Rock and Metal's Black Sabbath Thread

[Brew]

ToRidTheDisease

He's banned, I have no idea why but I'm guessing its a perm seeing as he's not been here for ages.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Hey, it's Josh (Laiho)

I got banned for some dumb ****, and lately I haven't been coming here much. I usually only post at my forums and sometimes here. I've been kind of pissed lately because I had something happen that made me almost completely unable to play guitar/bass, so i'm just kind of stuck right now not knowing what to do.

But anyway, I guess i'll start posting here more often and in this thread.

[Brew]

Welcome back to the madness :wave:

What happened to you? It sounds crappy :(

[Ghoul Hunter]

http://www.musicianalliance.net/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=458

There's the thread on it.

[Brew]

Bugger dude.

Isn't it similar to what happened to Dave Mustaine?

[Ghoul Hunter]

Kind of, i'm basically going the same route as him, but i'm not sure if i'll ever be able to play much again.

[Brew]

That sucks, take it easy for a bit and you might be all good to go again.

[shadow_stalker]

Get well soon. :thumb:

[viva_la_danny]

that sucks

[Ghoul Hunter]

I'm thinking of possibly trying to learn guitar left handed, but i'm not sure.

[rippa32]

Dam that would be hard to do. It would be like starting all over again. What happened to Mustaine? (Im not a Megadeth fan ... yet). How long ago did you hurt youre hand?

[rippa32]

Well this thread is getting slow again.

[Brew]

Yer, true.

I'll post some kind of review type thingy about Born Again and The Eternal Idol once I've ripped them onto my pooter.

[shadow_stalker]

It seems we have ran out of things to talk about...

[Brew]

Not so long ago I was going to do a FA on Sabbath, but I got lazy and didn't start it.

I may do one eventually.

[shadow_stalker]

Lol, would be pretty good to see.

You should do it.

[rippa32]

So what did Mustaine do to his hand?

[Brew]

I think he slept on his arm weird, woke up and couldn't move his hand. He trapped a nerve in his elbow I think.

I got back from band practise about half an hour ago, we've got Iron Man, Hole in the Sky and NIB in our set for Battle of the Bands in a few weeks time.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Dam that would be hard to do. It would be like starting all over again. What happened to Mustaine? (Im not a Megadeth fan ... yet). How long ago did you hurt youre hand?
Last Tuesday I believe.

[Endless Obsession]

So what did Mustaine do to his hand?

Motorcycle accident. Effed up his nerve.

[Ghoul Hunter]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347154

Any of you want to?

[Brew]

I have my music tech arrangement of NIB on my pooter, would we be able to submit that?

[Ghoul Hunter]

It has to be of the members that post in the thread.

[Brew]

Ok.

Can I play bass?

[Ghoul Hunter]

Sure. I could try guitar, and maybe program the drums.

[Brew]

Sweet.

Do we actually have a drummer in this thread? How about a vocalist?

[Ghoul Hunter]

shadowstalker plays drums.

Vocals I may be able to do, but I doubt I could sound like Ozzy at all.

[Brew]

Who says we're doing an Ozzy song? :p

[Ghoul Hunter]

:-X

:lol:

I may be able to do Dio song alright, if we do Dio era.

[Endless Obsession]

If you guys want a chance at winning, i suggest going with a Ozzy era song, only because u want the people to recognize it, but you dont want Iron Man or something that is way played out.

[RustedPieces]

I'd like to hear you guys do Sabbra Cadabra. That would be cool.

[Brew]

I can play Sabbra Cadabra.

The Warning would be good to do, I can play that.

Iron Man is easy.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Hmm.

[Brew]

i_am_jimmy_page can play drums, I think. Not sure how he'd record them though.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I have no problem programming them, it's just i've never tried covering the drums in a song, so i'm not sure how hard it is.

[Brew]

Ideally if we want it to sound good, the drums + bass would need to be recorded at the same time, If we programmed the drums first, then layed the bass over it, the guitar could then be done with the vocals being last.

[Ghoul Hunter]

True, but the bass and drum parts could be mixed so they sound alright.

[Brew]

Aye.

So...when do we need to choose a song + get it all done?

[Ghoul Hunter]

Hmm, i'd say as soon as possible, that way we wouldn't be pushed for time, but i'm sure they'll announce the deadline soon.

[Brew]

Okie.

If we could get a guitarist to do The Warning, that would be really good.

Unless they set a limit on song length, that would suck.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I can try to learn The Warning.

EDIT: Maybe not. :-/

[Dave*Grohl]

I like 'War Pigs' a lot. The more I've listened to Black Sabbath lately, I've noticed that they sound a lot like Led Zeppelin. Has anyone ever noticed that or am I crazy?

Monti

idiot, Led Zeppelin sounds like Black Sabbath, not the other way around

[Ghoul Hunter]

idiot, Led Zeppelin sounds like Black Sabbath, not the other way around
Wow.

Remove yourself from my thread please.

[Brew]

idiot, Led Zeppelin sounds like Black Sabbath, not the other way around

refl.

n00bs that don't read further than the first page are funny.

[Ghoul Hunter]

refl.

n00bs that don't read further than the first page are funny.
:lol: It's great to watch people in this thread.

