The Official Leftover Crack/Choking Victim Thread

[Brain Toad]

This is my first time doing a band profile. I decided to do this because of my love of the band, and I know most of their history.

It started in the squats of New York City. Where 4 talented individuals got together to play hard, fast ska-punk. Leftover Crack was formed from the remains of Choking Victim after the band decided to call it quits. Singer, guitarist, and song writer, the Stza (aka Sturgen in some cases) put out an open call for more members for his new band. He collected members from F-Minus, Blindsided, and Suicidal Tendencies, along with Choking Victim member Alec Mohamed. Together they recorded the demo 7" for Bankshot! called "Rock the 40oz" They later contributed "Crack City Rockers" to the Hellcat compilation, Give 'Em the Boot II. Hellcat owner, Tim Armstrong asked the boys to join the Hellcat family. Leftover Crack agreed to this, as long as bar codes were kept off their albums. The lineup of Leftover Crack was solidified when Alec agreed to play bass full time, taking on the name Alec Crack. Stza also brought in Ara from Agent 99 to play drums. They began recording their first album in May of 2001. The album was originally set to be called "Shoot the Kids at School" but was rejected by the folks at Hellcat. It was released May 22, 2001 titled Mediocre Generica. The album explored the many talents of Leftover Crack, not only their ska influence, but also a softer rockabilly/psychobilly sound and plain hardcore on some tracks. The album was a success for the band. They went on tour to promote the album, but seemed to go into hiding after their album had been out for a year. Most members broke off to form side projects such as Morning Glory, INDK, and American Distress. All these bands becoming part of the Crack Rock Steady 7.

In early 2004, Leftover Crack joined by other members from the Crack Rock Steady 7 released a split album with So Cal punks, F-Minus titled "Baby Jesus Sliced up in the Manger". As the side bands continued to prosper many fans wondered what would become of Leftover Crack. Many fans watched as the Leftover Crack website stayed un-updated, but one site created by a loyal fan called ****worldtrade.com chronicled all the news it could about the Crack team and its side projects. It was announced in early 2004 that Leftover Crack were recording a new album called **** World Trade and it would be released on Jello Biafra's label, Alternative Tentacles. The Crack fans rejoiced at the thought of the bringing together of their favorite band on the largest independent label. As the album was recorded an un-mastered copy was leaked, by Alec himself, so the fans could sneak a peak at what to come. Many were disappointed by it, many loved it. A lot weren't sure to think of their favorite band, but watched ****worldtrade.com longingly to find more news about the new album. And if a Crack fan had succeed in wandering back over to leftovercrack.com they found the site revamped and now run by Tzra, the same web master who ran ****worldtrade.com. There was more rejoice. As more news came, it found that legendary record producer and member of Big Black, Steve Albini would be helping Leftover Crack with the producing their new album. Anyone who knew Albini's work knew this would be an album to go down in history. As recording finished and wait began for the new album, AT's website released 3 tracks to the public, and the fans were astonished by how far the band had come. Soon the whole album had leaked and news was everywhere, it was the greatest thing Leftover Crack had made yet. This wonderful album was released officially to the public on August 31, 2004. With the amazing CD came provocative album art picturing the tumbling World Trade Center, showing that Leftover Crack weren't your normal New Yorkers, crying about 9/11, but embracing that reasons of why it happened.
Following the release of the **** World Trade album, Leftover Crack seemingly disappeared from public view. Sometimes they would make an appearance, must most times staying in hiding. Soon, Choking Victim reunions began, playing the odd show throughout the year, mainly in New York. Leftover Crack played a few shows as well. After loosing a drummer the band seemed like it was going to break up, this seemed even more possible after bassist Alec got married and moved to the west coast, but as far as fans know, they have not broken up. They recently released a 4-way split 7” with friends Morning Glory, F-Minus and Bent Outta Shape called The Kids Are Gonna Pay.

Website:
http://www.myspace.com/leftovercrackofficial

Band Members:
Stza - Vocals, Guitar
Alec Baillie - Bass, Vocals
Ezra - Guitar, Vocals
Brad Logan - Guitar
Ara - Drums

Discography:
Rock the 40oz
Mediocre Generica
**** World Trade

Recomended Songs:
Nazi White Trash
Athiest Antehm
Jesus Has a Place 4 Me (Rock the 40oz)
Burn Them Prisons
Gang Control
Via Sin Dios
Operation M.O.V.E.

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With some help from Reiner I have made the official thread to discuss Leftover Crack and Choking Victim. This will be the only thread that these bands will be discussed in (except their mentions in other threads.) No new threads will be made about these bands, or you will be banned. This thread will include discussions of the music of these bands, their politics, the news in the bands etc. You can also discuss other Crack Rock Steady Seven bands which contain F-Minus, Morning Glory, InDK, American Distress, etc.

Now get going!

[Big-Bird]

i still like Choking Victim better

[TheNowhereman42]

I'm always looking for **** world trade, but all I can ever find is Rock the 40oz

I love nazi white trash though

[REINER]

I bet Alternative Tentacles site has it.

[Volume8]

Brian Squirrel And Side Kick The Toad!!!!

[Brain Toad]

I bet Alternative Tentacles site has it.

Indeed they do. I can only find one copy at the store. I got the only one of Mediocre Generica and the only one of FWT. I never have found Rock the 40oz or any CV albums.

[singinghostility]

i like crack city rockers the best. LOC are my favourite band, along with propagandhi and im really getting into bad brains lately

[AdictAddict]

I saw leftover crack a few weeks ago and they were way better than I thought they would be. I am just starting to get into them now, and this band profile was quite useful. Good post.

[mole]

I like them.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Great profile great band.

