fauna of Cocoon eerily reminiscent of the mako-rich futurism in ffvii but with a vast metropolitan network of airspace, train tracks and road strips echoing Esthar (ffviii) and zanarkand (ffx). Textures are frequently exquisite (the cardigan that the girl who saves Snow at the end of the second section is wearing particularly impressed me) and the brilliant dynamic lighting gives a very cinematic feel.

[spitfirejunky]

My friend was raving about it a couple of days ago. I still have my doubts. =(

[Jim]

but it seems that characters will be less customisable and more role-defined when it comes to battle skillsets
like this

[Happy]

Less customisable is better nowadays.

[fingers mccoy]

yeh that's the impression i got from this thread and mates of mine

[spitfirejunky]

That kind of specialization usually translates to characters just being useless, i.e. having limit breaks and abilities inferior enough that they're simply not worth using at all.

On the other hand if characters are balanced well I can dig it.

[fatbandit]

FFIV does it well by not really giving you a choice who you use at any stage in the game. And those characters do all need each other. Its well balanced. But Edge is rubbish, isn't he? Hah.

[Chrysostom]

you're welcome.

You write some of the most well-crafted English of anyone on the forums.

[fingers mccoy]

nice one cheers

i know that sounds awkward but i genuinely appreciate it

[spitfirejunky]

Also well thought out.

[Anglachel]

FFIV does it well by not really giving you a choice who you use at any stage in the game. And those characters do all need each other. Its well balanced. But Edge is rubbish, isn't he? Hah.
Edge is just "Oh sup im here because uh, you know how most FFs start having a character that uses steal? Well we sorta forgot sorry hes a lot late"

[IgniteYourAvail]

I'm thinking of starting a new game of FFT. Game is so good.

[doki]

XIII better have awesome limit breaks
what the hell is quickening

[IgniteYourAvail]

Another word for Limit Break

[doki]

I dont understand the damage system on that

[BenJammin]

Whooped both Emerald and Ruby Weapons tonight. :cool:

Found Ruby a lot more of a challenge (well, having to come up with a strategy) than Emerald, who I just spammed KotR on.

[IgniteYourAvail]

Whooped both Emerald and Ruby Weapons tonight. :cool:

Found Ruby a lot more of a challenge (well, having to come up with a strategy) than Emerald, who I just spammed KotR on.

Did you use the "Kill two of your party members before the fight" method on ruby?

[Anglachel]

Since this is also the JRPG thread I dont feel bad asking

Whos got a Bahamut Lagoon translation that doesnt suck? I wanna play it again, and really understand whats happening.

[RetiredAt21]

I'm thinking of starting a new game of FFT. Game is so good.

Game is too ****ing hard. :[

[MAthiAS]

I'm thinking of starting a new game of FFT. Game is so good.
It really is, I've gone through it upwards of 10 times. I think I will again this summer too... anyone have any challenge ideas that are fun for that game?

[FatalEnergy]

Yeah, I never beat it.

I want to go back and replay FF IV.

[Chrysostom]

So I've played all of 15 minutes of FFII and I already hate it. As soon as the game let me I looked at the stats screen and was like 'WTF. The levelling system in this game sucks', so I think I'll skip the idea of playing the games in order and go straight on to IV.

[Anglachel]

I got 1 on psp for $20

[MAthiAS]

Anyone here have any experience with epsxe?

[fatbandit]

That's what I'm using right now, and I'm having no problems with it for FFIX at all, except that my computer can't handle some of the graphics properly. Also, don't rely on savestates. It effs the game up sometimes if you don't load from proper save files.

[MrConeman]

epsxe rules. It's a little hard to configure at the beginning if you get all the right plugins its easy enough, you'll figure it out.

And yeah, don't use save states unless you realise you've played FFVIII until 4 in the morning and you're working at 9, and aren't near a save point.

[spitfirejunky]

After reading MAthiAS' post I did some google'ing and downloaded it along with that monstrous FFVII, FFVIII and FFIX bundle.