[Brew]

idiot, Led Zeppelin sounds like Black Sabbath, not the other way around

Can you explain how Led Zep sounds like Sabbath instead of Sabbath sounding like Led Zep?

Surely its the same thing?

[rippa32]

Actually I think they sound nothing alike but thats just me.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Same here.

[Arise II]

Since there's obviously a few hardc0re fans here, can anybody tell me what's up with the extremely phucked up drum sound on "Children Of The Grave""

[Brew]

Percussion.

I'm not 100% what Bill used, but its close to bongo drums I think.

[Hauntedman]

I haven't read all 172 pages but I don't think Zeppelin sound like Sabbath. However British doomsters Cathedral DO sound a helluva lot like Sabbath, especially on The Carnival Bizarre. Anyone agree?

[Brew]

From what I've heard of Cathedral, I'd say that they've been influenced alot by Sabbath.

[shadow_stalker]

Percussion.

I'm not 100% what Bill used, but its close to bongo drums I think.

Sounds like they just recorded an extra track with african drums.

You guys gonna do a song for that thing?

[Ghoul Hunter]

Yes.

[shadow_stalker]

What song you doing?

[Ghoul Hunter]

We haven't really decided yet.

[Josh]

Titch, do you have a multitrack recorder thing, or were you just talking about getting one?

[shadow_stalker]

You could do paranoid :lol:

[shadow_stalker]

Titch, do you have a multitrack recorder thing, or were you just talking about getting one?

Im gonna buy one, but i need a job.

[Arise II]

Come on, Into the Void or Symptom of the Universe \m/

[Josh]

You could do paranoid :lol:
yeh.......let's.......not.

get a job, then you can do the whole song by yourself :lol:

[shadow_stalker]

I feel sorry for the drummer that has to do sympton of the universe.

[shadow_stalker]

yeh.......let's.......not.

get a job, then you can do the whole song by yourself :lol:


We played allendale on monday, it was bollocks :lol:

I was learning valley of the ****ed by dragonforce the other day on the guitar, its bloody solid!

[Josh]

did you do paranoid? i would have paid to see (and laugh at) Stu trying to sing that. at least you got paid.

[shadow_stalker]

We didnt do it (Zed-x did though), i havnt got my share of the pay yet! :angry:


Josh (sack-man josh) how do you fancy starting a metal band when you get good on the bass?

[Josh]

yeh, get philly in as well, he's actually a decent singer as well as a good guitarist. what sabbath is easy on bass (but not fast)?

[shadow_stalker]

how about no on philly singing...

I've decided that by the end of the holidays i am going to have learnt all of the paranoid album on the drums...possibaly with the exception of war pigs.

[Ghoul Hunter]

^^^Iron Man is quite fun and easy.

I really need to get people in my band. It gets old doing vocals/guitar/drums/bass/keyboard alone, haha. I'm sure with more people it would be more interesting anyway.

[shadow_stalker]

Iron man is really fun to play, especially when you just use one tom.

Problem is there aint anyone i really know to be in a band with that will do metal...

[shadow_stalker]

Electric funeral is one of the funnest songs i have ever played when it gets to the break-down bit.

Ooh double post.

[Josh]

well, who we get to sing then? anyway, would only work if you stay on at school next year...

[Ghoul Hunter]

We all should start an internet band. :lol:

[shadow_stalker]

Nah ill probably just come in whenever i can be arsed anyway.

[Josh]

We all should start an internet band. :lol:


that would be entertaining...

[shadow_stalker]

We all should start an internet band. :lol:
I would if i could record decently onto my comp :upset:


If ollie proves that he can actually sing then he can sing for us, on the basis that he doesnt come near me when im playing...(that was to sack-man)

[Ghoul Hunter]

I would if i could record decently onto my comp :upset:
What gear do you have? Also, what instruments?

[shadow_stalker]

I have bass, guitar, drums, piano, keyboard, recorder and a harmonica knocking about somewhere.

I can use a mic but i dont have anything to plug it into, unless i used somehing like an MP3 player.

[Josh]

I would if i could record decently onto my comp :upset:


If ollie proves that he can actually sing then he can sing for us, on the basis that he doesnt come near me when im playing...(that was to sack-man)
:lol: roflmao. but no, we want a decent band... :rolleyes: instrumental metal?

[Ghoul Hunter]

:lol: roflmao. but no, we want a decent band... :rolleyes: instrumental metal?
My project right now is an instrumental metal band, haha.

[shadow_stalker]

Instrumental bands tend to blow, i'll sing...

...

......

[Ghoul Hunter]

I have bass, guitar, drums, piano, keyboard, recorder and a harmonica knocking about somewhere.

I can use a mic but i dont have anything to plug it into, unless i used somehing like an MP3 player.
I see. Try to find an adapter for the mic or something.

[Josh]

can you not plug into your pc, and get a recording program from somewhere?

[shadow_stalker]

I suppose if i just got a music sofetware program for my comp i could plug the mic straight in...but then i would have the problem the i wouldnt be able to record drums...

[Ghoul Hunter]

I suppose if i just got a music sofetware program for my comp i could plug the mic straight in...but then i would have the problem the i wouldnt be able to record drums...
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

[shadow_stalker]

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

Very nice :thumb:

[Ghoul Hunter]

Very nice :thumb:
With some tweaking, you can get great results.