[ska_dizzle_fo_shizzle]

ok, im new to this site, but i know a little about LoC too. The Stzza and Alec first had a band in highschool called No Commercial Value who played Nazi White Trash, and so did CV and now its LoC's turn. I *think* that Alec quit unfortunatly and now im pretty sure that anti-flags bassist has replaced him which i am pretty bummed about. I think LoC will get softer and also lose most if not all of the ska influence because of the new bassist. a great great band but i still think CV is better because they were more ska and their albums werent as over produced like the LoC ones. Favorite song ---> 5 Finger Discount!!! hope this helped guys! :thumb:

[Brain Toad]

ok, im new to this site, but i know a little about LoC too. The Stzza and Alec first had a band in highschool called No Commercial Value who played Nazi White Trash, and so did CV and now its LoC's turn. I *think* that Alec quit unfortunatly and now im pretty sure that anti-flags bassist has replaced him which i am pretty bummed about. I think LoC will get softer and also lose most if not all of the ska influence because of the new bassist. a great great band but i still think CV is better because they were more ska and their albums werent as over produced like the LoC ones. Favorite song ---> 5 Finger Discount!!! hope this helped guys! :thumb:

If the Anti-Flag bassist did replace Alec (which is possible, I heard he moved to Cali with his girlfriend), it will only be for this tour. Afterwards they are calling it quits, as The Stza is moving to South Africa, or so he says. I think if they get together to record again, Alec will be there.

[TheNowhereman42]

I bet Alternative Tentacles site has it.

pssh

like i'm gonna buy it :rolleyes:

[ska_dizzle_fo_shizzle]

man, Stzza is way too self desctructive, theyve got such a good thing going, just like with CV, but then they quit, it pisses me off. CV broke up the day they finished recording No Gods/No Managers. laaaame

[obese_breasts]

pssh

like i'm gonna buy it :rolleyes:

Soulseek (http://www.slsknet.org)

[Brain Toad]

I actually got my copy of it early on SLSK, I love them for being so open about music downloading.

[TheNowhereman42]

i bloody hate soulseek

I use Bitcomet and

punkhc.dyndns.org

[widzjnent]

well done, great band also is choking victim

[thatoneguy0829]

i bloody hate soulseek

I use Bitcomet and

punkhc.dyndns.org

How could you hate something so great? They provide poor kids like me with music that i could only dream about getting! :D

[thatoneguy0829]

oh yea...... CV and LoC are both great bands i just wish i could see them live someday HAHA

[refuse_amen]

i actually bought both their albums, and rock the 40 oz :cool:

[singinghostility]

ok, im new to this site, but i know a little about LoC too. The Stzza and Alec first had a band in highschool called No Commercial Value who played Nazi White Trash, and so did CV and now its LoC's turn. I *think* that Alec quit unfortunatly and now im pretty sure that anti-flags bassist has replaced him which i am pretty bummed about. I think LoC will get softer and also lose most if not all of the ska influence because of the new bassist. a great great band but i still think CV is better because they were more ska and their albums werent as over produced like the LoC ones. Favorite song ---> 5 Finger Discount!!! hope this helped guys! :thumb:

anti flags bass player isnt with them. i saw them live and i remember the bass player saying he was from the aquabats. i thought i heard wrong, but then he said something about kooky ska, so i was convinced i heard right.

[Obnoxiuos Mushroom]

which of the albums mentioned is the one with the black and white cover, with a pentacle with agoats head on?

[IFlogMyMolly16]

I was listening to them and then I saw this thread at the top of the page. So I read it with some nice background music. Nice.

[Jessizzle]

haha i made like 4 cd stores order fu<k world trade, i finally got it like 2 weeks ago, its amazzing

[TheNowhereman42]

How could you hate something so great? They provide poor kids like me with music that i could only dream about getting! :D

cause bitcomet does the same thing, but its easier

[Chips]

Oh are they breaking up again for real? That bites.

These guys are the most recent addition to my "favourite bands" list.

[angela]

I just stumbled across this thread and thought I'd clear some **** up about Alec.
First of all, you guys shouldn't believe anything the band or other people say cause it's usually not true.
Yes, Alec and I moved to California, but that was never gonna have any effect on the band, where Brad also lives far away from NYC.
Alec was never leaving LoC, and no one has any idea where the whole Anti Flag bassist rumor came from.
The Aquabats **** is a joke. Stza likes to announce that at shows, thinking it's funny, but if you ask Alec, he'll tell you that he's really not in the band.
Hope that cleared a few things up
:)

[TheUngovernableForce]

Good band, same as Choking Victim, even tho in my opinion CV is alot better the LOC.

[Brain Toad]

With some help from Reiner I have made the official thread to discuss Leftover Crack and Choking Victim. This will be the only thread that these bands will be discussed in (except their mentions in other threads.) No new threads will be made about these bands, or you will be banned. This thread will include discussions of the music of these bands, their politics, the news in the bands etc. You can also discuss other Crack Rock Steady Seven bands which contain F-Minus, Morning Glory, InDK, American Distress, etc.

If you would like to read about Leftover Crack, please visit my band profile on the band
Leftover Crack band profile (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252335)

If any other profiles of any of these bands are created, I will edit this post and post a link to them.

Now get going!

[trash_equals_cash]

Good band, same as Choking Victim, even tho in my opinion CV is alot better the LOC.

Leftover Crack and ex-CV are two of my favorite bands of all time. Right up there with Civil Disobedience. Mediocre Generica and No Gods/No Managers are, in my opinion, the two best albums ever.

If you like LoC and CV, check out Infinite Justice and Dancehall Satan...as I'm sure you already know of INDK and Morning Glory, good stuff.

Aaron Antix
Shotdown Johnny

[TransistorKolt]

Anti-Flags bassist aint with 'em but Antimaniax's drummer is, he is recorded on FWT. This maybe where your getting confused

[TransistorKolt]

This is a good thread. I only got into them like 4 days ago, I would have found it really usefull then

[honkybrewster]

I just tried out Leftover crack a couple of days ago, they're pretty kickass.

[Band-Aid]

Yeah, they're a good band. I saw them in Medford, Oregon. They didn't give like tons of energy to the crowd by them doing stuff really, but the music made up for that.

[<---NoFX--->]

I'm listening to them right now, they're an amazing band. I think F'uck World Trade is one of the best albums released this year.

[leftovercrackin]

the profile is off a bit

[AIRIC]

Re-do it then bihotch.

