Rock and Metal's Black Sabbath Thread

[rippa32]

lol I suppose, it might be good to actually get the Born Again first though.

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

Born Again is alot better than people make it out to be. All the jokes, Deep Sabbath and Black Purple, it was a wonderful combination! Trashed, Keep It Warm, and Digital Bitch are some killer tracks and i think Ian and Tony espically had some great chemistry together. I dont see why any diehard Sabbath fan wouldnt enjoy it.

[rippa32]

Could you tell me what Seventh Star is like and what kind of music is on it? I was thinking about getting it the other day but ended up getting a Metallica album instead.

[Brew]

^Which Metallica album did you get?

I've been meaning to buy 7th Star for awhile but I can never find it.

[King_Karl]

Black Sabbath thread, oh i missed you. Yes indeed i love the Sabbath. Part of the reason i'm looking for a job is to buy more of their cd's.
NP - Heaven and Hell!

[rippa32]

Hey welcome to the thread, its nice to see someone willing to actually pay for CD's. And Brum I got Ride the Lightning, and i've been playing it constantly.

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

Could you tell me what Seventh Star is like and what kind of music is on it? I was thinking about getting it the other day but ended up getting a Metallica album instead.

Honestly...along with Forbidden it is Sabbath's weakest album. Iommi wanted it to be his first solo cd, thus the name Seventh Star staring Toni Iommi, but the record company thought to put the Sabbath name on it so it would sell better. Really weak songs, at least on Forbidden "Rusty Angels" is one of the best Sabbath songs ever penned. Id get Born Again over both anyday.

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

Hey welcome to the thread, its nice to see someone willing to actually pay for CD's. And Brum I got Ride the Lightning, and i've been playing it constantly.

god **** great cd! I bought that in 7th grade in like 1997 haha, played the living hell out of it.

[Brew]

RTL was the first Metallica cd I got, its still my favourite album by them, I can play most of it on bass.

If I remember right I got it for a mere £7 at the Ozzfest in 2002 :)

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8581438#post8581438

Lets get Geezer into the next round!

[Josh]

i have 5 'tallica albums. i actually buy cds as well, i just only have about 30 or so albums.
i voted for Geezer :thumb:

[Kronos]

I have just done right by Geezer in the poll. Shame I only got one measly vote :upset:

[sabbath101]

Sabbath is the greatest heavy metal band ever!--Without them nobody would downtune and they have been a huge influence on about every hardrock band of the last 25 years--All their albums are good cuz i have all of them even with out Ozzy--I highly recomend--Sabbath Bloody Sabbath--Heaven and Hell--Black Sabbath--Master of Reality

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

The Non-Ozzy albums are just as good, Toni had the bands sound more polised with the other vocalists though. The Tony Martin years are so overlooked by people.

[rippa32]

Yes I know, the TYR album is way too underrated, of course it's the only Martin one I own but I'm assuming there all underrated. And as for Metallica it's my third (I already have the Black Album and Justice for All) but this is my favourite, something great about the whole thing (escape is a bit weak though). I wish I had discovered the music I listen to now in 7th Grade, it took me until the 10th.

[Brew]

TYR is one of my fav. Black Sabbath albums. Its kinda power-metal-ish which fits perfectly with what I'm into these days.

[AA-12]

Yes I know, the TYR album is way too underrated, of course it's the only Martin one I own but I'm assuming there all underrated. And as for Metallica it's my third (I already have the Black Album and Justice for All) but this is my favourite, something great about the whole thing (escape is a bit weak though). I wish I had discovered the music I listen to now in 7th Grade, it took me until the 10th.
I remember being a Metallica fanboy. :upset:

/has everything they've released

Anyway, is TYR really good? Would you/Andy suggest it?

[AA-12]

RTL was the first Metallica cd I got, its still my favourite album by them, I can play most of it on bass.

If I remember right I got it for a mere £7 at the Ozzfest in 2002 :)

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8581438#post8581438

Lets get Geezer into the next round!
I voted for Stefan Fimmers earlier before I saw this. After I did that, I realized how he was not even close to winning.

[Brew]

I remember being a Metallica fanboy. :upset:

/has everything they've released

Anyway, is TYR really good? Would you/Andy suggest it?

I'd rate it as the best from the Martin years.

[AA-12]

I guess i'll have to pick it up.

[Brew]

I picked it up then put it down then picked it up again before finally buying it.

I suck at choosing what albums to buy when I have money :(

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

Yes I know, the TYR album is way too underrated, of course it's the only Martin one I own but I'm assuming there all underrated. And as for Metallica it's my third (I already have the Black Album and Justice for All) but this is my favourite, something great about the whole thing (escape is a bit weak though). I wish I had discovered the music I listen to now in 7th Grade, it took me until the 10th.


I got into the classic rock n metal in like 1996 when i was like 12 and into power metal around age 15.

As for Tony Martin albums id say TYR is as good as any of them!! To many timeless tracks on there not to be!! Eternal Idol is just as good as is Cross Purposes (probley the best with him IMO). Headless Cross is good but not the best, Forbidden is a skipper yet...the song "Rusty Angels" as ive said before is one of the best songs Iommi ever penned.

[shadow_stalker]

Titch: Mr Wilkinson likes Sabbath!
I know he put some on in 10th year when me and dean asked what song it was on his laptop (i think it was hole in the sky or supernaut)

i voted geezer, if i can remember my other account password i would vote again, but i cant so...