[shadow_stalker]

Maybe you could do something like snowblind for that competition...

[Brew]

I can record onto my comp easily, w00t.

I think we should get a shortlist of songs going, my list would be...

Iron Man
Sabbra Cadabra
The Warning
Heaven and Hell
Under the Sun
Hole in the Sky

[shadow_stalker]

Josh this recording thing is the single greatest thing i have seen in my life, i love it.

[shadow_stalker]

Do Black Moon, that song is great

[Ghoul Hunter]

Josh this recording thing is the single greatest thing i have seen in my life, i love it.
:thumb:

[shadow_stalker]

Soldiers of the wasteland by dragonforce sounds cool with lots of echo on the intro.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Try improvising a bit, and going to the effects things and "reversing" it.

[RustedPieces]

I love changing the pitch of the songs. It's so funny.

[shadow_stalker]

Im trying to find a nice song to play about with, sabbath bloody sabbath would be pretty good if it didnt have effects on it already.


I'm well pissed off i spent about 20 mins mixing where were you last night by nightwish then the programme crashed! :angry:

[Ghoul Hunter]

Anyone wanna hear my trippy tone test/improv?

[shadow_stalker]

ok.

Hehe i put soldiers of the wasteland on 400 tempo it was about 30 seconds long.

[Ghoul Hunter]

ok.

Hehe i put soldiers of the wasteland on 400 tempo it was about 30 seconds long.
:lol:

Here:

http://uploadhut.com/download/image.php/?file=139449.mp3

Also, note that I wasn't trying to make music, I was just messing around.

[shadow_stalker]

Getting it now...

[jmoney]

hooray i just got the black box!

[rippa32]

You lucky bugger. How much did you get it for?

[Arise II]

I feel sorry for the drummer that has to do sympton of the universe.


Heh, you should hear Sepultura's version. That Igor is phucking crazy

[ledhed1]

The pioneers of Metal as we know it.
I think sabbath is one of the best bands ever to grace the stage.
I just bought their live album "Past Lives" and it just rocks like no other.
You people should think about picking that album up next time you go to the record store.

[rippa32]

Yes I have it and i would definately agree with you. So would shadowstalker. How good is the jazz improvisation after Wicked Worlds solo?

[gunzofslash]

who do you guys think is better toni iommi or randy rhoads

[rippa32]

You sir, are an idiot. Randy Rhoads has never played for Black Sabbath.

[Ghoul Hunter]

who do you guys think is better toni iommi or randy rhoads
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[shadow_stalker]

The pioneers of Metal as we know it.
I think sabbath is one of the best bands ever to grace the stage.
I just bought their live album "Past Lives" and it just rocks like no other.
You people should think about picking that album up next time you go to the record store.

That album is awesome, i'm still scarred to use the pick incase i rub black sabbath off of it. :lol:

[shadow_stalker]

who do you guys think is better toni iommi or randy rhoads

:amaze: ...

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:lol:

[King_Karl]

who do you guys think is better toni iommi or randy rhoads
Not a good way to start. Delete the post quickly!

[Six Foot Revolver]

who do you guys think is better toni iommi or randy rhoads
:lol: How come so many people ask that in here?

[rippa32]

That album is awesome, i'm still scarred to use the pick incase i rub black sabbath off of it. :lol:

Yeah same, although there was one time I was late for guitar practice and I just grabbed that pick in a hurry. Now the edge its slightly shredded, I have no idea why. Must be a cheap pick.

[Six Foot Revolver]

Yeah same, although there was one time I was late for guitar practice and I just grabbed that pick in a hurry. Now the edge its slightly shredded, I have no idea why. Must be a cheap pick.
Does it come free with the album? If so then it is probably a cheap pick

[rippa32]

Yeah it comes free, but its a deluxe packaging cause you can also get a jewel case version that doesnt come with a poster or pick and only half of the california jam photo.

[Brew]

who do you guys think is better toni iommi or randy rhoads

You
Stupid
****ing
n00b

**** off.

[Ghoul Hunter]

You
Stupid
****ing
n00b

**** off.
:chug:

[Brew]

Whey, R&M is open again.

:)

[rippa32]

Yes it is. Anyone know what was wrong with it?

[Brew]

Penis

...

[Brew]

Whats the latest on the cover we're going to do for the covers competition?

Is the band still...

Me - Bass
Josh - Drum programming
? - Guitar
? - Vocals

:confused:

[Ghoul Hunter]

I'm not sure if i'll be able to do the programming, unless we have a long time to do it, because i've got a lot of **** I need to do coming up, and programming takes a very long time. I'll see what I can do though.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Penis

...
:lol: ?

[Brew]

Alright.

So...who wants to do guitar and who wants to sing?

[Aeaon]

who do you guys think is better toni iommi or randy rhoads



You sir are an idiot. There has been only 3 singers for Black Sabbath.

[Brew]

You sir are an idiot. There has been only 3 singers for Black Sabbath.

You sir are also an idiot.

There have been at least 10 singers for Black Sabbath.

Ozzy
Dave Walker
Dio
Ian Gillan
Ray Gillan
Tony Martin
Rob Halford
Dave Donato

There may have been a few others aswell.

[Brew]

ATTN: We have a guitarist!

i_am_jimmy_page

Now...we need a singer...