[Twat_Out_Of_Hell]

Fatmatt's seeing them tonight and i'm seeing them tomorrow

[Brain Toad]

the profile is off a bit

What's wrong then. I appreciate criticism and correcting as long as it is done in a mature manner.

[Sid]

Matt gets to see everything.

[<---NoFX--->]

I'm going to see them on tuesday

[twenty.five.to.five]

i really need to buy the new leftover crack. i love playing to choking victim's bass lines. there solid and very awesome melodies... except for ****ed reality.. hehhehe

[whats her face]

BTW, You can go to intrepunk.com and search up Leftover Crack, and it will give you ALL the cd's Leftover Crack was ever on including CV cd's too. Plus lots of merch. I was in heaven when I saw it....

I love this band so much, **** World Trade is such an awesome cd. Its was hard for me to find though, my boyfreind ended up finding it while he was in Calgary.... lucky.

[markapples]

i saw them at cracltoberfest, they didnt play many songs but it kicked so much ***.

[RevengeOfTheVillageIdiot]

Fatmatt's seeing them tonight and i'm seeing them tomorrow


they were good


Matt gets to see everything.

i see very little actually, but there are gigs almost constantly, so there is almost always something worth seeing.





everyone enjoys it when leftover crack cover blink 182

[MILF Hunter]

Im seeing them on the 28th. Mayve my opinion on them will change then.

[RevengeOfTheVillageIdiot]

it probably wont.

[tornpictures]

Anyone who knows a **** about the LoC knows that Ezra is a ****ing addict.

Everyone at Tompkins knows he hangs around there alot.. shooting up.
We saw him ****ting in the bushes with a syringe hanging out of his arm once.

That's Ezra for ya.

[RevengeOfTheVillageIdiot]

yeah, it's not a secret...

[Twat_Out_Of_Hell]

they were good




i see very little actually, but there are gigs almost constantly, so there is almost always something worth seeing.





everyone enjoys it when leftover crack cover blink 182

They did a blink cover?

[refuse amen]

haha yeah i was there, they did dammit halfway through 500 channels.

[Brain Toad]

Anyone who knows a **** about the LoC knows that Ezra is a ****ing addict.

Everyone at Tompkins knows he hangs around there alot.. shooting up.
We saw him ****ting in the bushes with a syringe hanging out of his arm once.

That's Ezra for ya.

Good for him. It's his life he can do what he wants.

[CONNER_NWHC]

Is he really a Addicted to H?

[whats her face]

What do you think?

Ever heard the song Heroin or Suicide?

[Ryan77]

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[Anxious]

yet my thread gets 3 replies

[Forest_Fire]

I told you to stop makiing threads.


go away

[Anxious]

I told you to stop makiing threads.


go away
ive made like 2 in the last 2 months

[Forest_Fire]

Not you, you're cool. the threadstarter

[hendrixonpunk]

Overdone thread. You fayle.
no kidding. did you just copy and paste the last one?

[Anxious]

Not you, you're cool. the threadstarter
y ahes a dick

[Unseen2k0]

Oh god, close this one and go to the one at the bottom of page 1 or top of 2.

[GrAfIcA]

ok.

[Scabies]

Choking Victim make me wanna commit suicide. LoC make me wanna commit suicide froma drug overdose.

[Rootsradical]

I heard that LC left hell-cat records on some bad terms and then they made fun of rancid on their new album. So did they get into a fight or something? Because Tim and Brett really helped them out. I just wanna know if anyone knows.

[Brain Toad]

They made fun of Rancid for selling out in their song Clear Channel (F'uck Off!)

[IFlogMyMolly16]

"The Sovereign Insincerity The monopoly of greed
Nickleback, POD, Rancid, Britany & Creed
The Bureaucrats they leech upon to mediocre trends
Your song in heavy rotation from the cash your label spends "

[mole]

The Sovereign Insincerity The monopoly of greed
Nickleback, POD, Rancid, Britany & Creed
The Bureaucrats they leech upon to mediocre trends
Your song in heavy rotation from the cash your label spends
From the products you promote for the ones who foot the bill
A Prefabricated goose-step for the pockets that you fill
The monotony of censored products shine in the display
The same old song of compromise went platinum today.

Only problem is, LoC are hypocrites

[mole]

arg shaith

[IFlogMyMolly16]

Har har I win

[DrGolovaCroxby]

LoC sucks big balls anyway.

[Rootsradical]

How can they make fun of rancid though, when they were on Tim's record label? And isn't one of the dudes from leftover crack in f-minus which is still on hell cat?

[DrGolovaCroxby]

who cares? f-minus sucks too.

[Brain Toad]

If you are off the person's label you can make fun of them all you want. Why they do it, I don't know.

[Unseen2k0]

I heard that LC left hell-cat records on some bad terms and then they made fun of rancid on their new album. So did they get into a fight or something? Because Tim and Brett really helped them out. I just wanna know if anyone knows.

Yes, they did. The CD LoC released on Hell-Cat was highly censored to the point they had to throw out a song, their cover art, their liner notes and had to change some stuff in their songs. LoC/CV was never much into censorship, so they left the label.

"How can they make fun of rancid though, when they were on Tim's record label? And isn't one of the dudes from leftover crack in f-minus which is still on hell cat?"

It's easy. All they do is make fun of him. Not like it's hard. He married that chick from the Distillers, she left him for the Queen of the Stone Age guy and just used him(Tim) to get on a known label/boost her popularity, and he is singing about being friends with Lars.

They switch drummers a lot, but one of them is in F-Minus.

[Weezerfan_returns]

wow.....thats quite stupid. I love op ivy and all, and old rancid is cool, but tim has really turned into a piece of **** over the years. What with him starting the Transplants (if anyone sucks big balls its them, Doc). At least leftover crack doesnt have songs playing in commercials for Garnier Fructis Hair Color....

[IFlogMyMolly16]

wow.....thats quite stupid. I love op ivy and all, and old rancid is cool, but tim has really turned into a piece of **** over the years. What with him starting the Transplants (if anyone sucks big balls its them, Doc). At least leftover crack doesnt have songs playing in commercials for Garnier Fructis Hair Color....
The Garnier commercials are for shampoo. Not hair color.

