Rock and Metal's Black Sabbath Thread

[shadow_stalker]

Look into getting 'headless cross', it has tony martin on vocals and is a brilliant album (but is quite heavy on the whole satanic stereotype of rock/metal music)

[Stevie]

Thank you.

[rippa32]

I was considering getting Cross Purposes a while ago while I was in the city because you never find stuff like that in music shops where I live, its hard enough getting the Ozzy ones, but I chose Queensryche's Warning instead. I kinda regret that.

[rippa32]

Ahhh its dyieng again. Trivia again I suppose. Who was originally planned to do drums on the Dehuminizer album?

[Brew]

Ahhh its dyieng again. Trivia again I suppose. Who was originally planned to do drums on the Dehuminizer album?

Cozy Powell, but he hates Dio and quit.

[Brew]

Personally I think Dio is great, and if I can find the money I'll be buying his new DVD.

[Brew]

Meh, I've had this discussion too many times to want to have it again.

[rippa32]

I don't think its because we have had it too many times, its because it hasnt been that long since the last time it was seriously discussed. But still atm its probably best to ignore the ignorant.
But anyway what would Cozy have against Dio I wonder, they had worked together before in Rainbow.

[rippa32]

who doesnt hate dio??



\m/

Wait, did you jus say you hate Dio and then use the hand thingo he brought to the masses? Please explain.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Bruuuuuuutally owned.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

you should probably just shut up before you make a fool of yourself more.

[Josh]

Dio pwns, i actually prefer Dio-era Sabbath to Ozzy-era Sabbath, he's such an awesome singer.

in non-Sabbath news, i saw Ozzy last week on the Prince's Trust anniversary tv thing, and he actually managed to sing decently, unlike at the Hall of Fame induction.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I saw a recent live video and he didn't sound nearly as bad as I expected.

[Father]

Look into getting 'headless cross', it has tony martin on vocals and is a brilliant album (but is quite heavy on the whole satanic stereotype of rock/metal music)

Yeh its pretty good. IMO

[shadow_stalker]

i shall say this once more Martin > all other sabbath singers (IMO)


im not sure which sabbath albumto get next, maybe a Dio one i ony have dehumanizer with him singingand from what ive heard of each side i prefer his work with sabbath to his solo stuff

[Brew]

Heaven and Hell!
Heaven and Hell!
Heaven and Hell!

...get Heaven and Hell :)

[rippa32]

I agree, or go with a Rainbow album hes good in that too. So when you say Martin is the best does that mean you like that era best or you just think hes the most talented?

[Cocaine]

i shall say this once more Martin > all other sabbath singers (IMO)


im not sure which sabbath albumto get next, maybe a Dio one i ony have dehumanizer with him singingand from what ive heard of each side i prefer his work with sabbath to his solo stuff
Heaven and Hell.

[rippa32]

Looks like Heaven And Hell is the way to go :thumb:

[shadow_stalker]

so when you say heaven and hell does that mean you think i should get never say die? :p


I agree, or go with a Rainbow album hes good in that too. So when you say Martin is the best does that mean you like that era best or you just think hes the most talented?
i just think he is the best singer sabbath have had, great voice matches the music very well, jsut wish i had some live stuff from when he was with them


Andy is the story of... vol 2 worth getting?

[Brew]

Get both albums.

The Vol.2 DVD is only really good for the videos, if you find it for about £7 or less then buy it.

//

I went to Monsters of Rock yesterday, it was great :D

[shadow_stalker]

cool, who was palying?

[Brew]

Deep Purple, Alice Cooper, Journey, Thunder, Queensryche, Ted Nugent and Roadstar.

DP were kinda meh, I didn't really get into their set that well due to being tired from an amazing Alice Cooper set to which I was able to sing along to every song. Journey were good seeing as I'd never heard them before, Thunder were excellent, Queensryche were a good for a piss break, Ted Nugent was kinda crap yet kinda funny at the same time and Roadstar were alright for a young band.

I have the Alice setlist in a dodgy order on my laptop, I'll post it if anyones interested.

[Cocaine]

That seems like the kind of show where the crowd would be just as entertaining as the music.

[Brew]

The crowd sucked, there were no traditional Monsters bottle fights and everyone stood still pretty much, it was really hot though..probably too hot for mosh pits.