[shadow_stalker]

I suck at choosing what albums to buy when I have money :(
Sabotage is next for me :cool:

No doubt sack-man will want to lend that aswell :angry:

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

^^^

Sabotage is my #1 Sabbath cd by a long-shot. You got to be a real fan to really appriciate it, not the best recordings and very abstract songwriting. Really at the top of their game musically and lyrically.

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

From Geezer about the Setlists and how PREDICTABLE they are!!

"I mean, I think we're all desperate to do new stuff," Geezer said of the thorny subject of the SABBATH live setlist. "But Mr. Osbourne won't do it. We're dying to do new stuff. I'm almost dreading playing the same 10 songs again, so hopefully we're going to talk Ozzy into doing some things." -GZR

[rippa32]

Yes I heard about that, one of the many reasons Ozzy is bringing sabbath down. I don't have Sabotage but I am a huge fan of Vol4, it took a while to grow on me but now I love it. I have heard Hole in the Sky, Symptom of the Universe and Megalomania from the Past Lives album though. Probably my three favourite songs so sabotage might be my next album. I was considering getting the Black Box set shipped from America to Australia though.

[Brew]

^^^

Sabotage is my #1 Sabbath cd by a long-shot. You got to be a real fan to really appriciate it, not the best recordings and very abstract songwriting. Really at the top of their game musically and lyrically.

Blow On A Jug is a great ending to that album :)

[shadow_stalker]

From Geezer about the Setlists and how PREDICTABLE they are!!

"I mean, I think we're all desperate to do new stuff," Geezer said of the thorny subject of the SABBATH live setlist. "But Mr. Osbourne won't do it. We're dying to do new stuff. I'm almost dreading playing the same 10 songs again, so hopefully we're going to talk Ozzy into doing some things." -GZR
Someone could do with giving ozzy a slap, with songs like 'psycho man' and 'selling my soul' it's obvious that they could make more great songs.

[Brew]

Haha (www.thisdoesnotexist.com/articles/ozzy.php)

Ozzy bites head off pet dog.

[Thunder Fingers]

just came back from thegig, they where bloody great! though.. ozzys voice turned weaker towards the end... i think they might have cutted some songs...

[Brew]

What was the setlist?

Or can I hazard a guess?

[Thunder Fingers]

its probaly the same as the regular they use with ozzy :p as he refuse to play anything he didnt record? i far from remember all the songs, but N.I.B, fairys where boots, paranoid, the wizard, black sabbath, iron man are the ones i remember the name of... if i use time to think, ill probaly remember more...

[Brew]

Hehe, he does refuse to play anything from the 80's or 90's which sucks but is fair enough I s'pose.

I'd love for them to play some other Ozz-era songs though, such as Tomorrow's Dream, Megalomania, Sabbra Cadabra, Killing Yourself to Live etc...basicly what they used to play before Ozzy got old and whatnot.

[rippa32]

Apparently they are playing Symptom of the Universe, but it's instrumental only and on top of that they only do the first half of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. Ozzy's voice couldn't have gotten that bad.

[Brew]

His voice for Symptom was bad enough on the Never Say Die DVD.

[rippa32]

What was wrong with it? Is it he can't reach the high notes anymore?

[DemonicRubberDucky]

Apparently they are playing Symptom of the Universe, but it's instrumental only and on top of that they only do the first half of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath. Ozzy's voice couldn't have gotten that bad.

On symptom of the universe is the sick drum solo there? Is it as good as the original sabbath?

[Brew]

What was wrong with it? Is it he can't reach the high notes anymore?

He hasn't been able to hit any decent high notes for years.

[rippa32]

Yeah that's what I thought. Although his voice has gotten better since giving up the drugs. If you listen to his Ozzmosis album you cann see that his voice is alot better than before, but still not as good as when he joined sabbath.

[Nate2008]

I agree, Ozzy's voice is better than ever.

[rippa32]

Well maybe not ever, it's still not as good as in the early to mid 70's.

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

What was the setlist?

Or can I hazard a guess?

haha, look on any best of cd and there ya go :lol: i crack myself up

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

He hasn't been able to hit any decent high notes for years.

what makes me mad is he claims "i can only sing certain songs" and than he cant even pull those off! Id rather watch him struggle through other songs than the same old ones.

[Brew]

I'd like to see him struggle through some Dio, Martin, Gillan and Hughes songs, they all did their best on the Ozzy songs so it'd only be fair for Ozz to do the same.

[classicrockman]

Is anybody a fan of Black Sabbath with Dio??

I think Ronnie James Dio was just as good as a singer as Ozzy was, if not better. I think he needs more recognition.

Listen to 'Heaven and Hell' 'Live Evil' and 'Mob Rules' :thumb: :thumb:

[Nate22]

The Dio era albums are all great. Other than Paranoid, Heaven and Hell is my favorite Sabbath album. Live Evil is one of my favorite live albums. Dio is an awesome live singer.

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

Is anybody a fan of Black Sabbath with Dio??

I think Ronnie James Dio was just as good as a singer as Ozzy was, if not better. I think he needs more recognition.

Listen to 'Heaven and Hell' 'Live Evil' and 'Mob Rules' :thumb: :thumb:

you forgot Dehumanizer and Live Evil :p

[Brew]

I really like everything Dio has ever done, back from his days with Ronnie and the Red Caps, Ronnie and the Prophets, Electric Elves, Elf and Rainbow, right through his Sabbath years, then his solo band Dio.

Great guy.

