Rock and Metal's Black Sabbath Thread

[rippa32]

Well done, it is an awesome song. Why dont you try some lyrics?

[shadow_stalker]

Damnit i could have got that one aswell :upset:

[rippa32]

It is a very good song, I love that whole album. It really shows the diversity that this great band has. Its also there most metal sounding album.

[Brew]

Dehumanizer is a good album, but came at the wrong time.

it pretty much killed off everything that the band had achieved with the iommi/martin/powell/murray lineup

[rippa32]

How so? The next album (Cross Purposes) is apparently one of the best Martin ones (or so I have heard).

[Ladyshredder126]

this has got nothing to do with the conversation... ive looked this up everywhere but i cant find it- figured one of you guys would know.

whos the dude on the album cover of paranoid? i know its a 'war pig' but whats his name and how did he get picked to be on the cover?

[rippa32]

No one knows actually. Its a bit of a mystery. I personally think its Iommi but thats just from me looking at it and there is no official info.

[n00bguitarist]

I have their greatest hits, and I really like War Pigs, Paranoid, Iron Man, Planet Caravan, NIB, and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.

[HazMan]

I've only recently started getting into Sabbath Bloody Sabbath after dismissing it for ages cause it wasn't like Paranoid at all. Damn you can certainly feel the origin of metal in the title song of Sabbath in particular.

Theres something about Iommi's tone that can sound utterly evil to me. A National Acrobat is my favourite song off Sabbath, its really foreboding somehow. Electric Funeral is perhaps the most depressing song i have ever heard, there is such doom in that main riff. I'm yet to discover any of their other stuff, looking forward to it. Any recommendations for a Sabbath n00b who only knows Paranoid and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath?

[Brew]

Tomorrow's Dream (Volume 4, Ozzy)
Supernaut (Volume 4, Ozzy)
Neon Knights (Heaven and Hell, Dio)
The Law Maker (TYR, Tony Martin)
Black Sabbath (Black Sabbath, Ozzy)
Iron Man (Paranoid, Ozzy)
The Sign of the Southern Cross (Mob Rules, Dio)
TV Crimes (Dehumanizer, Dio)
Air Dance (Never Say Die!, Ozzy)
Gypsy (Technical Ecstasy, Ozzy)
Headless Cross (Headless Cross, Tony Martin)
Jerusalem (TYR, Tony Martin)
Trashed (Born Again, Ian Gillan)
7th Star (7th Star, Glen Hughes [I think, my memory is hazey at the moment] )
Megalomania (Sabotage, Ozzy)
Sabbra Cadabra (Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Ozzy)
The Warning (Black Sabbath, Ozzy)
Hand of Doom (Paranoid, Ozzy)
After Forever (Master of Reality, Ozzy)

all excellent sabbath songs

[Ladyshredder126]

my first sabbath songs were:

iron man (of course)
paranoid
war pigs
electric funeral
N.I.B. (my favorite sab song of all time)
children of the grave
sweet leaf
sabbath bloody sabbath
the wizard
fairies wear boots

master of insanity- favorite dio song

100th post :)

[rippa32]

To that guy about the next Sabbath stuf he should get, I recommend Sabotage but if you want some non ozzy stuff which you should look into sometime get Heaven And Hell.

[Brew]

the best bet is to read the first post of this thread

[rippa32]

^ Oh yeah I forgot about that.

[Ladyshredder126]

rippa no offense but are you old? cuz your like a sabbath genius, its great but how do u know all this stuff?

[pigonthewing82]

Fairies Wear Boots has become my favorite Sabbath song (used to be The Wizard). I love that intro and the words are just great.

[MidnightRider]

Fairies Wear Boots has become my favorite Sabbath song (used to be The Wizard). I love that intro and the words are just great.

I used to love it, but for some reason it gets on my nerves now. My all time favorite is Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.

[pigonthewing82]

I used to love it, but for some reason it gets on my nerves now. My all time favorite is Sabbath Bloody Sabbath.

I love the lyrics to that song I think Sabbath's lyrics are really underrated so many people just think its satanic trash when there is sooooooooo much more to so many of their songs. People really need to learn to read between the lines.

[MidnightRider]

I love the lyrics to that song I think Sabbath's lyrics are really underrated so many people just think its satanic trash when there is sooooooooo much more to so many of their songs. People really need to learn to read between the lines.

I agree. And yeah, that's one of the main reasons it's my favorite.

[pigonthewing82]

Yeah personally my favorite lyrics from Sabbath right now are After Forever, even the name is poetic.

[rippa32]

rippa no offense but are you old? cuz your like a sabbath genius, its great but how do u know all this stuff?

lol, Im actually 17. I just do alot of research on the internet, I do that with quite a few bands and I love trivia. I got most of my information from www.black-sabbath.com

[blue3]

Everyone knows rippa is an old man. :)

[Brew]

rippa might know more than me about the sabs someday :p

[rippa32]

mmmm, Actually I doubt that, you definately know your stuff.

[Jude]

I love the lyrics to that song I think Sabbath's lyrics are really underrated so many people just think its satanic trash when there is sooooooooo much more to so many of their songs. People really need to learn to read between the lines.
They're not Satanic trash, but in general they aren't exactly classic poetry either...they're more or less standard rock lyrics.

[Ladyshredder126]

They're not Satanic trash, but in general they aren't exactly classic poetry either...they're more or less standard rock lyrics.

i completely disagree. "standard rock lyrics" are about a$$ and gra$$.

it could be said they wrote the first "standard metal lyrics..."

[Brew]

here's one for you all.

which Sabbath song was composed by the MkIII-era lineup (Iommi, Butler, Ward, Dio) but not actually used on an album until the Tony Martin era?

[rippa32]

That I do not know. But wouldnt that line-up be Mark II? Or are you counting Dave Walker?

EDIT: Wait I think I have it. Is it Scarlet Pimpernel? I don't actually have the Eternal Idol album but I do know that that song is the only one on the album Ray Gillen didn't help write.

[guitrguy]

i completely disagree. "standard rock lyrics" are about a$$ and gra$$.

it could be said they wrote the first "standard metal lyrics..."
That could be said but it would be wrong. I believe Death would take that title.
What the hell do you think Sweat Leaf is about?

[rippa32]

Yes Sweet LEaf is not the greatest lyrically. But Geezer has written some very good lyrics. I quite like the ones from Into The Void, Under The Sun, Iron Man plus quite a few more.