[Weezerfan_returns]

The Garnier commercials are for shampoo. Not hair color.
...d'amn you! :upset:

[goatballs]

their second guitarist brad logan was in f-minus, but got kicked out like two years ago and joined loc .stza just sings now.

[R_A_M_O_N_E_S]

Left over Crack are a bunch of tossers anyway.

[SpecialBoy]

who cares? f-minus sucks too.

F-Minus aren't that bad.

[kieranushurnusmcgee]

Leftover crack suck. Choking victim are good though.

[SactoUnited]

Leftover Crack likes Calvin Klein.

[Scabies]

Lars and Tim could blatantly have Stza and Ezra.

[sketchyjoe]

Yes, they did. The CD LoC released on Hell-Cat was highly censored to the point they had to throw out a song, their cover art, their liner notes and had to change some stuff in their songs. LoC/CV was never much into censorship, so they left the label.
And Mediocre Generica was originally titled "Shoot The Kids At School" but Hellcat made them change it.

[SickBoy]

Only problem is, LoC are hypocrites

123

[cheeser_1]

Only problem is, LoC are hypocrites

everybody's a hypocrite. get over it.


bands disagree, people don't do things the same way. hellcat wasn't into the over-the-top stuff, and if they didn't want to attach their label to a record called "shoot the kids at school," i understand. i wouldn't care what they did, if it were my choice, but it's not. and i respect that. besides, tim's a good guy, and he's made his mistakes like anybody else. he married a henious, blood-sucking bitch. he let that band go right before a huge surge in their sales (although their older stuff is selling pretty good too). but it's nobody's place to tell him he isn't allowed to make those mistakes, becuase it's his life, it's his record label, and he's allowed to make his own decisions.

[DrGolovaCroxby]

wow.....thats quite stupid. I love op ivy and all, and old rancid is cool, but tim has really turned into a piece of **** over the years. What with him starting the Transplants (if anyone sucks big balls its them, Doc). At least leftover crack doesnt have songs playing in commercials for Garnier Fructis Hair Color....

I'd rather listen to the Transplants than LoC.

[Brothel_Creeper]

wow.....thats quite stupid. I love op ivy and all, and old rancid is cool, but tim has really turned into a piece of **** over the years. What with him starting the Transplants (if anyone sucks big balls its them, Doc). At least leftover crack doesnt have songs playing in commercials for Garnier Fructis Hair Color....

the transplants are not rancid


Lars and Tim could blatantly have Stza and Ezra.


just lars could, tim would be to busy living in 70s britain, and being an ex junkie

[misfitsandcider]

their second guitarist brad logan was in f-minus, but got kicked out like two years ago and joined loc .stza just sings now.


didnt rancid do a song called brad logan?

[DrGolovaCroxby]

i thought Stza was a member of the Wu-Tang Clan

[cheeser_1]

didnt rancid do a song called brad logan?
brad logan is a friend of theirs, and has gone on tour with them a few times.


i thought Stza was a member of the Wu-Tang Clan
who says he isn't?

[DrGolovaCroxby]

Wu-Tang Clan > LoC

[SactoUnited]

Wu-Tang Clan > LoC
123. Shaolin Style.

[SickBoy]

Wu-Tang Clan > LoC

what the hell does Ante-up mean anyway?

[SactoUnited]

Your thinkin of MOP man.

[dudetezz]

Meh. I've never heard this "Leftover Crack" that everyone bangs on about, but i bet they cant top Rancid 93 or Lets Go in terms of songwriting and spirit.

[Aus Rotten]

What Rancid song is in a commercial (sorry, don't watch TV) ?

[SactoUnited]

Its a Transplants song. And its Diamonds and Guns.

[Nyabingy]

who cares?...
rancid are good
leftover crack are good
..thats all that matters

[mole]

everybody's a hypocrite. get over it.

Maybe so, but I don't preach about something in lyrics like to go out and riot and then run from them when they start (cracktober fest)

[Leftover Jello]

The point it censorship and commercial music is crap. But LoC is with AT now so it's all good.

[Shtein]

record buisness, tearing people apart, over albums

















this doesn't make much sense

[POINTLESS5448]

i thought Stza was a member of the Wu-Tang Clan
is he really?

[pogobox]

Brad Logan helped out on the new LoC and toured with them, Brad Logan was also a friend of Rancids, Brad Logan however is not LoC, I'm sure Rancid are much more mature then to take a lyric of Stza's and hold it against Brad Logan... Brad Logan kicked out of F-Minus? I don't think so... isn't it his band?

Comparing Loc and Rancid is just retarded too, different bands, different concepts, I like them both a lot, I don't care if Stza doesn't like Rancid, doesn't change the fact I like LoC and Rancid.

Rancids new album was over produced crap and Stza didn't like it, get over it, why does Stzas opinion matter to any of you clowns anyway?

[nobodygood]

Yeah, I listen to Rancid and they're old stuff is good, I dont listen to LoC but Hellcat Recordsis Tim's and he's free to do whatever he wants with it, and he can tell whoever is on the label what he wants, Loc didnt like it so they left

[cheeser_1]

Brad Logan helped out on the new LoC and toured with them, Brad Logan was also a friend of Rancids, Brad Logan however is not LoC, I'm sure Rancid are much more mature then to take a lyric of Stza's and hold it against Brad Logan... Brad Logan kicked out of F-Minus? I don't think so... isn't it his band?

Comparing Loc and Rancid is just retarded too, different bands, different concepts, I like them both a lot, I don't care if Stza doesn't like Rancid, doesn't change the fact I like LoC and Rancid.

Rancids new album was over produced crap and Stza didn't like it, get over it, why does Stzas opinion matter to any of you clowns anyway?
you're nit-picking about whether brad is in leftover crack, or just in it. nobody's honestly comparing rancid and leftover crack as similar. they think one is better, then they do, but nobody said they were the same. i think rancid are better than britney spears. and you can't tell me that's nonsense just because they aren't similar. and finally, if stza's opinion isn't worth crap, i guess neither is yours, so why are you posting at all?