[Ghoul Hunter]

You sir are an idiot. There has been only 3 singers for Black Sabbath.
Eh, who was talking about singers? Also, you're wrong, as Brum pointed out.

[Ghoul Hunter]

ATTN: We have a guitarist!

i_am_jimmy_page

Now...we need a singer...
What's the song we are doing?

I'll try to record vocals and test how close I can get.

[Brew]

I'm not sure yet, IAJP wants to do an early song...like...The Warning? :p

[IAJP]

No, I've told you.
I'll start masturbating half way through some improvisation.

[Brew]

Ok.

Uh...Iron Man? NIB? Heaven and Hell?

[JACKROXYOU]

ATTN: We have a guitarist!

i_am_jimmy_page

Now...we need a singer...

you and i share the same problem

[Brew]

you and i share the same problem

Playing bass?

I thought we decided I was going to do it...

[ATM]

ATTN: We have a guitarist!

i_am_jimmy_page

Now...we need a singer...


I'll let Ozzy know, he's a good friend of mine. :)

[Brew]

I'll let Ozzy know, he's a good friend of mine. :)

What if we do a Dio, Gillan or Martin song? :p

[JACKROXYOU]

Playing bass?

I thought we decided I was going to do it...

no no my band needs aq new singer

what else do you need here?

[Brew]

no no my band needs aq new singer

what else do you need here?

oic.

Good luck finding one :)

Over here we need a drummer and a singer, although Josh has said he may do the singing.

[JACKROXYOU]

drummer huh

well im a rythem guitar myself

[rippa32]

Ive just found N.I.B intro live. Its sounds alot better than the studio version.

[shadow_stalker]

You sir are an idiot. There has been only 3 singers for Black Sabbath.

I hope your taking the piss :amaze:

[Brew]

Ive just found N.I.B intro live. Its sounds alot better than the studio version.
Its a great lil bass solo, I kinda improvise one like it when my band plays NIB.

[JACKROXYOU]

i wish my bass could do that solo

it wold complete the song

[shadow_stalker]

I wish my band played any songs like that...except paranoid which we never play live.

[Brew]

My band is covering NIB, Iron Man and Hole in the Sky. I wanted to do some Dio stuff but my singer doesn't like his voice or lyrics.

Bah.

[shadow_stalker]

You have no idea how lucky you are Andy...

[Brew]

I s'pose, but I'd love to cover some Dio stuff.

Ah well.

[rippa32]

Yes Dio is very underrated. Especially his solo band, which is awesome.

[Brew]

His work with Rainbow is incredible.

Also, the stuff he was doing before joining Rainbow (Eleves, Elf etc...) is also pretty good.

[Kronos]

My band is covering NIB, Iron Man and Hole in the Sky. I wanted to do some Dio stuff but my singer doesn't like his voice or lyrics.

Bah.

Ahoy Lord Brumm! :wave:
I reckon your singer doesn't like his voice cos it's too good and he can't sing like that! Always easier to say "Nah, I don't really like that" than "I can't do it "
Geezer is a great bassist - I love the bass lines in Die Young. I got flamed on another thread cos I said that I liked Geezer better than Entwistle of the Who. Don't care tho' - I still like him a lot better. So there, Who fans.
Ps who needs a drummer? Me drummer. :)

[Ghoul Hunter]

Ahoy Lord Brumm! :wave:
I reckon your singer doesn't like his voice cos it's too good and he can't sing like that! Always easier to say "Nah, I don't really like that" than "I can't do it "
Geezer is a great bassist - I love the bass lines in Die Young. I got flamed on another thread cos I said that I liked Geezer better than Entwistle of the Who. Don't care tho' - I still like him a lot better. So there, Who fans.
Ps who needs a drummer? Me drummer. :)
Can you play good, and can you record?

[Kronos]

Can you play good, and can you record?
I spend most of my time playing Nightwish stuff - that and old Dio. I am by no means the greatest drummer, (even if I were I would never say so) but I can hold down a beat, do some double bass pedalling and have a pretty good repertoire of fills. When you say record, we have an old analogue 8 track that we use - I intend to go digital very soon. :)

[Ghoul Hunter]

I spend most of my time playing Nightwish stuff - that and old Dio. I am by no means the greatest drummer, (even if I were I would never say so) but I can hold down a beat, do some double bass pedalling and have a pretty good repertoire of fills. When you say record, we have an old analogue 8 track that we use - I intend to go digital very soon. :)
So there's no way you could get it onto your computer?

[Kronos]

So there's no way you could get it onto your computer?

Sorry about the delay in replying - I had to go off and fix a bed! Yes, really. And almost ended my drumming career in double-quick time too - nearly had my index finger torn from the knuckle by the chuck key. I am now sporting a large plaster over a deep gash in a painfully swollen 1st knuckle. Such is life. :upset:
It doesn't sound like it at pres - unless anyone knows how to convert stuff on analogue tape to something digital that a computer can upload. Makes me wish I'd done something about a soundcard and Cubase quicker.

[Brew]

Cubase is pwnage, if anyone has it it'd be a real help for programming the drums, I can do it easily.

Depending on how long we have to do this cover project, I'm back at school on the 20th of this month so I can spend my free lessons in the music tech room programming the drums providing I can get a tab/score. I could even record the bass at school.

