(Rock) Sum 41 - Chuck

[stke22]

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Chuck (out since 10/12/04)


The Band:
Deryck Whitbley (Bizzy D) - Vocals, Guitar, (Piano, keyboards, and mellotron...???)
Dave Baksh (Brownsound) - Lead Guitar
Jason McCaslin (Cone) - Bass
Steve Jocz (Stevo32) - Drums


Track Listing:
1. Intro (0:46)
2. No Reason (3:04)
3. We're All To Blame (3:39)
4. Angels With Dirty Faces (2:23)
5. Some Say (3:26)
6. The Bitter End (2:51)
7. Open Your Eyes (2:44)
8. Slipping Away (2:29)
9. I'm Not The One (3:34)
10. Welcome To Hell (1:56)
11. Pieces (3:01)
12. There's No Solution (3:18)
13. 88 (4:38)
Total: 37:55


Pre-Review:

Ever since the dawn of the new millenium, these four jackasses from Ajax has broken into the music scene with their devilish riffs and catchy pop-punk tunes. Being '80's metalheads during their high school years has started to catch up to their pop-punk sound and transforming them into what they've become now. In four years, Sum 41 is argueably one of the most popular and changing bands in a while. Chuck, their fourth album, is their most influencial and most metallish album produced, changing from their pop-punk beginnings to the punkish-metallish sounds that we hear today.

The album has some of the lightest and heaviest stuff Sum 41 fans will hear, and clocking at over 30 minutes, lasting effects won't last, but at least it takes you on a journey through the twisting minds of the band.

*The album is named after Chuck Pelletier, a Victoria, BC native who saved the lives of 40 people during a mission in Congo in May of 2004. Without him, Sum 41 would cease to exist, and this album would never been produced.


Track-By-Track:

1. Intro - An interesting intro that leads to "No Reason". Heavy effects along with simple chords and melody starts off the album and the next song. Unrated.

2. No Reason - A good song to begin the album. Heavy and anthem-themed, the chorus is catchy while the verses and heavy riffs are somewhat interesting. This would be the equivalent of "The Hell Song" from DTLI, but has less impact. 8/10.

3. We're All To Blame - Once it grows on you, this song won't go away. Like the previous first single "Still Waiting", this will be the reason why this album will become very successful. Catchy metal riffs and slow but heavy choruses makes this song. An interesting acoustic ending at the end wraps up a very successfully written song. 9/10.

4. Angels With Dirty Faces - A fast-paced song with incredibly catchy metallish riffs and fast verses. The fast pace leaves you with a dazzled but forgettable feeling. 7/10.

5. Some Say - This is one of the lighter songs on the album. Starting off with interesting background effects while Deryck is singing some good stuff, then it blasts into a heavily distorted chorus while the acoustic guitar continues playing in the background. This song sounds like a song that Avril Lavigne would write and play (and some Treble Charger influence, too), but more heavier and mature. Watch out for the "Handle This" style solo in the middle of the song. Ends off as a seque to the next song. 8.5/10.

6. The Bitter End - This would possibly be the best song on the album. You'll have to listen to it yourself to see why. The only thing that brought this down was the verses. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be there, but they just don't connect the song as perfectly as they could've been. 9.5/10.

7. Open Your Eyes - A heavily anthemed theme song with a ton of backing vocals that pulls this song through to the end. I wouldn't call the solo a "solo", but at least it brings the song together enough for a lasting effect. 7/10.

8. Slipping Away - A nice little slow song that splits the album in half. Very few words with many effects in the background, with a bonus studio recording of them doing stuff. All this song does is to break things down a bit before it hits off with another song and the rest of the album. 6.5/10.

9. I'm Not The One - Also known as "Bleed", this would be the song that best resembles Linkin Park. Nearly every part of this song as a Linkin Park element and song structure, including the screaming lyrics. 7/10.

10. Welcome To Hell - The shortest song on the album, it would seem likely that this would be another under-a-minute song that Sum 41 always puts near the beginning of the alum. But this song is put near the end of the album, another big move from Sum 41. This song would probably be just another filler with riffs, this opinion after listening for 20 minutes of nearly the same thing of heavy riffs and average-timed songs. Look out for the killer bass solo from Cone! 6.5/10.

11. Pieces - This song would be a lighter version of DTLI's "Thanks For Nothing". The thing that sets this apart from the other two slow songs on this album would be the light clean guitar sounds and a warm sound throughout the song. This would be a great song to jam with acoustic buddies. 9/10.