[Sph]

I love Into The Void. I'm not sure if i've heard Under The Sun, though.

Btw, where in QLD are you?

[rippa32]

Sunshine Coast. What about you?

You should check out Under the Sun its a very good song. It's on the Vol.4 album.

[Sph]

I'm down in Logan, a bit south of Brisbane.

I'll be sure to check out Under The Sun. But right now, I need to sleep.

[Brew]

That I do not know. But wouldnt that line-up be Mark II? Or are you counting Dave Walker?

EDIT: Wait I think I have it. Is it Scarlet Pimpernel? I don't actually have the Eternal Idol album but I do know that that song is the only one on the album Ray Gillen didn't help write.

MkII is Dave Walker, yes.

And no, its not on The Eternal Idol...

[rippa32]

mmm, Then I have no idea. Ill take a stab at Feels Good To Me because it feels out of place on that album but thats all ive got.

[Brew]

mmm, Then I have no idea. Ill take a stab at Feels Good To Me because it feels out of place on that album but thats all ive got.

its Heaven in Black

[rippa32]

Really? I would never have guessed that. Where did you hear that? Could there be a source of information even greater than www.black-sabbath.com?

[Brew]

it might not even be true, but my Windows Media Player shows me this when I hold my mouse over it...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Lord_Brummington/TYR.jpg

[BassMasterMike88]

They're not Satanic trash, but in general they aren't exactly classic poetry either...they're more or less standard rock lyrics.

Social Commentary (War Pigs, Childeren of the Grave), Drugs (Sweet Leaf, The Wizard?) Personal stuff( Parinoid) Yep standard rock lyrics, but Sabbath still takes the cake for creativity, originality, and pushing their intrumentals to the limit.

[rippa32]

it might not even be true, but my Windows Media Player shows me this when I hold my mouse over it...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/Lord_Brummington/TYR.jpg

I wouldnt trust the information coming from Media Player. I just checked my CD and it says all songs were written by everybody in the band at that time except Battle Of Tyr, because that has no lyrics and all Tony Martin did was lyrics. I have seen other silly mistakes in Medai Player before as well.

[Lupus]

What do you guys think of Iommi's solo work?

[BassMasterMike88]

^
I honestly prefer Geezer work to Iommi's.

[Brew]

I'm yet to get an Iommi album, I have all 3 of Geezer's albums though.

[rippa32]

I dont like Geezer's stuff, because I really don't like industrial. But he has such a wide taste in music and I hear he wants to do a Jazz album, I would buy that.

[shadow_stalker]

I still havnt heard any of Iommi or Geezer's solo stuff (but if geerzer's is industrial i probably wont like it)

ive heard Bill's stuff and i really didnt like that

[Ladyshredder126]

i havent heard anybodys solo stuff

for the sake of keeping this alive, what were u doing when you heard your first sabbath song?

i was 12 and i was at a baseball game and they played paranoid. my mom was making fun of ozzys voice but i was in love. i didnt know what the band name or song title was so i wrote 'finished with my woman' on the back of my hand, it was the only lyric i could understand/remember.

if your parents like them and you grew up listening to them in the car your a lucky b*tch.

[rippa32]

I first heard Paranoid too which is really funny that, that song got me into them because I hate it now. I always wanted to listen to Black Sabbath because I loved the name so much and when I heard a friend had the Best Of I asked to listen to it and he put that song on.

[Brew]

Hmm...

My discovery of Sabbath dates back to 2002 when I saw Ozzy at the Ozzfest, by then I think I already knew Paranoid but that was about it. Paranoid then ended up being the first song I learnt to play on bass, then not long after my Dad basicly gave me every Sabbath album he had on vinyl (from Black Sabbath to Never Say Die!, but not Paranoid, he had that on cassette) to listen to and keep in my room.

[BassMasterMike88]

For the sake of keeping this thread alive..

I first got into Sabbeth pretty heavily when in 9th grade we had to do a presentaion on a protest song. I wanted to do CCR's "Fortunate Son" but my partner convinced me into doing Sabbeth's "War Pigs" After hearing that one i perchased We Sold Our Souls for Rock & Roll.

[blue3]

That was the first album I got too. I started really listening to them in 7th grade.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

The first album I got was... Vol .4 I think.

[shadow_stalker]

First tiem i can remember heraing black Sabbath as when a local band played Paranoid at some crappy gig, i loved the song (although what the band did to it wasnt great), but from there i borrowed 'the best of...' and that got me into metal in general (and later from there Andy being the nice guy that he is got me into Dragonforce:chug: ).


i think im the only person that still likes the song Paranoid.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I'm pretty sick of it personally.

[shadow_stalker]

Meh its like Crazy Train by Ozzy, you either love it or you hate it

[Apocalyptic Raids]

It's not that I hate the song, I'm just sick of hearing it.

Give me Into The Void anyday.

[rippa32]

That song is awesome, from that killer opening riff right to the end.

[Ladyshredder126]

i liked into the void the first couple times i heard it

[classicrockman]

What do you guys think of Iommi's solo work?
I've got a thread on him. Just click on my avatar, then scroll to find the 'Tony Iommi' thread.

[rippa32]

Has anybody heard any of Bill's solo stuff? I personally havnt but can imagine it ro be not very heavy at all. Especially after hearing It's Alright from Technical Ecstacy.

[MidnightRider]

I got into Sabbath through my uncle, he's a huge fan. He gave me We Sold Our Soul For Rock N' Roll.

[666Ozzfan]

I really only got into Sabbath near the end of last year, but I've been an avid Ozzy fan since mid 2004.

As for Geezer doing Jazz, I'd be really keen to hear it

[rippa32]

So have you had heard any non-ozzy Sabbath? Its really good stuff.

[h4x]

I like Sweet Leaf, that's an amazing song.

[666Ozzfan]

So have you had heard any non-ozzy Sabbath? Its really good stuff.



Yeah I have, I picked up a really nice Sabbath box set a while ago, basically a greatest hits from when Sabbath started till 1988, but I have 2 say, that Sabbath wasn't really ever the same without Ozzy. The singer makes the band, i find. You know, most bands are most easily identified by the singer's voice, and unless you are really into Sabbath, it can be hard to tell it is Sabbath without Ozzy. Well, at least thats how I saw it before i actually started listening to it.