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

I have somewhere between 25-30 cds with Dio at the helm and i enjoy the majority of all of them (a few weak Dio albums here and there lol). Elf was suprienly a great find!!! Wonderful three albums he put out with them, really strong music and his vocals are still as potent as they were on those early 70's releases!! you just have to love Ronald James Padavona....oops, i mean Ronnie Dio ;)

[Brew]

For a short guy, he really does have a huge voice.

It'd be really bad if he started shrinking in old age...

[Brew]

This is the last post I'm going to make on the Covers Comp, if no-one replies we'll drop out

Right.

Seeing as we have like...2 weeks left, I think we should only do one song, 2 maximum.

We need someone to play guitar (I'm looking at you Frail) and someone to sing, I can handle drums and bass.

Song Choices.

Heaven and Hell
Paranoid
Black Sabbath
The Warning

Thats my list, discuss/add/flame/whatever it.

:)

[TerryThorne]

Personally I'd like to see Sweet Leaf, just because its hard and heavy and a moderate length. Also, its quite a popular track.

[Brew]

^Good choice, I can see someone really exaggerating the coughs at the start of it aswell, for comic value.

I'll get a little poll type thing going tomorrow afternoon once everyone has had a chance to see my post.

[AA-12]

Is Dio actually a really short guy? How short.

Also, Andy, check out the postcount. I've almost got you :p

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

^Good choice, I can see someone really exaggerating the coughs at the start of it aswell, for comic value.

I'll get a little poll type thing going tomorrow afternoon once everyone has had a chance to see my post.

hmmm i could do guitar for a track, wanna try Tomorrow's Dream? im just throwing one out there....how do we do this? i have an 8-track recorder and could record a rhythem and lead guitar track for a song and send you the file for those if you'd like....but of course would need to work out the song first, and fast too because i am getting new humbuckers installed in my ax next week!! lemme know, ill post back later this morning when i get home.

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

Is Dio actually a really short guy? How short.

Also, Andy, check out the postcount. I've almost got you :p


Ronnie is about 5'1 - 5'2 tops

[InChains]

i just got paranoid a week ago, my first BS album, i thought it was great.

favorite songs are probably war pigs, and hand of doom. and iron man of course

[rippa32]

Just wait till you hear stuff from thier other albums.

[blue3]

I only have one Black Sabbath album :( ..It's 'We Sold Our Soul for Rock N' Roll'

[jamsomecephalic!]

all this talkin about getting new cds that reminds me i need to buy summore.......u see im trying to currupt my 5 year old sister........ive got her playing ac/dc bass so its a start.........but n e ways i gave her some of my cds, need to buy some more......as for the her playing bass when she gets good enough ill have a jam buddy thats around ALL the time, neeto

[Josh]

all this talking about getting new cds, that reminds me i need to buy some more.......you see, im trying to corrupt my 5 year old sister........i've got her playing ac/dc bass so its a start.........but anyway i gave her some of my cds, need to buy some more......as for her playing bass, when she gets good enough i'll have a jam buddy thats around ALL the time, neeto
fix'd :thumb:

i'm off on holiday later, just put a load of songs on my mp3 player, including a bit of sabbath :)

[blue3]

She's 5 years old.. what can she play..?

[jamsomecephalic!]

ive toght her "shes got the jack-acdc" "back in black AC/DC" <<<<she cant really do the last of the main riff u know the 7-4-75-76-77 she cant really do that yet but for only playing for like a month shes getting pretty good for 5 years old

[blue3]

That's crazy..

[rippa32]

Yes id have trouble getting a 5 year old to even listen to a whole song due to the short attention span littlies have.

[shadow_stalker]

He hasn't been able to hit any decent high notes for years.
Kick him in the crotch, that will get him singing high notes.

[shadow_stalker]

haha, look on any best of cd and there ya go :lol: i crack myself up
It would be funnier if it wasn't a joke :upset:

On a lighter note i may well soon have a Dragonforce t-shirt, hurrah!

[rippa32]

Ive seen them I was thinking of getting one just because they look cool, even though I dont actually own any of their albums, although I am listening to one of their songs atm. On a more Sabbath related note im probably gonna get a sold our souls shirt.

[shadow_stalker]

I could do with more sabbath t-shirts, but for now it will have to wait until i stock up on power metal ones!

[rippa32]

What sabbath shirts do you already have?

[shadow_stalker]

Just 1, it has black sabbath spelled out in a cross, like this...but better

s
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*EDIT* didnt work, but you get the idea

[rippa32]

Yeah ive seen that. I reckon that design looks heaps good. Anyhoo im off for the night cya.

[shadow_stalker]

Woot i got the Dragonforce t-shirt!

imaginery rep all round

[Brew]

I've had a Dragonforce tshirt since last October. I've got the Sold Soul..tshirt by Sabbath and one that has the name on the front, and an old pic of the band (the one that used to be on black-sabbath.com main page) with a verse of Children of the Grave underneath :)

Frail - Tomorrow's Dream is a poss, I'm not really a fan of the bass part though. How I'm thinking of getting it together is taking an mp3 file of the guitar part, sticking it into Cubase, recording my bass into Cubase then programming in the drums.

[Brew]

Is Dio actually a really short guy? How short.

Also, Andy, check out the postcount. I've almost got you :p

I heard he's 5'4 maximum.

You get an account merge then?

[Six Foot Revolver]

I got an account merge and a name change :D

Woot i got the Dragonforce t-shirt!

imaginery rep all round
/is jealous

[jamsomecephalic!]