12. There's No Solution - Just like DTLI's "Hyper-Insomnia-Para-Condroid", this is another great song that follows the wake-up call of "Pieces". The song is also lighter than "H-I-P-C", but incredibly catchy and distorted. This would be an improvement from "I'm Not The One" as it has some elements of Linkin Park on it. Nonetheless another brilliant song by Sum 41. 8.5/10.

13. 88 - Why not skip "Billy Spleen" altogether and get on with the greatest song on the album? Possibly the longest song ever that Sum 41 has recorded, this song is split into three parts, each unique with its own feelings and images. Half-way through the song, Dave bashes out two awesome solos backed by metallic palm muting riffs. In the end, a slow Linkin Park style ending finishes the album off with original awe. Nothing else to say about this song! 10/10.


Post-Review:

Apart from the Linking Park similarities and some failures, this album is the best that Sum 41 has produced yet. They successfully pull out their mission to lash out punkish and metallish songs while at the same time stay true to their nature of writing simple but awesome songs. :D :D :D :) :evil:


*This is my first review (seriously). I hope you enjoy this album as much as I did.

[The JoZ]

Good review :thumb:

My friends have this, and I was listening to pieces of it the other night.

I think I will have to sit and actively listen to it, because it's definetly a different direction for them to be taking...

[Happymeal]

I'm very surprised they even have the balls to get their act together and improve their sound for a change. I won't buy this one, but respect++ for them. Nice review by the way:)

[RollerQueen]

"The Bitter End" sounds a LOT like Metallica's "Battery", particularly the chorus. Try listening to them sequentially and you'll see what I mean.

Good review, decent enough album. I wouldn't rate it as high but it's worth buying if you like 'em.

[stke22]

Ok... I've finished editting... If you haven't noticed, I've editting this thing like 10 times 21 minutes.

[Sep]

Great review! :thumb: I streamed the first few songs from this album on MTV.com and they sounded alright. I'll listen to a few more of the songs with high ratings, but I doubt I'd buy this though.

[GreendayIdiot]

Yeah, my bro bought the cd and i got a copy of it, I like track # 3's We're all to blame- its vid is funny and i love the song. Im not a big fan of sum 41 but i liked this album.

[GreendayIdiot]

Yeah, my bro bought the cd and i got a copy of it, I like track # 3's We're all to blame- its vid is funny and i love the song. Im not a big fan of sum 41 but i liked this album.

[GreendayIdiot]

Yeah, my bro bought the cd and i got a copy of it, I like track # 3's We're all to blame- its vid is funny and i love the song. Im not a big fan of sum 41 but i liked this album.

[Roddy]

"The Bitter End" sounds a LOT like Metallica's "Battery", particularly the chorus. Try listening to them sequentially and you'll see what I mean.

Good review, decent enough album. I wouldn't rate it as high but it's worth buying if you like 'em.

The instant I heard the start of the song, I thought [/b]Blackened[b]. It is very similar to Metallica :naughty:

Album is ok, sounds very similar to loads of other songs though...

7/10

[Mozzletoffed]

"The Bitter End" sounds a LOT like Metallica's "Battery", particularly the chorus. Try listening to them sequentially and you'll see what I mean.

Good review, decent enough album. I wouldn't rate it as high but it's worth buying if you like 'em.

**** you, you beat me too it. I also thought it sounded like battery. It was the first thing that came to mind "the BITTER END-batTARY!"

[Mozzletoffed]

Great cd, least favorite track for me would be slipping away, i think it is boring. Bitter Ends solo is orgasmic.

[LordDargon]

The Bitter End has bitchin' solos. Maybe it will become a single. Their other metal songs weren't single-worthy. The Bitter End is metal, but still mainstream-accessible.

[Mozzletoffed]

Yeah, my bro bought the cd and i got a copy of it, I like track # 3's We're all to blame- its vid is funny and i love the song. Im not a big fan of sum 41 but i liked this album.
triple post

[Mozzletoffed]

The Bitter End has bitchin' solos. Maybe it will become a single. Their other metal songs weren't single-worthy. The Bitter End is metal, but still mainstream-accessible.
I hope, that or No Reason. on the front of the cd the sticker says "CD INCLUDES HIT SINGLE" We're all to blame and Pieces"

[cool_guy4000]

I got this cd on Saturday and I love it! I personally think it's Sum 41's best album to date. My favourite songs would be, No Reason, The Bitter End, Pieces and 88.

[hybridofsound]

It's a good review but rating with smiley faces looks stupid IMO. I had two listens to this on MTV's The Leak. I liked it but it didn't quite hit me. Admitedly the same happened with DTLI to me and I turned out to really enjoy that album. I'll keep listening to a few tracks I have downloaded and might pick this up in time.

First impressions though i'd agree with a 3.5/5

[mooteel]

Wonderful CD, as a big fan of Sum41, I think it's their best album to date! And, like almost all of you, I immediatly thought of "Battery" the first time I heard "Bitter End". 88 is such an amazing song and We're all to blame is so cool! A great album from a great band! Long life to Sum41!!!

[Arucard]

iheard were all to blame today and im gonna buy the album at the first chance
i like his voice alot more now

[Untitled]

I have the album on now, its very good :cool: i buaght it the day it came out.

[deveaux]

sure the album sounds somewhat ok, but it is still pop punk and it is still only like a half hour long. seriously, i could listen to that album in full while taking a dump, because it is ****.

[guitari265]

I don't know about you guys but when I think '90s pop rock I think Blink-182, Sum 41, and Green Day. Blink's new "mature" album is amazing - as with Green Day's. But when I heard Chuck off MTV, I was kinda dissapointed. Their lyrics have matured but the music sounds like Metallica rip off crap like everything else on the radio and I never liked Metallica for the most part anyway.

[DJ Ducksauce]

sure the album sounds somewhat ok, but it is still pop punk and it is still only like a half hour long. seriously, i could listen to that album in full while taking a dump, because it is ****.
HEY!! Don't diss sum 41!! :evil: They make all of their albums about 30 minutes on purpose. It's supposed to have some thing to do with human attention spans only being good for 30 minutes.

[manuscriptreplica]

30 minute CD's suck. Before you know it, they are over.

[Zmev]

For the record: the bitter end sounds like both battary and blackened, with a bitchin solo part.

I like this album, best album Sum 41 has made next to does this look infected. I havent head half hour of power and i have ll killer no filler (liked it becuse i got it in 8th grde when i liked different different things).

[deveaux]

WHAT?!? You honestly think that they make their cds a half hour long on purpose? If you believe this, then, well, your pretty thick. Its a half hour because they a rrn't mature as songwriters. Its a ripoff man paying 20 bucks for 30 minutes of music, plus you get sick off the album real fast, and CHUCK it out

[Untitled]

WHAT?!? You honestly think that they make their cds a half hour long on purpose? If you believe this, then, well, your pretty thick. Its a half hour because they a rrn't mature as songwriters. Its a ripoff man paying 20 bucks for 30 minutes of music, plus you get sick off the album real fast, and CHUCK it out
The albums no 30 min, its 40, which is long enough, if it goes on forever it gets boring.

[deveaux]

ok, so the album is forty minutes, gee sorry. oh wait, how many songs are on it? 13? wow, 13 3 minute songs! dude, i have longer farts.

[manuscriptreplica]

Why don't you go make a record then, be sure to tell me when it's a 78 minute epic.

[Untitled]

Who cares how long it is? so what if its 30 minutes, or 90 minutes, its the quality of the songs, not the lenth.

God, do people not get tuaght anything in schools any more, its always Qaulity over Quantity, not Quantity over quality.

[Rocker Kid 1989]

Why hasn't anyone talked about Noots yet? My version of the Album has 14 tracks. The last one being noots. I really like the album, I was expecting more metal from the album. But the Bitter End Rocks (no matter how similiar it is to battery).

[deveaux]

alright. first thing. i wouldn't sell out and sign to a label like you probably would, because im into music for the sake of the art. YOU on the other hand are sitting here defending pop music no matter how youl ook at it. sure they've gone "more metallish", but all they did was rip oof other bands and change their pop sound to a new pop sound. there gay videos still play on mtv and are still loved by pubeescent preteen girls. as for making my own "epic" i dont neccesarily care how long the album is, its the song itself, which brings me to the other guys take on "quality over quantity". how can you fit quality into 3 minutes? simply by adding a half deent solo? i think not, the rest of the song is still power chords, scank drum beats and simple bass lines. . you both need to grow up and realize that this is pop music and poop by any other name is still poop.

[Mozzletoffed]

Why hasn't anyone talked about Noots yet? My version of the Album has 14 tracks. The last one being noots. I really like the album, I was expecting more metal from the album. But the Bitter End Rocks (no matter how similiar it is to battery).
we have, except i got a vinyl record with my cd and it has "We're all to blame" on 1 side and "noots" on the other. good song.

[Untitled]

Most good songs are around 3 to 4 minutes these days, we're long past the days of 20 minute solos in a song, many good songs dont need a solo, you need to be a lot more open minded about things, a 3 minute song can be complex, have good solos, and be generaly a great song all around. And its not pop, its pop-punk, and there not ripping off any other styles, theyve had the same style since "half hour of power" was released.

If you want some good 3 minute songs, then check out bands like Muse.

[Mozzletoffed]

alright. first thing. i wouldn't sell out and sign to a label like you probably would, because im into music for the sake of the art. YOU on the other hand are sitting here defending pop music no matter how youl ook at it. sure they've gone "more metallish", but all they did was rip oof other bands and change their pop sound to a new pop sound. there gay videos still play on mtv and are still loved by pubeescent preteen girls. as for making my own "epic" i dont neccesarily care how long the album is, its the song itself, which brings me to the other guys take on "quality over quantity". how can you fit quality into 3 minutes? simply by adding a half deent solo? i think not, the rest of the song is still power chords, scank drum beats and simple bass lines. . you both need to grow up and realize that this is pop music and poop by any other name is still poop.
ok.

[Well_Respected_Man]

alright. first thing. i wouldn't sell out and sign to a label like you probably would, because im into music for the sake of the art. YOU on the other hand are sitting here defending pop music no matter how youl ook at it. sure they've gone "more metallish", but all they did was rip oof other bands and change their pop sound to a new pop sound. there gay videos still play on mtv and are still loved by pubeescent preteen girls. as for making my own "epic" i dont neccesarily care how long the album is, its the song itself, which brings me to the other guys take on "quality over quantity". how can you fit quality into 3 minutes? simply by adding a half deent solo? i think not, the rest of the song is still power chords, scank drum beats and simple bass lines. . you both need to grow up and realize that this is pop music and poop by any other name is still poop.
I remember being 11, how old are you.

[deveaux]

alright, if you want to push good three minute songs, go for it, but the new sum 41 doesn't have any. also, who said anything about 20 minute solos? were they ever popular, this guy knows nothing about music i guess, but on the other hand he is probably only 11 or 12 if he is sticking up for sum 41

[Untitled]

alright, if you want to push good three minute songs, go for it, but the new sum 41 doesn't have any. also, who said anything about 20 minute solos? were they ever popular, this guy knows nothing about music i guess, but on the other hand he is probably only 11 or 12 if he is sticking up for sum 41

Aye, im 12, becuase i like Sum41, :rolleyes: Who cares if they get shown on MTV, most bands do, just becuase i like pop-punk, it dosnt make me 11, im into all kinds of music, esspecial Alt+Indie along with pop-punk, and i like rock and metal too.

I do know about music, other wise i wouldnt play an instrument, and i wouldnt be on a musicians forums.

Im sure we could finish this little desscussion in the pop-punk, where there arnt any 12 year olds, and most like sum41 and stuff, whilst there you could get band too, and even learn how to shouve youre own head in your arse, even though it seems to be up there any way.

N00B

[deveaux]

i rather hear the noise of my own arse than any pop music.

[left0vercrizack]

sum 41 are the only pop punk band - in my opinion - with balls , they change without giving a **** about the hundereds of pop punkin 10 year olds theyve infatuated and grab a different audience with every album - round of applause for the lads.

[deveaux]

do they change their soound? or is it the label that directs them too so that they can be the "only ones" to do it? its all marketing and i am appauled that you musicians cannot see this

[Untitled]

do they change their soound? or is it the label that directs them too so that they can be the "only ones" to do it? its all marketing and i am appauled that you musicians cannot see this

Im sure you know lots about marketing too :rolleyes: There musics changing as they grow older, it happens in all bands, if a band produced the same sounding album over and over, then people would get bored, as well as the band, they have to change to keep themselfs interested in the music.

Im appauled that you as a musician couldnt see that.

[deveaux]

yes bands do evolve and change over time. and yes i do know about marketing, as i work for an advertising firm (thank you) however, i was only posing the question if they were being directed, because we al know how pop music works, and we all know that it is pop music.

[Untitled]

No, they wont be, they changed record deals becuase there last one tired to make them do what the want or sumet. AND ITS NOT POP

[Adam Jones is GOD]

yes bands do evolve and change over time. and yes i do know about marketing, as i work for an advertising firm (thank you) however, i was only posing the question if they were being directed, because we al know how pop music works, and we all know that it is pop music.

Sum 41 have always been influenced by the heavier aspects of music (maiden, Priest, Metallica) so it was part of their musical growth that they ended up with such a sound. The image they potray may give the impression of a pop band, but although not the greatest music around, they are true to what they want to do. Its still miles better than the 200 bands around them who have sold out and changed their sound to be accepted, rather than changed due to personal desire to.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

This guys done for now, king jonny is on the case!

[Untitled]

This thread needs tidying up now :(

[deveaux]

let me reitterate, three minutes are ok, not a whole album of them.

[Well_Respected_Man]

alright, if you want to push good three minute songs, go for it, but the new sum 41 doesn't have any. also, who said anything about 20 minute solos? were they ever popular, this guy knows nothing about music i guess, but on the other hand he is probably only 11 or 12 if he is sticking up for sum 41
I'm 15 and you know what? I prefer shorter songs to longer songs. Listen to Olivia Tremor Control and tell me its processed pop or some of the other childish crap you were coming up with. Of course popular music isn't bad I would pay you a million dollars to write a better song than The Beatles, Kinks or Beach Boys. You should grow up a little and listen to some more music. Actually what music do you listen to?

[burton.and.gas]

i dont like this band but i respect the way they operate!a godo review!

[deveaux]

ok ok ok. now ya'll are getting ugly. you are comparing the beatles, led zepplin, pink floyd, the beach boys and other amazing, amzing bands, to this crap that we call "pop punk". those bands are sacred, and in their days were not driven by record labels like they are today to produce records that appeal to teh masses. you know what, nirvana had the best record deal in history, does anyone know why? because they are pretty much one of the only bands that were allowed to write, record and release anything that they wanted to, even if it was themselves farting and burping. get sum 41 to try to release that and see what happens. next thing, i dont hate it because its popular, i hate it because the "artists" have compromised and basterdized their artwork for the sake of popularity and money, and their is nothing worse than that. dont try to pin me as one of those people who hate music because it's popular, i like some popular stuff, as long as the artists true integrity is behind it, like tool and manson and ****. next, i dissed the three minute song thing because thats what most of the album is. there is nothing wrong with short songs. but if thats what the whole album is, that tells me that you can write a riff or two, a catchy chorus, a little solo and voila, an album based on this recipe. i dont know if any of you ever heard of dream theater, but try checking them out and then tell me that these guys aren't pretty much as good as it gets MUSICALLY and they have songs that range from 3 minutes to literally thirty minutes. its all about diversity.

[InMyPlace]

ok ok ok. now ya'll are getting ugly. you are comparing the beatles, led zepplin, pink floyd, the beach boys and other amazing, amzing bands, to this crap that we call "pop punk". those bands are sacred, and in their days were not driven by record labels like they are today to produce records that appeal to teh masses. you know what, nirvana had the best record deal in history, does anyone know why? because they are pretty much one of the only bands that were allowed to write, record and release anything that they wanted to, even if it was themselves farting and burping. get sum 41 to try to release that and see what happens. next thing, i dont hate it because its popular, i hate it because the "artists" have compromised and basterdized their artwork for the sake of popularity and money, and their is nothing worse than that. dont try to pin me as one of those people who hate music because it's popular, i like some popular stuff, as long as the artists true integrity is behind it, like tool and manson and ****. next, i dissed the three minute song thing because thats what most of the album is. there is nothing wrong with short songs. but if thats what the whole album is, that tells me that you can write a riff or two, a catchy chorus, a little solo and voila, an album based on this recipe. i dont know if any of you ever heard of dream theater, but try checking them out and then tell me that these guys aren't pretty much as good as it gets MUSICALLY and they have songs that range from 3 minutes to literally thirty minutes. its all about diversity.


Go to bed you silly little baby, no-one cares for the shite that's coming out of you're pathetic little mouth.

[deveaux]

good one, that took a lot of thought. is it just me or do all of you pop fans have something in common...

[Well_Respected_Man]

The main point is no one cares about your ramblings, it's all been said before and you're not going to change anything. I found a solution to dealing with music I don't like, I DON'T LISTEN TO IT. Now go Bitch somewhere else about "Pop music" you elitist snob.

[deveaux]

see yall are so defensive man, this all started with my simple critique of the album, then all of you got all worked up, you guys asked for the crazy ramblings. to tel you the truth, i actually like most of the songs off of the album anyway. it was definitely ammusing to see all of you hop on this though

[Well_Respected_Man]

Good for you, now stop spamming. :thumb:

[manuscriptreplica]

alright. first thing. i wouldn't sell out and sign to a label like you probably would, because im into music for the sake of the art. YOU on the other hand are sitting here defending pop music no matter how youl ook at it. sure they've gone "more metallish", but all they did was rip oof other bands and change their pop sound to a new pop sound. there gay videos still play on mtv and are still loved by pubeescent preteen girls. as for making my own "epic" i dont neccesarily care how long the album is, its the song itself, which brings me to the other guys take on "quality over quantity". how can you fit quality into 3 minutes? simply by adding a half deent solo? i think not, the rest of the song is still power chords, scank drum beats and simple bass lines. . you both need to grow up and realize that this is pop music and poop by any other name is still poop.

Wow, so you're saying Slayer's Reign in Blood isn't quality? 28 minutes long, and known as one of the finest thrash efforts ever.

You lose.

[deveaux]

once again, you are bringing an amazing band like slayer into a discussion about pop music. ......dumb.

[SubtleDagger]

It's sad that all your comments reflect the fact that you care what the public thinks about this band, and you are clearly veering away from them because they are a radio-friendly band.

There's nothing wrong with pop music when it's done well.

[deveaux]

the fact that are radio friendly means nothing to me, some of my fav bands are radio friendly

[SubtleDagger]

there gay videos still play on mtv and are still loved by pubeescent preteen girls.

you both need to grow up and realize that this is pop music and poop by any other name is still poop.
You proved right here that your opinion is based on what other people think about the music. Pitiful.

[deveaux]

but im not speaking about music in general, this is a forum about sum 41

[SubtleDagger]

No, it's a thread about Sum 41. And you just said your opinion of Sum 41 is based on what other people think of them, which means you are leeching off of other people's opinions.

Sorry, kid, but you're done.

[deveaux]

i could care less about what other people think of them, its you all who care and is wh yyou are so defensive. you are calling me kid, but you have that fruit from sessmee street as your pic....flamer

[SubtleDagger]

I see you want a ban. That can be arranged.

[deveaux]

exactly what a flaming pop fan would say. thank you, score: 1 for me , 0 for you

[Iai]

Just do it, Subtle.

[EvIL_ToASTER_OVEN]

i could care less about what other people think of them, its you all who care and is wh yyou are so defensive. you are calling me kid, but you have that fruit from sessmee street as your pic....flamer
Are you serious?

[Arucard]

man this guy doesnt get banned and hes floaming a mod and i get banned for accidently posting in a thread someone else had bumped
oh well ill live
filaments review is up by the way go check it out
bought this album today, very enjoyable

[guitardude134]

Apart from the Linking Park similarities and some failures, this album is the best that Sum 41 has produced yet. They successfully pull out their mission to lash out punkish and metallish songs while at the same time stay true to their nature of writing simple but awesome songs. :D :D :D :) :evil:


*This is my first review (seriously). I hope you enjoy this album as much as I did.[/QUOTE]


Dude sorry but I dont think they have anything like Linkin Park. None of their stuff sounds like Linkin Park.


Linkin park is SEVERLEY overrated!!

[guitardude134]

the top part od my last raply was somebody else

[thecrazykid]

I don't know about you guys but when I think '90s pop rock I think Blink-182, Sum 41, and Green Day. Blink's new "mature" album is amazing - as with Green Day's. But when I heard Chuck off MTV, I was kinda dissapointed. Their lyrics have matured but the music sounds like Metallica rip off crap like everything else on the radio and I never liked Metallica for the most part anyway.

Are you calling Dookie immature? If so, I disagree. That was Green Day's best work. Also, I don't know how you get off by saying rip off crap. So what if they use some of the same riffs as Metallica, it's a free country (aside from the fact Sum 41 are Canadian). Once you become famous and rich off your little "original" work, you then can get off by calling Sum 41 and other bands crap and you will be respected because some people will actually think you are better than them. Until then, stop dissing on those who got there first.

By the way, Chuck rules. I just got it today.

[manuscriptreplica]

I fail to see the Metallica influences in The Bitter End, except maybe for the solos.

[Win A Rabbit]

you are calling me kid, but you have that fruit from sessmee street as your pic....flamer
thats just weak when you have to go after someones avatar because theyve proved you wrong many many times.

btw... good job subtle

[Amp'd]

My favorite songs are No reason, bitter end, 88 and noots

[fenderstratboy2]

IMO this is the best Sum 41 album

[weasel8904]

I got this cd on Saturday and I love it! I personally think it's Sum 41's best album to date. My favourite songs would be, No Reason, The Bitter End, Pieces and 88.


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[Desert Dweller]

The problem with Pop-Punk....

Sum41 (and other bands of theri ilk) are not exactly my cup of tea.

Whenever i hear something in that style i compare it to three releases. "Milo Goes To College" by the Descendants , "Contemporary World" by the Asexuals, and "Dookie" by Green Day. What the hell, i'll add early stuff from the Dickies and Mad Parade to that list as well even though they aren't really pop punk.

About 98% of the Pop Punk bands i've heard since "Dookie" was released don't even come close, and none are fit to be compared with the Descendents.

To say that most are formula driven and derivative is an understatement.

I've heard Sum41 on more than a few occasions and have never been impressed a bit. If i was to give anyone advice it would be to ignore anything that could limit what you want to do. Forget about MTV or commercial radio, you don't need that.

Look at a band like Husker Du in the 80s. They did everything THEIR way and by the time they got to the majors could pretty much dictate what they would do. Metallica was the same.

If anyone here is a collector i'd suggest you do a little research and find out about the root bands in pop-punk (BTW. There was no such solid term, it was ALL punk rock. Pop or melodic or whatever was a description not a genre).


If you do, you wouldn't be surprised at the lack luster sounds of today.

[SubtleDagger]

Surprisingly, the reason I am really starting to enjoy this band is because they have matured. They are no longer the awful pop punk facade they were years ago. They've grown into their own thing, with their own influences and sound, and they're so much better that way.

Overall, I'm not a huge fan, but when their songs come on the radio, I listen.

[axeslinga_32]

can anyone agree with me in saying that ever since STLI sum 41's production has been crap? its all so over-produced and digital sounding, it totally ruins it for me. and the bitter end is a blaitant rip off of battery, the structure is almost exact

[AmericanWeiner]

Aaah some one send me Half Hour of Power! 0=)

Just kidding...I'm not a music pirate... :upset:

*Doorbell*
"CRAP!"

Anyhoo, I was expecting this album to be a little bit more metallish (I really wish they'd do just one majorly overblown metal album, maybe as Pain for Pleasure or something), but from what I've heard, it doesn't sound too bad.

...I'm serious...if anyone wants to send me HHP, it'd make my day. :thumb:

[Arucard]

amazing cd...

[chalengdboy]

I wanted to post my own thoughts, but i see everyone said everything I thought. Right away like some of you said the bitter end, i said METALLICA! anyways, yea fav. songs are the bitter end, no reason, open your eyes and 88. anyways great review :)

[TheBassicBassist]

this is one of the best cds ever. 88 RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's my new favorite song. those words are beautiful

Cause' I feel like a prisoner trapped inside this broken world
while I'm playing the victim again running in circles
to me its all the same and though nothings gonna change
still, I hope someday you have it all!!!!!!!

and then there's that guitar solo type thing near the middle, its amazing
its so touching, it makes me want to go throw pie at girl scouts, its just that good

[StoneHenge1]

Good album. Bought it yesterday.

[Jeff794]

We're all to Blame sounds very similar to a couple of System of a Down songs. the verse's guitar sounds like "Forest" and then the chorus is like "Chop Suey". friggin punk rockers

[Iai]

it makes me want to go throw pie at girl scouts, its just that good
Thanks for that insight.

[PoliticallyIncorrectMetalhead]

We're all to Blame sounds very similar to a couple of System of a Down songs. the verse's guitar sounds like "Forest" and then the chorus is like "Chop Suey". friggin punk rockers

Ya I noticed that. I actually like this cd.

[Society Sellout]

i rather hear the noise of my own arse than any pop music.

OMG YOU ARE SO B@D @$$ I CAN"T BELEIVE HOW HARDCORE YOU ARE!

BTW, I just got this album and am listening to it right now it's not to shabby, I like how they have explored diffrent sounds in this one.

[guitarded_chuck]

My name is Chuck.

Coincidence? No.

Anyway, to the point. I listened to this album, and it's another good effort from the Ajax band. I think I like Does This Look Infected? more, but I'm sure this one will grow on me. Sum41 is definitly one of my guilty pleasures.

[RIPJoeStrummer]

This is easily my least favourite record to date.

[desolate_life]

im a big fan of some of sum 41 stuff but am yet to buy the album. your review sounds ok so i think ill get it soon
thanx for that

[EZ!]

wow. i just listened to the album and im so... dissappointed. its not very good really. the other albums were wicked but this really isnt. and whats with the solos? theyre all the same - theyre repetative, they dont go anywhere. no feeling, no nothing. they should stick to what theyre good at

[PuNkRoCkPrInCeSs19]

alright. first thing. i wouldn't sell out and sign to a label like you probably would, because im into music for the sake of the art. YOU on the other hand are sitting here defending pop music no matter how youl ook at it. sure they've gone "more metallish", but all they did was rip oof other bands and change their pop sound to a new pop sound. there gay videos still play on mtv and are still loved by pubeescent preteen girls. as for making my own "epic" i dont neccesarily care how long the album is, its the song itself, which brings me to the other guys take on "quality over quantity". how can you fit quality into 3 minutes? simply by adding a half deent solo? i think not, the rest of the song is still power chords, scank drum beats and simple bass lines. . you both need to grow up and realize that this is pop music and poop by any other name is still poop.

**** you! why do people always stereotype against girls??? i hate it! u have no idea how pissed off i get when ppl discriminate! just coz im a girl doesnt mean the only reason i like a band is coz its on mtv...i dont even watch mtv! i cant stand it! and i know many other girls who feel the same way. i dont like bands for their image, i like a band for their music. I like sum 41, ramones, green day, new found glory, metallica, jimi hendrix, sex pistols, operation ivy, nofx, the clash, black flag, RATM....etc...and guess what? IM A GIRL! and i've liked these bands for years....and i HATE simple plan, i HATE good charlotte...strongly dislike blink

[AmericanWeiner]

**** you! why do people always stereotype against girls??? i hate it! u have no idea how pissed off i get when ppl discriminate! just coz im a girl doesnt mean the only reason i like a band is coz its on mtv...i dont even watch mtv! i cant stand it! and i know many other girls who feel the same way. i dont like bands for their image, i like a band for their music. I like sum 41, ramones, green day, new found glory, metallica, jimi hendrix, sex pistols, operation ivy, nofx, the clash, black flag, RATM....etc...and guess what? IM A GIRL! and i've liked these bands for years....and i HATE simple plan, i HATE good charlotte...strongly dislike blink

Hush you Feminazi.

[Kif]

I don't dislike this album, but it was a MAJOR disappointment. Does This Look Infected ranks as one of my favourite pop-punk records ever, and I was very excited when I heard about their "metal" side. Sadly when I bought this it seemed to be a rip-off of everything (I'm sure everyone here has heard "The Bitter End is a complete rip-off of Battery!" at least once?). That isn't a bad thing though, as they pull it off well.

I was so impressed with lots of the songs on this album, but the rest didn't really feel like Sum 41 to me. I know they change their style quite a lot from record to record, but this wasn't Sum 41. It's like someone had said "OK, cover your favourite songs, slap on some new lyrics and call it your own?"

But like I said, it has some amazing songs on here. Typical DTLI style songs like No Reason, Open Your Eyes and Welcome To Hell are up there as favourites, and Angels With Dirty Faces is ranked as one of my top Sum 41 songs now. But this is 15 songs on the UK version, half of which don't have the Sum 41 energy the rest had

3/5 from me, as it has some decent tracks on which you have to listen to. But sadly, most of which are cleverly and well executed "covers" of songs we all know and love

[some"farty"one]

Me too, I was disapointed by Chuck after a couple of listens. I'll review it a bit.

The intro is cool but it could have been the intro of "No Reason" so it would have only 12 songs, then "No reason" is a medley of all killer no filler's songs and some more metalish sound ,some linkin park lyrics at begining... Then "We,re all to blame" which is the first single and harder than order songs if we except the chorus which is very popy. After there's a song that i realy like called "angels with dirty faces", the begining is not real good but after the first time the chorus comes the song is very rocky with fast drums. Then the song "some say" which is a slow song and reminds us of "handle this" from AKNF album ,realy the same chorus so its not real good in my opinion to repeat the same thing. Then the best song and the fastest of the album "the bitter end" even if the chorus is about the same thing as Battery of the album "Master of puppets"(best album ever) By Metallica. The solo after the first chorus exactly at same place than "Battery". We see that dave got skills at guitar at least. Then "open your eyes" which is not so bad but not so great with strange guitar sound that makes me think of ska songs. Then an other slow song (ew i hate slow songs) "slipping away" not so great ... acoustic guitar all the way and violons too bah I skip it...9th song called "I'm not the one" it's like a rap song with guitar in background instead of a dumb beat. not so great again. "Welcome to hell" is a short fast song that i realy like ,there's a bass solo of 3 seconds (woohoo cone first time we notice your skills in 4 albums)...Then "pieces" which is an ather slow song but so catchy that I like it a bit, not so bad yeah. "there's no solution" is a linkin park song in my opinion and i don't like linkin park so it's just an other boring song..."88" is a great song in 3 parts i'd say. The begining like someone said is just like Billy talent's song called "The Ex" and is a popy begining since we reach the meatalish part with a solo that reminds me the solo of again a "master of puppets" song called "leper messiah" then it becomes slow with some guitar amp feedback and piano and it ends like that. It's the one of the best song on the album with its originality.

I'd say if you like a mix of Metallica ,linkin park, old sum41 and slow songs you'll like this album but if like me you like fast songs you should like Does this look infected? much better.

[CO&CAbasser14]

I thought the album was alright. But i think that "half hour of power" was their best album, I would still give this album a 3.5/5

[thirdeyeblindislit]

Great Review! :thumb: I loved this CD, but I really dont think that it's their best one. My favorite song on here though, is pictures of me.