Works well though some specific animations behave strangely. I guess I have to toy around with the graphics plugin until it works perfectly.

[fatbandit]

The only thing I've had problems with graphics-wise is when entering battles in FFIX, I don't get that cool swirly effect, it just kind of half arses it. Doesn't really affect anything though.

I'll be downloading Metal Gear Solid and Vagrant Story though once I've finished my current IX playthrough :)

[fingers mccoy]

i'd recommend pSX over epsxe

[MAthiAS]

After reading MAthiAS' post I did some google'ing and downloaded it along with that monstrous FFVII, FFVIII and FFIX bundle.

Works well though some specific animations behave strangely. I guess I have to toy around with the graphics plugin until it works perfectly.
I think I downloaded the same thing; haven't gotten it working yet. When I tried it just messed up my resolution and got stuck on some screen with a controller in the corner.

Next question, what PS2 RPGs are worthwhile? Grandia III? Star Ocean: Til the End of Time? I hated DQ8, looking for some new games.

[fingers mccoy]

heard quite good things about shadow hearts

[MrConeman]

Weird, I was just going to say Shadow Hearts. It's awesome.

[MrConeman]

FINALLY!

I've been searching at least once a week on youtube since I noticed that wiki said the Mages were filming a new live concert with the new material.

http://www.youtube.com/user/rinimtribal

I've watched one or two, I can tell you that they have vastly improved live, I used to find them - especially the guitarists - sloppy. They've gotten better.

[spitfirejunky]

Neo Exdeath solos were spot on. Good ****.

[fatbandit]

Like.

But I thought the solos over Bombing Mission ruined it to be honest.

[MrConeman]

The recorded version of Bombing mission isn't good either to be fair though, they could have done that song much better.

I think the only thing they messed up on that gig was changing the solo to The Extreme, the recorded version *smokes*.

[fatbandit]

I heard a duff note in one of the tracks, if we're going to be picky, but its not like I never play bum notes ;p The second solo in Neo ExDeath is great though.

[Mister_Che]

FFVII has been rated by the ESRB. Possible release on PSN soon.

[Jim]

there goes a month of my life

[Liberi Fatali]

FFVII has been rated by the ESRB. Possible release on PSN soon.
This is for US playstation network, has already been released on Japanese PSN, but no word on poor old Europe yet.

[Mister_Che]

I kinda thought that was implied since ESRB applies to North America. :)

[spitfirejunky]

I think I downloaded the same thing; haven't gotten it working yet. When I tried it just messed up my resolution and got stuck on some screen with a controller in the corner.

You have to configure the **** out of the GPU plugin. You can start by switching to windowed mode and fixing things from there.

Also, it might be useful to just install ePSXe from scratch and not use the one included in the bundle.

[Happy]

This live BM rules.

FFVII, hurry the **** up and come out on the European PSN!

[Liberi Fatali]

I kinda thought that was implied since ESRB applies to North America. :)
Ok... Was just clarifying to Europeans and Australasia that at this stage it doesn't appear as though we're getting it anytime soon.


But f*ck waiting, I'll probably just get it through my US account anyway even though the exchange rate makes it damn expensive atm for me. Should still work out cheaper than buying a second hand or new physical copy.

[Happy]

Yeah, the main reason I want it is so that I don't have to dig out my old game.

[Mister_Che]

I have 5 through 12 with the exception of 7. I was about to buy it before I heard this news.

[Happy]

I wonder how much it will be?

[Mister_Che]

It's being released today on PSN!

[Mister_Che]

Final Fantasy XIV

PS3 Exclusive

Coming 2010

omg

[Mister_Che]

Online only

lol

[Happy]

Didn't they learn from XI?

[Mister_Che]

It's still a good source of money and will likely continue to be.

[Chrysostom]

Where did you learn that Che?

[Brew]

Gamespot have/had a live blog of the Sony conference.

Makes me wonder if they'll continue to support XI once XIV lands or just support XIV.