Yes id have trouble getting a 5 year old to even listen to a whole song due to the short attention span littlies have.
dude shes totally kool because she knows if she doesnt pay attention and starts bein annoying ill tell her to get out of my room

[JACKROXYOU]

dude shes totally kool because she knows if she doesnt pay attention and starts bein annoying ill tell her to get out of my room
sweet

[brettberry]

black sabbath

:smoke:

*just trying to keep on subject

[AA-12]

I heard he's 5'4 maximum.

You get an account merge then?
Basically, Jim gave me my old deleted account's posts/join date for this account.

Woot i got the Dragonforce t-shirt!

imaginery rep all round
Nice. I need to get some good power metal shirts.

[brettberry]

Black Sabbath

*Just keeping it goin on subject

:smoke:

[rippa32]

Say something constructive or get out.

[Brew]

Hey guys, I'd love it if we could get a song choson tonight for the cover, I can get the bass recorded into Cubase tomorrow at school y'see...could even make a start on doing the drums too.

My pick for a song goes to.....NIB.

[Child of the Grave]

i have a couple of questions regarding the album Vol. 4

so here goes

what is the orange part of the cover a picture of :confused:?
and is it just me, or is one of iommi's strings seriously out of tune?

[Child of the Grave]

anyone?

[Brew]

You n00b, you posted that at nearly 9am GMT, when most of us aren't around.

1. The picture is of Ozzy
2. They used a tuning of C#F#BE*insert other guitar string tunings here*

Ok?

[FrailandBedazzled1979]

Hey, i was thinking maybe Neon Knights? i can play guitar for it

[Six Foot Revolver]

what is the orange part of the cover a picture of :confused:?
:lol: How in gods name can you not see that it is Ozzy?

[ATM]

/voted for Geezer in the bassists poll :cool:

[Brew]

Hey, i was thinking maybe Neon Knights? i can play guitar for it

Possibly.

[rippa32]

Not that im involved or anything but I think N.I.B would be a better choice cause its one of there more popular ones that isnt overrated.

[shadow_stalker]

i have a couple of questions regarding the album Vol. 4

so here goes

what is the orange part of the cover a picture of :confused:?
and is it just me, or is one of iommi's strings seriously out of tune?
Never mind, everyone starts somwehere...if that makes sense.

More random sabbath cover stuff!
Slayer - Hand of doom (http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3NAKE9KWE0ZJG03Z2A6RB4Z18L)

a perfect cirlce - diary of a mad man (http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=37UVZK5XHJZS9052RMPV3XF6OZ) (not sabbath but i thought i would poat it anyway)


Dont suppose anyone can remember how to create a new track in audicity do they? im trying to cut up those hour long sabbath and ozzy demos i have.

[Brew]

I can do it in Nero Wave Editor.

But I'm lazy and it takes ages.

[rippa32]

Has anyone got any live tracks from the Born Again tour? If so could you upload it to yousendit.com? Preferably Ozzy era songs.

[Brew]

War Pigs - Live at Reading Festival 1983 (http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=34YW9GJMDI78Y0R6QFN3NQVSRM)

[shadow_stalker]

I was listening to past lives today and i have come to the conclusion that ozzy's voice sounds better than normal on songs like sympton of the universe and hole in the sky.

Parts of that war pigs sounded good to me, but i didnt like after the "oh lord yeah" bit when he started screeming...but apart from that it wasnt all to bad.

[rippa32]

It's probably due to the extra effort anyone would use for a live show. And thanks for the link brum:thumb:

[Jude]

Seeing as we have like...2 weeks left, I think we should only do one song, 2 maximum.

We need someone to play guitar (I'm looking at you Frail) and someone to sing, I can handle drums and bass.

Song Choices.

Heaven and Hell
Paranoid
Black Sabbath
The Warning

Thats my list, discuss/add/flame/whatever it.

:)

Do Sabbra Cadabra, because it's my favorite Sabbath song. And catchy as hell.

[rippa32]

Actually this guy is right, it would be a great song to do.

[shadow_stalker]

It's probably due to the extra effort anyone would use for a live show. And thanks for the link brum:thumb:
Extra effort to deafen people. :p

[rippa32]

Thats what happens when the amps go to 11.

[shadow_stalker]

Doesnt josh's amp go to 15?

[rippa32]

Yeah I think so. I dont know why they should.

[Brew]

My amp goes to 12 :cool:

About Sabbra Cadabra...I'd be willing to do it but we'd need to find a pianist/keyboard player.

[AA-12]

My amp goes to 12 :cool:

About Sabbra Cadabra...I'd be willing to do it but we'd need to find a pianist/keyboard player.
I play, but I have no way to record right now.
Doesnt josh's amp go to 15?
Yep.

[Brew]

Ahhh I just played The Warning for the first time in months, it felt great :cool:

[rippa32]

Is that on the first album? I only have songs from that on a best of. :upset:

[Brew]

I'll upload it for you.

Its a vinyl rip so its extra special.

Black Sabbath - Sleeping Village/The Warning (http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1GTCSJ546JD7A0Q5BXS4CQBDYQ)

[rippa32]

Oh its part of sleeping village? Then dont bother I have that live, awesome song too.

[Brew]

The first like...2 maybe 3mins of it are Sleeping Village, the other 12 are The Warning.

[rippa32]

is that 1 to 2 minutes or 12?

[Brew]

12.

The whole song is around 15mins long.