[temporary]

Yeah I have, I picked up a really nice Sabbath box set a while ago, basically a greatest hits from when Sabbath started till 1988, but I have 2 say, that Sabbath wasn't really ever the same without Ozzy. The singer makes the band, i find. You know, most bands are most easily identified by the singer's voice, and unless you are really into Sabbath, it can be hard to tell it is Sabbath without Ozzy. Well, at least thats how I saw it before i actually started listening to it.

Personally I prefer them with Dio, but they had more increadible albums with Ozzy. Dio's vocals fit the band perfectly, Heaven and Hell might be my favorite Sabbath album.

I'm also really getting into their s/t. I love the bluesy feel to it, and the instrumental work is some of their best.

[Darkness]

I popped in the self titled yesterday or the day before, and man! It was really awesome! The title track and The Wizard blew me away. I remember thinking this cd was OK when I bought it a while back, but now I love it. I can listen to that stuff all day. :p

I think I may pick up Masters Of Reality tomorrow... I already have Paranoid, and I want more!

[Flynn]

I popped in the self titled yesterday or the day before, and man! It was really awesome! The title track and The Wizard blew me away. I remember thinking this cd was OK when I bought it a while back, but now I love it. I can listen to that stuff all day. :p

I think I may pick up Masters Of Reality tomorrow... I already have Paranoid, and I want more!


Master Of Reality is a great album. It's probably one of my favorite Black Sabbath albums. Sweat Leaf is so awesome, to listen to and to play. Orchid is cool to play if you have multi recording equipment.

[Brew]

Solitude is probably the best track from Master of Reality.

For me anyways.

[shadow_stalker]

Solitude is probably the best track from Master of Reality.

For me anyways.
Solitude is just one of sabbath's best song alltogether, although for some reason not many people realise it :angry:


I gave TYR another listen today, i still dont like it there just isnt anything there for me to like it.

[temporary]

Solitude is just one of sabbath's best song alltogether, although for some reason not many people realise it :angry:.

Yeah, Solitude is really underrated. Master of Reality is really good, I don't have any problems with it being a tad short.

[spawn7037]

sabbath sucked without ozzy. personally i can't stand crazy train but i do love paranoid and war pigs. all of sabbaths stuff rocks (with ozzy) and I can't help but love Zakk's guitar work on his recent stuff. btw on the under cover album jerry cantrel does the guitar work.

[blue3]

Sabbath was still awesome without Ozzy. Dio is a great singer. Ian Gillan too. And I didn't know Jerry Cantrell played on that album. I still haven't heard it yet.

[Darkness]

So I did pick up Master Of Reality for like 9 bucks at the store today, I only listened once, and it seemed pretty good. Something weird, though, is on the back cover it says the last track is 3:08, and when I read that, it was well past the 6 min mark... Oh well, more Sabbath then expected = Good. :D

[rippa32]

Yes I have found you can't trust those time things, Iron Maiden especially. If you have the original record though the times printed on the label are usually about right.

[shadow_stalker]

sabbath sucked without ozzy. personally i can't stand crazy train but i do love paranoid and war pigs. all of sabbaths stuff rocks (with ozzy) and I can't help but love Zakk's guitar work on his recent stuff. btw on the under cover album jerry cantrel does the guitar work.
Ozzy is my favourite sabbath singer, but i think to say that sabbath without him sucked is just plain ignorant (i know because until i heard the song 'TV Crimes' i thought the exact same thing)

also Crazy Train is awesome

Yeah, Solitude is really underrated. Master of Reality is really good, I don't have any problems with it being a tad short.i think that album is just the right length,if it was any longer it would have dragged on abit.
although the song Orchid could ahve been alot better, the first few notes sound really good but after that it drops in quality, i know its just a 1 and a halve minute instrumental but still...

[666Ozzfan]

Sabbath was still awesome without Ozzy. Dio is a great singer. Ian Gillan too.

I agree, other Sabbath singers were good, but Ozzy had a different element to him, aside from his voice. I find the band overall sounds better with Ozzy, as if the band chemistry was better with him in it than not. I don't know, but there was something else he added that nobody else did. Heaven & Hell is a great album, my favorite without Ozzy. Other than that, I love Master of Reality, its got a very nice deep dark feel to it. Great to zone out to.

[temporary]

Sabbath was still awesome without Ozzy. Dio is a great singer. Ian Gillan too. And I didn't know Jerry Cantrell played on that album. I still haven't heard it yet.

Don't, whatever you do. Ozzy might have been able to pull something like it off twenty years ago, but his voice is dead. The only bright side is Cantrell's guitar work, other than that, the tracks I've heard are awful. I'm sorry Ozzy, but your cover of Working Class Hero was torture.

[Thor]

Here's a new subject for the Sabbath fans in here: favorite Sabbath cover?

For me, it's Pantera's "Planet Caravan"

[blue3]

Faith No More's War Pigs and Megadeth's Paranoid covers are pretty awesome.

[rippa32]

I like Megadeth's Paranoid, I didn't like Pantera's Planet Caravan though.

[Ladyshredder126]

nofx did iron man and it sucked... what else would be expected though

[classicrockman]

nofx did iron man and it sucked... what else would be expected though
Wow, that would sound horrible. Even though "Iron Man" is probably Sabbath's most famous songs, it's still one of my favorites.

[Magero666]

Hm...I gotta say either Paranoid by Megadeth, or Snowblind by System of a down

[shadow_stalker]

Slayer did a pretty good cover of hand of doom (atleast i think slayer did it)

[Clunge]

Anyone absolutely love Solitude? It's by far my top Sabbath track, so dark...

[BassMasterMike88]

Ozzy added a mystical and almost Phycadelic(sp?) sound to Sabbeth, but Dio has a pretty powerfull voice.

[temporary]

I'd say The Bad Plus' Iron Man is a pretty sweet cover. I saw it on Geezer's Celebrity Playlist on iTunes, and he described it as one of the most original covers he'd heard. Faith No More's cover of War Pigs is good too, though its far from better than the original

[Josh]

Faith No More's War Pigs and Megadeth's Paranoid covers are pretty awesome.
the FNM version of War Pigs is awesome. i haven't heard the Megadeth cover or Paranoid, but their version of Never Say Die! is pretty damn good.
i like the Metallica version of Sabbra Cadabbra / A National Acrobat as well.