[Six Foot Revolver]

Cubase is pwnage, if anyone has it it'd be a real help for programming the drums, I can do it easily.

Depending on how long we have to do this cover project, I'm back at school on the 20th of this month so I can spend my free lessons in the music tech room programming the drums providing I can get a tab/score. I could even record the bass at school.
I have Cubase but due to a certain sound card exploding I have not got around to using it yet :upset:

[Brew]

We have SX3 at school :cool:

I only really figured out how to use everything in it towards the end of the AS course, so next year should be a piece of cake.

[Brew]

So I've had an idea for our cover...

Instead of do The Warning...why not do Heaven and Hell, the version thats on Live Evil?

We could do it how they do it, play a chunk of H&H, then part of Sign of the Southern Cross, then back into H&H. If we really wanted we could finish it with Paranoid.

That'd clock in at easily 25mins, if we pull it off well we'd win for sure amirite?

Or

We could do the Sign of the Southern Cross/Heaven and Hell/Paranoid medley as found on Live Evil, that'd be good.

[Brew]

bump so the regs see the thread.

[rippa32]

If youre going to finish with a well known ozzy era song, why not go with NIB? with bass solo included.

[Brew]

Could do, its one of my fav. Sabbath songs to play.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Idea for NIB:

Maybe you (Andy) Could do the solo in the intro, but improv a bit after just for the sake of making it a bit different? Just an idea.

[Brew]

I improv it anyways, I've never actually learnt the real solo that Geezer plays.

[TillMyFingersBleed]

Black Sabbath is one of the most amazing Classic Rock bands ever. War Pigs is the greatest song ever made by them IMO.

[Brew]

Thank god you didn't say Paranoid.

[Kronos]

Black Sabbath is one of the most amazing Classic Rock bands ever. War Pigs is the greatest song ever made by them IMO.

I personally don't like Sabbath being categorised as classic rock - it makes them sound a bit, well, limp! Classic Metal sounds better to me! :thumb:

[rippa32]

I never use the term classic to describe any type of music. And I never use metal to describe Black Sabbath. Its hard rock, not metal.

[Brew]

As I've always said - Sabbath are Hard Rock n Roll.

Right guys...we really need to get our cover sorted.

Seeing as other threads (eg: Iron Maiden) are doing a setlist of around 5 songs, I think we should do something similar.

Something like...

Neon Knights
NIB
Children of the Grave
Heaven and Hell/Paranoid
Black Sabbath?

Discuss that list.

[Kronos]

I never use the term classic to describe any type of music. And I never use metal to describe Black Sabbath. Its hard rock, not metal.

Why is it not metal? Hard Rock to me says AC/DC and Motorhead GnR etc. What is not metal about Sabbath? :confused:

[BassMasterMike88]

If you want to get technical Sabbeth is more acid rock, but its the fact they are key figure heads in the evolution of metal that make them so important.

[RustedPieces]

If you want to get technical Sabbeth is more acid rock, but its the fact they are key figure heads in the evolution of metal that make them so important.
You spelled Sabbath wrong.

[Brew]

You used the wrong form of Spell.

Should've been Spelt.

You Spelt Sabbath wrong.


:)

I'm close to making a size 7 post about our cover. So far all I know is this...

Me - Bass
IAJP - Guitar
RumBoy - Drums?
Josh - Vocals?

:(

[Brew]

Hey guys, I know it sounds annoying but we need to get our arses in gear for this cover project.

Size 7 makes things look important :)

[Ghoul Hunter]

Relevant: Yes we do. I wish we could find someone who could match Ozzy's vocals because i've realized that this is like a strict cover competition, and not just us putting our own spin on it. I'm pretty far from having Sabbath like vocals. :-|

Irrelevant: I got a 100 watt bass amp yesterday, an Ibanez.

[Brew]

Relevant: I think we should do some Ozzy and Dio songs, I can't really find tabs for any others.

Irrelevant: Big phat bass amps are great, mines only a 60watt but its alot louder than yer average 60watt.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Also, I found a semi good Geezer tone, like the really thumpy one on War Pigs. I'll post the settings a bit later once I can go back into my music room. People sleeping there now.

[I<3Ollievu!]

I think you should play tv crimes

[Brew]

Josh: Sweet, I can kinda get a Geezer tone but its not exact yet.

Dude above me: TV Crimes is one of my fav. Sabbath songs.

[Josh]

TV crimes is my favourite Dio-era Sabbath song.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Josh: Sweet, I can kinda get a Geezer tone but its not exact yet.

Dude above me: TV Crimes is one of my fav. Sabbath songs.
I found out one thing that helps a lot is to pluck the strings in an almost slapping way, but not like real slap. Yes, I realize how that made no sense.

[Brew]

I do that to my strings anyway when playing a few Sabs songs.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I was watching a Sabbath video yesterday, and I noticed that he has a crazy technique for his right hand. It seems like he would never be accurate.

[Brew]

His right hand is pretty fast, it does seem a little different but he always seems to hit the right notes.

I'm wearing my Kiss shorts :cool:

[Ghoul Hunter]

I've got on Mr. Potato Head boxers and an Opeth shirt. :lol:

[Brew]

These shorts are tighter than what I remember them being when I'm sat down.