[shadow_stalker]

last time i tried to learn the warning on the guitar i kept forgetting parts when i learnt new ones, so i gave up.

[Brew]

Hehe.

Most of the bass part is improvised so I'm alright :cool:

[shadow_stalker]

Is it all a cover or are some parts a cover and other parts improvisation by the band?

[Brew]

I'm guessing the parts with lyrics were written by Dunbar, with the rest being improv.

[shadow_stalker]

Woo i have finally got a vinyl player!

Omg I BeT If 1 PlAy SonGs BaCKwarDs TheN Ozzy Will Talk All SataIc!

[Brew]

I don't think it works with any Sabbath tracks, its always worth a try though.

[shadow_stalker]

lol, as sad as it sounds i may try the whole stariway to heaven thing.

Ooh i found a shop that has live evil for £5 on vinyl so if it is there next time i see it i will buy it (sound good?)

[Brew]

I think I got it for £7 so yeh, £5 sounds good.

Great album.

[shadow_stalker]

there are too many albums that i want, i really hate being poor.

Anyone that says money doesnt bring happieness has obviously never tried being poor!

[SpaceAce.]

black sabbath is good
when ozzy left they sucked

[Brew]

black sabbath is good
when ozzy left they sucked

When Ozzy got sacked you mean?

[shadow_stalker]

black sabbath is good
when ozzy left they sucked
Ah i remember those days of thinking, i used to think that any sabbath without ozzy was ****, but that all changed when i heard TV crimes.

[rippa32]

Yeah TV Crimes is good, I love playing the intro on guitar. And turntables are great I play all my dad old records on it, no needle atm though. And dont try the stairway thing its bull****.

[AA-12]

Huh? The Stairway thing works.

[Jude]

Huh? The Stairway thing works.

Only if you're trying to hear the supposed lyrics.

[rippa32]

^What he said.

[AA-12]

Only if you're trying to hear the supposed lyrics.
You can hear it quite easily.

[Jude]

You can hear it quite easily.

If you make yourself hear them. If you just listened to it without the lyrics in front of you you wouldn't hear them from it.

[AA-12]

If you make yourself hear them. If you just listened to it without the lyrics in front of you you wouldn't hear them from it.
I did.

[Brew]

Led Zep...meh.

Seeing as we only have like...1 week left of this covers comp and we still haven't gotten anywhere I'm gonna pull us out of it next time the thread is bumped.

[shadow_stalker]

tis a pity, but nevermind life goes on

[rippa32]

You could see it wasn't going to happen.

[Brew]

:(

Ah well, maybe next time.

[rippa32]

I would definately have done it if I had a way of recording.

[shadow_stalker]

I went away yesturday shopping, unbelievable HMV and music zone had no copies of sabotage, I go to virign £25.99!!!

[Brew]

£26 for a copy of Sabotage?

:lol:

[shadow_stalker]

£1 more and it would have cost the same as st anger.

[Brew]

£27?

wtf?

[Rising]

how come that when ozzy played with the band , Sabbath was not thrash like you know ?, dont get me wrong, they were great with ozzy,
but i heard some stuff without ozzy and it was really thrasher metal, how come they changed their style of metal when ozzy came ?

[Brew]

I guess it all depended on the band members at the time.

For instance, when Cozy Powell was with them, he was known for being quite a fast drummer which is why they did quite a few faster songs with him.

What songs have you heard without Ozzy?

[iBENezrocker]

I like 'War Pigs' a lot. The more I've listened to Black Sabbath lately, I've noticed that they sound a lot like Led Zeppelin. Has anyone ever noticed that or am I crazy?

Monti

It was opnly a matter of time before some one found it absolutely nessacery to compare Zep to Sabbath. It really gets on my **** when people do that. They came from the same era,and played hard rock but thats where the similarities end.Black Sabbath, theyre "debut" if you like is so different from Communication breakdown.To show you how different they are listen to these songs Hows this for similarity

Wheels Of Confusion - Tangerine
Paranoid - Livin' Lovin Maid
Black Sabbath - Gallows Pole
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath - Trampled Underfoot

You get the idea, there are one or two songs that sound similar, but its not fair to compare 'em. Both equally great in their own ways.

[Brew]

Both are great, but Sabbath are the greatest :p

[rippa32]

Although you have to admit zeppelin has much more talent. And on the topic of 70's hard rock does anyone listen to uriah heep? I just downloaded Gypsy its bloody awesome.

[shadow_stalker]

Never heard of them


My bro is getting me either silence or eliptica for my birthday :thumb:

[rippa32]

It was opnly a matter of time before some one found it absolutely nessacery to compare Zep to Sabbath. It really gets on my **** when people do that. They came from the same era,and played hard rock but thats where the similarities end.Black Sabbath, theyre "debut" if you like is so different from Communication breakdown.To show you how different they are listen to these songs Hows this for similarity

Wheels Of Confusion - Tangerine
Paranoid - Livin' Lovin Maid
Black Sabbath - Gallows Pole
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath - Trampled Underfoot

You get the idea, there are one or two songs that sound similar, but its not fair to compare 'em. Both equally great in their own ways.

I don't think Paranoid sounds anything like Livin Lovin Maid or that Sabbath Bloody Sabbath sounds like Trampled Underfoot. I cant judge the other two cos i havnt heard em.

[Brew]

Paranoid sounds like Dazed and Confused, well...they both have a similar riff at one point.

I'm thinking about doing a FA on Sabbath soon...I'm not sure whether to just cover the Ozz years or do their entire career.