Ozzy added a mystical and almost Phycadelic(sp?) sound to Sabbeth, but Dio has a pretty powerfull voice.
i love Dehumanizer, Dio was awesome on it. possibly my favourite Sabbath album out of the ones i have.

[rippa32]

Hm...I gotta say either Paranoid by Megadeth, or Snowblind by System of a down

SOAD did snowblind? No offence to you but that would probably sound bloody horrible.

[shadow_stalker]

Snowblind by SOAD is one of the worst sabbath covers i have ever heard, its right up there with weezer's war pigs *shudders*

[blue3]

I've never heard either of those covers.

[Brew]

SOAD actually did a good job with the cover, they made it an original cover rather than just play it almost exactly like it was originally.

[BassMasterMike88]

^
Brew has a point here shadow_stalker, Systems cover added new sounds and tones that displayed their creativity rather then just bumbling to play straight through a cover as Weezer did.

[dr._feelgood]

Faith No More's version of War Pigs is awesome, too.

[TojesDolan]

The whole thing on the cover, in the words of SOAD themselves, is that they wanted to add a little "salsa" flavor to the song. And probably they did a good job at it.

Anyhow, The dresden dolls cover of war pigs is great too.

[pigonthewing82]

Not many people may agree with me but I really like War Pigs off of Just Say Ozzy. I think Zakk really does a good job (whitch is supprising to me since I don't really like Zakk's guitar work for the most part) and Geezer is on bass, and I always thought Geezer was awsome.

[rippa32]

Does anyone have that Snowblind cover for me to download? I should probably hear it before passing judgement.

[shadow_stalker]

^
Brew has a point here shadow_stalker, Systems cover added new sounds and tones that displayed their creativity rather then just bumbling to play straight through a cover as Weezer did.
Im not saying that it wasnt an 'interesting' cover im just saying i though it was balls

[temporary]

Ugh, Weezer covering Sabbath? Thats just plain scary.

[themaninthebox]

yeah.. i like weezer and all but i have a feeling that that would be disgusting

I also like Faith No More's cover of War Pig

[rippa32]

Has anyone heard Never Say Die by Megadeth? Its the best sabbath cover I have heard imo.

[-The Frank]

My favorite cover would be sabbath bloody sabbath- bruce dickinson

[shadow_stalker]

Has anyone heard Never Say Die by Megadeth? Its the best sabbath cover I have heard imo.
Yeah that is a really good cover, i heard another great cover of never say die but i cant remember who it was by

[rippa32]

My favorite cover would be sabbath bloody sabbath- bruce dickinson

That would sound good, Ill have to see if I can find it.

[shadow_stalker]

That would sound good, Ill have to see if I can find it.
I have it, so if havnt found it by the next time i see you on Msn i will send it to you

[temporary]

My favorite cover would be sabbath bloody sabbath- bruce dickinson

I forgot all about that one, its great (except the guitar solo isn't half as good as Iommi's.)

[Brew]

Not many people may agree with me but I really like War Pigs off of Just Say Ozzy. I think Zakk really does a good job (whitch is supprising to me since I don't really like Zakk's guitar work for the most part) and Geezer is on bass, and I always thought Geezer was awsome.

That EP is quite good in general.

[rippa32]

Wasn't Just Say Ozzy that live album full of Sabbath songs? If it is Zakk Wylde didn't play on it. In fact Jake E Lee was still to come before Zakk.

[Brew]

Just Say Ozzy was released in 1991-ish on the No More Tears tour.

Speak/Talk of the Devil is the shockingly crap Ozzy live album thats full of Sabbath covers, which had a guitarist who I can't remember the name of playing on it, but it deff. wasn't Jake E Lee or Zakk (or Randy, seeing as he had died)

[metalswimmer]

godsmack-------------sweat leaf
white zombie------------children of the grave
both really good covers, even though i dont like godsmack like at all

[rippa32]

Just Say Ozzy was released in 1991-ish on the No More Tears tour.

Speak/Talk of the Devil is the shockingly crap Ozzy live album thats full of Sabbath covers, which had a guitarist who I can't remember the name of playing on it, but it deff. wasn't Jake E Lee or Zakk (or Randy, seeing as he had died)

Ah that was the one I was thinking of, I just got confused. I have heard Paranoid from that Speak Of The Devil one and I agree, shockingly crap.

[rippa32]

Oh no its dieing again. Trivia time.

Who was originally intended to play bass after Born Again, but before Sabbath broke up and Iommi recorded Seventh Star?

[shadow_stalker]

I dont know but im going to pretend i know jsut to bump the thread...although if i get really stuck i will have to cheat

[rippa32]

Hehe its a pretty stupid answer really, Geezer Butler.

[rippa32]

Damn, this thread is in it lowest moments. Ill start a discussion. Quite simple really just recommend some good Sabbath songs to play on guitar/bass/drums/sing, and then Im sure discussion will follow. Ill start. Symptom Of The Universe, its a fairly easy songs besides the lead bits and the solo but a hell of alot of fun to play.

[shadow_stalker]

On drums good songs to play are Paranoid (i know its overdone and all but it is good for beginners to learn to help with timing and so on)

NIB is quite good to play aswell, it has some fun beats and fills in it


i keep meaning to learn symtpon of the universe on the drums but i have never had time to do it


might aswell whore this site while we are talking about tablature http://www.rdrop.com/~mjames/sabbath/index.html

[temporary]

I'd say NIB's great on any instrument. The main guitar/bass riff never gets old.

[Brew]

Any Sabbath song is good to play on bass, especially the earlier stuff because there's more room for improvisation.

[rippa32]

^ I find that with guitar as well, I love doing improv over the wizard, even iommi does a fair bit of that at the start. Also Ive got a feeling drums are improv on Symptom Of The Universe, cos all my versions (one studio and two live) are different, my favourite being the studio version.

[Clunge]

Okies... I have:

Paranoid
Master Of Reality
Black Sabbath

What album should I get next? I'd prefer to get stuff from earlier in their career really, I didn't like what I heard of the later stuff.

[Brew]

Volume 4 is a definate must-buy.

[shadow_stalker]

I would suggest you got Sabotage or Live pasts, they are both great albums


then dehumanizer or Headless cross if you want to move off ozzy era albums

[YDload]

Yes, Volume 4 is the obvious direction you should be heading in. Plus, it's got Supernaut, which is what I wanted to talk about anyway.

I think it's the best riff Iommi's ever come up with, or at least the most overlooked for it's sheer asskicking ability. Supernaut!

[shadow_stalker]

well since it is ver yunlikely anyone is going to say it when talking about supernaut i will, the way Bill plays the hi-hats in that song (mostly during the main/opening riff) is awesome, dont know why it sounds so good but it is

[Thor]

Here's how it breaks down.

Black Sabbath > Master of Reality > Paranoid > Vol. 4

[musicforlife]

I've only heard songs off of Paranoid.

[Thor]

Let me guess...Iron Man, Paranoid, and War Pigs?

[musicforlife]

Originally Posted by Thor
Let me guess...Iron Man, Paranoid, and War Pigs?

Yeah, pretty much. That's kind of sad right?

[Thor]

Yeah, pretty much. That's kind of sad right?
If you're a Black Sabbath fan then it's sacrelige. I would suggest getting the album just because it's a freakin' classic.

Their self titled is the best though.

[musicforlife]

Originally Posted by Thor
If you're a Black Sabbath fan then it's sacrelige. I would suggest getting the album just because it's a freakin' classic.

Their self titled is the best though.

Okay, I'll check them both out.

[shadow_stalker]

Yeah, pretty much. That's kind of sad right?
Nah its not sad, if you havnt heard the songs you havnt the songs, just dont run around saying you know everything about sabbath after listening to them:p

[dr._feelgood]

Supernaut definately is one of the best riffs ever. It's so awesome, and so is that solo.

[rippa32]

I just love that album on a whole, I even find FX entertaining(I think im the only one). Its my least favourite but still entertaining.

[blue3]

I got a Sabbath poster and Master of Reality today.. even though I already had it on the computer.

[666Ozzfan]

Finally completed my Ozzy-era album collection, except for the self-titled album. but thats coming into the store soon.. can't wait!!!! After that, I'll be buying the Gillian albums. Any tips on others I should be thinking about first?

[rippa32]

I hate to sound nit picky but its spelt Gillan not Gillian(people always get that wrong). Seeing as you have all 8 ozzy albums I would probably say go for the next one with Dio "Heaven And Hell". Yes the Gillan one is a beauty but I would just like to point out there is only one with gillan on it unfortunately. Oh and whats your favourite ozzy album? Jus outta interest.

[shadow_stalker]

Hmm i always thought it was gillian.

i would suggest you get dehumanizer or Headless Cross (god i love that album so much)

I just love that album on a whole, I even find FX entertaining(I think im the only one). Its my least favourite but still entertaining.
i cant stand FX, seem like a waste of album space to me


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4mU_npqM3I&search=metallica%20iron%20man

...oh god no!

[wearedead]

my favorite songs are "Faries Wear Boots", "War Pigs", or "Iron Man"

[blue3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4mU_npqM3I&search=metallica%20iron%20man

...oh god no!
First time I saw that.. It's alright.

[666Ozzfan]

Favourite Ozzy album? I'd have to say Master of Reality. It's nice and heavy and great to listen to when the world seems against you. I've heard alot of good things about both Heaven and Hell and Headless Cross. I can't decide which I should buy. Hell, I'll just get both, easier that way.

[rippa32]

TYR is also a good one from Tony Martin.
and to shadow stalker even though I like FX I agree its kinda a waste of space. A short song would have done so much better as filler.

[shadow_stalker]

I really dont like TYR, its a very good album in terms of writing and performance but i just cant get into the songs

[rippa32]

Does Headless Cross sound anything like TYR? I hope not, as much as I love TYR I think id prefer something different.

[Brew]

Headless Cross is slightly more cheesy than TYR in terms of lyrics and the general sound of the songs, its still a damn good album though.

And for crappy fillers - FX is kinda like Paranoid ;)

[rippa32]

lol that is true. I have ordered Never Say Die! from ebay btw. Im really looking forward to it, ive heard its really good and ive been looking for it for a while.

[Andromeda12]

Black Sabbath never get the credit they deserve, so a big thumbs up to ToRidTheDisease!
I love all the Ozzy years, even the much frowned upon "Technical Ecstasy" and "Never Say Die"
These albums showed a diversity to the band that sadly only lasted until "Heaven And Hell" which is also a great album!
Loved the Tony Martin stuff too, but thought the Gillan era was a BIG! mistake and thankfully only lasted the one album!
I actually always preferred "Sabbath" to "Zeppelin"
Great band!

[666Ozzfan]

lol that is true. I have ordered Never Say Die! from ebay btw. Im really looking forward to it, ive heard its really good and ive been looking for it for a while.

I bought Never Say Die week before last, and I think its a great album. what else do you have? Only need Black Sabbath to comple my Ozzy era :D. Technical Ecstacy is good, but prefer Never Say Die.

[rippa32]

I have the first disc to best of burnt(yeah okay, but it was what I used to get into them). Vol4, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath on a crap quality tape I used to record from my guitar techers old record, Sabotage on vinyl LP, Technical Ecstacy on vinyl LP, soon to get Never Say Die on vinyl LP, Heaven and Hell, Born Again, TYR, Dehuminizer and Past Lives.

[rippa32]

Well still waiting on that Never Say Die! album. Whats the best Tony Martin Album to get? I only have TYR.

Also shadow_stalker, whos in your avatar? Its been bugging me for a while I assume its some guy called Marco Hietala. But whos that?

[shadow_stalker]

I would recomend Headless cross next (sseing as i only have that and TYR)


Marco Hietala is the bass player for Nightwish, and the guy i think would be awesome to sing for sabath if they did another album

[temporary]

I really need to get Born Again. I'm such an Ian Gillan fan, and the songs I've heard from it (the title track and Trashed) are awsome. Shame he only lasted one album (although fortunetly he went back to Purple.)

[Lord Sabbath]

Snowblind FTW.

and Vol. 4 is such a great song. i love Under The Sun and that beautiful fade out rif with that peaceful solo...:)

Well still waiting on that Never Say Die! album. Whats the best Tony Martin Album to get? I only have TYR.

Also shadow_stalker, whos in your avatar? Its been bugging me for a while I assume its some guy called Marco Hietala. But whos that?
looks like someone from one of the later star wars movies. it obviously isn't, it just looks like that.

[shadow_stalker]

I think thats due to the style of the picture more than anything else

[rippa32]

lol I thought that as well. You reckon hed be good to sing for Sabbath? Would a power metal singer work in Sabbath?

[Thor]

No. No singers besides Ozzy work in Sabbath.

[j05h_ab3l5_pp1_h8_m3]

i agree with thor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and by the way who has any sabbath on reacord but me yet ?!

[shadow_stalker]

lol I thought that as well. You reckon hed be good to sing for Sabbath? Would a power metal singer work in Sabbath?
He would, if you listen to the Tarot songs he has a pretty wide vocal style

besides they already got Dio to sing for them and he is sort of powermetalish

No. No singers besides Ozzy work in Sabbath.
do you mean no other singers should sing for them or no other singer has sang for them?

[Zedthephish]

I've got We Sold Our Souls For Rock 'N Roll, Paranoid, and Mob Rules
on vinyl.

Ozzy is/was/will be the only singer fit for Black Sabbath.

Dio is eh.

[the_almighty_drummer]

well I myself am hooked after getting paranoid for christmas, it's such a great album, tony iommi is the best riff creator hands down.

great drumming too, this album shaped my style alot.

[Brew]

i agree with thor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and by the way who has any sabbath on reacord but me yet ?!

I have

Black Sabbath
Master of Reality
Vol.4
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Sabotage
We Sold Our Soul For Rock 'n' Roll
Greatest Hits
Technical Ecstasy
Never Say Die!
Heaven and Hell
Mob Rules
Live Evil
Born Again
Eternal Idol
Headless Cross

on vinyl.

:)

[Thor]

do you mean no other singers should sing for them or no other singer has sang for them?
The first one. I'm not stupid. :thumb:

[Brew]

The first one. I'm not stupid. :thumb:

You're funny :thumb:

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Dio owns.

[Brew]

Dio owns.

^Listen to him, he's wise.

[daingerous88]

Sabbath is good. My band is playing Paranoid as a cover, and we decided to have every one do a solo, so i am need of some help, does anyone got any good ideas for a solo, for the song Paranoid?
Thanks all...

[blue3]

just improvise? Silverchair covered Paranoid too.

[shadow_stalker]

Dio owns.
and Martin owns Dio

[rippa32]

I dont think so. Martin doesnt have the power that Dio has. Also Dio is surprisingly versatile, check out Rainbow Eyes by Rainbow for an example of this. Also to anyone who think they sucked without ozzy, your fine to think that but why? The other singers are really good and they arnt the first band to have line-up changes with their singers. I dont see anyone say Deep Purple sucked without Gillan.

In other news I have finally recieved the record in the mail. I have only been able to hear the first two songs so far as my pre-amp isnt working. Unfortunately I found out it was re-issue after looking at the inner sleeve, normally this wouldnt be too bad but I think it was re-issued mid 80's so there has been digital technology used at some point and it sounds like a CD thus kinda defeating the point.

[shadow_stalker]

...martin can stand on Dio :p


yeah Dio was a great singer but i jsut prefer Martin, dont really know why

[Rattlehead]

just improvise? Silverchair covered Paranoid too.
and Megadeth:p

Dio owns.
he sure does, i love his vocals on all of his Rainbow albums, Stargazer FTW!

...for a bit of relevance... Heaven and Hell FTW!

[rippa32]

...martin can stand on Dio :p


yeah Dio was a great singer but i jsut prefer Martin, dont really know why

Oh ok, do you have cross purposes at all? I was considering buying that.

[Thor]

^Listen to him, he's wise.
Dio did some good things outside of Sabbath. I just didn't like the direction the band was going in after Ozzy left.

[rippa32]

They were going that less heavy direction ever since Technical Ecstacy.

[blue3]

and Megadeth:p and 283247234 other bands.

[rippa32]

That is so true, media player is full of them.

[shadow_stalker]

Oh ok, do you have cross purposes at all? I was considering buying that.
nope dont ahve it, i havnt even bought a sabbath album in ages

damn you Power metal, you are taking all my money!!!

[blue3]

Have any of you seen that show 'Rock School'? They played a lot of Black Sabbath but it wasn't that great.

[rippa32]

Im going on a bit of a rock/metal based movie run at the moment so I am going to check it out anyway. There was a bit of Sabbath on Almost Famous as well.

[blue3]

It's a bunch of 9 to 17 year olds playing Sabbath songs, so it's not just background music. Almost Famous was good.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

That was a good movie.

[rippa32]

Im not saying it was a bad movie, it was great. The acting of the journo kid wasnt all that convincing though. Oh ok, isnt that guy on Rock School some Zappa nut or something?

[blue3]

Yeah he is. He screams way too much.

[Rattlehead]

Dio did some good things outside of Sabbath. I just didn't like the direction the band was going in after Ozzy left.
yeah sure, i like his solo work. don't like his sabbath work as far as sabbath is concerned, if you know what i mean. i don't consider dio's sabbath as sabbath, as the whole style changed. e.g. H&H; they never did slow maiden-esque bass triplets before dio came along.

[Brew]

yeah sure, i like his solo work. don't like his sabbath work as far as sabbath is concerned, if you know what i mean. i don't consider dio's sabbath as sabbath, as the whole style changed. e.g. H&H; they never did slow maiden-esque bass triplets before dio came along.

Listen to the bass in Sabbra Cadabra, its very maiden-esque in its tripletly-ness.

[shadow_stalker]

Listen to the bass in Sabbra Cadabra, its very maiden-esque in its tripletly-ness.
Technically its not, since made a fair number of years before maiden were aroud

Have any of you seen that show 'Rock School'? They played a lot of Black Sabbath but it wasn't that great.
i saw the episode with Tony Iommi on, was worth watching just to see him own gene simmons on the guitar

[rippa32]

She meant the movie actually not the Gene Simmons TV series, lol. I would love to see that episode and after getting series one in australia I am hoping for series two to come just for that episode.

[shadow_stalker]

I havnt seen that movie, is it worth buying?

[blue3]

Not at all. I had no idea there's a series 2 for Gene Simmons show.

[temporary]

Not at all. I had no idea there's a series 2 for Gene Simmons show.

God I hate Gene Simmons.

Oh, and for the record: Dio>almost anyone else in metal.

[Rattlehead]

Listen to the bass in Sabbra Cadabra, its very maiden-esque in its tripletly-ness.
not in the same way as in H&H, H&H is quite cheesy. yeah, i listen to SC all the time, great song

NP: Sweet Leaf

[rippa32]

Whats wrong with the new musical direction post ozzy? Id prefer a band willing to change rather than go stale.

[666Ozzfan]

I agree, but I think more people grew up listening to Sabbath with Ozzy, and so thats what they know as Sabbath. When you suddenly start listening to the same band, with a different singer, it can really throw people. Especially if this changes the general sound of the band. Thats what happened with me, I only knew Ozzy-era, and when I listened to post-Ozzy, I didn't really like it. Took a little while to get used to a new sound, and try to take the Ozzy sound out of my head.

[The Masked Guitarist]

sorry but sabbath is nothing without ozzy not that i dont like DIO but still sabbath is only ozzy!

[shadow_stalker]

your wrong, no two ways about it sabbath is not only ozzy, and if you read through some of the thread Brew has listed hundreds of reasons why


some links people might find interesting

http://www.rockdetector.com/interviews/artist,1108.sm?id=94
http://www.myspace.com/rockdetector

there is a link from a demo tape sabbath did with a guy called dave donato, who joined sabbath for 6 months just after Gillan left (i think)

think im ognna get that book, should be good for a read through

[Rattlehead]

coughOPINIONcough.

anyway, the whole sound was changed without ozzy, and thats why he and i think sabbath is ozzy, and is only good with him. i think. sure enough, ozzy's sabbath didnt just include ozzy, iommi was great, but nevertheless it all changed without him.

[shadow_stalker]

But he is saying sabbath was nothing without ozzy as a fact rather than what he thought

[666Ozzfan]

a guy called dave donato, who joined sabbath for 6 months just after Gillan left (i think)


You're right. He was hired after sending in an impressive audio tape to fulfill tour commitments....but he wasn't comfortable in the studio and left. That was from April '84 till late'84 before Ozzy came back to sing with them for Live Aid in July '85 and Glenn Hughes joined in June '85

I think Sabbath with Ozzy is better than post-Ozzy, but the rest is still good quality Sabbath music and I still enjoy listening to it as much as with Ozzy.

So The Masked Guitarist, I'm assuming you won't have any of Ozzy's solo albums? Because if you listen closely, it doesn't sound anything like Sabbath... Just something to think about........

[rippa32]

^ oh god thank you. Its an argument I always forget to pull out, because Ozzy only ever sounds like whatever his guitarist likes. Unlike Dio who put his spin on every band hes been with. Ozzy is a ****house writer plain and simple.

oh btw 666Ozzfan are you the one that came on earlier asking what post-ozzy albums to get? Cos if you are what ones did you end up buying?

[The Masked Guitarist]

But he is saying sabbath was nothing without ozzy as a fact rather than what he thought
im saying sabbbath isn't sabbath without ozzy i'm a huge fan of geezer, ward and greatly iommI!
i guess my wording was bad sorry

[666Ozzfan]

oh btw 666Ozzfan are you the one that came on earlier asking what post-ozzy albums to get? Cos if you are what ones did you end up buying?


I've not bought any yet, haven't had the time.

[rippa32]

Ah ok. I was thinking of getting Live Evil after hearing a Sabbath cover Dio did when he was in elf, great stuff.

[shadow_stalker]

Whats wrong with the new musical direction post ozzy? Id prefer a band willing to change rather than go stale.

because Ozzy only ever sounds like whatever his guitarist likes. Unlike Dio who put his spin on every band hes been with.

'tis not very fair to praise sabbath for changing their sound when they got a new singer, and then criticise ozzy for changing sound when he got a different guitarist

[victim of changes]

I don't view sabbath the same without ozzy, obviously most don't, ozzy is just a great frontman, and his era was obviously the best, not to trash sabbath's latert stuff, i love dio and heaven and hell is a great album, i can't really comment on any of the other later stuff though.

[rippa32]

'tis not very fair to praise sabbath for changing their sound when they got a new singer, and then criticise ozzy for changing sound when he got a different guitarist

That's not the point I was trying to get across, I simply meant Ozzy never adds anything to the music, hes just the frontman because a band needs one even in his solo career. I never criticised the change in music direction.

[Riva]

Well, to be honest, Ozzy's solo career was fairly mediocore, at least compared to his work in Black Sabbath.

[666Ozzfan]

Regarding Ozzy's solo work, I really like it. It's different to most anything else that I've heard. He wasn't so egotistical to try to make his new band sound like Sabbath.

Fair enough really for Sabbath changing the sound of the music when they got rid of Ozzy. I don't think people would have appreciated a new singer nearly as easily if it had been the original sound with a new singer. I know my attitude would be "it's just someone trying to sound like Ozzy", and I wouldn't be as inclined to buy the albums. Really, it was Sabbath being new, different, and showing another side to each member.

It wasn't that the band was rejecting their sound they had with Ozzy, as it showed whenever Ozzy came back for reunion shows. They still played Ozzy-era songs with the Ozzy-era sound.

Hope this kinda makes sense....

[rippa32]

Ive seen Ozzy say quite a few times he didnt really like the music Sabbath made. But now hes back with them he just bags the post-ozzy stuff. If he didn't like it, why did he come back? Sometimes hes almost as bad as Sharon.

[shadow_stalker]

I love Ozzy's solo stuff, it was a nice change of direction from black sabbath rather than just makeing a black sabbath clone


No one will ever be as bad as Sharon, i will never forgive her for what she did to Iron Maiden :angry:

[Rattlehead]

what did she do?

[rippa32]

Long story, just search Iron Maiden OZZFest in google and you should get a fair few articles. Kelly and some other unsigned bands were involved as well.

[victim of changes]

yea, that was a horrible day.

[rippa32]

Apparently Steve Harris apoligized to Ozzy about Bruce, but I think bruce was right to complain.

[ultim8bassist]

Did ne 1 evr find a good tab for war pigs?? if so post the link plz.

bass tab that is

[rippa32]

This is a forum/message board not an IM please use proper spelling. Try MXTabs though there usually the best ones you can find on the internet.

[shadow_stalker]

http://www.rdrop.com/~mjames/sabbath/index.html


for almost all your black sabbath bass and guitar tablature needs (owns any other site i have found)

[Peechka Beats]

Love the Sabbath.

Sabbath was actually the music which slapped me up side the head and made me relize rap was awful during my highschool days. Changing my ways and making me a rocker, instead of a wigger.

Here is the songs our band plays all the time....
NIB
War Pigs
Paranoid
Hand of Doom
Iron Man
Electric Funeral
Symptom of the Universe
Snowblind

All of us pretty much know these tunes by heart, now.

[rippa32]

Awesome, always good to see people converted to rock.

[shadow_stalker]

im supposed to learn 'into the void' and 'sympton of the universe' on the drums for my band to play, not sure if i will be able to do the fills on sympton of the universe aswell as Bill does them...i could always make them up though

[Riva]

Into The Void is such a bloody great song. Perhaps my favourite.

[rippa32]

im supposed to learn 'into the void' and 'sympton of the universe' on the drums for my band to play, not sure if i will be able to do the fills on sympton of the universe aswell as Bill does them...i could always make them up though

Why not? Bill made it up too. I suppose the best way to do it would be to do the same general thing hes doing but in your own way, if that makes sense. It probably doesn't because Im not a drummer.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Into The Void is such a bloody great song. Perhaps my favourite.
It's one of my favourites too. Along with Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Wheels Of Confusion/The Straightener.

[rippa32]

Wheels Of Confusion? Thats one of my favourites too but Ive never heard anyone else mention it as a favourite. Definitely the highlight of Vol. 4.

[666Ozzfan]

Yes, it is. Vol. 4 is a great album. I have loved it as soon as I heard it

[rippa32]

I didn't actually, I thought it was really boring. It took like three listens for me to like it, I have no idea why.

[blue3]

It's cause you're weird.

[shadow_stalker]

Why not? Bill made it up too. I suppose the best way to do it would be to do the same general thing hes doing but in your own way, if that makes sense. It probably doesn't because Im not a drummer.
Yeah thats what i do with every song i learn, i learn the general beat and make my own stuff up.

its just that i have heard a version of sympton where bill seems to do a 1 handed snare roll, while hitting 780000 other drums and cymbals at once:p


I didn't actually, I thought it was really boring. It took like three listens for me to like it, I have no idea why.
took me awhile to get into it, i still dont think its one of their stronger albums

[Bass_ment]

Vol. 4 was sort of their descent after their first three flawless albums, still a really good album, but it lacks a bit of the darkness from the earlier albums.

Still one of the top Ozzy records, although its also one of the more produced ones which does not lend itself to the feel of Sabbath. Its fair to say that the less Sabbath messed about in the studio the better the music came out.

[Brew]

Vol.4 is probably the best Ozzy-era Sabbath album.

[Rattlehead]

possibly. i love all ozzy sabbath albums, but yea, Vol. 4 is a specially great one. favourites off it: Snowblind, Under The Sun. it is THE album to listen to while watching the sunset. Under the Sun owns. the last riff is beautiful, absolutely beautiful. with that solo, it does it all for me.

[rippa32]

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is brilliant I reckon, heavy but more proggy, which I like.

[ATM]

I can still remember the first time I heard Into the Void. That main riff is so amazing.

[rippa32]

My favourite part of that song is the solo actually. Its Iommi's best use of overdubbing a second part to the solo imo.

[rippa32]

Has anyone here heard the 96' Dep sessions? I was thinking of buying it.

[666Ozzfan]

Hmmm, thread has slowed down.
Trivia time!!!

How is Electric Light Orchestra connected to Black Sabbath? Who went to which band, what year and what instrument?

[rippa32]

Bev Bevan the drummer from ELO replaced Bill Ward for the Born Again tour (1983), although Bill played on the album. There was even talk of Sabbath covering ELO's Evil Woman on stage but they never did and have even disupted any discussion of it. I hope that answers your question :thumb:

Okay my turn.

What band did Tony Iommi play with for two weeks in 1969? And why was he fired?

[pye phyo ko]

beyaach!!!!!!

[rippa32]

please explain

[Brew]

Bev Bevan the drummer from ELO replaced Bill Ward for the Born Again tour (1983), although Bill played on the album. There was even talk of Sabbath covering ELO's Evil Woman on stage but they never did and have even disupted any discussion of it. I hope that answers your question :thumb:

Okay my turn.

What band did Tony Iommi play with for two weeks in 1969? And why was he fired?

Jethro Tull, and he wasn't fired from either band - he quit Sabbath, went to Jethro Tull, then 2 weeks later quit 'Tull and came back to Sabbath saying ''so I played with Jethro Tull for 2 weeks...so what?''

[rippa32]

He wasn't fired? Then was it a mutual decision between him and Ian Anderson? Because I remember one of the reasons he left was because they didn't want someone that does drugs in their band.

[pigonthewing82]

He wasn't fired? Then was it a mutual decision between him and Ian Anderson? Because I remember one of the reasons he left was because they didn't want someone that does drugs in their band.

Thats not what I heard. All the sources I've heard said that he thought Anderson was "too weird" for him and he didn't like that Anderson didn't have much of a connection with the band and did things like sat at another table when they were eating lunch and stuff like that. Though if I'm not mistaken he can be heard or seen playing with the band on the Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus.

[rippa32]

And he also apparently wrote one of the songs on Stand Up but it has Martin Barre playing and he didnt even get credited but as far as I know thats just speculation.

[MetalOz]

Tony Iommi has a big article in this month's Guitar One... ooh and the tab for Paranoid... is it that hard to figure out?

[Josh]

i downloaded Iommi - Fused the other day off a website. haven't listened to any yet, i might listen to some while i'm going to sleep tonight. what should i expect?

[rippa32]

You should expect some sort of karmic justice for illegally downloading it :thumb:

[rippa32]

Well its dying again. What do you think is the hardest sabbath song to learn on an instrument?

[Werny]

Rat Salad and Symptom sound freakishly difficult to learn on drums.

[rippa32]

I agree on Symptom but unfortunately I havnt heard Rat Salad.

[Stevie]

I own the first six Sabbath albums along with the cumback "Heaven and Hell". Are "Technical Ecstasy" and "Never Say Die" recommended? Are there any other releases that I would be wise to get?

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Master Of Reality is certainly worth getting. Into The Void is one of my favourite Sabbath tracks.

[Stevie]

Oops I don't know how I said that. I meant "Technical Ecstasy". I own Master of reality.