[rippa32]

lol nice and random. Another piece of randomness, I dreamt about being at a sabbath conert last night and I also met Iommi, he seemed to be the main point of the dream.

[Ghoul Hunter]

These shorts are tighter than what I remember them being when I'm sat down.
That's one thing I hate, tight shorts.

[Brew]

They're fine when I'm standing, just a lil tight when sitting.

Ah well.

[rippa32]

Hey brum what Black Sabbath LP's and CD's do you have?
Im just curious.

[Brew]

Righty'ho.

Vinyl

Black Sabbath (ripped to cd aswell)
Master of Reality (ripped to cd aswell)
Vol.4 (ripped to cd aswell)
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath (ripped to cd aswell)
Sabotage (ripped to cd aswell)
Technical Ecstasy (ripped to cd aswell)
Never Say Die! (ripped to cd aswell)
Greatest Hits
We Sold Our Soul For Rock n Roll (ripped to cd aswell)
Heaven and Hell (ripped to cd aswell)
Mob Rules (ripped to cd aswell)
Live Evil (ripped to cd aswell)
Born Again
Eternal Idol
Headless Cross (ripped to cd aswell)

Cd

Paranoid
TYR
Dehumanizer
Never Say Die! 1978 Tour Bootleg (I ripped the audio off the Never Say Die DVD)

[rippa32]

Okay thanks. Hey would you recommend Born Again?

[Brew]

Hmm.

If you're a Deep Purple fan you'd like it, its a bit cheesy compared to other Sabbath albums but on the whole...its not so bad.

I wouldn't pay more than about £10 for it though.

[shadow_stalker]

Hey everyone what news on the song your playing?


On a different topic some twat went into the pub where my drums are, played on them and stabbed hole in the snare skin on the under side :angry:

More unrelated news im now in a band with Lord abortion so i can finally get the chance to play metal :thumb: ...once i get a new skin for my snare drum...

[Ghoul Hunter]

I say you find the bastard who did that and kick some ***.

Anyway, thanks for the drum articles you've been submitting on MA, they are quite good.

[CannibalCorpse]

Would any of you consider Heaven and hell a sabbath album? I just consider it a dio album, it is a great album, but in my mind i think that sabbath isn't sabbath without ozzy.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Oh man. Black Sabbath is Black Sabbath. Dio/Ozzy/Any other singer. It's all Black Sabbath.

[rippa32]

Ditto. Even the Tony Martin era is sabbath. Tony Iommi is sabbath and always has been.

[Five Magics]

Tony Iommi is the only ORIGINAL member from start to finish

[Five Magics]

im a Sabbath fan from the ozzy era, dont really know sabbath outside of ozzy era but how good is heaven and hell? and what is the lineup during that album?

[MrLesPaul1960]

Ehh i disagree about the whole Sabbath being Sabbath with every other singer. Sabbath really isn't Sabbath without Ozzy, they started with him and made their best work together. If it was the same with all the other vocalists wouldn't it make sense that they would be still together? The feel of all the others just doesn't give you that classic Ozzy feel. No one compares to him.

[Aeaon]

I think Ozzy is perfect for Black Sabbath, but Dio's voice just makes it sound so cheesy.


And Heaven And Hell is extremely overrated.

[Ghoul Hunter]

I think Ozzy is perfect for Black Sabbath, but Dio's voice just makes it sound so cheesy.


And Heaven And Hell is extremely overrated.
Meh, you have to get used to the power metalish vocals to "get" him.

How is Heaven and Hell overrated at all?

[Mr.P.]

I think Dio is a really cool singer and all his songs with Sabbath are cool but Ozzy will always be the best, they're just two really diffrent voices is all.

[rippa32]

Ehh i disagree about the whole Sabbath being Sabbath with every other singer. Sabbath really isn't Sabbath without Ozzy, they started with him and made their best work together. If it was the same with all the other vocalists wouldn't it make sense that they would be still together? The feel of all the others just doesn't give you that classic Ozzy feel. No one compares to him.

Sabbath is Sabbath without Ozzy. Some things you people dont realise is that Ozzy had hardly any musical input to the music at all.

[Brew]

Would any of you consider Heaven and hell a sabbath album? I just consider it a dio album, it is a great album, but in my mind i think that sabbath isn't sabbath without ozzy.

Yes, yes I would.

You want to know why?

Because it has Black Sabbath written on it.

Therefore, it is a Black Sabbath album, not a Dio album.

Ozzy was to be fair, a joke. He hardly wrote any of the songs, leaving it to Geezer/Iommi/Ward, in the later stages of the Ozzy years he just turned up and sang what was given to him. If Sabbath isn't Sabbath without Ozzy, why did he lost interest in the later years leading to him being sacked? They needed to get rid of him, badly.

Aeon: Heaven and Hell is hardly overrated, Paranoid is far more overrated. Hell, the title song is nothing but a filler track written in a 5-minute lunch break.

[shadow_stalker]

I first started listening to sabbath because i got into ozzy's solo stuff so whenever anyone mentioned Dio i got pissed off a went on a rant about how it's not black sabbath without ozzy...i still think that sabbath is ozzy, geezer, bill and tony. But i do accept that there are other lesser versions of it.

[shadow_stalker]

Ozzy was to be fair, a joke. He hardly wrote any of the songs, leaving it to Geezer/Iommi/Ward, in the later stages of the Ozzy years he just turned up and sang what was given to him. If Sabbath isn't Sabbath without Ozzy, why did he lost interest in the later years leading to him being sacked? They needed to get rid of him, badly.

That is probably due to drugs and the fact that Tony was controlling everything about Sabbath. I think it was geezer that said that he was scared of getting booted out of sabbath so he never said anything when ozzy was fired or even when Tony took centre stage.

[Brew]

Funny that, seeing as Tony formed the band originally.

[shadow_stalker]

Not really, he was in a band with Bill, Ozzy and geezer were in another band, both bands broke up. tony saw a sign in a music shop from ozzy saying that his band needed more members. Tony went to see him and that was the start of Sabbath...well pulka tulk.

So i wouldn't say that Tony started it seeing as how he didn't specifically get all the members together.

p.s. i thought you were going to download? :confused:

[Aeaon]

Meh, you have to get used to the power metalish vocals to "get" him.

How is Heaven and Hell overrated at all?



Probably because Dio's vocals make it "less" enjoyable. :thumb:

[Ghoul Hunter]

Probably because Dio's vocals make it "less" enjoyable. :thumb:
Right...

Try listening to it for a while, I bet you'll like it. It just takes some getting used to.

[shadow_stalker]

I hate the opening few lines to heaven and hell,

"Sing me a song, you're a singer
Do me a wrong, you're a bringer of evil
The Devil is never a maker
The less that you give, you're a taker"

What the hell were they thinking when they wrote them?

[Aeaon]

Right...

Try listening to it for a while, I bet you'll like it. It just takes some getting used to.



Nah. I think I'll pass. It's just not Black Sabbath without Ozzy.

[JACKROXYOU]

I hate the opening few lines to heaven and hell,

"Sing me a song, you're a singer
Do me a wrong, you're a bringer of evil
The Devil is never a maker
The less that you give, you're a taker"

What the hell were they thinking when they wrote them?

its sabbath

do they need a reason?

[Ghoul Hunter]

Nah. I think I'll pass. It's just not Black Sabbath without Ozzy.
As we've said before, Sabbath is Sabbath. Ozzy doesn't make Sabbath. He is my personal favorite vocalist though for them.

[Kronos]

Not really, he was in a band with Bill, Ozzy and geezer were in another band, both bands broke up. tony saw a sign in a music shop from ozzy saying that his band needed more members. Tony went to see him and that was the start of Sabbath...well pulka tulk.

So i wouldn't say that Tony started it seeing as how he didn't specifically get all the members together.

p.s. i thought you were going to download? :confused:

Not strictly true; Tony and Bill came from a once very popular band called Mythology, Geezer was in a band called Rare Breed. Ozzy's advert was for him as a singer - he auditioned for the vocal role in Rare Breed but the band fell apart before he ever performed with them. Ozzy's ad was still in the shop window after Mythology broke up and that's when Tony and Bill saw it and went round to see him. And of course, for a while they were called Polka Tulk Blues Band, then Earth Blues Band, then Earth, then Black Sabbath.

[Kronos]

I think Ozzy is perfect for Black Sabbath, but Dio's voice just makes it sound so cheesy.


And Heaven And Hell is extremely overrated.


It's a bloody sight better than the last Sabbath-with-Ozzy stuff. Even they thought it was under-par.

[Brew]

Not really, he was in a band with Bill, Ozzy and geezer were in another band, both bands broke up. tony saw a sign in a music shop from ozzy saying that his band needed more members. Tony went to see him and that was the start of Sabbath...well pulka tulk.

So i wouldn't say that Tony started it seeing as how he didn't specifically get all the members together.

p.s. i thought you were going to download? :confused:

I'm going on Sunday.

Also the lyrics to Heaven and Hell are very typical of Dio's song style, it may be worth a few of you guys checking out Rainbow to see how similar that stuff is to his run in Sabbath.

And Dio has a MUCH better voice than Ozz.

[Josh]

I'm going on Sunday.

Also the lyrics to Heaven and Hell are very typical of Dio's song style, it may be worth a few of you guys checking out Rainbow to see how similar that stuff is to his run in Sabbath.

And Dio has a MUCH better voice than Ozz.
not seeing Sabbath?
*shakes fist*

Dio's style's very different to Ozzy's though, but if you want technical stuff then Dio's better. I like Ozzy solo more than Dio solo though.

[Brew]

Meh, they'll be back.

[Kronos]

I'm going on Sunday.

Also the lyrics to Heaven and Hell are very typical of Dio's song style, it may be worth a few of you guys checking out Rainbow to see how similar that stuff is to his run in Sabbath.

And Dio has a MUCH better voice than Ozz.

Agreed. I think his two albums with Sabbath sound even more akin to his first two solo albums than Rainbow. Tony's guitar and Geezer's bass are still very distinguishable from Rainbow or Dio tho'.
Anyway, I like all 3. :thumb:

[Josh]

Meh, they'll be back.
true, true...hopefully they'll play Newcastle, I'll go down with a load of mates if they do.

[johnther]

can anyone suggest any songs of black sabbath without ozzy.a lot of people might say that ozzy is better but i heard some songs without ozzy and sounds good.please!

[rippa32]

I'm going on Sunday.

Also the lyrics to Heaven and Hell are very typical of Dio's song style, it may be worth a few of you guys checking out Rainbow to see how similar that stuff is to his run in Sabbath.

And Dio has a MUCH better voice than Ozz.

Of course he does although I just prefer the sound of Ozzy's voice. But I think the sabbath singer with the most talent is Tony Martin.

[rippa32]

can anyone suggest any songs of black sabbath without ozzy.a lot of people might say that ozzy is better but i heard some songs without ozzy and sounds good.please!

Well the only ones I own are Tyr and Dehuminizer both awesome albums. Tyr has Tony Martin and Dehuminizer has Dio, but Dehumizer is very different to anything either Sabbath or Dio has ever done so if youre looking for Dio stuff get Heaven and Hell. Which reminds me does anyone here have a copy of heaven and hell thats not a 96 remaster? Cause if there arnt any other remasters im gonna have to buy the vinyl.

[shadow_stalker]

Not strictly true; Tony and Bill came from a once very popular band called Mythology, Geezer was in a band called Rare Breed. Ozzy's advert was for him as a singer - he auditioned for the vocal role in Rare Breed but the band fell apart before he ever performed with them. Ozzy's ad was still in the shop window after Mythology broke up and that's when Tony and Bill saw it and went round to see him. And of course, for a while they were called Polka Tulk Blues Band, then Earth Blues Band, then Earth, then Black Sabbath.

Iommi says on last supper that when he went it see ozzy he said that they already had a guitarist.

[shadow_stalker]

And Dio has a MUCH better voice than Ozz.

Does matter about how much better singing talent they have?

If we go like that Martin was the best singer sabbath had.


When was the last time we had discussions like this? :lol:

[rippa32]

lol, although you do have to marvel at the sheer talent Martin has.

[shadow_stalker]

I was listening to a couple songs off of born again, good god i don't like Gillan's voice!

Also Tony Martin is a ****ing awesome singerr. :thumb:

[rippa32]

Whats wrong with Gillans voice?

[shadow_stalker]

No wait sorry it was Rob Halford the people i got the songs from just said it was from born again...sorry Gillan i havnt listend to any of his stuff.

[rippa32]

You don't like Rob Halford? Do you mean singing Sabbath's songs or you just don't like him in general?

[shadow_stalker]

I find his voice annoying, especially on that version of supernaut andy posted a while ago.

[rippa32]

I never heard it. But anyway did you hear about the gig Sabbath just did in England?

[shadow_stalker]

The secret one?

[rippa32]

Yeah I think so it was just a small one. Anyhoo apparently during Into The Void Ozzy started singing a verse from Electric Funeral.

[shadow_stalker]

lol, i wonder if that was a mistake or not...

[Ghoul Hunter]

You hate Halford :eek:

[rippa32]

lol, i wonder if that was a mistake or not...

It was, apparently Geezer just started laughing and Iommi had this look on his face that said "What the fuk are you doing?"

[shadow_stalker]

You hate Halford :eek:

Don't hare him, hate his vocal style, that annoying high pitched thing pisses me off.

[shadow_stalker]

It was, apparently Geezer just started laughing and Iommi had this look on his face that said "What the fuk are you doing?"

:lol: At least he did it here and not at download. But then again Iommi always has that expression on his face.

[rippa32]

lol I suppose. I once heard a story about some guy who said Iommi looks Italian, and Iommi knocked him out.

[shadow_stalker]

I wouldn't put it psat him.

Anyone know the names of the rhythm guitarist and saxaphone player that played for sabbath during the earth days?

[rippa32]

No do you? oh and I thought they only played for polka tulk and then left before the name change.

[Brew]

I've got no idea, I could look it up though.

FunFact: Ozzy didn't play harmonica on Never Say Die!, someone else did. If anyone has the cd and the notes credit Ozz for the harmonica they're wrong. :)

I came about <---> that close to going to the secret show, but I wasn't allowed because it was 4 days before my Physics AS.

[Brew]

Hey look, its another Size 7 post about our covers!

'sup.

Ok...we still haven't really gotten our arses in gear for this, I'm guessing that I'm being left to choose the song(s) so...we'll rip-off the Iron Maiden thread and do about 4 or 5.

Sound good?

If any of you guys want to do drums/vocals post here quick, otherwise I'll do them (drums) on Cubase when I go back to school in about a weeks time.

Songs, in order.

Heaven and Hell/Paranoid ( :eek: )
NIB
Iron Man
The Warning (only a small chunk of it)

So there we have it.

I think i_am_jimmy_page is doing guitars, but if anyone of you more regular folk want to do it then that should be alright I guess...

Anyway, discuss.

[Ghoul Hunter]

http://guitargeek.com/rigview/476/

Wow.

[rippa32]

Hey does anyone know if Black Sabbath will play at Live 8 like they did with Live Aid?

[shadow_stalker]

http://guitargeek.com/rigview/476/

Wow.

I have no idea what all that means but it looks complicated...

[shadow_stalker]

No do you? oh and I thought they only played for polka tulk and then left before the name change.

Im not really sure when they played it says their names in either the reunion album cover or their old manager says it on the interview with him on vol 1 dvd.

[rippa32]

Have you seen ozzy from that era? His hair is hilarious.