Suggestions?

[AA-12]

I suggest entire career. The FA's are usually there to inform people of the overall band, so doing only Ozzy would take away from it.

[ATM]

Paranoid sounds like Dazed and Confused, well...they both have a similar riff at one point.

I'm thinking about doing a FA on Sabbath soon...I'm not sure whether to just cover the Ozz years or do their entire career.

Suggestions?

Doing the entire career will allow you to tell the story of what happened, etc

I'd be interested in learning why Ozzy stopped singing for Sabbath.

[Brew]

I'll start writing it later probably, but it might not be posted here for a good few weeks yet.

[TerryThorne]

Anyone know where I could find Sabbath videos?

[Brew]

Limewire/Winmx etc...

You after music videos or live concert videos?

[TerryThorne]

both actually, mostly just to see Geezer play

[Brew]

I may have one or two music videos somewhere, I'll have a look and upload them if I have.

[Josh]

bumped to kill spam one 1st page...

i listened to When Death Calls for the first time in a while today, awesome song...

[Brew]

bumped to kill spam one 1st page...

i listened to When Death Calls for the first time in a while today, awesome song...

*dum du du dum dum dum*

''When Death Calls!''

Good song :)

Ok...this isn't a music video of Sabbath, but its still funny to watch.

Black Sabbath Cartoon (http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2T79Q56VQRU3D28L4WHPH4HQIJ)

[TerryThorne]

that's pretty funny to see animated black sabbath

[Josh]

that cartoon was just awesome. you got any more?

[Brew]

Nah, to my knowledge thats the only one that was made.

I seem to have deleted my other Sabbath videos (I had Die Young and Neon Knights at one point) which is a bit of a bum.

[shadow_stalker]

Paranoid sounds like Dazed and Confused, well...they both have a similar riff at one point.

I'm thinking about doing a FA on Sabbath soon...I'm not sure whether to just cover the Ozz years or do their entire career.

Suggestions?

You could do like on teh story of dvds/videos, do part 1 ozzy (maybe early dio) then part 2 post ozzy.

That cartoon was bloody odd to say the least

[Brew]

You could do like on teh story of dvds/videos, do part 1 ozzy (maybe early dio) then part 2 post ozzy.

Thats kinda what I was thinking of doing.

Even if it doesn't end up being an ''Official'' FA I'll still make a thread, something like ''Brums History of Hard Rocks Greatest Band''

[shadow_stalker]

Would work.

woot 17 in 51 mins

[rippa32]

Hey that was a great cartoon Brum. Where did you get it?

[Brew]

I found it on Winmx sometime last year.

[rippa32]

Nice, I liked what they did with Bill. Anyhoo I was wandering if it would be worth getting the Black Box shipped from America (I live in Australia).

[shadow_stalker]

Jesus ripper what the **** is your new avatar? it scared the **** outa me!

How much would it cost to get it shipped?


ok i had to post this link because the smilies amuse me, http://streamin-dio2.darktech.org/Enter_1/Non_DIO/The_Music/BlackSabbathOzzy/0zzySabbath.html

[rippa32]

Its not the shipping that bothers me, I just dont want it getting lost in the mail or something. And my avatar is Uriah Heeps first album cover. Its even better seeing it on the record cover.

[Brew]

I thought about getting The Black Box the other day.

I need some money though.

[Klander Brigade]

I saw them last night at Ozzfest for the second time. This was their better of the two performances. Great stuff

[ATM]

I can't believe I missed Ozzfest :-/

[Brew]

I went to Ozzfest in 2002 at Donington :)

[Kronos]

Its not the shipping that bothers me, I just dont want it getting lost in the mail or something. And my avatar is Uriah Heeps first album cover. Its even better seeing it on the record cover.

I always liked their "Abominog" album cover. One of my all time faves, in fact.

[shadow_stalker]

I went to Ozzfest in 2002 at Donington :)
I was going to go see them at download this year but due to money problems and other reasons i didnt go.

I think i have a live sabbath video of heaven and hell on my comp somewhere if i can find it i will post it.

[zeppelinman234]

I like 'War Pigs' a lot. The more I've listened to Black Sabbath lately, I've noticed that they sound a lot like Led Zeppelin. Has anyone ever noticed that or am I crazy?

The soloish part of electric funeral sounds like Zeppelin

[zeppelinman234]

Can Anyone play The Wizard on harmonica because it seems impossible to me

[shadow_stalker]

you could probably find tabs for it somewhere on the internet.

i really need to look into getting a harmonica

[rippa32]

That would be quite an interesting instrument to learn.

[AA-12]

Me playing the harmonica horribly \m/ (http://www.soundclick.us/speedX/05/05/freemp3/astralexistence+bluesharmonica.mp3)

[rippa32]

No offence but is that even a real song?

[AA-12]

No, haha. I was just improvising on the first day I got the harmonica.

[rippa32]

Oh ok well in that case it wasnt that bad. :thumb:

[Brew]

So I just saw that thread about Ozzy pulling Sabbath out of performing at Ozzfest last night due to a cold.

Its a shame Judas Priest weren't with them, I'm sure Halford would've filled in again.

I seriously think that Ozz should consider retiring.

[shadow_stalker]

As much as i love ozzy he is ****ing up sabbath, they should go drag martin out of whatever rock he is sitting under.