[666Ozzfan]

And this is why it sucks to live in NZ!!!! We hardly ever get any good bands!!!! Although I did get to see Joe Cocker. That was really good! I grew up with his music around the house, so I love his music

[rippa32]

Australia gets the same, its because of the population being too small. In fact the only reason Deep Purple came was because of a petetion. I was going to but no-one wanted to come too and I wasn't going to pay $150 to see Deep Purple without Ritchie Blackmore and Jon Lord.

[shadow_stalker]

Australia gets Dungeon/LORD, thats something you have over the rest of the world.

damn americans get sonata arctica :angry:


i would love to see Alice cooper live, i was gonna go last december (about then) to see them in newcastle but it sold out before i could get a ticket (and finding people to go with aswell)

[Brew]

You guys have got to see Alice live before he retires/dies, his current setlist is full of classics from his 70's albums, the rough order of the one from MOR is:

Department of Youth
No More Mister Nice Guy
Dirty Diamonds
Billion Dollar Babies
Lost In America
I'm Eighteen
You Drive Me Nervous
Feed My Frankenstein
Go To Hell
Is It My Body
I Never Cry
Welcome to my Nightmare
The Black Widow (instrumental)
The Awakening/Steven/Only Women Bleed
Killer/Ballad of Dwight Fry
Be My Lover
I Love the Dead (instrumental)
School's Out

Poison
Under My Wheels

Its in order upto Billion Dollar Babies, after that its not in order.

[rippa32]

What are the ones after the space? Are they encore ones?

[rippa32]

Has anyone actually been to a recent Black Sabbath concert? Are they any good live still?

[WhiteVolta7]

awesome thread sabbath owns the only bad thing is when they get stereotyped as like a hair band i kno its sounds ridiculous but kids at my school look at them in that way.

[rippa32]

Probably because of the way they dressed onstage sometimes, still that was only occasional. Btw are thes kids into Nu-Metal at all?

[shadow_stalker]

i really need some more alice cooper albums, i only have billion dollar babies and trash (im sure Jon bon jovi sings on one of the tracks from trash, sounds alot like him)

any suggestions which i should get Andy (im sure ve asked before but it will be over a hundred pages back by now)

Has anyone actually been to a recent Black Sabbath concert? Are they any good live still?
I didnt think sabbath were doing anything atm, i thought Iommi and Geezer were doing solo stuff

[Brew]

Love it to Death
Killer
School's Out
Welcome to my Nightmare
Goes to Hell
Hey Stoopid
The Last Temptation
Dragontown

They're the essential must-own-or-you-suck-bell Alice Cooper albums (in my opinion)

[shadow_stalker]

ok, to amazon!!!

[rippa32]

Well it's nice to see this thread going again. Does anyone here have the Never Say Die! DVD and know what type of pickups Iommi's guitar has in them for that concert?

[shadow_stalker]

i just realised i havnt actually made any Sabbath related purchases in months, everytime i am about to buy one i see some obscure power metal band that calls to me :upset:

when i get some money im gonna make a huge effort to buy heaven and hell...and maybe never say die or technical esctasy

[Ghoul Hunter]

/puts forth a toastt to the past/rpresent regs!

[rippa32]

i just realised i havnt actually made any Sabbath related purchases in months, everytime i am about to buy one i see some obscure power metal band that calls to me :upset:

when i get some money im gonna make a huge effort to buy heaven and hell...and maybe never say die or technical esctasy

I would suggest Heaven and Hell first.

/puts forth a toastt to the past/rpresent regs!

what?

[shadow_stalker]

yeah i was wondering about what he was on about aswell.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Haha, sorry guys. This is the thread starter, Josh. :) I was quite high when I posted that.

[rippa32]

Hey, havent seen you in a while, couldve been the bannings. Tis nice to see you back.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Thanks :chug:

[Brew]

'sup :chug:

I'd make a Sabbath purchase in the near future, but the albums that I want/need are the obscure ones from the 90's that are difficult to get hold of :(

[Ghoul Hunter]

I haven't talked to you in forever! How's it going man?

[Brew]

Life is good at the moment - my band is doing well (linkage (http://www.myspace.com/nebularfrostmetal)), have been with my girlfriend for just over 2months, w00t and I'm 1 exam away from a near 3-month long summer...but I should really get a job...

Hows things with you?

[Ghoul Hunter]

Good band. I have a black metal project going too, mainly ambient stuff. http://myspace.com/asgardflorida

I'm doing pretty good I guess. Not much changes over here.

[Sabbath_N_Soundgarden]

Favourite Album:
Master of Reality- Last 3 songs are phenomenally awesome. Not to discredit the first 5 though, the whole bloody thing's great. Lord of This World and Into The Void alone, however, make me want to start up my own cover band just to play the stuff live everytime I listen to them.

Honourable mentions: Vol.4, Black Sabbath, Paranoid (over-played/overrated self-titled song, but War Pigs is too epic to deny no matter how popular it is, and Planet Caravan, Electric Funeral, and Fairies Wear Boots are all key Sabbath songs)

Only own the Ozzy years (all the studio albums at least), post-Ozzy has never caught my fancy the times I've given it a chance. Love it all but I find they start to get weak on Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (starts off well, trails off after Sabbra) and decline from there. Still some great songs on the last couple albums none-the-less.

[rippa32]

What about Sabotage? The first side has some really awesome heavy tracks and the proggier stuff on side two is nothing short of brilliant (except Am I Going Insane, which is one reason you shouldnt let Ozzy write the majority of a song.)
Also check out Born Again, it has more in common with Ozzy eras than Dio stuff so you might like that.

[Brew]

Am I Going Insane (Radio) is a great song!

[rippa32]

Haha, each to their own I suppose. It is just a but too "pop" for me but meh.

[pate]

, post-Ozzy has never caught my fancy the times I've given it a chance.


.......you don't like the Dio stuff? Or the Tony Martin stuff?

Wow.

[shadow_stalker]

Am I Going Insane (Radio) is a great song!
god i hate that song so much


on a lighter note i orderd an Alice cooper live dvd from amazon the other day "trashes the world" i think it was

[rippa32]

.......you don't like the Dio stuff? Or the Tony Martin stuff?

Wow.

I like this guy, lol. Actually most people here just discredit anything ozzy wasn't on, that other guy (Sabbath_N_Soundgarden) seemed to have a plausible opinion though.

[Brew]

god i hate that song so much


on a lighter note i orderd an Alice cooper live dvd from amazon the other day "trashes the world" i think it was

My Dad was at that Alice gig.

[6stringed]

Never Say Die
great video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8ZsazwWqHk

ha Ozzy's got kinda Janis Joplin lookin hair.. sorry Ozzy

[shadow_stalker]

My Dad was at that Alice gig.
your dads cool, hes like the ultimate metal parent

Never Say Die
great video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8ZsazwWqHk

ha Ozzy's got kinda Janis Joplin lookin hair.. sorry Ozzy
thats on the storey of... vol 1

hehehe top of the pops ftw :p

[Brew]

The video of Paranoid on The Story of Vol.1 is so badly mimed its unreal.

[rippa32]

Ive heard that the Sabbath Bloody Sabbath video is out of sync as well and had the ending missing. Did they cut out the second bit on the single because it didnt fit the mainstream all too well?

Anyway it's nice to see this thread going again.

[shadow_stalker]

the sabbath bloody sabbath video does have the end cut, as for the timing parts of it look like ozzy is really crap at synching then other parts it looks like he is just pissing about so its kind of hard to tell whats going on

[rippa32]

I should really get that DVD, I might get The Last Supper as well.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Just a question, are any of you guys into any Doom?

[rippa32]

I am, in fact I have just started posting in the Stoner/Doom thread.

Although ive always felt that only the first 4 Sabbath albums influenced doom, the rest although heavy kinda lost the "Doom" sound to it.

[pate]

Just a question, are any of you guys into any Doom?

I'm a huge fan of doom.

[Brew]

Doom is still a kickass game, the sub-genre of metal is pretty kickass aswell.

[Deth]

I just aquired Sabbath's first 3 albums

:eek:

I need more Sabbath fast. I'm planning on getting Vol 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Heaven and Hell rather quickly.

[shadow_stalker]

i think the only doom stuff i really have is Cathedral, still kicks arse though

[rippa32]

Doom is still a kickass game, the sub-genre of metal is pretty kickass aswell.

Hehe, doom is a good game.

Also to Deth, theres some good choices there I would also add Sabotage to that list.

[pate]

I just aquired Sabbath's first 3 albums

:eek:

I need more Sabbath fast. I'm planning on getting Vol 4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Heaven and Hell rather quickly.

I would recommend you Mob Rules. It's my favorite Sabbath album.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Mob Rules is fantastic.

[Brew]

Nuts to making a list of albums to buy...buy them all!

[rippa32]

I agree :thumb:, but considering buying them all at the same time is kinda silly. A list is a nice way to prioritise(sp) I think.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I just got Black Sabbath and Reunion from the library :cool:

[rippa32]

Hey nice. Is reunion any good? I already have Past Lives and i'm not in any rush for another live album.

[pate]

Reunion sucks hard.

[rippa32]

Whats wrong with it? Ozzy's ageing vocals? The greatest hits style setlist?

[pate]

Mainly the vocals. As I recall, the sound isn't that great either. And Ozzy never shuts up also, during non-vocal parts.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

It's not that bad.

[pate]

Ah, maybe I just don't like live albums with Ozzy on them, as I detest Past Lives/Live at Last even more than I detest Reunion.

[rippa32]

Really? I found Past Lives to be very good.

[shadow_stalker]

Hey nice. Is reunion any good? I already have Past Lives and i'm not in any rush for another live album.
i think reunion is a very good live album, not up to the standards of past lives but still very good. despite what alot of people think i still say ozzy sounds good on it, maybe not as good as he was in the past but compare it to last years ozzfest performances by sabbath and it blows them away

And Ozzy never shuts up also, during non-vocal parts.
would you prefer if he just sang the words then just stood still while the insturmental parts are on? one of the reasons i like listening to sabbath live is because they get the crowd going and talk to them (well ozzy does Iommi just stands there like a log and moves about 2 foot during the whole set), its alot better than when bands go up play their msuic then bugger off at the end of the night

[pate]

would you prefer if he just sang the words then just stood still while the insturmental parts are on? one of the reasons i like listening to sabbath live is because they get the crowd going and talk to them (well ozzy does Iommi just stands there like a log and moves about 2 foot during the whole set), its alot better than when bands go up play their msuic then bugger off at the end of the night

Well, I would rather him shut the hell up during guitar solos, for starters.

[shadow_stalker]

he deosnt talk non stop through all of them, there are just parts where he does abit more talking than others

[rippa32]

I never noticed him talking during guitar solos in Past Lives.

[pate]

I meant Reunion.

[rippa32]

Ah, I just assumed you were reffering to what Ozzy does live in general. I gotta admit though talking during a solo is kinda disrespectful to Iommi.

[pate]

Agreed.

[rippa32]

Has anyone here seen Ozzy live with sabbath or solo? Id always heard he put on a good show but he was a bit boring from what I saw on the Never Say Die DVD.

[shadow_stalker]

i was going to see him but he had his quad crash the day after i bought a ticket :(

i chose to see ozzy over Iron Maiden aswell

[rippa32]

To be honest I would have chosen Iron Maiden, but I hadn't even discovered rock/metal then so its kinda irrelevant.

[shadow_stalker]

it was back in the days when i just started listening to decent metal and i wasnt as big of a Maiden fan as an ozzy one, i still prefer ozzy to maiden but i would probably chsoe maiden over ozzy these days

[pate]

Has anyone here seen Ozzy live with sabbath or solo? Id always heard he put on a good show but he was a bit boring from what I saw on the Never Say Die DVD.

I saw him with Sabbath. Excellent set, until his voice cracked and he ran off for 10 minutes. But it was ok, because Tony led them in a impromptu jam.

[Brew]

I saw Ozzy solo, from what I remember it was good, though it annoys me how he has to tell everyone how he loves us every 5 seconds...

The Ozzy Live at Budokan DVD is worth getting to see good Ozzy solo show.

[rippa32]

I saw Ozzy solo, from what I remember it was good, though it annoys me how he has to tell everyone how he loves us every 5 seconds...


Haha Ive noticed that on Past Lives and Never Say Die!. At least hes appreciative I suppose.

[Kreator2112]

I downloaded Master of Reality again last night..so good.

[pate]

I downloaded Master of Reality again last night..so good.

Indeed. It's quite possibly my favorite Ozzy-era album.

[sabbath1991]

yes i concur, it's very bluesy and one hell of an album. i also am very much into sabatoge and self titled also some of their softer works, people diss ozzy to much too

[rippa32]

Sabotage I think is an incredibly underrated album. Also its better than Sabbath Bloody Sabbath imo.

[Vegetaman]

Early Black Sabbath albums had mass quantities of awesomeness that stemmed from alot of the bluesy elements that Iommi had in his guitar playing. And yes, Sabotage was much better than Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (except the track SBS itself, because it owned hard).

[rippa32]

If sabbath bloody sabbath was on Sabotage instead of Am I going Insane it would be a perfect album, although I suppose Sabbath Bloody Sabbath wouldnt really fit with the other songs on sabotage.

[pate]

If sabbath bloody sabbath was on Sabotage instead of Am I going Insane it would be a perfect album, although I suppose Sabbath Bloody Sabbath wouldnt really fit with the other songs on sabotage.


I actually sort of like Am I Going Insane...in the most masculine way possible.

[rippa32]

Haha. The only thing I like about it is those odd laughing noises at the end of it. But that chorus is just terrible.

[MrRhodes]

What does everyone prefer, Ozzy (solo stuff) or Black Sabbath? I'd have to say Ozzy, no idea why just prefer the sound and Randy rules the world but Black Sabbath are still amazing of course:p

[bodger]

vol. 4 is the best sabbath album, sabotage kinda blows^^^

[pate]

What does everyone prefer, Ozzy (solo stuff) or Black Sabbath? I'd have to say Ozzy, no idea why just prefer the sound and Randy rules the world but Black Sabbath are still amazing of course:p

Black Sabbath by 300,000 miles. No comparison.

Dio era > Tony Martin era > Ozzy era >>>>> Ozzy solo

[rippa32]

Side B (Tracks 4-8 for u non-vinyl owners out there) does take a bit to get used to but after a while they really grow on you (except Am I Going Insane). And Side A is just some awesome heavy stuff. What about Sabotage don't you like?

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I prefer Sabbath by far, but Ozzy's solo stuff is fun.

Dio's solo material is also fantastic.

[pate]

Indeed. Everything Dio's ever done has been excellent.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I've only heard Holy Diver, but it's great.

[FatalEnergy]

The Last In Line is a Dio classic too.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I've heard a couple of tracks off that one.

[FatalEnergy]

Apparently his new stuff is really good, but I haven't heard any of it.

[rippa32]

I have Last In Line and Sacred Heart from his solo career. Ive got to admit there both quite weak, I think its mainly Vivian Cambell.

[shadow_stalker]

What does everyone prefer, Ozzy (solo stuff) or Black Sabbath? I'd have to say Ozzy, no idea why just prefer the sound and Randy rules the world but Black Sabbath are still amazing of course:p
it all depends how am feeling that day, sometimes the darker sabbath stuff sounds better but other times the more lively sound that ozzys solo stuff had is better


i need to get more Dio solo stuff, i have only have a "best of" album, i also need to get some more Tony Martin stuff

[Brew]

I've not heard any Sabbath for ages :(

For anyone who wants to get into stuff that Dio has done over the years, these are the essential purchases:

Ronnie James Dio - The Elf Albums (can normally be found in the Dio section at Virgin Megastore)
Rainbow - Ritchie Blackmores Rainbow, Rising, Long Live Rock n Roll
Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell, Live Evil
Dio - Holy Diver, Dream Evil (I don't know a huge amount of his solo stuff, but those 2 albums are great)

[shadow_stalker]

i always meant to get some elf but never got round to it, ah well i think i need to take a break from buying cds its eating into my money alot lately

[rippa32]

But first you must get Rainbow Rising, it's on of the greatest albums ever recorded imo. Nothing beats "A Light In The Black".

[shadow_stalker]

meh might do.

i realised today that i havnt listend to a full sabbath album in like 3 months :o

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I've been worshipping Sabbath Bloody Sabbath lately.

[rippa32]

Well my Black Sabbath s/t LP came in the mail today. I havnt been able to listen to it yet though because I still have to wait for a needle to come for my turntable since I broke the old one. What I'm so excited about is it's an original pressing, there are no dates on it but I can tell because the background on the inside of the gatefold is black with white writing and not vice versa. I would have pictures but the only digital camera I have is my phone and I have no way of getting those pics onto my computer.

[Deth]

I've been worshipping Sabbath Bloody Sabbath lately.
Me too! Bought it last week or so.

A National Acrobat is amazing.

[lamb_of_goddrummer]

All praise Sabbath.

[Brew]

Well my Black Sabbath s/t LP came in the mail today. I havnt been able to listen to it yet though because I still have to wait for a needle to come for my turntable since I broke the old one. What I'm so excited about is it's an original pressing, there are no dates on it but I can tell because the background on the inside of the gatefold is black with white writing and not vice versa. I would have pictures but the only digital camera I have is my phone and I have no way of getting those pics onto my computer.

Bastard!

How much did it cost you?

Actually...whats the track listing for it? If its got both Evil Woman and Wicked World on it then its not a 1st, if it has Wicked World on it then its a 1st American, if its got Evil Woman then its a 1st England/Rest of World edition.

[rippa32]

It has Evil Woman and I payed $12.50AUS for it, I just got lucky I guess. Also its nowhere near mint condition but im still very happy.

[Brew]

Bah

[rippa32]

What? I don't understand.

Btw I got the stylus and I think it's a very good album, my favourite parts are definately the Sleeping Village/Warning bit.

[rippa32]

Threads dying again. Ill try trivia again, just remember this question could be quite hard.

When Geezer Butler was a kid what did he want to be when he grew up?

[Brew]

*uber-bump*

So..anyone looking forward to the possible Heaven and Hell shows next year?

I am!

[rippa32]

So am I!!! Is what I would say if they came to Australia. I hope they at least release a DVD of the Monsters Of Rock festival or something.

It's great seeing this thread back.

[pate]

I will blow a gasket if they don't come to Chicago

[Apocalyptic Raids]

ugh couldn't you just make a new thread? I'm sure there would be much more discussion that way.

[Deth]

I will slaughter a helpless village to see them if I have to.

[rippa32]

There history behind this thread :thumb:

[Apocalyptic Raids]

There history behind this thread :thumb:
So? I would rather see a new thread with people other than you, Brew and Deth talking about Black Sabbath.

[rippa32]

Im sure other people will post in this thread. Why would they not just because its old?

[Deth]

I have like 3 posts in here. They all just happen to be on this page :lol:.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Because how many people besides 3 or 4 old thread regulars are going to reply to this
*uber-bump*

So..anyone looking forward to the possible Heaven and Hell shows next year?

I am!
Rather than a new thread asking a different question.

[rippa32]

Okay I see your point but its done now. It's be silly to start a new one now while this is on the first page.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Yeah, I know.

Maybe when it dies again I will make a new one :)

If I remember :(

[rippa32]

It might not die this time. So has anyone heard the rumours there will be another studio album with Ozzy after the Ozzfest next year? Im not too optimistic after hearing the studio tracks on Reunion. But alot of people are going to like it just because it has Ozzy one it. Which is stupid because it will probably sound nothing like the original Ozzy era stuff which is why people didn't like post-ozzy.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I think I remember hearing something about it, but I don't know whether it would be any good. I'd rather hear a new album with Dio, since he is probably in better shape.

[rippa32]

Well that's true but I think he is pretty happy with his solo career for the moment. It just annoys me that people prefer Ozzy just because it's Ozzy and won't even give the other stuff a chance. Also Ive always thought it would be nice if Ozzy sang some Dio, Gillan or Martin songs live. They had to sing his.

[pate]

He wouldn't be able to sing any songs from the other eras. And I would die hearing him butcher "Children of the Sea" or something.

[rippa32]

Oh yer didn't think of that. There's also the fact that he himself honestly thinks the only real Black Sabbath was with him in it.

[Brew]

Ozzy can barely sing his own songs let alone the Dio/Gillan/Martin ones!

Rumour has it that every Black Sabbath album will be remastered and re-released over the next few years with added bonus tracks etc...apparently there are alot of odd demos and non-used songs floating around from the Tony Martin era, hearing those would be great.


Also, making a new Sabbath thread would be retarded.

[rippa32]

^ I agree. Im sceptical about the Ozzy re-releases though, we might get song for jim or the rebel but I don't know what else.

[Leper]

Oh yer didn't think of that. There's also the fact that he himself honestly thinks the only real Black Sabbath was with him in it.

I, too, think the only real Black Sabbath was with Ozzy in it. Sure, maybe Dio and Gillan were better technical vocalists, but they weren't right for Sabbath IMO.

[rippa32]

Do you not like it because they changed the style of music? Because the Ozzy stuff was always changing. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath didn't sound like Master Of Reality for example.

[Collis]

Nothing beats "A Light In The Black".

Stargazer?

:thumb:

[pate]

I, too, think the only real Black Sabbath was with Ozzy in it. Sure, maybe Dio and Gillan were better technical vocalists, but they weren't right for Sabbath IMO.

*shakes head*

[PinkFreud]

He wouldn't be able to sing any songs from the other eras. And I would die hearing him butcher "Children of the Sea" or something.
He'd probably die trying to do Disturbing The Priest. That's some of Gillan's best work, Ozzy couldn't touch it.

[pate]

Or the Tony Martin stuff

"Crooooooooooooooosss of *dies*"

[Leper]

Do you not like it because they changed the style of music? Because the Ozzy stuff was always changing. Sabbath Bloody Sabbath didn't sound like Master Of Reality for example.

No, I just don't find the others interesting because they didn't posess that edge that Ozzy brought, and I think that was what set Sabbath apart. After Ozzy left, to me, they just became an ordinary rock band.

[pate]

For me,

Dio era > Martin era > Ozzy era

[Leper]

Like, to give you an example of my taste, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is my favourite album. Every song on that album sounds nearly perfect to me, mostly because it's Ozzy at his best.

[PinkFreud]

I still like the Ozzy era best, then Dio, and I lose interest pretty quickly after that.

[rippa32]

At least give Born Again a try, its very good.

[pate]

Like, to give you an example of my taste, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is my favourite album. Every song on that album sounds nearly perfect to me, mostly because it's Ozzy at his best.

My favorite is Mob Rules.

[Brew]

To pick a favourite (or two..maybe three) from each era for me...

Ozzy years - Volume.4, Sabotage, Never Say Die!
Dio years - Heaven and Hell, Live Evil (best live Sabbath album IMO)
Martin years - TYR

[rippa32]

I pretty much agree with you there. Id probably put the debut or Master Of Reality instead of Never Say Die! though. Not to say Never Say Die! is bad, just not one of my favourites.

[pate]

Ozzy Years - Master of Reality
Dio Years - Mob Rules
Martin Years - Cross Purposes

[rippa32]

Id like to get Cross Purposes actually, I just never seem to find it anywhere. Might have to go ebay, thats where I got TYR.

[pate]

I got Cross Purposes new for 3 dollars two years ago. :):)

[PinkFreud]

No love for the Gillan...album.

[pate]

Yeah...I left it out because there is no "favorite Gillan era" album....there is THE Gillan era album.

[Cocaine]

Lee you pick Mob Rules over Heaven and Hell!? WTF?

[pate]

Mob Rules is my favorite Sabbath album. Heaven and Hell has a few classic tracks, but a ton of weak spots, where Mob Rules is top notch all the way through, except for ****ing E5150.

[rippa32]

Whats wrong with a bit of keyboard instrumental (that's what it is isn't it? I don't have Mob Rules, yet.). It worked perfectly in TYR.

[pate]

It's like three minutes of horrible electronic noise.

And Tyr is a horribly underrated album.

[rippa32]

I agree, all Tony Martin one's are. However I just don't understand the reasoning behind Feels Good To Me, it's good but doesn't fit with the Norse mythology theme.

[Brew]

The record label forced the band to have a radio friendly song to release as a single from TYR, hence why Feels Good To Me got tacked on the end.

I nearly bought Seventh Star today, found it for £5. The choice of a new Sabbath album to add to my collection or lunch next week..lunch won :-\

[rippa32]

I suppose you could have eaten the album if you got hungry :thumb:

I still think Feels Good To Me should have been a non-album single. I actually put the TYR CD on with it programmed to skip Feels Good To Me and going from Valhalla to Heaven In Black just felt right.

[rippa32]

So what album's don't you have brew?

[pate]

I've been on a total Sabbath binge the last three days. Just yesterday I went through like 60-some tracks, and I've been back at it today.

[rippa32]

It's the way to go :thumb:

[Cocaine]

Mob Rules is so underrated.

[Leper]

Mob Rules is my favorite Sabbath album. Heaven and Hell has a few classic tracks, but a ton of weak spots

One of those weak spots being the title track IMO.

[Cocaine]

Srsly?!

Heaven and Hell is one of my favourite Doomy metal tracks.

edit: 6000th post in a thread I rarely frequent. Heheh.

[Leper]

Srsly?!

Heaven and Hell is one of my favourite Doomy metal tracks.

edit: 6000th post in a thread I rarely frequent. Heheh.

Meh, I find it incredibly generic and boring.

[rippa32]

Generic? Maybe now, but at the time i'm sure it was reasonably fresh sounding.

[pate]

Heaven and Hell is one of my 5 favorite Sabbath songs.

What is everyone's favorite Tony Martin album?

Mine is Tyr easily, followed by probably Headless Cross.

[Brew]

So what album's don't you have brew?

Seventh Star
Cross Purposes
Cross Purposes Live
Forbidden

The thing is though, due to every other Sabbath album I own (except for Paranoid, TYR and Dehumanizer) coming from vinyl, I'd quite like to someday have them all on cd in fancy remastered form.

If I really wanted to be tr00 Sabbath collector I'd buy all the compilation albums they've released..but I really can't be bothered.

[pate]

All the comps are annoying.

[rippa32]

I agree. You might as well buy the first three albums, that pretty much covers you for the majority of compilations.

[BOG180]

Mob Rules is so underrated.
I think all the non Ozzy albums were very, very underrated compared to the Ozzy ones.

Tony Iommi was my main influence on playing guitar, as sabbath as been my favorite band for a long time.

[pate]

Tony is at worst my third favorite guitar player. He's just so incredible.

[rippa32]

I agree but you have to admit some of his extended solo's can get sloppy sometimes.

[PinkFreud]

His sloppiness is charming though.

I always think of how awesome he is when I listen to Sabbath but when I'm not, it's like I totally forget about him. It's weird.

[rippa32]

He's actually a bit of an idol of mine :rolleyes: . He wasn't what got me into guitar (that was seeing friends play and thought it looked fun) but I get alot of influence from him in my playing. Also the more obscure stuff he did with Sabbath like the jazzy or bluesy stuff opened my mind to different styles of music.

[pate]

Everything about him is charming though.

When I saw them at Ozzfest 2005, during Dirty Women Ozzy's voice died and he ran off, so without missing a beat the band went straight to the solo section, and stayed with it for seriously like 10 minutes. It was amazing. Then Ozzy came back, and they did Paranoid and left. Shame it was only a 45 minute set, but they were amazing.

[rippa32]

I heard about that, woulda been awesome to see. Do they do Dirty Women at Ozzfest? I always thought it was just Paranoid, Iron Man and War Pigs.

[pate]

...it was a full set, man.

Opener: NIB
Rest, out of order:
War Pigs
Sweet Leaf
Iron Man
Black Sabbath
Snowblind
Into the Void
Dirty Women
Children of the Grave
Fairies Wear Boots
Paranoid

That was like the typical setlist for 2005. At ours, we lost out of Children of the Grave, and another one that I forget.

[rippa32]

Was that Ozzfest or just the Black Sabbath tour? I'm not calling you a liar, just confused is all.

[pate]

Ozzfest

Did I sound hostile? I wasn't intending to be.

[6stringed]

I just got Paranoid yeah!

[Eliminator]

That's the worst of their good period yeah!

[rippa32]

I dunno, it has its moments. Hand Of Doom, Electric Funeral, Fairies Wear Boots.

Oh and Pate you didn't seem hostile to me I just thought you might have misunderstood where I was going.

[Eliminator]

"Hand of Doom" is their best song.

Especially when it goes in that chugging part.

DAH NUH

DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN

DAH NUH NUH

DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN

[Brew]

I found a video of the TYR-era Sabbath playing Die Young live on YouTube, I'm pretty sure its not from the Cross Purposes Live DVD because Tony Martin doesn't sound like he's being buggered by a cold. It starts with an Iommi solo, 'tis good.

[rippa32]

Yer theres a few on youtube where he doesnt have a cold and there all really good. He pulls off the Dio stuff really well. And he does the Ozzy stuff better than Dio.

[rippa32]

How do you guys reckon a new album with Ozzy would sound? After all there is rumours of it happening flying around.

[Cocaine]

Ozzy should stick to falling off ATV's, tbqh.

[pate]

I'm more concerned with Heaven and Hell than anything involving Ozzy.

[rippa32]

Yer I guess but you get to see it, I don't.



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