Maybe so, but I don't preach about something in lyrics like to go out and riot and then run from them when they start (cracktober fest)
yes. you are a hypocrite in a different way. the only reason you don't do that, as far as i know, is because you are not in a successful or even halfway decent band.

[mole]

But if you knew your word goes out to thousands of people, you should at least make your lyrics a tad truthful, eh?

[Weezerfan_returns]

[QUOTE=Brothel_Creeper]the transplants are not rancid

yes i understand...i just worded it wrong i guess. You knew what i meant butthole

[TheNowhereman42]

But if you knew your word goes out to thousands of people, you should at least make your lyrics a tad truthful, eh?

I was at a show that turned into a riot and ended up rioting with everyone, getting maced, and narrowly escaping arrests.

But If I has expensive equipment with me...I probably woulda high tailed it

[mole]

Yeh, but guess who induced the riots.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate LoC, but they seem like they just seem to always go back and forth on their opinions.

[TheNowhereman42]

I heard people just rioted because they sang an anti-police song, thats not really their faults

[TheNowhereman42]

It was pretty funny that they ran though, because wasn't it not so much riots and just a few people breaking car windows?

[mole]

I heard people just rioted because they sang an anti-police song, thats not really their faults

Well what do you expect to get from big shows like that?

[TheNowhereman42]

I don't think NWA ever induced riots

[mole]

I bet they have.

[cheeser_1]

i bet your mom has.


who cares though? i'm the champion of the everybody-is-a-hypocrite thing, and i still don't really see that as qualifying them as hypocrites. "sissies" or "people who like to keep their expensive stuff not-broken" perhaps.

[TheNowhereman42]

yeah cheesers right, it does qualify them more as pansey boys than hypocrits

[mole]

"Why are their so many songs about rainbows? And who gives a f'uck anyway?"

If no one gave a f'uck, then why write a song about it?

Whatever, I don't want to start a huge arguement over how brave or not LoC is.

[mole]

Gay Rude Boys Unite is probably their best song and most clear about their opinion, IMO.

[TheNowhereman42]

I <3 rainbows

[cheeser_1]

"Why are their so many songs about rainbows? And who gives a f'uck anyway?"

If no one gave a f'uck, then why write a song about it?

Whatever, I don't want to start a huge arguement over how brave or not LoC is.
they didn't write the song about rainbows.
they wrote a song about writing songs about rainbows.

GEEEEEEEZ.

but seriously, yes. we are being silly.


it does qualify them more as pansey boys than hypocrits
and for the record, there's nothing necessarily wrong with being a "pansy."

[TheNowhereman42]

Oh yeah I completely agree, I bloody hate bugs and basically run away when I see them

[misfitspunk]

who cares? f-minus sucks too.

You suck F minus own u.

[TROGDOR91]

TRyin' to figure out what LeftOver Crack stands for. I hear they don't judge anyone and that they're anti-religious. Every website's sayin' different things. "Are they into witchcraft or What?" Cuts I've heard from F'uck World Trade are awesome. Wondrin' if they're worth gettin' into.

[Brothel_Creeper]

they stand for whatever is controversial and will get them attention, because the music isnt good enough

[Scabies]

ooh controversy

[Brothel_Creeper]

you know its true, remember when they played london

'oh calvin klein, really '**** world trade' ey'

[Scabies]

all that pops in to my head is that f'uckin girl screaming about how she cant/doesnt want to get laid before life is pain

[Brothel_Creeper]

ahahahaha


'i dont want kids!'

she was crazy

[sketchyjoe]

That sounds like a fun gig.

It's true LoC are all about controversy for controversy's sake, that and self-mythologising. Any decent political points are cancelled out by a level of self-aggrandisement that would embarass most gangster rappers.

[Unseen2k0]

They stand against world trade, cops and things like religion. There are a lot of people who don't like them here, if you read what is above. I think they are a great band, and if you check out the top 100 punk CDs, all 3 of their CDs made it and did well. They are a good band and can structure their music together very nicely. Check 'em out.

[sketchyjoe]

I like them but their political views are pretty undeveloped. And they only have 2 albums unless you're counting Choking Victim.

[Jessizzle]

I actually liked FWT alot, I Thought it had somesorta ska-ish feel on some of the tracks and together it sounded great.

[Unseen2k0]

I like them but their political views are pretty undeveloped. And they only have 2 albums unless you're counting Choking Victim.

I am. LoC is CV with a new drummer. Same song writers and all. Their political views are becoming more developed, and more people are starting to dislike them.

[IFlogMyMolly16]

Against the World Bank and the IMF as FWT will indicate.

[OMGaDINOSAUR]

Eating babies.

[DrGolovaCroxby]

they stand for whatever is controversial and will get them attention, because the music isnt good enough

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[Jessizzle]

My Mommy thought my LOC poster was offencive.

[DrGolovaCroxby]

the FWT album cover is offensive. i don't find many things offensive, but that cover makes me want to kick the s'hit out of those hypocrite fags if I ever see them.

[Jessizzle]

Yea.. the poster was from inside the album. But thoes pictures under the lyrics really creeped me out.

[Brain Toad]

I like them but their political views are pretty undeveloped. And they only have 2 albums unless you're counting Choking Victim.

I agree with this. I like their music, and their lyrics are decent. But they aren't ones you'd seek political ideas from, ie DK etc.

[El_Shiznit]

Are we ready for an Official LoC/Crack Rock thread yet?

I'm tired of these threads all over the place.

[Iron Bug]

Are we ready for an Official LoC/Crack Rock thread yet?

I'm tired of these threads all over the place.



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[AIRIC]

Ezra is an idiot, but I still love them as a band.

[Leftover Jello]

"Leftover Crack is an Anti-Racist, Anti-Sexist, Anti-Homophobic and Anti-Fascist Organization...BEWARE THE WRATH OF THE VICTIN!" It says on **** World Trade. They just exagerate every thing and go way over the top with all their kill cops, do drugs, and drop out stuff. They're definately a great band, maybe don't take everything too seriously. It seems like they support terrorists, for example super tuesday seems to be about how 9/11 will bring an end to the American Empire. Personally I think they have quite intelligent political views, they just portray them in extreme, exagerated, radical ways that just makes it all the more funny.