[Mister_Che]

Where did you learn that Che?

FFXIV? Sonys E3 conference.

[Mister_Che]

http://i39.tinypic.com/256a93p.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/eupizq.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/23lzii9.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/2r26fs6.jpg

[Chrysostom]

III, XI, and XIV...three games I'll never play...

I hate MMORPGs so much.

[fingers mccoy]

i have never played an mmorpg once in my life

might get xiv if it doesn't cost extra

[Mister_Che]

It probably will.

[spitfirejunky]

If they don't release FFXIV for the PC they'll be making a huge mistake.

[Mister_Che]

FFVII getting a PAL release on PSN this thursday.

[Brew]

If they don't release FFXIV for the PC they'll be making a huge mistake.

Its coming out on PC and is console-exclusive to the PS3.

[Anglachel]

III, XI, and XIV...three games I'll never play...

I hate MMORPGs so much.
Uhhh, 3 isnt a MMO...

[Happy]

FFVII getting a PAL release on PSN this thursday.

is that Europe, if so I am very, very happy.

[Brew]

PAL is Europe yes.

[Mr. Ron]

new FF looks terrible imo

[Brew]

XIII or XIV?

[Mr. Ron]

13. They've beaten the hell out of the futuristic aspect I think. Plus the combat system looks....idk.

[IgniteYourAvail]

13 looks ****ing amazing. I'm so stoked to play it.

[RetiredAt22]

13. They've beaten the hell out of the futuristic aspect I think. Plus the combat system looks....idk.

This.

[Happy]

PAL is Europe yes.

F[szie=2]U[/size]CKING YES

I will be buying this the second it comes out.

Providing its no more than £9

[Mister_Che]

It was $10 when I bought it. At that price, why not?

[Happy]

lol I messed up the size tags.

No sign of it yet :(

[spitfirejunky]

Its coming out on PC and is console-exclusive to the PS3.

Thank God. I'll be making preparations for this new time sink.

[Happy]

Downloading VII right now :D

[Brew]

I may have to plug my PS1 in soon and start another game of VII.

[Mister_Che]

I say we all play FFVII together. We agree ahead of time where to stop before posting updates, etc.

[Happy]

I've just started it. However I do have 2 A-level exams so might not get that far.

Update 1: HOLY CRAP I'VE FINISHED THE INTRO MOVIE!

[Chrysostom]

Uhhh, 3 isnt a MMO...

Oh I know.

[Happy]

I love III, a friend borrowed it a while ago and hasn't given it back :(

[Brew]

I enjoyed III. Though the final dungeon was a real pain.

[Anglachel]

The final dungeon was the most epic thing ever

Seriously if all the 1&2 remakes didnt let me save ANYWHERES theyd be just as epic

its that "ive worked up to here and im so close and theres no turning back and theres no ****ing way im gonna quit" thing

[Happy]

Oh yeah, I dislike most games that don't have autosave but FF really needs save points sometimes, it makes parts of the game much more important.

[Mister_Che]

Playing through FFVII again. I had to look online because I forgot where I could find a Hardedge before you leave Midgar. How embarrassing. :(

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

I just beat FFVII recently. I beat Emerald, Ruby Weapon and Sephiroth with only Cloud. I also beat Sephiroth using only Cloud using the Buster Sword.

[fatbandit]

I tried a solo character, no materia, initial equip game of FFVII, but I got stuck at Carry Armor. Didn't have Omnislash, and I think that might have been the clincher. It was fun though - makes you appreciate the items you win from battles that you never use, or things you never normally buy in shops as viable forms of beating enemies. Forces you to think outside the box. There aren't enough places in FF games where you need to do that normally. Pity the strategies forced upon you are completely unworthy of being used in a regular game.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

I haven't tried that yet. I just beat the game normally and then did the solo character stuff for the extra challenge. This was my first time beating Ruby and Emerald Weapon.