I journied to carlisle yesturday and returned with the following cds:

Black Sabbath - Sabotage
Thin Lizzy - Greatest hits
Iron Maiden - Fear of the dark
Iron Maiden - Seventh son of a seventh son
Testament - Days of darkness
Iced Earth - Alive in athens

[rippa32]

True about the ozzy thing, bring back Dio I say, if only hed do it. I would loveto see Halford with them.

[AA-12]

Like Richard said, I love Ozzy but he needs to go. Halford would be cool with them but I doubt it will happen.

NP: Megadeth - Tears In A Vial

[shadow_stalker]

I think i must be one of the only people in the world that doesnt like Rob Halford's voice :confused:

[AA-12]

I used to not like it but now I love it.

[rippa32]

When I said halford I meant just one of those one-off things he did. It would have been awesome to see two Dehuminizer tour shows, one Dio one Halford.

[Brew]

I'm going to see Dio in October, he's playing all of Holy Diver then a greatest hits set :)

I'm pretty sure he still does a version of Heaven and Hell which should be good.

[Dr. Killgreedy]

my fav black sabbath albums with out ozzy is tyr and cross purposes. i forgot who the singer is on those two but it is probaly some of iommi's best riffs with out ozzy imo.

[Brew]

Tony Martin sung on those albums.

[Kronos]

I'm going to see Dio in October, he's playing all of Holy Diver then a greatest hits set :)

I'm pretty sure he still does a version of Heaven and Hell which should be good.


Ahoy. Long time no speak Brumm. :wave: Where's this Dio gig? Didn't get to hear about that one.

[Brew]

I'm seeing him the Bristol Accademy.

A shockingly poor venue, but its all we've really got round here for the bigger bands...I'll post a list of dates in a moment.

10/9/2005 Sheffield, UK Foundry
10/10/2005 Nottingham, UK Rock City
10/11/2005 Norwich, UK UEA
10/13/2005 Newcastle, UK Newcastle University
10/14/2005 Glasgow, UK Academy
10/15/2005 Manchester, UK Academy
10/17/2005 Exeter, UK Exeter University
10/18/2005 Bristol, UK Academy :cool:
10/20/2005 Southampton, UK Guildhall
10/21/2005 Wolverhampton, UK Wulfrun
10/22/2005 London, UK Astoria
10/25/2005 Dublin, Ireland The Music Centre
10/26/2005 Belfast, Ireland The Spring & Airbrake

[Kronos]

Cheers for that list - Norwich is less than an hour's drive (actually it's less than 40 miles but the road there is shocking). I will se if any tickets are still available - I would love to see him before his Zimmer days arrive!

[Brew]

Check out his website, on the homepage the picture of the band makes him look really short.

I remember in an interview he did for Classic Rock magazine they did an A-Z of Dio, for Z he mentioned Zimmer Frame.

[Kronos]

Check out his website, on the homepage the picture of the band makes him look really short.

I remember in an interview he did for Classic Rock magazine they did an A-Z of Dio, for Z he mentioned Zimmer Frame.

Didn't know that! Thanks for the info bout the gigs.

/thinks were P Platform Boots and S stilts?

[Brew]

:lol: I can't quite remember, I'll have to find the magazine out tomorrow if I get bored...

[Dr. Killgreedy]

thanx for the info.

[Brew]

thanx for the info.

You're welcome :)

[Dr. Killgreedy]

hey yall i was just wondering, but which sabbath song do yall like the best? mine is war pigs and children of the grave.

[Brew]

I can't pick one I like best, I could probably make a list of the albums I own then pick my fave song(s) from those albums...

Black Sabbath - NIB, The Warning, Evil Woman
Paranoid - Planet Caravan
Master of Reality - Solitude, Children of the Grave, After Forever
Vol.4 - Tomorrow's Dream, Laguna Sunrise, Under the Sun
Sabbath Blood Sabbath - Fluff, Who Are You, Sabbra Cadabra
Sabotage - Megalomania, The Writ
Technical Ecstasy - Gypsy, She's Gone, Back Street Kids
Never Say Die! - Air Dance, Swinging the Chain
Heaven and Hell - Die Young, Heaven and Hell, Lonely is the Word
The Mob Rules - The Sign of the Southern Cross, Mob Rules
Live Evil - The Sign of the Southern Cross/Heaven and Hell/Paranoid medley, NIB, Neon Knights
Born Again - Trashed, Stonehenge, Born Again
The Eternal Idol - The Shining, Ancient Warrior, Scarlet Pimpernel
Headless Cross - Headless Cross, Kill in the Spirit World, Heaven in Black
TYR - Jerusalem, The Law Maker, The Sabbath Stones
Dehumanizer - TV Crimes, I

:)

[Dr. Killgreedy]

well that sums it up. lol good songs and definitely a collection.

[Brew]

I've got a few bootlegs knocking around somewhere aswell, I think I've got 22 albums in total when including them...

[Dr. Killgreedy]

i dont have that many albums but i do have alot of downloaded songs on my laptop. every now and then i come across a few good albums in a pawn shop or my local music store that i havent got or that ive been lookin for.

[ATM]

I have the s/t, Paranoid, and the greatest hits.

[Dr. Killgreedy]

i didnt like iommi's side project all that well because i think the lyrics arent as strong as they should be. his album "fused" isnt what i expected it to be. i wish he would go back to sabbath and get martin or ozzy to sing for him. if he did it would probaly be best for him.

[rippa32]

He is in Sabbath, Ozzy is singing for him, there doin a tour right now in Europe and I wish I could go.