[Biscuit_box]

I just recently acquired their both albums and i haven't been able to stop listening to them! Brilliant band. Brilliant music. As it was already mentioned FWT had a ska feel to it which makes it more appealing to me

[Reaganista]

the FWT album cover is offensive. i don't find many things offensive, but that cover makes me want to kick the s'hit out of those hypocrite fags if I ever see them.

yes.

I can't stand them.

[SactoUnited]

the FWT album cover is offensive. i don't find many things offensive, but that cover makes me want to kick the s'hit out of those hypocrite fags if I ever see them.
123.
They may not like world trade, but still so many people died and that shouldnt be viewed as cool or funny.

[Anxious]

Are we ready for an Official LoC/Crack Rock thread yet?

I'm tired of these threads all over the place.
i will leave when we get one of those.

[Majorthreat889]

Yeah theyre drummer died only 24... too bad they broke up after that they were a great band

[Forest_Fire]

Except that they didn't break up

[Majorthreat889]

they didnt? u sure?

[Forest_Fire]

LEFTOVER CRACK : THE LOWDOWN FROM STZA
01 March 2005

Stza wrote us with some clarification about what's going on with LEFTOVER CRACK. Although the band's future is not clear right now, Stza is currently writing songs for the next Leftover Crack record as well as a side project with Brad Logan (F-Minus/L.O.C. guitarist & singer). Stza will be doing an accoustic tour of the UK in May 2005, playing the Wasted Festival and a bunch of other shows. LEFTOVER CRACK released '**** World Trade' last year (on Household Name Records in the UK).

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[Majorthreat889]

ahh your right. **** idk why i thought they broke up.

[kieranushurnusmcgee]

They're sellouts. They just say controversial stuff to get attention.

[IrishPunk07]

reguardless if they sold out for "attention," they are still fun to listen to

[cheeser_1]

I like them but their political views are pretty undeveloped. And they only have 2 albums unless you're counting Choking Victim.
some people might count that beefed up re-release of that rock the 40 oz 7" - you know the one, yeah?

the FWT album cover is offensive. i don't find many things offensive, but that cover makes me want to kick the s'hit out of those hypocrite fags if I ever see them.except that the cover reflects an important aspect of the truth of what happened.

[$bassline$]

the feeling i always got from the cover was that it's purpose was not to mock the people that died, but to show that both sides are definirely wrong. and it definitely helped to get attention, which i see nothing wrong with as long as they're just making exaggerated pictures and song topics.

[Brothel_Creeper]

i think the point of that cover is for people to go

'wow, omg i must buy this becuase it is so contorvoeroslail and alternative'

[mole]

some people might count that beefed up re-release of that rock the 40 oz 7" - you know the one, yeah?

except that the cover reflects an important aspect of the truth of what happened.

The truth...as in a couple buildings collapsing killing thousands of people, and they're saying pretty much, "**** the people that died, let's sing about some songs about beer (oh how original), shooting up schools, and rainbows...

[mole]

which i see nothing wrong with as long as they're just making exaggerated pictures and song topics.

Which is exactly what they did.

[TROGDOR91]

Hey, is it just me or do they kinda remind me of the Lawrence Arms? (musically anyway.)

[Brothel_Creeper]

no, they are nothing like the lawrench arms

at all

[Unseen2k0]

The truth...as in a couple buildings collapsing killing thousands of people, and they're saying pretty much, "**** the people that died, let's sing about some songs about beer (oh how original), shooting up schools, and rainbows...

You're dumb. They didn't say "**** the people that died" at all. They said "World trade is a death machine," and I don't disagree with that. And they didn't have any songs about drinking beer on FWT, shooting up schools, or rainbows. And get this! They've never had songs about rainbows. You're just ignorant. The song was about not singing about rainbows.

And somehow, they are more orginal then you. You can dislike them without being a moron, you know.

[mole]

"As the same bitches that brought you the tower tumblin', Mediocre Generica, on 9-11-01

And sainted the Columbine kids,..we are pleased to present..."

No i don't dislike them at all, but they aren't original.

[mole]

And BTW, I was talking about the cover of the album, and how offensive it can be to people.

[cheeser_1]

The truth...as in a couple buildings collapsing killing thousands of people, and they're saying pretty much, "**** the people that died, let's sing about some songs about beer (oh how original), shooting up schools, and rainbows...
yeah, because they never addressed the complex economic forces that drive the world to violence and murder. or maybe they did. whatever. the point is, i'm offended by people who address an issue to bluntly and directly, therefore i cannot stand an accurate, artistic interpretation of what happened because i'm bound by my own igorance and my short-sighted inability to actually care what they say in the album. </mocking you>there's a difference between being offensive because you're a jerk and being offensive because you're right. US political leaders are indirectly responsible for 9-11. there is no way around this. depictions of them throwing gasoline on the fire and getting rich off their haliburton stock in the process may be offensive to you, BUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY ****ING RIGHT. if you are too blinded by your inability to cope with death to understand that they are making an important, valid point that probably does the dead more good than anything GW did, i don't even know where to begin with you.

You're just ignorant. The song was about not singing about rainbows.
finally, somebody else gets it. i've been saying that to this guy for weeks.

[Unseen2k0]

"As the same bitches that brought you the tower tumblin', Mediocre Generica, on 9-11-01

And sainted the Columbine kids,..we are pleased to present..."

No i don't dislike them at all, but they aren't original.

What does that have to do with them being orginal? I mean, seriously, I read that and I think to myself "How the hell is that quote and what he is saying connected?"

Yes, they did put out Mediocre Generica on 9/11/01. And they did saint the Columbine kids.

Now tell me, where does orginality come into play here?

And cheeser, I've got it for awhile. I heard like the first 3 sentences of the lyrics and that is all it took for me to get it.

[Brain Toad]

So here it is, the official thread for LoC and CV, no spamming it up, and no making new threads about them!

[Unseen2k0]

i will leave when we get one of those.

Adios.

[El_Shiznit]

So here it is, the official thread for LoC and CV, no spamming it up, and no making new threads about them!
I love post 2 in the thread. :p


EDIT - Little did I know that the mod and Nick were up to no good changing the first post. So now my post makes no sense. Just know that it did at the time.

[Jessizzle]

I have a feeling this thread will end up in an argument.

[Scabies]

i love them both, whatever you little goons say.

[sketchyjoe]

They're good but overrated.

[skankinOstrich]

INDK, MG, and CV are all better than LOC.

Gang Control is much better by Morning Glory as well.
"your current balance is 6 dollars, 66 cents"

[Leftover Jello]

Morning Glory is the best. I think that This is no time ta sleep is the best of all their cd's. However they are all good.

[Brain Toad]

Morning Glory is much better. They should try to tour more, or at all.

[TheNowhereman42]

CV > other crack rock bands

[pedro durruti]

i SECOND THAT MOTION

[Jessizzle]

I Third it.

[TheNowhereman42]

well now that we've taken care of that....uh

LETS GET A PUPPY!

[Jessizzle]

Can I have a pony? Dogs smell funny.

[pedro durruti]

Let's stay on topic folks

[KingOfSka]

who cares? f-minus sucks too.

F-minus doesn't suck you faggot.

LoC pwns joo.

Has anybody seen LoC live?

[Jessizzle]

I Was Gonna go to their show in September but they only let 1/4 of the kids into the show and I dont remeber but certin member wernt aloud to Cross the border.

[KingOfSka]

Sweet, I found a live video on Bearshare. It's LoC playing "One Dead Cop". I wish i could see them live, but I doubt they would come to Canada

[Jessizzle]

Dude, they were here in september?

[TheNowhereman42]

The video for Rock the 40oz video is so funny hillarius, it must have cost like $12 to make

[Jessizzle]

Links?

[KingOfSka]

Dude, they were here in september?

What! Ontario? BC? where?

The video for Rock the 40oz video is so funny hillarius, it must have cost like $12 to make

Hahaha so true, Ezra's chewing gum in it. So low budget.

[KingOfSka]

Links?

Dunno, I got it from my friend over msn. If you have msn I'll send it to you.

[Jessizzle]

They played Toronto with the heatskores.

[Jessizzle]

Dunno, I got it from my friend over msn. If you have msn I'll send it to you.

Idiot_Boxx_@hotmail.com

[SantaDuJuan]

They played Toronto with the heatskores.


Good band.

[KingOfSka]

"Who stole the money from the house fund, was it the coconut man, **** the coconut man!

[Jessizzle]

Good band.

Duhh and everyone knows im the heatwhore.

[Brain Toad]

The video for Rock the 40oz video is so funny hillarius, it must have cost like $12 to make

It looks like they filmed it one of those 'make your own music video' boothes at theme parks.

[pedro durruti]

Good band.
Why do you make posts like that? They serve no purpose, I mean I'm sure you've already said that you like this band, so why the hell say it again, especially when it is irrelevant

[SantaDuJuan]

Why do you make posts like that? They serve no purpose, I mean I'm sure you've already said that you like this band, so why the hell say it again, especially when it is irrelevant

Because.






































I wanted to post.
Stop whining its a forum.

Oh and on topic. What makes a Crackrock steady band. Is it the members or the sound really?

[sketchyjoe]

Members.

[pedro durruti]

It's a forum that doesn't need useless posts

[Brain Toad]

Members make it part of the seven
But Crakc Rock Steady could be used as a decription for the sound LoC, CV, Morning Glory (to an extent) and No-Cash have

[SantaDuJuan]

It's a forum that doesn't need useless posts

It's a forum. Not real life.
It's not that important.
If you care about it that much. Then you really need to do something else with the internet.

[Forest_Fire]

Who are all the members?

[SantaDuJuan]

Who are all the members?

Well I hear that there is maybe 7 Crackrock Steady bands.

[Forest_Fire]

I meant the induvidual people in the bands

[AIRIC]

Not bands, members.

So, any new albums coming soon?

[KingOfSka]

Wait, Ska_Pirate do you want to know 7 Crack Rock Steady Bands, or the members in Crack Rock Steady 7

[Brain Toad]

There are 7 members, thats why its called the Crack Rock Steady Seve, not Seven bands. And I don't know all their names.

[IrishPunk07]

since they dont have a drummer and stza is playing acoustic shows...

[KingOfSka]

There are 7 members, thats why its called the Crack Rock Steady Seve, not Seven bands. And I don't know all their names.

Who do you think might be in CRS7. Someone from InDK, Stza, someone from Morning Glory, who else?

[Brain Toad]

Who do you think might be in CRS7. Someone from InDK, Stza, someone from Morning Glory, who else?

Stza - LoC, CV
Ezra - LoC, Morning Glory, InDK(?)
Alec - LoC, CV
Ara - LoC, CV(?)
Brandon - LoC

That's all I can think of.

I know the drummer from F-Minus is one, but I don't remember his name.

[Unseen2k0]

Stza - LoC, CV
Ezra - LoC, Morning Glory, InDK(?)
Alec - LoC, CV
Ara - LoC, CV(?)
Brandon - LoC

That's all I can think of.

I know the drummer from F-Minus is one, but I don't remember his name.

It's LoC + 2 other guys.

[pedro durruti]

It's a forum. Not real life.
It's not that important.
If you care about it that much. Then you really need to do something else with the internet.
Oh **** it's not real life? You mean I'm still a virgin?? OM GGGGGGG

Dude, I'm just saying there's no need for your spam, I'm not saying that it's vital that you don't make irrelevant posts but what's the point?

[Unseen2k0]

Oh **** it's not real life? You mean I'm still a virgin?? OM GGGGGGG

Dude, I'm just saying there's no need for your spam, I'm not saying that it's vital that you don't make irrelevant posts but what's the point?

Shhh. Please. Just shhhh.

[SantaDuJuan]

Oh **** it's not real life? You mean I'm still a virgin?? OM GGGGGGG

Dude, I'm just saying there's no need for your spam, I'm not saying that it's vital that you don't make irrelevant posts but what's the point?


Anyways! I actually downloaded some of the LoC albums and I have a near place in my heart.

[Buzzbomb]

I just bought F'uck World Trade, holy s'hit its awesome. Every song on that album is great, but whats up with the Rock the 40 oz. video?

[Twat_Out_Of_Hell]

Does anyone have a link to the rock the 40oz video, or could anyone send it to me?

Cheers

[Unseen2k0]

IM me later tonight and I'll send it to you. I won't be home for like 9 hours though. It's very low budget, made by LoC and Team Spider.

[GlobalCannibal]

Left over Crack are a bunch of tossers anyway.

coming from a kid who likes the ramones and rancid :amaze:

[Twat_Out_Of_Hell]

IM me later tonight and I'll send it to you. I won't be home for like 9 hours though. It's very low budget, made by LoC and Team Spider.

Cheers, but i don't have aim. Can anyone send it through msn, it would be very much appreciated?

[KingOfSka]

I have it, if you want it add me on msn, average_dan4th@hotmail.com

[KingOfSka]

It's very low budget

Hahaha, what an understatement.

[Twat_Out_Of_Hell]

I have it, if you want it add me on msn, average_dan4th@hotmail.com

thanks, i've added you

[Jessizzle]

Thats gay you need quick time to open it :angry:

[Buzzbomb]

Why do LoC like the columbine shooting?

[DrGolovaCroxby]

Because they are fags.

[cheeser_1]

Thats gay you need quick time to open it :angry:you and croxby both. shame on you.


and they were into the columbine thing because it was yet another clear case of society berating people as a form of social control. bullying, hazing, beating, these are all generally ignored, tolerated, or accepted among young kids - it's becoming an increasingly serious problem, especially as children are becoming a target for political indoctrinization, brainwashing, and toolery. toolery is the new word i've made up. it means "the practice of turning people into socio-political tools."

and so these kids were just one of the many instances (one of the more exaggerated instances, mind you) where the system had a bit of a backfire.

[SlappedByTheClash]

I saw FWT in FYE the other day...


The ironing.


THis thread is bumpable past the 3rd page, right? If not, oh well.

[TheNowhereman42]

I thought it was banned from all record stors or something

[Brain Toad]

I saw FWT in FYE the other day...


The ironing.


THis thread is bumpable past the 3rd page, right? If not, oh well.


It can be bumped at anytime.

[KingOfSka]

FWT in FYE

hm?

[sketchyjoe]

Oh no! ACRONYM HELL!!!

[antiflag311]

their second guitarist brad logan was in f-minus, but got kicked out like two years ago and joined loc .stza just sings now.
stza stoll plays guitar and the only guitarists in the band are him and ezra

Leftover crack suck. Choking victim are good though.
you are dumb they sound almost exactly the same

LoC sucks big balls anyway.
your dumb kill yourself


MODEDIT: Try not to triple post, and try harder to spell properly.

[antiflag311]

Yeh, but guess who induced the riots.
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate LoC, but they seem like they just seem to always go back and forth on their opinions.
its not like their afraid they have all their equipment and everything and if they got caught theyd get blamed for the whole thing

[antiflag311]

they stand for whatever is controversial and will get them attention, because the music isnt good enough
have you ever heard their music i hope not because if you did you are a retard their music is amazing i can see how people can not like their lyrics but i love it and they are all better musicians than you will ever be

[TheNowhereman42]

He was saying that they shouldn't have started the riots if they were gonna run away.

And just for the record CV are a lot different from LoC, if only because CV plays way more ska

[Brain Toad]

Jesus dude are you going to reply to everyone in the thread?

[TheNowhereman42]

and you are also annoying

oops, not you nick

[Unseen2k0]

stza stoll plays guitar and the only guitarists in the band are him and ezra

you are dumb they sound almost exactly the same

your dumb kill yourself

Stza does *not* play guitar anymore. Brad and Erza do.
Choknig Victim has a lot more upbeats and less experimental stuff, and the lyrics are about different things.
You're dumb. Kill yourself.

its not like their afraid they have all their equipment and everything and if they got caught theyd get blamed for the whole thing

That would be being afraid. Do not defend them when you can't. It defeats the point, you just make yourself look dumb, and them bad.

have you ever heard their music i hope not because if you did you are a retard their music is amazing i can see how people can not like their lyrics but i love it and they are all better musicians than you will ever be

That is what most the Green Day fans say to me too. It's called "personal opinion" or you can use the phrase "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

Either way, quit being an asshole about it.

[cheeser_1]

That is what most the Green Day fans say to me too. It's called "personal opinion" or you can use the phrase "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

Either way, quit being an asshole about it.
i don't like this kid sometimes, but i'm going to have to agree 100%

and way to make an idiot of yourself. saying that stza and ezra were the only guitarists in the band when you were totally wrong.

[rancidrocksmyworld]

who cares?...
rancid are good
leftover crack are good
..thats all that matters

i agree

[bryce_the_cat]

i thought Stza was a member of the Wu-Tang Clan

You have Stza confused with the RZA and the GZA. :amaze:

[Buzzbomb]

Wu Tang suck. How anyone can confuse LoC with them is pretty ****ed.

[SactoUnited]

Wu Tang>LoC

[SactoUnited]

Why do LoC like the columbine shooting?
I might be wrong, but in one of the album booklets they say it was ****ed up. I think the "shoot the kids at school" thing was out of sarcasm.

[SlappedByTheClash]

have you ever heard their music i hope not because if you did you are a retard their music is amazing i can see how people can not like their lyrics but i love it and they are all better musicians than you will ever be


This kid sucks.


No respect for others at all.

[echos]

well loc's music isn't amazing...it's good though..considering i can't even get far enough on the frets of my acoustic to play have the stuff, and they've got some fun basslines too. Wasn't the cover of fu'ck world trade mocking the actual buildings rather then the victims in them anyway? and i like they're lyrics but when i heard one dead cop i couldn't help but chuckle