[-Listy-]

i want to start a new game of VII but i know i'll get bored since i know exactly what to do and how to beat the bosses etc so im trying to wait as long as possible..which probably sounds dumb.

might play VIII cause it's been a while, then ill go back to VII.

[Chrysostom]

You crazy people and you're self-imposed challenges.

[Happy]

I am just past Kalm :)

[fatbandit]

i want to start a new game of VII but i know i'll get bored since i know exactly what to do and how to beat the bosses etc so im trying to wait as long as possible..which probably sounds dumb.

might play VIII cause it's been a while, then ill go back to VII.

That's exactly why I did the SCIENM game, because I know the game like the back of my hand and it isn't a challenge otherwise.

I currently have a (pretty much) abandoned game of VII on the go where I'm doing a perfect game. Not in the 'perfect inventory' way, but perfect characters with max stats and a full set of the 'ultimate' materia each. But they're all level 99, I'm just finishing up getting my third set of master materia, and it is a grinding chore. Not enjoying it, which is why I stopped.

[RetiredAt21]

So how long has it taken you to do all of that?

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

So how long has it taken you to do all of that?

It took me 60 hours to get Cloud to level 99 and to master almost all the materia, get the master magic/summon/command and beat ruby, emerald weapon and sephiroth.

[RetiredAt21]

Jeez.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

You think 60 hours is a lot for an RPG?

[RetiredAt21]

Not for all but for FFVII, yeah that seems pretty long.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

How long did it take you to complete the game?

[RetiredAt21]

Pretty sure it was around 30-35 hours.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Did you master any of your materia or beat the weapons or get to level 99 or get knights of the round? I don't mean just beat sephiroth, i mean complete the game.

[RetiredAt21]

I didn't master any materia, I beat Ruby and Emerald, and killed Sephiroth (duh).

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Did you get the golden chocobo and knights of the round?

[RetiredAt21]

Only by beating Ruby and Emerald.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Oh that explains it then, I spent a lot of the time racing chocobos and getting cloud up to lvl 99.

[Happy]

First time I did the game it took me 60 hours.

I just like pissing around though, I didn't fight Emerald or Ruby

[fatbandit]

I can't remember how many hours I'm on with the game I mentioned, but I don't think it is much past 70? I know what I'm doing with this game :/

[Brew]

I had a friend who refused to kill Sephiroth so had his game clocked at over 100 hours.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

First time I did the game it took me 60 hours.

I just like pissing around though, I didn't fight Emerald or Ruby

It took me 60 hours the first time to level like 66 or something. This last time i spoke of before was my second play through.

[fingers mccoy]

**** you lamers putting that much effort into vii and not doing the ix speedrun

[RetiredAt21]

Speed runs are lame imo.

[fingers mccoy]

much

much

much

less lame than grinding

but yeh

[fatbandit]

I wouldn't be able to resist using save states to pwn my way through a speed run to be honest.

[fatbandit]

Was grinding in my FFIX game at the moment, but decided to just go and finish the game. Not going to go for Ozma. I'm fine at level 55ish. Just in Memoria now.

The music in Memoria is very reminiscent of FFVIII for me. Anyone else? :/

And how badass is the music in the trance kuja fight? I am way overlevelled for this game, and auto-regen is raping the bosses :/ They could do with about 3-4 times as much HP.

[MrConeman]

I had a friend who refused to kill Sephiroth so had his game clocked at over 100 hours.

You can only go to 99 hours and 59 seconds. I know because I've done it.

[Brew]

You can only go to 99 hours and 59 seconds. I know because I've done it.

ahh righty, I couldn't quite remember if it clocked over 100 or just refused to go any higher than 99 hours 59 seconds.

[doki]

And how badass is the music in the trance kuja fight? I am way overlevelled for this game, and auto-regen is raping the bosses :/ They could do with about 3-4 times as much HP.

I remember the first time i fight him, he throws me holy lv? vivi returned magic and doubles the damage and then I lol'd

[Happy]

Just got Yuffie and am in Junon in VII. Cloud's only level 20 atm, I'm probably gonna be pwned pretty hard by Jenova.

On the plus side, he has Blade Beam now :)

[fatbandit]

Isn't level 20 fine for that point? I remember level 25 being where I usually am around Cosmo Canyon/Gi Cave time.

[Happy]

Dunno, its been too long :-/

I can always do some more levelling in that bit where an infinite amount of soldiers attack you in Junon.

[fatbandit]

To be honest, if you need to level in VII at all, you suck at the game. IMO, fighting all random encounters and doing NO grinding at all leaves you overlevelled for a balanced end of game final boss.

[Happy]

It is pretty easy yeah, but I like being able to dispatch bosses quickly.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

Am playing chrono trigger now. crono just got disintegrated by lavos, need to get my weapons and equiptment back.

[RetiredAt21]

Chrono Trigger is such a great game.

[fatbandit]

Bosses are the unique fights - you should savour them and have to actually use the strategies you're supposed to, not just one hit KO them. IMO of course.

That's actually something I don't like about a lot of FFs - you do all the hard work finishing up the sidequests, beating optional bosses and all that. And by the time you've completed that, you're just WAY too powerful for the last few hours of the game.

[fingers mccoy]

that's a valid criticism yeh

they're tweaked for beginners so that you have to actually know the game intimately to make it a challenge

[fatbandit]

I mean don't get me wrong, I don't like games that are TOO much of a challenge :p

I just find that mashing 'attack' is more effective than anything else in most FF games after about halfway through.

IX removed some of that, but you could still have a perectly valid team of four tanks. IV was good at removing that as well I thought.


Finished IX last night anyway. Still trying to make sense (again) of some of it.

[Chrysostom]

that's a valid criticism yeh

Not really. If you want fair fights then level up accordingly. You can't make yourself powerful enough to despatch optional bosses and then moan that you're too strong for the end of game fella. Just don't make yourself "optional boss powerful". It's not the game's fault that you consider you ruined it for yourself - they're optional bosses for a reason.

[fingers mccoy]

i still think it's valid from a narrative perspective really

players who want to do all optional stuff as soon as it's possible aren't really catered for so explorative play is punished with a broken sense of narrative pacing

star ocean had a 'limiter' on its final boss that you could remove by doing some hard optional stuff which i think is a good solution

[Chrysostom]

i still think it's valid from a narrative perspective really

players who want to do all optional stuff as soon as it's possible aren't really catered for so explorative play is punished with a broken sense of narrative pacing

You'll hear no argument from me on that score. Broken narrative is something I am currently experiencing with my first playthrough of XII. What I'm arguing against is those, like fatbandit, who moan about easy final bosses when they brought it on themselves by levelling up enough to be able to tackle the deliberately tougher optionals.

[fatbandit]

To be fair, i think most final bosses are easy regardless of overlevelling. Not all, but most.

And I'm well aware of the fact that the final boss will be easy while I'm doing all that grinding to get my characters good enough to destroy the optionals. Its just a sad little realisation that you can't do optional stuff AND enjoy the endgame to the fullest while you're in 'grind mode'.

What if you were playing through VII for the first time and really wanted to beat that big green thing underwater, so you go all out to get some intense characters, then breeze the crater without knowing how much easier it is to defeat the final boss than it is to defeat emerald weapon?

I'd rather that if you choose to go for the super hard optionals, the final boss becomes harder to compensate. Almost like the way VIII deals with enemy levels vs your level. But not quite.

[Happy]

Man, VIII's boss was hard.

[fatbandit]

Zeromus wasn't easy. Ultimecia wasn't easy. Aside from that, the ones I've played have had disappointing last bosses :(

[Anglachel]

Fighting Chaos before the dungeons put in FF1 remakes wasnt easy
Emperor isnt easy (no FF2 battle is without major grinding)
Cloud of Darkness isnt easy, regardless of the amount of fighting you go through ahead of her
Zeromus needs like a level 70 party
Ultimecia is never easy
Jecht constantly raped me but i just think i was underlevelled

[fatbandit]

I haven't played 1-3.

My party in 4 is all around level 70 anyway at the last dungeon. I haven't done any extra grinding. I don't like grinding in IV, it is terribly dull.

[Anglachel]

lololol you're gonna hate getting onion equips

[fatbandit]

Yeah, I decided against going for tails and onion stuff ;p There was just a certain amount I wasn't willing to put myself through :D

More games to play! Life is too short now I have a job and not as much spare time to play games to death :/ Metal Gear Solid is where its at right now. After that, Vagrant Story will get a real good seeing to I think.

[Anglachel]

I started a whole bunch of games over and got halfway through then pirated a bunch of ds games i havent started because i want to finish the games i restarted first :|

playing FF1 PSP right now

[MAthiAS]

God how good was the final dungeon in VIII.

[Mister_Che]

So good.

[Happy]

Ultimecia's castle was ace. I wish you could still visit places on disc 4 though.

[bringonthebreakdown]

been playing through ff's recently, beat 1 and 2 on 3 right now. i'm also replaying through 10. i'm at the very end of the game in 10 and i'm going through side quests. the omega ruins is a pain because if you aren't on your toes at all times you can die at any point =/

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

You should have your party up to the 90's when fighting the final boss and your main character should be at level 99. There is a reason you can level up that high.

[Chrysostom]

Heh heh heh, found out to today that there was supposed to be some serious (implied) sexin' towards the end of VII. Remember the point where Cloud sends the party away to find their various reasons for coming along to the final showdown, and he and Tifa stay together at the airship because they have nowhere else to go? Well, the original version of their time together wasn't the cosy little chat about their feelings that we get in the finished version of the game, but rather there was a scene where Cloud emerges from the chocobo stables on-board the airship, followed shortly after by Tifa, who is said to look around sheepishly. It was apparently considered too extreme, but I wish they'd kept it in - it would have been hilarious to have some implied pixellated lovin'.

[fatbandit]

Well she still says something along the lines of 'Y..you were watching?' and looks embarrassed, in reference to that night at some point in the game. That's implication enough for me ^_^

[Chrysostom]

When does she say that? I don't remember any such line.

In fact, while we're on the subject, is Cloud in any way into her, or is he pro-Aeris? I don't detect any feelings for Tiffs in either VII or Advent, but she's clearly smitten.

[Happy]

I think Cloud does like her but doesn't act on it because then nerds around the world would be alienated.

[Chrysostom]

Tifa is the focus of Case of Tifa in On the Way to a Smile, examining her life after the events of the game. At one point in the novella she asks a sleeping Cloud if he loves her to which he awakens with a perplexed expression on his face. She quickly changes her question to ask Cloud if he loves Marlene. He answers to the affirmative, but that he doesn't know how to approach her sometimes. Tifa asks if the same could be said of her, and Cloud's reaction indicates that this is so.

Guess that answers that then.

[-Listy-]

When does she say that? I don't remember any such line.

In fact, while we're on the subject, is Cloud in any way into her, or is he pro-Aeris? I don't detect any feelings for Tiffs in either VII or Advent, but she's clearly smitten.

after everyone gets off the airship and cloud and tifa spend the night outside

/nerd

also i decided to start a new game of VII tonight.

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

I always thought it was implied that cloud ****ed tifa still...

[lukeskywalkertakingadump]

When does she say that? I don't remember any such line.

In fact, while we're on the subject, is Cloud in any way into her, or is he pro-Aeris? I don't detect any feelings for Tiffs in either VII or Advent, but she's clearly smitten.

Cloud llikes Tifa. When he is in the lifestream with Tifa he tells her about how he always wanted to hang out with her as kids and talks about "tender feelings no one could ever know." He also goes on that date with Tifa before he joins Shin-ra. Cloud is in love with Tifa.

[Anglachel]

I just spent an hour trying to find a Sand Worm in FF1 to complete my bestiary. I find ONE, I'm ambushed, and you know what the **** it does? It runs away. I didn't get its entry in the bestiary.


EDIT: JESUS **** IT JUST HAPPENED AGAIN

[RetiredAt21]

Hahahaha sucks, bro. I hate when that kind of BS happens.

[Mister_Che]

I'm up to Cosmo Canyon. I remember I used to hate this part because the boss in the cavern was such a pain for me when I first played it. Every time after that, I always kept an elixir handy so I could end the fight in one turn.

[Mister_Che]

Oh, and the ESRB has rated Final Fantasy Tactics for PSN.

[Anglachel]

Waaaaaah I didnt realize saving game clear data on FF1 meant having to start over again :(

I have to play through it again to get the new dungeon
Since I enjoy FF1 I definitely will but I'm going to finish all the other **** i started again first


I also finally got that sand worm, i just went to a different desert and they seemed to pop up way more often

[Happy]

I'm up to Cosmo Canyon. I remember I used to hate this part because the boss in the cavern was such a pain for me when I first played it. Every time after that, I always kept an elixir handy so I could end the fight in one turn.

You're ahead of me. I'm just before Gongaga. Trying to raise 30,000 gil so I can buy a Golden Saucer pass already.

[MAthiAS]

Does anyone else feel like Tactics could make a great multiplayer/online game? With some balancing I think it would be awesome to play against live opponents. Also a map editor would be godly for that game.

All this talk about FFVII is awesome by the way. I always forget just how awesome the story is until I replay the game.

[Mister_Che]

You're ahead of me. I'm just before Gongaga. Trying to raise 30,000 gil so I can buy a Golden Saucer pass already.

lol, I saw you were ahead of me earlier and I told myself I needed to catch up.

Probably won't play much this week, I'm moving into a new apartment.

Does anyone else feel like Tactics could make a great multiplayer/online game? With some balancing I think it would be awesome to play against live opponents. Also a map editor would be godly for that game.

Isn't there a PSP Tactics that has multiplayer?

[Jamais_Vu]

My friends are a bunch of douche's for hating on FFVII and FFVIII. They both have fantastic stories and characters to them.

[MrConeman]

VII and VIII rule...mostly just posting to say that Vae Victus and your avatar are great :thumb:

[RetiredAt21]

VII owns VIII imo.

[Anglachel]

VIII doesnt have great characters

except Quistis

'cause shes hawt >.>


there is a PSP Tactics ive been meaning to get it but the bloody price hasnt gone down and i never have 50 dollars on me and usually end up spending what i do have on something else :|

[Jamais_Vu]

VII and VIII rule...mostly just posting to say that Vae Victus and your avatar are great :thumb:

lol, thanks.

[easylee]

irvine sucks i show my appreciation of his homo cowboy ways often

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6574/33661870.png

[Liberi Fatali]

Haha nice, yeah my levelling was much the same with Irvine.

I don't see how some people on here can like him as a character.

[IgniteYourAvail]

God I hate Irvine. He was the first iteration of a "douchebag" I ever encountered.

[easylee]

he has one good limit break but other than he's completely worthless

well not really but you get him too far into the game for me to really care about leveling him up or putting up with a fruity cowboy shooting geezards

[Liberi Fatali]

Still, it annoyed me having to buy ammo to use his limit break.

[Happy]

Its funny because in VIII I just had one main party with levels at around 80-90 and the other three characters at 17/18.

I was ****ed come Ultimecia's castle.

[easylee]

yeah srsly

the males in the final fantasy games are starting to look more and more like abercrombie models or something. only good one since 8 has been auron

Its funny because in VIII I just had one main party with levels at around 80-90 and the other three characters at 17/18.

I was ****ed come Ultimecia's castle.

lol

i've only gotten that far in the game once had tons of hours and then someone erased it from the memory card

i beat ultimecia with 1 hp left with selphie alone it was epic

[Happy]

I dunno you can't really say Steiner, Amarant and Vivi looked like models.

[Liberi Fatali]

Its funny because in VIII I just had one main party with levels at around 80-90 and the other three characters at 17/18.

I was ****ed come Ultimecia's castle.
Yeah same, luckily I had a fairly hefty stock of magic so could boost up the un-leveled characters through junctioning.

[easylee]

I dunno you can't really say Steiner, Amarant and Vivi looked like models.

IX doesn't count since theyre supposed to resemble the older character style or w/e

[Liberi Fatali]

Basch was alright in XII. Kind of like Auron-lite.

[Happy]

That's what made it so cool.

[easylee]

havent played XII yet probably never will

basch looks ok but this type of **** is just ugh

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z172/mulmulmul/Final%20fantasy%20XII%20Blog/vaan_Final_Fantasy_XII_2.jpg


why would i want to play as a furry

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/5679/ff12franuz0.jpg

[Happy]

Vaan, Penelo and Ashe were annoying as hell but the others were really cool.

[easylee]

next ff should be a bunch of fat bearded dudes and some slut in cutoff jeans with her boyfriends motley crue shirt on

[Jim]

manliest ff character right here

http://www.ffcompendium.com/art/7-barret-c.jpg


he has a ****ing gun on his arm

[Happy]

He has massive feet.

[doki]

fran and balthier are awesome

[Jim]

He has massive feet.


even manlier

come to think of it, the cid characters are usually the most consistently manly

[Happy]

The Cids in VIII and X weren't

[Jim]

idk the X one wasnt bad. i mean at least he didn't have gay hair (or any really)

[MrConeman]

Wasn't the Cid in X like an ultra manly pilot that shouted yeehaaw and stuff?

(I played it twice, both times years ago, so forgive me if I'm off...)

But yeah, Barett is the most manly character, hands down.

[Happy]

He shouted everything.

What was funny about X is that if you had Al Bhed fully translated on one file and started another, you had it all translated from the beginning.

[fingers mccoy]

the cid in ix invented steam power

****ing pro

[Brew]

the cid in IX got pwned by his wife.

[fingers mccoy]

**** you the cid in ix could take his wife any day

[Happy]

If he attacked her he would have turned her into a frog too, I don't know why he didn't.

[Brew]

being turned into an oglop by your wife is pretty serious pwnage.

[Happy]

he shouldn't have boned Kuja.

[Jim]

being turned into an oglop by your wife is pretty serious pwnage.

the guy was whipped

even named a ship after the hussy. 2 ships actually. or was it 3 i can't remember

[Chrysostom]

God I hate Irvine. He was the first iteration of a "douchebag" I ever encountered.

Whoa, so much Irvine hate. He was one of my favourite characters in VIII. The team is always Squall, Rinoa, Irvine. I wouldn't use Zell if you paid me.

[Happy]

the guy was whipped

even named a ship after the hussy. 2 ships actually. or was it 3 i can't remember
I think it was 3.

[iranscam]

whoa, so much irvine hate. He was one of my favourite characters in viii. The team is always squall, rinoa, irvine. I wouldn't use zell if you paid me.
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[IgniteYourAvail]

Zell had an awesome Limit Break is I remember correctly.

[FlyingPaul_83]

^indeed he did.

In other news, I recently purchased Final Fantasy Love will grow vocal collection just because it's beyond worthy of my money. I want to sincerely thank whoever posted the link to ffdream, because without that I would have never known of such beautiful music.

FF update I'm about the get the twelve legendary weapons and then it's into the void! playing V by the way.

[Mister_Che]

Zell had an awesome Limit Break is I remember correctly.

Sure did, and it could dole out some heavy damage.

[-Listy-]

i always used squall zell irvine

[spitfirejunky]

Got into the habbit of using Quistis for Mighty Guard, but once you get the team filled with Auto Shell and Auto Protect you pretty much don't need her anymore.

[Mister_Che]

After Rinoa learned Angel Wing, I always kept her on.

[fatbandit]

Rinoa could destroy everything if you set her up right :/