[Dr. Killgreedy]

oh ok i had heard they had stopped touring. well thats a good thing.

[rippa32]

Well they never really stopped touring but its been a while since the last album. 10 years in fact.

[shadow_stalker]

10/13/2005 Newcastle, UK Newcastle University
Hmm may go to that

[shadow_stalker]

Paranoid - Planet Caravan
Ah classic Andy :lol:

EDIT: oops double post

[Dr. Killgreedy]

i wish i could but unfortunately i cant go cause i got to work.

[rippa32]

That would be a pain in the ***. Black Sabbath is one of the bands I really want to see, and would pay anything to do so.

[Dr. Killgreedy]

i wanted too but i cant miss work again, ill get fired. ive used up all my sick and vacation days. i wish i could call in dead but then how would i get paid. i really love my job but i just hate missing a sabbath concert or any good show for that matter.

[Dr. Killgreedy]

to answer the question earlier, i believe sabbath was psychedelic rock in the early and late 70's but now they seem more of metal pedecessors.

[rippa32]

They were Hard Rock in the 70's and then on IMO, even the exctremely heavy Dehuminizer album wasn't true metal. True metal is based on classical yet Dehuminizer was still based on Iommi's Jazz and Blues background.

[rippa32]

Well nothing is happening in this thread so I'll have to double post. Oh and Brum where did you get those bootlegs, downloading or buying illegal CD's?

[Brew]

I downloaded them from various P2P's. I've got a gig from 1971, Live at Last (I consider it to be a bootleg) and a gig from 1980 with Dio on vocals and Bill Ward on drums.

[rippa32]

Did Live At Last end up on the Past Lives album? I heard it did and a few songs on that album are of lesser quality than the rest.

[Brew]

I think Disc 1 of Past Lives is Live at Last. Most of the album is pretty good but its a bit crap in some parts.

The bootleg I have from 1971 includes a VERY long guitar solo/jam from Iommi during Wicked World. Its brilliant.

[shadow_stalker]

On the second disc i wish they put war pigs on (the version that is on story of vol 1...) i would have preferd that one rather than the version on disc 1

[Brew]

Warpurlgis?

Good song, slightly darker than War Pigs which is always good.

I think I have a live version of it somewhere...

[rippa32]

Yeah I heard it from the Ozzman Cometh CD. Is that long solo/jam jazz? Cos its on Past Lives.

[shadow_stalker]

the only versions of Warpurlgis are on story of... dvd, The ozzman cometh and some hour long sabbath and ozzy demos i have, i think they are all different lyrically.

[Brew]

The lyrics are different in Warpurlgis to War Pigs, I think theres an extra verse and the order is a little different.

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[rippa32]

Isn't there also a version of Black Sabbath with an extra verse that was released on the Ozzman Cometh?

[Brew]

Its the original version of the song, the extra verse is really dark and quite evil, I like it alot.

[shadow_stalker]

Not sure if i have heard the extra verse, i know i have heard the extra verse on one of the older versions of black sabbath.

Woot 200 pages

[rippa32]

If I remember properly it had something to do with baby snatching. Wonder why they didnt release it in the final version.

[Brew]

Child cries out for his mother
Mother's screaming in the fire
Satan points at me again
Opens the door to push me in
Oh No!

The extra verse on Black Sabbath.

[shadow_stalker]

I love the meldo-dramatic "oh no" on black sabbath

[rippa32]

Actually you should hear Ian Gillan do it, its incredible.

EDIT: You can get it here, http://home.swipnet.se/sabbath83/

[rippa32]

7th page!!:eek:

Im going to have to try save this thread through trivia again.

Who replaced Bill Ward on the Born Again tour? and what band was he from?

[sunsinger]

Who replaced Bill Ward on the Born Again tour? and what band was he from?
I think it was Vinnie Appice, not sure what band.

[Brew]

It was...Bev Bevan.

Not sure what band he was from though.

Vinny replaced Bill on the Heaven and Hell tour.

[sunsinger]

I think he was in Electric Light Orchestra.

[Brew]

<---

I should go outside for a bit.

[rippa32]

I don't get it. And anyways yes it was Bev Bevan and yes he was from ELO.
Well done both of you.

[Brew]

Look at my postcount :)

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I guess I'll ask a trivia question now...

What is the only Black Sabbath song that Tony Iommi has done backing vocals on?

[rippa32]

I can't remember but it was on either Technical Ecstacy or Never Say Die. And nice avatar.

[Brew]

Cheers, your avatar is going to be copied to my computer from vinyl sometime this afternoon :)

The answer to my Trivia Q is on the Never Say Die! album.

[Metallideth666]

a hard road

[Metallideth666]

bill ward also sings lead vocals on swinging the chain

[Brew]

He also sings the vocals on Its Alright, from the Technical Ecstasy album :)

Here's one that you might not get...

Who played the harmonica on Swinging the Chain?

[sunsinger]

I'm pretty sure it was John Elstar.

[Brew]

I'm pretty sure it was John Elstar.

I'll go check.

Edit: Yep, you're right :)

[rippa32]

Why not ozzy? He plays it on The Wizard doesn't he?

[shadow_stalker]

Yeah he played on the wizard, maybe over the years he couldnt anymore...or he was just to drugged up to do it

[Brew]

Why not ozzy? He plays it on The Wizard doesn't he?

Probably like what shadow said - too drugged up or un-interested in the album to play it. I think the Castle re-masters credit Ozzy for playing it though.

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5000th post in the thread :chug: